Conscripts vs Initiates - Same Cost - Red Alert 2
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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- Same Cost - Red Alert 2
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Once more the conscript proves to be the superior life-form
maybe russia has lotsa livestock and grains and have its people in turn refuse to go vegetarian besides zis russia also love its wheat and have conscripts eat many of zem wiz meats so maybe russia wanna win in ukraine bcoz zey want all ze wheat so zat ze conscripts wanna keep zemselves strong healthy and undead unlike zose leggy gis and spicy yuri bois
I don’t know about that. GIs tend to hold their own against them unless they’re not in sandbags…
@@TheGeoCheese So that makes Conscripts and Initiates very OP than those deployable Allied soldiers? Soviets has the Desolator and Yuri has its clones and their original "Prime" (originally Soviet in vanilla RA2)...
@@awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207 did I say anything about conscripts and initiates op? If so please point it out because I don’t believe I did.
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Unsurprising result. Contrary to their reputation, standing initiates aren't efficient compared to their competition. It's only in a garrison that they become good units.
Cloning Vats FTW!
@@awkwardsp00n I mean, yes, but that's not a property of Initiates. Otherwise, we'd have to treat flak track transportation and battle bunkers as a property of conscripts, and BFs and airborne as a property of GIs, and soon enough you're not talking about the units themselves but the side they're attached to.
To be clear, I'm not calling Initiates bad. I'm saying they're only better than Conscripts if garrisoned. For comparison, GIs are only better than Conscripts if you have a situation where their range advantage when deployed is relevant. Those niche cases are often more valued than the basic infantry's "all around" power.
now put 10 initiates in a building, and they'll beat all 1000 conscripts
Not so easy. At every death, the garrisoned building has a little delay before targeting again.
Conscripts would win just by numbers
@@lookmeandnotouchme maybe zats y yuri didnt made his soldiers and vehicles fully armoured in a correct time but instead we wud just capture all of soviet and allied bases wile trading his own factions arsenal in turn just liek in soviet missions three and seven in yr
Flaming conscripts running around, so funny, too bad there's no water to extinguish the flames. Talk about 1 hot battle🔥🔥🔥
Been like that since Tiberian Sun, when units catch ablaze, they'll immediately run to the nearest body of water.
Initiates in buildings are unbeatable
Exactly , that's what I was going to say
....Ah, yes. The coomer initiates in the basement.
Single rocketeer: you called?
@Koowluh "But Yuri have AA units too!
Oh wait they have the weakest AA units, nvm."
Yeah, the most imbalanced unit in YR
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Red Army vs Fire Nation
4 sentry gun vs 1 battle bunker pls. Not about same cost but same size. It's useful information.
Да друг, россия #1 за победу!
But battle bunker can't shoot by it's own.
Also, don't mind about that Ukrainian bot.
@@SU76M battle bunker + 5 conscripts = 1000 money
4 sentry gun = 2000 money
Still, I prefer buying sentry bcoz I'm lazy multitask. More importantly, which 1 is stronger? I might buy battle bunker + 5 cons if it's stronger than 4 sentry but now idk.
@@kdfr1483 sadly only ze initiates in battle bunkers r ze strongest but also zeyre ze chad so zats y putin wud trade guns wiz sorcery for his chad red army
@@awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207 irrelevant case idiot & everybody knows that. That's only assume u got both yuri & soviet somehow. Which is useless reference for multiplayer gaming(unless co-op). Bcoz enemy will rekt u if u wasting time & effort trying to capture building. U r cringe btw.
I know it's meant to be same cost battle but Yuri has cloning vat so wouldn't equal numbers make more sense? Yuri would get an extra 500 ini's for free
To make it fair we'd need to also account for the Industrial Plant discount
@@s-man5647 Unless I'm much mistaken, that doesn't apply to infantry. Only vehicles and aircraft.
When cloning vat gets built, basic infantries will be of little use except for garrisoning. So conscripts and initates' performance should be evaluated before the construction of high tech buildings.
"Well, Conscripts get battle bunkers and flak tracks to move them around!"
"Yuri's economy is so strong none of that matters."
"But Slave Miners are really easy to harass, so you might not get to your broken late game."
"No, because I defend my miners and pre-build psychic towers in case of-"
See the problem? Treating synergies as part of any given unit for the purpose of these comparisons leads to madness.
This isn't a comparison between the various factions, or even a test of which unit is "better"; it's a test to see how massed deployments of a given unit fare against each other without micro (with same cost being a thing to keep it as fair as possible within this context). As it turns out, Conscripts perform very well in this sort of scenario and Initiates not so much.
Yuri has bad infantry because he can just take yours. Cannon fodder unless in a building
Eerily similar to real life Soviet tactics.
Every time you write about the "fact" that the USSR treated people like cannon fodder, ask yourself: what happened at Verdun?
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Problem of Initiates when ungarrisoned is their hit points totally suck. 100 HP compared to 125, not exactly a good trade for more firepower.
They're also the lowest ranged infantry at 3 range.
Aaaand the fact conscripts have armor while they do not.
@@dracmeister do they, though? The wikis say otherwise.
@@reaperwithnoname huh. Weird.
The weird bit about range is that fractional ranges are not always presented clearly in-game.
They get targetting acquisition a bit faster but in practice seem to attack at 4 range still(at least for typical part unless you force the situation.
Though for sure, Deployed GI has more range.
The Apoc also has this too iirc. They might as well have the same range as a Rhino.
I just went and tested it. Initiates have the same range as Conscripts and standing GIs (less than deployed).
Weirdly, Elite Initiates have the same range as deployed Elite GIs, so they too can outrange base defenses. Never noticed that before.
Bro why you stop putting how many were killed/survived? I liked that. It put things into perspective
this would probably be too much of a headache to calculate
so, some consccripts reach required range, start shooting, while other go past them to be in range and die and then those shooting are promoted and become badasses while being shielded by those that go closer?
The battle of Stalingrad in a nutshell, yes
I think G.I. still better. Especially when elite, they can outrange Sentry Gun and even Tesla coil. They're also good punching Rhino Tank and Apocalypse in numbers.
One example of Soviet mission that only uses Allied units without mods will be Fox and The Hound (Soviet mission nine) in vanilla RA2, and since MadHQ's remaster of the mission's map is honestly difficult - due to the myriad of opponents that will easily fail the mission - then when you wait for one of the Yuri clones to mind-control a IFV or SEAL therefore you would clear the southwestern part of the map where you would capture the only Tech Oil Derrick being located in the map and thus you would guard it if you only play the mission in Easy mode - where you will only have three Yuri clones but the mission will still be difficult unless FinalAlert 2 would fix that...
I think Conscripts are a better overal unit. They may not beat deploy GI but they do better job than GI else where. You get double HP plus better armor for 200 gold compared to GI. This makes them great meat shield in tank fight and very good at clearing defensive structure like prism tower. Their number is also excellent for mind control bait against yuri.
They themselves are not weak against MBTs like many people believe, I think they perform even better than GI in this regard because they do good damage plus more men and with the trick of spamming X button, tanks have a very hard time trying to crush them, while deploy GI is very vulnerable to crushing.
Elite GIs can outrange Sentry Guns but NOT Tesla coils.
@@SoldierOfFate russia has lotsa hydroelectricity so zis makes zem so smart as long as zey refuse to impose sanctions on exporting grain which helps ze conscripts immortal
Gi is only good in large battle due to their range. But in red alert u don’t spam infantry. U will still see more gi because of us paratroopers though
Best Infantry = Deployed GI|
Best Supporting Infantry = Rocketeer/Cosmonaut
Best Tank = Rhino Tank
Best Supporting Vehicle = IFV
Best Top Tier Vehicle = Battle Fortress
Best Aircraft = Floating Disc
Best Hero Infantry = Yuri Prime
Best garrisoned infantry = initiate 👍
@@lookmeandnotouchme Best Anti Tank Infantry when loaded into Battlefortress = Guardian GI
By pr0 hand every thing is the best
@@jimmyzkho4646 What about slave miners?
@@ReviveHF Better infantry set loaded into Battlefortress =
-Elite Guardian GI X2
-Elite Boris X1
-Elite Chronno-Legionnaire X1
-Elite Tesla Troper X1
The results of this ALWAYS make me laughs in victory 🤣. Try it!
Best video so far, I'm dying watching all the dudes running around on fire... everyone else is concentrating in not dying.... lmao
Me too.. watching and think about .. is there any death animation when dead body lay down other direction..? 😂
russia needed to save its grain before ze anglo sucksons wud burn a lot of zem
All type of infantry in bunkers next ^^
Then initiates would be the strongest as it will fix their range and low HP problem.
@@minhducnguyen9276 till you modded that the other infantry can garrison the buildings.... XD
I tried it using tibed. it's fun and surprising.
@@MegaOS_Ver_NEET I know that you can get snipers and different basic infantry into the same building but not something like flak troopers. Or maybe my version is already modded.
@@minhducnguyen9276 flak troopers can be modded to be able to garrison a building. if i remember correctly, the flak troopers can still use their ground weapon but not their air weapon.
That's why initiates are good only in buildings. And they're best on it. With good range and firepower.
But conscripts are good assault units. And massive conscript army real strong for assault even a heavy defend base. Coz they're pretty fat.
If Ricky Bobby was with the conscripts he'd be yelling for Tom Cruise to help him.
Help me Jesus!
Help me Jewish God!
Help me Allah!
[SCREAMING]
Help me Tom Cruise!
the reason why the initiate is the weaker than the conscript and G.I is because Yuri has access to the cloning vault witch will double the initiates numbers for the same price
It’s quite funny since it was the conscripts that were originally mass produced in cloning vats.
Did you knoew, Gatling gun is the only weapon that's from Yuri faction kills infantry normally
Bullets win over spooky fire magic. What a big surprise.
initiates only become powerful when they enter a building and fire from inside. Otherwise they are really bad due to their low firing rate.
desolators vs virus
How about initiates with cloning vat, 1000 high firepower Infantry vs 1000 high HP Infantry
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This is what armed forces ads should be like
I always found the initiates scary. :(
Guess what? They got fired
Conscripts "almost" met their match hahahah.
It's like chemical equilibrium
yes, but garrisoned...
my number like is 500
Conscript have more armor than other infantry.
In lore they wear flak armor
Man really? I was wondering why GI Standard mode and Single Prism tower can’t kill a conscript
@@ZaiKerizm Yes. Conscripts can survive a single shot from a SEAL, whereas GIs and Initiates cannot.
Yes conscript can survive 1 shot from prism tower
Eat it, nerds.
Initiates' "weeeeeh" sound has always been so comical
Vee will bury them
Conscripts are the best units in the whole of c and c
Chadscripts
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Did you try one on one instead two conscript
that is why there is cold war in the world
Initiates have good damage against structures
when quantity beats quality.
Next: 10 bunkers with initiates vs 120 conscripts
Conscripts with v3
Accordong to the results,
Deployed G.I. > Conscript >> Initiate
right?
Elite conscripts beats elite deployed Gi if i remember correctly
@@QuentinousX13 The case is slightly different depending on the situation.
Depend on context. Conscripts are much better at clearing static defense structures and much more useful in tank fight than GI due to better armor and cheaper cost. You basically get 250 total HP with better armor on top for 200 credit with conscript compared to GI with only 125 hp, no armor for the same 200 credit.
@@windwindy5356 But what if you think about it in terms of firepower in tank fight?
Considering damage, ROF, warhead, and firing range,
100 deployed GIs' fire power is more than twice as strong as 200 conscripts' against tanks.
@@QuentinousX13 in your dream stop crying 1 year old kid
A very surprising result. I think I will rely more on conscripts in the game
People had been rushing conscripts and Rhino for years now
Sniper vs Tank Destroyer, when?