Webinar on gain staging, Tips and Tricks with HoRNet Plugins
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- In this recorded webinar, Saverio shares his expertise on gain staging for mixing sessions. He explains the importance of proper gain staging and demonstrates how to achieve it using three powerful HoRNet plugins: HoRNet VU Meter, HoRNet TheNormalizer, and HoRNet LU Meter. Saverio walks through the features of each plugin and shows how to use them in a practical mixing scenario. Whether you're a beginner or an experienced mixer, this webinar provides valuable insights and techniques to take your mixing skills to the next level.
In this webinar we used:
HoRNet VU Meter MK4: www.hornetplug...
HoRNet LU Meter MK2: www.hornetplug...
HoRNet TheNormalizer: www.hornetplug...
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I found this video very informative and useful, thank you.
Thank you very much! We do webinars once a month if you want feel free to join them!
just discovered you today. great plugins.
Thank you very much! do you already have a favourite?
It was enlightening. Thank you for all the technical explanations and practical demonstrations. I find your approach to audio mixing refreshing, taking into account both the digital and analogue worlds.
You are welcome :) the fact is that digital takes away many complications of the analog world, but if the analog sound is what you are after you have to approach digital as you were using analog equipment. Have you had a loo to our latest webinar bout our Analog Bundle? there a lot of analog use of digital tools ruclips.net/video/yZ5PvcteKDA/видео.html
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Excellent advice on quite a few fronts.
Thank you very much If you have more question just let me know!
Great one
Thank you 🙏
Great video on Gain Staging. Can you explain how to use the Gate feature on the Normailzer. I noticed you did not adjust it and I'm curious when you might or why it stays and defaults to -60? Thanks!
well the gate is used to avoid that low level signals gets super boosted, so anything below that levels is skipped for gain evaluation. I think -60 is a sensible default for music and speech and I rarely touch it.
Fantastico Saverio!! Davvero tanta stima. Se ti chiedessi, ma quindi sottraggo livello max a livello nominale ed ho la headroom? In caso di reamp chitarre bassi, utilizzeresti lo stesso la tape machine in catena per controllare i picchi?
hmm no aspetta forse non ho capito, un esempio e' piu' facile, l'SSL2 ha: "Max Instrument Input Level: +15 dBu, Max Line Input Level: +24 dBu" significa che se registri con l'ingrosso mic devi mettere -15 con reference nel VU Meter, se invece usi l'ingresso linea devi mettere -24 perché quello e' il livello massimo gestibile dalla parte analogica della scheda. Per quanto riguarda i picchi, beh si puoi usare Tape ed e' perfetto ma tieni presente che ti colora il suono, se vuoi una cosa piu' pulita puoi usare un limite con release cortissima.
@@HoRNetWeb Hai ragione stavo guardando l'output io 😐. Tutto chiarissimo!!! grazie mille Maestro
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Saverio, once again Thank You!
I have a few questions/comments:
A) Did I hear you say that the VU metering in and in are exactly the same?
B) If so, one thing I've always thought, is that VU Meter confuses people because they/we think of a classic swinging needle VU Meter, like the one in Tape. So for VU MK5, could you not ADD the option to view either the current 'bar graph', the 'classic Needle' exactly like the one in Tape, or both?
I believe Many more people would pick it up if it did what VUMT, TB MVMeter, Waves VU, etc already do with the obvious addition of the HoRNet "Automatic Gain Staging" feature (which I think you should start calling HoRNet A.G.S.).
C) Since you have the IPC working for the Group feature, would it be possible to create something else that's been missing since the dawn of DAWs: an actual Meterbridge.
In the Analog world, the 2-Inch Tape Machine -> Console -> 2-Track Tape Machine ALL had VU Meters. We could glance at the Multitrack and see 24 Meters dancing. Look at the top of the board and not only see the levels of every track, but also How they were Moving Together, which I think is something that is unheard of in the DAW generation, but was a fundamental part of "Performing a Mix" on an analog console.
So, knowing what you've already developed, And what is possible from Izotope, Voxengo, Melda, Softube, and more and more year by year, what if I put across all of my tracks, and on say the master track, the looked like the meterbridge on a console with a long row of dancing needles receiving their level from each track.
Then the same idea for HoRNet Tape, except maybe the is 3-rows of 8 meters, like on a 2-inch machine. And two of those side-by-side would make 48-tracks, like in most commercial studios back in the day (forget about the SMPTE sync tracks).
I would LOVE to have a straight row of say 48+ clean VU Meters across the top of one of my monitors, and another whole monitor off to the side fullscreen dedicated to the MTK Meterbridge.
I'm fairly certain all of this is possible, and honestly I think you've already done most of the code. None of this affects audio at all, just makes Viewing what you've already developed much better and more intuitive. Especially for anyone coming from analog. And I don't know of any developer that has gotten this right exactly.
So that lane is wide open.
Hi, well that' a feature I wanted to add sooner or alter but to make it modern instead of a fixed number of VU Meter I need to make each meter adapt in size to the amount of instances available. We were talking some months ago with a professional here in Italy that wanted to create a "meter bridge" plugin or app so I'm pretty sure it'll come in the next version!
@@HoRNetWeb Ahhh… so it Is the right idea! Well, I was assuming that a finite number would be easier than an infinite number, based on what I’ve seen with IPC from other developers.
My request if you Do have to pick finite numbers per instance: PLEASE stick to “audio numbers”, meaning multiples of 8.
Think about real consoles and tape machines, in buckets of 8, 16, 24, 32, 40, 48, 64, etc.
Then think about the monitors that will display the plugin, the majority are 16:9 aspect ratio, and either 1920x1080 or 3840x2160.
I imagine two scenarios:
A) a dedicated FULLSCREEN monitor with 48 or ideally 64 VU Meters all the time. You would develop a kind of muscle memory, and always know where to look to see your levels on any given channel. And see them all at once.
B) a straight row of meters across either the top or bottom of the main GUI monitor. Say you had 16 or 24 meters “pinned” in place, and could bank through buckets of 24 at a time quickly getting to the section you’re working on.
Thanks for the reply.
For me I have far more plugins than I need, but this is something that has been missing for 25 years.
@@HoRNetWeb On a related topic, is there a place, website, book to study what is possible with plugin coding?
For instance, you’ve got plugins that talk to each other, IPC, which is amazing. (A)
But plugins can also communicate with the Host and get say Track Names and Colors, as well as channel level, pan, solo, mute status.
I believe the metering and gain reduction information as well? (B)
But then I have plugins like Softube Console 1 OSD and SSL 360 and UAD Console, that run plugins inside the DAW that communicate with separate applications running outside of the DAW. (C)
All of these developments have truly made the DAW a much more integrated system, that interconnects with the rest of the studio in ways not possible 25 years ago.
I’d love to Read Up on whatever your following to keep up with these developments.
Thanks Brotha!
Hi i have Hornet VU mettre and normalizer and VHS. Evry time i have bug with studio one 5.5
hi for support could you please open a support request on our website www.hornetplugins.com/support/submit-support-request/ please?
I want some simple help. I can't understand the difference of Horner VU meter MK4 vs Normaliser? I want a plugin that automatically helps me gain stage all the incoming signal, so afterwards any plugin like compressor/tape etc, could react properly. Which plugin should I buy so ... Normaliser or Hornet VU Meter mk4 and what's the difference!!!???
Hi both plugin can normalise the signal to a given level, VU Meter only uses VU for normalisation while with TheNormalizer can use dBFS, VU, RMS, or LUFS for the level analysis. It's more complete on the normalisation front but lack metering while VU meter provide metering but only normalises to VU.
So my Behringer uphoria 1820 states that both mic line input are 11dbu. That means I would have to set the VU Meter at -11db, for instrument input the specs are 18dbu so then I would have to switch the VU meter to -18?
exactly you got it right. both are the real headroom for you inputs so use those numbers in the reference of vu meter and make sure you don't go over 0 since especially for the mic inputs you don't have a large headroom
@@HoRNetWeb but then most analog emu plug ins ask for -18db, so is it better to record around those levels, to clip gain it down to -18db?
@@SuchBeautifulFlowers record to the levels your sound card want, then you adjust gain again inside the DAW for the analog emulations. remember that every gain operation inside the daw is perfect since it's just a multiplication while the gain at which you are recording affects noise floor and distortion
@@HoRNetWeb thx
Is it best to place the vu mk4 at the beginning of the chain before any effects processing or after any processing?
Yes, the idea is to get a reading on the level before going into any plug ins or effects. Going in "too hot" (peaking above 0) makes SOME plugs act crazy with a off putting sound as a result. SOME plug ins might react to the hot signal with "more saturation". But generally put it before to gain stage the signal before your applied effects is a good way to keep an eye on head room with out having to reset for each change you make.
You can do both, i would use it as first insert to make sure the analog emulations that follows are fed with the right amount of signal, and you can use it as last to make sure no track is out of lace before the mater bus, but keep in mind that in most DAWS the inserts are pre-fader so if you raise the level with the fader of the daw the reading you get from VU meter as last insert is inaccurate.
Does the VU or Normalizer plugin colour or change the sound in anyway other than lower the volume? Is it safe for use on all tracks? Aliasing etc..
Hi those plugins are perfectly transparent as they only applies gain in their signal path (digitally it means they only do a multiplication.
HORNET - Can you create a plugin that would sit after a plugin that doesn't report PDC and have it automatically calculate PDC then report that PDC?
Hi this can be done in dome way, i'm planning to make a time aligner plugin so it may be a feature!
@@HoRNetWeb Sweet! For your information: Native-Instruments Reaktor is the plugin that doesn't report PDC. It's well known on all the forums that to be a major issue!
Do y'all have a video on using Hornet plugins to help with reference tracks?
Hi we can make one, just let me understand what do you mean exactly
@@HoRNetWeb it's okay, I found that using Total EQ along with Sonible True Balance I was able to achieve my Mastering end goal.
It would be cool, however, if y'all had a A/B plugin like Metric A/B or Reference 2 or Mcompare. I like the Sonible True Balance, but you "can't hear" your reference songs. Total EQ is my go to EQ for both mixing and mastering!
@@HoRNetWeb Out of the 12 Hornet plugins I have bought from you, Total EQ and CLMS are my two favorites!
I still wish that MultiFreqs could communicate with Total EQ to show the conflicts it has on Total EQ screen so you don't have to keep switching screens.
@@GTSongwriter Thank you for the suggestion, I'll have a look to those plugins
@@GTSongwriter That feature is planned for the next major release of Total EQ, because unfortunately there is no way to make two different plugins communicate each other.