ULTIMATE GUIDE TO DEALING DAMAGE IN HYDRA | Raid: Shadow Legends

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  • We all know that building a team to counter all the challenges the Hydra boss gives you is one of the most difficult challenges in Raid. Once your supports are all selected often you might automatically pick popular champions or default roles to deal damage. Sometimes this is not always your best choice. In this video, you will learn everything about dealing damage Hydra and the best types of damage to select for the difficulty you are facing.
    ULTIMATE GUIDE TO DEALING DAMAGE IN HYDRA | Raid: Shadow Legends
    Timeline
    00:00 - Introduction
    02:37 - Types of Damage
    11:48 - Comparing Damage on Difficulties
    23:35 - Selecting the Right Damage
    28:08 - My Current Teams
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Комментарии • 123

  • @Happytremereinc
    @Happytremereinc 9 месяцев назад +10

    Great video. Makes me want to reevaluate my teams as I'm only doing normal + hard. Love these longer form deep dives.

  • @metalmaestro2590
    @metalmaestro2590 9 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome vid Saph. This, imho, is where you shine as a content creator. The ability to dive into how the game works mathematically, and then convey the information in a practical fashion is fantastic. I'm going to try changing up some of my teams and see if I can't do better based on this video, and hopefully I can improve my lower tiers in particular by going more direct damage. Thanks for the tips!

  • @thatginger8127
    @thatginger8127 9 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome video thanks for the info saph, always an exceptional level of detail.

  • @badroosterstudios177
    @badroosterstudios177 9 месяцев назад

    Awesome video!! I learned a lot!! Thank you, Saph, for taking the time to make this for us!!! A++++

  • @warriorclasskravmagasamiin2634
    @warriorclasskravmagasamiin2634 9 месяцев назад

    I really value this video. Im going to watch it again and take notes. You highlighted a lot of whats been going wrong with my runs that i was unaware of

  • @thekrahna
    @thekrahna 9 месяцев назад +5

    Great video Saph. It might deserve a continuation - in how you finally shot the composition of the teams and their gearing. Which ones are best to use cursed set... It is also possible to do some groups of champions in detail with a comparison of best of /top ten best direct damage single target for hydra and their gearing, top ten max hp - ok this is probably easy :D, top ten burners, provokers, hex/

  • @Mollywobbles08
    @Mollywobbles08 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! Thank you so much for you time and thoughts. I didn't mind the length although I did take a coffee break. I was definitely doing some thing wrong. In particular, I thought I always needed a burn champ. I will be making some changes. Thank you again.

  • @charlydarwin3611
    @charlydarwin3611 9 месяцев назад

    Fantastic video -Thanks man great work!

  • @matthewwhitsey3769
    @matthewwhitsey3769 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks man! Love these breakdown videos!

  • @michaeledes1111
    @michaeledes1111 9 месяцев назад

    Love this video, I've been underestimating Hex for sure!! Can't wait to try out some learnings from this one. Keep up the great work sir.

  • @ThomasCurlZilla
    @ThomasCurlZilla 9 месяцев назад

    Awesome video, thanks saph! 😀

  • @rickkiewiet1321
    @rickkiewiet1321 9 месяцев назад

    Great vid Saph, keep it coming

  • @martinprovo2389
    @martinprovo2389 8 месяцев назад

    I really enjoyed this. As someone that hasn't fully deep dived into all of the mechanics but has a really rough knowledge of the game, this was spectacular.
    I didn't just have it as a background play, I was thoroughly engaged and engrossed with the content. Definitely helped me understand what strategies I need to build to, how to catalogue my champioms and what to use.
    I would definitely enjoy more tutorials of this nature, digging into how to maximize your efforts in various activities that have more than meets the eye, even something going over the process of how fast dungeon runs are accomplished as that's something that boggles my mind still.

  • @hansvonmannschaft9062
    @hansvonmannschaft9062 9 месяцев назад

    Yes Saph, of course, keep 'em coming, great vid with quite a few ideas Imma put in motion, thank you brodah!😀👍🏼

  • @M.to.the.L
    @M.to.the.L 9 месяцев назад +1

    This was extremely helpful! I've always struggled with damage on Hydra.

  • @Ualaa
    @Ualaa 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the deep dive. I love your information and analysis vidoes.

  • @Iande10
    @Iande10 9 месяцев назад

    This was brilliant. Helps a lot with types of champions to use when I’m just starting hydra

  • @knightfletcher8871
    @knightfletcher8871 9 месяцев назад

    This is a fantastic video. Even though it was long, I wanted to watch all the way to the end. You didn't waffle, what you spoke about was relevant. Thank you for this, really appreciate it.

  • @ajbertra91
    @ajbertra91 9 месяцев назад

    Brilliant. I really appreciate this info.

  • @joelvelez5166
    @joelvelez5166 9 месяцев назад

    Great guide, thanks!

  • @shane_d_au
    @shane_d_au 9 месяцев назад

    Fantastic breakdown, very helpful.

  • @phamvuanh
    @phamvuanh 9 месяцев назад

    fantastic video. Really very well explained. thank you

  • @zampagurin1568
    @zampagurin1568 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for video, I learn a lot about damage inflicting to Hydra. Keep going, you are doing well.

  • @problembaer666
    @problembaer666 9 месяцев назад

    Great summary!

  • @MrAndy71717
    @MrAndy71717 9 месяцев назад

    This was great. Your deep dives are what you excel at.

  • @mikeb2058
    @mikeb2058 9 месяцев назад

    outstanding video saph!

  • @stevesanders4682
    @stevesanders4682 9 месяцев назад

    Awesome content Saph. What I would like to see (regardless of length of video) is an ultimate dream team comp for every difficulty based on what you just said here. Almost like a challenge, you can use any champ, but only once. That way its not just 3 Acrzias and 3 Gnuts.

  • @michadraogo7399
    @michadraogo7399 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great one there ! We could also use a tutorial to build our teams and synergies/roles we need. Thank you

  • @Saltheart_Foamfollower
    @Saltheart_Foamfollower 9 месяцев назад

    Holy cow I needed this!

    • @Saltheart_Foamfollower
      @Saltheart_Foamfollower 9 месяцев назад

      And I am going to have to rewatch several times, it's a whole lot to take in for my right-leaning brain.

  • @deezydeuce
    @deezydeuce 9 месяцев назад

    Always love the deep dives from SAph'!

  • @Kullgan_3001
    @Kullgan_3001 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this video, it was just what I needed. After watching this I’ve gone from struggling to get the normal novice chest with 2/3 keys to doing 8.76m with 1 key. Just need to find a guild that is doing higher levels now.

  • @ranshkumar2639
    @ranshkumar2639 9 месяцев назад

    It was a long video but tbh didn't realised that this one was this big, very informative and came to know lot of things to improve my damage.
    If possible please make a video on those trunda doing high damage and how those tetup works or what the different factors

  • @joswinpais1240
    @joswinpais1240 9 месяцев назад

    6:49 great work with this spreadsheet

  • @alexandersibilio7436
    @alexandersibilio7436 9 месяцев назад +1

    Very good !! Now we need the Ultimate guide how to defend 😅

  • @zoptar
    @zoptar 9 месяцев назад

    Love this deep mechanical math dive! But dude! i love your terminology! "If we look at these difficult difficultys" xD 18:55

  • @Matthews_Dintwe
    @Matthews_Dintwe 9 месяцев назад

    I'll be looking at this in detail, currently one key hard and I'd like to move to brutal now

  • @godizord
    @godizord 8 месяцев назад

    For me, I prefer longer videos like this one, gives you time to explain with detail. Great vid btw.

  • @emh7545
    @emh7545 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you very much for the video. Very helpful. Any chance you could share your stats for those teams you shared? As always Thank You!

  • @cbroo69
    @cbroo69 9 месяцев назад +3

    It baftles me that you arent a Plarium employee sometimes. You on their PR team giving guides to us all would be one of their smartest moves

  • @bilindshushe2586
    @bilindshushe2586 9 месяцев назад

    Amazing and helpful Vidoe, I just have a question. Do the heads get less max Hp after being decapitated. I have seen my Gnut doing considerably less Damage with his a3 on decapitated heads.

  • @stewartsanborn181
    @stewartsanborn181 9 месяцев назад

    I'm curious if the table works on all rotations or if there are deferent recommendations

  • @iiTzSlyFlow
    @iiTzSlyFlow 3 месяца назад

    for progressing from ahrd to brutal how do you build your champs or suggest, as i can pretty much 1 key hard all times rotation 6 can be trickier but usually fine but for brutal as you say i really really struggle keeping them alive so ny tips on how to build champs or ways to help with this, thanks :)

  • @kyle-andrewgovinder9902
    @kyle-andrewgovinder9902 6 месяцев назад

    Does Gnuts Hex splash from his A3 actually get multiplied by the 3x?

  • @Gilgamesh_king_of_heroes
    @Gilgamesh_king_of_heroes 9 месяцев назад

    Great video..... I feel hyped to finally build a team
    My ragtag team has a max of 1.5 million on hydra normal😂😂

  • @user-bd2wr4iu7f
    @user-bd2wr4iu7f 9 месяцев назад

    love it

  • @coolbreezez
    @coolbreezez 9 месяцев назад

    Ty Saph :)

  • @DimLed1980-vt2mm
    @DimLed1980-vt2mm 9 месяцев назад

    Wow, I had no idea HP burn wasn't a priority on Brutal+

  • @OfMiceAndRice
    @OfMiceAndRice 9 месяцев назад

    I haven’t worked on my hydra teams at all, mostly just getting chests in hard/ normal, even if it’s not the top chest. When u say single target dmg dealers, can you throw out a couple of examples of dmg dealers that aren’t enemy max hp? Would Ronda work in this spot?

  • @Hitmanpr08
    @Hitmanpr08 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the video. Do you recommend to play Hydra in Manual or Auto depending the level (normal, hard, etc.)?

  • @a.k5525
    @a.k5525 9 месяцев назад

    best vid ever

  • @allabouttheguitar1555
    @allabouttheguitar1555 9 месяцев назад

    Poison explosion is an option on the heads that take poisons. It's capped like a max hp hit unlike poison activations so you can build tankier. I think when I tested it two poisons for 2 turns does the max damage for Elenaril. Not that I've worked out a team that is useful for her given its only half the heads

  • @TheLarryGonzalez
    @TheLarryGonzalez 9 месяцев назад

    Great information. I have not completed normal. Could you guys do some content on beating Hydra on normal?

  • @liamskelly7825
    @liamskelly7825 9 месяцев назад

    Very very interested... I've been using gnut on normal in reflex with his a2 shut off. Maybe he should be in my hard team instead

  • @danielpounder8905
    @danielpounder8905 9 месяцев назад

    great video as always saph my only criticism would be that you did not mention geomancer and how he differs to usual burners as his damage is on damage taken if its aoe heads for brutal and lower most likely still using max hp for nm as it will outperform easily.

    • @HHGamingNetwork
      @HHGamingNetwork  9 месяцев назад +3

      Yeah passive based damage is something that probably warrants its own deep dive.

  • @bch54009
    @bch54009 9 месяцев назад

    I’m putting this video straight into our clan discord

  • @Draven316
    @Draven316 9 месяцев назад

    Do you ever plan on sharing (via links) your incredibly useful spreadsheets?
    Or are you keeping them confidential?

    • @HHGamingNetwork
      @HHGamingNetwork  9 месяцев назад

      If they are release ready I tend to share - if they are messy (or difficult to use) I tend to keep them private

  • @silviuskirsch1
    @silviuskirsch1 9 месяцев назад

    Harima is a great dmg dealer for normal and hard. She scales very well with her passive is super tanky and has a backup provoke and attack down and a cruel on her a2 aswell. My harima does about 60m dmg on hard.

  • @pathways4996
    @pathways4996 9 дней назад

    Is there a list of top 5 damage dealers, per difficulty level?

  • @MrAndy71717
    @MrAndy71717 9 месяцев назад

    So taking this videos advice, subbing out Royal Guard for Gala Long Braids doubled my damage on Normal hydra…..Cheers

  • @christopherwinsor2069
    @christopherwinsor2069 9 месяцев назад

    Yes to all just more saph content please 👍

  • @Nexard237
    @Nexard237 9 месяцев назад

    you forget that burn is a mechanic used to reach 1500turns it makes it easier so is hex for mischief control.

  • @jansan7004
    @jansan7004 9 месяцев назад +5

    I use Mashalled + Shamael as main dmg + hex from Mitrala , 20% from GH def red.+ Mashaled in lethal and they just shred heads on Brutal. 640M PB, with 500-600M full auto F2P you just need bit of luck, put your head in to it and have patience buying ascension 😅

    • @SSuser-go7jm
      @SSuser-go7jm 9 месяцев назад

      Funny how that is the third best team in the world for brutal. Those numbers just seem very high if you ask me.

    • @jansan7004
      @jansan7004 9 месяцев назад

      @@SSuser-go7jm here is some older run without all the upgrades on previous rotarion. Believe or not it's a fact. Pb 650m full auto
      ruclips.net/video/kImED_SoyZU/видео.htmlsi=W4EzCjSBU_42MJ1Y

  • @priestguardian2587
    @priestguardian2587 9 месяцев назад

    wow TY for showing me this game RAID ...So much better than DragonHeir!

  • @Karhedron
    @Karhedron 9 месяцев назад

    As someone that's only just started being able to field hydra teams, this is very helpful...
    The only bit that lost me was how to get a champion that does 200k+ direct damage?! Is that just a gear issue and something I need to build towards?

    • @HHGamingNetwork
      @HHGamingNetwork  9 месяцев назад

      Combination of strong gear, right debuffs and good single target damage dealers. Pick a good champ with high multipliers that ideally scale (like varl increases his atk) or has some ability to get their skills rotating with extra turns (like Turvold)

  • @dylank.4498
    @dylank.4498 9 месяцев назад

    Been playing for a long while and have yet to really figure Hydra out. This idea that I’m supposed to use big equations to get my speeds right, that I’m supposed to have champions doing specific things is just stupid to me. I should be able to level champions, gear them in decent gear and go do what I need to do. I shouldn’t have to make it feel like rocket science in a video game.

  • @stevewilliams101
    @stevewilliams101 9 месяцев назад

    Wats suspicious for me is the percentages of legendary champs i have vs the lego souls i summon...ie i seem to summon souls 4 legos i dont have which seems percentagely wack ...top heavy on the legos i dont have .ive been playing for over 4 years

  • @Auxik
    @Auxik 9 месяцев назад

    I am an end game player.. I've got almost all the meta champs and some great gear.. I can 1 key normal, hard and brutal but Hydra is easily my worst area in the game. I really need to improve my Hydra teams.

  • @thefirstKenpachi
    @thefirstKenpachi 9 месяцев назад

    Bombs are also a great source of damage.

  • @chriswaddle7450
    @chriswaddle7450 9 месяцев назад

    The biggest problem is the ai doesn't target the swallowing head

  • @fingertodd
    @fingertodd 22 дня назад

    How did Trunda get from 180m to 18billions?

  • @sjaakbakker9944
    @sjaakbakker9944 9 месяцев назад

    I just utilise my acrizia, burn and hex plus direct damage.

  • @vincentproud6589
    @vincentproud6589 9 месяцев назад

    90 days in, I can't even get close to the 1.6 million. :)

  • @darky2878
    @darky2878 9 месяцев назад

    As Burn ticks 2 times, i still vote for doubling burn damage to have a fair comparison.

    • @srijansharma6542
      @srijansharma6542 9 месяцев назад

      We would only double burn if we could stack a second burn in the second turn. We can direct damage every turn and 2 ticks burn would happen 2 turns.

    • @dar_ky
      @dar_ky 9 месяцев назад

      @@srijansharma6542 but without acrizia who can Deal %HP dmg for Two turns? Also direct dmg is mostly having a CD. Similar with burns but the hard Hit at least two turns in a row.

  • @josipjoseph5036
    @josipjoseph5036 9 месяцев назад

    Will you be doing tutorial on how to build Cadaver team?🤣

  • @28thMaoriBattalion
    @28thMaoriBattalion 3 месяца назад

    what about bombs????

  • @romellejacinto251
    @romellejacinto251 9 месяцев назад

    I love raid

  • @miggo8203
    @miggo8203 7 месяцев назад

    I think you kind the hp burn under the bus. You only calculated hp burn taking 1 turn per each head., but hp burns go on for 2 turn.
    But if you think about it enemy max hp usally have 4 turn cooldowns. for the rest of the 3 turns that enemy max hp champ really isnt doing anything.
    If your able to extend burns to keep them up the entire 4 turns.
    For brutal. the values should be
    320K (80k for 4 turns) or 400K(100k for 4 turns)
    compared to enemy max hp which is
    300k and 180K on brutal.
    So if your able to keep hp burns for the entire 4 turns that the enemy max hp takes to rotate thru his enemy max hp hit, then hp burns > enemy max hp.
    Now im not saying hp burn is actually better than burns because enemy max hp vs a decap head is way better plus theres also additional hex damage.
    So yea enemy max hp is really good iin brutal/Nightmare.
    But you cant say that hp burn is a 2 out of 4.
    As long as you can keep hp burn up all the time. HP Burn is basically an enemy max hp nuke without any decap or hex bonuses. which is really good in its own regard.
    Not only that but you get alot of the extra support from hp burn champs, like dec def + weaken from siphi or dec atk + tanky champ from artak.
    And if your popping the burns thats even more damage. especially if you can keep the buffs up regardless of popping them.
    Also, hp burn is really good if your not able to outspeed the hydra heads.
    Bringing enemy max hp when champions are actually being outsped by hydra heads, your better of bringing hp burns.
    the burns will do consistent damage for all the turns that the hydra heads are taking. where as your enemy max hp is taking even longer to do his enemy max hp skill, and will probably be harder to keep alive if your constantly being hit by the hydra heads without taking enough turns.
    if you have no inc speed or dec speed or turn meter buffs i suggest hp burn over enemy max hp because hydra head will most likley be outspeeding you .
    if your able to go 2:1 per a specifc hydra head then enemy max hp is much better. but hp burns are still viable. vary viable.
    Just wanted to give my opinion. if im wrong please correct me, i would actually appreciate it.
    I used to be heavy focused on hp burn on hydra and i would be over 100m on nightmare and brutal. but now ive switched to enemy max hp because of gnut and using husk to provke.
    but my 2nd team is still hp burn focused and im one of the top hitters in my clan. hitting for over 100m on any difficulty every week

  • @ivaanangulo9416
    @ivaanangulo9416 9 месяцев назад +21

    just use 2 acrizias, problem solved

    • @gkar9757
      @gkar9757 9 месяцев назад

      😂😂😂
      I use 2 Gnuts

    • @YasserAleed
      @YasserAleed 9 месяцев назад

      This honestly!

    • @JesseT951
      @JesseT951 9 месяцев назад

      Some of us ain't that lucky bruh

    • @FlashKillerX
      @FlashKillerX 9 месяцев назад

      Imagine having even a single acrizia

    • @DevinHarney
      @DevinHarney 9 месяцев назад

      @@JesseT951they’re making a joke

  • @TheUnHeardNews
    @TheUnHeardNews 5 месяцев назад

    6.66 million to get my first crate drop? I'm only hitting 200k. Guess it's going to be a while.

  • @lougait4362
    @lougait4362 9 месяцев назад

    But if you explain how those teams are bugged Plarium will fix them. Just like Mighty Uoko fix

  • @mikaelaberg7283
    @mikaelaberg7283 9 месяцев назад +1

    Just pew pew. No math needed.

  • @tr1n1t17
    @tr1n1t17 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hi Saph. This video deserved too be a long one : complex topic / "crucial" content
    But sometimes some of your videos are too long imo and could be more synthetic : e.g. Path events ... we dont need all that spreadsheet analysis

  • @collincutler4992
    @collincutler4992 9 месяцев назад

    I hate Hydra...but Ive resigned to the fact that I need to build a damn team...

  • @Dread_Freak
    @Dread_Freak 9 месяцев назад

    who is ganew? or do you mean GNUT!

  • @playnwitu
    @playnwitu 9 месяцев назад

    GahNoot 😭

  • @Edgunsuk
    @Edgunsuk 9 месяцев назад

    Why are bombs not on that list ? my gnishak is almost my best damage no mention of bombs in this video at all ??????

    • @HHGamingNetwork
      @HHGamingNetwork  9 месяцев назад

      Poisons = he overfills the provoke head = leads to catastrophe
      MAYBE Gun blade is good = rest just dont deal enough damage on bombs
      plus atk based champs = squishy = leads to death

    • @Edgunsuk
      @Edgunsuk 9 месяцев назад

      i cant fault your logic saff just dropped my gnishack and HP burners from ( my second team !!!!!)) hit 108m my previous best was 84m on normal. Thank you @@HHGamingNetwork

  • @lazztheman
    @lazztheman 9 месяцев назад

    WHAT?

  • @Happytremereinc
    @Happytremereinc 9 месяцев назад

    While I do not have the Cadeaver or Trunda. I would love a video with a quick explanation on how each works and why they get so much dmg.

    • @KozyKoti
      @KozyKoti 9 месяцев назад

      Cadevar's attack increases relative to his shield, n trunda's aoe thing has some sort of bug

    • @HHGamingNetwork
      @HHGamingNetwork  9 месяцев назад +1

      Maybe tomorrow's video!

  • @bytemevv-4616
    @bytemevv-4616 9 месяцев назад

    _I can't wait to get a dupe of Valkanen..._
    _He's good paired with Sun Wukong,_
    _...Imagine never getting consumed by Hydra !_

  • @pestyoverlord
    @pestyoverlord 9 месяцев назад

    The trunda a2 is the thing thats broken when you need multiple resets to get the insane numbers? Uhh, okay 😂

    • @HHGamingNetwork
      @HHGamingNetwork  9 месяцев назад +1

      Not saying it was easy - just that its a unique edge case way to deal damage

  • @alexavery8182
    @alexavery8182 9 месяцев назад +1

    Everytime I hear Gnut, I just click off

    • @FlashKillerX
      @FlashKillerX 9 месяцев назад

      I’m the same way with Brogni. My biggest regret in raid of all time is not doing his fusion

    • @alexavery8182
      @alexavery8182 9 месяцев назад

      @@FlashKillerX Nothing to do with the champ itself, its his insistence on saying Guh-newt.

    • @HHGamingNetwork
      @HHGamingNetwork  9 месяцев назад +2

      I'm Welsh - our language is structured to speak how it reads :P

    • @alexavery8182
      @alexavery8182 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@HHGamingNetwork Unless you say "guh-nome" and "guh-naw" I dont accept this

  • @anonamatron
    @anonamatron 5 месяцев назад

    This is so long I just can't pay attention.
    How about just a video where you say "yeah you want hex for sure, and drop defense, and bring a provoker because..." Like just list a few important things. THEN you can go into such great detail. I'm sure your information is all great but man it's hard to get through.

  • @zherkanogkhamsin2301
    @zherkanogkhamsin2301 9 месяцев назад

    Too much of a rocket science for the average player... too many skills from the Hydra to deal with... as the poison cloud that make even 450 ACC useless... as the head you literally have to provoke EVERY SINGLE turn, not just every 3rd turn, for this shit head cleanses all debuffs... and the stats... sorry to say, even with a fully maxed Great Hall I struggle even on Normal, let alone Hard 🤢 it´s simply too difficult for normal working people who have not the time to sit there 15 hours per day!
    And when it becomes too difficult to understand it spoils all gaming, it makes one lose all pleasure!

  • @jovanvucetic6953
    @jovanvucetic6953 9 месяцев назад

    BUT HAVE NOT SHAMAEL SO WHAT THEN???