Thank y'all so much for joining me on this journey through Winden! I can say pretty confidentially that Dark is one of my favorite things I've ever seen, let alone reacted to, so I'm so glad you guys suggested it and voted for it! Our next adventure (if you stick with me) is going to be: The Last of Us! It's a little delayed as I've come down with the flu at the absolute worst time, but I'm hopeful I'll feel better and be able to start it soon! Thanks again, guys! xxx Carmen
This is the best series I've seen. And that it really has an ending that was there from the beginning is the best of all. So it's not one of these series that gets longer and longer but at the same time just gets worse and worse. You should react to "River" an English mini series of 6 episodes that not many people have seen.
It is a masterpiece for sure. Can you imagine if this show had been cancelled before it had finished the full story? Some shows outstay their welcome and just drag on, others are cancelled too soon. It is so rare to get a complete story that is full satisfying and isn't just a case of writers having to come up with an ending. Alongside Battlestar Galactica this is my favourite series that actually tells a complete story. Ok Breaking Bad does as well, and Game of Thrones although it tailed right off at the end, but Dark and BSG gave the best and most satisfying endings. Lost really divided the audience on the way it ended. The Expanse could have got there but they wrapped that up too soon. The only other tv show I think is on the same level of genius as Dark is Twin Peaks. And if you haven't seen that you must check it out, and if after watching you're still baffled watch the 4 and half hour RUclips video by Twin Perfect explaining it all. You may not agree with everything he says but some of the revelations are mind-blowing.
If you see in the pic at the start of the final scene you can see that Bernd Doppler is Regina's dad. Which explains why the hotel Regina owns is the old Doppler house
The third world ended and all become dark, that's why the show is called like that. The last scene showed who survived and how well they lived without the ones from the loop. Peter never married with Charlotted, Hannah never met Ulrich or Mikkel so never got obsessed, Winden never had a Power Plant, so Regina was never exposed to radiation that could cause cancer, the world never ended so, also as Claudia never met Tronte she could live with the father of Regina. Also, Katarina never married Ultrich, they were better without the knot.
Yeah. I do believe that she gave information to her younger self, and therefore knew more with each loop. This is also how she knew that this was the first time she'd figured out there was a third world and that it was the first time she told Adam how to destroy the knot.
I love everything about Dark, and I enjoyed your reactions and journey! Mindf*ck #1 - Tannhaus did save his family by inventing time travel! But he'll know he did....
Rewatch the intro sequence for the very first season and notice that it ends with a sideways shot of the forest intersection...with no power plant in the background. They showed us the third world from the very first episode. Edit: Also! When Jonas and Martha see one another in the "time tunnel," this (to me) suggests that 1) this is not a "new" development in the Knot, but rather it has always happened, and 2) this is the reason why Jonas and Martha are so drawn to one another, because they recognize one another and it triggers their deja vu.
The sadest thing is, it was all for nothing. They changed nothing. Jonas and Martha travel to the origin world to prevent Tannhäuser from building the time machine, so the two worlds will never exist, so Jonas and Martha will not exist, there for they can't travel to the origin world. Time paradoxa are really fucked up.
Thank you again for that nice pleasure to follow you through your journey. I remember Westworld with you, GoT ending seasons, and the early moments here for DARK. Hope to catch another program making you 😲😳😯. It was funny to see your reactions, but not in a mean way. Just to see you react with a new point of view. Always nice to be here with you. Thanks again Carmen. Now you can check out our early comments on the first episodes 🧐🤭 See you next time👋👍
If you noticed, the origin world has different aspect ratio compare to the 2 other worlds. At S3E2 9:37, the news from the radio says that the French team of scientist believes that the world stood still for a fraction of nanoseconds. Maybe thats the Eureka moment of Claudia.
Dark is one of my favorite shows for sure (only behind lost), truly an almost perfect show, masterfully written, planned out and executed... The one recurring criticism I have seen/heard from many people is that it completely lacks comedic relief (which seems to be something that could have helped make it more approachable with general audiences)... But y'know, the show is called Dark, and it's indeed very dark... That and also the fact that apparently many people aren't used to reading while watching tv/movies haha... Something super strange to me because english isn't my first language
*_Our revels now are ended. These our actors,_* *_As I foretold you, were all spirits and_* *_Are melted into air, into thin air:_* *_And, like the baseless fabric of this vision,_* *_The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces,_* *_The solemn temples, the great globe itself,_* *_Ye all which it inherit, shall dissolve_* *_And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,_* *_Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff_* *_As dreams are made on, and our little life_* *_Is rounded with a sleep._*
During the show anytime somebody time travels the lights flicker or go off... Could it be that the lights flickering was indicating that somebody was time traveling?😮
Ah, you missed it! At the start of the "end scene", they clearly showed a happy family photo of Claudia, Regina... and Bernd Doppler. It's a happy sight, and nice to see them enjoy being a family... but it's still a bit creepy. There was a scene somewhere in season 2, where young Claudia comes to the Doppler villa (for one of her lessons with Helge, I think), and encounters Bernd, who tells her how grown up she looks, and that, if she wants something, she should go and take it. Which she then goes and does... take Tronte. Considering that she is twelve at that point, he is certainly at least three times her age, and they will end up (in our story worlds) having an affair, while she is going to work for him and following him to run the power plant... it's a bit jarring for our current morality setting. And you forgot to mention Bernadette in your list of present persons! Of course she would be there at that dinner with her brother. And it's so nice to see that she has a happy end as well, being able to be openly together with Peter. --- The bunker door was of course _the_ clue that there was something more that we had been shown before. Jonas' and Martha's world are mirrored... a door opening right in Jonas' world open left in Martha's world. So the door opening upwards was a sign that it couldn't be either. Main problem here: while it was a great point in terms of visual story-telling... it doesn't make sense. No one would _build_ a bunker door in that way. ... Before the last episode was first shown, there was a lot of speculation in the community. One idea for the ending was that Martha and Jonas showing up in the "origin world" would _cause_ the accident of Tannhaus' family... thus _starting_ the whole loop. It would have been an interesting and fitting variant... but perhaps a bit too "dark". In that way... Tannhaus succeeded. He created a time machine to bring back his family... and by doing that, he set up the story that... would bring back his family. Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey. --- The show isn't perfect. No story can be, and especially not one dealing with such a difficult and counter-factual concept like time-travel. There are a ton of open questions left, and some questions that are very sloppily answered. The thing that I personally think is most jarring is the story shift between season 1 and 2. It hadn't been that obvious when the show first aired... there was a year of pause between the first two seasons... but at repeated rewatching it end to end, it is noticable: The first season was all about that mysterious room. The chair. The missing children. THE WHOLE SEASON revolved around that. Then, in season two, it is done away in a single sideline sentence, and never ever mentioned again. It's just one of the things that exist, because they exist. --- In that regard: my favorite pet theory (I may have mentioned it before)... At that point in the story, we have only the 33 year cycle travel, be it directly via the cave or indirectly via the chair. We know that events in one time period still follow the normal flow of time... but you can switch to exactly 33 (or 66) years from that. We know - get to see - when Mads was "send", because we see him arrive. We see - by the story telling and directly written dates - when Erik (and then Yasin) were "send". Erik was strapped into the chair and send to 1953 just one day after Mads turned up in 2019. Now we know that Erik has been missing for almost two weeks at that point. We are also told that Mads had been missing for quite some time when Mikkel showed up in 1986. That leaves us with only one conclusion: they had been imprisoned together in the bunker for that whole time. When we first saw Erik in episode one, he seems extremely frightened. Which would be understandable, if we realize that he had just witnessed his co-prisoner being strapped to the chair and basically disintegrated. Of course it would not have been a good idea from a story telling perspective to show us this as that point in the show... but it would have been an interesting part to tell: how these two boys interacted. --- Some may think that I'm too critical of this show. I'm not. I'm critical of the flaws exactly _because_ it is such a great show. When something is just meh, for better or worse, you watch it, enjoy it, forget about it. But when something is of such a stunning quality like "Dark"... you just want it to be perfect.
@@ManifoldMold Thank you. It's been a while since I watched the show in totality, and even a thorough reaction like Carmen's can only provide snippets. Af year after the fifth or sixth rewatch, it's kinda hard to remember just where certain scenes were placed.
@@harryballsak1123 True, the result of any relationship didn't manifest until well into "legal" territory... but a grown up (and much older) man telling a girl barely in her teens how "pretty and all grown up" she is and giving her a huge amount of money for "her services" is a bit creepy. Especially if you later learn that they did ending up having a child. I'm very careful with the accusations that are so popular in our days... but you could say that this is a sign of "grooming". Though some might also say that Claudia is shown as a very self-secure, even domineering person, and not easily (mis)led. So who could say which side initiated any later affair? Still, this scene and the way Bernd acts here gives me some very creepy vibes.
I hope that someday you react to 12 Monkeys - another great time travel show.
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The way i interpret the ending, is that there are matrix within the matrix, and endless worlds within worlds with endless combinations of events in them. And we've only seen 2 worlds branching from "origin world" up until the last scene, and last scene suggests that "origin world" might be one of the two branches from another "origin world". In essence, all these worlds are just part of endless matrix.
Hmmm, is it someone who really loves to argue with random people over things they never said (and ignores them when they patiently explain further, simply continuing to argue)? Heheh
@@allienmecaca Just making a guess about who you meant. I’d noticed they’re very argumentative, and they’ve deleted some comments they had left on this video.
@@falsenostalgia-shannon I thought you talking about me :D There's nothing wrong with arguing your point tho but this guy decided to delete his og comment so all the sub comments disappear, instead of proving his points with logical arguments.
What nearly no one realises is, that it was all for nothing. Jonas and Martha travel to the origin world to prevent Tannhäuser from building the time machine, so the two worlds will never exist, so Jonas and Martha will never exist, so they can't travel to the origin world to change things. The loop direct restarts with season 1 episode 1. Like they said, the begining is the end and the end is the begining. Time paradoxa are really fucked up.
i disagree or at least I don't think it's what the creators intended for the message to be - because that would mean that Claudia, who has been preaching about how everything always had to happen the way it happened, would've suddenly forgotten about it and decided that now she believed in being able to change things. But the whole show is about determinism against free will. The invention of time travel in the origin world (basically representing our world) lead to the creation of the two combined worlds and only because time travel now exists, everything now follows the theory of determinism. The origin world however is a world of free will. So once Jonas and Martha go there, changing things is now possible, so they stop the invention of time travel (which - again - created the deterministic worlds and time knots) which leads to their destruction, but keeps the origin world intact. This also subtly implies that the creators believe that there is free will in our world, in our reality. Which is quite a soothing thought after having watched 3 seasons of how destructible a life lead by determinism would be.
Thank y'all so much for joining me on this journey through Winden! I can say pretty confidentially that Dark is one of my favorite things I've ever seen, let alone reacted to, so I'm so glad you guys suggested it and voted for it! Our next adventure (if you stick with me) is going to be: The Last of Us! It's a little delayed as I've come down with the flu at the absolute worst time, but I'm hopeful I'll feel better and be able to start it soon! Thanks again, guys! xxx Carmen
This is the best series I've seen. And that it really has an ending that was there from the beginning is the best of all. So it's not one of these series that gets longer and longer but at the same time just gets worse and worse. You should react to "River" an English mini series of 6 episodes that not many people have seen.
It is a masterpiece for sure. Can you imagine if this show had been cancelled before it had finished the full story? Some shows outstay their welcome and just drag on, others are cancelled too soon. It is so rare to get a complete story that is full satisfying and isn't just a case of writers having to come up with an ending. Alongside Battlestar Galactica this is my favourite series that actually tells a complete story. Ok Breaking Bad does as well, and Game of Thrones although it tailed right off at the end, but Dark and BSG gave the best and most satisfying endings. Lost really divided the audience on the way it ended. The Expanse could have got there but they wrapped that up too soon. The only other tv show I think is on the same level of genius as Dark is Twin Peaks. And if you haven't seen that you must check it out, and if after watching you're still baffled watch the 4 and half hour RUclips video by Twin Perfect explaining it all. You may not agree with everything he says but some of the revelations are mind-blowing.
Claudia is a nuclear physicist. Of course she outsmarted two high school dropouts.
hilarious! lol
If you see in the pic at the start of the final scene you can see that Bernd Doppler is Regina's dad. Which explains why the hotel Regina owns is the old Doppler house
The writing in this show was simply off the charts. Astounding execution. In the end Dark was really about a tragic love story and second chances.
The third world ended and all become dark, that's why the show is called like that. The last scene showed who survived and how well they lived without the ones from the loop. Peter never married with Charlotted, Hannah never met Ulrich or Mikkel so never got obsessed, Winden never had a Power Plant, so Regina was never exposed to radiation that could cause cancer, the world never ended so, also as Claudia never met Tronte she could live with the father of Regina. Also, Katarina never married Ultrich, they were better without the knot.
Claudia meeting her slightly younger self is way more important than most people think.
Yeah. I do believe that she gave information to her younger self, and therefore knew more with each loop. This is also how she knew that this was the first time she'd figured out there was a third world and that it was the first time she told Adam how to destroy the knot.
Regina's father was Bernd Doppler.
This show is so amazing that it's even better a second watch.
I love everything about Dark, and I enjoyed your reactions and journey!
Mindf*ck #1 - Tannhaus did save his family by inventing time travel! But he'll know he did....
It was so much fun watching the show with you Carmen! Thank for all the effort you've put into this :)
Best show ever. Amazing story acting, cinematography, music, casting, directing, special effects, etc. it’s perfect never believe anything else.
It's been great to watch along with you Carmen, glad you enjoyed the series 😊
Rewatch the intro sequence for the very first season and notice that it ends with a sideways shot of the forest intersection...with no power plant in the background. They showed us the third world from the very first episode.
Edit: Also! When Jonas and Martha see one another in the "time tunnel," this (to me) suggests that 1) this is not a "new" development in the Knot, but rather it has always happened, and 2) this is the reason why Jonas and Martha are so drawn to one another, because they recognize one another and it triggers their deja vu.
The sadest thing is, it was all for nothing. They changed nothing. Jonas and Martha travel to the origin world to prevent Tannhäuser from building the time machine, so the two worlds will never exist, so Jonas and Martha will not exist, there for they can't travel to the origin world. Time paradoxa are really fucked up.
This whole time “Neither ever nor never, goodbye” was giving it away and we had no idea.
Thank you again for that nice pleasure to follow you through your journey. I remember Westworld with you, GoT ending seasons, and the early moments here for DARK. Hope to catch another program making you 😲😳😯. It was funny to see your reactions, but not in a mean way. Just to see you react with a new point of view. Always nice to be here with you. Thanks again Carmen. Now you can check out our early comments on the first episodes 🧐🤭 See you next time👋👍
If you noticed, the origin world has different aspect ratio compare to the 2 other worlds. At S3E2 9:37, the news from the radio says that the French team of scientist believes that the world stood still for a fraction of nanoseconds. Maybe thats the Eureka moment of Claudia.
Dark is one of my favorite shows for sure (only behind lost), truly an almost perfect show, masterfully written, planned out and executed... The one recurring criticism I have seen/heard from many people is that it completely lacks comedic relief (which seems to be something that could have helped make it more approachable with general audiences)...
But y'know, the show is called Dark, and it's indeed very dark... That and also the fact that apparently many people aren't used to reading while watching tv/movies haha... Something super strange to me because english isn't my first language
Hannah has the last word.
*_Our revels now are ended. These our actors,_*
*_As I foretold you, were all spirits and_*
*_Are melted into air, into thin air:_*
*_And, like the baseless fabric of this vision,_*
*_The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces,_*
*_The solemn temples, the great globe itself,_*
*_Ye all which it inherit, shall dissolve_*
*_And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,_*
*_Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff_*
*_As dreams are made on, and our little life_*
*_Is rounded with a sleep._*
Oooh love it! So fitting. Love Shakespeare! And he himself referencing another playwright. So double fitting. ❤
Yes, something of them remains. Jonas = Sonja and Martha = Marek.
Yup.. It's definitely implied that Jonas and Martha will be reborn into the Origin world. The clues are everywhere.
@masteronionnorth2341 I disagree. They will not be "reborn". Hannah's baby is not our Jonas. My point is "something" of them remains.
I would think of it the other way round. The destroyed world had its echoes in Adam's and Eva's world.
During the show anytime somebody time travels the lights flicker or go off... Could it be that the lights flickering was indicating that somebody was time traveling?😮
Ah, you missed it!
At the start of the "end scene", they clearly showed a happy family photo of Claudia, Regina... and Bernd Doppler. It's a happy sight, and nice to see them enjoy being a family... but it's still a bit creepy.
There was a scene somewhere in season 2, where young Claudia comes to the Doppler villa (for one of her lessons with Helge, I think), and encounters Bernd, who tells her how grown up she looks, and that, if she wants something, she should go and take it. Which she then goes and does... take Tronte.
Considering that she is twelve at that point, he is certainly at least three times her age, and they will end up (in our story worlds) having an affair, while she is going to work for him and following him to run the power plant... it's a bit jarring for our current morality setting.
And you forgot to mention Bernadette in your list of present persons! Of course she would be there at that dinner with her brother. And it's so nice to see that she has a happy end as well, being able to be openly together with Peter.
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The bunker door was of course _the_ clue that there was something more that we had been shown before. Jonas' and Martha's world are mirrored... a door opening right in Jonas' world open left in Martha's world. So the door opening upwards was a sign that it couldn't be either.
Main problem here: while it was a great point in terms of visual story-telling... it doesn't make sense. No one would _build_ a bunker door in that way.
...
Before the last episode was first shown, there was a lot of speculation in the community. One idea for the ending was that Martha and Jonas showing up in the "origin world" would _cause_ the accident of Tannhaus' family... thus _starting_ the whole loop. It would have been an interesting and fitting variant... but perhaps a bit too "dark".
In that way... Tannhaus succeeded. He created a time machine to bring back his family... and by doing that, he set up the story that... would bring back his family. Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey.
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The show isn't perfect. No story can be, and especially not one dealing with such a difficult and counter-factual concept like time-travel. There are a ton of open questions left, and some questions that are very sloppily answered.
The thing that I personally think is most jarring is the story shift between season 1 and 2. It hadn't been that obvious when the show first aired... there was a year of pause between the first two seasons... but at repeated rewatching it end to end, it is noticable:
The first season was all about that mysterious room. The chair. The missing children. THE WHOLE SEASON revolved around that.
Then, in season two, it is done away in a single sideline sentence, and never ever mentioned again. It's just one of the things that exist, because they exist.
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In that regard: my favorite pet theory (I may have mentioned it before)...
At that point in the story, we have only the 33 year cycle travel, be it directly via the cave or indirectly via the chair. We know that events in one time period still follow the normal flow of time... but you can switch to exactly 33 (or 66) years from that.
We know - get to see - when Mads was "send", because we see him arrive. We see - by the story telling and directly written dates - when Erik (and then Yasin) were "send". Erik was strapped into the chair and send to 1953 just one day after Mads turned up in 2019.
Now we know that Erik has been missing for almost two weeks at that point. We are also told that Mads had been missing for quite some time when Mikkel showed up in 1986.
That leaves us with only one conclusion: they had been imprisoned together in the bunker for that whole time. When we first saw Erik in episode one, he seems extremely frightened. Which would be understandable, if we realize that he had just witnessed his co-prisoner being strapped to the chair and basically disintegrated.
Of course it would not have been a good idea from a story telling perspective to show us this as that point in the show... but it would have been an interesting part to tell: how these two boys interacted.
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Some may think that I'm too critical of this show. I'm not. I'm critical of the flaws exactly _because_ it is such a great show. When something is just meh, for better or worse, you watch it, enjoy it, forget about it. But when something is of such a stunning quality like "Dark"... you just want it to be perfect.
The scene between Claudia and Bernd was in S3E4
@@ManifoldMold Thank you. It's been a while since I watched the show in totality, and even a thorough reaction like Carmen's can only provide snippets.
Af year after the fifth or sixth rewatch, it's kinda hard to remember just where certain scenes were placed.
dude no one is reading all of that
@@Groffili Regina was born in 1971 I think so Claudia would have gotten pregnant in 1970 when she was what 29/30 Still a May/Dec affair to be sure
@@harryballsak1123 True, the result of any relationship didn't manifest until well into "legal" territory... but a grown up (and much older) man telling a girl barely in her teens how "pretty and all grown up" she is and giving her a huge amount of money for "her services" is a bit creepy. Especially if you later learn that they did ending up having a child.
I'm very careful with the accusations that are so popular in our days... but you could say that this is a sign of "grooming".
Though some might also say that Claudia is shown as a very self-secure, even domineering person, and not easily (mis)led. So who could say which side initiated any later affair?
Still, this scene and the way Bernd acts here gives me some very creepy vibes.
I hope that someday you react to 12 Monkeys - another great time travel show.
The way i interpret the ending, is that there are matrix within the matrix, and endless worlds within worlds with endless combinations of events in them. And we've only seen 2 worlds branching from "origin world" up until the last scene, and last scene suggests that "origin world" might be one of the two branches from another "origin world". In essence, all these worlds are just part of endless matrix.
let's delete our comments if someone proves us that our arguments are nonsense.
he knows who he is...
Hmmm, is it someone who really loves to argue with random people over things they never said (and ignores them when they patiently explain further, simply continuing to argue)? Heheh
@@falsenostalgia-shannon I'm not sure I understand what u're meaning...
@@allienmecaca Just making a guess about who you meant. I’d noticed they’re very argumentative, and they’ve deleted some comments they had left on this video.
@@falsenostalgia-shannon I thought you talking about me :D
There's nothing wrong with arguing your point tho but this guy decided to delete his og comment so all the sub comments disappear, instead of proving his points with logical arguments.
What nearly no one realises is, that it was all for nothing. Jonas and Martha travel to the origin world to prevent Tannhäuser from building the time machine, so the two worlds will never exist, so Jonas and Martha will never exist, so they can't travel to the origin world to change things. The loop direct restarts with season 1 episode 1.
Like they said, the begining is the end and the end is the begining.
Time paradoxa are really fucked up.
i disagree or at least I don't think it's what the creators intended for the message to be - because that would mean that Claudia, who has been preaching about how everything always had to happen the way it happened, would've suddenly forgotten about it and decided that now she believed in being able to change things. But the whole show is about determinism against free will. The invention of time travel in the origin world (basically representing our world) lead to the creation of the two combined worlds and only because time travel now exists, everything now follows the theory of determinism. The origin world however is a world of free will. So once Jonas and Martha go there, changing things is now possible, so they stop the invention of time travel (which - again - created the deterministic worlds and time knots) which leads to their destruction, but keeps the origin world intact. This also subtly implies that the creators believe that there is free will in our world, in our reality. Which is quite a soothing thought after having watched 3 seasons of how destructible a life lead by determinism would be.
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