FANTASTIC video Derek. I'll teeet it in a second. It make me realize that wouldn't there be a type of magnetic terminal velocity for hypoerloop because of Lenz's law?
SmarterEveryDay Lenz's law is responsible for the levitation itself. The speed of such a vehicle would be limited by the additive effect of inefficiencies in generating the levitation, such as the torque applied to each rotor by the slight difference in location of the magnetic fields, friction in the moving parts, air resistance (a vacuum on the scale of a hyperloop would require an insane level of energy and money to maintain), and others.
I'm sure it was the same bag-o-dicks presenting their one way thinking of stupidity like these guys. Too much money being made with some harmful tech that must be produced to keep us living like the caveman.
@@buckminsterfullerene2294 It will never have the same effect ... The density of the plate is proportional to the weight effect ... (Same effect inside the copper tube and its effect due to thickness of the tube)
Copper powder roads actually do exist, just not for this purpose. It'd actually be better if it was aluminum or gold, or something far more specific and convoluted.
@@gigaus0 : Actually, copper is fine. Though I'd go for aluminum for cost reasons. The bigger issue is that it needs to support a strong enough magnetic field, so a powder mixed with asphalt probably isn't a good choice. I'd go with thin but overlapping plates or something instead.
the last sentence that guy said... "to be able to get to a different city in the same day in my life time would be amazing" or something like that... does he not know about them aero planes?
it might have meant as a ferry : since trains can run on a tight scheduele , at extremely high speeds , but realisticali i think that 840 km/h ( 520 miles/h ) is a maximum above that it'd be impractical to make ordinary passangers handle the accelleration / you wouldn't enjoy the advantages of going at high speeds ... and BTW the Hyperloop is garbage : you simply can't make a low pressure chamber with that size , the tech isn't there yet ...
Visited Vanderbilt Univ a little of 5 years ago and saw one very similar in action. Pretty cool. Then they showed me the video that inspired them and it was one of my videos from 10 years ago.:) Still amazing to see it work. Kudos on the video.
For any curious experimenters, keep in mind that high temps destroy neodymium magnets... and I mean like the sorts of temps of the "hood of your car trunk on a sunny day" - hot will severely weaken them so keep that in mind when using expensive magnets like these.
Not quite. Some people could misunderstand this comment and think that neodymium magnets are useless and therefore "traditional" magnets should be used. For each application obviously you have to choose the material, geometry, system, etc. adequate. In this case, if you want to use SUPERMAGNETS (that is, magnets made with RARE EARTH, such as neodymium-iron-boron Nd2Fe14B), you must choose another material. That material is the intermetallic compound Samarium-Cobalt, SmCo5, which has magnetic properties almost as good (approximately 85%) as neodymium magnets, and whose critical temperature is about 2.5 times higher, even better than the critical temperature of many traditional ferromagnetic materials.
And 4 years later and we still don't have any US high speed rail systems in development nor hyperloops anywhere beyond the "we're testing to see the viability of it".
The problem with a hyperloop is that it is more likely to transport poor people to where rich people live than the other way around. That's why it isn't viable.
When I was 17, I posted a question on 2 different physics threads trying to understand magnets, and what would happen if you could disturb the flow of the magnetic field. Not only did people not really answer, but a bunch of ”professors” (however much weight that title holds on the forums i do not know) shut the 17 year old me down so freaking hard telling me im digging in the wrong spots and that this information is useless, ”otherwise, others would have already thought about it”. Now this guy right, 6 years later is telling me how they actually achieved this prior to me even posting the question, and the tech is being used in the large hadron collider... such a freaking shame tbh.
That’s why you don’t allow your ego to be hurt by the interweb denizens. For every one person you find who is good support, there’s 100 naysayers who will beat you down...and 1000 who’ll say, “duhhh...wut iz u ta’kin’ ‘bout?
You know, I'm not sure about practical consumer uses, but this would be perfect in large warehouses. Imagine a frictionless pallet jack or rolling safety ladder
Yeah but imagine how much easier it would be if it glided effortlessly after that initial push, you'd double your efficiency. It wouldn't be too hard to add a brake to this, surely they can come up with something
It wouldn't make my job easier at all. Pallet jacks are motorized and it would be hard to add a brake, how do you stop something that's levitating? Not to mention the double pallet jacks I use weight more than a car when they're loaded up.
Gee, technology moves fast. City to city travel, can be done these days, easily - a couple of Maglev trains are running, one of them over a 150 mile long track ( Tanjin to Beijing ; another from Shanghai Airport to Shanghai city 19 miles ; each is a commuter service. Japan, also runs Maglev train services, & that's about it, all other trains are steel wheels, or you either fly, or cruise via sea.
Man, I can't wait for future generations to be able to travel to different cities in one lifetime. What exciting times we live in.... I thought that technology only existed in the Flintstones documentaries.
But I don't get this: the point of levitation is to get rid of friction, allowing greater speeds (and also less wear), but here we just saw that there is resistance to motion and a lot of heat produced. And if you ever had an aluminium block and a strong magnet, you can try moving the magnet quickly over it and see how strong the pull is. So, is the net effect still better than using wheels that have very good ball bearings?
Ciroluiro with maglev, most of the electromagnets used are high temperature superconductors that are Flux pinned at certain heights. They generate no heat and act almost like magnetic mirrors. All the energy required is maintaining enough heat extraction such that ambient heat diffusion doesn't move the plate above the critical temperature.
Komninos... hyperloop may be a pipe dream for some reason or another, but it's worth a try even if it fails... we'll still learn a ton. You sound like the naysayers in the 60's with their "spaceflight is impossible and a waste" BS... even if it were a complete failure, which it obviously wasn't, we still gained world-changing technology that is highly practical today just from trying.
The drag is speed dependent which mean if you move that magnet on the aluminum block fast enough you'll actually experience reduced drag and more lift.
I really would like to know how much energy is used to levitate since there that counter torque. and how much more efficient would that kind of transportation be compared to losses due to friction of e.g. ball bearings.
And now you've asked the golden question and you will not like the answer not if you're hoping for any kind of practical device to come from this video. ever!!!! Not in the near future but ever!!! in all of time😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@stewedapple That's correct I absolutely detest the " term free energy" it's an oxymoron. I do however believe that very nearly free energy And very nearly pollution free ways to get it must be possible.
@@Noneyobusiness851 either way, it's just delaying the inevitable. Let's prevent the hippies from destroying the global economy over nonsense doomsday propaganda.
@@thecaptain29 Can't even remember what we were talking about I think it was the inefficiency of a mag/ Lev ?. But I would definitely say that yes! there are some people in the world who don't understand half of what they complain about, Like as you said "hippies" Who often failed to fully understand the full remifications of lot's of the silly ideas they try to get behind, It's just a simple case of not seeing the bigger picture Take electric cars for example A lot of hippie types Wanna buy e cars and save the world, They have no clue that electric cars are very toxic for the environment As well just in different ways The only reason they would ever become popular is because they have a much lower maintenance costs In the end the electric car is more about economy than it is about ecology But that's definitely not the way they spin the commercials and the hippie people buy it right up without ever considering anything else.
@ I never said that this particular case shows that he is biased in other videos. The question is loaded. What I mean is that his bias is shown here. Due to his lack of critique to projects like the Hyperloop or even recognizing that Maglevs, are still not efficient enough to ultimately change “traditional” rails. Other example of Derek’s bias is his mentions to Musk as a“real life Tony Stark”. Even when that’s not true.
I screwed around with this in middle school a bunch of guys and I thought it would be funny to sping magnets on a motor to use as a method of power transmission, never thought of using it this way even after learning about the moving a magnetic field thing in high school
If you used this in a house to move certain things efficiently, what if you took the heat generated on the floor, underlayed the floor with water so that water is boiled for steam to be produced and then the steam is then circumvented into a steam engine to gain back some of the used energy. The floor would also have some form of heat resistant coating so you can step on it too.
Main Problem with them are 1. It needs a LOT of power 2. It makes a LOT of heat. 3. They break easy and aren't cheep to make. but if we got over those problems then they would start to see more use.
@deconvertedguy well tbh its not justified why we have poles some say do to molten core which is mostly metal and its spins which induce magnetic field. but molten lava is way too deep inside the earth so thats out of the picture
@@ayushsrivastav9055 The world has a lot of conductive metal, but most of it is heavily insulated and it isn’t NEARLY densely packed enough to induce an appreciable magnetic field.
As a German, people here already have the ability to travel from one city to the next in the same day. Yes, even by rail, because we have a proper public transport infrastructure.
It's not because of a proper transport service. It's the size of your country. We have states larger than your country and we have one state that is almost double the size of Germany.
The craziest thing is I watched a man take an old engine apart the other day and immediately thought of an idea like this. I’ve been thinking about it non stop since then and bam this video shows up on my feed.
Or made of copper sheets... then thieves will be tearing up the "roadway" to sell it for as scrap for dope... might as well call it the "dope-ways". lol
I really want to see this happen, but a problem immediately comes to mind: you need a power source of some kind. Maybe it's possible with some kind of capacitor since the moment it gets off the ground, there would be a lot less friction to contend with and it could probably keep its momentum like a classical beyblade. Goddamn, can we get Smarter Every Day or Stuff Made Here or someone similar on this?
Wow I can't believe it!! I've held this vision of a hover car since i was a kid by trying to implement something similar to a set of four car wheels and the ground (maybe some ferromagentic paint), but never had the robotics skills to make that happen! This is quite literally my dream come true!!!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Instead of physically rotating a bunch of magnets, couldn't they just use an array of coils energized in sequence to produce the same fields? (Think along the lines of induction motors.) A couple sets of transistors in parallel (to handle the current) to switch each coil, and then you have something solid-state with no moving parts. Now just make that copper plate into an inverted V shape, and bank each pair of magnets and it should self-center to make a working track of inverted-V sections. Still this system isn't that efficient if anything has to hover in place without moving, too much of that energy is wasted as heat from the resistance of the eddy current.
There is a minimum amount of time that the field lingers before it dissipates and you can actually charge the next configuration. Basically the same reason why Gause cannons aren't a real thing outside of small scale laboratory demonstrations and sci-fi stories.
Current requirements, switching and current lag, would probably negate their use in mag-lev systems. Not to mention the increased initial cost and complexity.
I cant help but think how this tech could be adapted to bobsledding, at lightning speeds! Copper track, with Tesla Sled, all iced up for hard contact turns. Of course new designs for tracks...
I don’t see a practical purpose for a magnetically levitating “hovercraft”, but if you flip it upside down, I bet it’d make a good induction cook top. I can fly from Florida to Japan in ONE DAY 👍
@@protonjinx that is true. Internal combustion engines are inefficient, but unless you plan on lining the roads with steel plates, a magnetically levitating car is worthless. Mag lev trains are fine, but 1. We don’t have any, 2. They don’t drop you off exactly where you wanna go. I’d like to see hydrogen fuel cells.. most abundant substance in the universe.
@@Eu_Sou_A_Novia_Countryball maglev trains are fine. I said HOVERCRAFT. A hovercraft is not a train, but like the hover trains, would require a special surface to function, thereby rendering magnetically levitating hovercrafts useless.
How would one go around calculating lift? What would one do to increase it? Stronger magnets? More RPM? Both? Is it possible to generate less lift on front side in order to "slide forward"?
"It turns out that getting from one city to another city in the same day is something that the next billion or 2 billion people might have the option to do in one lifetime." * Really, ya think? We've already been doing that for perhaps centuries, especially where cities border each other! It can be done just by walking!
Back in 1996 at the International Tesla Conference, a gentleman there demonstrated this same effect with two rotating cylindrical spinning magnets, There was an aluminum bar levitating a couple of inches above the both of them. They were also spinning in opposite each other. Los Alamos New Mexico through Sandia Laboratories was looking into using his system for Maglev trains at that time.
If by tech, you mean electromagnetism? Yes. If by tech, you mean spinning magnets? No. I’d argue this is relatively more complex than a RG. RG’s are simple from an electromagnetic standpoint, scaling them to do what the Navy wants is what complicates things - this complexity mostly revolves around the amount of power certain electronic components can withstand.
Weird how many universities and businesses do not find the hyperloop impossible but are instead pouring huge amounts of effort into developing it into a commercial product.
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@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 Weird how many universities and businesses smell money and try to grab some of it. And just in case you try to argue "investors would never give money to stupid ideas"… check out Theranos.
I once worked in a "Steel Mill" and we used to lift and move sheets of Steel weighing several Tons with an electromagnet powered by a 12v DC Car Battery.
Seeing these things work, i think i know how they work, and after listening to the explanation, i know that i was almost 100% right, but it still intimidates, that you have a degree in physics, and in real life i wouldn't be able to answer confidently if i had to.
Are you forget the fact that the copper warms up to the point where it will boil water? Imagine traveling across a surface that can burn you and horribly disfigure you at any point. Yeah, not just yet.
Well, first get the 200 million atmosphere pressure on the super conductor material... And then see if you can spin that material and the pressure container around like those permanent magnets....
This is the most brilliant thing i have ever seen do you know what this means.. you can turn on off panels of electromagnets rapidly to achieve the same effect with out the motors..
@@yinyang1217 I did this before the universe was created. heard a big "bang" and next thing i new it was billions of years later and i was typing a stupid youtube comment.
So first, the "roads" would have to be made of a copper plates or other superconducting material (not the vehicle itself)... second, the vehicle would either have to be travelling at very high speeds to stay afloat, or have rotating horizontal wheels made or super strong magnets similar to the prototype being demonstrated here (or superconductors). With today's technology this would be impractical, but then again 30-40 years ago who would have thought that we'll have Star Trek like smart-phones in our pockets. ;)
@@ZimaletaMotors Depending on how hot you get it, you might be able to boil water underneath it and then push that through a steam turbine. Maybe. IAN an electrician, engineer, or terribly smart person.
Hyperloop is just maglev but more expensive and less return. Most of the resistance comes from the wheels so removing the wheels gives you a big boost to efficiency. If you want to reduce air resistance simply make the train longer so you can move more mass with less surface area. That's why maglev exists while hyperloop remains a fantasy. Besides, existing trains already have a very good efficiency for their cost, that's why we use them so much. Their ability to use electricity also makes the a perfect target for renewable power.
There are little mice who are trying to catch a piece of cheese, and the have been trained to wear non-slip sneakers. This force is connected to the magnets by means of a six speed transmission. in case any mice catch the cheese and extra energy is released.
Alan Hatch well it's still possible even without the sheet, you just need to create a strong enough magnetic field and this thing could perfectly work, you don't need to lay down copper plates over a huge territory for it to work.
@@Barefoot_Joe I think that's probably because Britain is small and hilly. The benefits of lower friction add up over longer distances that we don't really have, so it makes more sense to use a faster but more conventional train.
@@Barefoot_Joe also the British one used an old technology, and got shut down because it worked so well & worn out so little they didn't bother manufacturing spareparts until it's too expensive to do so
I want a antigravitationplatform without the copperplate, just flying over the ground like the uap's. ^^ No sound, no exhaust, no contrail or something.
Its because Thunderf00t, who is not an engineer, doesn't understand the difference between the technologically challenging and the impossible. He made a video "debunking" the concept, which was really just him complaining about how difficult the project would be and how new the technology is. I personally don't think it'll be implemented in the near future either, but the idiots comparing it to solar roadways clearly don't understand the difference between a dumb idea and a difficult to implement one.
since when does he support brexit ? his videos on the matter go specificly against brexit, send me a link of anything where thunderf00t says brexit was a good idea
Riiight, so some guy on the internet apparently has a better understanding of science and engineering that Elon Musk, and everyone just blindly believes the Internet guy. Great. What a good day for science.
No. It's not impossible. It's not difficult to implement. It's hilariously infeasible and extremely dangerous. A single .50 caliber bullet hole in a rather thin wall of the several-hundred-kilometer tube will kill everyone in every car travelling down it. The thermal expansion will need absolutely huge vacuum expansion joints every few kilometers. And to reiterate - a slight depressurisation will grow larger, letting in more air, and killing everyone inside. Then, to top it all off, there's a problem of cost. Maglev costs an order of magnitude less and it's still infeasible, though very fast and reliable.
old video , but its educational. I love the world of science. Im also a Trekkie, so as spock would say; thats only logical. Derek you got my attention, because this way of learning is so much fun.
We already have a way to go from one city to another in less than a day. It's called an airplane, and it's not restricted to a track, tube, or anything like that.
Though my numbers may be off, that would impact anything within with the force of about 10 tons/m^2 moving at the speed of sound. You'd have better odds of survival being hit by a freight train head-on.
if i'm not mistaken you don't bring temps up you bring them down @ sub zero where some materials are natural superconductors but we gone have to figure out how to turn natural resistor like stone's into conductors No?
Where do copper floors exist though? The problem is that coating the floor with copper is expensive and unsafe. The only applications I can think of for this are bumper cars and maybe some kind of forklift for a warehouse. But we have more conventional means that are way more energy efficient.
uh... he asked how much it weighs, not what its mass is. The correct answer is-- it weighs 467 N. Maybe learn your precious metric system better. You guys screw up mass and force more often than you get it right.
@@HollywoodF1 The units of mass and weight are generally used interchangeably anywhere on the earth's surface, as the discrepancy between the force of gravity at sea level and, for example, mt everest is negligable.
@@HollywoodF1 kilograms is unit of weight too i mean r u intensionally doing his..unjust look stupid noone wighs things in newtons except physicist.i mean..even if u say 10kilo thats still correct
While watching this I immediately thought of a UFO hovering above the landscape. This makes me wonder if coupled with other equipment and methods of science by some marriage of complex physics if this might be the basis of UFO propulsion technology. 😳 Simply amazing.
FANTASTIC video Derek. I'll teeet it in a second. It make me realize that wouldn't there be a type of magnetic terminal velocity for hypoerloop because of Lenz's law?
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no, but there will probably be one for the *hyperloop
maybe edit that
Thats right Destin, and according to their calculation its gonna cost to fix that problem. They are gonna need about tree fiddy
SmarterEveryDay Lenz's law is responsible for the levitation itself. The speed of such a vehicle would be limited by the additive effect of inefficiencies in generating the levitation, such as the torque applied to each rotor by the slight difference in location of the magnetic fields, friction in the moving parts, air resistance (a vacuum on the scale of a hyperloop would require an insane level of energy and money to maintain), and others.
Lenz's law is the first thing that came to my mind, too
I first saw a similar demo at the science museum in Toronto when I was 12, with the same promises assumed, I'm 62 now.
I'm sure it was the same bag-o-dicks presenting their one way thinking of stupidity like these guys. Too much money being made with some harmful tech that must be produced to keep us living like the caveman.
I bet they already found that promise.... to valuable to share I guess
And the US government rubbing their hands, weaponizing alien anti-gravity tech
@Tanner Powers Like?
@Tanner Powers In that case maybe he should consider announce it to the world.
What is his patent number?
I'm reading a fascinating book about Electromagnetic Levitation... I can't put it down.
Master Therion what's it called?
Master Therion what's it called?
chandra D its a joke
Atom Sim I just realized. I am a moron.
low key disappointed though.
Nice one ;3
Perfect...
Now we need to make all the copper roads
LOL
Max Garcia copper powder could added to the bitumen
Well we got a green city.Haha...And a very hot one too.Haha. BRING ME THE EGGS PLEASE.
@@buckminsterfullerene2294 It will never have the same effect ...
The density of the plate is proportional to the weight effect ...
(Same effect inside the copper tube and its effect due to thickness of the tube)
Copper powder roads actually do exist, just not for this purpose.
It'd actually be better if it was aluminum or gold, or something far more specific and convoluted.
@@gigaus0 : Actually, copper is fine. Though I'd go for aluminum for cost reasons. The bigger issue is that it needs to support a strong enough magnetic field, so a powder mixed with asphalt probably isn't a good choice. I'd go with thin but overlapping plates or something instead.
the last sentence that guy said... "to be able to get to a different city in the same day in my life time would be amazing" or something like that... does he not know about them aero planes?
you even could get to another city that is more than 1000km in one day by a car, lol. I think he might mean "in an hour"
Yeah maybe he doesn’t get out much..
Yeah this comment threw me. Australia would be screwed if a truck couldn't drive between the main cities (1000-2000km) within a day.
@@johannesandersson9477 you reckon? look how long his beard is, maybe he can't make it to the gate
it might have meant as a ferry : since trains can run on a tight scheduele , at extremely high speeds , but realisticali i think that 840 km/h ( 520 miles/h ) is a maximum above that it'd be impractical to make ordinary passangers handle the accelleration / you wouldn't enjoy the advantages of going at high speeds ...
and BTW the Hyperloop is garbage : you simply can't make a low pressure chamber with that size , the tech isn't there yet ...
i only imagine razer loking at this and thinking
"man, that april fools prank was a good idea"
Visited Vanderbilt Univ a little of 5 years ago and saw one very similar in action. Pretty cool. Then they showed me the video that inspired them and it was one of my videos from 10 years ago.:) Still amazing to see it work. Kudos on the video.
For any curious experimenters, keep in mind that high temps destroy neodymium magnets... and I mean like the sorts of temps of the "hood of your car trunk on a sunny day" - hot will severely weaken them so keep that in mind when using expensive magnets like these.
Not quite. Some people could misunderstand this comment and think that neodymium magnets are useless and therefore "traditional" magnets should be used.
For each application obviously you have to choose the material, geometry, system, etc. adequate. In this case, if you want to use SUPERMAGNETS (that is, magnets made with RARE EARTH, such as neodymium-iron-boron Nd2Fe14B), you must choose another material. That material is the intermetallic compound Samarium-Cobalt, SmCo5, which has magnetic properties almost as good (approximately 85%) as neodymium magnets, and whose critical temperature is about 2.5 times higher, even better than the critical temperature of many traditional ferromagnetic materials.
Me, a brainrot victim: UsE LiQuId nITrOgEn.
Took me five months to travel by horse drawn carriage to the next town over :(
If only I could get a horseless buggy...
Yeah, no kidding, right? I thought about that guy, "Really, ya think?" Psschh!
Someone finally applied it, hope to see it evolve in my lifetime. Great job!
It was perfected in the 1930's and patented. Ancient technology.
And 4 years later and we still don't have any US high speed rail systems in development nor hyperloops anywhere beyond the "we're testing to see the viability of it".
What you talking about we've created Mr magneto
@@riptmedia7416 LOL
Yes we do in shelby ville ogdon ville and soon springfield will have one. "Doh"
The problem with a hyperloop is that it is more likely to transport poor people to where rich people live than the other way around. That's why it isn't viable.
Everybody already knows the viability of hyperloops. Possible, but really, really bad ideas compared to existing transportation.
When I was 17, I posted a question on 2 different physics threads trying to understand magnets, and what would happen if you could disturb the flow of the magnetic field. Not only did people not really answer, but a bunch of ”professors” (however much weight that title holds on the forums i do not know) shut the 17 year old me down so freaking hard telling me im digging in the wrong spots and that this information is useless, ”otherwise, others would have already thought about it”.
Now this guy right, 6 years later is telling me how they actually achieved this prior to me even posting the question, and the tech is being used in the large hadron collider... such a freaking shame tbh.
That’s why you don’t allow your ego to be hurt by the interweb denizens. For every one person you find who is good support, there’s 100 naysayers who will beat you down...and 1000 who’ll say, “duhhh...wut iz u ta’kin’ ‘bout?
@@Name-ps9fx lol nice Russell Westbrook quote
@@thecaptain29
Who’s he?
@@Name-ps9fx famous basketball player, you quoted him exactly 😂
@@thecaptain29
I don’t watch pro sports...I thought I was being original.
Damn aliens, beaming signals into my brain again! 👽
You know, I'm not sure about practical consumer uses, but this would be perfect in large warehouses. Imagine a frictionless pallet jack or rolling safety ladder
Yeah but imagine how much easier it would be if it glided effortlessly after that initial push, you'd double your efficiency. It wouldn't be too hard to add a brake to this, surely they can come up with something
It wouldn't make my job easier at all. Pallet jacks are motorized and it would be hard to add a brake, how do you stop something that's levitating? Not to mention the double pallet jacks I use weight more than a car when they're loaded up.
Whatever dude
IT ONLY WORKS ON METAL SURFACES WITH A MAGNETIC FIELD ! ! !
The floor is lava
Woah. Imagine in the future when I can travel from one city to another city in one day!
Gee, technology moves fast.
City to city travel, can be done these days, easily - a couple of Maglev trains are running, one of them over a 150 mile long track ( Tanjin to Beijing ; another from Shanghai Airport to Shanghai city 19 miles ; each is a commuter service. Japan, also runs Maglev train services, & that's about it, all other trains are steel wheels, or you either fly, or cruise via sea.
The heating effect is called Magnetic Induction which is what makes Induction Cooktops work.
Edy current ?
Man, I can't wait for future generations to be able to travel to different cities in one lifetime. What exciting times we live in.... I thought that technology only existed in the Flintstones documentaries.
You clearly misheard.
What if you arranged the magnets like this:
↑↑↓↓←→←→B A
You could, but that would be cheating ;)
You get 25 lives
You enter no-gravity mode and can do all the kickflips you want.
You will be banned for doing that!
NFSP G35 then you would unlock the secret chara for th game
But I don't get this: the point of levitation is to get rid of friction, allowing greater speeds (and also less wear), but here we just saw that there is resistance to motion and a lot of heat produced. And if you ever had an aluminium block and a strong magnet, you can try moving the magnet quickly over it and see how strong the pull is. So, is the net effect still better than using wheels that have very good ball bearings?
Ciroluiro with maglev, most of the electromagnets used are high temperature superconductors that are Flux pinned at certain heights. They generate no heat and act almost like magnetic mirrors. All the energy required is maintaining enough heat extraction such that ambient heat diffusion doesn't move the plate above the critical temperature.
Komninos... hyperloop may be a pipe dream for some reason or another, but it's worth a try even if it fails... we'll still learn a ton. You sound like the naysayers in the 60's with their "spaceflight is impossible and a waste" BS... even if it were a complete failure, which it obviously wasn't, we still gained world-changing technology that is highly practical today just from trying.
The drag is speed dependent which mean if you move that magnet on the aluminum block fast enough you'll actually experience reduced drag and more lift.
I really would like to know how much energy is used to levitate since there that counter torque. and how much more efficient would that kind of transportation be compared to losses due to friction of e.g. ball bearings.
And now you've asked the golden question and you will not like the answer not if you're hoping for any kind of practical device to come from this video.
ever!!!! Not in the near future but ever!!! in all of time😂😂😂😂😂😂
There's no such thing as a free lunch by the looks of it.
@@stewedapple That's correct I absolutely detest the
" term free energy" it's an oxymoron.
I do however believe that very nearly free energy And very nearly pollution free ways to get it must be possible.
@@Noneyobusiness851 either way, it's just delaying the inevitable. Let's prevent the hippies from destroying the global economy over nonsense doomsday propaganda.
@@thecaptain29 Can't even remember what we were talking about I think it was the inefficiency of a mag/ Lev ?.
But I would definitely say that yes! there are some people in the world who don't understand half of what they complain about, Like as you said "hippies" Who often failed to fully understand the full remifications of lot's of the silly ideas they try to get behind, It's just a simple case of not seeing the bigger picture Take electric cars for example A lot of hippie types Wanna buy e cars and save the world, They have no clue that electric cars are very toxic for the environment As well just in different ways The only reason they would ever become popular is because they have a much lower maintenance costs In the end the electric car is more about economy than it is about ecology But that's definitely not the way they spin the commercials and the hippie people buy it right up without ever considering anything else.
As much as I love this channel, Derek is still human, and bias in certain videos is pretty clear.
Could you maybe elaborate on what you mean to state?
@ He mentions the Hyperloop. Which proved to be impossible…
@@-TheUnkownUser Okay? How does that show his biased nature to certain videos?
@ I never said that this particular case shows that he is biased in other videos.
The question is loaded.
What I mean is that his bias is shown here. Due to his lack of critique to projects like the Hyperloop or even recognizing that Maglevs, are still not efficient enough to ultimately change “traditional” rails.
Other example of Derek’s bias is his mentions to Musk as a“real life Tony Stark”. Even when that’s not true.
@@-TheUnkownUser Ah I see. Thank you for the knowledge, kind commenter. And sorry for my ignorance.
I screwed around with this in middle school a bunch of guys and I thought it would be funny to sping magnets on a motor to use as a method of power transmission, never thought of using it this way even after learning about the moving a magnetic field thing in high school
Damn I am fast, like electrons almost
TheFaarf
Too true.
TheFaarf u mean like photons
Electrons aren't that fast, unfortunately...
should have said light, electrons are slow in electricity and also because of quantum mechanics, an election isnt orbiting so its not really moving.
electron in conductors only travel at the order of 10^-7 m/s in conductors. You might want to reconsider
If you used this in a house to move certain things efficiently, what if you took the heat generated on the floor, underlayed the floor with water so that water is boiled for steam to be produced and then the steam is then circumvented into a steam engine to gain back some of the used energy. The floor would also have some form of heat resistant coating so you can step on it too.
the fact one of the guys worked on hyperloop one does not give me confidence this will be practical and usefull lololol
Can you explain to me what you just said
Main Problem with them are 1. It needs a LOT of power 2. It makes a LOT of heat. 3. They break easy and aren't cheep to make. but if we got over those problems then they would start to see more use.
@@evanschmitt2802 you forget they need a big slab pf copper plate beneath them. so your limited to the space you place an inch of coppersheet
@@sadev101 That's also a problem
I was always wondering how them aliens where whipping those saucers around my house so smoothly
Dude thats only true if the world was made up of some conductive metal
@@ayushsrivastav9055 say this again but slowly
@deconvertedguy well tbh its not justified why we have poles some say do to molten core which is mostly metal and its spins which induce magnetic field. but molten lava is way too deep inside the earth so thats out of the picture
@@ayushsrivastav9055 The world has a lot of conductive metal, but most of it is heavily insulated and it isn’t NEARLY densely packed enough to induce an appreciable magnetic field.
As a German, people here already have the ability to travel from one city to the next in the same day. Yes, even by rail, because we have a proper public transport infrastructure.
Zuthal Soraniz People in America can also do that bc they have planes ✈👀
It's not because of a proper transport service. It's the size of your country. We have states larger than your country and we have one state that is almost double the size of Germany.
We also have a proper transport infrastructure, they're called cars, I hear Germany makes a few.
A Great Idea for Forging using High Frequency Alternating Magnetic Field
The craziest thing is I watched a man take an old engine apart the other day and immediately thought of an idea like this. I’ve been thinking about it non stop since then and bam this video shows up on my feed.
Aluminium FREAKIN' Roadways!!
Or made of copper sheets... then thieves will be tearing up the "roadway" to sell it for as scrap for dope... might as well call it the "dope-ways". lol
very un-environmentally friendly
A step upward in science, physics. Thank you for making it so clear.
Imagine implementing this technology into beyblades
I really want to see this happen, but a problem immediately comes to mind: you need a power source of some kind. Maybe it's possible with some kind of capacitor since the moment it gets off the ground, there would be a lot less friction to contend with and it could probably keep its momentum like a classical beyblade.
Goddamn, can we get Smarter Every Day or Stuff Made Here or someone similar on this?
the levitation effect would be similar to that one beyblade in Russian team which floats due to waves
Lmfao of all the comments.
Wow I can't believe it!! I've held this vision of a hover car since i was a kid by trying to implement something similar to a set of four car wheels and the ground (maybe some ferromagentic paint), but never had the robotics skills to make that happen! This is quite literally my dream come true!!!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Instead of physically rotating a bunch of magnets, couldn't they just use an array of coils energized in sequence to produce the same fields? (Think along the lines of induction motors.) A couple sets of transistors in parallel (to handle the current) to switch each coil, and then you have something solid-state with no moving parts.
Now just make that copper plate into an inverted V shape, and bank each pair of magnets and it should self-center to make a working track of inverted-V sections.
Still this system isn't that efficient if anything has to hover in place without moving, too much of that energy is wasted as heat from the resistance of the eddy current.
So a conventional maglev system?
Split an Eve
Save an Adam..
There is a minimum amount of time that the field lingers before it dissipates and you can actually charge the next configuration. Basically the same reason why Gause cannons aren't a real thing outside of small scale laboratory demonstrations and sci-fi stories.
@@megadeathx Hate to break it to you but the US navy has a fullscale railgun in working order.
Current requirements, switching and current lag, would probably negate their use in mag-lev systems.
Not to mention the increased initial cost and complexity.
I cant help but think how this tech could be adapted to bobsledding, at lightning speeds! Copper track, with Tesla Sled, all iced up for hard contact turns.
Of course new designs for tracks...
Yes, because getting to another city in a day is impossible now.
Was just thinking the same thing
Stefan Smuts A real strong argument for a hyperloop huh.
maybe working in another city and coming back the same day?
If you want convenience go to 7/11,
That response only shows how ignorant you really are.
I can think of so many great applications for this technology
I don’t see a practical purpose for a magnetically levitating “hovercraft”, but if you flip it upside down, I bet it’d make a good induction cook top.
I can fly from Florida to Japan in ONE DAY 👍
The majority of the gas you put in your car is spent on overcoming friction. Air and road surface.
@@protonjinx that is true. Internal combustion engines are inefficient, but unless you plan on lining the roads with steel plates, a magnetically levitating car is worthless. Mag lev trains are fine, but 1. We don’t have any, 2. They don’t drop you off exactly where you wanna go. I’d like to see hydrogen fuel cells.. most abundant substance in the universe.
@@rickpontificates3406 There have been Maglev trains since 2004, you know? (but how it works is different from the device in this video)
@@Eu_Sou_A_Novia_Countryball maglev trains are fine. I said HOVERCRAFT. A hovercraft is not a train, but like the hover trains, would require a special surface to function, thereby rendering magnetically levitating hovercrafts useless.
I couldn't imagine wasting my life by working for a hyperloop company.
Remember how computers were all big and bulky.. and now they’re in our pockets! You just wait!!
@John in all seriousness, no.
I’m very proud of you Aussie bloke. Sooner rather than later we will have ARVs with transdimensional travel capacity
Something tells me that some portions of this video are going to show up in future Thunderf00t videos.
Probably as evidences and not the debunked
Well you sure won't be making a UFO anytime soon unless you feel like flying over a copper plate all the time
Technically it won't be an ufo cause we will know what it is
That’s cute but I doubt UFO’s use magnetic fields in this fashion.
we need a new version of air hockey with this technology! (as long as we can counteract the heat)
Kenny Lee Sign me up!
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How would one go around calculating lift? What would one do to increase it? Stronger magnets? More RPM? Both? Is it possible to generate less lift on front side in order to "slide forward"?
I don't recall the lift stuff, but the rest of the stuff is "yes". Look up stuff like "linear induction motor" and "magnetic river" for more.
@@absalomdraconis Awesome, thank you.
"It turns out that getting from one city to another city in the same day is something that the next billion or 2 billion people might have the option to do in one lifetime."
* Really, ya think? We've already been doing that for perhaps centuries, especially where cities border each other! It can be done just by walking!
So this is how the foundation makes 106's containment chamber.
Noticing foundation references all over youtube may be part a memetic phenomenon.
Back in 1996 at the International Tesla Conference, a gentleman there demonstrated this same effect with two rotating cylindrical spinning magnets, There was an aluminum bar levitating a couple of inches above the both of them. They were also spinning in opposite each other. Los Alamos New Mexico through Sandia Laboratories was looking into using his system for Maglev trains at that time.
That's pretty wild. Is this also the tech that moves a projectile in a rail gun?
If by tech, you mean electromagnetism? Yes. If by tech, you mean spinning magnets? No. I’d argue this is relatively more complex than a RG. RG’s are simple from an electromagnetic standpoint, scaling them to do what the Navy wants is what complicates things - this complexity mostly revolves around the amount of power certain electronic components can withstand.
@@richardramos5124 Thanks
Hyperloop. Such an impossible project, I'm still surprised it is taken seriously. Fun vid about a different kind of electromagnetic lift!
Weird how many universities and businesses do not find the hyperloop impossible but are instead pouring huge amounts of effort into developing it into a commercial product.
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 Weird how many universities and businesses smell money and try to grab some of it. And just in case you try to argue "investors would never give money to stupid ideas"… check out Theranos.
I once worked in a "Steel Mill" and we used to lift and move sheets of Steel weighing several Tons with an electromagnet powered by a 12v DC Car Battery.
Seeing these things work, i think i know how they work, and after listening to the explanation, i know that i was almost 100% right, but it still intimidates, that you have a degree in physics, and in real life i wouldn't be able to answer confidently if i had to.
Copper solar freaking roadways!
Brilliant!
And with solar panels so it pays for itself
Are you forget the fact that the copper warms up to the point where it will boil water? Imagine traveling across a surface that can burn you and horribly disfigure you at any point. Yeah, not just yet.
@@StadiaTime - cool it with a liquid on the underside and pump that hot liquid to Russia to heat people's homes
I had to laugh! What a fail the solar roadways were.... Unbelievable!
A lot people love science. Doesn't mean they understand it thou
2020 here, what do room temperature high pressure superconductors mean for this technology?
Well, first get the 200 million atmosphere pressure on the super conductor material... And then see if you can spin that material and the pressure container around like those permanent magnets....
With superconductors you wouldn’t need any spinning, but the ground would need to be covered in magnets.
Time to shrink the tech and make the next gen air hockey table lol
Already exists; It's expensive as fk, costs a lot more to run, and can only run for 20 minutes before damaging the non-metal stuff. But it does exist.
This is the most brilliant thing i have ever seen do you know what this means.. you can turn on off panels of electromagnets rapidly to achieve the same effect with out the motors..
My sister did this in the 80s lol...
In 4th grade as a science project...
Pathetic my cousin did it in his first hour of being born.
@@adityavikram244 mine in 1 minut.
@@yinyang1217 I did this before the universe was created. heard a big "bang" and next thing i new it was billions of years later and i was typing a stupid youtube comment.
It's been a while, but I think it's time for an old meme...
*Messes up hair, holds out hands*
Aliens
So first, the "roads" would have to be made of a copper plates or other superconducting material (not the vehicle itself)... second, the vehicle would either have to be travelling at very high speeds to stay afloat, or have rotating horizontal wheels made or super strong magnets similar to the prototype being demonstrated here (or superconductors). With today's technology this would be impractical, but then again 30-40 years ago who would have thought that we'll have Star Trek like smart-phones in our pockets. ;)
There is iron deep in earth
"The idea of getting from one city to another city in one day" the 20th century has slipped his mind.
Is there a way to absorb that heat and redirect it to produce energy?
Jack Daniels lol my question exactly, I think there’s many uses for the heat that’s generated, it can be used to generate electricity for sure
@@ZimaletaMotors Depending on how hot you get it, you might be able to boil water underneath it and then push that through a steam turbine.
Maybe.
IAN an electrician, engineer, or terribly smart person.
Perhaps having the underside of the copper sheet connected to an array of thermocouples might do it.
Wait, isn’t the hyperloop just a billionaire boondoggle that would be a dangerous if any length were ever built?
Hyperloop is just maglev but more expensive and less return.
Most of the resistance comes from the wheels so removing the wheels gives you a big boost to efficiency.
If you want to reduce air resistance simply make the train longer so you can move more mass with less surface area.
That's why maglev exists while hyperloop remains a fantasy.
Besides, existing trains already have a very good efficiency for their cost, that's why we use them so much. Their ability to use electricity also makes the a perfect target for renewable power.
@@ViciousVinnyD yeah, explosive decompression and pressure waves are no joke.
How fast do the magnets spin (like in rpm's)?
There are little mice who are trying to catch a piece of cheese, and the have been trained to wear non-slip sneakers. This force is connected to the magnets by means of a six speed transmission. in case any mice catch the cheese and extra energy is released.
That's why UFO's or flying saucers spin 🤔
Now all we need are roads out of copper sheets and BAM flying car! Woot!
I was excited until I noticed the copper sheet.
Exactly, there is thickness to it too which (I am guessing) matters
Alan Hatch well it's still possible even without the sheet, you just need to create a strong enough magnetic field and this thing could perfectly work, you don't need to lay down copper plates over a huge territory for it to work.
Alan Hatch yeah when I noticed that I thought, Oh sheet
(get the pun?)
It's a small price to pay compared to the benefits
BINGO!
So it's like those magnetic trains that the ENTIRE planet has outside of the US.
yup
yup yup@@jeffchilds8050
Only a couple of countries have Maglev, and the country that invented it (UK) doesn't use them and never has, it should tell you a lot.
@@Barefoot_Joe I think that's probably because Britain is small and hilly. The benefits of lower friction add up over longer distances that we don't really have, so it makes more sense to use a faster but more conventional train.
@@Barefoot_Joe also the British one used an old technology, and got shut down because it worked so well & worn out so little they didn't bother manufacturing spareparts until it's too expensive to do so
This reminds me of the ship in matrix with glowing disks
5:00 wow you heard it here first guise, in the future thanks to magnets we'll be able to go from one city to another in one day or less!
Perhaps a different magnet in a different configuration can use the earth as its base and not a copper sheet?
No.
The material has to hole eddy currents
When can we get a flying saucer, I wanna see Rick and Morty.
Rick and Morty passed away so what you really need to go see them is a cofffin💥🤭😂😂
i had an idea for a levitating non-wheelchair using something similar. nice to see it would've actually worked :)
So far this is the first time I’ve ever heard the Canada side of you Derek!
And this can be called a quadcopter because?
A) It can fly.
B) It has four main points that achieve lift
C) Quadcopter is a cool word
Fact Core The last point being the most important one.
Cameron Seitz obviously
Well, ehhm, if you don't see the cable running up to the "copter."
It can't fly.
It's called: "Flux,"...flux braking - reactance Chi X (Ohm's) + or inductance of z, impedance.
I want a antigravitationplatform without the copperplate, just flying over the ground like the uap's. ^^
No sound, no exhaust, no contrail or something.
4:30 japan already has electromagnetic trains
Seeing a weird amount of hate for the hyper loop concept down in the comments. Anyone care to explain why?
Lego Insomniac search for "thunderf00t hyperloop". He explains why it is an impossibility.
Its because Thunderf00t, who is not an engineer, doesn't understand the difference between the technologically challenging and the impossible. He made a video "debunking" the concept, which was really just him complaining about how difficult the project would be and how new the technology is.
I personally don't think it'll be implemented in the near future either, but the idiots comparing it to solar roadways clearly don't understand the difference between a dumb idea and a difficult to implement one.
since when does he support brexit ? his videos on the matter go specificly against brexit, send me a link of anything where thunderf00t says brexit was a good idea
Riiight, so some guy on the internet apparently has a better understanding of science and engineering that Elon Musk, and everyone just blindly believes the Internet guy. Great. What a good day for science.
No. It's not impossible.
It's not difficult to implement.
It's hilariously infeasible and extremely dangerous.
A single .50 caliber bullet hole in a rather thin wall of the several-hundred-kilometer tube will kill everyone in every car travelling down it.
The thermal expansion will need absolutely huge vacuum expansion joints every few kilometers.
And to reiterate - a slight depressurisation will grow larger, letting in more air, and killing everyone inside.
Then, to top it all off, there's a problem of cost. Maglev costs an order of magnitude less and it's still infeasible, though very fast and reliable.
what uses more energy, linear AC magnets or motors spinning permanent magnets?
In realistic systems spinning them will waste more energy, but in a super conductor space environment the opposite is true
I don't know why you're so impressed, it's well known that bumper cars are basically giant spinning magnets.
old video , but its educational. I love the world of science. Im also a Trekkie, so as spock would say; thats only logical. Derek you got my attention, because this way of learning is so much fun.
We already have a way to go from one city to another in less than a day. It's called an airplane, and it's not restricted to a track, tube, or anything like that.
Harmsy hyperloops could probably go from New York to London in a couple of hours or less.
...and the cost per passenger, energy efficiency, capacity, etc.?
I think he was making a joke. About the Atlantic Ocean. Surely.
Then again, gullible Americans and geography and science in general...
Harmsy we need to start learning how to stop using oil for everything
what if the hyperloop breaks? and also. jetengine - air.
Though my numbers may be off, that would impact anything within with the force of about 10 tons/m^2 moving at the speed of sound. You'd have better odds of survival being hit by a freight train head-on.
Astronut128 i already knew that. but i can see why someone wold take my comment litrualy... soooo.
That was disappointing. Unless we make copper roads, this isn't going to help making hoverboards x)
At superconducting temperatures, everything becomes magnetic. Just have to bring superconducting temperatures up, a lot.
+Lagrange Si
Thats not true at all, however you can use any conductor.
if i'm not mistaken you don't bring temps up you bring them down @ sub zero where some materials are natural superconductors but we gone have to figure out how to turn natural resistor like stone's into conductors No?
Actually it means all we have to do is make copper roads if we want hover boards
Nate Well what do you think happened when we needed roads for cars
The future is NOW! This morning, I traveled from one city to another in a SPLIT SECOND!
(Chesapeake, VA to Virginia Beach, VA)
What is the practical application of this though?
Anthony Paull
SCIENCE
Moving large objects across copper floors would be one.
Where do copper floors exist though? The problem is that coating the floor with copper is expensive and unsafe. The only applications I can think of for this are bumper cars and maybe some kind of forklift for a warehouse. But we have more conventional means that are way more energy efficient.
You mean besides the multiple examples listed in the video?
It's shown in the video, faster/safer/cheaper mode of transportation.
Sorry I was too busy watching the slomoguys video
lol u watch them too
Wow, 5:00 I must be living in the future, since I get from one city to another within a day regularly... cool.
Use an onboard electromagnet to lift the craft up & down, and an array of electromagnets around the crafts perimeter to change direction.
wonder if cats would sit on this like they do on Roomba's..?
105 pounds = 48 kg,
for like 99% of the rest of the world...
uh... he asked how much it weighs, not what its mass is. The correct answer is-- it weighs 467 N. Maybe learn your precious metric system better. You guys screw up mass and force more often than you get it right.
@@HollywoodF1 The units of mass and weight are generally used interchangeably anywhere on the earth's surface, as the discrepancy between the force of gravity at sea level and, for example, mt everest is negligable.
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@@HollywoodF1 kilograms is unit of weight too i mean r u intensionally doing his..unjust look stupid noone wighs things in newtons except physicist.i mean..even if u say 10kilo thats still correct
@@HollywoodF1
So when the question was for the weight, why is the answer in pounds? This is a mass unit too.
But has anyone tried up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right?
nintendo cheat?
The hum from the levitating aluminium plate was fn terrifying
I don't mean to be negative or anything, though it's really cool, it wouldn't have much applications in real life.
it would actually be usefull on a storage to carry heavy stuff
Elon Musk wants to:
-Know your location.
i like your name ultralagger ?cute this video is lagging something
He makes helium filled rockets. They are light and does not go to space. They go out of view and to the sea out of reach for normal people
Elon Musk puts 26.000 satellites in orbit around earth.
He already knows your location.
robb maier uhhh wtf?
I predicted this when I was 8 and didn't correctly understand magnetic fields
@@johnstef9307 having a bad day mate?
Yeah :)
I like how he just picks it up and guesses it's weight so accurately
Nah... Solar freakin roadway is the way to go
But they are blocking out the sun with chemtrails.
No! Self filling water bottle all the way!
oh yeah I can ride my bike with no handlebars.
hover board anyone?
While watching this I immediately thought of a UFO hovering above the landscape. This makes me wonder if coupled with other equipment and methods of science by some marriage of complex physics if this might be the basis of UFO propulsion technology. 😳 Simply amazing.