I prefer John Byrne. I used to think and still do that JRJr's art is kinda ugly, messy and amateurish. Plus all the faces look swollen and alike, botox pillow muppet face before the discovery of Botox. LOL
This was a really good video. Thank you for giving us a history lesson. As such a horrible event that the Mutant Massacre was, it kinda just gets lumped in with “all the bad things that happen to those people.” This is a great reminder of how devastating this truly was.
That frame of Colossus holding Riptide's dead body, while telling Harpoon to make peace with his Gods gave me chills back when it was first published. It was the end of Peter's innocence for sure.
I bought all the crossover comics with the mutant massacre in it. What a powerful storyline and I've never forgotten it. Because of that, I've always loved the Morlocks and Arclight is one of my favorite mutants of all time. So many powerful storylines here, where do you start? Angel getting his wings broken and skewered, Colossus losing his innocence, Riptide showing that Colossus' armor is not impregnable, etc.
I was also in 6th grade in 86 but I didn’t read this story until I bought the trade paperback about 8 years ago. I wasn’t into Comics back than but when all the MCU stuff started rolling it got me into Marvel comics and especially the X-men (which is odd considering Mutants aren’t in the MCU)
Loved this. I was really emotionally invested during this great era. I love seeing scalphunter brought back into the stories again, he was always a badass.
I was a big XMen comic fan during this point in time (late 80s?). Loved this. When TSR came out with their Marvel RPG game I stopped DMing D&D and started a Marvel RPG group. I made this Morlock Massacre event a game campaign for my players. Was very fun!
This was very well done! Unless I missed it, I was hoping you'd of explained Sinister's motives for his genocide - I know the answer of course, I just thought it woulda been kool to mention it is all
Great video! Even though Krakoa is opening it’s doors to everyone I still kinda want the marauders to get some karma. Not dying again or anything but at least being called out. I wouldn’t even been surprised if Greycrow is the only Marauder to feel some type of way about the Mutant Massacre so I think Callisto and the rest of the Morlocks are justified for getting a little revenge.
The OG Marauders have been cloned and killed so many times, they are currently in zombie state controled by Maddy, I think they already had their karma, I would like to see them being confronted by the Morlocks tho.
Yeah I guess your right. The Morlocks confronting them would be cool to see. Honestly I really would like to explore some characters who haven’t gotten over past grudges. Because I doubt every mutant suddenly decided “yeah we’re all cool now” for the years long grudges some have had or mutants who just want revenge.
I'm gonna add the original Marauders and Sinister to my list of people that consciously committed major crimes against mutantdom and are still welcomed on Krakoa while Wanda is treated as a bogeyman. Love your videos though, no one does it better than you!
Right.....mass murderes....just plain downright evil on the island(selene)...and Wanda is told to young mutants as something scary underneath their beds!
@@shawngatewood3673 Wanda depowered millions of mutants, thousands of which died in tragic accidents when their powers snuffed out mid activity like Magma's boyfriend, and by suicide when that random flying mutant jumped off the top of the X Mansion.
I guess it’s because Wanda is A. Not a mutant and B. I suppose Krakoa would rather die a mutant than live life as human. Also all of the mutants that did die from the depowerment as well. Idk those are just my thoughts on it.
Warren and Kitty are the two mutants that suffered the biggest and longest, even had their powers altered, by the massacre. Kurt = was in a coma and didn't wake up until after X-Men died in Dallas. This complicated his previous injuries from Nimrod and had trouble teleporting, limited for a long time to 1 or 2 jumps a day. It wasn't until Excalibur's 3-part story "Promethium Exchange" and a encounter with Doom that he was cured. Colossus= in his armored form he couldn't loose blood but Magneto discovered he was 'leaking energy" from his injuries. Mags stopped that, but he was left paralyzed for a time but was up and moving before long. And he rejoined the X-Men in time for the fiasco "death in Dallas". On their rebirth and going into hiding, it was discovered he had trouble trouble turning back to flesh. His armored form is even denser and stronger now. He had some trouble readjusting as it affected his sense of touch in armored form, not realizing just how much pressure he was applying. Warren= you covered him good, His injuries to his wings lead to them being amputated, in a state of depression, he tried to commit suicide. Apocalypse interfered, altering Warren into the horseman Death, giving him metal wings and blue skin that he had for a long time. Kitty= Out of all them, Kitty came closest to death from her injuries. Suffering from molecular discorporation, she did loose her physical form, both in solidness and its shape. In FF vs X, #4 she looked like a cloud with a face. While Doom & Richards was able to re-intergrate her form, the aftermath saw phasing becoming her natural state of existence. She had to concentrate to become solid. While later on it became easier for her to maintain her concentration and seem like she was "back to normal" she wasn't. IT took years before her natural state of existence became tangibility again.
Wish you you would of highlighted the Power Pack tie-in as well. While the Powers have tangent connections to the X-Men & co, the Massacre touched them rather strongly too.
The Marauders and Mr Sinister were my favourite characters, though they never flesh out the team enough and I hated that they removed any of them (other than Sabretooth) from Mister Sinister's employ, I also LOATHED that they retconned Gambit's involvement, which as just stupid. Each of the Marauders had unique and interesting power sets: I LOVED Prism, his look was incredible, the alien, crystalline head (Ramos really nailed his look on the cover of X-Men 203 (2007)) and despite the pathetic way of dying, could have be levelled up so much with light based energy blast type powers if they ever used him MM. Scrambler's ability to mess up systems whether it be machinery or living was such a tactical advantage, I always saw him as the weapons or systems analyst for the marauders, the comms guy or the pilot/driver for missions. Vertigo as front line, almost like a scout who could cause vertigo before the heavy hitters like Arclight and Sabretooth arrived. Malice being a ghost like entity to inhabit others I always saw as someone who would be closest to Mister Sinister, I like the idea that she had been with him from the beginning and followed him around to create the Marauders. Then Scalphunter, Harpoon and Riptide coming in and just throwing out massive amounts of projectiles was their role, with Scalphunter being their leader, Arclight his second. I dunno, I really fleshed out their backgrounds and it was a pity they never followed up with this incredible team and then retconning the whole MM with Gambit ruined everything.
Mutant massacre was the end of a status quo for the X-men series that they never really recovered from IMO. To me after that the series struggles to try and put itself back together and goes in all of these crazy directions until the fated X-MEN #1 reboot in the 89’s reset and out the team back together against a familiar foe
THANK YOU FOR THE LAST CONSIDERATIONS! That it's time to do something about the Morlocks and the justice they deserve for what happened back in the days! I REALLY hope that Hickman is going to plan something about them 'cause in the course of the years Morlocks went through so many horrible things, not only the mutant massacre. Now I truly think that they should have a #ONEJOYSPOTLIGHT!
Great video, especially regarding the impact it has (or should have) in the Krakoa era. This is one of the reasons I stopped reading the book, because I couldn't reconcile the X-Men history with what was being done in a book that pretty much asked the readers to rely on said history. Has any of this been adressed properly in the book?
Can we get a morlocks comic. I wanna know what the doing on krakoa and how are the pulling there weight. I know callisto doing something but she can't br the only one
"It is revealed that the Morlocks were a creation of the dark beast an evil 😈 version of Dctor Hank McCoy from an alternative time ⌚ line ⚟ called Earth 925." 🌎
"It is revealed that Gambit was employed by Mister Sinister, in return for the surgery for his powers through brain 🧠 stem, Mister Sinister hires Gambit to assemble the Marauders to slaughter the Morlocks under Mister sinister's orders, Gambit was temporarily expelled from the x-men for taking his part in the massacre."
The Mutant Massacre was the best event by far and to top that off The Fall Of The Mutants came right after that and the let's not forget X MEN INFERNO....When Madelyn Pryor was the Goblin Queen...i wonder if hickman is going to bring her back....that would be awesome
Betsy Braddock was telepathic, not telekinetic. Also the dark Phoenix saga saw an entire star system destroyed. But yes it was also devastating to lose Phoenix and then later Cyclops leaving.
@@jorienwachukwu466 her powers were kind of in flux from time to time, during the Fall of the Mutants even she would have precognitive flashes, so having a little TK wouldn’t be too far of a stretch. I just never saw her demonstrating it.
This came out before I was reading comics so it took me a few years to actually get around to it. I was surprised at the structure of the story that was less a traditional hero vs. villain and instead felt like the X-Men dealing with a flash flood.
If we used a Jewish slur in a comic book, I'm sure that would have drawn the ire of the community. Some SJW White girl who thinks mutants are the same thing as Black people going through racial injustice is an inaccurate comparison, if not insulting as mutants aren't real.
Yes, very informative for the younger readers about the history of heroes and villains alike, my current beef is the villains being lumped together with every mutant on Krakoa, almost glorifying their murderous acts, I would not like to be in the same area with anyone who killed others for sure!
Actually this Sinister on the Quiet Council is NOT the same Sinister that ordered the Massacre. Remember a few points= 1- Original Sinister is mutated by Apocalypse and not a mutant. 2- When X & Magneto go to talk to Sinister, there are a huuuuge group of Sinister clones in the room. Many have different personalities than the main one. Then one of which shoots and kills the main one X was first talking to. 3- This sassy one reveals that during his process to clone himself, Sinister spliced mutant DNA into one clone and he is that one single clone that is a mutant. So while they seem to share memories there are differences. More importantly Sinister is nuttier than we thought.
Sorry but you're wrong. The Sinister who ordered the Morlock Massacre was wearing the very same cloak the mutant clone of Sinister was so obsessed with in Dawn of X so it's the same person. And let's not forget when Sinister mentions the event at other times he always says "He" ordered it, not some previous human clone.
@@damianpatterson9363 Obsessions with a cloak, does not make a villain. The one who orders the Morlock Massacre is the same fellow who was alive back in Victorian times, (seen in prior Cott/Jean miniseris, also reveals Sinister was human, not mutant, who was altered by Big A). Sinister had a different personality, more serious. Of course he still sees himself as Sinister and claims everything priot as 'his', even the original Marauders; He is looney as hell, and unlike Maddy, clone of Jean, Sinister clones seem to have memories of past selves: Way back in last issue of the first volume, we see Sinister cloning himself, using it as a 'rebirth' and continuing on his prior train of thought. The scene is obvious in HOX/POX, there are several clones and one shoots "main" one who had a personality more aligned to how Sinister behaved in the past. He clearly states he is a clone that is made with tweaking his DNA, making him a mutant. This Sinister is the first known mutant chimera (Sinister's chimeras shown in one of Moira's past lives), he added John Proudstar's DNA to his own during a cloning process.
@@Katzztar That makes absolutely no sense. The whole point of the HOX/POX issue showing the audience that the main Sinister initially met by Xavier and Magneto is not wearing a cloak is to make that he's the Victorian era Sinister because the Sinister in the Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix was also not wearing a cloak. He is then killed by the Sinister wearing a cloak to show the audience that he's the Sinister we were first introduced to during the Mutant Massacre. The further proof is that POX #4 tells us the meeting between Xavier, Magneto and Sinister happened at X0 time, ten years before the current events which also places it before the Mutant Massacre.
This was deeply disturbing to me at the time and sadly set the tone for the doom and endless dread that characterized the X-Men though the 90's which led to me dumping them and moving on to comics with originality and class.
This was the event that inspired me to stop buying new comics. It was a lazy way to shake things up. The Marauders were so generic. The art looked rushed. A real whimper of and end to a brilliant era that culminated with Uncanny X-Men 200 and Magneto's redemption.
John Romita Jr, doesn't get nearly the love and respect for his phenomenal X-Men run!
I prefer John Byrne. I used to think and still do that JRJr's art is kinda ugly, messy and amateurish. Plus all the faces look swollen and alike, botox pillow muppet face before the discovery of Botox. LOL
Johns are is terrible and sloppy. John Byrne and Dave Cochran are so much better
This was a really good video. Thank you for giving us a history lesson. As such a horrible event that the Mutant Massacre was, it kinda just gets lumped in with “all the bad things that happen to those people.” This is a great reminder of how devastating this truly was.
That frame of Colossus holding Riptide's dead body, while telling Harpoon to make peace with his Gods gave me chills back when it was first published. It was the end of Peter's innocence for sure.
"Shocking!" 🤯
I bought all the crossover comics with the mutant massacre in it. What a powerful storyline and I've never forgotten it. Because of that, I've always loved the Morlocks and Arclight is one of my favorite mutants of all time.
So many powerful storylines here, where do you start? Angel getting his wings broken and skewered, Colossus losing his innocence, Riptide showing that Colossus' armor is not impregnable, etc.
Mutant Massacre was my very first comic when I was in 6th grade back in 86. Been a fan ever since.
I was also in 6th grade in 86 but I didn’t read this story until I bought the trade paperback about 8 years ago. I wasn’t into
Comics back than but when all the MCU stuff started rolling it got me into Marvel comics and especially the X-men (which is odd considering Mutants aren’t in the MCU)
"Psylocke becomes an official member of the uncanny x-men,for her bravery and courage against the savage and vicious Sabretooth!"
thanks for wrapping it up to the current events. I can see Sinister just kinda shrugging when they bring it up
Mutant Massacre and Inferno were my favorite X-Men storylines!!
Loved this. I was really emotionally invested during this great era. I love seeing scalphunter brought back into the stories again, he was always a badass.
I still have the original pressing where they called harpoon an Eskimo lol
x-men milestones are my fav of your videos
I was a big XMen comic fan during this point in time (late 80s?). Loved this. When TSR came out with their Marvel RPG game I stopped DMing D&D and started a Marvel RPG group. I made this Morlock Massacre event a game campaign for my players. Was very fun!
This was very well done!
Unless I missed it, I was hoping you'd of explained Sinister's motives for his genocide - I know the answer of course, I just thought it woulda been kool to mention it is all
Great video! Even though Krakoa is opening it’s doors to everyone I still kinda want the marauders to get some karma. Not dying again or anything but at least being called out. I wouldn’t even been surprised if Greycrow is the only Marauder to feel some type of way about the Mutant Massacre so I think Callisto and the rest of the Morlocks are justified for getting a little revenge.
The OG Marauders have been cloned and killed so many times, they are currently in zombie state controled by Maddy, I think they already had their karma, I would like to see them being confronted by the Morlocks tho.
Yeah I guess your right. The Morlocks confronting them would be cool to see. Honestly I really would like to explore some characters who haven’t gotten over past grudges. Because I doubt every mutant suddenly decided “yeah we’re all cool now” for the years long grudges some have had or mutants who just want revenge.
Yes that would give some kind of closure to the Morlocks also bring Mr. Sinister to justice as he still seems to be duplicitous with no shame!
I'm gonna add the original Marauders and Sinister to my list of people that consciously committed major crimes against mutantdom and are still welcomed on Krakoa while Wanda is treated as a bogeyman.
Love your videos though, no one does it better than you!
Right.....mass murderes....just plain downright evil on the island(selene)...and Wanda is told to young mutants as something scary underneath their beds!
@@shawngatewood3673 Wanda depowered millions of mutants, thousands of which died in tragic accidents when their powers snuffed out mid activity like Magma's boyfriend, and by suicide when that random flying mutant jumped off the top of the X Mansion.
I guess it’s because Wanda is A. Not a mutant and B. I suppose Krakoa would rather die a mutant than live life as human. Also all of the mutants that did die from the depowerment as well. Idk those are just my thoughts on it.
@@bryanjturner21 add in the fact that no one bothered to get her real help with her mental state
@@IllMatic97 that's not true at all, Professor X spent an extensive amount of time working with her on Genosha.
Warren and Kitty are the two mutants that suffered the biggest and longest, even had their powers altered, by the massacre.
Kurt = was in a coma and didn't wake up until after X-Men died in Dallas. This complicated his previous injuries from Nimrod and had trouble teleporting, limited for a long time to 1 or 2 jumps a day. It wasn't until Excalibur's 3-part story "Promethium Exchange" and a encounter with Doom that he was cured.
Colossus= in his armored form he couldn't loose blood but Magneto discovered he was 'leaking energy" from his injuries. Mags stopped that, but he was left paralyzed for a time but was up and moving before long. And he rejoined the X-Men in time for the fiasco "death in Dallas". On their rebirth and going into hiding, it was discovered he had trouble trouble turning back to flesh. His armored form is even denser and stronger now. He had some trouble readjusting as it affected his sense of touch in armored form, not realizing just how much pressure he was applying.
Warren= you covered him good, His injuries to his wings lead to them being amputated, in a state of depression, he tried to commit suicide. Apocalypse interfered, altering Warren into the horseman Death, giving him metal wings and blue skin that he had for a long time.
Kitty= Out of all them, Kitty came closest to death from her injuries. Suffering from molecular discorporation, she did loose her physical form, both in solidness and its shape. In FF vs X, #4 she looked like a cloud with a face. While Doom & Richards was able to re-intergrate her form, the aftermath saw phasing becoming her natural state of existence. She had to concentrate to become solid. While later on it became easier for her to maintain her concentration and seem like she was "back to normal" she wasn't. IT took years before her natural state of existence became tangibility again.
There's an impact alright : it made me realize how much I prefer X-Factor as far as 80's x-men books go. You're welcome.
Wish you you would of highlighted the Power Pack tie-in as well.
While the Powers have tangent connections to the X-Men & co, the Massacre touched them rather strongly too.
The Marauders and Mr Sinister were my favourite characters, though they never flesh out the team enough and I hated that they removed any of them (other than Sabretooth) from Mister Sinister's employ, I also LOATHED that they retconned Gambit's involvement, which as just stupid.
Each of the Marauders had unique and interesting power sets: I LOVED Prism, his look was incredible, the alien, crystalline head (Ramos really nailed his look on the cover of X-Men 203 (2007)) and despite the pathetic way of dying, could have be levelled up so much with light based energy blast type powers if they ever used him MM. Scrambler's ability to mess up systems whether it be machinery or living was such a tactical advantage, I always saw him as the weapons or systems analyst for the marauders, the comms guy or the pilot/driver for missions. Vertigo as front line, almost like a scout who could cause vertigo before the heavy hitters like Arclight and Sabretooth arrived. Malice being a ghost like entity to inhabit others I always saw as someone who would be closest to Mister Sinister, I like the idea that she had been with him from the beginning and followed him around to create the Marauders. Then Scalphunter, Harpoon and Riptide coming in and just throwing out massive amounts of projectiles was their role, with Scalphunter being their leader, Arclight his second.
I dunno, I really fleshed out their backgrounds and it was a pity they never followed up with this incredible team and then retconning the whole MM with Gambit ruined everything.
You nailed the nail right on the head. The Marauders had so much potential. Hopefully, someday a good writer could do something meaningful with them.
Mutant massacre was the end of a status quo for the X-men series that they never really recovered from IMO. To me after that the series struggles to try and put itself back together and goes in all of these crazy directions until the fated X-MEN #1 reboot in the 89’s reset and out the team back together against a familiar foe
What issue had the bloody writing on the wall inside the first page
Im obsessed with these story line
A top tier X-Event.
THANK YOU FOR THE LAST CONSIDERATIONS! That it's time to do something about the Morlocks and the justice they deserve for what happened back in the days! I REALLY hope that Hickman is going to plan something about them 'cause in the course of the years Morlocks went through so many horrible things, not only the mutant massacre. Now I truly think that they should have a #ONEJOYSPOTLIGHT!
Mutant Massacre Omnibus is coming again this year and im definitely gonna pick it up.
Great video, especially regarding the impact it has (or should have) in the Krakoa era. This is one of the reasons I stopped reading the book, because I couldn't reconcile the X-Men history with what was being done in a book that pretty much asked the readers to rely on said history. Has any of this been adressed properly in the book?
Can we get a morlocks comic. I wanna know what the doing on krakoa and how are the pulling there weight. I know callisto doing something but she can't br the only one
I could definitely go for more Morlocks insights. Krakoa should be a really significant change for them.
Yeah, I'd love that, especially if we got to see what's going on with Marrow and Caliban.
"It is revealed that the Morlocks were a creation of the dark beast an evil 😈 version of Dctor Hank McCoy from an alternative time ⌚ line ⚟ called Earth 925." 🌎
I pre-ordered the omnibus the dm cover of X-Men #213
"Gambit rescue a small girl 👧 named Sarah, who will grow up 👆 to become Marrow, from harm's way during the mutant massacre."
Ten of Swords has WAY too many parts; I might just trade wait it.
Same. I'll read the chapters from the series I'm reading but definitely waiting for trade
"It is revealed that Gambit was employed by Mister Sinister, in return for the surgery for his powers through brain 🧠 stem, Mister Sinister hires Gambit to assemble the Marauders to slaughter the Morlocks under Mister sinister's orders, Gambit was temporarily expelled from the x-men for taking his part in the massacre."
The Mutant Massacre was the best event by far and to top that off The Fall Of The Mutants came right after that and the let's not forget X MEN INFERNO....When Madelyn Pryor was the Goblin Queen...i wonder if hickman is going to bring her back....that would be awesome
Betsy Braddock was telepathic, not telekinetic.
Also the dark Phoenix saga saw an entire star system destroyed. But yes it was also devastating to lose Phoenix and then later Cyclops leaving.
Psylocke was telepathic and telekinetic, if I'm remembering correctly. It's just that her TK wasn't given as much attention as her telepathy.
@@jorienwachukwu466 her powers were kind of in flux from time to time, during the Fall of the Mutants even she would have precognitive flashes, so having a little TK wouldn’t be too far of a stretch. I just never saw her demonstrating it.
This came out before I was reading comics so it took me a few years to actually get around to it.
I was surprised at the structure of the story that was less a traditional hero vs. villain and instead felt like the X-Men dealing with a flash flood.
Ohhh, to return to the days when Sabertooth was supposed to be Wolverine's father. Chris Claremont, they fucked so many of your storylines up!
Colossus already had killed Proteus before.
Kitty using the n-word is still one of the best moments in comics especially since it makes all the most annoying people on the internet spaz out.
If we used a Jewish slur in a comic book, I'm sure that would have drawn the ire of the community. Some SJW White girl who thinks mutants are the same thing as Black people going through racial injustice is an inaccurate comparison, if not insulting as mutants aren't real.
Greycrow > “Scalphunter”
Omg yes. I need to start just using that when I discuss!
Comic Book Herald I very much so am a man of routine. Name changes (no matter the reason) have always threw a wrench into my mental routine. 🤔🔧🥴
1980's .... When shadows were BLACK or ..... straight lines ..... ???
Yes, very informative for the younger readers about the history of heroes and villains alike, my current beef is the villains being lumped together with every mutant on Krakoa, almost glorifying their murderous acts, I would not like to be in the same area with anyone who killed others for sure!
Calling Riptide, Arclight, Vertigo and Harpoon forgettable...
Actually this Sinister on the Quiet Council is NOT the same Sinister that ordered the Massacre.
Remember a few points=
1- Original Sinister is mutated by Apocalypse and not a mutant.
2- When X & Magneto go to talk to Sinister, there are a huuuuge group of Sinister clones in the room. Many have different personalities than the main one. Then one of which shoots and kills the main one X was first talking to.
3- This sassy one reveals that during his process to clone himself, Sinister spliced mutant DNA into one clone and he is that one single clone that is a mutant.
So while they seem to share memories there are differences.
More importantly Sinister is nuttier than we thought.
Sorry but you're wrong. The Sinister who ordered the Morlock Massacre was wearing the very same cloak the mutant clone of Sinister was so obsessed with in Dawn of X so it's the same person. And let's not forget when Sinister mentions the event at other times he always says "He" ordered it, not some previous human clone.
@@damianpatterson9363 Obsessions with a cloak, does not make a villain. The one who orders the Morlock Massacre is the same fellow who was alive back in Victorian times, (seen in prior Cott/Jean miniseris, also reveals Sinister was human, not mutant, who was altered by Big A).
Sinister had a different personality, more serious. Of course he still sees himself as Sinister and claims everything priot as 'his', even the original Marauders; He is looney as hell, and unlike Maddy, clone of Jean, Sinister clones seem to have memories of past selves:
Way back in last issue of the first volume, we see Sinister cloning himself, using it as a 'rebirth' and continuing on his prior train of thought.
The scene is obvious in HOX/POX, there are several clones and one shoots "main" one who had a personality more aligned to how Sinister behaved in the past. He clearly states he is a clone that is made with tweaking his DNA, making him a mutant. This Sinister is the first known mutant chimera (Sinister's chimeras shown in one of Moira's past lives), he added John Proudstar's DNA to his own during a cloning process.
@@Katzztar That makes absolutely no sense. The whole point of the HOX/POX issue showing the audience that the main Sinister initially met by Xavier and Magneto is not wearing a cloak is to make that he's the Victorian era Sinister because the Sinister in the Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix was also not wearing a cloak. He is then killed by the Sinister wearing a cloak to show the audience that he's the Sinister we were first introduced to during the Mutant Massacre. The further proof is that POX #4 tells us the meeting between Xavier, Magneto and Sinister happened at X0 time, ten years before the current events which also places it before the Mutant Massacre.
This was deeply disturbing to me at the time and sadly set the tone for the doom and endless dread that characterized the X-Men though the 90's which led to me dumping them and moving on to comics with originality and class.
Cause you couldn't handle maturity? What a wimp.
@@murk4552 Vicious simpletons need not waste time grunting to me .
It's hilarious how embarrassingly bad Hickman's X-men is. Especially when you see it next to a good X-Men story line like The Mutant Massacre.
This was the event that inspired me to stop buying new comics. It was a lazy way to shake things up. The Marauders were so generic. The art looked rushed. A real whimper of and end to a brilliant era that culminated with Uncanny X-Men 200 and Magneto's redemption.