Is this Guzzi's best ever Bike ? Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello
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- Опубликовано: 3 май 2023
- We take out the magnificent V100 on the wonderful roads of North Wales.
The Lemon Drizzle boys are out again in the beautiful spring weather an a bike that we all reckon is one of the best bikes we have ever ridden. 
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That was a very useful set if insights. I don't want a demo of the rider modes, the dashboard and all that. I just want to know how it feels, and you guys made that abundantly clear. Exactly the kind of content I enjoy most. Thank you.
Thanks thats what we try and do there are loads of other channels that cover all the gizmos
Just like ageing hippies we are all about the vibe man 😀
Thanks for watching Mike
I really like the V100, but man, it just looks so much better in the green/gold colour scheme.
Totally agree
It's green and silver. The gold wheels that were shown on the Verde S model in many early videos didn't make it to production, they are reserved for the base models for some reason.
@@kingkrimson8771 Perhaps as the S has gold stanchions, Guzzi didn't want to have too much gold on the bike.
I have a V7 850 in Centenario colours, which I like very much.
Having ridden a base model V100 in March, I am undecided whether to buy one; I may ask the dealer for another test ride.
Hi Guy's, I really enjoy the group & your efforts in creating these nice videos for us. Being 71.5yy., I guess that I would fit in your group except for the accent. However I cannot get along with the times & all of the changes. I'm stuck in a time warp called the past. I own a 1999 M.G. Cal Bassa, a 2007 M.G. Cal Vintage, & I also pull a Bushtec trailer behind my Vintage. Included with all of this I have my wife as a passenger. My wife has me on a strict regiment of vitamins for years now which has contributed to my excellent health. These things can change over night when you get to our age, but as long as things stay as they are I will continue with same program. I'm not knocking technology as to each their own. A week ago I did purchase another bike which is a Kawasaki W800. Yep- old school looking just like me & I love it!!! You all have a beautiful day-cheers mate! Illinois, USA
+Larry Wade thanks Larry glad you are enjoying the videos you too have a beautiful day
You don't change Guys, epic! You are also so very privileged having roads like that on the doorstep, I'm limited to an Island only 35 by 13 with no speed limit yet whenever I get to your Island with those roads, the smile-a-mile meter goes berserk!!!
A thoroughly decent way to spend 30 mins or so...love the table-top banter, keep it going chaps. Cheers
Why thank you, glad you enjoyed it
Nice review, interesting conclusions and it certainly looks like a competitor for the R1250R and RS models. The S version is very appealing and looks lovely. I agree that it sounds nicer than the boxer engines but I'd bet most people wouldn't be disappointed with either an R1200/1250 or a V100 Mandello. They're both superb bikes. Strangely, the R1250RS and 1200 versions are considered to be the best BMW road bikes ever made yet they're still very much under the radar. They've been largely unappreciated since the LC models were first released but more people do now seem switched onto them. The Mandello has definitely moved things on a generation for Guzzi. If I had room for another bike in the garage, it would be a V100 Mandello
Thank you, gentlemen, for your entertaining reviews even though I'm out of your league. I had a thing for old cars but they are big, use a lot of space. So, 3 years ago I decided to have a go at motorbikes and bought a Guzzi Cardellino 73cc 1962. Never ridden a bike before, it was a thrill😊l. I'm overhauling it (fuel tank, carburetor, tyres, chain) and trying to bring it back to life. Thanks for the videos, no point in wishing I'd started earlier whith bikes.
What a beauty… and smooth jazz to close the piece - nice.
Brilliant video gentlemen! Thank you!
Missed you guys. Glad your back. Looking forward to more.
Great to see you back chaps. Excellent review and post ride discussion. Guzzi have a real winner on their hands
Seen a few reviews of the Mandello & they've all been ultra positive-- I really like the bike & would seriously consider getting one if I had the room, my shed is chock a block, all the best guys👍
Love hearing the convo where everyone gives their thoughts at the table. Beautiful bike. Saw one the other day. Out of my budget for now, but I sure do love my V7.
What a lovely looking motorcycle with such a fantastic sound. Thanks for sharing.
Brilliant to see you back
Love this channel
Fantastic ride and review
Look forward to seeing your classic rides
All the best Phil
Thanks Phil
wandered into A and D ‘s, some weeks ago, to see what all the fuss is about , only to have the keys dangled at me. Best bike I’ve ever ridden ?……..it needed a very short test ride to emphatically confirm just that !
Need to put into context ……previously owned steeds include Kawasaki ZZR 1100, supercharged Ninja SX , Aprilia Tuono factory , MV Turismo , not to mention two Guzzi’s etc etc
Never felt so at one with a machine in such a short space of time ….. and yes , it made one immediately want to disappear to the south of France ….. well Italy actually .
Great video …. with sensible comments and observations . Well done 👌
P.S. What an engine …. more like a turbine !
They are very accommodating bunch at A&D.
Just when I had gotten Italy mostly out of my head (hey, I'm among thec *Vespisti* so it ain't essy), but here you go, with your usual unalloyed passion. Well worth the time to watch!
We bought a Mandello exactly like this one about a month ago and absolutely love it! Beautiful, characterful. It goes perfectly with our 2015 Multistrada 1200
Awesome guy's cheers 👍🏻
Pleased to see you back guys,this new guzzi,, looks great, handling,performance I have owned 2,guzzis,a new 1000s and a 1100 sport Injection, regards Michael ,Derbyshire harley-davidson softail deluxe owner 8
Nice review, agree on everything. Extremely elegant, well designed motorcycle, beautiful engine and superb handling. Unique motorcycle, Guzzi really nailed it..
You guys are killing me. I almost convinced myself that after 40 years of owning everything from Velocettes to Vespas, I didn't need one of these in my life. Now I'm torn. The only problem may be the seat height and the knee spacing problem. I own a LeMans and after about ten Kms Its like a medieval torture device. Pain in the hips and knees hitting the cylinder heads. The Mandello does have a higher seat option which may ease the pain in my hips. Thanks for the best review I've seen so far.
At just over 6 ft I found my knees weren't even close to hitting the jugs when I sat on one in the showroom.
@@kingkrimson8771 Thanks for that. I'm just over six foot as well. Haven't had a chance to ride one as they are not available here yet.
First time to this channel - a really sound post ride debrief Gents!
Thanks, will be looking at your back catalogue now.
Enjoy you viewing, there is something for everyone hopefully.
I’m going have to look into this one
Fantastic to see a review of the bikes in motion (filmed from another vehicle). Thank you for making these great vids!
Thanks thats a camera on the front and rear of my old Multistrada
We have q a bit of footage from it should I add more in future ?
@@LemonDrizzleGang I think it's great, because it shows an angle that is seldom seen in videos, but in real life, that is how the bike and rider are mostly seen. Also, it's really helpful that you included the rider height. It something reviewers often overlook, but is critical when deciding how the bike might fit a given viewer. Thanks again!
Oh 😲 no that Ross went down I went down 8months ago & lucky to survive but back on bike now.What a great bike & love how they've put the header pipe straight down not forward like all other Guzzi.
Great review. I especially liked the comparison with the Griso ("It is the Griso you always wanted it to be"). I don't think I will get rid of my mighty Griso soon (or ever) but your remarks made the Mandello a bit more tempting.
Guys, that was a fantastic review.
Thank you
Fantastic review. I'm about 1500 miles in on my white V100. Can't disagree with anything you or your riding buddies say about it. It's superb, Guzzi have got it spot on.
Speedy recovery Russ
I like you guys love Moto Guzzi's, but I too can't help but think Honda did it all in the late 70's early 80's with the CX500 /650 and turbo range, obviously they didn't handle like this V100 but they were still great bikes in their day. I actually still ride a cx500 (1978) and a Moto Guzzi Bellagio (2007) and both never fail to put a smile on my face when I ride them. I did contemplate trading my Bellagio for a new V7 850 but came to my senses and just put a V7 tank and seat on my Bellagio as it was a far cheaper option. Maybe when the V100 becomes available on the used market I might have to have a serious think about one. Keep up the great reviews, always look forward to seeing them.
Agree. Great review of a great bike and yes the CX ( I've got two) was an advanced machine in 78. My similar aged R100 is agricultural by comparison to a CX which was less than half the price of the BM.
Great review and follow up chat gents. I have put 200 miles on my ‘S’ Mandello and haven’t been disappointed. My screen doesn’t work properly (goes up but not down), and the heated grips warm summer gloves, but not sure how good they will be in the summer. I had a Griso back in 2012 and missed it enough to get the V100. It definitely fills that Griso hole in my life.
I have always liked how Moto guzzi still looks like a normal motorcycle and not something designed by a drunken Japanese anime. The hydraulic valve adjustment eliminates the need for valve adjustment . Wissenschaft drive you don't have the needless expense of change and sprockets. Basically all you have to do is change the oil and gearbox fluid and final drive and you're done. I love the fact that all of the factory workers demanded that Moto guzzi stay in the original factory in lake mondello in Italy. Like tecate it is a real Italian bike made in Italy. In China like the so-called Benelli
The Guzzi factory is in Mandello del Lario, on Lake Como.
It is interesting how beauty is in the eye of the beholder because as a older Guzzi owner this new one looks like every other half styled adventure bike with a big bulbous front area , to me it looks like a Honda cb500x with a old Honda v-twin fitted, tricky little airfoils do not make a bike innovative. Having said that I’m sure it is lovely to ride and if they have managed to keep some of the character then it may be a great bike. At $30K or there about here in Australia, it will want to be. Guzzi’s issue here is the lack of dealers , almost none outside of the biggest cities so it’s a real pain when managing the running in and servicing of of new bike or parts and help for older ones. Until they fix this they will be distinctly second tier here. My nearest is over 300 klm away and I live in the Capital!
Interesting comment because Guzzi famously has done what are in my opinion the ugliest bikes from any manufacturer simply to fit in with the fake Harley cruiser scene. They've also pigeon holed themselves with their weezy V7's for marketing so I look at anything Guzzi does in modern times with skepticism. I've owned a mid 70's 1st series 850 Le Mans for nearly 20 years now, have owned a Magni kitted V11 Sport and have ridden plenty of Griso's and these are the bikes Guzzi needs to return to. The past decade Guzzi has lost their way so hopefully this Mandello foots that bill. I also own Ducati's and they consistently foot that bill for customers and fans which Guzzi hasn't.
This bike doesn’t have hydraulic valve adjustment.
@@FrancisLukesh Really l thought that the new models had hydraulic valve adjustment.
V7 rider here from Australia. Thanks for the great review! When you get back to reviewing older bikes again, please do one the Bellagio.
Would love to but very few around in the UK
Just subbed off the back of this am looking at this bike 👍🏻
i am a huge Guzzi fan, but really like the R1250RS too. Both great.
Great to see a new video out, and I’m glad chose the Guzzi V100 to come back with.
I think it looks a breath of fresh air from the ‘space ship’ looking offerings from other manufacturers. I’m not a fan of the aero, or the exhausts coming out of the sides rather than the front of the cylinders. Other than that, I think it’s a cracking looking bike, and I’d buy one if I could. I’d be interested in how a pillion would fair comfort wise on a trip, after all, that’s what sports tourers used to be all about.
Keep up the good work.
+Peter Brewer I had a brief sit in the pillion but not enough to make any conclusions it felt comfy enough but I havnt been a pillion for a very long time
@@LemonDrizzleGang thanks for that 👍🏻
Good job there gents.
Top video. I am a slightly plump middle aged bloke who likes bikes, so I have subscribed. I'm pondering a V100, R1250RS and Multistrada V2 for my next bike.
I have ridden them all depending on your size (height) give the desert x a go I much preferred it to the V2 multi which I found a bit cramped
Great engine
TBH any of your three would be a fantastic bike
Test ride and good luck 👍
Quite liked this video review concept, no script and biker’s talking bike ❤️
Once I pass my A1 test im gonna be selling my Gladius and putting in a order for one of these.
I used my bike to go back and fourth to work so I will get the S model as I feel I will get more use out of the gadgets
But don’t like any of the S model colours, I want the pearl white one, I wonder if I ask nicely enough I might be able to make that happen
Wow, great chat boys. I especially appreciated the comparison to the V85tt and adv bikes in general. More comfortable than an adv to ride long distance too?? Wow.
Funnily enough both the lads with V85TT have decided to wait and se what the new Stelvio will be like before making a call
They build soul into Italian bikes
Sounds like a lovely bike, but I"ve just had my Griso remapped: wow. Torque.
Long live Moto Guzzi. I wonder what other offerings Guzzi will do with that new power train? Great review.
Well done gents great review, great chat as always and a superb bike , keep up the good work , are you having a bike meet this year?
+Duncan Machell not this year maybe next it has been a hectic 6 months for us
What a beautiful exhaust note, I could listen to that all day. One of the biggest disappointments of the new RE super meteor 650 is the std exhaust note. Great video 👍the only thing I would like to see a walk around to get a closer look and some specs on the bike .
That has been noted re the walk around I didn’t include it or the specs as there is soo much info on the internet and we really wanted to focus on our impressions
Great video as always guys, good to see you back .Would have loved a longer walk around just to get an even better look at the styling,i'll have to take a spin out to A&D bikes for a closer look .I love it in white which would not my default choice .The only styling feature that looks odd ,on a Guzzi , to me is the side exit exhaust.Sounds like they have a winner on their hands there.
You can be in charge of the walk arounds in the Kawasaki video we do
@@LemonDrizzleGang gulp !
@@garethjones8636 no pressure 🤣🤣
Great roads - very similar to NZ rural back roads!! Sheep paddocks and wire fences, and views either side of the tar seal. You mentioned Australian V8 Supercars, Holdens etc - loved the comparison!! A bike I rode in the late 70's and early 80's, did around 10 - 15,000 miles on her was a Yamaha triple cylinder, shaft drive XS750 2D - there were improved variants, the E & F models with better brakes and smoother engine characteristics. Can you find one in the old classics somewhere? Graeme, NZ
Thanks Graeme I spent 25 years in aus and also lived for 3 months in Aukland, really like NZ
Funnily enough I have a friend rebuilding a silver first model XS750 at present that we will feature one he is done
Cheers Mike
@@LemonDrizzleGang Mine was a Silver with Blue trim, 3 into 2 I think. There was a 3 into 1 earlier model.
EVERY MOTORCYCLIST ON THIS PLANET THAT HAS WHITE HAIRS { LESS OR MORE } ON HIS HEAD -- WOULD BE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU MY FRIENDS - THE SAME HAPENS ALSO IN MY COUNTRY !!!!! AND YOU KNOW WHY ???? BECAUSE WE ARE THE LAST REAL MOTORCYCLISTS THAT GROW WITH REAL BIKES FOR REAL MEN !!!! ITS REALLY A WONDERFULL BIKE -- GOD BLESS YOU ALL !!!!!!
Had a few Guzzi over the years. Spent my pension on an S model last September
How are you enjoying it we are eagerly awaiting the new Stelvio
I have a Mandello S on order, it should arrive towards the end of May. Sitting on one of the base models in a dealer's showroom I also found the seat-to-peg dimension a little cramped (I'm six foot one) so I have ordered the accessory high heated seat - which, for an OEM part, is quite reasonably priced.
By the way, the S model has a couple of additional features that weren't mentioned - TPMS and Guzzi's MIA connectivity app.
MIA connectivity app? , can you be more specific? thank you.
I never liked the look of any MG until this bike. Can't comment on how I would like it since I haven't ridden one .....yet :)
Liked the episode❤
I have the BMW R1250 RS. It is heavier, but it has the centre stand and great luggage options. Too bad that even with am Akro it only whispers.
The RS is a great bike in hindsight I would be hard pushed to choose between the two
Moto Guzzis best ever bike, certainly in terms of style and stunning looks, was the Griso 1200. It’s the one bike I truly regret selling. A truly fun to ride and charismatic machine. Sadly, for me at least, I think the latest Guzzis don’t have that certain cachet, they just look a bit cheap.
Have you seen our Griso review ?
@@LemonDrizzleGang I shall take a look!
“The BEST bike we’ve EVER ridden” Well now, that quite the endorsement knowing the wealth of experience I personally know you all have. Surely then, this is the bike to aspire to. I must admit, when it came out I was sold on the looks, just beautiful. The only thing I’m not keen on is the change on exhaust header position. I understand it gives more room for inlet components, but still, in my opinion, the pipes just don’t look right that way. Great video again chaps. (Just missing a walk around I thought) Also, seems we all give far too much consideration to what ‘her indoors’ thinks. (Hope mine doesn’t read this!)
Yep I missed the walk around and have given myself a severe slap, great to meet up on Tuesday hope you got home ok and the weather was kind to you. Next time we all meet up I will be telling "er indoors" what you said👍👀
@@LemonDrizzleGang Yes, got back home eventually. Got all loaded up on Wednesday morning only to find my rear tyre was flat as a fluke! A local bike shop picked us up and changed the tyre, really good guys only £15 call out.
Haven't had allot of experience with Guzzi what I did experience was of an agricultural nature. Dealers are also VERY scarce here in the colonies.
Boys I think you should all wait hold of the purchase and buy the new V100 Stelvio. I am a BMW man myself and I will aim to buy the new 1300GS but I am really tempted with the new V100 Stelvio 😊
Great vid, but it would be nice to have a good look round it!
+Maxim X noted will include more on future videos thanks
@@LemonDrizzleGang Thanks for the reply,
I'll look forward to them.
My kind of motorcycle. My kind of guys.
I love the looks and sound, but it does remind me of a CX500 or what it could have become. I love Guzzis because they are that bit different.
Hi Guys. Some feedback for you! Based on your review of the Mandello, along with the @MotoBob review, I bought the V100S in Green/Silver with panniers and centrestand and I couldn’t be happier. I’ve got a Le Mans II and a 96 1100 Sport, and this is a way better bike than either of them. Does everything so well. Thanks for the fine and balanced review. “It’s a Guzzi, Jim, but not as we know it…”
Really pleased to hear we helped your decision
Hope you have many happy miles on your V100 (just wish I had one)
Guzzi have never tempted me since I sold my mkl and mklll Le Mans. Was hoping the Mandello might be the one but Im not sold on the looks. Do away with the gimmicky 'wings', style it like a modern Le Mans and they'd have a winner.
Give us the LeMans version............... whilst a vast improvement on the Guzzi's of the last 20 years in the styling department its still way off. Get Ghezzi Brian to do the styling FFS. Won't be selling my MGS-01, or LeMans Mk1 for this........ maybe the Nevada though...
Had a nice cup of caffeine Victoria's sandwich bar on Parkgate front and noticed copious amounts of home madw Lemon Drizzle Cake. You need to get over this side a bit
+Peter Griffiths one of the LDG lives not far from there will have to do a wirral run
@@LemonDrizzleGang let me know, I'd love to meet you all
I had the V7 and loved it, but always said it needs another 50hp. Im going to take a look at this one especially as A&D is only up the road.
+Mystery Biker you will love it, the road the filming was done on was the one from Bylchau by to Llansannan
@@LemonDrizzleGang i had been observing this bike for a while but you guys have really sold it to me. I actually like the red (will be selling my red ducati supersport) and that is the cheaper option too without all the electronic stuff. I bought the supersport over the supersport S as no interest in quickshifter or ohlins, i couldnt tell the difference and sounds like same applies here, ie base model is good enough. My new bike boxes that need ticking are v twin, shaft drive, sounds good stock, italian, single sided swing arm, heated grips and seat (i see they do heated comfort seat), adjustable screen, all day comfort but sporty looking, different from everything else and not a GS! This appears to tick all of them. Thanks again, i was struggling with new bike decision until i saw this. Has Ritchie left a&d?
@@mysterybiker1717 Ritchie left about 6 weeks ago started up his own business transporting bikes. Stew (from our video) is working there at the weekends
Go and see Stew he will sort you out for a ride
Excellent multi review, thanks. You mentioned everything I look for in a bike, especially the slower speed fuelling. Having a test ride soon but my choice would be the white non S as I don't want the quick shifter but would probably put a Maxton shock and Oxford heated grips straight on. If I did like it, it would join my CX650 Turbo Twin, my St1100 V4 and VFR750. Felt like I was sat at that table with you. ☺
Thank you I have been a fan of your videos for ages. Regards Mike
@@LemonDrizzleGang Thanks for watching Mike. ☺
I had a ride on this very bike today and really liked it,the only problem I had was the acute angle of my knee,following knee surgery I can only bend my right knee 90 degrees,I'm looking at solutions,maybe a peg lowering kit might work? If I can sort this minor niggle out then it will definitely be a contender for next summers new toy,many thanks to Stuart from A&D
I was there today when you were talking to Stewart, I was doing an “alternative to a classic” review on the black Z650RS
Guzzi are coming out with a Stelvio version (adv type bike like the V85tt) that may fit you better
Apparently it will be announced at the EICMA show
@@LemonDrizzleGang The Stelvio looks stunning!
after a longer test ride I agree with the very positive review. Just one thing that really disturbed me : The initially comfortable seat position becomes uncomfortable after a while, because it is sort of "locked" . You can't really move forward or backward. Maybe it's my too old back, but anyway : Did you guys ride it longer time, more than 1h?
No but be owned Grisos that do the same thing
I think this is how the great Le Mans would look today if it never went out of production
Thanks in part to you guys I now have the wonderful V100S in my garage. How many of the Drizzle Gang have bought them so far?
None yet but 2 are waiting eagerly for the Stelvio
What a great review! I would like to ask a question regarding the seat position since I got a problem with a straightening neck. I ride a v7 Racer for my daily occasions and really loving it!! But the problem is long tours may cause some serious pains with my neck because of the sporty seating position.. so that now I m looking for a second bike which can take me touring with comfort and without any pains on my neck..I m really curious about your point of view, what would you say for the burden on the neck on long tours ? Cheers from Istanbul .. have fun!!
Hi I found it very comfortable I am 180cm (5ft11)
It will be more comfortable than a V7 Racer less sporty but not as upright as an Adventure bike its a bike I could easily tour Europe on
Best bet is have a test ride on one.
@@LemonDrizzleGang thanks a lot!! 🥂🙋♂️
I just bought a Navale V100 three weeks ago. A gree with you on the neck problem as I suffer from arthritis in my neck. I found that the riding position was harder on my forearms. I installed ROX adjustable 18:30 risers which has made the riding position and comfort superb. It is also the best bike I have ever ridden, my Audace was pretty good but this is far better. I had to put later bars on the Audace to make it comfortable for my wrists. I also have a V7, a lll Special. Good bike but totally different than the Mandello, night and day. I wasn't thrilled with any of the colors but when I saw the Navale, it was all over, I trade my T120 for it.
@@karlbishop7481 Thank you so much! As I heard changing the seat with the lower one could also be one of the solutions .. I will be checking out the ROX you mentioned. So there is no pain anymore ; really good to hear ! Enjoy your v100! Cheers
Thanks for the reviews, really enjoying your videos. I am local to A&D (Mold) and called in to look at the V100, lovely bike but currently out of my price range
Have you had any experience with the V85TT that you can share?
Yes we have a lot currently two of us own v85TTs (Richard sold his to downsize to a Fantic Cabalerro)
The V85 was used as the camera bike for a lot of the videos
When the Stelvio arrives we will do a comparison with the V85TT
We love the TT it is q superb bike
Go and see Stewart at A&D (Denbigh) he will sort you a test ride (he is one of the LDG)
@@LemonDrizzleGang thanks for your reply, have called in A&D super helpful in there
I think I am probably looking at a V7 for an easier affordable way to get back into it but am keeping an open mind
@@stephenparry-jones5608 have you seen our v7 reviews
750 V7 ruclips.net/video/MDF0cD9TAEo/видео.html
850 V7 ruclips.net/video/zQX1gOMiskg/видео.html
What a bike….a modern Moto Guzzi with enough power, torque, shaft drive and hydraulic tappets. What’s not to love. Hmnnn, electronics so so dash and winglets…who needs winglets? Rant over…it’s still a glorious bike and far more charming than a BMW. Might need a test ride.
I will have the green one thanks would have sell my Honda 500x and my Toyota but it would be worth it
Brilliant stuff chaps, Mike, (or maybe Dave if he is the technical expert of the gang) maybe you can clear something up for me. I've been looking at pictures and online reviews, both written and video ride reviews of the v100 Mandelo with great interest ever since reading Dave Richardson's excellent article about it that i sent to you, but one thing is bothering me and i hope you can clarify for me. That is the back end. I haven't managed to find any cutaway pictures or technical drawings, so i'm only judging from pictures of the outside, but it looks to me like a rigidly mounted final drive like the Tonti frame Guzzis, pre spine frame, pre-carc frame, which seems a real backward step to me. As you know I've been a big fan of floating drive box Guzzis for 30+ years since riding a Magni, then 25 years ago i built my own monoshock floating drive box Guzzi based on pictures i'd seen of the Daytona race bike, Jim Blomley Tonti framed race bike, Raceco Chris Clarke Tonti framed race bike, it worked brilliantly. Years later i bought a used 1100 sport which also worked brilliantly, and just a few weeks ago, as you know i bought a cheap do-er-upper Griso 1100 which is my first experience of the carc back end, and that has been a revelation, fantastic handling bike, on my first test ride i deliberately tried my best to upset it and get the shaft drive to misbehave, but try as i might it was flawless, i could take the tight bends on a twisty coastal road i know faster and with more confidence than i can on my brilliant Ducati Multistrada 1000 or Ducati m900!!! But looking at the Mandelo v100 it looks like it is more like an update of the old LeMans Tonti type swing arm with one u/j at the front and the drivebox and swing arm all one rigid piece. I see no torque arm or movable joint between the final drive and swing arm. Am i wrong, is there a floating arrangement in there or has Guzzi gone back to shaft jacking of old albeit with maybe less effect thanks to the much longer swing arm?
OK, so Mike asked me to answer this one Ion, thanks Mike! As I understand it, yes you are correct, there is no anti jacking linkage as in the Spine frames and CARC equipped Guzzis. And yes, it does rely partly on the longer swing arm. However I would add 4 additional points.
1/ The swing arm is MUCH longer than, say, the 1100 sport and V11 spine frames (I've owned both) which were regarded as too short by current standards (quoted in a Cycle World test of the Scura for example). This is due to the shorter block in the v100 (4 inches shorter than say the V85 even), and also the pivot point is on the block, not the frame.
2/ The pivot point of the swing arm (from the block) is lower, I haven't worked out why this lessens the jacking effect, but it does!! You probably understand this better than me?
3/ Having ridden the v100 (and the v85 which I own) I would say the dynamics of these bikes are so far ahead of even the CARC generation (I've owned a Griso - good, and a 1200 Sport - let down by cheap suspension), and especially the spine frames (which are fine on smooth roads but a handful on anything bumpy in my experience), it's untrue! So jacking, even if it still exists, really doesn't enter the picture.
4/ When I replaced a faulty clutch pushrod in Mike's old Griso, I was shocked how much the CARC unit weighed, unsprung weight at that. I am guessing the final drive units on the V100 and v85 are half the weight, just a guess, So summary, it all works whatever the theory and these late generation guzzis are truly lovely handling bikes, try one, there is no downside handling wise.
@@waveydavey750 Hi Dave, thanks for your answer, and yes i guessed the jacking must be negligible if present at all or you would have mentioned it, knowing as i do that you're a quick rider and experienced with Guzzis from your t3 cali to the Griso 8v. I agree the swing arm length and also ratio of swing arm length to wheelbase must make a huge difference. I suspect you are right about the weight and especially unsprung weight of the CARC system being a factor in why it was not adapted for the v100. i have had dozens of Guzzis and one of the 3 I currently have is a highly modified 1975 s3 (race tuned 950 motor, more modern front end, 4.5x17 rear wheel etc etc...) and rode it again about a week ago after riding the new to me griso 1100 a few times and really enjoying that, i was expecting my old 's3' to be a disappointment but it really wasn't, if anything it felt even quicker than the Griso (not in twisty bends) and i wondered if that could be in part the lighter reciprocating mass in the motor (lightened crank, alloy timing gears, very light clutch) and the immediate effect of the pumper carbs verses the Griso efi... then i considered over all weight, so weighed my 's3' and with a nearly full tank it was just 200kg (despite me building it more for comfort than lightness) which is a lot lighter than the Griso, looking at the Griso i couldn't see where all that extra weight could be... we're talking 30 or 40kg!!! so i guessed (not having had one apart) that the whole carc back end must be much heavier than i realised. given my love of Guzzis for the last 35 years and the way you all raved about the v100 i think you're right, i'll have to get a go on one soon, though can't see me getting one for a few years til they become an affordable second hand proposition. for now i'll keep enjoy the 3 Guzzis and 3 Ducati powered bikes i have and see what i can do about making the Griso go even better. cheers, keep up the good work, Ion.
I would love to have one but there are no MG dealers even close and the supply is limited to the S model over the
Pond. I have a BMW 1150RS which I modified for more leg room and higher bars, I would have to do the same with the MG, but even though they say you can get bags, they don’t have them. In the end I will get a BMW R1250RT. I have my 850 Commando for short trips, it feels tiny and clickable compared to new bikes.
+Steve Baron Have you seen our Commando Test ?
Yes,very nice bike, I went from the sleeved 13 mil front master to a complete Brembo master, four pot caliper and floating disc. I put a CNW electric start kit and head steady. I do not like the Dave Taylor unit, the connection to the small head support bar it poor. I also put Lansdowne adjustable damping forks and Ikon adjustable damping shocks. My candy paint is a richer deep cranberry with painted fenders and Dunstall fairing.
I think I will have to make another test ride again. I rode the S model and the clutch feel was really awful, even the Guzzi mechanic thought so. But you guys did not mention that, so I guess you did not have any problems with the clutch, did you?
No clutch was smooth as silk on this one
Ah finally someone has mentioned the clutch feel, I have a red V100 with 875 miles and the clutch has a odd mechanical clatter feeling through the lever at slow speed control, almost as though the lever is dry of grease, and the clutch mechanism has a loose set of clutch plates when you feather the clutch at slow manoeuvres, it’s agricultural, fast gear changes on the move you don’t notice it, but if you turn the engine off and pull in the clutch it’s buttery smooth, so I can only put it down to the mechanics of the clutch passing it’s way through the hydraulics and into the lever.
One other oddity for me is the the clutch has a slight delay in biting when you release the lever between gear changes, as if the biting point is slowly brought back in, I find it almost dim witted and I have had to slow down my gear changes to hide the lazy clutch release.
Lastly, I went to my local dealer to try the clutch feel on their demo, and it felt the same at tick over, a horrible clatter feeling through the lever in neutral at idle, so it’s not just my bike, their demo was a S model.
I hope others can comment
Hi.....love your reviews......I'm a 6foot 2 inch lump, with knackered hip and back. I ride a speedmaster due to my limitations, but i fancy a second machine, with a bit more fun...nicer handling in corners....i pillioned on a MK11 le'mans many years ago, never forgot it......
so, my question..is there a guzzi to fit me?
V85TT and the 1200Stelvio and the new upcoming V100Stelvio
@@LemonDrizzleGang many thanks, will look....
@@TheKawicol Dave had a 1200 Stelvio bit it is quite a heavy bike
Another to look at is the 1200 Breva
I am 6 foot with a bad back and had a Griso that fitted me
We have a video on that have a look at that one it may suit
Thanks for waatching
Mike
Does the moto buzzing also have the torque twist under heavy acceleration? In a bmw 1250 the whole bike reacts to the torque, in a turn it either pulls you into the Tuen or out of the turn.
Well we are all very experienced Moto Guzzi and BMW owners from the 1970s to the modern ones
The torque twist is only noticeable at a standstill
I disagree with you re the turning you into and out of a turn, I have done thousands of miles on both marques (including very agressive riding on the track) i have never encountered crank rotation affecting handling. I have heard people talking about it but its an urban myth
have a look at our Moto Guzzi Griso test we discuss it there
Just another thought about the styling of the V100, don't you think it looks a little like the Moto Guzzi's of the late 1980's to early 90's e.g 750 Targa, LeMans Mk5 etc? I actually think this was a period where Guzzi got the styling wrong. Hopefully It's not the case with the V100.
The winglets are the only letdown for me. It seems to be such a nice bike in every measure ... no gimmicks are needed. I haven't seen a review that included rain riding ... maybe that's where they make a difference, but I'm pretty skeptical. Thanks for the review!
+MadChalet BIKE Magazine to a test in the wet
Can the heated grips be added to the standard v100 as an option?
yep....the standard is what I opted for because I like the red as I'd had a few Le Mans in the past. And the suspension is fine for my style of riding. Great bike. I added cylinder protectors and radiator protector too.
With the exhaust exiting from the side instead of the front I think the sale of some kind of crash bars might increase a little. Or some very gutted owners.
Maybe I’m behind the times somewhat. Since when did service costs escalating to a reported £890 become acceptable?
For the rest of my time I’ll make do with my v1000 g5 which I can fully service for a song at home and still think is a more handsome and just as capable a machine.
More of the old stuff please.
Cant argue with that
You're all old chaps like me but doesn't anyone prefer a lower set of handlebars like straight or raised clip-ons ? I drive a Targa and a Quota and for good road riding I prefer a sporty position.
No we are too old and creaky 😀 actually have a look at our Laverda test that has lower bars and we love that
Shame the gold wheels aren't on the S version.
Moto guzzi these are going to be one of the last motorcycles that will be rebuildable as opposed to a japanese-style bilt motorcycle which is designed to run until it explodes and then you have to buy a new motorcycle 🏍️
Monster 900ie vs v100 ?🔥✊
i have an Aircooled Multistrada
We are planning a test of Adv bikes when the stelvio appears
It's more helpful to know your inseam than your height
+Ronald Thomas 32 inches
No good for me then, I'm 6'2" with a 36" inseam.
@@fazerguy5654 Dang them are some long pipes. They do have a high seat option but that still might not be enough for you.
Photoshopped sky surely!!!😊
+james john no all real, that was are one day of allocated summer in Wales 🤣👍
I always thought it was against the law to have a nice day in England. Hahaha. It is a shame that all the places that have beautiful scenery to ride around in our up to their ass and snow for half the year but that's the way it goes I guess
+Frank Markovci Jr aaah that is because we are in Wales where the sun shines all year round
Every day is a nice day where I live.😊🏴😀
@@LemonDrizzleGang Saturday 6th of May was International Ducati Day. I had the pleasure of riding through the picturesque Welsh countryside in some of the worst weather I have been out in years. At least I missed all the razzmattaz of King Big Ears pantomime!
You cannot say that the Guzzi is as good as the BMW r1250RS, because the 1250 has 28 mor BHP and puts it down on the road. Plusthe BMW has a better front suspension.
Using your reasoning a Hayabusa would be the best bike in the world
Why is the suspension better on the BMW ?
Ok..........the exhaust (I know the engineers probably have some excuse). It looks like a withered arm. It should exit the front per tradition and aesthetics. I am surprised not to have seen any other comments about this. Come on you are Italian.
The exhausts exit that way to aid breathing if the engine as per the newer bmw boxers
So it oroduces power meets emissions etc…
Is it made in china?
No amazingly the hint is in the name … Mandello del Lario this bike is made in the historic Moto Guzzi factory on the shores of lake Como
Thats Italy
The new touring adv bikes like the GS, Noreen and now the Stelvio are still a better choice for touring
Most of us in this video own adventure bikes multistrada, V85TT etc we are keenly awaiting the stelvio
It's not a GAAAAAAAAZI.
Nobody said it was
The only bad thing about this video is the way they say guzzi lol.
It cant be Guzzi’s best bike as it lacks the character of the early 80ies big blocks.
It still retains a good dollop of character of the old 70s bigblocks see our review of the T3 California
Not difficult.
Not a Guzzi fan ?
Just rode a guzzi for the first time in my life. Um 😐 sorry not impressed worst bike I’ve ever ridden 😅
+Ducaduke what bike
Well if you have only ridden two and your other one is an Egli Vincent fair enough..........
Like us Guzzi guys say "you will either love it or hate it." No offense taken, we understand.
Hey guys, I watched this video when you first posted it. I was very interested in this new bike when I first heard about it. I had an Audace which I really liked, it handled surprisingly well considering the rake and trail. But slow speed, walking speed, was absolutely terrible, so bad for me that I had to trade it off. I replaced it with T120 which was a nice bike but vibration bothered me on long tours. I wasn't too thrilled with the Mandello colors even though the white looked great in pictures but in person was kind of blah. I walked into the dealership almost a month ago, there was a Navale on the floor. It popped for me and now I have it, three weeks ago. I think you guys hit the nail on the head with your review especially low speed stability. Maybe its the big bake wheel and tire, gyroscopic force? It is so stable at just barely moving speeds. I thought my T120 was good but the Mandello blows it away. Another thing is that cornering at speed is excellent no mid-turn corrections required. The suspension is quite stiff but not harsh but it will probably soften up with a few more miles. The shifting has been hard mainly in the first three gears. I could not get it to shift into neutral from first or second at first at a stop but it is getting better. Most Guzzi transmissions are clunky at first but get better as miles pile up. I did have to put risers under the handlebars for more comfort for my old worn out body but that is it. I will put engine guards on it though to protect it from drop.
I am not sure if its the best of Guzzi's bikes, however I am pretty sure that its the ugliest by far...
I think the Centauro takes that accolade by a country mile