God I hope they don't fly if there's ANY bad weather, and get the best airlines/pilots for these flights. Aside from the obvious tragedy it would be for both sides if the plane went down... it would make SO MANY people who were unsure about the shape of the earth, FULLY convinced that the earth was flat. I'm like terrified thinking about that possibility.
As someone who worked an electrician job in Antarctica in the early 90's, do yourself a favor and google wind speeds for the location you're going to. A moderate breeze, which is basically every day when the sun is up (and that will be all of them while you're there) can cut right through your headgear and freeze your face. And since you're going to be out with a camera... plan accordingly!
@@mikejh6551 Absolutely. I'd also be concerned about things like the mechanical bits on a lens might freeze, or plastic housings could get so cold they'd become brittle.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee Yeah, I wouldn't bring the cheap plastic. And as an electrician, I'd advise a wind screen for your electronics. Everything I worked on down there that had to be outside all the time was gel packed to protect the circuitry. A transistor that heats up and then cools rapidly is going to fail after a while... hopefully your gear will last a few days. Check the specs, and when in doubt bring two.
Even if the trip never ended up happening, this whole thing has been vastly interesting to me from a standpoint of psychology. And it fits right in with every time I've given a conspiracy theorist a chance to prove/disprove their theory, they always back out. It's fascinating to me how they proclaim to believe things, but it turns out they don't usually believe them enough to actually put their beliefs to the test. Which makes me wonder why they profess these things to begin with.
These conspiracy theorist types usually lack the intellectual honesty and humility to admit that they are wrong when shown that they're wrong. The sunk-cost fallacy comes into play since these people invested so much time and effort into a false belief. It would be very painful for them to admit themselves they've been living a lie all along, and to then try to walk away from it all.
Nathan Oakley: "You can't go to Antarctica! NOBODY CAN!!!' Also Nathan Oakley: "I knew someone who worked in Antarctica and he didn't see the 24hr sun!' Oakley's followers: "YoU TeLL 'Em!'
Nathan is one of the Flat Earthers in MY opinion is 100% POE, he KNOWS Earth is globe and he is running as scam to make loads of money, just like DITRH.
I've had that "once in a lifetime" experience twice now (and hope to make it for a third 😃) Yes, it's cold, but it's manageable. If the Sun's out and the wind drops, you can get pretty warm if you're doing any physical activity. My farthest south was just over 65° so I didn't quite see a 24 hour Sun, but it did circle right around to the south and barely dipped below the horizon for just over an hour. That's still impossible on a flat Earth, no matter how much they fudge their "models". The packing list looks good, but to add my recommendations : - Really good boots. My first trip I had fairly thin, cheap ones and my feet were freezing most of the time, even with the layered socks (see below). - Thin liner gloves and socks to layer up your hands and feet. You can keep the gloves on and still work cameras, stopping your fingers freezing. - Thin balaclavas to go under your headgear. Again layering to trap heat. - Factor 50+ sunblock for any exposed skin. The UV is intense down there. - Extra batteries. They lose charge really quickly in those conditions, and you definitely don't want to run out at a vital moment. - A small cloth drawstring bag to put spare batteries in and stuff down your jumper. Your body heat will keep them warm and stop the charge dropping. - Practice setting up (and taking apart) your kit a few times before you go, so you have a good idea how long it takes and what you'll need. Then double that time to account for the conditions. Hope that helps. The main thing to do though is just enjoy the experience. It's a unique place to visit, so make the most of it. I'll be looking forward to the pics and video when you get back.
I went out snowshoeing during a blizzard in northern Minnesota, 30 mph winds, -20 deg. F. air temp. It was out in the open, on top of 3-4 feet of crusty snow, 30-50 feet visibility. It was so fun because I kept thinking, "Nothing else is out here." I was wearing great boots, two layers of long underwear, thick overalls, two pairs of gloves, tight balaclava, thick balaclava, and snowboarding goggles. I did manage to work my camera for about ten minutes before the battery had to be taken out and tucked into my pants. I would love to go to Antarctica.
@@420raulduke And the conditions won't be that harsh on the trip, if for no other reason than that the sun will be up constantly. Average temps will be 30-60° F warmer
Antarctica is a public place, for all intents and purposes. Except in your room/bunk, changing room, and bathroom, you have no expectations of privacy. Especially since everything you're doing in this particular situation is on company property. There is literally ZERO expectation of privacy.
They need to do better than "a second sun" or "a sun simulator". You'd notice if there were two suns in the sky at some point, and a second sun orbiting just one point in Antarctica is pretty dumb.
What If made a video a few weeks ago answering the question what it would take for us on Earth to change the color of the Moon by pointing laser pointers to it. The final answer was that once you could make the Moon look red, you had evaporated our atmosphere. So idea of a having a “Sun projector is just …. 🤯”.
They already pre-emprively moved the goal post. They dropped all of their previous “you can’t go to Antarctica or the military will stop you” like they never once said it (they said it constantly) and are even going so far as to claim there are multiple suns and only this second previous never once seen before sun will responsible for 24 daylight…
@@patu8010 Do they? They've never produced a plausible model for normal sunsets. It's clear accuracy isn't required of their claims. They rely more on being opposed than making any sense.
@Dave regarding camera gear in low temps, I'm an amateur astronomer that has shot in -30C (-45 windchill), the gear (tracking mounts, focusers, etc) holds up fine. CCD and CMOS cameras prefer being cold. Lenses, however, do not. You will need Dew Heaters (Lens warmers that wrap around the lens cell for those that don't know) best powered by a AC power supply. As well the camera(s) should be powered by AC power supplies as batteries dramatically lose capacity in extreme cold. If you must use batteries, bring several and keep them warm until ready for use And it's always a good idea to try to get the cameras and lenses near ambient before starting the shoot. Like don't take your rig out of your 12C tent and immediately set it up outside in -25C.
@@dapje2002 I'm also curious for this reason. It's going to be very tough to keep lenses from fogging/frosting over in low temps. Acclimating the gear before shooting helps but not much. --30C with a well acclimated scope and dew heaters cranked I have maybe 8 hours imaging time before losing the battle. Of course, I've never imaged in Antarctica and maybe the air is dry enough there it won't be a problem but he's still going to need several batteries to shoot a full 24 hours.
@@brucepeddle1672 It will be the first day of summer in Antarctica, it should not be anywhere near that cold. Averages say it should be closer to -5 or even 0C
@@ctsean That will certainly be much more comfortable but if the temps drop to the dew point your lenses are going to fog up without dew heaters or some other means to keep them clear. I've seen folks use battery powered heat guns to periodically clear the lens but I'm sure Dave is wanting to pack as light as possible for essential gear. Again, AC power would be absolutely ideal but if it is not possible he's going to have to get creative. I wish him the best of luck and hope he does get some good data.
I work at a primary school and it would be so cool if someone involved in this experiment could make some videos that are more accessible to a younger audience! It would be fun if classes could keep up with what's going on.
@@beckydoesit9331In the video he said himself that his trip is fully paid for, and that if he backed out now, he would have to reimburse the 35k spent on him going
I'm a geologist and had a colleague that did research in Antarctica. She said it was amazing and that yes, the sun didn't set. She also had problems with the transport issues - they were using LC-130's paid for by the research institution. Enjoy - Rusty will miss you.
@@Peter-y7j1v Yes shit, because it came in reference to losing track of time and being able to work 24 hours a day. She also said it was difficult to sleep, even though they were exhausted from drilling cores all day.
I would think photographing a wedding would be more stressful than TFE. After all, people have failed to show for their weddings, but the sun has never failed to show
@@rjswas [belatedly] However, if TFE is totally greyed out, you know the flerfers will claim it's proof that TFE failed and the flerf is true. It doesn't matter if they clearly had daylight behind the clouds continuously for multiple days.
Batteries do not like the cold. Wear on an inner pocket a power pack so your body keeps it warm. When I went to iceland my Beaulieu R16 suffered till I wired up an external battery pack. The film compartment I slipped over a large block of foam . It looked as I was carrying a pillow. Good luck.
I think I might have to get an extra battery for my camera before we go in March. Expecting temps of about -1 to -6 and I think I'll be shooting a lot of footage each day.
Most often religious bias perverts facts, observation, science and reason. Reason takes into account evidence and bias, weighing each against all evidence. Does a flat earth person ever question flat earth or does the fear of burning in hell or pissing off a god preclude questioning? Courage reveals reality.
Yep. The real experiment will be watching the mental pretzels the Flat Earthers do to deny the obvious truth when they're shown the midnight sun. IOW, TFE isn't actually a science experiment, but a psychological one.
@@tomlong3362 Not really. They are not clinically ill but exhibit social-psychological processes that lead them down their specific path, one which needs to be investigated to be fully understood.
@@tomlong3362 they never question (since now the meta is not giving predictions whatsoever), but it seems they have no fear of hell or any repercussion, since they lie knowingly and act horribly most of the time (and follow/watch visible horrible people). So for me its only narcissism and lake of life meaning / family / friends.
My son spent several years working in Antarctica, both at Palmer, and also at the South Pole, including a few South Pole winters. He was also a photographer, and prior to one of his trips, he built a few insulated and heated cases that he could use to hold his gear during hours of time-lapse photography.
LCD screens do not like cold. I suggest you put some critical kit in a sealed plastic bag in the freezer until it gets cold then turn it on still within the bag and see if the screen is good and the focus motor (if you have one) works. The reason to keep it in the bag is to prevent condensation which can be a real problem when moving from cold to warm. My Antarctic days were long ago in the era of film cameras and I used fully manual cameras without screens to make them cold proof - but this was winter so they had to cope with -50C. Fiddly controls are obviously tricky with thick gloves and touch screens are totally impossible
They already know what they're going to see. There's no way they haven't seen footage already. They're just working on excuses for what they know they are going to witness.
@@peronkop They already are. Have you noticed they've all lately been on about how no one has been to the moon? Elon might fix that though. Moon tourism would probably give him a decent income boost and strategic base for a Mars mission.
I know three pilot colleges that have operated for BAS at one time or another, apart from the obvious proof of the globe, what you will see is utterly breathtaking and otherworldly scenery, when I used to chat to my friends about the time they spent there you could see their eyes glaze over as the memories came and words like “surreal, unbelievable, unearthly landscape”, one of these guys an older chap who retired some time ago was one of the first pilots employed by the British Antarctic Survey said that after 7 seasons with the BAS he couldn’t believe he was seeing it for the last time. I envy you this opportunity.
My last few weeks in Antarctica with BAS was on the BEDLAM (Bransfield Endurance Depot LAying prograM) flying fuel drums out to Berkner Island, I was the copilot flying with Dave Leatherdale (maybe your older chap?). I was flown from Bransfield to the land a few times in the helecopters from HMS Endurance stuffed into a immersion suit far too small for me but the view out of the open door of the sea ice just a few meters below was great. On land the BAS people set up our old fashioned looking orange tents in the normal way and got on with things but some of the work was done by Endurance marines who dug a trench and put their tent in it with the door facing downwind - I should point out that this place had constant katabatic winds blowing out towards the sea. Us BAS people told them that this would not work but the tough marines ignored the civvies and then we watched as they dug the tent out as the spindrift constantly buried it and blocked the door. They never admitted defeat and just kept digging for the entire week. Put the door on a side not upwind or downwind - this was antarctic camping lesson 1 and it is vital. Happy memories (and the sun does not set in summer).
Just look at it as a much deserved vacation to a really unique place that also gives you the chance to do unique observational science. Enjoy your vacation and make sure you pack some warm clothes.
Big props to the former flat Earther coming to his senses. That is such an incredibly rare thing because of how unbelievably stubborn and prideful flat Earthers are, so very few of them EVER admit they were deceived. Hopefully TFE will convert more to defeat the grift. I applaud and welcome anyone actually able to step out of the flerf cult into the light of truth.
Good point about there being an obstuction - something like that could have been enough for people to seed doubt about what happened when the Sun was occluded by the mountains. Anyway, all the best for the trip, Dave, and I hope you can take some time to just enjoy the unusual destination.
Everything you say is correct. I took this trip last December and we sat in Punta Arenas for a week waiting for the weather to allow us to travel. Hope you got refundable flights, we had to change ours three times due to the schedule changes. Final tip - sunscreen, sunscreen, sunscreen! It's an amazing experience though, so enjoy it!
I have seen the midnight sun in northern Alaska back in 1976 and it was a surreal experience. It was during a full moon phase so the sun dipped down near the horizon and was traveling quite rapidly behind the Brooks range mountains while on the opposite horizon the moon rose and was traveling horizontally along the opposite horizon. Of course there were no trees up in the permafrost zone so from the hilltop we were standing on you could see the horizon 360 degrees in all directions and we felt like we were on a alien planet.
You think TFE has logistics problems, I'm with Sun Simulator Co., and you can't imagine how much effort's gone into transporting the Simulator, setting it up, and testing it. We could never have done it without the cooperation of the Powers That Be.
@@greenflagracing7067 You should ask the flerfs to lend you their size changing and lampshade tech so they can make the titchy simulator look like the real thing.
What gear to bring on this Antarctic trip? In the 2019 film, Amundsen, Arctic explorer Roald Amundsen had some good suggestions to Robert Scott's 1911 Antarctic expedition: - Wear arctic wolf fur clothing as that is best for extreme cold and removing moisture from you instead of Scott's cotton parkas that got wet easily and took long to dry out. - Use Greenland sled dogs (he had 52) as they are the best and they will eat fellow dogs fed to them, but Scott used 3 automotive tractors (motor sledges) designed in 1909 that quickly broke down, his 19 Siberian ponies quickly died, and he only had a small pack of sled dogs remaining until they died and the explorers had to drag their sleds slowly to their exhaustion. - Start as early as you can and build supply bases as far as you can, but Scott started later, his progress was slower, and his expedition died within 11 miles of a supply depot on the journey back when they arrived at the South Pole to see Roald's Norwegian flag planted there nearly a month before.
The tipp for clothing is nice, but dogs? No, they have their equipment at the base, it would be unnessecary to bring dogs with you (not to mention the food etc). He is mainly talking about the gear in terms of camera equipment to shield the sensitive equipment from the cold.
@@bass-dc9175 Yes, I just wanted to compare with the 1912 race to the South Pole between the Norwegians and the British. The Norwegians started 11 days before Scott at a base 96 km (52 NM) closer to the South Pole than Scott's base. Amundsen made a round-trip of approx. 3440 km (1857 NM) and returned before winter again arrived with no casualties. Scott's expedition suffered terrible delays with the motor sledges breaking down, the ponies and dogs dying, they had to pull their sleds by skiing, and they were delayed so badly that they were trapped in a winter blizzard 18 km (11 Nm) short of One Ton Depot at 79degrees 29' S where they all died.
You're going to do great, Dave. I can't wait to see the footage. I am extremely excited for you and will be experiencing it vicariously through you. Good luck and Godspeed?!
test your gear for cold temperature. I had problems with my phone stop working due to the cold and that was while -10°C doing deliveries on a bicycle with my phone out for maps. so check that your batteries can deal with a little cold, or find ways to keep them warm. just protection from wind chill helps a lot
On your TFE trip, I recommend taking a small globe and a flat earth map, such as the Gleason map. While obsverving the sun, get the group to plot the Sun's path on the globe and the map. The flat earthers will have to reconcile why what you observe while there does not line up with the concepts of their model. They may say that they have no model, but the fact that they claim the earth is flat IS a model and they will have to square the celestial mechanics of it with what you observe.
One thing to bear in mind for TFE observation is that on a flat Earth not only is a 24-hour daylight impossible beyond the Antarctic circle in the southern summer, but the sun's circuit would always be in front of you (because the sun's southernmost circuit would be along the Tropic of Capricorn at the solstice, and therefore anywhere south of the Tropic of Capricorn is outside that circle). Which means that if you pick a direction (i.e. a meridian - not just "north") then if the sun goes behind you as you face north along that meridian, then the Earth simply cannot be flat.
@@Yepbutno-yl5bx "I'm a mechanical engineer by degree" "I am a trained media designer" "I never attended any university" "Aircraft wings cannot structurally hold fuel" "I am german" "Perspective makes things disappear bottom first"
@@bigtbongosbarbarakapernic Ironic that the one slinging bot accusations just copied and pasted the same comment three times and will probably copy and paste it a fourth time in response to this comment.
@@AM-rd9pu Here, I'll do it for him. "good lord I am one hypersensitive stooge bot." Dang it, my cut and pasting needs work! And just what is a hypersensitive stooge bot anyways? Is it one of the 5 stooges?
I’m glad you are going. You are very calm and well suited to a focused well thought out execution. You may not be perfect but you are very good. Stay the course my good man!
I won't - there are enough dim-witted people who will still follow him. He offers more nonsense than just FE, so he will come up with something else to scam his followers.
I couldn't give a monkey's about the inevitable denial from the flat earth larpers, but I am looking forward to hopefully seeing the images Dave takes whilst there. Having photos of Antarctica in your portfolio can never be a bad thing. As far as any worthwhile entertainment the larpers are going to provide, that's only going to consist of turning on each other like a pack of rabid dogs (conmen trying to protect their grift in other words), much to our amusement.
protect the grift lol . I ask them just to livestream walking away from a large tower and film beyond its possible viewing point . i personally believe were stationary** and probably a ball but i like some flerf videos
@@TheCraigy83 Given your grammar and spelling, it's no surprise you think we're 'stationary' & you 'like' some flerf videos. How you think that's any less ridiculous than their fantasy is beyond me.
@@leftpastsaturn67 I have Autism i went to 9 schools in total my writing is clearly low hanging fruit for everyone to see , you're only impressing yourself . I like the science tests like lasers over the lakes and similar things .
@@TheCraigy83 Funny how so many of you claim to have some kind of 'challenge'... I'm not out to impress anyone kid, I'm mocking you for saying something just as stupid and dishonest as the very people you were mocking.
I love your videos. So well constructed and presented. So open and clear about everything. Good luck, we have every faith in you for your trip and the results you will publish!
I'm so excited for your trip not because of absurd reason of flat earth but for its beautiful sky since I'm an amateur astronomer. I wish I could help you in person since I'm electrical engineer, but in regards for power, you can take a small UPS and portable solar panels if it's possible. Ugreen and Allpower have nice equipment.
ALE are provisioning a generator for them he said although yeah I guess a battery backup couldn't hurt just in case it needs to be restarted unexpectedly for any reason.
Them running away from their own model, trying to talk each other into not going, and then when that didn't work, turning on each other is all basically what you would have expected them to do.
TFE is a major issue for flatties because they have dug their own grave since Samuel Rowbotham declared in Zetetic Astronomy that the days down South are always short and start and stop abruptly. It had seemed that every flattie had gone along with that and gone even further. For example, Alexander Gleason included a December solstice diagram showing no Sun at all in Antarctica. When the RUclips channel YouFishTV put up their 2018 video of being turned around by Warship Hobart, flatties declared it evidence of the military blocking access to Antarctica. Flatties have made claim after claim trying to show people aren't allowed to go to Antarctica because people would find out the truth. If TFE is not a psy-op that means globers are not just deluded sheeple. It means there is a commercial organisation running trips to Antarctica. It means flatties have been spewing fake news about Antarctica for over 100 years and just accepting that BS as truth without any checking. As Will Duffy failed to live down to the "he is a NASA shill fronting a NASA psy-op" assumption, Antarctica not being what was claimed by flatties became more and more real. Jeranism was ramming the issue down flatties throats. Eric Dubay raising the 1904 Zetetic Astronomy by Lady Blount and Albert Smith didn't help the situation as it stated the 24 hour Antarctic Sun was credible but the authors still believed the Earth is flat regardless. Eric compounded that by saying he now thought it was irrelevant whether there was a 24 hour Sun and did not adjust his 200 proofs. I hope the reactions of the big flat Earthers has made obvious to the flat Earth community that their earlier absolute confidence was baseless BS. I think this crisis of faith will shake out even more low investment flatties, and leave a core of hard core flatties who congratulate themselves on surviving yet another round of fake flatties run by THEM(tm). I predict the hard core flatties remaining will declare TFE is proof the Earth is flat as it shows the enormous power of THEM(tm) and the lengths they will go to, to pretend the Earth is a globe. Thus even more than before TFE, anything that says the Earth is a globe is clearly the work of THEM(tm) and should be automatically ignored as fake because it has to be.
I don't think there are any reactions the cult leaders could give that would matter to their drooling followers. Plenty of them have debunked themselves in spectacular fashion repeatedly, yet it doesn't matter to their flock, or they're too stupid to notice, and once the excuses have been made (however contradictory or ridiculous) the flock is happy.
Hey I can understand your reticence concerning TFE Iv checked out the ALE website and am kicking myself for not having the funds.Although I’m NO FE,if I was So delusional I would be VERY keen to prove my childish understanding.Have An Amazing Time. onelove
Doubtful, but if anyone it would be Austin. Jeran was at least willing to stand by the fact that a 24-hour sun debunks the flat earth model he believes so strongly in, in face of the entire flat earth community pre-emptively it throwing him under the bus, so I think he’ll honor the results since he’s confident that’s not what will happen. Plus Lizbeth seemed beyond excited to go do this experiment, typically not the emotional investment of someone planning on an intel destruction mission.
Yeah, luckily enough the two flat earthers going seem like good folks. That guy who rants in his car is someone I would worry about. What's his name? "Demonstrable Realist" guy
How is seeing a 24 hour sun in Antarctica significantly different from seeing a 23 hour sun in Puerto Williams or even the longest day at the southern tip of NZ? Doesn't summer in the southern hemisphere by definition break the model?
Hi Dave. You are most definitely the best choice for this trip. However, I understand you anxiety. I hope you have time to step back and appreciate this fantastic trip and have some fun. Wishing you all the best.
The deal-killer for me would be the flight times. I’m a recently retired employee of a major U.S. airline. My use of flight benefits was very infrequent. I would fly if I needed some place to be, or had people to see. I’m good for about four and a half hours on an airplane, and then I need to be off it. I told my coworkers that I would get to Hawaii when they finished the bridge. Thankfully, I’ve never doubted the shape of the earth. It kills me how little it takes for people to buy into nonsense. It’s killing me right now, to keep my comment free of politics!
if everyone reports him multiple times, i think youtube does eventually hand down temporary bans. but in fact, the channel owner has a responsibility here, to remove the worst scum off his channel, and he won't do that. finally, many channel owners need to get together and COLLECTIVELY require youtube to eliminate the worst garbage. of course, that will never happen, because the very CONCEPT of collective action sends people running for the hills. ultimately, government intervention may be required, and i myself am just about pissed off enough at the crooks and disinformation spammers to try something along those lines.
My guess is he's trying to get banned so he can whine and cry about censorship and how "the truth" is being suppressed. Don't take the bait, just ignore the idiot.
@@victorfinberg8595 There is clearly a group of us who respond to his infantile nonsense, and collectively agreeing to ignore him entirely would starve him of the oxygen of attention he craves. But the chances of this happening are indeed slim. I can see why Dave lets him spam meaningless tripe as it boosts his channel engagement and exposure. His posts might be annoying in the same way that a persistent mosquito would be, but in the end it's all in Dave's favour so I imagine he simply ignores it. Perhaps we all should too?
Thankfully the funder of the trip is very wealthy and can get some contract lawyers to ensure those guys don’t fake a tragedy or sickness to get out of refunding him. God I hope this trip goes without a hitch
@@Robisquick Just like every other flerfs promise to pay. Witsit will be "unable" to secure a travel visa. Since Witsit can't go, Jeranism will back out. The Golden Ticket winner will lose her passport at the last minute.
@@robertcatuara5118 I hate flying, cold weather, and have watched too many Missing 411 videos but if I won that trip to Antartica I would definitely do my ever-loving best to go lol. Even if I had to pretend to be a flerf.
Hi Dave. Thank you and really proud of you going and have an amazing time. Looking forward to hearing about your adventures when you get back. All the best. Robbie @ Broadgreen
Hey: Quick question for the flerfers who show up here: How come every picture of the flat earth is either obvious Photoshop or fake CGI? How come there are no photos, video, or other sensor data of the edge/underside of the supposedly flat Earth? Also, why do you flerfers refuse to even acknowledge my question above?
@@zebo-the-fat Right? It would be an incredible image, and something that would instantly prove that the Earth is actually flat. Yet no such images exist.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee the circumference of the earth is around 25,000 miles, so that's the length of the "ice wall" in the flat earth model. They believe that the ice wall is guarded to prevent anyone from seeing it (or peering over the edge, presumably). But that would mean that to guard the ice wall, there would be at least 1 guard every mile - let's call it 2 guards per mile, to stop them getting bored/lonely. That's 50,000 (or more) guards to prevent us peering over the edge. Who do they work for? Why has no-one ever seen one of these guards? Personally I think it would be pretty fucking easy to sneak past the guard line if they are that spaced out. Yet still no-one has been to the edge. Or perhaps they have and they got caught on the way back and they are all in the NASA section of Guantanamo Bay...
@@PeterMoore66 The US has the most porous borders in the world, but somehow we're expected to believe that "they" have so perfectly guarded the ice wall that no attempt to even approach it will be interdicted.
If I would add any advice (and apologies if already mentioned) - is when you bring something back into the tent cold or an environment that has heat and likely humidity, shove the item in a sealed plastic bag to stop condensation or icing for a while - allowing them to heat up in the tent this way protects the electronics/lenses. This is typically more for colder temps than likely at Union in the summer where it can be more than pleasant when the sun shines and the heat isnt taken away from a chilling breeze. Enjoy your trip - its a stunning and surreal place -- I was there for the first time over 45 years ago.
Couldn't you return via Tromsø in Norway too. The polar night begin as the sun sets now in late November. You can confirm a 24h night in the same trip, with normal comfort like hotels and restaurants and a modetn airport.
Fifty years from now flat earthers will claim your trip to Antarctica was a hoax because you did not return to Antarctica and there are still no Starbucks and McDonalds there after those 50 years.
Fair play to you Dave for doing TFE. Nerves and uncertainty are completely understandable. I'd be bricking it, but then I don't like flying, or the cold. A trip to Antarctica is quite the expedition, especially when factoring in all the tech you'll be taking, but you've got this and I'm sure you'll have an incredible experience no matter what. Looking forward to your first vid after your return and hearing all about your adventure. Stay safe and have a great time of it. 😁
I think this has shown who the grifters are and who the true believers are in this flat earth nonsense. You can definitely tell which ones are only doing it for money now, and will say or do (or NOT do) just about anything to keep up the grift.
Dave is the better choice tho. He's got the know-how and tools to document everything. And he just mentioned it in the end, didn't think I was putting that much pressure on him
Okay, but wouldn’t it be _incredible_ if the sun actually DID set? You’d be on the very cutting edge of a new (if terrifying) scientific discovery that upends thousands of years of scientific understanding! No matter what happens, I’m confident you’re the best person for the job, will report back with integrity, and importantly I know you’ll have a great time! Good luck and stay safe Dave :)
That would be insane, and everyone who hasn’t directly seen it can only have a 99.9999% certainty it will at most, but yeah it’s absolutely going to stay up. Theres a sliver of doubt as small as the sliver for the existence of the tooth fairy, that the sun would set. What’s your certainty level?
@ Like you I’m 99.9999% certain, but yes indeed if we have any respect for the scientific method we must be open to (and even excited by) the prospect of being wrong. At the end of the day, our heliocentric globe model of the earth is exactly that: a model. A fantastic model to be sure, because it allows us to make highly accurate predictions, but every model can be proven wrong. Perhaps sadly, I’m afraid Dave’s observations will just be a sun going around the horizon and never setting 🤣
@ I’ll add - This is something I really like about Dave: If by some bananas chance the sun DOES set, I fully trust him to report it and show us, which makes him an excellent scientist in my opinion.
"At the poles, the sun only rises and falls once a year. This one sunrise and sunset are known as the summer and winter equinox. During the polar spring, the sun rises and continues to do so until it reaches its peak in summer."
I think you guys are all going to have a great time when you're there and I'm super excited for you! Also, for your camera equipment, have you considered buying one race-motorcycle tyre-warmer? You could wrap up your camera stuff in dry blankets and wrap a tyre warmer around it. It's easy to fold and travel with, lightweight and quite energy efficient nowadays while holding at around 85 degrees C.😎
This is a genuine question: why have several flat earth proponents refused to go on this trip? They went out of their way to find excuses not to go. Especially the British feller who constantly mentions the taste of his testicles. If you're a flat earth person, tell me. All in good faith, please.
One answer is grift, the other is debilitating paranoia. I would not be surprised if having a healthy interpersonal relationship is difficult for a flat earther.
@12pentaborane That's fascinating. So, why do you think flat earthers attack regular people (non-governmental folks) for not believing flat earth? It seems FE RUclipsrs and their audience go out of their way to attack everyone. Especially in the comment sections of benign videos.
I know I'll be on the edge of my seat F5'ing on updates from y'all. The FLERF flurry of flaccid debunk attempts will be a mild midway side show carnival attraction for me, but I'm 99.999% going to be watching for the REAL LIFE adventure you're about to have. I hope you have an awesome time, Dave! FLERFers gonna FLERF. Don't let it drain any of the joy out of the experience, bud. That is an AWESOME life experience. Best wishes.
I haven't heard of that being a problem. I've been twice, and also gone to Greenland and Svalbard, and never encountered it. The main problem is the battery life, as they lose charge really quickly when it's that cold. Multiple spares, and keeping them warm under your clothes is essential.
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Don’t forget to bring sardines to bribe the penguins guarding the ice wall.
And donuts for the human Ice Wall cops!
And bring a cat so it can knock things off the edge!
Remember, the Penguin to the East only tells lies.
Good idea.
God I hope they don't fly if there's ANY bad weather, and get the best airlines/pilots for these flights. Aside from the obvious tragedy it would be for both sides if the plane went down... it would make SO MANY people who were unsure about the shape of the earth, FULLY convinced that the earth was flat. I'm like terrified thinking about that possibility.
As someone who worked an electrician job in Antarctica in the early 90's, do yourself a favor and google wind speeds for the location you're going to. A moderate breeze, which is basically every day when the sun is up (and that will be all of them while you're there) can cut right through your headgear and freeze your face. And since you're going to be out with a camera... plan accordingly!
What kind of precautions are needed to be able to run a digital video camera/microphones and other electronic equipment in conditions like that?
@@Green_Tea_Coffee Well batteries hate the cold, so keeping them warm enough to work may be a problem.
@@mikejh6551 Absolutely. I'd also be concerned about things like the mechanical bits on a lens might freeze, or plastic housings could get so cold they'd become brittle.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee Yeah, I wouldn't bring the cheap plastic. And as an electrician, I'd advise a wind screen for your electronics. Everything I worked on down there that had to be outside all the time was gel packed to protect the circuitry. A transistor that heats up and then cools rapidly is going to fail after a while... hopefully your gear will last a few days. Check the specs, and when in doubt bring two.
Are you completely serious, OP? There's videos of Antarctica workers without any headgear at all.
Even if the trip never ended up happening, this whole thing has been vastly interesting to me from a standpoint of psychology. And it fits right in with every time I've given a conspiracy theorist a chance to prove/disprove their theory, they always back out. It's fascinating to me how they proclaim to believe things, but it turns out they don't usually believe them enough to actually put their beliefs to the test. Which makes me wonder why they profess these things to begin with.
Because you don’t listen to what we tell you so why tell you
Because it’s an attention seeking mechanism so they’ll never admit the earth is flat as their scheme will be compromised
These conspiracy theorist types usually lack the intellectual honesty and humility to admit that they are wrong when shown that they're wrong. The sunk-cost fallacy comes into play since these people invested so much time and effort into a false belief. It would be very painful for them to admit themselves they've been living a lie all along, and to then try to walk away from it all.
@ we are not the ones with 20 YT channels you are and we arent trying to prove anything uuu are
Didn't think I'd see The 8-Bit Guy here.
Nathan Oakley:
"You can't go to Antarctica! NOBODY CAN!!!'
Also Nathan Oakley:
"I knew someone who worked in Antarctica and he didn't see the 24hr sun!'
Oakley's followers:
"YoU TeLL 'Em!'
You mean the penguins didn’t shoot him?
Nathan is one of the Flat Earthers in MY opinion is 100% POE, he KNOWS Earth is globe and he is running as scam to make loads of money, just like DITRH.
They would've but he was never there personally. @@SciTrekMan
@@Spiderantula Not referring to Nathan, but with the one he said he knew who worked there. Assuming they even existed, of course.
@@SciTrekMan pretty sure he doesn't 🤣
Dave is used to photographing weddings but fortunately for everyone this time he's going to photograph a funeral for flat earth
It would be so nice if this were true.
Unfortunately not. You cannot bury religious beliefs with facts.
@@opelvectra2297esp when you have no facts
@@opelvectra2297The Flerfer delusion is not a religious belief. The Bible never once said the Earth was flat.
@@TJ-o7f Says the halfwit claiming the earth's flat but has no facts, only tantrums.
I've had that "once in a lifetime" experience twice now (and hope to make it for a third 😃) Yes, it's cold, but it's manageable. If the Sun's out and the wind drops, you can get pretty warm if you're doing any physical activity. My farthest south was just over 65° so I didn't quite see a 24 hour Sun, but it did circle right around to the south and barely dipped below the horizon for just over an hour. That's still impossible on a flat Earth, no matter how much they fudge their "models".
The packing list looks good, but to add my recommendations :
- Really good boots. My first trip I had fairly thin, cheap ones and my feet were freezing most of the time, even with the layered socks (see below).
- Thin liner gloves and socks to layer up your hands and feet. You can keep the gloves on and still work cameras, stopping your fingers freezing.
- Thin balaclavas to go under your headgear. Again layering to trap heat.
- Factor 50+ sunblock for any exposed skin. The UV is intense down there.
- Extra batteries. They lose charge really quickly in those conditions, and you definitely don't want to run out at a vital moment.
- A small cloth drawstring bag to put spare batteries in and stuff down your jumper. Your body heat will keep them warm and stop the charge dropping.
- Practice setting up (and taking apart) your kit a few times before you go, so you have a good idea how long it takes and what you'll need. Then double that time to account for the conditions.
Hope that helps. The main thing to do though is just enjoy the experience. It's a unique place to visit, so make the most of it. I'll be looking forward to the pics and video when you get back.
I went out snowshoeing during a blizzard in northern Minnesota, 30 mph winds, -20 deg. F. air temp.
It was out in the open, on top of 3-4 feet of crusty snow, 30-50 feet visibility. It was so fun because I kept thinking, "Nothing else is out here."
I was wearing great boots, two layers of long underwear, thick overalls, two pairs of gloves, tight balaclava, thick balaclava, and snowboarding goggles. I did manage to work my camera for about ten minutes before the battery had to be taken out and tucked into my pants. I would love to go to Antarctica.
@@420raulduke And the conditions won't be that harsh on the trip, if for no other reason than that the sun will be up constantly. Average temps will be 30-60° F warmer
Dave, you need to wear a body cam the entire time!!! Anything, and I mean anything the flerfs say or do, need to be documented.
I agree with this.
Toon plans on doing this
@@cygnustsp That's good, thanks for the info!
How feasible is that? The privacy concerns set aside, the logistics of storing at least 5 days worth of footage might be challenging.
Antarctica is a public place, for all intents and purposes. Except in your room/bunk, changing room, and bathroom, you have no expectations of privacy. Especially since everything you're doing in this particular situation is on company property. There is literally ZERO expectation of privacy.
Dave was the absolute best choice for this.
💯
Agreed.
This was just a twenty minute word salad on why he's not going.
@@beckydoesit9331 It's more a summation of his feeling on the whole thing plus an abridged timeline of events around The Final Experiment.
@@beckydoesit9331
Get a clue!
Edit: *KARK IT,* NaziTube!
It’s going to be awesome to see you in Antarctica Dave
Stay Warm sir!!
This was just a twenty minute word salad on why he's not going.
This was just a twenty minute word salad on why he's not going.
@@beckydoesit9331
Grow up!
@@beckydoesit9331 except... no? it isnt? are you on crack?
As i said, the experimrnt isnt to see if theres a 24h sun.
We know there is a 24h sun.
The experiment is to see how the flat earthers react.
I'll be watching with keen interest to see the flurry of fictional models attempting to explain the real-world observations - emphasis on the "real".
So far it's mostly been Nuh Uh. Moving the goal post.
They need to do better than "a second sun" or "a sun simulator". You'd notice if there were two suns in the sky at some point, and a second sun orbiting just one point in Antarctica is pretty dumb.
What If made a video a few weeks ago answering the question what it would take for us on Earth to change the color of the Moon by pointing laser pointers to it.
The final answer was that once you could make the Moon look red, you had evaporated our atmosphere. So idea of a having a “Sun projector is just …. 🤯”.
They already pre-emprively moved the goal post. They dropped all of their previous “you can’t go to Antarctica or the military will stop you” like they never once said it (they said it constantly) and are even going so far as to claim there are multiple suns and only this second previous never once seen before sun will responsible for 24 daylight…
@@patu8010 Do they? They've never produced a plausible model for normal sunsets. It's clear accuracy isn't required of their claims. They rely more on being opposed than making any sense.
@Dave regarding camera gear in low temps, I'm an amateur astronomer that has shot in -30C (-45 windchill), the gear (tracking mounts, focusers, etc) holds up fine. CCD and CMOS cameras prefer being cold. Lenses, however, do not. You will need Dew Heaters (Lens warmers that wrap around the lens cell for those that don't know) best powered by a AC power supply. As well the camera(s) should be powered by AC power supplies as batteries dramatically lose capacity in extreme cold. If you must use batteries, bring several and keep them warm until ready for use
And it's always a good idea to try to get the cameras and lenses near ambient before starting the shoot. Like don't take your rig out of your 12C tent and immediately set it up outside in -25C.
AC power will not be a option
Dave said in the video that there's power in the camp and observation shed, dude. Why wouldn't there be..?
@@dapje2002 I'm also curious for this reason.
It's going to be very tough to keep lenses from fogging/frosting over in low temps. Acclimating the gear before shooting helps but not much. --30C with a well acclimated scope and dew heaters cranked I have maybe 8 hours imaging time before losing the battle.
Of course, I've never imaged in Antarctica and maybe the air is dry enough there it won't be a problem but he's still going to need several batteries to shoot a full 24 hours.
@@brucepeddle1672 It will be the first day of summer in Antarctica, it should not be anywhere near that cold. Averages say it should be closer to -5 or even 0C
@@ctsean That will certainly be much more comfortable but if the temps drop to the dew point your lenses are going to fog up without dew heaters or some other means to keep them clear. I've seen folks use battery powered heat guns to periodically clear the lens but I'm sure Dave is wanting to pack as light as possible for essential gear.
Again, AC power would be absolutely ideal but if it is not possible he's going to have to get creative.
I wish him the best of luck and hope he does get some good data.
Last time I was this early, Eratosthenes was still trying to figure out how to measure the circumference of the Earth!
Tell him I want my stick back!
Real shit
I work at a primary school and it would be so cool if someone involved in this experiment could make some videos that are more accessible to a younger audience! It would be fun if classes could keep up with what's going on.
You are so right, I hope Dave makes his footage available for use so other people can make their own informational videos too.
This is an amazing idea. What an educational opportunity this is.
This was just a twenty minute word salad on why he's not going.
@@beckydoesit9331In the video he said himself that his trip is fully paid for, and that if he backed out now, he would have to reimburse the 35k spent on him going
@@beckydoesit9331 8:07
I'm a geologist and had a colleague that did research in Antarctica. She said it was amazing and that yes, the sun didn't set. She also had problems with the transport issues - they were using LC-130's paid for by the research institution. Enjoy - Rusty will miss you.
No shit...she said the sun really didn't set! ?!?...
😂Sorry, I couldn't resist my comment.
@@Peter-y7j1v Yes shit, because it came in reference to losing track of time and being able to work 24 hours a day. She also said it was difficult to sleep, even though they were exhausted from drilling cores all day.
@@okeesmokee6658 Cool and interesting story, thanks
Being nervous is good, it just means you're not stupid.
Handsome and brave
I would think photographing a wedding would be more stressful than TFE. After all, people have failed to show for their weddings, but the sun has never failed to show
Yeah. No brides or their mothers at this event... Should be simple 😂
_"but the sun has never failed to show"_
In theory, a storm could roll through.
@@1FatLittleMonkey Even with a storm you can still see sunlight, its never as dark of a day as it is at night even with a black storm.
I don't know about that. I live in the UK, and I haven't seen it for a couple of days.
@@rjswas [belatedly] However, if TFE is totally greyed out, you know the flerfers will claim it's proof that TFE failed and the flerf is true. It doesn't matter if they clearly had daylight behind the clouds continuously for multiple days.
Batteries do not like the cold. Wear on an inner pocket a power pack
so your body keeps it warm. When I went to iceland my Beaulieu R16
suffered till I wired up an external battery pack. The film compartment
I slipped over a large block of foam . It looked as I was carrying a pillow.
Good luck.
👍🏼 I was scrolling through the reactions if someone would mention this. If not, I would have mentioned it.
I think I might have to get an extra battery for my camera before we go in March. Expecting temps of about -1 to -6 and I think I'll be shooting a lot of footage each day.
Don't forget a bullet proof vest, as well. You know, heavily armed penguins and all that.
Ha
@@wattouk At least there won't be any emus.
@@Thirdbase9 Well, if so, very few. ;-)
@@KevinVenturePhilippines one is too many.
The Shoggoths are even worse
This experiment should be a fascinating addition to the study of Social psychology.
Pathology
Most often religious bias perverts facts, observation, science and reason.
Reason takes into account evidence and bias, weighing each against all evidence.
Does a flat earth person ever question flat earth or does the fear of burning in hell or pissing off a god preclude questioning?
Courage reveals reality.
Yep. The real experiment will be watching the mental pretzels the Flat Earthers do to deny the obvious truth when they're shown the midnight sun. IOW, TFE isn't actually a science experiment, but a psychological one.
@@tomlong3362 Not really. They are not clinically ill but exhibit social-psychological processes that lead them down their specific path, one which needs to be investigated to be fully understood.
@@tomlong3362 they never question (since now the meta is not giving predictions whatsoever), but it seems they have no fear of hell or any repercussion, since they lie knowingly and act horribly most of the time (and follow/watch visible horrible people). So for me its only narcissism and lake of life meaning / family / friends.
My son spent several years working in Antarctica, both at Palmer, and also at the South Pole, including a few South Pole winters. He was also a photographer, and prior to one of his trips, he built a few insulated and heated cases that he could use to hold his gear during hours of time-lapse photography.
Was he a NASA ice wall guard ?
I've been to the pole 3 times to help deploy the Ice Cube Neutrino Observatory. But never wintered over. Winter overs get some mad respect.
LCD screens do not like cold. I suggest you put some critical kit in a sealed plastic bag in the freezer until it gets cold then turn it on still within the bag and see if the screen is good and the focus motor (if you have one) works. The reason to keep it in the bag is to prevent condensation which can be a real problem when moving from cold to warm.
My Antarctic days were long ago in the era of film cameras and I used fully manual cameras without screens to make them cold proof - but this was winter so they had to cope with -50C.
Fiddly controls are obviously tricky with thick gloves and touch screens are totally impossible
PLEASE try to capture the look of shock on the flurfers faces dave
They already know what they're going to see. There's no way they haven't seen footage already. They're just working on excuses for what they know they are going to witness.
@@robadams1645They will move on to other conspiracy theories.
Does “incredulity” have a specific facial expression? Flerfs are famous for incredulity being used as “evidence”!
@@SciTrekMan Think the wonderful DeForrest Kelly playing Bones in the original Star Trek. Nobody did incredulity like him.
@@peronkop
They already are. Have you noticed they've all lately been on about how no one has been to the moon?
Elon might fix that though. Moon tourism would probably give him a decent income boost and strategic base for a Mars mission.
I know three pilot colleges that have operated for BAS at one time or another, apart from the obvious proof of the globe, what you will see is utterly breathtaking and otherworldly scenery, when I used to chat to my friends about the time they spent there you could see their eyes glaze over as the memories came and words like “surreal, unbelievable, unearthly landscape”, one of these guys an older chap who retired some time ago was one of the first pilots employed by the British Antarctic Survey said that after 7 seasons with the BAS he couldn’t believe he was seeing it for the last time. I envy you this opportunity.
My last few weeks in Antarctica with BAS was on the BEDLAM (Bransfield Endurance Depot LAying prograM) flying fuel drums out to Berkner Island, I was the copilot flying with Dave Leatherdale (maybe your older chap?). I was flown from Bransfield to the land a few times in the helecopters from HMS Endurance stuffed into a immersion suit far too small for me but the view out of the open door of the sea ice just a few meters below was great. On land the BAS people set up our old fashioned looking orange tents in the normal way and got on with things but some of the work was done by Endurance marines who dug a trench and put their tent in it with the door facing downwind - I should point out that this place had constant katabatic winds blowing out towards the sea. Us BAS people told them that this would not work but the tough marines ignored the civvies and then we watched as they dug the tent out as the spindrift constantly buried it and blocked the door. They never admitted defeat and just kept digging for the entire week. Put the door on a side not upwind or downwind - this was antarctic camping lesson 1 and it is vital.
Happy memories (and the sun does not set in summer).
@ my old mate was Dave Rowley he did 7 seasons in total, another was St Cervantes he did 3 somewhat later.
Just look at it as a much deserved vacation to a really unique place that also gives you the chance to do unique observational science.
Enjoy your vacation and make sure you pack some warm clothes.
Praying for all of the participants on this trip. I hope you have an awesome experience Dave!
Big props to the former flat Earther coming to his senses. That is such an incredibly rare thing because of how unbelievably stubborn and prideful flat Earthers are, so very few of them EVER admit they were deceived. Hopefully TFE will convert more to defeat the grift. I applaud and welcome anyone actually able to step out of the flerf cult into the light of truth.
Good point about there being an obstuction - something like that could have been enough for people to seed doubt about what happened when the Sun was occluded by the mountains. Anyway, all the best for the trip, Dave, and I hope you can take some time to just enjoy the unusual destination.
My prediction: Goalpost moving
The Goalpost Moving World Championships.
Yup.
Already happening. Plus throwing under bus of the ones that go
They're going to shun and ostracize the people who go and admit what they saw.
@@LogjammerDbaggagecling-qr5ds And Witsit will fully become a Geocentrist
Have a calm, safe & pleasant trip Dave!
best wishes for this trip, Dave! I greet you from Argentina, so I can feel like a host.
Everything you say is correct. I took this trip last December and we sat in Punta Arenas for a week waiting for the weather to allow us to travel. Hope you got refundable flights, we had to change ours three times due to the schedule changes. Final tip - sunscreen, sunscreen, sunscreen! It's an amazing experience though, so enjoy it!
I have seen the midnight sun in northern Alaska back in 1976 and it was a surreal experience. It was during a full moon phase so the sun dipped down near the horizon and was traveling quite rapidly behind the Brooks range mountains while on the opposite horizon the moon rose and was traveling horizontally along the opposite horizon. Of course there were no trees up in the permafrost zone so from the hilltop we were standing on you could see the horizon 360 degrees in all directions and we felt like we were on a alien planet.
You think TFE has logistics problems, I'm with Sun Simulator Co., and you can't imagine how much effort's gone into transporting the Simulator, setting it up, and testing it. We could never have done it without the cooperation of the Powers That Be.
Did you remember to block the real sun with the invisible gigantic opaque sun blocker thing?
@@justforplaylists dammit ... there's always something left behind. Maybe no one will notice.
@@greenflagracing7067 You should ask the flerfs to lend you their size changing and lampshade tech so they can make the titchy simulator look like the real thing.
@@Katy_Jones you're not supposed to know about those. cease your investigations.
@@greenflagracing7067 Don't worry, flerfs keep telling themselves size isn't important.
Having been there myself Dave it will blow your mind.
What gear to bring on this Antarctic trip? In the 2019 film, Amundsen, Arctic explorer Roald Amundsen had some good suggestions to Robert Scott's 1911 Antarctic expedition:
- Wear arctic wolf fur clothing as that is best for extreme cold and removing moisture from you instead of Scott's cotton parkas that got wet easily and took long to dry out.
- Use Greenland sled dogs (he had 52) as they are the best and they will eat fellow dogs fed to them, but Scott used 3 automotive tractors (motor sledges) designed in 1909 that quickly broke down, his 19 Siberian ponies quickly died, and he only had a small pack of sled dogs remaining until they died and the explorers had to drag their sleds slowly to their exhaustion.
- Start as early as you can and build supply bases as far as you can, but Scott started later, his progress was slower, and his expedition died within 11 miles of a supply depot on the journey back when they arrived at the South Pole to see Roald's Norwegian flag planted there nearly a month before.
The tipp for clothing is nice, but dogs? No, they have their equipment at the base, it would be unnessecary to bring dogs with you (not to mention the food etc).
He is mainly talking about the gear in terms of camera equipment to shield the sensitive equipment from the cold.
@@bass-dc9175 Yes, I just wanted to compare with the 1912 race to the South Pole between the Norwegians and the British. The Norwegians started 11 days before Scott at a base 96 km (52 NM) closer to the South Pole than Scott's base. Amundsen made a round-trip of approx. 3440 km (1857 NM) and returned before winter again arrived with no casualties. Scott's expedition suffered terrible delays with the motor sledges breaking down, the ponies and dogs dying, they had to pull their sleds by skiing, and they were delayed so badly that they were trapped in a winter blizzard 18 km (11 Nm) short of One Ton Depot at 79degrees 29' S where they all died.
@@sejembalm They aren't going anywhere. They're flying to a base then flying back. They're not making a trans-Antarctic crossing.
11 days... Poor Rusty is gonna miss Dave.
I'm sure it's gonna be worth it though! Really looking forward to see how it pans out.
You're going to do great, Dave. I can't wait to see the footage. I am extremely excited for you and will be experiencing it vicariously through you. Good luck and Godspeed?!
Also. Batteries don’t like the cold. Take more than you think you’ll need. All the best Dave! Have a fab time! 😊
Can you imagine the joy on Rusty's face when Dave finally returns after 11 friggin days?!
test your gear for cold temperature. I had problems with my phone stop working due to the cold and that was while -10°C doing deliveries on a bicycle with my phone out for maps.
so check that your batteries can deal with a little cold, or find ways to keep them warm. just protection from wind chill helps a lot
On your TFE trip, I recommend taking a small globe and a flat earth map, such as the Gleason map. While obsverving the sun, get the group to plot the Sun's path on the globe and the map. The flat earthers will have to reconcile why what you observe while there does not line up with the concepts of their model. They may say that they have no model, but the fact that they claim the earth is flat IS a model and they will have to square the celestial mechanics of it with what you observe.
I am SOO excited to see how you document this trip. Will make for some EPIC vlogs.
this is the most excited I've ever been about a vacation I'm not going on.
good luck, Dave!
❤
Best of luck Dave!
One thing to bear in mind for TFE observation is that on a flat Earth not only is a 24-hour daylight impossible beyond the Antarctic circle in the southern summer, but the sun's circuit would always be in front of you (because the sun's southernmost circuit would be along the Tropic of Capricorn at the solstice, and therefore anywhere south of the Tropic of Capricorn is outside that circle).
Which means that if you pick a direction (i.e. a meridian - not just "north") then if the sun goes behind you as you face north along that meridian, then the Earth simply cannot be flat.
Which is why the desperate attempts to pretend only seeing the Sun describe a 270 degree circle means DA erf iZ fLAtz are so funny.
Yeah if you take your floating dirt ball as a baseline it cant be flat... what about you dont do that for once you idiot 😂
@@Yepbutno-yl5bx "i truly dont understand how a sundial works..."
@@Yepbutno-yl5bx "I'm a mechanical engineer by degree"
"I am a trained media designer"
"I never attended any university"
"Aircraft wings cannot structurally hold fuel"
"I am german"
"Perspective makes things disappear bottom first"
@@Yepbutno-yl5bxHave a flerf map and working model yet 😊
Need to hear Jeran say “Interesting…” when he witnesses the 24 hour Sun. Dave, make this happen.
At least he won't have to ask Enrique to lift it up a bit more...
I'm wondering how long it'll be before he's expelled from & then vilified by the Globebusters 'team'.
@@bigtbongosbarbarakapernic Says the clown leaving comment after comment directed at me. Fetch yourself a tissue kid, it'll be okay.
@@bigtbongosbarbarakapernic Ironic that the one slinging bot accusations just copied and pasted the same comment three times and will probably copy and paste it a fourth time in response to this comment.
@@AM-rd9pu Here, I'll do it for him.
"good lord I am one hypersensitive stooge bot."
Dang it, my cut and pasting needs work! And just what is a hypersensitive stooge bot anyways? Is it one of the 5 stooges?
I was involved in mcmurdo support from 91-94. You are going in the summer season, so will be relatively warm.
I’m glad you are going. You are very calm and well suited to a focused well thought out execution. You may not be perfect but you are very good. Stay the course my good man!
We need to get CC Chris from New York, westchester county
His wife would really appreciate him ranting in Antarctica rather than the kitchen. 🤣🤣
His wife won't let him - he needs to clean the rain gutters
@@okeesmokee6658 but think about how thrilled she’ll be to have him out of the house
He was invited, and predictably refused.
@@JonnyDWiseshe probably would love for him to go, just on a one-way ticket.
This will ruin Eric Dubay’s source of income. Of course he is against it.
I won't - there are enough dim-witted people who will still follow him. He offers more nonsense than just FE, so he will come up with something else to scam his followers.
He will just continue saying "nuh uh" to the evidence, like always
I couldn't give a monkey's about the inevitable denial from the flat earth larpers, but I am looking forward to hopefully seeing the images Dave takes whilst there.
Having photos of Antarctica in your portfolio can never be a bad thing.
As far as any worthwhile entertainment the larpers are going to provide, that's only going to consist of turning on each other like a pack of rabid dogs (conmen trying to protect their grift in other words), much to our amusement.
protect the grift lol . I ask them just to livestream walking away from a large tower and film beyond its possible viewing point .
i personally believe were stationary** and probably a ball but i like some flerf videos
@@TheCraigy83 Given your grammar and spelling, it's no surprise you think we're 'stationary' & you 'like' some flerf videos.
How you think that's any less ridiculous than their fantasy is beyond me.
@@leftpastsaturn67
I have Autism i went to 9 schools in total my writing is clearly low hanging fruit for everyone to see , you're only impressing yourself . I like the science tests like lasers over the lakes and similar things .
@@TheCraigy83 Funny how so many of you claim to have some kind of 'challenge'...
I'm not out to impress anyone kid, I'm mocking you for saying something just as stupid and dishonest as the very people you were mocking.
I love your videos. So well constructed and presented. So open and clear about everything. Good luck, we have every faith in you for your trip and the results you will publish!
Have an awesome time. Can't wait to see the videos and watch Flerth reactions
I'm so excited for your trip not because of absurd reason of flat earth but for its beautiful sky since I'm an amateur astronomer.
I wish I could help you in person since I'm electrical engineer, but in regards for power, you can take a small UPS and portable solar panels if it's possible. Ugreen and Allpower have nice equipment.
ALE are provisioning a generator for them he said although yeah I guess a battery backup couldn't hurt just in case it needs to be restarted unexpectedly for any reason.
Them running away from their own model, trying to talk each other into not going, and then when that didn't work, turning on each other is all basically what you would have expected them to do.
TFE is a major issue for flatties because they have dug their own grave since Samuel Rowbotham declared in Zetetic Astronomy that the days down South are always short and start and stop abruptly. It had seemed that every flattie had gone along with that and gone even further. For example, Alexander Gleason included a December solstice diagram showing no Sun at all in Antarctica. When the RUclips channel YouFishTV put up their 2018 video of being turned around by Warship Hobart, flatties declared it evidence of the military blocking access to Antarctica. Flatties have made claim after claim trying to show people aren't allowed to go to Antarctica because people would find out the truth. If TFE is not a psy-op that means globers are not just deluded sheeple. It means there is a commercial organisation running trips to Antarctica. It means flatties have been spewing fake news about Antarctica for over 100 years and just accepting that BS as truth without any checking.
As Will Duffy failed to live down to the "he is a NASA shill fronting a NASA psy-op" assumption, Antarctica not being what was claimed by flatties became more and more real. Jeranism was ramming the issue down flatties throats. Eric Dubay raising the 1904 Zetetic Astronomy by Lady Blount and Albert Smith didn't help the situation as it stated the 24 hour Antarctic Sun was credible but the authors still believed the Earth is flat regardless. Eric compounded that by saying he now thought it was irrelevant whether there was a 24 hour Sun and did not adjust his 200 proofs.
I hope the reactions of the big flat Earthers has made obvious to the flat Earth community that their earlier absolute confidence was baseless BS.
I think this crisis of faith will shake out even more low investment flatties, and leave a core of hard core flatties who congratulate themselves on surviving yet another round of fake flatties run by THEM(tm).
I predict the hard core flatties remaining will declare TFE is proof the Earth is flat as it shows the enormous power of THEM(tm) and the lengths they will go to, to pretend the Earth is a globe. Thus even more than before TFE, anything that says the Earth is a globe is clearly the work of THEM(tm) and should be automatically ignored as fake because it has to be.
I don't think there are any reactions the cult leaders could give that would matter to their drooling followers. Plenty of them have debunked themselves in spectacular fashion repeatedly, yet it doesn't matter to their flock, or they're too stupid to notice, and once the excuses have been made (however contradictory or ridiculous) the flock is happy.
Great to hear the trip is really happening. I mentioned it in my Substack a few months ago and I’ll share your video in an update next week.
We're all rooting for you Dave!
Flerfs please post your tears here so we can gather them in one spot to partake.
They will just move the goalposts and laugh not cry all the way to the bank.
@@robertcatuara5118 oh they always cry and it's glorious
They've already been coping about this for the last few months.
They cry all time but since they have two suns the lacrimal fluid evaporates instantly
@@Green_Tea_Coffeemmm frozen Cope Pudding with a Flerf Tear topping.
Whose gonna look after your doggie? - it's gonna miss you lots...
Thanks for asking the really important question.
his family... (5:41)
Hey I can understand your reticence concerning TFE
Iv checked out the ALE website and am kicking myself for not having the funds.Although I’m NO FE,if I was So delusional I would be VERY keen to prove my childish understanding.Have An Amazing Time. onelove
Dave, I'm so excited for you! I hope you have an amazing trip and get lots of great footage and photos. I hope you do some vlog style videos too.
I feel like I'd be nervous the flat earthers would vandalize the camera equipment to protect their scam.
Or leave you on the ice
Doubtful, but if anyone it would be Austin. Jeran was at least willing to stand by the fact that a 24-hour sun debunks the flat earth model he believes so strongly in, in face of the entire flat earth community pre-emptively it throwing him under the bus, so I think he’ll honor the results since he’s confident that’s not what will happen. Plus Lizbeth seemed beyond excited to go do this experiment, typically not the emotional investment of someone planning on an intel destruction mission.
Yeah, luckily enough the two flat earthers going seem like good folks.
That guy who rants in his car is someone I would worry about. What's his name? "Demonstrable Realist" guy
@ it doesn’t matter it will prove nothing and life will go on without you
@@TJ-o7f What a perfect display of your confirmation bias. Show me on the doll where the globe hurt you.
You should be happy that Nathan Oakley is not going because he would just be spending his time there screaming profanities at the penguins.
Sure the new generation of penguin are not as before...
How is seeing a 24 hour sun in Antarctica significantly different from seeing a 23 hour sun in Puerto Williams or even the longest day at the southern tip of NZ? Doesn't summer in the southern hemisphere by definition break the model?
any sunset wrecks the flat earth fraud.
drawing the day/night terminator ...
and so on and so forth
Hi Dave. You are most definitely the best choice for this trip. However, I understand you anxiety. I hope you have time to step back and appreciate this fantastic trip and have some fun. Wishing you all the best.
Good luck, Dave! I hope everything goes well. I look forward to the results.
The deal-killer for me would be the flight times. I’m a recently retired employee of a major U.S. airline. My use of flight benefits was very infrequent. I would fly if I needed some place to be, or had people to see. I’m good for about four and a half hours on an airplane, and then I need to be off it. I told my coworkers that I would get to Hawaii when they finished the bridge.
Thankfully, I’ve never doubted the shape of the earth. It kills me how little it takes for people to buy into nonsense. It’s killing me right now, to keep my comment free of politics!
Looking forward to your report on how your camera equipment fares in that environment.
Oh dear, little yepbutno found the key to the candy cupboard again. Please can someone tell his mummy.
Sugar, it's one hell of a rush...
if everyone reports him multiple times, i think youtube does eventually hand down temporary bans.
but in fact, the channel owner has a responsibility here, to remove the worst scum off his channel, and he won't do that.
finally, many channel owners need to get together and COLLECTIVELY require youtube to eliminate the worst garbage. of course, that will never happen, because the very CONCEPT of collective action sends people running for the hills.
ultimately, government intervention may be required, and i myself am just about pissed off enough at the crooks and disinformation spammers to try something along those lines.
My guess is he's trying to get banned so he can whine and cry about censorship and how "the truth" is being suppressed. Don't take the bait, just ignore the idiot.
@@briansomething5987 that line of thinking got trump elected
@@victorfinberg8595 There is clearly a group of us who respond to his infantile nonsense, and collectively agreeing to ignore him entirely would starve him of the oxygen of attention he craves. But the chances of this happening are indeed slim.
I can see why Dave lets him spam meaningless tripe as it boosts his channel engagement and exposure. His posts might be annoying in the same way that a persistent mosquito would be, but in the end it's all in Dave's favour so I imagine he simply ignores it.
Perhaps we all should too?
Good luck, Dave! Hope you enjoy the experience.
I really appreciate your sacrificing voluntary work with mentally handicapped people, there should be more of you; keep it up! 👍🏻
I'm still not convinced any flerfs will go.
The girl that won the trip will definitely go.
My thoughts, exactly. Something will come up and they'll cancel at the last minute.
Thankfully the funder of the trip is very wealthy and can get some contract lawyers to ensure those guys don’t fake a tragedy or sickness to get out of refunding him. God I hope this trip goes without a hitch
@@Robisquick Just like every other flerfs promise to pay.
Witsit will be "unable" to secure a travel visa.
Since Witsit can't go, Jeranism will back out.
The Golden Ticket winner will lose her passport at the last minute.
@@robertcatuara5118 I hate flying, cold weather, and have watched too many Missing 411 videos but if I won that trip to Antartica I would definitely do my ever-loving best to go lol. Even if I had to pretend to be a flerf.
Hi Dave. Thank you and really proud of you going and have an amazing time. Looking forward to hearing about your adventures when you get back. All the best. Robbie @ Broadgreen
Hey: Quick question for the flerfers who show up here:
How come every picture of the flat earth is either obvious Photoshop or fake CGI? How come there are no photos, video, or other sensor data of the edge/underside of the supposedly flat Earth?
Also, why do you flerfers refuse to even acknowledge my question above?
Yes, I want to see a picture looking over the edge!
@@zebo-the-fat Right? It would be an incredible image, and something that would instantly prove that the Earth is actually flat.
Yet no such images exist.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee the circumference of the earth is around 25,000 miles, so that's the length of the "ice wall" in the flat earth model. They believe that the ice wall is guarded to prevent anyone from seeing it (or peering over the edge, presumably). But that would mean that to guard the ice wall, there would be at least 1 guard every mile - let's call it 2 guards per mile, to stop them getting bored/lonely. That's 50,000 (or more) guards to prevent us peering over the edge. Who do they work for? Why has no-one ever seen one of these guards? Personally I think it would be pretty fucking easy to sneak past the guard line if they are that spaced out. Yet still no-one has been to the edge. Or perhaps they have and they got caught on the way back and they are all in the NASA section of Guantanamo Bay...
I want a picture of the elefants and the space turtle
@@PeterMoore66 The US has the most porous borders in the world, but somehow we're expected to believe that "they" have so perfectly guarded the ice wall that no attempt to even approach it will be interdicted.
I recommend taking with you a copy of Lovecraft's "At the Mountains of Madness", set in Antarctica, for the trip ;)
I'm so excited for you, this should be such a wonderful trip. Have fun!
If I would add any advice (and apologies if already mentioned) - is when you bring something back into the tent cold or an environment that has heat and likely humidity, shove the item in a sealed plastic bag to stop condensation or icing for a while - allowing them to heat up in the tent this way protects the electronics/lenses. This is typically more for colder temps than likely at Union in the summer where it can be more than pleasant when the sun shines and the heat isnt taken away from a chilling breeze. Enjoy your trip - its a stunning and surreal place -- I was there for the first time over 45 years ago.
I am loving the split among the flerfs.
The sheer amount of copium is fascinating.
It really has been delicious watching flat earthers basically admitting they know there's a 24h sun.
The very fact that you’re able to go to Antarctica at all debunks like 12 FE claims.
Couldn't you return via Tromsø in Norway too. The polar night begin as the sun sets now in late November. You can confirm a 24h night in the same trip, with normal comfort like hotels and restaurants and a modetn airport.
Dave, you are the most reasonable person on the internet. So matter of fact. Love it!
Just remember, Dave: if you get to Antarctica and find the burned-down ruins of a research camp and the bodies of Kurt Russell and Keith David: RUN!
Also best to leave the dog at home
Fifty years from now flat earthers will claim your trip to Antarctica was a hoax because you did not return to Antarctica and there are still no Starbucks and McDonalds there after those 50 years.
A McDonalds Drive through would be challenging 😂
Make sure you take a solar filter to confirm it is the same Sun from the sunspots.
Fair play to you Dave for doing TFE. Nerves and uncertainty are completely understandable. I'd be bricking it, but then I don't like flying, or the cold.
A trip to Antarctica is quite the expedition, especially when factoring in all the tech you'll be taking, but you've got this and I'm sure you'll have an incredible experience no matter what.
Looking forward to your first vid after your return and hearing all about your adventure.
Stay safe and have a great time of it. 😁
I'm just really happy that you're seeing this as a work trip, and not a vacation. Kudos.
I think this has shown who the grifters are and who the true believers are in this flat earth nonsense. You can definitely tell which ones are only doing it for money now, and will say or do (or NOT do) just about anything to keep up the grift.
Sciman made a mistake not accepting. It's like rejecting an invitation to enter and also climb the Great Pyramid
From what I understand he didn’t want to be away from his kids for that long among other things
Dave is the better choice tho. He's got the know-how and tools to document everything.
And he just mentioned it in the end, didn't think I was putting that much pressure on him
Shows me he's not very selfish. And he doesn't need the Proof.
@@alohalyon6643bs excuse.
Okay, but wouldn’t it be _incredible_ if the sun actually DID set? You’d be on the very cutting edge of a new (if terrifying) scientific discovery that upends thousands of years of scientific understanding!
No matter what happens, I’m confident you’re the best person for the job, will report back with integrity, and importantly I know you’ll have a great time! Good luck and stay safe Dave :)
That would be insane, and everyone who hasn’t directly seen it can only have a 99.9999% certainty it will at most, but yeah it’s absolutely going to stay up. Theres a sliver of doubt as small as the sliver for the existence of the tooth fairy, that the sun would set. What’s your certainty level?
@ Like you I’m 99.9999% certain, but yes indeed if we have any respect for the scientific method we must be open to (and even excited by) the prospect of being wrong.
At the end of the day, our heliocentric globe model of the earth is exactly that: a model. A fantastic model to be sure, because it allows us to make highly accurate predictions, but every model can be proven wrong.
Perhaps sadly, I’m afraid Dave’s observations will just be a sun going around the horizon and never setting 🤣
@ I’ll add - This is something I really like about Dave: If by some bananas chance the sun DOES set, I fully trust him to report it and show us, which makes him an excellent scientist in my opinion.
"At the poles, the sun only rises and falls once a year. This one sunrise and sunset are known as the summer and winter equinox. During the polar spring, the sun rises and continues to do so until it reaches its peak in summer."
Good luck Dave you’ll do us proud 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I think you guys are all going to have a great time when you're there and I'm super excited for you!
Also, for your camera equipment, have you considered buying one race-motorcycle tyre-warmer?
You could wrap up your camera stuff in dry blankets and wrap a tyre warmer around it. It's easy to fold and travel with, lightweight and quite energy efficient nowadays while holding at around 85 degrees C.😎
About 10 years ago I did a marathon in Antarctica, it's a very weird place. Enjoy it!
Did you get a chance to climb the giant ice wall? 😂
Antartica is fake, they built it the other day
(If I have to clarify, this is a joke)
This is a genuine question: why have several flat earth proponents refused to go on this trip? They went out of their way to find excuses not to go. Especially the British feller who constantly mentions the taste of his testicles. If you're a flat earth person, tell me. All in good faith, please.
One answer is grift, the other is debilitating paranoia. I would not be surprised if having a healthy interpersonal relationship is difficult for a flat earther.
@12pentaborane That's fascinating. So, why do you think flat earthers attack regular people (non-governmental folks) for not believing flat earth? It seems FE RUclipsrs and their audience go out of their way to attack everyone. Especially in the comment sections of benign videos.
Wait, _who_ said that?
Anyhoo, have a good time, and bring back some stunning videos!
I know I'll be on the edge of my seat F5'ing on updates from y'all. The FLERF flurry of flaccid debunk attempts will be a mild midway side show carnival attraction for me, but I'm 99.999% going to be watching for the REAL LIFE adventure you're about to have. I hope you have an awesome time, Dave! FLERFers gonna FLERF. Don't let it drain any of the joy out of the experience, bud. That is an AWESOME life experience. Best wishes.
The biggest issue you may find with photography gear is lubricants freezing in cameras and lenses.
I haven't heard of that being a problem. I've been twice, and also gone to Greenland and Svalbard, and never encountered it. The main problem is the battery life, as they lose charge really quickly when it's that cold. Multiple spares, and keeping them warm under your clothes is essential.