To be honest, Brian Wilson's solo version of this is my favorite. The way Song for Children ends and the cymbal fades in and breaks into the reverb/delayed guitar section is actually my favorite part of the whole Smile album. If Wilson was not still psychedelically-oriented in his thinking, he would not have left that mind-blowing section in there. Plus, none other than Van Dyke Parks himself told me that there were "no confabulations" between him and Wilson when they were completing the album. When I was on mushrooms, listening to that part pulled me into the 'world' of Smile more than any other part of the album. It prepares you for Surf's Up, because to fully appreciate Surf's Up, you have to be somewhere else. "Listening" on your headphones or speakers isn't enough. You need to be following along on the trip.
I agree 100%... Brian had tapes he should have worked into the whole "Child is the Father of the Man". It's kind of sad because i honestly don't think the 2004 officially released (Brian's solo SMiLE) had as much to do with Brian's original vision as we might be led to believe. Especially that short jazzy segment with the sax and the fantastic bass line + xylophone... *that's one of my favorite moments out of all the SMiLE snippets and it was never included.* Mujanus is right... they sold this song short. I question how much Brian had to do with the actual re-piecing of the puzzle for his old lost masterpiece. It turned out to be basically an intro to Surf's Up... i think 1967 Brian with all his creative ambition wanted more out of that track. Why else would those segments have been recorded to begin with??
I disagree. Van Dyke Parks told me that there were "no confabulations" between him and Brian when they were putting the final pieces of the puzzle together. I'm pretty sure Brian remembers his LSD experiences quite well. Most people don't forget them, especially when they are as intense and religious as Brian's, and he only had three or four. They were the entire origin of the album, and his entire reason for creating Smile was to promote spiritual enlightenment and I seriously doubt he forgot that concept.
Alex Delarge Well i was only speculating on that... but whatever the case, my main point (and lament in this instance) is that this particular track "CitFotM" was sold short on the final cut/mix IMO. I wish it was given a little more of its own character --- ideally utilizing some of those aforementioned jazzy snippets --- and a level of complexity to set itself apart from a Surf's Up intro.
Perhaps in the Smile Sessions version, but on Wilson's solo version it is very fleshed out in my opinion. It uses the most psychedelic jazzy section with the thick delayed guitars as its opening, and again as its verse. It was definitely conceived as an intro to Surf's Up, considering its chord patterns. The way the cymbals melt into the otherworldly psych jazz bit at the beginning is almost like the effects of a psychedelic kicking in and the world around you shattering into something totally different. I think it's supposed to spiritually prepare you for Surf's Up, not just act as an introduction. I find it hard to actually listen to Brian's solo Surf's Up without listening to Child is Father of the Man beforehand.
It's a very bright guitar that sounds very similar to a tack piano for sure. I find this particular song to have all things I love about BW's work and a glimpse at what might have been in some alternate timeline where his creative impulse was trusted and fostered by the rest of the group and one person in particular. Til I Die, Sail Plane Song, Still I Dream of It are windows into that vision. CWTL is about the loss/memory of Smile still "emblazoned" upon his mind. Beautiful/heartbreaking
I have collected just about every bit piece I can find as regards CWTL/BWTL which includes some alternate vocal cut of "I miss you darlin, I miss you so hard, now come back baby and don't break my heart" in a sort of "country music" styling. I think what you are talking about is a sort of acapella intro that can be found on the Mark Linett sessions from the 90s when a Smile release was being considered. This one features some "Do doo"s with Brian up high doing a sorta "Ha ha ah haaaa" up high.
I wish I did. I've been collecting SMiLE bootlegs for years and I bought the 2011 boxset, but I'm not quite sure which one you mean. I guess I have another bootleg to look for
Hi! !'m just curious - did some of the older SMiLE bootlegs contain material that wasn't included in the "official" Smile Sessions? I thought that they included everything there was to include in that. If not, is there anywhere I can find the unincluded material online? I'd love to hear more of it!
thats it.....and then it goes into some tack piano(I think....maybe its some guitar..its been so long since Ive heard it)... and some percussion that sounds like the verse to Vegetables - and some nice harmonies.....and then into the main part of the song....
@NEWGUY562 I'll upload them to a filesharing site soon, I've just been kinda busy lately. You can always go to a website that converts youtube videos to mp3 as well :)
well - Can't Wait Too Long isn't technically Smile- but the intro on this one particular bootleg was very very Smile like - Ive never heard it since - it was an old (probably mid 1990s) bootleg with not much else exciting on it..
there is this one weird intro to Can't Wait Too Long that was on one bootleg a while back that reminds me of the outro here (and also to parts of Vegetables) - do you know which one Im talking about
To be honest, Brian Wilson's solo version of this is my favorite. The way Song for Children ends and the cymbal fades in and breaks into the reverb/delayed guitar section is actually my favorite part of the whole Smile album. If Wilson was not still psychedelically-oriented in his thinking, he would not have left that mind-blowing section in there. Plus, none other than Van Dyke Parks himself told me that there were "no confabulations" between him and Wilson when they were completing the album. When I was on mushrooms, listening to that part pulled me into the 'world' of Smile more than any other part of the album. It prepares you for Surf's Up, because to fully appreciate Surf's Up, you have to be somewhere else. "Listening" on your headphones or speakers isn't enough. You need to be following along on the trip.
I agree 100%... Brian had tapes he should have worked into the whole "Child is the Father of the Man". It's kind of sad because i honestly don't think the 2004 officially released (Brian's solo SMiLE) had as much to do with Brian's original vision as we might be led to believe. Especially that short jazzy segment with the sax and the fantastic bass line + xylophone... *that's one of my favorite moments out of all the SMiLE snippets and it was never included.*
Mujanus is right... they sold this song short. I question how much Brian had to do with the actual re-piecing of the puzzle for his old lost masterpiece. It turned out to be basically an intro to Surf's Up... i think 1967 Brian with all his creative ambition wanted more out of that track.
Why else would those segments have been recorded to begin with??
I disagree. Van Dyke Parks told me that there were "no confabulations" between him and Brian when they were putting the final pieces of the puzzle together. I'm pretty sure Brian remembers his LSD experiences quite well. Most people don't forget them, especially when they are as intense and religious as Brian's, and he only had three or four. They were the entire origin of the album, and his entire reason for creating Smile was to promote spiritual enlightenment and I seriously doubt he forgot that concept.
Alex Delarge Well i was only speculating on that... but whatever the case, my main point (and lament in this instance) is that this particular track "CitFotM" was sold short on the final cut/mix IMO. I wish it was given a little more of its own character --- ideally utilizing some of those aforementioned jazzy snippets --- and a level of complexity to set itself apart from a Surf's Up intro.
Perhaps in the Smile Sessions version, but on Wilson's solo version it is very fleshed out in my opinion. It uses the most psychedelic jazzy section with the thick delayed guitars as its opening, and again as its verse. It was definitely conceived as an intro to Surf's Up, considering its chord patterns. The way the cymbals melt into the otherworldly psych jazz bit at the beginning is almost like the effects of a psychedelic kicking in and the world around you shattering into something totally different. I think it's supposed to spiritually prepare you for Surf's Up, not just act as an introduction. I find it hard to actually listen to Brian's solo Surf's Up without listening to Child is Father of the Man beforehand.
It's a very bright guitar that sounds very similar to a tack piano for sure. I find this particular song to have all things I love about BW's work and a glimpse at what might have been in some alternate timeline where his creative impulse was trusted and fostered by the rest of the group and one person in particular. Til I Die, Sail Plane Song, Still I Dream of It are windows into that vision. CWTL is about the loss/memory of Smile still "emblazoned" upon his mind. Beautiful/heartbreaking
i love your remixes! they usually tend to be better than the 2011 smile sessions
wow... very beautiful
I have collected just about every bit piece I can find as regards CWTL/BWTL which includes some alternate vocal cut of "I miss you darlin, I miss you so hard, now come back baby and don't break my heart" in a sort of "country music" styling. I think what you are talking about is a sort of acapella intro that can be found on the Mark Linett sessions from the 90s when a Smile release was being considered. This one features some "Do doo"s with Brian up high doing a sorta "Ha ha ah haaaa" up high.
You may be thinking of Odeon Smile, with respect to the Can't Wait Too Long vocal intro.
I wish I did. I've been collecting SMiLE bootlegs for years and I bought the 2011 boxset, but I'm not quite sure which one you mean. I guess I have another bootleg to look for
Hi! !'m just curious - did some of the older SMiLE bootlegs contain material that wasn't included in the "official" Smile Sessions? I thought that they included everything there was to include in that.
If not, is there anywhere I can find the unincluded material online? I'd love to hear more of it!
thats it.....and then it goes into some tack piano(I think....maybe its some guitar..its been so long since Ive heard it)... and some percussion that sounds like the verse to Vegetables - and some nice harmonies.....and then into the main part of the song....
@NEWGUY562 I'll upload them to a filesharing site soon, I've just been kinda busy lately. You can always go to a website that converts youtube videos to mp3 as well :)
well - Can't Wait Too Long isn't technically Smile- but the intro on this one particular bootleg was very very Smile like - Ive never heard it since - it was an old (probably mid 1990s) bootleg with not much else exciting on it..
there is this one weird intro to Can't Wait Too Long that was on one bootleg a while back that reminds me of the outro here (and also to parts of Vegetables) - do you know which one Im talking about
would be epic if the entire thing was in stereo! i dont like mono/stereo mashes, but its very well edited ;)