Lets Upgrade An Original Xbox CPU to 1.4GHz!
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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In this video, Shawn goes through upgrading an Original Xbox CPU using one of the new interposers and alignment tools that were recently released! As always, links to everything are down below.
Franks Interposer:
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Kekule's Interposer:
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N64's Interposer:
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Voltage Mod Tutorial by Ace:
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Heatsink Bracket 3D FIles by Ace:
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Other Origial Xbox 3D Printed Files by Ace:
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I don't even own the original xbox. Why the heck m watching this @3:30 am
Same bro but I'm watching at 3:20 am 😂
Cuz you maybe a nerd like others
Time to get an OG Xbox :P
3:50 AM here, help me🫠
Bro that's scary literally the video that pops up to me at 3:30 am 😭💀
Biggest difference is full open source design of course, instead of just gerbers :P
you basically turned that PGA processor into a BGA one lol
either way great video i must say and also great job!
btw i got the 100th like on this one video
i always complained this about the cpu overheat of the ps3 and they told me it will cost a fortune, there you see a guy doing it now.
This console will never die ❤❤❤
PS2 killed it over 20 years ago 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
im pretty sure mine died at this point, don't have the cables to test it. i should open it lol
@@MichaelM28 Cringe
@@Scornfull Cry
@@MichaelM28 I'm not the one that's console warring for a nearly 30 year old device LOL
FINALLY the RIGHT Xbox.... 🤪Great job dude!
Nice work Shawn!
Thanks!
i love this content.
but i have a question.
can you tell me which microscop you are using ?
im getting old and cant see all the pads anymore :D
Sure thing, mine is quite old as of now too, but its this:
www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832861917558.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.25.48d918024lavaN&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt
You could probably get one cheaper with less accessories and such, I just didn't have anything prior to this one
All i have to say is, I've never owned an xbox in my entire life and I watched the whole video.
good job Shawn
Would be very cool if consoles CPUs/SoCs would be modular and upgradeable😁
can you show the difference in games? do they run weirdly quicker or have they actually a higher fps?
Some games run faster, some dont load at all. You'd either have to have a Project Stellar or patch each game for them to run properly
Best 3am video. Thanks!!
Wish you ended the video with some improved game performance due to the new chip is it better?
LMAO that hard drive whine though 😂
I have a bunch of pentium III 1.4ghz stored in a box , I have no motherboards to use them , maube I should sell them on Ebay
You could make a good amount per CPU for sure
Why do you use background music?
Isn't the singing of the old harddrives in the background enough? 😄
hahaha!
and? what does this to performance in games?
this mod was intended for modded xboxes running emulators more then anything back then. though it does decrease load times in a few games, and games with abit of lag like most of the need for speed games and half life 2. really isn't necessary anymore as even cheap android tv boxes can run most emulators flawlessly..
With that mod you can run all games at good framerate on 720p, or 720p video at good framerate too... without cpu upgrade you can but very low fps, imagine playing KOTOR or Half-Life2 at 720p, yes original xbox just need a better CPU to be a 720p capable console.
@@SargentoDuke lool
@@McLeonVP original Xbox can run some games at 720p with no problem just with 128mb ram... but with 1.4ghz Cpu you can run all... Morrowind or Kotor on 720p looks better than on XBOX 360... but framerate drops to 5fps on open maps and are unplayable, you need at least 1ghz cpu to move 720p games and VIDEO/youtube on the original xbox... and 1.4ghz to move them perfectly! Remember 1.4ghz pentium 3 ecuals to a 2.8ghz pentium 4 (or a 1.4ghz Core2solo, as Core technology was defeloped from Mobile Pentium 3 tualatins). I had the interposer and a 1.4ghz cpu but i had not the skill to do it so the 1ghz pentium 3 direct-soldered is the only i can had.
But playing original Xbox games at native 720p is AWESOME
@@SargentoDuke 128mb ram? the ps3 only haves 512 and the ps2 64mb i think
I think, my ps3 also need some upgrade fpr the cpu
If only there was something like that 😓
Hi! Do you know which processors are generally suitable for such an upgrade? I wanted to install Tualatin 1.4 GHz, but in my country they are now too expensive. But Tualatin 1.4/256/100 is very cheap (like 1-2 bucks). I saw how they installed a 1 GHz processor, the boost was rather weak, but it was there. True, what kind of processor it was was not specified. Maybe somewhere there is information or a table on compatibility with the CPU? Thanks in advance and sorry for bad English
Any Socket 370 Pentium 3 with 133Mhz FSB will work
@@Techbabblers Sorry but even PENTIUM III 1.13GHz SL5PU? I read on the forum that if it is 1.13GHz then only SL4HH works or are they wrong?
@@ArthurPozhidayev If its the same pinout, yes, it will work. I've done a few 1.2Ghz chips and they work just fine!
Amazing work , i wanna see that xbox run Half Life 2 🤔
The linked heatsink bracket doesn't seem to be for franks interposer.
here you go: github.com/ACE-AU/OG-Xbox-CPU-GPU-Heatsink-brackets-for-Franks-Interposer
@@Techbabblers thank you!
Watching this, I wondered how many games break on the XBox with a CPU running at double the speed. I also wonder if you can fully take advantage of the higher speed, given the proprietary nature of the XBox. It isn't the same as upgrading a PIII PC. Just the fact you have to use an interposer suggests that the system could be bandwidth limited. Have you actually verified the CPU is really running at 1400MHz? It would be really neat if you could somehow directly measure IPC and compare with a PC because clockspeed doesn't mean much if there are inherent limitations in the platform slowing it down.
Not sure what the point is here, really. It is no longer original hardware so you might as well just play on an emulator if you want higher framerates. a modchip to bypass region locks is one thing, this is another.
Yeah so with the 1400MHz CPU, the games will basically run twice as fast, some won't even run at all. You can either patch each game to run at retail or use Project Stellar which does the patching on the fly so games can run properly.
You did an absolutely HORRID job on this, you don't need an interposer, like what bro? How did you manage to screw this up so bad
I'm confused as to what you mean.
Is it possible to upgrade GPU? Probably make no difference since games are coded to hardware spec..
In the middle of the night
Why I am I watching Xbox upgrades
yay, you you can ply HL2 at a decent framerate!
The original Xbox is so old now. There’s not much you can do on it anymore. That console is long past it’s days
?!?
There are quite a few homebrew stuff that have been released that more or less have all the features enabled once again, even XBL.
Does the new CPU need a heat sink and fan? Or is the fan in the console at 40% + able to take care of it once the disc drive and hard drive are back in the console? If anyone knows where I can find someone to install this here in England please let me know.
You have to cut a cap in the HDD tray and use a 3D printed filler piece glued in the top since the heatsink is now sitting higher than the OG CPU. You can also cut down a few MM from each fin on the heatsink, which would acheive the same result. From testing, running fans ~50% after a game is about 55C on the CPU.
t's very difficult to watch your videos due to focus problems. buy a cheap autofocus lens for video.
Do you can unlock bootloader to install any OS?
The OS is a compressed kernel, you can run an Xbox kernel, or a Linux bootloader. The dashboards and menus/programs etc are all Xbox apps. They designed it to where a lot of what we’d consider OS centric libraries are embedded in the application itself.
That suppose to double the fps in games or what?
Since games aren't created with that speed in mind I think you mod is useless.
Yes, it will double the FPS for some games and then will break for other games. You'd either have to manually patch each game OR you'd have to use a Stellar to get games to run back at normal speeds. This is more beneficial for things like emulating and homebrew
How
Wrong PlayStation
Now launch half life 2
Can you solder a ZIF Socket 370 to the motherboard?🤔
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it ❤
if it ain't broken fix it until it is.
No progress can ever be made by accepting everything as it is, and never trying to improve anything or yourself is a very boring way to live.
Came by this video randomly, would’ve liked to have seen a before and after performance wise, or a side by side to show the differences / benefits of upgrading the CPU
yeah, me too on both counts. I don't know why one would want to do this. Wouldn't it possibly break some games that are expecting a certain speed? Or would it just make frame rates smoother? I have to think also that the video chipset might play a part in limiting the effectiveness of a processor upgrade, too. From what I understand it's basically a GeForce 3.
You could head over to: *Modern Vintage Gamer* And search his videos for: *The Most Powerful Original Xbox - FriendTech DreamX 1480 - Teardown, Games, Emulators and More*
Emulators benefit greatly from the CPU upgrade. As well as some games which are possibly CPU limited.
There are quite a few videos showing the benefits of this upgrade.
You can run pretty much everything smoother on upgraded cpu because of emulators benefits from the faster cpu better. And speaking of emulators, with tons of other mods you can play most of the games at 720p and some even at 900p or 1080p if you really push this old monster that far. This CPU upgrade does not give you a better fps ( just a little bit ) but it gives you a whole new graphics experience because of the faster CPU so you can crank the details way up than befor
man youtube needs to recommend me more of this, just a beat up old console, soldering station in the background and something hacky going on.
thanks it was a really enjoyable video!
18 minute video. (Doesn't show gameplay.)😑
Too bad a socket probably wouldn't have enough strain relief without some through hole mounts. Seems like if you're going to raise the profile, anyway, why not add a socket?
Yeah I was thinking why solder the CPU if you have to solder the socket? Might as well make it a proper PGA socket
Given that the profile would only be raised maybe something like a single millimeter, if that, I really don't see why not just add a socket.
Exactly, this is a super clunky way of doing a CPU swap.
Honestly, in so many ways, you could say this of so many BGA reflows. Some don't have the clearance, but the ones that do - socket the world. Ofc, I say that, but don't put it into practice much - though yeah, I really need to when I start doing this kind of stuff again, for myself. It's such hot, nasty, sticky work - you just don't want to have to do it again, lol. Though, I'm sure some enjoy it.
A few have tried reflowing a socket recently but it seems just as difficult as this method, maybe one day someone will figure out properly flowing the socket onto the interposer without it melting or misaligning, but right now this is the only way.
I have one of these made by N64Freak in Germany years back. It has the extra ram also. I have a Joshua Lineberry loaded 2TB drive on it. It's been sitting for some time but that thing is awesome! Mine has a switch to drop the processor speed so some games won't go stupid fast.
Upgrade that thing with a stellar chip and it should auto patch the games when you run them and make them all playable! ❤❤
Benchmarks? I totally need to see before and after.
This upgrade is pretty old school. Performance with Linux is pretty good, but improvement for game performance is negligible at best. It actually increases instability with games. There was also a 128mb memory upgrade we would do that would give some games minor improvement, but nothing to write home about. It was originally called Dream-X.
Pretty much what @piratelechuck1911 mentioned, it helps with running emulators or homebrew, but for most games, they will be broken and you'll have to patch them to have htem run properly
60% of the video is out of focus "I lost the footage of the cpu" and in the end not a single one game footage....this is the perfect example of how not to do a video 😢
Why not make it a proper PGA socket rather than soldering the CPU?
That's what I was thinking 🤔
Clearance might've been an issue. (Just eyeballing it)
Because you would still have to solder the socket - and there's no other CPU you can install.
Maybe sockets aren't no more available ?
@@JohnnyWednesday Yeah but it'd be cooler
The OG Xbox is the best by far.
It's probably my most favourite console.
Question: what does this upgrade allow that wasn't possible previously?
More FPS on homebrew and emulators. Makes native games kinda wonky, you have to patch them or else some run super fast or some just break all together.
@@Techbabblers”super fast”? What? How would upgrading the processor make it worse? What do you mean “super fast” wouldn’t that be a good thing for better fps? Why would you wanna patch that.
Incredible work and presentation man, Great stuff!
Much appreciated!
Id love to see Deus EX invisible war, that game was super laggy
Honestly this would be sick, idk if it would break certain games but i wanna test it for myself. Was playing operation flashpoint elite, and while i like the game, it definitely wasnt meant for consoles (let alone 6th gen consoles) but somehow had better models than the pc version lol
It does break certain games yes, you'd have to either use a Stellar or patch games
What exactly is the purpose for this?
Does a stock Xbox even utilize any of the extra CPU performance?
or is it just for modded xbox's, and certain games that can take advantage of it?
Besides emulation and homebrew, not much to be honest, you can't turn up the settings, framerate and the graphics of the games like on a PC. And it won't even run games without patches. The Pentium 3 Tualatin 1.4 is overkill for the Xbox, better to just put it into a Socket 370 build with something like a Geforce FX card. A 1ghz P3 or Celeron is plenty good for the OG Xbox. But it still is a very impressive mod. BGA mods of any kind involve some serious dedication.
@@8bitnation419 ill take the 1.4 with stellar that automatically fixes the games and will allow for higher quality movies and TV shows along with a smoother dashboard!
@@JoshLineberryDoes it now run games without patches?
@@8bitnation419 yep!
I’d love to get one of these done, how much does it cost?
You could have soldered a socket 370 instead, that way you can remove the CPU if necessary
Wish it wasthat easy :-(
Little idea: tape the interposer down in case you bump it before you add those extra resistors to hold it in place. If its Kapton tape, you can leave it there for the rest of the 1st interposer process, otherwise remove it after the resistors are in place.
Real happy to see these type of videos.
Original Xbox is my all time favorite.
Mine was hacked, could hack others. Had cables sticking out the side. Colored lights everywhere. Usb ports I had to install.
I called it frankenbox.
Loved loved loved it
All I could keep looking at was what seemed to be a puffed up capacitor
yeah there's not getting around Replacing the Capacitors in an Original Xbox even if they're not Puffed you're heavily advised to replace them do to their penchant for leaking and damaging the board.
@@ulasht1nice punctuation.
Hahaha, I replace all caps after the rework, just didn't have that in the video!
Could this be done to the 360 using a laptop cpu/gpu?
Nope, would not be possible.
5:20 looks like the tall capacitor closest to the camera is bulging and needs to be replaced.
That is literally nothing.
@@CovenantAgentLazarus It is literally failed and needs to be replaced. You can see it is also pushing up off the board from the rubber plug in the bottom being forced out.
Capacitors don't have an allowance for creating internal pressure and continuing to operate within original design specs. If they show signs of internal pressure build up, they need to be replaced, no matter how slight.
@@GGigabiteM The capacitor is fine. Tune down your autism.
@@GGigabiteM the only thing failed here is your brain. Severely crippled and you're factually wrong.
is that the one he says he's going to replace towards the end of the video? or one of the other tall capacitors he also says he's going to replace?
U breaking another xbox shawn... 🤣😂Na good job mate.
🧠👍
What is the most powerful hardware that could be swapped into the original Xbox? It's a PC that plays games. So what's the most powerful CPU that can be strapped to the board? I'm sure there is a hardware cap on the amount of RAM that the system will recognize But I'm sure the RAM is upgradable too. The GPU should also be upgradeable as long as it's on the same PCI or whatever standard the original Xbox used.
that look scary as... Some peaple may not be able to pull that off. We think it's done with a machine.
Id just play it as is.
Maybe just emulate it.
You seem to got it working. COngrats. Enjoy.
What's the point of the tool? You cut that completely out with no explanation. I figured it's to put solder on the motherboard pads
why is the top cover different from when you first show it to now? it's cleaner and the scratches aren't in the same spot...
Do you ask the same question??? WTF the cooler ?? The size changed!!!
Why add that background music when you speak? It is so annoying to listen to 😒
Have you thought about overclocking the CPU a little bit? Most SL6BY CPUs will do 1660 MHz, if you are very lucky you could get even up to 1750 MHz (without higher Vcore). Or perhaps XBOX can't handle high FSB clocks?
I didn't try but I have heard that it's possible!
A test would be nice before and after the upgrade to see of it's even worth it
Hi there could you please make an audio check I need to increase my device volume. Thanks
try a cpu socket mod that might work great
i was about to comment why didnt they install a Socket into the interposer adapter.
@@CaelThunderwing a socket mod would b cool
Man I wanted to see the full video, what type of brackets and shrouds you used and all. Also I can't believe I've had that exact processor with me since I was like 5, used to play Midtown Madness in that system that had it before dad scrapped it and I got my very first XBox in 2020. :|
Also don't break more consoles now.
I try my best not to!
No benchmark results? What's the point?
Great community ❤
When are you going to do game benchmarks on this thing
Nice joke. Xbots are the worst
GN mat nice
if only this was feasible for the ps2
There is a way to overclock the PlayStation 2 but not this high of course
So, I'm not an Xbox expert, but it looks like you have holes in which a socket can be mounted. Why not do that?
Not that there's anything WRONG with this jank little 1:1440 scale temple to the silicon gods, the faeries that live in my Xbox will surely love to swing around on the pins, but this is a fabulously horrid little assembly.
We'd still have to reflow the socket onto the interposer, which a few people have tried out recently and it hasn't gone too well
@@Techbabblers So despite everything visibly wrong with this setup, it is genuinely the best way to do this. That's fabulous.
Would of been nice to see you play a game with the new cpu and do a side by side comparison
Well without using something like a Stellar, most games by default either run super fast or straight up break. The 1.4Ghz upgrade is more beneficial to things like homebrew and media playback
Are VRAM upgrades possible?
For those of us with bad hands, do you offer the ability for us to mail our Xboxes to you to pay for this upgrade?!
Would love a max RAM upgrade as well as an SSD or 2TB HDD upgrade…
That would give me the ability to dual-boot a Linux flavor… or NetBSD/OpenBSD
When I look at your skills. For some time I have been watching several students from the technical university in Brno in the Czech Republic on RUclips. One of the points of their study was the complete design of their own simple computer as well as programming of their own firmware in the C language. And just once I was talking about KiCad. That it is a good alternative to the licensed Autodesk Eagle, which has some unresolved bugs for a long time. I sure enjoyed watching your video 👍
Wow! great work. Too bad you didn't show is WHY you did this or what he actual benefit of doing this would be. Now I have a new chip. So... what? 18 minutes of my life I'll never get back, thanks
any idea if there is a GPU upgrade from the box GPU to the geforce3 ti500? and replacing the v ram with faster chips and also doubling the VRAM size?
Too fast buddy. You dont know basic things like what you refer as "vram" is on this just ram which were shared with gpu and cpu same time
GPU upgrades might be near impossible on this system due to how memory works. Basically any console you run into will use a "shared memory between CPU and GPU" scenario.
Also the "VRAM size" you're referring to is the system's memory.
The xbox gpu is better than a Geforce3 Ti 🤦♂its a GF4 ti4400
Xbox is a NFORCE integrated GPU actually... and the NV2A is a Geforce4 you dont need any better, just overclock it, the XBOX gpu overclocked at 275mhz is stable and its a good boost, the bottleneck is not the GPU is the crap 733mhz cpu, the box was designed for 1ghz one but lntel scammed MS the other cpu was a 1ghz amd.
so xbox can handle a 133mhz FSB? 😳
Yes!
P3 Tualatin were the goats
One of my regrets from my old job was not getting the matched 1.4ghz P3 cpus I had in an old server. I think it started life as a P3-500 and then to dual 1ghz, and finally to dual 1.4ghz towards the end of it's life to stretch out another year.
I want a original xbox gaming pc
Wow the fan at the end sounds like my PS4 pro
Yeah, gotta crank them up on the OGX!
So how does it game? You gonna crank this puppy or just let it sit there?
Next step lets upgrade original xbox to 3 Ghz
haha i wish!
What BGA rework station you using ?
ACHI IR PRO SC
I have one of these and everything needed to do the upgrade! I have been trying to find someone who could help me do this, is it possible you could do it for a fee?
The 2 layers of interposers is something I wouldn't have thought of. I wonder if the 2nd interposer could be replaced with a pga socket.
should be upgrade ram too up to 512mb maybe or 1gb
so is the cpu like the bottleneck ? how does this work with the GPU now ? dont you need a gpu upgrade too or does OCing the trick ???
Dang i gotta do mine sometime
Would love to see performance uplift it gives to game's like hl2 doom 3 or halo 2
i got the most intrusive thought of seeing a xbox with a xeon cpu or something overkill like that.
Amazing work, but the Tualatin is utilised better in Socket 370 Motherboard running Windows 98SE and XP. Unless there is software and patches to take advantage of the Tualatin, your not going to get much out of it besides better emulation and slightly more stable framerates. It would also be nice to get it to run discs without patches, not sure if there is a way. But i think a 1ghz P3 would be plenty good for the Og Xbox. It's not overkill and will provide the exact same benefits except with a less power hungry CPU.
There is a program to patch the games for the new CPU speed, and obviously the Xbox can handle tualating, xbox kernel is almost windowsXP based... or better to say, win XP had the modifications created on the Xbox kernel
And ?
3 things people can watch forever watching waves hit the beach fire burn and someone work. I love this
Does it mean I'm a geek when I say "I love this stuff!?"
what would it take to install a 2.5 ghz core 2 duo?
Would have to create a whole interposer and even then it probably wouldn't work since it isn't in the same family as the OG CPU.
@@Techbabblers the lithography of the first generation of core 2 duo was just basically a 2 core pentium 3.
Do you know if the CMOS/BIOS on the OG xbox is locked to the family name lithography or does that CMOs/BIOS recognizeable by input/output instruction, versus family lithography