Throne & Liberty - Spear Meta will Die in Tier 2 (here's why) Should you Reroll Now?
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- With the Tier 2 expansion to Throne and Liberty we get so many new gear options and it will definitely change the current meta of stacking Spear damage dealers! Here I cover why and give some build examples of what is possible with Tier 2 gear!
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Just a couple of heads up:
1) You are double counting your stats. You are showing off the build with Old Mastery + New Mastery. When you hover over the stats, we can clearly see the double counting. Carefull since everything is inflated..
2) The build also relies on Chaos Purple Runes which are not that easily obtainable. So, those values might be hard to reach for a very long time. It allows to keep the synergy and still have additional evasions you would normally not have.
3) Spear targets are either backlines or tank to ricochet javelins into a big clump. Either of those targets won't be able to stack up enough Melee Evasion to counter spear anyway..
Korea has a lot melee players, either SnS/GS or GS/Daggers. Those will have to keep the spear in check.
It won't be "broken" like in T1 but rest assure Rest of the World will make builds much stronger than what Korea does with the Spear 😉 At the end, we are just a bunch of try harders 😁
just play what you want :D
That's not how MMOs work, dude. If you don't play what's popular or meta, you'll get greifed and ostrosized.
You would know this if you actually played an MMO...
@@allthatishere ur wrong dude xD why should someone play the meta when he sucks at it but is better with his main class ? play what you want to have fun with urself and ur team and guild and enjoy the whole game xD and not enjoy the ,,meta class cause its op blah,,
The meta will always swing. I agree. If you're bored, level new weapons and sets. Otherwise, it's not even fun imo.
You're absolutely right, I'm playing sns/dagger and enjoying it.
Can you guys, PLEASE Stop correcting content creators. I enjoy the spread of misinformation 😂
Let everyone drop spear, please. I enjoyed being one of the only 10 users of spear during its launch.
yes i enjoy youtuber spread of misinformation to let ppl drop spear so we can sweep enemy big blob easier without enemy side doing the same thing haha
yeah, me too XD i'll enjoy being the only one who used javelin inferno on siege XD
you made a video comparing spear and crossbow. Did you consider running spear WITH crossbow though? CC resistance and engage with fear seem nice to get good spin off.
with the hit specialization on sentinels bastion, spear can get a hit in t2 of around 2200 and 2600 (depending how you want to build) which is only around 400 lower than the avg evasion so will spear die? definitely not. it wont suffer much if any at all. that and in the mastery tree you can convert nimble steps to give you even more hit reaching close to 3k hit (around 2800ish)
I feel like both ranged weapons and magic don't have many dps option, while 3/4 melee weapons are mostly dps, maybe add 1 more ranged and 1 more magic dps weapons?
70% of game is about braindead melee pigs
What a bullshit.
If that its true than all melee weapons should reroll
Good morning, I would like to know if you could make a Daga staff guide since I usually watch your videos a lot. Thank you, greetings from Uruguay.
Triple endurance 2k+, is it good or not enough for t2? What is the crit chance t2 in pvp?
Should still be same. Once dps get 3k+ in hit, crit and heavy attack you are still at 1k endurance.
Can easily get to 2.7k hit on spear with food masteries and buffs and also having armor that actually deals damage, not some evasion only armor that will limit your damage, as per that questlog you showed, ye you can go 3k melee evasion but your damage will suffer, its really not worth investing that much into that melee evasion set, most of koreans had builds ready for their weps and the ones who swapped to spear/dagger are actually performing really well in korea. Spear is going to have same impact as it has in t1, you just need to know what to build
p.s. the 2.7k hit build on spear is done completely without a single nebula accs, now imagine if you get some of those aswell :D spear wont have any issues in t2
yeah bro, i already made my questlog i could reach 3.5k + hit chance with the mastery evasion debuff .. who cares about those melee eva user
3,5k without nimble step buff which gives us 330 hit chance
That build is a triple evasion build. You can stack a good bit more if you just go 2 evasions instead of 3
Hit equals hit, it doesn't equal dmg. Building that much hit, you'll be giving up other valuable stats. I don't think spear will just be dead, but it won't be as strong as it is in t1.
ur screen show 3k mele evasionam and even moore ranged and magic so tier 2 will destroy not only spear but the whole pvp
@@kkadans5906 idk why you think PvP will be destroyed, there will just be a higher ttk most likely.
Even now if you have around 2k+ mele evasion, as a spellblade I give spear users a whole world of trouble and I also have around 1000 ranged endurance on the set so it also gives me a half decent chance to gtfo against xbows etc
you are totally right on this but magic endurance much better
I mean KR top rankers have said otherwise about spear still being good in PvP.. Most aren’t even building into hit anyway they’re building into crit. The enforcer buff helped spear get in the ring on T2. That being said staff/dagger and staff/bow is still one of the most used classes in T2.
Yes not saying you can't make it work, just will be more difficult and not the dominant meta as it is currently
@ I mean yea it’s a higher skill req for spear on competitive servers which is fine T2 will just make it higher. won’t really die out as a class though since it still makes up a decent amount of top 500 player classes in KR on competitive servers atm. On T1 servers that are heavily melee evasion right now it’s already tough but still frags tf out in the right hands just have to be selective on who you target which is a pain but doable. Staff/dagger and staff/bow will always be the top used class due to its utility in GvG and small scale. it seems although sns/spear seems to have a peculiar bit effect use in T2 meta currently.
You can stack hit easily in T2 nearly all pieces have it. Unless your dagger with all in evasion you aren't escaping. Agree it is strong atm, a small tweak down would still be good.
@@ratri7777 you can stack even high evasion and endurance in T2 hence why it got a buff in addition to them adding the enforcer specialization im using now on the melee evasion/endurance meta server im on atm. The main statics on this server I noticed swapped to spear from Spellblade or liberator. The melee evasion shift increased the skill requirement so a good chuck of people are going back to magic/ranged classes
Wth... Why are you spreading misinformation?
You can easily get 2k-2.2k hit chance with a spear dagger on t2, you slap in the buff and new masteries and u land easily at 2.7k hit. Imagine having actually better hit chance than t1?
Guy built into 3 evasion build and expected it to be a benchmark for hit chance.
Choose bro. You either focus on defensives and do nothing or you focus on offensives and sacrifice defensives.
you can go 4k melee evasion if you full stack it. You ain't getting that in hit, without missing a lot of defense
@Aragon- nobody in their right mind on any class will go 4k melee eva because they will do nothing EXCEPT evading melee. Its not how high you can stack a stat but what breakpoints most people will run.
@Aragon- you can get 3.5k melee hit easily if you are going for glass canon build. Even if you dont you can still get 3k+ melee hit no problem. And no , you cant do 4k melee evasion. The highest number that I've seen was 3.5k
Anyone heard about Milestones? It will NOT be fixed "as soon as T2 drops" .... it will take some time until everyone has his gear. Sadly
depends what gear you want
Amazing clickbait again. Can't listen to this any more. You totally forgot talking about the fact that your ricochet spears always hit! Pick the endurance target and you still deal a shit ton of damage to the surrounding. No matter the evasion rating at all.
Also your damage stats are crap when it comes to a build if you go all in to evasion. you can easy reach 1k heavy attack chance, you only got 500. Easy reach 500 skill damage boost, yours got 270. You are missing out on so much damage and hit chance by that. Yes triple evasion is right but in the end your dodging around the battlefield wont win you anything.
Yk the endurance guy can block right ?
as a staff dagger user i have 1200 evasion on both ranged and magic but theres so many spear dagger users in my server is it a good idea to run melee endurance and magic?
You can run 2.2 k hit as spear gs at a minimum you really should stick to updates only
you can go 4k melee evasion if you full stack it. You ain't getting that in hit, without missing a lot of defense
Funny because I play in KR and the meta is overwhelmingly spear lmfao
What do you think about gs/spear for T2?
A lot more reliable since they can stack easy hit
One of the main met us is Mile invasion with staff and Juan because they’re almost unkillable
spear / GS will still be viable because of vital force
Every class is gonna have a Hit issue in T2 , thats one of the main complains of T2 (too much evasion compared to Hit) maybe the only class without an issue would be GS/Spear since they get a lot of Hit.
I tired of play bow staff xD. Was going for spear dagger in T2
Do you think i should go for that or dagger GS ?
Why did you get tired of it? Maybe answer to this question might help you decide between GS and SPR.
I'm considering it mostly because it doesn't matter being ranged enemies can yank you or teleport you and tear You to shreds in sexonds
Please make a video about wand/staff video. Which build need to prepare when we will start.
This type of thing was said about Xbows and yet it is still very viable.
Xbows are viable ? I dont think you have played Xbow... If you dont have Bella Xbow you are dealing 0 dmg with xbow , most of your damage output goes from daggers. Spins deals 0 damage and you cant really solo target anymore because everyone has like 2k+ ranged evasion while you can only get 1.1k hit + dont forget about 20k+ health pools and 7k passive shields which procks in 100% of the time because you run weaken as an xbow...
@skapeloff8585 your diving wrong then if your getting no kills
And how bow/dagger in t2 ?
Spear will be all.the time meta spear.was.olrdy strong on release and people was complaining and they buffed him even stronger spear will kill us even in t2
Tico golden child (SPEAR)
Ranged and magic do so much dps compared to others so if you stack melee evasion good luck :p
the biggest problem of this game are the scripts used on a massive scale (perfect Defense and autotarget low HP players).
I got a pvp t2 bow dagger setup with .16 att speed
nice
What do you think about the xbow dagger ? without cordy xbow
For pvp, not a whole lot better than it is in t1
Very mobile, good evasion, for picking off targets, challenging to play.
But still #1 in pve boss fights for burst damage
CN you post a link to that evasion build?
i guess the spear is not died when t2 drops.
but not become totaly domainant like now. its will became avarage, cuz other class can build a decent build to be comeptitive.
cuz now its serious how dominant the spear, just by theres class which cant build good build against them in t1.
Eh, Whelps disagrees and puts Spear/Dagger as number one DPS in ranked tier list for PVP
He did not put it in S tier. It won't be dominant like it is in T1 like I said. The meta will no longer be spears as the main damage dealers
@Aragon- no one is dominant in t2 except sns every class is still viable
@@Tambannnhow is sns dominant? Just from the pull or what
@Aragon- Looks like you skipped the video and just peeked at the tier list. Whelps clearly states that "S" tier is only for SnS, while "A" tier is for DPS. He then explains that Spear/Daggers & Spear/GS are the top melee PvP damage dealers, with Staff/Daggers leading for ranged. Maybe try watching the video instead of jumping to conclusions.
dont you get more hit chance too in t2 ? lol
that is taken into consideration: 4:33
It's a mix of everything plus more defenses. It has always been said spear is busted in T1 because it is balanced around T2, the weapon won't completely die just more balanced.
@@elguerrero363 plus the set buffs are looking super nice but anyway if he stands right beside a rookie he will get hit by a spear 🤣🤣🤣
So you're aware my t2 build has near 4k melee evasion unbuffed.....
When buffed over 5k.... 1500 diff is around 60% so what do you think a 3k diff makes ?
feels like there is missing information. hearing this video just raises more questions and it sounds very spear bias.
what melee are koreans in t2 using?
what melee combos or in the top 100 in korea?
are you saying hit to evasion gap is uneven because melee really cant get there or because no one is specing 70 in perception?
in addition could you do a video for t2 endurance or an overall of the top 5 stats koreans are using on t2?
can i make spear/ga work?
amd i going back to gs/dagger or gs/sword?
thanks for the awesome content. 😊
My generalizations were on the basis that you can get hit chance to about 2k to 2.5k on spear dagger, and usually people get melee evasion to 3k to 3.5k in tier 2
@Aragon- ok cause traditionally in global i have not seen anything more than 40 perception. i would assume just like everything we see in global while stats are not even they can be close. i do believe eva is easy to stack since gear supports it and there are a lot of eva boosting skills.
i feel plunged back into pre release were its like what is going to be the best/efficient/most used moving forward. is the game gonna pick up were it left off or is it going to completely change. my questions are geared more towards im a really casual player. i have 220 hours and am like 3 skills away (they are level 3 epic) from having all lvl 5 eic skills (atleast the ones on my bar). i have lvl 12 ga and spear (probably lvl 8 sword and lvl 10 dagger and lvl 10 staff). i got fury war blade lvl 9 and 3x traited. i have shaikal and skull spear but not traited lvled. im half blue/epics blues 90% traited. epics 40% traited.
i love this game nd has been an awesome L2 replacement. im just not sure i can keep going with such n easy grind if the game keeps changing. one of the reasons i left aion (too too grindy for casual play). my hands are up in the air.
My dude made it sound like my spear will heal my enemies upon hit, and the rest of the weapons can deal extra damage to spear users. Reroll guys, fun is over.
What are you talking about? Spear does heal on hit...
@@allthatisherehe’s saying the video made it seem like spear was gonna be so bad to the point it will heal your enemies 😂 😂 😂
@@allthatishere Sure it heals enemies.
It will be the same almost every item has Hit chance so you can push over 3k Hit chance + spear skills that give i extra Hit chance
Endurance is the best way to counter
kr server in particular are small scale pvp and not large scale, taking kr as a reference is not that even enough lmfao
global are way more players and are more creative to make it work, this is the same thing when spear come out people are saying its not good then after 1 week all you can see is "NERF SPEAR NERF SPEAR" lmfaoooo
all i gonna say is meta will be the same, what remains good in t1 will remain good in t2, evasion meta will be the same and not endurance. i remember you people said evasion will off when t2 comes but it turns out its not, it was the NEW MASTERY REWORK will turn everything to endurance mode and not the t2
No nonsense there are buffs for hit chance under spear effectively raising hit chance also what you’re saying is true spear will not be the only weapon skill affected they add any more invasion Malay will be absolutely useless and people will just stop playing the game
Thats why new meta in t2 will be gs/staff
This is just not true. It's kinda wash argument because if you hit the primary target it can spread to like several other people who do have melee evasion who could have dodged you but can't because your javelin spread to them cutting through melee evasion. There can be as many ppl who can run melee evasion just as many who can run range or magic as now. Nothing will really change from T1. You can ask Kanon or Whelps. Dagger Spear is just as good as it is in T2 as T1
@@Stigmaru you can evade javelin bounces. But you can't evade ignite exploding at 10 stacks, which is where a lot of the aoe damage comes from.
SPEAR is Tico golden child. T2 in March?? End of February, many player will be moving do BnS i think. We can see on steam log later.
Leave now, do us all the favor
as soon as spear came out i played spear dagger not because it will be a meta but because i want to try it and enjoy the game but if t2 comes out ill go back to my longbow/dagger as i am really range weapon user in my previous mmo's, over all just enjoy the game 😊
Link the build for this evasion build in video plz
bro my build reach 3k+ hit without passives.... what u mean... new spear mastery is a fucking buff, spear reach SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much hit bro
you can go 4k melee evasion if you full stack it. You ain't getting that in hit, without missing a lot of defense
@Aragon- ahh ITS you the RUclipsr that dont play, look in Spear mastery My bro we Will get 400 free hit and we dont get resonances in global, soo good Lucky with dead melee evasion build.
Du vergisst, dass Stab Bogen die T2 Meta dominieren wird weshalb die meisten Spieler Range und magic evasion stacken müssen daher wird für Speer definitiv die Tür weiter offen stehen
bro thinks koreans not clueless 💀
Or just build endurance and hit
I wonder if this guy has just one character with great stat ingame. I have the impression that he only plays on questlog.
No plz dont nerf spear, i was busy swapping from sns wand to spear dagger for pvp :////// so they will nerf it like a hill ?
Not nerfed, just easier to counter with better gear in t2
@Aragon- ah ok cool, plz advice me should i go spear dagger or bow staff for all pvp purpose?
I will stay GS/Spear. I will try to make it work with the hit chance luxury.
That can work, yeah. Just not as much damage or utility from with dagger.
OVERR 3000!!!!! dragon ball its alive
U looking on a T2 maxed build whit maxed runes artifact and resonance ofc u have allot of evasion thats att least 2 months of grind u not gonna fight this build in the beginning . A endgame build whit resonance and maxed runes artifact have 2,8k hit whit buffs so ur 3k evasion wont do jack shit .
this is just for pvp. is it the same in pve?
PvE stays the same as is. Bows and crossbows xD
@Aragon- they need to do something with mark stacking. like have max 2 and remove crit from the mark to just affect the user. no need to have crit in ur build with 5 marks giving 1300 crit and u need a bow to be invited to anything.
Current Koream meta is greatsword and spear.
I feel like this content creators are stuck in the loop .
Giving problems and answering them in same video.
which is not the current meta on global...
@Aragon- Ye but you giving a problem that spear dont have hit chance. While greatsword has it. So just pair them...
whats on Endrance ?? whe using that :(
In kr competitive servers, apparently it still competes with even cordy crossbow players
You can make it work with specific setups, but it won't be a dominant meta. Too easy to build against.
@Aragon- u can always hit tanks. Most of the time they dont have evasion builds
No it doesnt this such a shit take lmao
Kanon already said this when soear comes out, this thing really relies on hit chance because if you cant hit shit then you cant kill someone and it worsens the fact that tier 2 meta is evasion stacking so yeah
this is the same thing when spear come out, people saying it lacks something then after 1 week boooooooooom "NERF SPEAR PLEASE" lmfaooooo then after a month BOOM another buff
sorry but spear will gonna kill you hands down with t2 comes and this video will age like a fine wine lmfao
u can stack 2,9k hit chance + 410 enforce + mastery evasion debuff -300 evasion = u get around 3.5k+ hit chance
this wtihout nimble step buff 330 hit chance , if with nimble step buff u get 3.8k~3.9k hit chance of Total without food buff btw
@stylixz3976 yeah but you gotta sacrifice evasion or endurance for it you'll probably die before you hit anyone
@ what particular target are you pertaining too? most range will not build MELEE EVASION lmfao
also if a melee build the same thing with evasion then its the same problem with them too, your point is not particularly just for spear but all classes and the good part is what seperate spear is he have a buff that give him alot of hit chance which becomes like a passive considering the amount of cd it only have less than 20 seconds
kanon already made a video about hit chance and evasion you should have known that lol
you act here like people will build a fully melee evasion as a DPS range class lol
@@sastascream6127 you still get to around 2.5k range + magic evasion without shadow walker
you're taking the new masteries in consideration? without buffs we can get 1.9k hit
4:33 yes
Nope i have 3.1 k without buff im spear gs lol full buff is 3.9 k hit
Gs, yeah that has a lot of free hit xD
Mainly referring to spear dagger here
@ dagger spear main looklike they have to change manything from now on for hit above 2900+
Spear TOP PVE AOE damage !! now Alternative
this game will be dead when march comes because of blade and soul neo lol
wrong wrong worng!
+336 hit from all-out assault new mastery
+410 hit from unyielding sentinel with hit chance specialization
spear might not be broken as t1, but is still top tier in KR
I can do 4000 hit with endurance build gs spear
@sirisacc6114 how you have so much hit? What you got on?
@ in T2 we have many hit item bro u can try on the questlog btw and plus the buff with 740 hit for spear
@@sirisacc6114 what's a good melee endurance set?
Sorry i'm not into the metre i keep playing it because i like the play style
I have 1800 hit chance with spear/gs lol without buff lol
nice, yes gs gives a ton of free hit, you'll just be sacrificing the mobility and invis survivability vs dagger
Oh you ment PVP meta. Phew ok safe
game is dying, wth you are saying. games with gearscore tend to go that way since in 2-3 months everything loses its value. thats why this game had to be done like Lineage 2 where, idk, apocalypse bow never lost its value even after 1 year. probably until june july and this game will be like 5k online AT BEST. literally 85% left after 2months. if you see last 24 peak (which was sunday from today) its equal ~ 88.7% of people LEFT. what more do you want? and half of these left cuz game has nearly no owpvp (those who deny it are either high or dumb)
im pretty sure even when they have 5k evasion i will hit them xD when i have with t1 already 2,5k i dont i need care about xD
you will care when you can't hit them half the time
Dagger/spear is a worse version of Dagger/GS....what did i just hear....yeah i will stop watching at this point lol
in small scale, yes. You never played it in arena?
@Aragon- Arena is a different thing entirely. It is 3v3 - small scale is more your rift and boonstone fights where Spear/Dagger outshines GS/Dagger and even more so on a larger scale. GS/Dagger still good for sure
pvp people problems
Spot on again. I can't decide whether to go Evasion or Endurance on my Staff/Wand, what do you reckon?
staff wand you go endurance why evasions
@@Rockwaw so he/she can get away from GS
No it wont, u can get close to 3k melee hit chance on spear dagger and gs spear can go well above 3k hit chance. And due to diminishing returns this high evasion isnt that broken and op. 2k evasion to 3k evasion is only around 7% difference. If u go that much into evasion u will deal no dmg and your other stats like hit chance and crit chance suffers hard
I don't think you understand how the stats work. It depends on the difference, not the total. You can have 101,000 evasion versus 100,000 hit chance, that is still a 1,000 difference which equals a 50% evasion chance.
And to be clear, I am not saying spear will be useless. I am saying the meta of using predominantly spear in min max groups, will fade out. T2 will bring a ton more diversity making a lot more builds competitive. You can stack melee evasion without the big damage loss like it is atm
@Aragon-Wdym by spear will die in t2? It will become useless wdym? Stop clickbaiting people. Showcase the 3k hit as well 🫢
who is this Aragon guy anyway? does he even play in Korea?
The "meta will die". You can read that clearly
These evasion builds all use max and BiS purple runes and items which require huge time to farm.
Me an f2p player has already quit half-way through the farm game. It's pointless to fight p2w player who already has the full build 2-3 weeks after expansion release.
lol
I have spear GS and dagger need to swap one of them to bow or staff can u plz advise me what to swap and what to keep ? All of them r mystery 17
Staff if you want more damage, bow if you want more support with heals and the best PvE weapon with deadly marker
I think we theory craft better. We’ll have to see.
The truth is that Throne and Liberty is not even an MMORPG. What real MMORPG has limits in grind or anything, I don't understand players who play this game and are delighted with it. After all, this game is trash
as some1 who played L2 for 7years until GOD, and for the people who say "tnl is a pvp game" its not. the grind makes no sense you gear up to gear up, plus it has 1893 stats of defense, attack crit, hit heavy, endurance, evasion heavy evasion, skill dmb boost .... list goes on. WHY?
why i cant trade LITERALLY 99% of my stuff? why cant i help a friend or trade with players to bypass that crap market tax? now that im writting game has lost 88.7% of population. God i miss playing Lineage 2 where your items didnt lose value after 50days and it had OWPVP.
Nice) i played on spear dagger, and today i deleted game. See you video, and i think: omg, i bin right😅
why delete
@CRONKTEZ too much time to nowhere, i don't like pvp in this game
Is this game fun ? I’m thinking about dropping neverwinter to play this