A few things to take note of: 1. Your R invisibility will cancel if you press R before your auto’s damage come through. 2. If you press Claw and Q too quick together, you might end up cancelling Claw dash and use Ranged Q. 3. If you spam R at the start of Claw animation, your R will start at the location where you start the Claw animation. This can good or bad depending on the situation. 4. Claw puts you behind enemies, so let your W come back first before using Claw 5. Autos reset your passive timer so you can auto attack enemies and wait for your abilities to come back from cd 6. If you click off tour target too fast in a W Q R auto combo you might cancel the auto that procs your passive, a good way to know is when you do the combo but you’re still invisible
@@mindenergy8839 you know when you auto, there is an auto animation? You could absolutely R inbetween it and after the animation ends and your auto lands, it will cancel the invis cause you did damage after ulting. Not always a bad thing, you could use it to proc passive instantly to burst people at times
As a 500k Talon main I knew everything except the R prowlers claw auto q auto w combo which is really important. From an experienced Talon main this is the best Talon guide to learn Talon. I saw every Talon guide but this one has everything! Some combos missing like the W Flash R Q Auto which you do that to deal dmg to multiple people and carry the fight. Or the R Q W Auto when you chase the ADC and you know you will kill him. And the last one the Q W R Auto. That's all.
I play a lot of Talon and didn't know some of the tips :), If I can add some more tips that would be : You will automatically auto the target if you Q it so no need to right click onto your target for your basic combo (W>Q>R>auto and W>Q) and you can also do Q>flash (its a bit similar to E>flash on Katarina) its not that useful but its good to know ^^
As a Talon otp, there where some tricks here and there that you mentioned that I already knew about, the time playing the champion gave me this concepts I guess, as well, I got to see some things I didn't know, great video Dobby! Thanks!
I shoulda commented this yesterday when I was one of the first viewers. Your videos are just too fucking good dude. Keep it up. The music, the info, all of it.
Walljumping with E is so satisfying. Do you think you could make an Ivern or Rengar guide soon ? 😳 I play both but would love a guide on them from you. Thank you for the high quality content 🙂
Donghuap has a video on the best Rengar Top in EU if that's what you're looking for, even if you're looking for Rengar Jungle a lot of mechanics taught in that video are relevant to both roles. I'll just say that Rengar has crazy mobility when mastered since each AA can potentially be a dash, making him potentially more mobile than Yasuo and Irelia.
yeah, the best escape tool ever, imagine trying to rotate to a 2 v 2 in bot lane but the whole enemy team arrives and kill both your adc and support and then escaping a technically 5 man attack by even making them miss their cc and I am pretty sure the enemy team were flaming each other after not being able to even cc a squishy champion
1:45 He puts another point in Q right before it comes up for the additional damage. Not a lot of players are able to do that. However, it's the easiest thing in the world for a player of my calibre.
Commenting here for the algorithm. Gonna keep doing it until 100K :) Oh boy, Talon. I'm so happy that he is rarely played cus he is an absolute nightmare to deal with and he has so many item options to choose from (all three assassin items, plus Goredrinker, and that's just his mythics). I just noticed that he has a 5.7% pickrate (9th most played midlaner between Qiyana and Viktor) and a 52.11% winrate, which is pretty damn scary. I still don't think I'll ban him over Katarina though, since that champion is just the dumbest thing in the midlane right now, and she has no business having a positive winrate while being the third highest picked midlaner (she is supposed to be hard and feast or famine after all, but right now she is just feast). Teammates playing aggro while I'm just trying to survive these bullies as Sol doesn't help either. So to any of you bot, top and jungle players reading, please play safer when you have a control mage against a Talon or a Fizz. The guy just wants to survive the lane without his opponent getting any early kills, so no risky invades or pushing up pls. Thx
My biggest problem with Talon is that he doesnt really have shorttrades, like after lv 3 the guy doesnt slowly chip away from you anymore, he just bursts. Like you can't try to fight him and if it goes badly you just flash out or run away cuz even if you somehow didnt get bursted, he will catch u.
i dont even play this game but i come by your vids and give you a like cause i know so many people steal this fucking shit. gotta be hard/annoying to stay motivated when nothing is done about your shit getting stolen
I agree you should know though that some of the best plays don't come out of sheer mechanics but macro. Yes mechanics do matter but you won't always have to fall back on them. With time you will improve on them the important thing to remember is that patience and good macro can make up for what you are lacking now in skill
What will happen to talon once they change prowlers? I heard there was a change coming for "frustrating" items, its quite sad for talon or off meta abusing strategies on the 2 items they are changing. I can understand that being obliterated is frustraing but for talon large parts of being able to make plays hinges on extremly long cooldown dashes from non-kit tools. Im suprised to see serpents for example i assume nimbus just has to stand in for ghostblade and you have to deal with that and the gold efficency is simply more important.
This is great and all. But anyone can make a video of good trade compilations. You should be adding in combos when behind or at a lvl disadvantage. Or even when your combos doesn't fully land. Your banking on This working and being ahead and that's not gonna happen for most people 45% of the time.
Oh my, I couldnt believe that I always use Q in wrong way. Also I have a different build when I play Talon but its isnt matter so much. A wrong else is in combat, I dont play like him, I just know my mistake today that is I always burst damage to wrong target. This is very useful, thank you for this video
Wait, I’m relatively new to game (been playing about 1.5 months and have been very dedicated to talon, and did not k ow that claw retained invis on ult
11.09 this only can happen when your team know how to engage. In silver gold game. My team amumu insisted on going ap 1/8. Still building ap. Our team have 2 ap already. My top 0/9. Bot lane adc 7/2 and sp 6/2. Bot lane did good but the thing is enemy has 2 tanker . And we have non. Amumu won't engage at all. Our top is gargas also won't engage. Plus he int like amumu. In team fight for me as talon player I split push let them all die. Cause they keep fight non stop. Respawn and fight and lose and fight. Giving enemy gold and exp. I split push and pick the enemy. And believe it or not enemy shaco was 15/3. Shutdown gold 1k. And his top lane 500 gold shutdown. I shut down shaco 3 time. And top 2 time. It's like 3 v 5. But I was kind of fed and the enemy shaco keep aim me whole game. In team fight he wait for me to go in use my r than he use his q go behind me and auto me half of my hp gone. When I want q him. He use his ult. I miss my q and goes on cd. And he kill me . He go all crit duskblade and collector. Literally 1 shot. In the end i know he aim me i wait him to show himself. Only i kill him . After that taking his team down. Talon can't 1 v 9. Need a decent team but if got 2 inter we almost lose. Every fight they got deleted my adc too. By shaco. We only had 1 tanker that is amumu but he decided to go ap. In the end i farm up and literally triple kill. End of the game my kda was 20/10/9. Can't do anything else . Lucky we won that. And at least my bot was decent. I can say my mechanics are as good as this challenger right here. On talon.
A few things to take note of:
1. Your R invisibility will cancel if you press R before your auto’s damage come through.
2. If you press Claw and Q too quick together, you might end up cancelling Claw dash and use Ranged Q.
3. If you spam R at the start of Claw animation, your R will start at the location where you start the Claw animation. This can good or bad depending on the situation.
4. Claw puts you behind enemies, so let your W come back first before using Claw
5. Autos reset your passive timer so you can auto attack enemies and wait for your abilities to come back from cd
6. If you click off tour target too fast in a W Q R auto combo you might cancel the auto that procs your passive, a good way to know is when you do the combo but you’re still invisible
thank you
THE FIRST ONE GOT ME KILLED SOOOOOO MANY TIMESS :(((((((
please could you explain 1 a bit more i keep messing up my invis :/
@@mindenergy8839 you know when you auto, there is an auto animation? You could absolutely R inbetween it and after the animation ends and your auto lands, it will cancel the invis cause you did damage after ulting.
Not always a bad thing, you could use it to proc passive instantly to burst people at times
@@nonlmao thanks so much :)
1:58 pretty sure 99% of us Talon players didn't even know that our next auto after close range q has 200 range...
I am only replying to this and not all the comments bcs I hate saying that I did, but I did
It makes up for the 'self stun' that melee q'ing causes
Yep, we don’t
wanna know why, because riot "tooltips" are a joke
nah some does, but sometimes u get rooted when u mlee Q someone so u have to walk back to make ur Q ranged.
The best way to counter the enemy is to know your enemy - Viewer After watching Dobby Videos
The enemy cant counter you if you dont know yourself
Sun Tzu :)
Don't counter Talon. He is not an enemy, he is a friend.
Sun Tzu
The best way to counter talon is ban him in pick round
the play against aatrox was clean as hell
As a 500k Talon main I knew everything except the R prowlers claw auto q auto w combo which is really important. From an experienced Talon main this is the best Talon guide to learn Talon. I saw every Talon guide but this one has everything! Some combos missing like the W Flash R Q Auto which you do that to deal dmg to multiple people and carry the fight. Or the R Q W Auto when you chase the ADC and you know you will kill him. And the last one the Q W R Auto. That's all.
Where u at now
I play a lot of Talon and didn't know some of the tips :), If I can add some more tips that would be : You will automatically auto the target if you Q it so no need to right click onto your target for your basic combo (W>Q>R>auto and W>Q) and you can also do Q>flash (its a bit similar to E>flash on Katarina) its not that useful but its good to know ^^
ahh, no wonder, i keep fucking missing an auto sometimes when i try to proc passive, i think just clicking away too early.
@@D4NKN4 Don't worry, i died a lot of times because of that when i was testing him ,_,
Buffering long range q then flashing (then long range q automatically goes off) has scored me lots of kills on fleeing enemies tbh
As a Talon otp, there where some tricks here and there that you mentioned that I already knew about, the time playing the champion gave me this concepts I guess, as well, I got to see some things I didn't know, great video Dobby! Thanks!
Wow! Thank you for letting us all know what this video was supposed to do! Great comment!
u know he's strong if theres a "shen" in his name
It actually means deep (in other case it might means ‘god’), and the full trans is something like ultra-deep conviction
I think it means god
@@vanyang5381 holy shit bro my uncles name is yan yang and yours is van Yang
"Taishen" is a slang word in China. If you separate the word,then "shen" means god.
I shoulda commented this yesterday when I was one of the first viewers. Your videos are just too fucking good dude. Keep it up. The music, the info, all of it.
Who else had to put it in 0.25 to comprehend the combos *-*
Try watching the qiyana video then xd
11:11 dude's out here playing Assassin's creed
prince of persia xd
Walljumping with E is so satisfying. Do you think you could make an Ivern or Rengar guide soon ? 😳 I play both but would love a guide on them from you. Thank you for the high quality content 🙂
Donghuap has a video on the best Rengar Top in EU if that's what you're looking for, even if you're looking for Rengar Jungle a lot of mechanics taught in that video are relevant to both roles. I'll just say that Rengar has crazy mobility when mastered since each AA can potentially be a dash, making him potentially more mobile than Yasuo and Irelia.
scrubnoob for rengar jungle
yeah, the best escape tool ever, imagine trying to rotate to a 2 v 2 in bot lane but the whole enemy team arrives and kill both your adc and support and then escaping a technically 5 man attack by even making them miss their cc and I am pretty sure the enemy team were flaming each other after not being able to even cc a squishy champion
Kinda wanna figure out, how to play rengar late game jg, since they all group and i feel useless lol.
Man those interactions with the claw item are just CRIMINAL
Best informative league channel in yt right now keep up the good work your sub count will explode eventually
after being a bard main for a while you learn some sick wall tricks
8:41 it's not about Talon killing. It's about the Samira dying
Your videos are the shit. like, it legit made half of my matchups easier seeing how they work. keep up man!
It’s time t in become the best talon. Thanks dobby
My 100% wr talon dropped to 32%😔😔😔 but this will definitely help me, thank you very much Dobby!!😩😌😀👌
Amazing Video! 😁👍👍 Keep up the good work! 🙌
Man I wish yamikaze would upload more
Yesssssssss thank you!!!!!! Been waiting for this one!!!!!
Been waiting for this video from you
I would always be surprised by the one trick players from CN server, the players tend to master one champion instead of exploring another. Respect
Just started to main talon jungle...these mechanics are insane
This dude is the best Qiyana AND the best Talon???
it is not beifeng
Beifeng is a Qiyanna one trick player, everybody afraid of his Qiyanna in Chinese Super Server
hi fellow midbeast watcher
Awesome work, this player is insane
LoL Dobby
Can you make a video going over the Korean Manamune/Muramana Sylas build?
I love your content!
1:45 He puts another point in Q right before it comes up for the additional damage. Not a lot of players are able to do that. However, it's the easiest thing in the world for a player of my calibre.
Helpful video to learn the mechanics
thank you for this video, it really helped me
Hi Dobby I love your works!
I dont play talon and I will never pick him up since im already following Beifeng, but this guy is way more impressive than Beifeng's Qiyana.
Yeah qiyanna was more about execution and finding the right timings. Talon has many more variations specially with prowlers and flash
Commenting here for the algorithm. Gonna keep doing it until 100K :)
Oh boy, Talon. I'm so happy that he is rarely played cus he is an absolute nightmare to deal with and he has so many item options to choose from (all three assassin items, plus Goredrinker, and that's just his mythics). I just noticed that he has a 5.7% pickrate (9th most played midlaner between Qiyana and Viktor) and a 52.11% winrate, which is pretty damn scary. I still don't think I'll ban him over Katarina though, since that champion is just the dumbest thing in the midlane right now, and she has no business having a positive winrate while being the third highest picked midlaner (she is supposed to be hard and feast or famine after all, but right now she is just feast). Teammates playing aggro while I'm just trying to survive these bullies as Sol doesn't help either. So to any of you bot, top and jungle players reading, please play safer when you have a control mage against a Talon or a Fizz. The guy just wants to survive the lane without his opponent getting any early kills, so no risky invades or pushing up pls. Thx
Imo goredrinker talon is kinda dead, if you want the sustain just go conq into eclipse
Funniest shit ever you're fighting, then see a guy in a cape parkour over a rock, throw some ninja stars at you, and then parkour away.
My biggest problem with Talon is that he doesnt really have shorttrades, like after lv 3 the guy doesnt slowly chip away from you anymore, he just bursts. Like you can't try to fight him and if it goes badly you just flash out or run away cuz even if you somehow didnt get bursted, he will catch u.
i noticed that he build manamune in some games and others not, when manamune is good and when its "bad"?
When ur ahead early on, first or second back.
Quinn Secret tips & trick when?
how can you sort and get all infomation about a champ? I really want to know because that's a lot of pro players with high skilled champ like this
0:00 - 0:38 Intro
0:39 - 1:11 Runes and Build
1:12 - 11:33 Gameplay Combos
11:34 - 14:27 Montage
Alternate title: explaining why playing ADC is not fun in 15 minutes
Huh, it's like pre reworked talon all over again
I never thought of buying scan against Akali. Can you make a video on specific item choices and tips like that?
Buying scan againts Akali is what most do tho
Sweaper is not only agains akali although is good its because you have to roam with talon and the sweaper is good for clearing wards and making plays
@@Defaultiii i used it as an example
This is kinda useful cause I'm kind of talon main who gank every 5 min
at 2:35, why is his lv3 W cd faster than the passive exist ?
10:10 hoolyy FUCK that was slick
Can you do how the enemy kayn always carries?
is this same beifeng as qiyana main? love your videos dobby❤️
Imagine being the best Talon AND Qiyana in the world at the same time!
@@GenericNameeee adcs he him
It says "following Beifang", this is another guy
@@GenericNameeee it's not the same person
funny how my qiyana inspiration is now my talon inspiration lol
Thank you so much, Please we need a sylas guide !
I wanna play like that badly
are there any amazing ahri main youve been watch with tricks like this
12:34 epic dodge. Wow, that guys have reaction of feline. My talon sucks so badly ;(
i dont even play this game but i come by your vids and give you a like cause i know so many people steal this fucking shit. gotta be hard/annoying to stay motivated when nothing is done about your shit getting stolen
Damn as a talon main...I feel like I'm still very far behind from him
I agree you should know though that some of the best plays don't come out of sheer mechanics but macro. Yes mechanics do matter but you won't always have to fall back on them. With time you will improve on them the important thing to remember is that patience and good macro can make up for what you are lacking now in skill
Do something on Fiora plz, great quality video btw
6:01 that pyke needs to be imprisoned for that shit
What final 3 items do you build for Talon, after Prowler's Claw, Serpent's Fang, and Serylda's Grudge? I saw Edge of Night being used.
depends on the enemies and their builds.
BEIFENG, not only good at talon, but also the No.1 Qiyana CN.
What will happen to talon once they change prowlers? I heard there was a change coming for "frustrating" items, its quite sad for talon or off meta abusing strategies on the 2 items they are changing. I can understand that being obliterated is frustraing but for talon large parts of being able to make plays hinges on extremly long cooldown dashes from non-kit tools. Im suprised to see serpents for example i assume nimbus just has to stand in for ghostblade and you have to deal with that and the gold efficency is simply more important.
Well,since prowler's rework talon's pickrate dropped right to the hell,but he is still very strong assassin
does this guy stream on huya or something? I want to watch more of this
Do you think you can do Gwen tips and tricks? Please :)
Why doesnt the description of the skill tell about the 200 range auto?
Can you do next soraka :>
i don’t think soraka is mechanical enough for a video by dobby
Basically this is a killer ad with a deathfire grasp, which should not exist since its ap version was removed years ago for abuse.
If I remember E cancel R invisibility and against full tank melee team you go goredrinker/stride. black cleaver. serylda/dominik
Yo. There is a faster way to do the whole action. That is to w+q+flash+ignite+r+auto. You can try this sequence. No w+flash is q+flash.
Im a talon otp and I didnt know that w+flash cancel animation :|
let me guess ur silver or gold?
@@neifer9837 Nope , close
platinum :/
@@neifer9837 I always wanted to try it but im too lazy to start practice mode and try it :P
6:18 why did the ult went back to lb?
In some of these games he goes Muramana talon and in some games he doesn’t, in some cases when do you go muramana talon?
Cant w8 to see CN best shaco ;)
5:46 can someone explain the sylas that appears out of nowhere
he tp'd. might be a visual bug
Didnt know beifing played talon before qiyana
Plz can u make ornn guide, I’m trying to learn him and I could use some top quality tips
That jumping ability ain't fair
Dobby do you have a music playlist please, I need it
Joseodo: 4:05 -Noo, se paso se paso
He is totally a Qiyana main rn
After the prowler's nerfs, is Eclipse a viable option?
rip prowler's active
Gracias por el turorial
Ahora procedo a ir a rankent a trolear
How do you get the scoreboard at the bottom of the screen like that
if u mean something like in 3:18, its only available on replays (maybe spectate too?). It should be on the option in the left side
Was talon's r ability changed since now it goes to him instead of the enemy? I am new
read the ability
@@bellrains yeah I figured that they used his q then his r goes back to him
7:34 Haha what exhaust? never heard of it
you can call him a smooth criminal they way he gets away with thoes killes
Wasnt Beifeng also the rank 2 qiyana somewhere? o-o
Hey bro you should seriously be making a new Kat vid with creammon or something maybe Caiqi?
I need this
Can you do an orianna tips and tricks?
He had flash in virtually all of these clips
Mostly in teamfights to run away but the video also showcases many 1v1s without flash (just predator's claw)
No
This is great and all. But anyone can make a video of good trade compilations. You should be adding in combos when behind or at a lvl disadvantage. Or even when your combos doesn't fully land. Your banking on This working and being ahead and that's not gonna happen for most people 45% of the time.
3:35 showmaker
Oh my, I couldnt believe that I always use Q in wrong way.
Also I have a different build when I play Talon but its isnt matter so much.
A wrong else is in combat, I dont play like him, I just know my mistake today that is I always burst damage to wrong target.
This is very useful, thank you for this video
Wait, I’m relatively new to game (been playing about 1.5 months and have been very dedicated to talon, and did not k ow that claw retained invis on ult
If the claw combo gets popular though I am sure they will nerf it.
i wait it so long ，thx you dobby
Do the video about sejuani top
"talon from china"
also the announcer: *KOREA*
because he's playing in kr server
this some next level assasins creed shit
11.09 this only can happen when your team know how to engage. In silver gold game. My team amumu insisted on going ap 1/8. Still building ap. Our team have 2 ap already. My top 0/9. Bot lane adc 7/2 and sp 6/2. Bot lane did good but the thing is enemy has 2 tanker . And we have non.
Amumu won't engage at all. Our top is gargas also won't engage. Plus he int like amumu. In team fight for me as talon player I split push let them all die. Cause they keep fight non stop. Respawn and fight and lose and fight. Giving enemy gold and exp. I split push and pick the enemy. And believe it or not enemy shaco was 15/3. Shutdown gold 1k. And his top lane 500 gold shutdown. I shut down shaco 3 time. And top 2 time. It's like 3 v 5. But I was kind of fed and the enemy shaco keep aim me whole game. In team fight he wait for me to go in use my r than he use his q go behind me and auto me half of my hp gone. When I want q him. He use his ult. I miss my q and goes on cd. And he kill me . He go all crit duskblade and collector. Literally 1 shot. In the end i know he aim me i wait him to show himself. Only i kill him . After that taking his team down. Talon can't 1 v 9. Need a decent team but if got 2 inter we almost lose. Every fight they got deleted my adc too. By shaco. We only had 1 tanker that is amumu but he decided to go ap. In the end i farm up and literally triple kill. End of the game my kda was 20/10/9. Can't do anything else . Lucky we won that. And at least my bot was decent.
I can say my mechanics are as good as this challenger right here. On talon.