In addition, big thanks to Matyas 'TheTechnodruid' Murguly for drafting the script for this video, describing clearly and concisely how an AnCap society would accidentally discover [surprise ideology]!
to be fair in that hypothetical world there was no government thus no laws nor any state funded law enforcement agencies so who was to enforce an age of consent
Soviet Government: People, the communist dream is on the horizon! Soviet people: Horizon - a fictional place in the distance where sky meets ground, which moves further away as you try to approach it.
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 The joke is that these AnCap types often label anything that the government does to restrict their ability to do something as communism. Also, most "AnCaps", like many ideologies, don't really have central ideological leaders of thought that people follow, so to assign of people under their label isn't particularly accurate. I have heard them (random individuals online) make this argument though, and it would definitely be possible given what Anarcho-Capitalism functionally is.
I’m surprised they weren’t sanctioned, blockaded, and ultimately invaded by their stronger, older, more established neighbors who then spread propaganda to justify all their aggression.
@@stoutyyyy I’m not sure. If any kind of area is still using currency, that area would be more susceptible to the slow attrition of bribery from a stronger more wealthy society. Not everyone would need to be bribed. Just key figures and enough skilled workers need to defect.
Not really, most western communists irl, are either rich or middle class. And alot of Ancaps are business owners or snake oil salesmen. They cross over quite normally.
@@dreemlite5950 have you ever met an anarchocapitalist? Have you ever listened to an anarchocapitalist speech (I could send you many if you spoke spanish)? That's the last thing you'll hear an anarchocapitalist would say. And believe me, if somebody ends up believing in such rare and unpopular ideas they MUST have thought at least a bit about it.
@@dreemlite5950 You say that as if AnComs don't effectively do the same. And you people have literally never talked to a real AnCap if you think AnCaps think they'll make a utopia. Most (serious) AnCaps hold the idea of utopia being impossible. Their entire ideology is basically predicated on the fact that nothing is perfect. That's why, in their minds, decentralization is so important and the free market, which tends to adapt quickly, is seen as better at governing than government, which tends to adapt slower. By far, AnCaps are the most misunderstood anarchists because everyone likes to make shit up about them. Like you, apparently. You've clearly never studied the ideology. You just want to point and sneer. And no, I'm not AnCap. I think it'd just lead to a shittier version of what we have now. Private Entities will get so large and powerful they effectively become a state and we're back to square one.
Yes. But how did he failed to notice that people who "manage contracts" can also conspire to fake them and have huuuuge incentive to do it? Because this is what happens every time someone tries this in real life.
Let's build Anarcho-capitalism! _builds a feudal dictatorship_ Let's build anarcho-capitalism but this time better! _builds a theocracy_ Ok let's try one more time. _builds communism_ OH GOD DAMNI-
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor unless the communist society was also stockpiling on weapons and experimented with mass production of arms, or the first two societies had collapsed by this time.
@@purplespectre apparently, communism always failed, "muh it wasn't coherent with le original Karl Manga" Stfu , theory is one thing, practice is another thing
that's the problem, a leftist commune like this can't exist in toleration of right-wing ideas like horting more for yourself, even religions that preach this must be banned.
Imagine having a dedicated set of "Defenestration windows," and when someone is sentenced to defenestration, you set one of them up on just, A Stand with some kind of grip to hold it still, and then _YEET!_
"I told you We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week, But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting. By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major issues.” Karlstadt citizen
Someone told me that there are two types of ancaps: "an" caps, and an "caps". Either you're a capitalist that doesn't understand anarchism, or you're a proto-anarchist that doesn't understand capitalism yet.
yeah that all anarchists are also communists is often forgotten. i find that very sad cause we should work together and kick the tankies out. tankies=state capitalists. bakhunin and marx hated each other but the differences then were pretty unsubstancial if you compare modern anarchists and left communists with modern leninist "marxists".
@@venusianblivet9518 Doesn't matter anyways. Anarchism of any kind pretty much assumes a common, homogeneous, social contract that doesn't include gathering a few like minded people and enforcing your will through force. This doesn't even exist in a mating pair of humans, let alone a family unit or anything bigger.
Capitalism was a derogatory name to free market solutions in a way to frame those who defended Free people exchanges as an obsession with accumulation of Capital, while Comunists were focused on the protection of the community. Nice propaganda coming from someone who starved his children to death, leach of his best friend finances his entire life and still bankrupt himself from all the failures he made in the stock market! Your argument of "someone told me" is just stupid to say the least
@@diogonunes1608 What are you talking about??? Do you know the definition of any of those words? Also how is "someone told me" an "argument"? I just wanted to not be quoted as the one that said it, and I don't remember who did.
_”with punishments ranging from banishment to defenestration”_ While everyone wondered how the glaziers suddenly held the majority of service contracts 🤣
@@DaisyGeekyTransGirl Nah, what they should have done is reverse Prague Spring, unleash Red Terror against the Revisionists, Opportunists, Market Socialists, and overall counter--revolutionaries and enemies of the People, and turn Czechoslovakia into Western North Korea with Liberal Democratic Rights, but also Nukes.
Halfway through this I was thinking "hey, isn't this really similar to an anarcho-communist thought experiment a few friends and I had a while back?" and then again near the end "this is communism." I feel so validated.
@@kyle857 but that's the thing, if there is no money, no one can have a significant enough advantage to others to get to the "top". Labor vouchers require you to work, which takes too much time and effort to get a significant enough advantage, while in a capitalist society you can make others work for you, which takes very little time and effort, especially if you had a head start, like being born a millionaire.
@@jurtra9090 even then, it still is better to have plenty of fail safes than what we have now, where such a minute proportion of the population is responsible for almost all the decisions that are made worldwide.
The most unrealistic part of this is only one "anarcho"-capitalist suggesting the age of consent thing, that'd be like their first point of order in video one like seconds in.
This reminds me of Prof Richard Wolff's story about advising a silicon valley start-up company that was all disaffected workers from fortune 500 tech companies that hated the top down hierarchical structures of the traditional corporations they all came from, called it stiffing, etc, and built their new company as a coop, but didn't call it that. "We loved it, we're more productive, more successful, more freedom", etc. Then after all that, Prof Wolff says "congratulations! You just discovered communism" They like "nuh ugh, we are eNtRaPaNueRIal iNnOvAtOrS!". Wolff responds "you can call it the pink unicorn system for all I can, you just described a Marxist cooperative enterprise."
That is dead wrong because they are all private individuals doing a investment in a free market. What's non Capitalist about that?. Capitalism is about economic freedom and the freedom of making that type of cooperative enterprise is part of that freedom
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl That was the most propaganda statement devoid of even Econ 101 level definitional understanding of the words you just typed. The dumbest statement typed today, well done.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl 1. I actually did. 2. You didn't make any arguments, you made baseless assertions not grounded in history or fact. 3. Dishonest actors (pathetic debate-me-bros) spewing BS don't deserve respect and should be mocked instead.
I’m one of those people for who the saying “seeing it believing” is extremely true. So it’s been awesome for me to see more than just the headline that I would see with real world examples.
Me: Mhm Me: Mhm. Me: Interesting. Me: Something about this feels familiar. Adam: COMMUNISM!! Me: Ah, there it is. Genuinely, laughed out loud. 😆 So good. Thank you!
It was about the time he said “And the public water works is owned by everyone as a shareholder “ that I went Hey if everyone equally owns it then isn’t this anarcho-communism instead? Though the final reveal was hilarious and a genuine lol happened
@@techpriesttaris1309 from what I can understand Marx argued for some form of Anarcho Communism. As the last act of the State was to set up a standing defense, then leave a skeleton of a State only to handle emergencies. Like invasion and natural disasters so massive it would need a State response. Anarcho Communism to me is just a bunch of hippies living on a plot of land with minimal structure. I could actually see something like this working if there was a robust enough administration and minimal corruption.
i love how anarcho capitalism either ends up with a power such as corporations or religion becoming dictators, defeating the idea of anarchism, or on the other hand they become a communist state. its like no matter what, it will just lead to something that is the complete opposite of anarcho capitalism
@@cantthinkofaname5046 She's suggesting it's an oxymoron since, in Marxist doctrine, one can have a *socialist* state, but that which results after the state has "withered away" is a communist *society*.
@@howtoappearincompletely9739 damn, gonna have to refresh myself on that stuff. I always was after a “modified for modern audiences” model of communism
Although plausible, I think it's far more likely that the ancaps will just repeat attempt 1 or 2 over and over again without ever reaching your 3rd scenario.
Yes, but clearly this is the endgame where they've angrily rejected the repeated past spectacular failures. It might take 80 tries before arriving at communism, but you bet your ass that they'd also angrily reject the idea that it's communist at all cost too.
Well, ancap cant really occur anymore to begin with because it would require a clean slate which just isnt feasible in any way in modern society. There is no reasonable way to get from what we have right now, to even the STARTING point of an ancap society. So not only does it fail in multiple ways even if we COULD reasonably get to the starting point, but even attempting it again is pretty much impossible. Anarchist societies cant really exist without protection from other societies and some sort of revolution. An anarchist society is just never going to have the resources required to enforce their own sovereignty.
yeah in order for this scenario to "work" so many things would have to go right despite all the times when he points out that there's countless issues with managing things and scaling. And this requires everyone to be a good faith actor still I feel like it'd fall apart due to corruption and revert to another scenario.
@@BlazeMakesGames And at each step you'd get a different flavour of autocratic rule. Humans have after all completely failed at homogenized ideological adherence, and disputes will exist. It doesn't take much to steer this off the path, with room for someone to sweep in and exploit the situation. This is problematic for every ideology that requires homogenized ideological adherence, ancap most certainly included.
Me after the labour vouchers were introduced: this is sounding like mutualism. Me after specialising co-ops were introduced: this is sounding like syndecalism. Me after sharing public services was introduced: I think I know where this is going.
You shouldn't have given that away for them at the end. Better ending: "And so capitalism won the final victory." We could have told them the rest when we got there.
@@akorn9943 While this video is humorous, you'd lose most right libs at the beginning because they don't believe that need = coercion, and aren't worried about monopoly (at least not enough to alter their moral system).
@@soymaster1625 Oh many worry about monopolies and argue that monopolies can ONLY be there with a state. Literal lunacy but Ive seen that one a thousand times
As video plays through, I kept thinking to myself ; " This sounds more like communism rather than anarcho-capitalism". Which seems to be the point of the video, lol. Love your work Adam.
There is one issue with this scenario, namely that other groups aren't interfering with this third attempt. At a bare minimum, there would be economic sanctions and mutually exclusive blocs of association which would prohibit members of their group from trading with others. Billy Bob of Aynville would declare that anyone who trades with this group will have their assets seized as a part of their consumer loyalty contract. Romeaboo of Randham would declare that it is heresy to associate with them. Both towns would also make a pseudo-blockade through Taxin- setting up private tolls that would make anyone even considering passing through their territory give up. This is assuming they don't just solve this the good old fashioned American way. A joke which is based in historical precedent from comparatively less capitalist obsessive societies than this pure LARP-turned-real ideology.
That's what I was thinking, this society can only exist once all other opposing systems are destroyed. The example given in this video with the exception of "the underclasses from the other two attempts, join this society" exists largely in a void. Everyone would either have to have at least be trained on a semi regular basis to defend said society or a temporary state apparatus would need to be established until the other two systems are destroyed. The reason a state is the alternative is that it is likely the only means to effectively project power. The problem with just defending said society is that it will always have to defend itself. Unfortunately it may just be better to destroy the capitalists states with a short term state system. Conflict with capitalists is inevitable. Even if the people in this society saw them selves as ancaps the feudal monarchy and theocracy would not. They would see them as a threat.
Back in episode 1, Adam said the Ancap societies in these videos were given the theoretical best case scenario for Anarcho-Capitalism, so no outside interference from other groups, no overwhelmingly superior firepower or initial resource monopolies to strongarm the populace, and no existing governing entities (actual governments. corporations, churches, etc) to take care of things without the "free" market. In a real world scenario, none of these "Ancap" governments would crop up to begin with because a nation that's actually organized would just walk in and take over, so you may just have to suspend your disbelief.
Good point, but I'd argue that Karlstadt still has a good run. Wars and blockades are pretty hard to make, especially given the relatively small scale of the Aynville and Randham "states". Furthermore, decentralized and equalitarian settlements tended to be bigger and fairly resistant to foreign invasion in pre-empire times; per example, the Mapuche of Patagonia were able to fend of both Inca, Spanish and Chilean/Argentinian attemps to colonize them until the late 19th century, at which point missionary efforts and treaties giving reparations to specific chieftains broke the equalitarian fondation of Mapuche society and enabled Chile and Argentina to conquer them as dissassembled tribes rather than a solidary nation. Long story short, as long as power remains collective or that one of the hierarchical state doesn't figure out nukes, Karlstadt should be fine
This scenario assumes that Karlstadt has access to all the resources it needs to function within its territory. This may not apply to smaller countries, but it certainly applied to the Soviet Union.
You want an ANCAP society because you believe in its principles I want an ANCAP society because there is a possibility of it becoming communist We are not the same
@@ffoska that is to say crypto is negative sum it does not create value and worthless other than something to gamble on value-wise a crypto Island even one that provides for everyone on it requires someone putting money in and losing it as well as someone doing work to produce things of value to exchange cryptocurrency for ie a infinite frontier to exploit and a underclass not gaining the benefits of their wealth
And we can improve that by giving people for the work they have done some receipt, so easily excange it with the things they need. Let's call that receipt money.
I was skeptical cuz you can turn literally anything into currency so I thought he was just gonna turn the contracts into the new currency, but I guess they learned lol
There could be more risk of that happening than you think. :( That's why I am adamant that an awareness of ethno-nationalistic tendencies and how to dismantle them is an *essential* part of praxis. There are still socialists who are also a bit racist (or at least racially ignorant) who will institute legal agreements which place their race in a position of relative dominance. All under the guise that "this is the place where *these* people belong". You can't just "explain class struggle to poor whites" and expect everything to be a beautiful utopia. ruclips.net/video/j4kI2h3iotA/видео.html Also, everything he's describing with anarchist labor contracts seems like "this is just currency with extra steps". Especially when his answer to "but economies of scale tho" is just "we'll create a centralized administration of elites to procure resources and direct stock flows, and this group won't form a government to consolidate their power over the 'proles' because... uh... because... we'll threaten to throw them out a window?" I'm a big fan of Adam, but I think this is far from his best video. Just kind of a bland "meh".
@@falseprofit9801 whilst I agree that this video isn't the best, it was funny as a sort of "let's give them the best chance we can" type of video. I don't personally expect a random RUclips video mocking Ancaps to resolve the myriad problems of "Why Anarcho Communism doesn't work"
@@falseprofit9801 exactly what I am thinking. This solves nothing. Currency with extra steps is worse than money and there are positions with power like prime real estate, warehouse administrator that will inevitably lead to elites.
It could. But this similation is no proof of that, and it is an impossible thing to simulate due to the amount of variables. Firstly it would require that people either democratically vote for it or fight for their freedom. In either case i think the best way to introduce stable ancap would be gradually allow for more private business and ownership of things, instead of immeadetly abolishing the whole goverment and all its functions. For example the goverment could allow for competition to the police. Or allow for people to unsubsribe as an citizen and not get the perks of being one.
@@royalhydra9790 its possible and really depends on i think how easily those forces get payment if they go corrupt or if people will support them if they go corrupt. On a global stage we do have those competing "police"forces, each country is competing, and some do wage war upon others. Many even do alliances against the bad actors. That is on a large scale though, maybe smaller scale is different.
@Social Libertarian sounds more like anarcho communism tbh. There is no proper government, but the community owns the ressources and means of production.
Okay, now this scenario is just hilariously unrealistic. Not that I disagree with the logic, just that I doubt any group of ancaps could stop being selfish long enough to get even halfway through this process before it all veers of onto one of the other dystopic paths.
That's the thing here, when you really want to stick to your ANCAP values you ultimately get mutualism. Those who scream at the top of their lungs that the free market is the way are just Social Darwinists trying to hide how inhumane they are.
@@Krell-ef7rf: Oh, absolutely. That's the thing I find unrealistic about this particular scenario, because it could only happen if the ancaps were truly 100% genuine in their beliefs, as opposed to the typical hypocrisy.
Wrong. He makes a bunch of false assumptions and proceeds to build a case that crumbles the moment you take away these fals assumptions. That's basically how all communism crumbles. For example in this video he says that monopolies would easily form. That's not true, because without a government to enforce intellectual property laws there would be a lot of copy-cats the moment someone does something so useful that everyone wants to buy it, creating fierce competition.
and just like comunism, it is impossible in reality. Maybe in a small comunity like in the video. but now try to rule a country in the same way you would run a comunity...
@@Duck-wc9de I think for a country to run peacefully it needs to have some degree of personal freedom to start businesses and participate in the economy freely. But again the monopolization of major industries seen in the modern USA is also a dangerous extreme. Which is why I never identify with any political party in this extreme climate.
@@shadowgodthegamer5738 Modern USA? Ever heard of the east india trading company? The US railways? This aint a new thing it started with the primitive accumulation and never stopped. Not a gotcha just saying
the punishment of defenestration is so funny to me. I must imagine that it was meant as a form of banishment from the town, but I imagine a window frame in the town square with a large pile of replacement window panes next to it that contract forgers get thrown through.
Stalinist dont really exist, most of them are Cringe 13 year olds who love the aesthetics, I personally believe in Lenin, but most of his belief are now outdated
@@davitdavid7165 Yes and No, Marxs beliefs were certainly different than what we witnessed in USSR, Communist revolution was supposed to happen in a developed capitalist State, which never happened (due to ww1 and ww2), Instead a Semi feudal society tried to experiment socialism, which worked but again it still had failures due to ww2 and US cold war, The Socialism we saw in USSR was similar to Lenins beliefs rather than Marx himself, But yeah saying that USSR was a total failure is wrong, they had their ups and downs, and I'm pretty sure they would have turned into a more Socialist state if they survived the Cold war
@@davitdavid7165 no im not a tankie, You cant expect a Newly born Nation to be Democratic after A civil war, revolution, world war, and a cold war, It was the first Socialist Nation (most important so far), USSR was a Police state sure, Im just emphasizing that their beliefs were def different from what Marx and Lenin stated. (Due to stalinists (tankies)), It was pretty good during Lenins reign, and Im pretty sure they would have adapted well and turned into a more Open society (unlike china) if there was no cold war.
@@Pierre-lj4sq I always wanted a neural factual perspective on USSR really. All i find is either extremely negative or extremely positive views on it. Atleast, with my limited knowledge, I feel like USSR was like a seed planted in a harsh weather, dark and over-watered. People expected or were promised fruits to apear next day, but ended up starved, disappointed and angry when it didn't.
I am thinking about dropping out of school to focus on my career as a star on RUclips. I already make a lot of money on RUclips. School bores me so much. I need more opinions and since I don't have any friends, I gotta ask you, ma
@@AxxLAfriku don't, it will be paid in ass later on to finish it, just do both but don't prioritize RUclips because your account can be deleted, but not your knowledge
@@niklavsmelnbardis403 AxxL has been around for like a decade. Hes a notorious troll who seemingly spends 24/7 online. This is probably one of his most coherent comments too. I dont think he has been in school for a loonnggg time.
Ancap ideology has never been shy about its desire to abolish the state. And libertarianism is all about flattening classes through the creation of new institutions to serve the people directly. Ancaps, however, would not abolish money.
@@thejudge1728 No, not the valuables themselvs. Like food, shelter, warmth, low age of consent... ahem. A representation is it if you don't consume it. If you consume it, it's just a trade good. Of course that again is murky territory (in old China tea was often used as currency - precisely beccause you could use it, mostly to trade with foreigners who didn't want your coins.)
@@thejudge1728 Kinda. You could have a society that operated solely on barter, but that leads to difficulties in trading when you try and exchange a luxury for a staple (like jewellery for bread). That's why we invented money, which you can use as an intermediate. You can also have a gift economy, but that doesn't scale.
@@PlatinumAltaria Maybe I'm wrong, but my understanding is that you aren't meant to be able to accumulate labour vouchers, and therefore can't accumulate coercive power and wealth inequality. So that's the difference between them and money.
"then this group of ancaps, by the power of applying an actually coherent set of ideological principles, became market anarchists with a light 'econ 101' aesthetic, and it actually went much better than anything they'd ever done before"
if you are talking about this commune, i think they don't have markets, as that would imply trade and some sort of money, while these have some kind of distribution system, isn't that so?
Shout-out for these guys for actually trying and experimenting their ideas, I'm not seeing them as idiots, they're scientists doing social science and there's a lot I have learned from these controlled experiments
Thank you sir for clearing up communism. People just point at USSR, North Korea, and China and call them communist countries, while they are state controlled autocratic capitalisms.
Socialism=democracy over the means of production, capitalism=dictatorship or oligarchy over the means of production or the possibility of this to happen. The UDSSR had collectives were the workers democraticly decided things and also the leaders were voted indirectly democraticly so yes it was socialist, not a 100% because that would be direct democracy over all means of production but still it was socialist.
The only disappointing thing is how quickly service contracts was skimmed In this society, "service contracts" are supposed to replace one of the most useful/malleable inventions humans have ever invented: Money. Love it or hate it, money is one of the main pillars of a modern society, but everyone is expected to completely abandon in favor of service contracts Service contracts have big shoes to fill. If they fail, people would revert to using currencies. Real people need to be incentivized beyond "I don't like wealth accumulation"
@@concept5631 Their political and economical system looked like a sort of " -Communist- Soviet? Socialist? Precolombine State" with a big ass network of resource and information transportation, and even storage of both. They didn't (formally) used money nor had private property.
@@sirnikkel6746 *When a pre-Columbian empire that couldn't use the wheel on a mass scale had a better understanding of communism then the first communist state*
@@sirnikkel6746 that sounds similar to the ancient egyptian burocracy. They would keep all grain stock and offer it to farmers in quantities set by public officials, who would keep track of where and when to farm, what goods were needed and how to distribute them. Of course this system however, was part of the egyptian hierarchy that kept the pharoh and nobility at the top, allowing them to accumulate wealth and power while keeping the people under their thumb, as a form of proto-totalitarian state.
I was suspicious when they replaced currency with service contracts, but as soon as they made roads and basic services public I knew where this was going cool vid!
A real life ancap commune would be very similar to this, except they would use dogecoin or silver coins for trade. And yes it would be very successful and not really have classes or a state...but ancaps would never abandon money. I've been to ancap festivals and it was exactly this, VERY idealistic and fun. Tripping on shrooms and laughing around a campfire while free range kids were running around the forest like pack animals having the time of their lives.
@@arkology_city honest question, is it really anarcho-capitalism if certain sectors of the economy are publicly owned? that kind of breaks down the whole free contract between individuals thing, as i understand it
@@ConnieFWill You know the definition of a corporation is owned by the public, right? Almost every company is owned by more than one person. it is common for a company to have 5, 10, 20, 100 owners.
@@arkology_city sure, but being publicly traded is not the same thing as being publicly owned. being publicly traded just means that anyone can own shares in the company equal to how much money they invest. but publicly owned services are owned by literally "the public," without an expectation of investment for legal owernship c'mon, you know this
@@ConnieFWill "but publicly owned services are owned by literally "the public," without an expectation of investment for legal owernship" As long as that institution cannot tax or write law, then it still falls under ancap ideology/morality.
I was an anarchist cap for a while until I realized it was actually communism I was going for. I just really didn't like the government. It's really crazy how they use the same rhetoric as communists, but swap out consumers. It's weird
That applies to most political ideologies. And religions, really. The most extreme versions are essentially all identical but the people involved are convinced they are polar opposites. Probably because extreme ideas are all founded on the same logical fallacies, and almost always forget to take into account that people are basically evil.
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 "take into account that people are basically evil." My man, I'm sorry but that is as false as saying that "people are basically good".
@@bucherregaldomi9084 You kinda have to pick one. If Situation A occurs and 51% of people would do the shitty and selfish thing, people are basically evil
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 You are lumping left and right as similar when really it's just lumping libertarian and libertarian as similar. Horseshoe theory is just two letters off from reality, horseshit.
God, I love this series. While I’m hoping it isn’t the end, this is a really solid point to end off on, because it flies in the face of what many capitalists want. At the same time, I agree with calling the Soviet Union not actually communist, which is something that few people have agreed with me on.
There never was a country on earth that achievemed communism. (I would argue no country even got half done with Socialism.) Everyone who says otherwise is just Red Scared to use a term with a meaning different from it's real meaning.
To be fair... The soviet union was failed communism, and frankly... There is no true capitalist country in the world either. It is almost like... The middle ground is better than the extremes ;)
"At the same time, I agree with calling the Soviet Union not actually communist, which is something that few people have agreed with me on." At some point, Stalin declared that the USSR had achieved socialism, due to the vanguard party (i.e. the communist party, which he was the head of) claiming ownership over all means of production in representation of the whole working class. This statement was then, and is still being disputed by a large portion of the international left. But they never claimed to have achieved communism, neither did the communist parties of other countries like China or Vietnam.
@@eazy8579 to be fair, I've always had a problem with this definition because it feels like "state" is being rather arbitrarily defined. I assume it's referring to nation-state, just because of the context of the society that marx was writing in, in which case it's in agreeable statement, but a lot of people just interpret it as "government/organizing bodies in general", which I don't really agree with (nor do I really think it's possible to avoid anything resembling government).
The problem with anarcho-capitalism is that if we define a state as the people with a monopoly of power within a boundary, the landlords will also be states. It seems that anarcho-capitalism in practice will become an even more dysfunctional form of the Holy Roman Empire when all land becomes high value commodity held by landlords. Unlike cyberpunk dystopias, the ancap dystopia will probably see a stagnation in tech innovation as capitalists invest ever more of their revenue on private military companies for security instead of on research and development.
Similar to the difference between European countries developing well because they only have to spend 2% on their military because NATO almost abolished European wars, whereas Russia is rubbish because they spend maybe as much as 30% on military because they are still living in the 19th century inside their heads.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 The Russian economy isn't doing poorly because of military spending. It's doing poorly because it's an oligarchy where none of the oligarchs are interested in or capable of running a business. In the US and in most capitalist countries, you invest in your business or your business will fall behind. A business that doesn't properly reinvest its earnings and expand is destine to fail. In Russia, all the oligarchs are in cahoots, so no one ever invests in their businesses as that would just rock the boat and make everyone turn on you. It happened this way because Russia was already so corrupt that when state run businesses were sold off, they were sold off only to government employees in portions far too large rather than to private individuals looking to run a business.
Every landowner would have their own rules i assume yes. But there would probably be security firms that makes sure that no1 in those properties hurt others or their property, just like the police. Ancap has the potential to be the most advanced area in the world as innovation and hard work is required and allowed. Competition ---> innovation and progress. Most competetive system? Free markets.
@@sebastianbrodkin9156 Why would a land owner pay a security firm to stop their tenants from attacking each other when they could just not hire anyone? What's to stop landlords from exploiting their tenants, driving up rates over night and kicking out people they don't like? What's to stop tenants from burning down buildings of landlords when they get kicked out? Anarchy of any form is not conducive to stability, and stability is the backbone of economic growth. Anarcho capitalism will never surpass regulated capitalism for this reason.
@@DBZHGWgamer the tenants can pay for security themselves, or maybe the people who pay for security pay for a regional security. Hard to say what kind of services they offer. I would pay for security for whole area where i live. Probably a very large area, ideally atleast, depends on the prices. If there is a verified contract that does not allow for pricehikes and an organization that secures the contract then the landlord cant.
It's branding was Anarcho Capitalism, but the actions are USSR communism. At each problem the solution was communism. One fire department? Really communists? Why do that?
One thing you need to watch out for here is binding everything to work contracts. This can be detrimental to people who have a reduced ability to work such as old or sick people or people born with physical or learning disabilities. There need to be social programs in place for this.
Ancaps don't care about things like caring for others and empathy. This video is about showing that rationally you end up at communism. Other videos can be about showing that morally you end up at communism, but that would be a different video.
The problem is that you can’t ethically force someone to help another person even if they have a moral obligation to. If people who can’t work can’t persuade others to give them what they need to live by offering their labour, then they need to rely on altruism but not on forcibly taking the labour of people who do work, because then you are implementing supposedly egalitarian slavery.
@@venusianblivet9518 Mita, Inca equivalent to "work tax": *now this looks like a job for me* (Unintended consequence: If you mix the mita with the warehouse and town hall administrators, you get a state)
@@venusianblivet9518 no ethical way? Source? If society brought you to the point in life where you can help someone, you are ethically obligated to do so. Your very existence in a society with an infrastructure built prior to your arrival completely mitigates any sincere way to propose the half assed ethical dilemma you think you’re having.
"Surviving the Aftermath" eh? Looks like it's good good review, and I'm undergoing colony sim withdrawal so that looks just like what I want right now. Great video too.
Tried Aftermath, it's not very good. Inside an hour you know where it's going and it is very shallow. It felt like Starcraft build order with none of the action. If you want batshit insanity, options and playability, I definitely recommend Rimworld. Dwarf fortress is so unwieldy it's not fun and tiring. Timberborn is good if you want something more chill with significant difficulty.
@@oohhboy-funhouse I have hundred of hours in Rimworld and I still prefer Dwarf Fortress by a wide margin. Both games are good but DF just has infinitely more depth, which is where I derive my fun from. Most other games just try to imitate DF. Timberborn is alright but I blitzed through its content when it came into Early Access so I'm looking for other games I haven't tried yet.
When I first heard of the term anarcho capitalism I said "WTF is that?" And now all these years later I still say the same thing 😅 These are some of weirdest ideas
Probably because it is nonsense. The idea behind it is that the community came up with the list of things that need to be done for the community to go on and those things would have prices assigned (somehow) paid in goods and services needed by the people. Basically it divides the output of the community between the laborers based on how much work they have done. The problem lies in this division. How it is decided. Carpentry is a hard work and needs to be compensated more justly says carpenter. Bricklaying takes a lot of experience to do it well and fast says bricklayer. And so on. In the end they have to decide the value of each labor provided and it cannot be equal. That is because everyone's skill is not equal. You may have an experienced worker that finishes his tasks much faster and may be able to take on more. Does that mean that his kind of labor is worth less or more? In the end you may have young inexperienced people who are incapable of sustaining themselves because their pay rate is decided by that of a faster and more skilled worker. Should we let them starve? Alternatively you can pay based on hours worked. This was however the downfall of soviet communism. Everyone was paid the same regardless of how hard they worked. This incentivizes laziness and corruption. I will do this work off the books for you and you will do other work off the books for me. No matter how you centrally decide the prices - you will create problems. Humans are incapable of grasping the demand and supply of a non-trivially sized population in a way that is fair and responsive to the ongoing situation. Adam tries to solve this by introducing his magical automated computer system into equation - this however shows his ignorance of such systems. They don't work and never have. We know this because we have tried to make them many times. These economic models are always flawed and don't reflect the reality accurately enough to manage the economy. There are too many variables that you cannot actively monitor. This is not even taking into account that no matter how he tries to frame it - the administrators and programmers/maintainers of these systems are the people that are truly in power here. They have the power to fudge the numbers. If everyone gets a fraction less resources - too small to notice yourself - they can get significantly more wealth for themselves. The system can "glitch" and bug out. Sometimes for real and sometimes because someone chose to make it happen. The only arbiters of what was true are the only people that can tamper with it. There is a reason why pretty much every communist system quickly descended into a dictatorial hellhole. Without getting rid of the need for administrators, you cannot form a working communist system. He who controls the flow of resources controls the system.
@@bluewhaleking6227 If there was a solution, we would probably be living in a perfect system by now. I believe that the fundamental problem lies in the human nature. We value ourselves and our close ones higher than the strangers. We simply don't have much empathy for strangers. As such when faced with a way to enrich yourself, or perhaps to help a close one in need, at the cost of some faceless stranger, we tend to choose our interests. No matter what kind of laws and systems we introduce, the people will find a way to use and abuse it to their advantage. The solution, if it exists, does not lie in the system, but in the people. If you could make sure that the right decisions are made then how you run a society does not matter. Even an absolute monarchy would be a utopia if the monarch was doing his absolute best to make the people and the country prosper while the people he delegates the power to were incorruptible.
I know that you said this is the final part, but I still hope we can see the logical way an An-Cap society can deal with Foreign Policy. And in the case of this society, how external forces can cause Karlsberg to end up abandoning the Communist system for a socialist (at best.) or State Capitalist (at worst.) system
As soon as the townspeople went "instead of money, let's use labor vouchers/contracts to barter for goods and services" I IMMEDIATELY knew where this was going lol
By the time I heard of favours getting out of hand and needing organisation I immediately thought "Wouldn't it be easy if we just had tokens that represented favours so we could trade them faster and more efficiently" and waited for the video to become about the system we already live in being reformed. I think some people forget that each unit of currency itself is meant to represent a small portion of goods or a small service. We already live in a favour-based system.
You should've done this justice. I too like this concept, but there are open questions about efficiency of large scale production under democratic rule of workers. You also should've made sure to describe information about all the transactions open and to forbid any transactions outside the system. TL;DR: this system isn't protected from corruption and at large scale you can't expect community to notice it. When there's corruption, there's unfair wealth and power accumulation. After all, the capital that Soviet party members had wasn't money. It was political power to make their wishes granted at the expense if others
@@arkology_city ,you do realise that was part of the joke? The an-cap system,through logical means,turned into a near impossible to get communist utopia system,something that Marx helped to start. And I don't think giving Marx laser beam eyes and surrounded by Hellfire means that he's a genius God.
The mistake on this video is assuming that Ancaps see money and inequality as a problem. Ancaps believe what they believe not because they feel compassion for anybody but just because they believe it will give them a chance of becoming rich.
Ancaps like and will continue to use money. Other than that this video is unironically accurate, and I'm speaking as a proud ancap. A truly free market and deregulation REDUCES classism, not strengthens it. This is the biggest and most fatal flaw of all leftist thinking. And something we on the right have all been trying to tell you for the last 10 years - I am glad you all are starting to get it.....better late than never I guess.
@@nataliaborys1554 You are in for a very sad and shocking 2022, when it is revealed to you what Ancapistan is in reality and the variety and power within the concept.
In my experience people who call themselves Anarcho capitalists are obsessed with dominating everyone and everything around them. That's why they will never give up currency, it's a great medium for dominating other people and giving yourself an outsized degree if control.
Im for ancap because i see it as the most ethical system. I think you guys who want to abolish currency have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and what you are believing/promoting. You would need coercion to get rid of currency firstly which i view as wrong. And secondly currency is literally a tool/technology, and it works well. In ancap there wouldnt be monopoly on currency so every1 can choose what currency they want to use or even create their own, or not use any at all. Lefty policies require domination and coercion, meanwhile ancap at an idea lvl is about abolishing all involuntary coercion. Huge difference.
@Social Libertarian That sounds like the system is inherently weak to greed. This means it promotes greed because the greedy do better in such a system.
Keep the currency and you've got Participatory Economics and a greater ability to trade between settlements/states. You could even open a tourist trade to show the denizens of Aynville and Randham around the wonders of your glorious anarcho-communist sorry I mean CAPITALIST definitely capitalist utopia
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Woah, spoilers on your own video lol
That name sounds very, very Hungarian! Köszi Ádám! És Mátyás!
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You're welcome, comrade, as always. And Hungarian, indeed ;)
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@@Matthiastalks Ez a bojler beütött! :-D Köszi az infókat!
The flabbergasted rejection of the twelve-year-old age of consent laws was the first sign those aren't ancaps at all.
Presumably the age of consent didn't exist in the first place, so it would be redundant
to be fair in that hypothetical world there was no government thus no laws nor any state funded law enforcement agencies so who was to enforce an age of consent
p-jacketing are we?
@@Oreoezi society. Anarchism still has laws - just social ones.
It was rejected for being too high
As soon as I heard “they decided the utilities should not be owned by a single person” I knew exactly where this was going.
I'm an ancap now
From that point on, I had the "alright, you got me" laugh going.
Really? I saw it as soon as they eliminated currency.
@@davefancella but they would still have to hold currency if they were trading with other communities. Hmmm.
I as scared for a while that the contract voucher would just turn back into currency, but I'm glad they made out fine.
Four minutes in, and I'm gonna guess that the Ancaps are gonna accidentally create a Socialist Utopia?
Would you look at that
Four minutes? It was pretty clear the moment he laid the very basic groundwork
It's poetic, isn't it?
@@softenbysam For me it was about at the time when he said: "Everyone would be a shareholder"
The moment he substituted currency for labor contracts I started laughing
Maybe the true Anarcho-Capitalists are the Anarcho-Communist friends we made along the way
No.
I like your funny words, magic man
Or whatever the meme is.
This but unironically
Until they have control and you get sent to a gulag.
Soviet Government: People, the communist dream is on the horizon!
Soviet people: Horizon - a fictional place in the distance where sky meets ground, which moves further away as you try to approach it.
For a longer time than I care to admit I thought "ancap" was short for anti-capitalist.
Turns out I was right all along :P
Well for a time I thought it was a drug cartel based captalism. Because of the narco in the name.
Don’t be too hard on yourself. I swear, political vocabulary is so hard to understand
@@homemadefilms5718 doesnt help that the terms are constantly misused.
For the longest time I was confused as to why the Australasian New Car Assessment Program was generating so much interest around the world.
Adam, you should write the game's name in the description. For those who don't know, the game is "Surviving the Aftermath".
Thank you, was looking for this comment!
Me too!
Thanks!
Thanks so much!
Thanks, I was just wondering that. Is it a good game? Looks nice. 😀
"I got it!" he said, "We should lower the age of consent"
I spat my tea out. That was too funny... and accurate.
I don't even think that would exist in an AnCap society. It would require state intervention, also known as cummunism.
I missed the reference, is some famous an-cap group in favor of child labor or something?
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 Yeah... "labour"...
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 The joke is that these AnCap types often label anything that the government does to restrict their ability to do something as communism.
Also, most "AnCaps", like many ideologies, don't really have central ideological leaders of thought that people follow, so to assign of people under their label isn't particularly accurate. I have heard them (random individuals online) make this argument though, and it would definitely be possible given what Anarcho-Capitalism functionally is.
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 No rules, no road, no age of consent.
I’m surprised they weren’t sanctioned, blockaded, and ultimately invaded by their stronger, older, more established neighbors who then spread propaganda to justify all their aggression.
That’s already the most likely scenario in any kind of ancapistan
@@stoutyyyy I’m not sure. If any kind of area is still using currency, that area would be more susceptible to the slow attrition of bribery from a stronger more wealthy society.
Not everyone would need to be bribed. Just key figures and enough skilled workers need to defect.
Anarcho-Capitalism is without a doubt one of the political ideologies of all time
It exist
it sure is one
Without a doubt for sure.
Preach
and today was a very day
The irony of ancaps achiving communism is just to good
Not really, most western communists irl, are either rich or middle class.
And alot of Ancaps are business owners or snake oil salesmen. They cross over quite normally.
**USSR anthem intensifies**
Just as communism, when it’s not ruled by authoritarians, creates anarcho-capitalism. Both are equivalent under ideal conditions.
Shhh don't tell them. They're not bright enough to figure it out
Never interrupt the opposition when they are making a mistake!
"We should lower the age of consent to 12"
Genuinely almost spat coffee everywhere. These are just absolutely hilarious, I adore them.
"...And so they kept thinking."
Also hilarious.
anime fans be like:
I think it was 13 in my country
@@rijjhb9467 Japan?
@@concept5631 Italy
At this point Adam you've given more thought to how Anarco-Capitalism would work than actual Anarco-Capitalist
@@dreemlite5950 have you ever met an anarchocapitalist? Have you ever listened to an anarchocapitalist speech (I could send you many if you spoke spanish)? That's the last thing you'll hear an anarchocapitalist would say. And believe me, if somebody ends up believing in such rare and unpopular ideas they MUST have thought at least a bit about it.
@@arnaubasulto4448 have you met an anarchocapitalist? Sure it’s an exaggeration, but not by much.
@@dreemlite5950 You say that as if AnComs don't effectively do the same.
And you people have literally never talked to a real AnCap if you think AnCaps think they'll make a utopia.
Most (serious) AnCaps hold the idea of utopia being impossible. Their entire ideology is basically predicated on the fact that nothing is perfect. That's why, in their minds, decentralization is so important and the free market, which tends to adapt quickly, is seen as better at governing than government, which tends to adapt slower.
By far, AnCaps are the most misunderstood anarchists because everyone likes to make shit up about them. Like you, apparently. You've clearly never studied the ideology. You just want to point and sneer.
And no, I'm not AnCap. I think it'd just lead to a shittier version of what we have now. Private Entities will get so large and powerful they effectively become a state and we're back to square one.
Yes. But how did he failed to notice that people who "manage contracts" can also conspire to fake them and have huuuuge incentive to do it?
Because this is what happens every time someone tries this in real life.
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I haven't met one but I have heard their arguments and all of them are stupid and irrational
Let's build Anarcho-capitalism! _builds a feudal dictatorship_
Let's build anarcho-capitalism but this time better! _builds a theocracy_
Ok let's try one more time. _builds communism_ OH GOD DAMNI-
At least the last one works.
@@purplespectre All of them work depending on your definition of "working"
@@parad0xheart Nah, hopefully the theocracy is too busy fighting that feudalism kingdom from the first video
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor unless the communist society was also stockpiling on weapons and experimented with mass production of arms, or the first two societies had collapsed by this time.
@@purplespectre apparently, communism always failed, "muh it wasn't coherent with le original Karl Manga" Stfu , theory is one thing, practice is another thing
"With penalties ranging from banishment *to defenestration"*
"So much for the tolerant left"
-The other two settlements.
that's the problem, a leftist commune like this can't exist in toleration of right-wing ideas like horting more for yourself, even religions that preach this must be banned.
I mean, Adam lives in Prague, so defenestration is hardly that big of a leap for him...
@@georgelane6350 Defenestration is very effective at dealing with corrupt administrators
Imagine having a dedicated set of "Defenestration windows," and when someone is sentenced to defenestration, you set one of them up on just, A Stand with some kind of grip to hold it still, and then _YEET!_
Yes, throw people out windows!
"I told you We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week, But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting. By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major issues.” Karlstadt citizen
*Karlstadt
Sounds like a little Futurama skit
@@flipflierefluiter5665 It’s from a Monty Pyton movie. King Arthur and the holy grail.
@@jorikrouwenhorst7220 right, of course.
"So they kept thinking"..
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ye loled
Someone told me that there are two types of ancaps: "an" caps, and an "caps". Either you're a capitalist that doesn't understand anarchism, or you're a proto-anarchist that doesn't understand capitalism yet.
yeah that all anarchists are also communists is often forgotten. i find that very sad cause we should work together and kick the tankies out. tankies=state capitalists. bakhunin and marx hated each other but the differences then were pretty unsubstancial if you compare modern anarchists and left communists with modern leninist "marxists".
@@cottagehardcoreultrasw3998 Not all anarchists are communists, mutualists and economic nihilists also exist.
@@venusianblivet9518 Doesn't matter anyways. Anarchism of any kind pretty much assumes a common, homogeneous, social contract that doesn't include gathering a few like minded people and enforcing your will through force.
This doesn't even exist in a mating pair of humans, let alone a family unit or anything bigger.
Capitalism was a derogatory name to free market solutions in a way to frame those who defended Free people exchanges as an obsession with accumulation of Capital, while Comunists were focused on the protection of the community. Nice propaganda coming from someone who starved his children to death, leach of his best friend finances his entire life and still bankrupt himself from all the failures he made in the stock market!
Your argument of "someone told me" is just stupid to say the least
@@diogonunes1608 What are you talking about??? Do you know the definition of any of those words?
Also how is "someone told me" an "argument"? I just wanted to not be quoted as the one that said it, and I don't remember who did.
And to think anarcho-capitalism achieves so much when it just rejects capitalism, how surprised we are ! Xd
@Social Libertarian Privately owned by everyone (at least the essential ones).
@@lonestarr1490might even call them, shareholders?
@Social Libertarian that's communism, Marx dont reject all structures too
@@abroamg nah, what we have here is public ownership. Share holders use their wealth in a company to control the company.
@Social Libertarian Nah, collectively owned.
Private ownership means that you personally own parts of society that others depend on.
No joke this made me understand leftist concepts far more than any piece of theory I ever tried to read
So basically, anarcho-capitalism is the best ideology if we remove all capitalism from it
and most of the anarchistic parts
Practically everything gets better if you remove capitalism from it.
@@steemlenn8797 I mean, I wouldn't say it like that but...
@@steemlenn8797 we tried lol, didn’t work unfortunately
@@samuelfeder845 what the fuck are you talking about
_”with punishments ranging from banishment to defenestration”_
While everyone wondered how the glaziers suddenly held the majority of service contracts 🤣
Jesus I didn't know that Czechs had all of the contracts
Yeah, pretty clear it wad founded in Czech soil.
Sh*t, thats the 3rd one this week.
Czechoslovakia if the Prague Spring succeeded.
@@DaisyGeekyTransGirl Nah, what they should have done is reverse Prague Spring, unleash Red Terror against the Revisionists, Opportunists, Market Socialists, and overall counter--revolutionaries and enemies of the People, and turn Czechoslovakia into Western North Korea with Liberal Democratic Rights, but also Nukes.
This video series has made me realise that we indeed live in a society.
Margaret Thatcher wants to know your location
There is no such thing as society.
Margeret told me.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 who is Margeret?
@@Ailuk I think some mythical creature that sucks the blood from children.
@@Ailuk Margeret Thatcher maybe?
Halfway through this I was thinking "hey, isn't this really similar to an anarcho-communist thought experiment a few friends and I had a while back?" and then again near the end "this is communism." I feel so validated.
"Labour vouchers instead of currency"
He's going to do it, isn't he?
"Also known as... communism"
Yup.
The problem is, communism ends up with the same issues. A few people on top with everything. It seems most systems tend toward that.
@@kyle857 every single system is prone to abuse of power, no matter
@@kyle857 but that's the thing, if there is no money, no one can have a significant enough advantage to others to get to the "top". Labor vouchers require you to work, which takes too much time and effort to get a significant enough advantage, while in a capitalist society you can make others work for you, which takes very little time and effort, especially if you had a head start, like being born a millionaire.
@@jurtra9090 even then, it still is better to have plenty of fail safes than what we have now, where such a minute proportion of the population is responsible for almost all the decisions that are made worldwide.
Labour vouchers won't exist under Communism. Under socialism, sure.
The most unrealistic part of this is only one "anarcho"-capitalist suggesting the age of consent thing, that'd be like their first point of order in video one like seconds in.
And the age of 12
So kind of like socialists and their paedo apologism?
It did have a good punchline tho. Everyone just ignored them and continued thinking.
They'd have done that when they were still right-libertarians. By the time they're full-blown anarchocapitalists, it would be an afterthought.
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Education has been the strongest weapon against anarcho capitalism.
@Arron unbased.
Anarcho-communism or anarchism in general is pretty good.
@@ErikUden arachnism
Praise the queen
@@dominatorandwhocaresanyway9617 God bless the Queen!
@@ErikUden Since communism is supposed to be a stateless moneyless society, isn't anarcho-communism just regular communism ?
@@ErikUden if you think anarcho-communism is good you have not been educated, you have been indoctrinated.
This reminds me of Prof Richard Wolff's story about advising a silicon valley start-up company that was all disaffected workers from fortune 500 tech companies that hated the top down hierarchical structures of the traditional corporations they all came from, called it stiffing, etc, and built their new company as a coop, but didn't call it that. "We loved it, we're more productive, more successful, more freedom", etc.
Then after all that, Prof Wolff says "congratulations! You just discovered communism" They like "nuh ugh, we are eNtRaPaNueRIal iNnOvAtOrS!". Wolff responds "you can call it the pink unicorn system for all I can, you just described a Marxist cooperative enterprise."
Lol wolf rules
That is dead wrong because they are all private individuals doing a investment in a free market. What's non Capitalist about that?. Capitalism is about economic freedom and the freedom of making that type of cooperative enterprise is part of that freedom
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl That was the most propaganda statement devoid of even Econ 101 level definitional understanding of the words you just typed. The dumbest statement typed today, well done.
@@richardthecowardlylion5289 wow insults and no arguments? You totally destroyed me!!!
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl 1. I actually did. 2. You didn't make any arguments, you made baseless assertions not grounded in history or fact. 3. Dishonest actors (pathetic debate-me-bros) spewing BS don't deserve respect and should be mocked instead.
Attempt 4: "I've got it! We build a big underwater city..."
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That's just... Perfect
Hey Adam, would you kindly create the an-cap society underwater. But be careful who you let in.
My favourite series! Your "demonstrating political stuff in videogames" vids are really fun imo, hope this isnt the end!
I’m one of those people for who the saying “seeing it believing” is extremely true. So it’s been awesome for me to see more than just the headline that I would see with real world examples.
What game is it tho?
What game
@@SaveMoneySavethePlanet yep, me too, it makes you feel more immersed
@@kim2894 no idea
Me: Mhm
Me: Mhm.
Me: Interesting.
Me: Something about this feels familiar.
Adam: COMMUNISM!!
Me: Ah, there it is.
Genuinely, laughed out loud. 😆
So good.
Thank you!
exactly. bump.
It was about the time he said “And the public water works is owned by everyone as a shareholder “ that I went Hey if everyone equally owns it then isn’t this anarcho-communism instead? Though the final reveal was hilarious and a genuine lol happened
Sad that "lol" is so meaningless that one must state "Genuinely, laughed out loud".
@@techpriesttaris1309 from what I can understand Marx argued for some form of Anarcho Communism. As the last act of the State was to set up a standing defense, then leave a skeleton of a State only to handle emergencies. Like invasion and natural disasters so massive it would need a State response.
Anarcho Communism to me is just a bunch of hippies living on a plot of land with minimal structure.
I could actually see something like this working if there was a robust enough administration and minimal corruption.
@@banana_junior_9000 Is it sad? Is it really?
i love how anarcho capitalism either ends up with a power such as corporations or religion becoming dictators, defeating the idea of anarchism, or on the other hand they become a communist state. its like no matter what, it will just lead to something that is the complete opposite of anarcho capitalism
“communist state” 💀💀
@@numberoneplutofanwhat about that was weird? That’s just a regular word
@@cantthinkofaname5046 She's suggesting it's an oxymoron since, in Marxist doctrine, one can have a *socialist* state, but that which results after the state has "withered away" is a communist *society*.
@@howtoappearincompletely9739 damn, gonna have to refresh myself on that stuff. I always was after a “modified for modern audiences” model of communism
@@cantthinkofaname5046 State property is not common property. That is what makes it weird.
Although plausible, I think it's far more likely that the ancaps will just repeat attempt 1 or 2 over and over again without ever reaching your 3rd scenario.
Yes, but clearly this is the endgame where they've angrily rejected the repeated past spectacular failures. It might take 80 tries before arriving at communism, but you bet your ass that they'd also angrily reject the idea that it's communist at all cost too.
That's what happened in the real world, so I guess you're right!
Well, ancap cant really occur anymore to begin with because it would require a clean slate which just isnt feasible in any way in modern society.
There is no reasonable way to get from what we have right now, to even the STARTING point of an ancap society. So not only does it fail in multiple ways even if we COULD reasonably get to the starting point, but even attempting it again is pretty much impossible.
Anarchist societies cant really exist without protection from other societies and some sort of revolution. An anarchist society is just never going to have the resources required to enforce their own sovereignty.
yeah in order for this scenario to "work" so many things would have to go right despite all the times when he points out that there's countless issues with managing things and scaling. And this requires everyone to be a good faith actor still I feel like it'd fall apart due to corruption and revert to another scenario.
@@BlazeMakesGames And at each step you'd get a different flavour of autocratic rule. Humans have after all completely failed at homogenized ideological adherence, and disputes will exist. It doesn't take much to steer this off the path, with room for someone to sweep in and exploit the situation. This is problematic for every ideology that requires homogenized ideological adherence, ancap most certainly included.
Me after the labour vouchers were introduced: this is sounding like mutualism. Me after specialising co-ops were introduced: this is sounding like syndecalism. Me after sharing public services was introduced: I think I know where this is going.
That's Communism actually, unless they don't want to call Communism...Because in their head Communism = Stalinism
Me after hearing him call the settlement Karlstadt: I know where this is going.
@@Norkans5 I guess this is a reference to the Bavarian soviet republic?
@@Norkans5 or Karl from the spartasist uprising
@@thimoderks6416Karl Marx
You shouldn't have given that away for them at the end. Better ending: "And so capitalism won the final victory." We could have told them the rest when we got there.
Honestlyyy, I was so ready to show this to all my right libertarian friends goddamit
I agree
@@akorn9943 While this video is humorous, you'd lose most right libs at the beginning because they don't believe that need = coercion, and aren't worried about monopoly (at least not enough to alter their moral system).
@@akorn9943 Sounds almost religious! Guess the second video in the series wasn't so far off.
@@soymaster1625 Oh many worry about monopolies and argue that monopolies can ONLY be there with a state. Literal lunacy but Ive seen that one a thousand times
As video plays through, I kept thinking to myself ; " This sounds more like communism rather than anarcho-capitalism". Which seems to be the point of the video, lol. Love your work Adam.
Marx is on the thumbnail
THE MARKET WILL WIN
said the corporation...
Said the profitable corporation.
@@jarlbalgruufthegreater1758 said the nearly monopolist corporation
@@fanteasy7399 I mean they are the market.
Just because they won don't make em wrong.
@@warlerker *Wong*
@@warlerker Corporations are a result of the state interfering in the market
There is one issue with this scenario, namely that other groups aren't interfering with this third attempt. At a bare minimum, there would be economic sanctions and mutually exclusive blocs of association which would prohibit members of their group from trading with others. Billy Bob of Aynville would declare that anyone who trades with this group will have their assets seized as a part of their consumer loyalty contract. Romeaboo of Randham would declare that it is heresy to associate with them. Both towns would also make a pseudo-blockade through Taxin- setting up private tolls that would make anyone even considering passing through their territory give up.
This is assuming they don't just solve this the good old fashioned American way. A joke which is based in historical precedent from comparatively less capitalist obsessive societies than this pure LARP-turned-real ideology.
Then again, if it does happen then this ancap society would probably just adapt one or the other's way, even if it's "wrong."
That's what I was thinking, this society can only exist once all other opposing systems are destroyed.
The example given in this video with the exception of "the underclasses from the other two attempts, join this society" exists largely in a void.
Everyone would either have to have at least be trained on a semi regular basis to defend said society or a temporary state apparatus would need to be established until the other two systems are destroyed. The reason a state is the alternative is that it is likely the only means to effectively project power. The problem with just defending said society is that it will always have to defend itself. Unfortunately it may just be better to destroy the capitalists states with a short term state system. Conflict with capitalists is inevitable. Even if the people in this society saw them selves as ancaps the feudal monarchy and theocracy would not. They would see them as a threat.
Back in episode 1, Adam said the Ancap societies in these videos were given the theoretical best case scenario for Anarcho-Capitalism, so no outside interference from other groups, no overwhelmingly superior firepower or initial resource monopolies to strongarm the populace, and no existing governing entities (actual governments. corporations, churches, etc) to take care of things without the "free" market. In a real world scenario, none of these "Ancap" governments would crop up to begin with because a nation that's actually organized would just walk in and take over, so you may just have to suspend your disbelief.
Good point, but I'd argue that Karlstadt still has a good run. Wars and blockades are pretty hard to make, especially given the relatively small scale of the Aynville and Randham "states". Furthermore, decentralized and equalitarian settlements tended to be bigger and fairly resistant to foreign invasion in pre-empire times; per example, the Mapuche of Patagonia were able to fend of both Inca, Spanish and Chilean/Argentinian attemps to colonize them until the late 19th century, at which point missionary efforts and treaties giving reparations to specific chieftains broke the equalitarian fondation of Mapuche society and enabled Chile and Argentina to conquer them as dissassembled tribes rather than a solidary nation.
Long story short, as long as power remains collective or that one of the hierarchical state doesn't figure out nukes, Karlstadt should be fine
This scenario assumes that Karlstadt has access to all the resources it needs to function within its territory. This may not apply to smaller countries, but it certainly applied to the Soviet Union.
"We did it guys, we made a successful Ancapistan!"
"I think we just made communism by accident..."
"Ouff, foiled again!"
**USSR Anthem intensifies**
"But wait! It's... it's all kinda working isn't it?"
You want an ANCAP society because you believe in its principles
I want an ANCAP society because there is a possibility of it becoming communist
We are not the same
when you remember what ancap leads to, you realise this is posadism
i'm not complaining though
@@intergraphenic What do you mean I can not the nuke!?
- a random posadist, possibly
Yea, i believe in principles, you believe in miracles
As soon as you mentioned abolishing currency in favour of work contracts I knew where this was headed, and I loved every part of it.
I expected it to become "crypto island" but hey, maybe crypto island would also be a communist utopia?
@@ffoska no inherently impossible
@@ffoska that is to say crypto is negative sum it does not create value and worthless other than something to gamble on value-wise a crypto Island even one that provides for everyone on it requires someone putting money in and losing it as well as someone doing work to produce things of value to exchange cryptocurrency for ie a infinite frontier to exploit and a underclass not gaining the benefits of their wealth
And we can improve that by giving people for the work they have done some receipt, so easily excange it with the things they need. Let's call that receipt money.
@@Shadow25720 no
The moment currency was eliminated I knew where it was going jajaja very good video!
I was skeptical cuz you can turn literally anything into currency so I thought he was just gonna turn the contracts into the new currency, but I guess they learned lol
@@LexiH36 *Starts paying workers with vodka*
“How do we fix the problems with Anarcho-Capitalism?”
“Create a mutualist society.”
Yeah, you get it.
As I was listening to this I started thinking "this sounds awfully familiar..."
Then he hit us with it and I laughed out loud.
Tbh I was assuming that this would turn into "Hey, they invented slavery" at first but I love the twist.
There could be more risk of that happening than you think. :( That's why I am adamant that an awareness of ethno-nationalistic tendencies and how to dismantle them is an *essential* part of praxis. There are still socialists who are also a bit racist (or at least racially ignorant) who will institute legal agreements which place their race in a position of relative dominance. All under the guise that "this is the place where *these* people belong". You can't just "explain class struggle to poor whites" and expect everything to be a beautiful utopia.
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Also, everything he's describing with anarchist labor contracts seems like "this is just currency with extra steps". Especially when his answer to "but economies of scale tho" is just "we'll create a centralized administration of elites to procure resources and direct stock flows, and this group won't form a government to consolidate their power over the 'proles' because... uh... because... we'll threaten to throw them out a window?" I'm a big fan of Adam, but I think this is far from his best video. Just kind of a bland "meh".
@@falseprofit9801 whilst I agree that this video isn't the best, it was funny as a sort of "let's give them the best chance we can" type of video.
I don't personally expect a random RUclips video mocking Ancaps to resolve the myriad problems of "Why Anarcho Communism doesn't work"
@@falseprofit9801 exactly what I am thinking. This solves nothing. Currency with extra steps is worse than money and there are positions with power like prime real estate, warehouse administrator that will inevitably lead to elites.
That ones next
The conclusion: Anarcho-Capitalism either leads to Feudalism, Theocracy or literally to Marxism
It could. But this similation is no proof of that, and it is an impossible thing to simulate due to the amount of variables.
Firstly it would require that people either democratically vote for it or fight for their freedom. In either case i think the best way to introduce stable ancap would be gradually allow for more private business and ownership of things, instead of immeadetly abolishing the whole goverment and all its functions.
For example the goverment could allow for competition to the police. Or allow for people to unsubsribe as an citizen and not get the perks of being one.
Marx: You couldn't live with your own failure; where did that bring you? Back to me!
@@sebastianbrodkin9156 What would be the purpose of competiton to the police? How would it challenge the police and try to make them better?
@@sebastianbrodkin9156 You know, introducing competition to police just sounds like larger scale gang warfare
@@royalhydra9790 its possible and really depends on i think how easily those forces get payment if they go corrupt or if people will support them if they go corrupt. On a global stage we do have those competing "police"forces, each country is competing, and some do wage war upon others. Many even do alliances against the bad actors. That is on a large scale though, maybe smaller scale is different.
Ancap failed so hard that they become their nemesis.
Communists did the same, if you think about it.
Ancapistan failed succesfully?
@@Barwasser Wait... When was it even put in practice?
@Social Libertarian sounds more like anarcho communism tbh. There is no proper government, but the community owns the ressources and means of production.
@Social Libertarian that... Is a very interesting point of view. Thanks.
Got it. Spread revolutionary ideas but use capitalist terminology.
The whole time I was just "That's just communism..." so I saw the twist coming but was still pleasantly surprised when my thoughts were confirmed.
Okay, now this scenario is just hilariously unrealistic. Not that I disagree with the logic, just that I doubt any group of ancaps could stop being selfish long enough to get even halfway through this process before it all veers of onto one of the other dystopic paths.
That's the thing here, when you really want to stick to your ANCAP values you ultimately get mutualism. Those who scream at the top of their lungs that the free market is the way are just Social Darwinists trying to hide how inhumane they are.
@@Krell-ef7rf: Oh, absolutely. That's the thing I find unrealistic about this particular scenario, because it could only happen if the ancaps were truly 100% genuine in their beliefs, as opposed to the typical hypocrisy.
The contracts simply won't work out after day two probably in pricing things nearly as accurately as currency markets.
This series dismantles all the arguments for anarcho capitalism in an un refutable way. Prager U's Utopia is exactly this. Ironically communism
Wrong. He makes a bunch of false assumptions and proceeds to build a case that crumbles the moment you take away these fals assumptions. That's basically how all communism crumbles.
For example in this video he says that monopolies would easily form. That's not true, because without a government to enforce intellectual property laws there would be a lot of copy-cats the moment someone does something so useful that everyone wants to buy it, creating fierce competition.
and just like comunism, it is impossible in reality. Maybe in a small comunity like in the video. but now try to rule a country in the same way you would run a comunity...
@@Duck-wc9de Well he partially solved that with the ladder from trust to central admin to computers. But splitting communities is also an option
@@Duck-wc9de I think for a country to run peacefully it needs to have some degree of personal freedom to start businesses and participate in the economy freely. But again the monopolization of major industries seen in the modern USA is also a dangerous extreme. Which is why I never identify with any political party in this extreme climate.
@@shadowgodthegamer5738 Modern USA? Ever heard of the east india trading company? The US railways? This aint a new thing it started with the primitive accumulation and never stopped. Not a gotcha just saying
the punishment of defenestration is so funny to me. I must imagine that it was meant as a form of banishment from the town, but I imagine a window frame in the town square with a large pile of replacement window panes next to it that contract forgers get thrown through.
As a non-tankie communist, I love this.
Stalinist dont really exist, most of them are Cringe 13 year olds who love the aesthetics, I personally believe in
Lenin, but most of his belief are now outdated
fuck tankies
@@davitdavid7165 Yes and No, Marxs beliefs were certainly different than what we witnessed in USSR, Communist revolution was supposed to happen in a developed capitalist State, which never happened (due to ww1 and ww2), Instead a Semi feudal society tried to experiment socialism, which worked but again it still had failures due to ww2 and US cold war, The Socialism we saw in USSR was similar to Lenins beliefs rather than Marx himself, But yeah saying that USSR was a total failure is wrong, they had their ups and downs, and I'm pretty sure they would have turned into a more Socialist state if they survived the Cold war
@@davitdavid7165 no im not a tankie, You cant expect a Newly born Nation to be Democratic after A civil war, revolution, world war, and a cold war, It was the first Socialist Nation (most important so far), USSR was a Police state sure, Im just emphasizing that their beliefs were def different from what Marx and Lenin stated. (Due to stalinists (tankies)), It was pretty good during Lenins reign, and Im pretty sure they would have adapted well and turned into a more Open society (unlike china) if there was no cold war.
@@Pierre-lj4sq I always wanted a neural factual perspective on USSR really. All i find is either extremely negative or extremely positive views on it. Atleast, with my limited knowledge, I feel like USSR was like a seed planted in a harsh weather, dark and over-watered. People expected or were promised fruits to apear next day, but ended up starved, disappointed and angry when it didn't.
Quality stuff, great way to put across these points
the guy posted the video 4 minutes ago, you commented 3 minutes ago, so how you're able to watch 10 minute video in 4 minutes?
you must be superman
I am thinking about dropping out of school to focus on my career as a star on RUclips. I already make a lot of money on RUclips. School bores me so much. I need more opinions and since I don't have any friends, I gotta ask you, ma
@@AxxLAfriku don't, it will be paid in ass later on to finish it, just do both but don't prioritize RUclips because your account can be deleted, but not your knowledge
@@niklavsmelnbardis403 AxxL has been around for like a decade. Hes a notorious troll who seemingly spends 24/7 online. This is probably one of his most coherent comments too. I dont think he has been in school for a loonnggg time.
A thrilling conclusion to an amazing trilogy
Ancap ideology has never been shy about its desire to abolish the state. And libertarianism is all about flattening classes through the creation of new institutions to serve the people directly.
Ancaps, however, would not abolish money.
I was waiting for it to go wrong, then I realised that it technically did, but in a good way this time.
I instantly realized where this was going - abolishing currency and replacing it with labour vouchers. Great video.
Which are totally not money, they're merely a representation of value that can be exchanged for luxuries.
@@PlatinumAltaria I mean, isn't everything, to some extent, a representation of value that can be exchanged for luxuries?
@@thejudge1728 No, not the valuables themselvs. Like food, shelter, warmth, low age of consent... ahem.
A representation is it if you don't consume it. If you consume it, it's just a trade good. Of course that again is murky territory (in old China tea was often used as currency - precisely beccause you could use it, mostly to trade with foreigners who didn't want your coins.)
@@thejudge1728 Kinda. You could have a society that operated solely on barter, but that leads to difficulties in trading when you try and exchange a luxury for a staple (like jewellery for bread). That's why we invented money, which you can use as an intermediate.
You can also have a gift economy, but that doesn't scale.
@@PlatinumAltaria Maybe I'm wrong, but my understanding is that you aren't meant to be able to accumulate labour vouchers, and therefore can't accumulate coercive power and wealth inequality. So that's the difference between them and money.
"then this group of ancaps, by the power of applying an actually coherent set of ideological principles, became market anarchists with a light 'econ 101' aesthetic, and it actually went much better than anything they'd ever done before"
Mutualists and market socialist gang rise up!
if you are talking about this commune, i think they don't have markets, as that would imply trade and some sort of money, while these have some kind of distribution system, isn't that so?
@@იოსებხანუკაშვილი Their money is the work hour.
I wonder if juridical persons could also trade work hours tho
30 seconds in and it already got real with the age of consent.
Shout-out for these guys for actually trying and experimenting their ideas, I'm not seeing them as idiots, they're scientists doing social science and there's a lot I have learned from these controlled experiments
Thank you sir for clearing up communism. People just point at USSR, North Korea, and China and call them communist countries, while they are state controlled autocratic capitalisms.
On case of north Corea she is literally comunist. But it’s impoissible create a perfect comunist country in pratic.
Socialism=democracy over the means of production, capitalism=dictatorship or oligarchy over the means of production or the possibility of this to happen.
The UDSSR had collectives were the workers democraticly decided things and also the leaders were voted indirectly democraticly so yes it was socialist, not a 100% because that would be direct democracy over all means of production but still it was socialist.
@@aguinaildolima5712 yes because that would contradict the definition of a state or country less society
I loved this so much because even though I kinda knew where it was going I literally laughed out loud with delight at the conclusion 😂
Once they named the settlement Karlstadt I knew they were off to a good start.
The only disappointing thing is how quickly service contracts was skimmed
In this society, "service contracts" are supposed to replace one of the most useful/malleable inventions humans have ever invented: Money. Love it or hate it, money is one of the main pillars of a modern society, but everyone is expected to completely abandon in favor of service contracts
Service contracts have big shoes to fill. If they fail, people would revert to using currencies. Real people need to be incentivized beyond "I don't like wealth accumulation"
The only thing that comes to mind is the Inca Empire.
@@sirnikkel6746 How so?
@@concept5631 Their political and economical system looked like a sort of " -Communist- Soviet? Socialist? Precolombine State" with a big ass network of resource and information transportation, and even storage of both.
They didn't (formally) used money nor had private property.
@@sirnikkel6746 *When a pre-Columbian empire that couldn't use the wheel on a mass scale had a better understanding of communism then the first communist state*
@@sirnikkel6746 that sounds similar to the ancient egyptian burocracy. They would keep all grain stock and offer it to farmers in quantities set by public officials, who would keep track of where and when to farm, what goods were needed and how to distribute them. Of course this system however, was part of the egyptian hierarchy that kept the pharoh and nobility at the top, allowing them to accumulate wealth and power while keeping the people under their thumb, as a form of proto-totalitarian state.
I was suspicious when they replaced currency with service contracts, but as soon as they made roads and basic services public I knew where this was going
cool vid!
A real life ancap commune would be very similar to this, except they would use dogecoin or silver coins for trade. And yes it would be very successful and not really have classes or a state...but ancaps would never abandon money. I've been to ancap festivals and it was exactly this, VERY idealistic and fun. Tripping on shrooms and laughing around a campfire while free range kids were running around the forest like pack animals having the time of their lives.
@@arkology_city honest question, is it really anarcho-capitalism if certain sectors of the economy are publicly owned? that kind of breaks down the whole free contract between individuals thing, as i understand it
@@ConnieFWill You know the definition of a corporation is owned by the public, right?
Almost every company is owned by more than one person. it is common for a company to have 5, 10, 20, 100 owners.
@@arkology_city sure, but being publicly traded is not the same thing as being publicly owned. being publicly traded just means that anyone can own shares in the company equal to how much money they invest.
but publicly owned services are owned by literally "the public," without an expectation of investment for legal owernship
c'mon, you know this
@@ConnieFWill "but publicly owned services are owned by literally "the public," without an expectation of investment for legal owernship"
As long as that institution cannot tax or write law, then it still falls under ancap ideology/morality.
I was an anarchist cap for a while until I realized it was actually communism I was going for. I just really didn't like the government. It's really crazy how they use the same rhetoric as communists, but swap out consumers. It's weird
That applies to most political ideologies. And religions, really. The most extreme versions are essentially all identical but the people involved are convinced they are polar opposites. Probably because extreme ideas are all founded on the same logical fallacies, and almost always forget to take into account that people are basically evil.
I was the same way. Just took me a bit to push past the stigma surrounding socialist thought
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 "take into account that people are basically evil." My man, I'm sorry but that is as false as saying that "people are basically good".
@@bucherregaldomi9084 You kinda have to pick one. If Situation A occurs and 51% of people would do the shitty and selfish thing, people are basically evil
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 You are lumping left and right as similar when really it's just lumping libertarian and libertarian as similar. Horseshoe theory is just two letters off from reality, horseshit.
God, I love this series. While I’m hoping it isn’t the end, this is a really solid point to end off on, because it flies in the face of what many capitalists want. At the same time, I agree with calling the Soviet Union not actually communist, which is something that few people have agreed with me on.
There never was a country on earth that achievemed communism. (I would argue no country even got half done with Socialism.) Everyone who says otherwise is just Red Scared to use a term with a meaning different from it's real meaning.
To be fair... The soviet union was failed communism, and frankly... There is no true capitalist country in the world either. It is almost like... The middle ground is better than the extremes ;)
"At the same time, I agree with calling the Soviet Union not actually communist, which is something that few people have agreed with me on."
At some point, Stalin declared that the USSR had achieved socialism, due to the vanguard party (i.e. the communist party, which he was the head of) claiming ownership over all means of production in representation of the whole working class. This statement was then, and is still being disputed by a large portion of the international left.
But they never claimed to have achieved communism, neither did the communist parties of other countries like China or Vietnam.
It was State Capitalism; if you have a state, you can’t have communism
@@eazy8579 to be fair, I've always had a problem with this definition because it feels like "state" is being rather arbitrarily defined.
I assume it's referring to nation-state, just because of the context of the society that marx was writing in, in which case it's in agreeable statement, but a lot of people just interpret it as "government/organizing bodies in general", which I don't really agree with (nor do I really think it's possible to avoid anything resembling government).
This should have gone up on April 1st. Well played, Adam.
Ah, I love this series. Thank you for just... going through how it works out.
I like how adam called the city "Karlstadt"
(Stadt in german means city)
There's a swedish city named Karlstad
There is a German city known as Chemnitz which was renamed Karl Marxstadt when Germany was divided during the Cold War.
Lenin famously murdered 3000 striking workers in Krondstadt, because they demanded a union and free speech.
@@honiideslysses12 There is even a Karlstadt right now, it is on the river Main in lower franconia, bavaria.
The problem with anarcho-capitalism is that if we define a state as the people with a monopoly of power within a boundary, the landlords will also be states. It seems that anarcho-capitalism in practice will become an even more dysfunctional form of the Holy Roman Empire when all land becomes high value commodity held by landlords. Unlike cyberpunk dystopias, the ancap dystopia will probably see a stagnation in tech innovation as capitalists invest ever more of their revenue on private military companies for security instead of on research and development.
Similar to the difference between European countries developing well because they only have to spend 2% on their military because NATO almost abolished European wars, whereas Russia is rubbish because they spend maybe as much as 30% on military because they are still living in the 19th century inside their heads.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 The Russian economy isn't doing poorly because of military spending. It's doing poorly because it's an oligarchy where none of the oligarchs are interested in or capable of running a business. In the US and in most capitalist countries, you invest in your business or your business will fall behind. A business that doesn't properly reinvest its earnings and expand is destine to fail. In Russia, all the oligarchs are in cahoots, so no one ever invests in their businesses as that would just rock the boat and make everyone turn on you. It happened this way because Russia was already so corrupt that when state run businesses were sold off, they were sold off only to government employees in portions far too large rather than to private individuals looking to run a business.
Every landowner would have their own rules i assume yes. But there would probably be security firms that makes sure that no1 in those properties hurt others or their property, just like the police.
Ancap has the potential to be the most advanced area in the world as innovation and hard work is required and allowed. Competition ---> innovation and progress. Most competetive system? Free markets.
@@sebastianbrodkin9156 Why would a land owner pay a security firm to stop their tenants from attacking each other when they could just not hire anyone? What's to stop landlords from exploiting their tenants, driving up rates over night and kicking out people they don't like? What's to stop tenants from burning down buildings of landlords when they get kicked out? Anarchy of any form is not conducive to stability, and stability is the backbone of economic growth. Anarcho capitalism will never surpass regulated capitalism for this reason.
@@DBZHGWgamer the tenants can pay for security themselves, or maybe the people who pay for security pay for a regional security. Hard to say what kind of services they offer. I would pay for security for whole area where i live. Probably a very large area, ideally atleast, depends on the prices. If there is a verified contract that does not allow for pricehikes and an organization that secures the contract then the landlord cant.
I like how this one actually doesn't become an autocracy, it just strays very far away from its original ideology.
It's branding was Anarcho Capitalism, but the actions are USSR communism. At each problem the solution was communism. One fire department? Really communists? Why do that?
I very quickly saw where this would end and that only made the journey sweeter. 10/10 experience.
Would totally watch again. In fact, I'm gonna do it right now ^^
One thing you need to watch out for here is binding everything to work contracts. This can be detrimental to people who have a reduced ability to work such as old or sick people or people born with physical or learning disabilities. There need to be social programs in place for this.
Ancaps don't care about things like caring for others and empathy. This video is about showing that rationally you end up at communism. Other videos can be about showing that morally you end up at communism, but that would be a different video.
The problem is that you can’t ethically force someone to help another person even if they have a moral obligation to. If people who can’t work can’t persuade others to give them what they need to live by offering their labour, then they need to rely on altruism but not on forcibly taking the labour of people who do work, because then you are implementing supposedly egalitarian slavery.
@@venusianblivet9518 Mita, Inca equivalent to "work tax": *now this looks like a job for me*
(Unintended consequence: If you mix the mita with the warehouse and town hall administrators, you get a state)
@@venusianblivet9518 no ethical way? Source? If society brought you to the point in life where you can help someone, you are ethically obligated to do so. Your very existence in a society with an infrastructure built prior to your arrival completely mitigates any sincere way to propose the half assed ethical dilemma you think you’re having.
@@addammadd Society isn’t an entity it’s just the sum of human interactions, so who specifically are you indebted to?
"Surviving the Aftermath" eh? Looks like it's good good review, and I'm undergoing colony sim withdrawal so that looks just like what I want right now. Great video too.
I would also suggest Rimworld if you haven't already played it
@@thorfirehawk4505 I've been a Dwarf Fortress player for over a decade so Rimworld barely scratches my itch, but it's one of the better alternatives.
Thanks for identifying the game. I was thinking I might check it out.
Tried Aftermath, it's not very good. Inside an hour you know where it's going and it is very shallow. It felt like Starcraft build order with none of the action. If you want batshit insanity, options and playability, I definitely recommend Rimworld. Dwarf fortress is so unwieldy it's not fun and tiring. Timberborn is good if you want something more chill with significant difficulty.
@@oohhboy-funhouse I have hundred of hours in Rimworld and I still prefer Dwarf Fortress by a wide margin. Both games are good but DF just has infinitely more depth, which is where I derive my fun from. Most other games just try to imitate DF. Timberborn is alright but I blitzed through its content when it came into Early Access so I'm looking for other games I haven't tried yet.
When I first heard of the term anarcho capitalism I said "WTF is that?"
And now all these years later I still say the same thing 😅
These are some of weirdest ideas
This one was weird, because I never had the time to wrap my head around the contract-system which distracted me from the rest of the video.
Yeah, I would have liked to see that bit explained in a bit more detail.
Probably because it is nonsense. The idea behind it is that the community came up with the list of things that need to be done for the community to go on and those things would have prices assigned (somehow) paid in goods and services needed by the people. Basically it divides the output of the community between the laborers based on how much work they have done. The problem lies in this division. How it is decided.
Carpentry is a hard work and needs to be compensated more justly says carpenter. Bricklaying takes a lot of experience to do it well and fast says bricklayer. And so on. In the end they have to decide the value of each labor provided and it cannot be equal. That is because everyone's skill is not equal. You may have an experienced worker that finishes his tasks much faster and may be able to take on more. Does that mean that his kind of labor is worth less or more? In the end you may have young inexperienced people who are incapable of sustaining themselves because their pay rate is decided by that of a faster and more skilled worker. Should we let them starve?
Alternatively you can pay based on hours worked. This was however the downfall of soviet communism. Everyone was paid the same regardless of how hard they worked. This incentivizes laziness and corruption. I will do this work off the books for you and you will do other work off the books for me.
No matter how you centrally decide the prices - you will create problems. Humans are incapable of grasping the demand and supply of a non-trivially sized population in a way that is fair and responsive to the ongoing situation. Adam tries to solve this by introducing his magical automated computer system into equation - this however shows his ignorance of such systems. They don't work and never have. We know this because we have tried to make them many times. These economic models are always flawed and don't reflect the reality accurately enough to manage the economy. There are too many variables that you cannot actively monitor.
This is not even taking into account that no matter how he tries to frame it - the administrators and programmers/maintainers of these systems are the people that are truly in power here. They have the power to fudge the numbers. If everyone gets a fraction less resources - too small to notice yourself - they can get significantly more wealth for themselves. The system can "glitch" and bug out. Sometimes for real and sometimes because someone chose to make it happen. The only arbiters of what was true are the only people that can tamper with it.
There is a reason why pretty much every communist system quickly descended into a dictatorial hellhole. Without getting rid of the need for administrators, you cannot form a working communist system. He who controls the flow of resources controls the system.
@@Telhias What would the solution be?
@@bluewhaleking6227 If there was a solution, we would probably be living in a perfect system by now. I believe that the fundamental problem lies in the human nature. We value ourselves and our close ones higher than the strangers. We simply don't have much empathy for strangers.
As such when faced with a way to enrich yourself, or perhaps to help a close one in need, at the cost of some faceless stranger, we tend to choose our interests. No matter what kind of laws and systems we introduce, the people will find a way to use and abuse it to their advantage.
The solution, if it exists, does not lie in the system, but in the people. If you could make sure that the right decisions are made then how you run a society does not matter. Even an absolute monarchy would be a utopia if the monarch was doing his absolute best to make the people and the country prosper while the people he delegates the power to were incorruptible.
The second I heard anti-monopoly and anti-coercion I knew how the video was going to end.
300 IQ in the comments: But USSR was CALLED communist therefore they were communist. Checkmate!
I know that you said this is the final part, but I still hope we can see the logical way an An-Cap society can deal with Foreign Policy. And in the case of this society, how external forces can cause Karlsberg to end up abandoning the Communist system for a socialist (at best.) or State Capitalist (at worst.) system
state capitalism does mot exist
it is an oxymoron
Adam's based levels went from 70% to 999% in seconds
Because of our new ancap age of consent?
As soon as the townspeople went "instead of money, let's use labor vouchers/contracts to barter for goods and services" I IMMEDIATELY knew where this was going lol
Literally, after like 3 sentences I was already like "okay this is just communism"
By the time I heard of favours getting out of hand and needing organisation I immediately thought "Wouldn't it be easy if we just had tokens that represented favours so we could trade them faster and more efficiently" and waited for the video to become about the system we already live in being reformed. I think some people forget that each unit of currency itself is meant to represent a small portion of goods or a small service. We already live in a favour-based system.
0:39 Implying anacaps would have an age of consent to begin with
Idk but based ancap
You should've done this justice.
I too like this concept, but there are open questions about efficiency of large scale production under democratic rule of workers.
You also should've made sure to describe information about all the transactions open and to forbid any transactions outside the system.
TL;DR: this system isn't protected from corruption and at large scale you can't expect community to notice it.
When there's corruption, there's unfair wealth and power accumulation. After all, the capital that Soviet party members had wasn't money. It was political power to make their wishes granted at the expense if others
That has been so far the issue with every try at communism. It doesn't work that well once it goes overregional.
Thank God capitalism is protected from corruption and unfairness.
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I do really love this "Ideology in Practice" series. Hopefully, other ideologies will also be put to trial in the next videos.
They would be much better if the author didnt have such a strong obvious bias.
@@arkology_city ,and what bias is that?
@@NareshSinghOctagon his dogma is obvious. Just look at the video icon.
Right wing = bad and evil
Marx = genius and god
@@arkology_city ,you do realise that was part of the joke?
The an-cap system,through logical means,turned into a near impossible to get communist utopia system,something that Marx helped to start.
And I don't think giving Marx laser beam eyes and surrounded by Hellfire means that he's a genius God.
The mistake on this video is assuming that Ancaps see money and inequality as a problem. Ancaps believe what they believe not because they feel compassion for anybody but just because they believe it will give them a chance of becoming rich.
Ancaps like and will continue to use money. Other than that this video is unironically accurate, and I'm speaking as a proud ancap.
A truly free market and deregulation REDUCES classism, not strengthens it. This is the biggest and most fatal flaw of all leftist thinking. And something we on the right have all been trying to tell you for the last 10 years - I am glad you all are starting to get it.....better late than never I guess.
@@arkology_city explain to me how increasing the power of rich people will reduce classism.
Because what you're doing is essentially that.
I love to see ancap ideas spiral out of control. Very nice! (:
Soon as they abolished money I suspected this was gonna end in Communism, and I was not disappointed ❤🖤
This was an amazing series, please consider making similar experiments, I think they're a great way to illustrate what happens and generate discussion
They would be much better if the author didnt have such a strong obvious bias.
@@arkology_city I mean, when you can explain how something could fail in three different ways, it's reasonable you're against it, right?
@@nataliaborys1554 You are in for a very sad and shocking 2022, when it is revealed to you what Ancapistan is in reality and the variety and power within the concept.
In my experience people who call themselves Anarcho capitalists are obsessed with dominating everyone and everything around them. That's why they will never give up currency, it's a great medium for dominating other people and giving yourself an outsized degree if control.
Im for ancap because i see it as the most ethical system. I think you guys who want to abolish currency have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and what you are believing/promoting. You would need coercion to get rid of currency firstly which i view as wrong. And secondly currency is literally a tool/technology, and it works well. In ancap there wouldnt be monopoly on currency so every1 can choose what currency they want to use or even create their own, or not use any at all.
Lefty policies require domination and coercion, meanwhile ancap at an idea lvl is about abolishing all involuntary coercion. Huge difference.
0:00 Lets see where we end up this time...
2:50 Ohhhh there is only one direction this can go...
6:00 wait for it...
9:30 CALLED IT!
The realization halfway through where this was going made the punchline somehow funnier.
So they went AnCom, but they actually managed to make it work. Neat.
0:30 Adam Something is just merciless.
If this would actually happen i would become an ancap in a Heartbeat
I would just keep the knowledge about what the society really is quitly to myself
@Social Libertarian That sounds like the system is inherently weak to greed. This means it promotes greed because the greedy do better in such a system.
oh boi, my favourite mini-series!
shame there will not be a Season 2....
Keep the currency and you've got Participatory Economics and a greater ability to trade between settlements/states. You could even open a tourist trade to show the denizens of Aynville and Randham around the wonders of your glorious anarcho-communist sorry I mean CAPITALIST definitely capitalist utopia
what is the name of the game hes showing it in???