Building A Water Cooling Wall & Adding A Shade Cloth To The Greenhouse
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Early this spring or late last year I picked up enough water wall panels to build 2 greenhouse water walls. A lady was selling a lot of her greenhouse pieces. I was able to get them for pennies on the dollar. I just had to figure how to fabricate everything else so that it would work. Take a look at the video and tell me what you think.
As much time as you spend in your greenhouse I bet this is a dream come true. Thanks for the ideas
It really is nice in there since I stood up the water wall. I just made some improvements that will be in one of my upcoming videos.
Chuck
I love watching your videos because I learn about problem solving and adaptation. You always show the nuts and bolts which is great. The greenhouse looks great.
+DonnaldaSmolens That means the world to me Donnalda. Thank you! How is your garden this year. I haven't seen a video from your yard in a long time?
Chuck
I am shopping for a camera to make videos. And dealing with major nutrient shortage problems. Year round gardening is not as easy as I thought it would be. Having to do more research on renewing nutrients and still having food every day. But it is getting better slowly.
I look forward to seeing how this are in you garden when you get your new camera! Thanks Sister!
Chuck
Water wall swamp coolers are great. I used them In Kuwait to keep me and Marines cool in that dry hot air! great job man these things are really good at what they do!!!
It really makes a huge difference in there. Once I can run both fans it will even be better.
Chuck
Shaping up nicely! I know you're not done but I love to see all the changes along the way. I use to think I should hide all the changes that I make but I think people like to see the way your garden develops or greenhouse in this case :)
Yeah Benja I show it all. good and bad! lol
Chuck
Hi Chuck, Looking good - you're a braver man than me with some of your modifications! Glad to see that you achieved what you want to though. Thanks for sharing.
+Alan Williams Once again I have to think you for promoting my video on Twitter Alan. I really appreciate you!
Chuck
Nice Wall, and happy birthday too! The shade cloth is a fantastic idea. Sure needed for a structure your size.
Thank John on both counts. It has made a significant difference!
Chuck
Looks awesome Chuck! Pretty cool project! I'm totally going to do this when I have my own greenhouse!
+GardenWithJenny Feel free to ask if you have questions when you build your Jenny. I have probably made every mistake that you could make with mine!
Chuck
it's definitely looking good very nice job
Thanks
Chuck
Not one plant can complain :-) Hard work, care and attention to detail, all contribute to what is shaping up into a perfect greenhouse. My husband will definitely watch this tonight, he enjoys watching your progress. BTW don't think I forgot, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! :-)
+Cultivating Organic by Jo & Mig Thank you Jo and Jo's Hubby! I an hoping that now I can clean up the greenhouse and get down to more growing and less building for the summer.
Thanks for the birthday wishes to my very good friend.
Chuck
You are having way to much fun! Keep up the great work. Happy late Birthday!!
+CB's Greenhouse and Garden It is a lot of fun. Thank you for the birthday wish as well my friend!
Chuck
Happy Belated Birthday Chuck! everything looks great. I've never seen a water wall like this before, it's pretty cool!
Thanks for the birthday wishes Mary Ann. The water wall is literally pretty cool! 😭
Chuck
Just awesome video n very informative.Plz send us the video on how u created the wall??!
Huge greenhouse, the temperatures is good for carnivorous plants like Nepenthes.
That worked out really great. A bit of thought and hard work, and it just keeps getting better. You can't do all that, and keep things in perfect order. I first have to wreck my entire house before I can get it the way I want it, and do it right. So don't worry about it being so neat when your doing hard work, it will be perfect in the end. Besides, I'm more interested in what your doing, and why, then how clean the greenhouse is. Just think, one day, after you have everything up, then we can hound you about not keeping a perfectly clean greenhouse!!! LOL I hope you had a wonderful Birthday, and bless you for sharing your work with us, I really do love it. Bless, Sheila
+Sheila6325 Love ALl of that Sheila. You are truly a blessing to me sister. Believe it or not...... I am a bit OCD and the mess drives me crazy. OCD and ADHD and DRIVE are not good combinations to have and I have them all.
Chuck
Fensterfarm Greenhouse Trust me, I'm the same, and I love order, but after all these years, I'm finally figuring it out, that I can wait on things, even though they still "talk" to me and try to remind me that I haven't finished them yet. I am getting better at it though. LOL Looks like we are two peas in a pod. I've also found that I'm too old to be driven anymore, and find it easier to tell that "pest" to shut up! LOL I even have a new goal. I intend to find all the scripture I can, that has anything good to say about us as believers, and toss it into the face of that nagging brain of mine. Not positive thinking, just good old, tried and true, word of God. Let my brain answer to that!!! Bless, Sheila
AMEN. Pass any of that scripture onto me and I'll commit it to memory to do the same thing.
Chuck
Fensterfarm Greenhouse Will do. Sheila
They should make the "shade cloth" White to reflect the sun. Seems crazy to use Black as it absorbs the sun.
John Chase I believe they have a white cloth but I’ve never tried it. Sounds logical though!
I may give it a shot after these wear out. They aren’t cheap. Nothing is cheap on these monsters!
Lol
Thanks for following along!
Chuck
Maybe they use it for the winter
Great job!Good luck Mr Chuck!
+Catalin Oancea Thank you so much for following along. You are almost always the 1st to reply!
Chuck
Nice Upgrade, and happy late birthday.
+Vegitate Gardening Thank you on both my friend!
Chuck
how long aprox. does the cardboard material the water runs through last until it needs replacing and is it very expensive when it needs to be replaced? great video by the way thanks for taking the time to do it.
The pads last about 4 years.
The first set I bought were used and I kept them for 5 years and they were falling apart. If you notice flaky particles in the reservoir it’s time to replace them. That causes clogging in the distribution system and that’s no good! lol
Hope that helps?
Chuck
@@FensterfarmGreenhouse thank you for the info.
@@aaronowen4425 look up Farmer Boy inc. that’s where I get them.
Hint… look for the closest one to you so you can pick them up. Shipping is outrageous.
Hello Chuck, have you got a top up system for your container to account for evaporation. Thankyou for sharing your latest video.
😆 Happily watching on my own allotment channel in North Warwickshire, England.
Terry.
+Terry King I do Terry. I guess I should show how that works in another video. I use horse trough water float valves in all of my hydroponic and in the water wall reservoirs. It keeps the reservoirs full at all times. It will automatically fill once the water takes the float valve below a certain level.
Chuck
awesome your doing a great job I love it!
+shartne Thank you for following me in this journey my friend.
Chuck
Thank you ~ my greenhouse is much smaller and is used for our hydroponic system so I'm trying to figure a way that we could incorporate a water wall inside. Florida gets really hot in the summer
+Judith Griffith no problem. Love to see how yours turns out!
Chuck
Very interesting.
looking good ... Make sure you use some mosquito net on the outside of your wet wall to stop bugs getting sucked in ... with temp's like that, there will be no stopping you buddy .. awesome..
+GreenEvolutions I have not seen any get through yet. Where do you get netting on that scale?
Chuck
+Fensterfarm Greenhouse it's pretty common stuff... ask the woman you got the pads form for a horticultur suplyer... they will have it... I get rolls of it over here I'm sure it's widely available in the state's... might be a internet order for you... you will be glad you took the trouble to get it...
+GreenEvolutions I will check on that. I have used a company called Zoro for things like that in the past. They may even supply those.
Thanks
Chuck
Thank you so much
+Judith Griffith you are so very welcome Judith
Chuck
What is your inside humidity% before and after.
Turned out pretty good, Chuck! Yeah, you definitely need more water, so the bigger pump was a good idea! Are you planning to ad back the shutters? You could add more to what you already had, and still get enough airflow. When winter gets here, you are going to need that closed off, but still be able to ventilate! Just my .02 ; )
+Keyplayr61 Greenhouse Hydroponics And Gardens I will not be adding the shutters to this GH Keith. I will probably install them in GH#2 should I ever have time to build it???
When I reworked that end wall to frame in the water wall, I added wire channel around the frame to secure the plastic to the new frame. I will just be putting 2 layers of plastic over the new opening and using the channel and wiggle wire to secure it. Should be just like the opening was never there without having to take anything down. If I need some ventilation before it gets hot enough to remove it entirely, I will just remove a little of the wire at a time from the outside. Hope that makes sense?
Chuck
I gotcha! The only thing is having to button it back up every night ; )
What size holes did you drill in the PVC pipe? How did the system hold up?
It’s still going strong. Give it a good cleaning every spring or fall when it is cooler. I went to 1/8” from 1/16” I believe. Make sure the pump you use is strong enough to pump the volume that the pipe displaces so that all of your pads get wet.
Hope that helps!
You will love that thing!!!
Chuck
if it drops the temp with the reservoir inside what would happen if you buried your reservoir or ran your cooling pipes under ground. I would check your in and outlet temps.nice job any trouble with algae
Never seen one of those before. With the fish tank and the water wall what has the relative humidity gone up to?
+Dale Calder I will check that as soon as I get a gauge that will measure that. I'll let you know Dale!
Chuck
Those panels look like the ones they use on big farm chicken houses. Occasionally they come up for sale around here, since there are a lot of high production chicken farms and it gets crazy hot here in the summer.
+Ann Crum (MiniHomesteadNews) buy them when they become available. They are not cheap when you buy new. (Evaporative Cooler Replacement Pad - 12 x 24 x 6" - ULINE - Qty of 3 for $177 + shipping) I used 20 of them in my setup.
Chuck
Next time I see some for sale I will. I may not be remembering right, but I'm thinking I saw the used ones for like $20? Senior brain here...lol
that is a great deal on them. ( i got all 45 of mine for 50 dollars total) That is a once in a lifetime deal though!
Chuck
Is a wet wall the same as a swamp cooler?
Yes it cools with the same principle. Just a much larger configuration.
Chuck
@@FensterfarmGreenhouse Many thanks! This is the solution I've been looking for. I really didn't want to install an air conditioning unit and I live in an extremely dry climate, so pumping water into the air is extremely efficient! Subscribed! Love your channel!!!
Why didn't you use aluminum wall studs to make the frame of the unit? The aluminum wall studs have a natural recess and could make a good framework that would not rot. If you ever have to replace the wood go with aluminum wall studs.
Kyu Lee - van Wijk very good points. I may do that in the future too. I was trying to come up with something that would work quickly. I had to design it myself since all I had was the panels and nothing else from the original system. I had never even seen one in person before I built this one. Lol
Just glad it worked!
Chuck
So I don't think you ever mention the outside temp or the inside temp with no fans or water wall on. During one month out of my summer each year we get near 120 degrees outside and stays 105 at night. Would the shade and water wall reduce that 120 down to 80 where I'd like to see it?
Winters in southern Utah are most years at a night time low of 22 degrees. Ever few years we will get down to 8-9 degrees int h dead of winter. It's pretty easy to heat a green house here though, so I'm not worried about that.
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Depending on the humidity outside of the greenhouse I can usually get 20 degrees below ambient. The larger the water wall and the stronger the exhaust system the more drop you should get.
Chuck
I live in a very dry climate all year round. We get occasional rain which natural cools the ambient air and earth temporarily.
26% humidity through the summer
Hey Chuck as always loved the video but as usual I have questions! Where did you get the evap panels you are using? I looked at a few on line and man are they expensive. Also we hooked up some misters last summer on the deck and the humidity was so high they didn't work very well. Are you concerned about that? I ordered shade cloth as well but we haven't even gotten into the 80's yet so haven't needed it (SE Va). I love what you are doing.
+Rick Cragg I bought mine used from someone that was selling greenhouses and some of the equipment that was in them. (evaporative cooler pads evaporative cooling pad,12x4x60 in.,pk5
from Zoro). Google that. they are not cheep but I found these yesterday for another subscriber and they are by far the cheapest I have found..
Chuck
Where to buy this crazy cardboard for wet wall ? If someone could help me ! I’d very much appreciate advice, thanks :)
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Let me know how that wet wall works! I know I looked at one an it was going to take about .25 gallons per min to keep it running ! When you start sucking air across it you will start loosing all the water out of it. Do you have a video on ho you made it or where you got the cellulose fiber? I may have missed that
+Leesville Aquaponics Homestead I can tell you that it drops the temp about 15 to 20 degrees in there already. It is wonderful. I will be able to work in there all summer with the combination of the water wall and the shade cloth.
I was able to score the panels from a lady that was downsizing on her farm by getting rid of several greenhouses and pieces of those greenhouses. Those panels sell for over 60 dollars a piece plus shipping whey you purchase them new and I got them for better than 1/20th of that price. I have not done a video on where they came from they just show up in the greenhouse in February on my video "Grow Bags, Dutch Buckets, & Algae".
Chuck
Wont the cardboard rot over a short amount of time?
It is coated with something but I have only owned them for about 3 months. I will keep everyone posted with how it holds up as we go along.
Vhuvk
Cool man:) Please do keep us posted!
Yes, you'll lose a lot of water but you probably won't be running it 24/7. What if you divided the pipe into 2 or 3 zones? Great job as usual. I was planning on getting 30% as my concern is sun intensity and I can use the cloth like your wall. did you get the reflective cloth? I have a timer from my grow room that will allow me to mist say, every 10 min for 30 sec, as an example.
+David Dube' I am actually setting it up on the thermostat that I had for the shutters. Should work nicely. I just bought a 1/2 hp utility pump for the system and it pushes more than enough pressure through the sprayer pipe. In fact I am putting a ball valve in to regulate it a bit.
I did not get the reflective cloth. Some of the reviews said that it was not as durable and became brittle over time.
I also have a float valve in the reservoir that keeps the water level constant. What water I loose in evaporation I never see in the tote.
Chuck
Fensterfarm Greenhouse Thanks Chuck, good info!
+David Dube' Glad to help.
Chuck
Happy birthday, chuck. My birthday is the 23rd so you are older. LOL. Why did you choose the corrugated board? That is an interesting choice.
The choice wasn't really a choice. It was what the lady was selling on craigslist. :-) This is what they sell for greenhouse waterwall panels and swamp cooler panels.
Chuck
Awesome job. I might have missed this, but how are you going to keep the cold out during the winter?
+Silvermoonacres I will put plastic over it from the outside in the wire track. I built it with winter in mind as well.
Chuck
Awesome video I just one question what are the size of those panels and if you know where to get them because I find them but a lot smaller than those
Won't the cardboard wall fall apart ? And is the water source buried in the ground to keep it cool or is it cycled from the Aquaponics?
John Chase It is a coated craft paper product so it lasts several years. Just have to be careful with it. Cleaning it can be tricky! I have an above ground reservoir that cycles through this system and the water is cooled by the air moving through it. The 2 huge exhaust fans on the opposite side of the house pull air through it at a rapid rate and it’s amazing how cool the air is on the inside when it’s running.
Chuck
"Cool" setup. Well done. What do you plan to do in the winterabout the hole?
I put wiggle wire channel around the hole outside the greenhouse and covered it with 2 layers of plastic. It has worked well so far!
What is the coated paper called. I'd like to find some.
my friends roll up the sides to reduce the temps, what will this effect keeping it warm in the winter?
+Rev John O'Toole I had retractable side curtains on my last greenhouse John and I ended up with too many varmints / critters/ bugs in the greenhouse. Plus it really didn't cool the house off like I had hoped. When I purchased this greenhouse the manufacture told me that the airflow system in this greenhouse would keep it cooler than side curtains would even without the water wall and he was right. I just took it to the next level (as I often do) by adding the shade cloth and the water wall.
I also ran the wire channel around the frame of the endwall that I just modified for the evaporation panels so that I can close up the greenhouse with 2 layers of plastic when the cold weather arrives so it would be like the water wall was never there from the outside of the house. Hope that made sence!
Thanks John
Chuck
what size are the panels in your video ? Uline has panels to fit a 16" and 36" cooler but yours look much larger . Are you planning on using a fan with your system ?
+Judith Griffith Mine are 12' X 72". The ones that are still left stacked in the corner are 12" X 60". I use the (2) 42" exhaust fans on the other end of the greenhouse to pull air through them. I also have 4 high velocity horizontal air flow fans in there to circulate the air should I need them. Those fans are used more for heating the GH than cooling though.
Chuck
Great video ~ I have never heard of a water wall. Do you know where I could purchase water wall panels ? Thank you
+Judith Griffith Evaporative Cooler Replacement Pad - 12 x 24 x 6" - ULINE - Qty of 3
from ULINE. They list for $177 for 3 of them plus shipping.
Not cheap Judith, but if they last 5-10 years they would be well worth that to me.
Chuck
First, happy belated birthday! Second, stupid question: you mentioned the water wall was corrugated cardboard. Will it dilapidate over time? Working on my garden as we speak. Cheers!
+Belles Human Thank you sister! It was a great birthday this year. My eldest daughter gave me another grandson the day before my birthday. I suppose that it will degrade over a few years but they sell replacement panels (3 for 175 dollars). Kind of pricey but if I get 5 -10 years out of them I will replace them. The difference in temps in that greenhouse is amazing.
I cannot wait to see your garden. BTW, what do I call you? Belles?
God Bless,
Chuck
+Fensterfarm Greenhouse Congratulations! I hear grand babies are the best! My name is Shannon. Belle is my pup. Cheers!
There are not many things that I love more than gardening in my greenhouse but grand kids are definitely one of those things. I will try to remember your name going forward. Have a great weekend Shannon!
Chuck
+Belles Human It's coated Kraft paper. It will last quite a while, if proper maintenance is performed.
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks!
Have you had any issues with mold in the cooling blocks?
No. A little algae in the reservoir but I add a little bleach to the water and it clears up when I notice it’s there.
Chuck
@@FensterfarmGreenhouse thank you
Mold and mildews cant exist when moving air is present.
Ben Maddux it’s a coated corrugated cardboard. About 6” thick
should have the shade inside the hood rather then outside. as it is black colour which will absorb heat into the hood if place outside.
That type of shade cloth is made to go outside the house.
Bro. how is your cooling wall doing now? is it will increase humidity in green house?
It absolutely does increase the humidity but it cools as it does. If it’s already pretty humid outside the greenhouse it does not cool as well.
I’m putting another one in one of my other greenhouses this summer.
Chuck
What was used for the evaporative cardboard filter?
Those pads are made of a coated craft paper of some sort. They sell them at greenhouse supply companies.
What was the temp difference inside and out?
Depending on the humidity outside it can make a 20 degree difference.
Chuck
Would less humidity be better? I’m in a dry climate
Could you please tell the size of the green house? Thanks
30'X96'. Thanks for following along!
Chuck
are you running the water on a closed loop using aquaponics water if so do you lose alot of water to evaporation?
No, I use well water for the cooling system James. It is a closed loop system but it is separate from the aquaponics water. I do lose quite a bit through evaporation in the cooling system but the amount that I lose through aquaponics is hard to determine when you factor in the amount consumed by the plants growing in it?
Hope that helps, Thanks for following along my friend!
Chuck
We used to use off the shelf swamp coolers when I worked on oil rigs in West Texas and New Mexico and they work like a dream there. I'm thinking about moving to West Texas soon and want to get into aquaphonics but we will be living inside city limits so no well water sadly.
Make some videos when you do that. I just subbed your channel so that I won't miss it!
Chuck
Will do
how much temperature drop wil occur if i install it in a shed?
It all depends on the humidity outside the building. I get about a 15 to 20 degree drop inside once it kicks on.
@@FensterfarmGreenhouse Thanks sir is their any formula to calculate i am thinking of starting a mushroom farm without ac using these coolers as mushrooms need both less temperature and humidity above 80percent ..
Nitin Rana that system will do both. I am not aware of a formula. The more air that you pull through it the better it cools. I just went as big as I could go. Good luck!
Chuck
Where did u get the greemhouse and how much
Jeremy Ure Atlas manufacturing out of Georgia. It was a little over 17,000 everything included. Heater. Exhaust fans and shutters and circulating fans. Oh and the thermostats too.
That also covers the flooring and both layers of greenhouse film to cover it.
Hope that helps.
I bought the other 3 greenhouses from a lady that sold her business. Paid 5000 for all 3. I had to take them down though.
Chuck
your son need to make another jam
He is moving to Japan! :(
Chuck