Great videos, very in depth 👏 but I think your first video explained the lineman just fine. Not sure why so many are confused. I set mine up just like yours and works great. Thanks again
The Ropeman 2 should ONLY be used with a way smaller diameter rope (one that won't fit in a Ropeman 1) and one with a bad ass sheath like the PMI Extreme Pro rope.
Got the ropeman 1 !! I saved the search on eBay and they notified me when one was available. It actually came from backcountry through eBay. It's so light and works so nice. I thought the prusik would be good enough. Well, after a few climbs and needing a third arm to adjust my prusik the ropeman came up on eBay and I couldn't click the "buy now" fast enough. Btw, I'm using 8mm for my rope and this still works well. I have the 11mm pmi that you recommended but I already had the 8mm set up so I tried it with the ropeman. Thanks again !
It is not a linesmen belt ! it is called a positioning lanyard .Also anytime you are climbing, you should always use double or triple auto locking carabiners .
Love the podcast I can't rave enough on the top notch quality of information you give. Keep up the good work and where do I send my money, because I want first dibs on you video you are making about your field scouting and whatnot
okay here's my contribution. Rit dyeMore synthetic chocolate brown . I found it at Michaels hobby shop.It turned that white PMI rope into a snake like camo .
I can't find the ropeman 1 anymore. And now it seems they have a mk1 as the new replacement but I can't find it in the u.s. anywhere. I searched google, eBay, and Amazon. The mk2 is out there but it has the finer teeth like the ropeman 2.
Rich Fleeson the mk1 is the original rope man. it's always out of stock this time of year for some reason. I have run into the same thing almost every year. I am also in need on one for a friend and can't find one. usually back county.com gets them back in stock pretty quick. call them and ask when they are expecting them. but this is normal every year it seems.
I would not personally for 2 reasons. 1 you should not disconnect the line and belt until you have already connected the safety line. 2 for a line that is going to have as much slack as your safety line I'd rather have dynamic rope and a simple prussic knot. The dynamic rope acts almost like a bungie cord and lessens the shock.
@@Michigandrivenoutdoors happens every fall. Every where runs out of stock. Amazon will restock pretty quickly. These things are designed for rock climbers and probably sell a couple thousand a year. The fall hits and 10 thousand bow hunters try to order them...lol.
How did you go about dying the rope? I saw videos that say to heat the water, put the rope in a washer then a dryer. Quite a lot just to dye rope. I would think you put it in the dye, let it soak awhile and done.
do you leave the ascender on year round ? with the 11mm rope and carbineer the spring is almost maxed out ....but its such high quality its nothing to worry about ? anyway thanks for this idea set up .I know I'm going to love it.
Dale Arnsdorff yes I leave the asender on the rope and carbiner all year. doesn't hurt anything. had one I left like that for 6 years and only replaced it as it was lost in a truck fire. otherwise I'd still be using that original and it would be 12 years old now...bet it would still be working perfectly
You're 100% wrong about the knot "Not going anywhere". You need a real stopper knot like a fishermans and a better knot on your working end like a fugure of 8. Seriously, knots behave differently under working load amd shock load. It's no more work to di it right amd learning new knots is cool.
its not a loadable knot at that end. the ascender does all the work and takes all the shock. the only reason that stopper knot is there is so that I dont let out too much slack when im adjusting my lenght on the linemans belt. for that it works perfect and is nice and compact. but just for the record i did test it by putting the rope thru a steel tiedown cleat and hanging from it bounching up and down. it never budged. im very happy with how i have it. the other knots are big and bulky and not needed at that end. That end is not a "working end" the ascender is the working end. the knot is on the tag end that has no purpose except to allow slack in or out.
Agreed. Even if one may consider it a nonloading knot, it can get to a loaded knot if for example rope slips a bit due to shock loading. I'd not feel safe with a simple overhand knot.
Do you know if the hunter safety lifeline rope will work with this ascender? I’m unsure of the size of the rope, I called hunter safety and they didn’t know/didn’t want to tell me the size.
The ropeman 1 is for 10-13mm rope and the ropeman 2 is for 8-11mm rope. Dont know what size the lifeline is. But honestly for a life line that you are just sliding up and down as you go to a preset stand I would just use the Prussia knot on the life line. The ascender value comes in with a linemans belt used to hang stands.
+pNoid2k1 When I brought the Rit dye I followed directions on the bottle. I used hot water and soaked past the recommended time (in a bucket). The dye doesn't really take as well as I wanted but it does knock down the bright white original color. I tried dyeing twice but no real improvement in darkening the rope. I certainly wouldn't let that influence the decision to not go through the steps to dye it. Good luck.
+pNoid2k1 Joseph said it perfect. just follow directions on the bottle. the rope is so tight it wont turn it a dark brown but will make it a nice earthy color. (i used dark brown dye).
Because the rope I bought was White in color and I wanted to tone it down a bit. If you buy colored rope you are all good and no need to dye it. I bought my my rope as a 200 foot bulk piece as I knew I would be making these for friends as well. so the dye solved my problem of a bright white rope.
@@1alexcody Amazon has always been very hunter friendly as they don't actually sell much. Amazon is a network of 3red party sellers that put their stuff in Amazon's digital store. So they don't have much day in anything or give anyone a hard time. They are basically just an online building that handles storage and shipping. Love Amazon
I don't have any extras anymore as my kids are now using them too. I also was looking to buy a few more and didn't find any. but back country.com gets them back in stock pretty quick. seems like they all sell out this time of year. I would not get the mk2. if you need one to work until the mk1 is back the pretzel slide ascender with no moving parts is great. I have a buddy that is using that one and really likes it.
tbwpodcast just a heads up, I order 2 ropeman 1 from treestuff.com. They are out of stock right now, but are getting them in really soon. Glad I found your channel btw, tons of great info. Thanks!
I would like to buy that set up from you if you ever sell it with the 8' rope with the black carabiners just shoot me an email if you would make one up for me.
I did exactly what you explain … works perfectly…. Thank you
Glad you like it. Is fast simple and will keep you safe as well as make life eaiser
Great videos, very in depth 👏 but I think your first video explained the lineman just fine. Not sure why so many are confused. I set mine up just like yours and works great. Thanks again
Glad you are liking it. Love how fast and easy it makes hanging a stand while keeping us safe.
The Ropeman 2 should ONLY be used with a way smaller diameter rope (one that won't fit in a Ropeman 1) and one with a bad ass sheath like the PMI Extreme Pro rope.
Yep. I'm not a fan of the rope man 2. The original ropeman 1 is the way to go
Got the ropeman 1 !! I saved the search on eBay and they notified me when one was available. It actually came from backcountry through eBay. It's so light and works so nice. I thought the prusik would be good enough. Well, after a few climbs and needing a third arm to adjust my prusik the ropeman came up on eBay and I couldn't click the "buy now" fast enough. Btw, I'm using 8mm for my rope and this still works well. I have the 11mm pmi that you recommended but I already had the 8mm set up so I tried it with the ropeman. Thanks again !
Thanks for sharing sir, I appreciate you taking the time to make this video for us. I plan to make it, I am with you on the explanation.
Dale
It is not a linesmen belt ! it is called a positioning lanyard .Also anytime you are climbing, you should always use double or triple auto locking carabiners .
Thanks
Love the podcast I can't rave enough on the top notch quality of information you give. Keep up the good work and where do I send my money, because I want first dibs on you video you are making about your field scouting and whatnot
Boon Flop Thanks! the scouting video is going great and will probably be 4-5 hours long...lol i will have it done this winter and ready this winter.
Thanks for sharing. Very well done. Just ordered the MK 1F Ascender.
Always use a two stage locking or screw gate, always!
Totally agreed! There are fast autolockers and snap style carabiners. I'd never trust a nonlocker.
@@hoggif lll
okay here's my contribution. Rit dyeMore synthetic chocolate brown . I found it at Michaels hobby shop.It turned that white PMI
rope into a snake like camo .
I can't find the ropeman 1 anymore. And now it seems they have a mk1 as the new replacement but I can't find it in the u.s. anywhere. I searched google, eBay, and Amazon. The mk2 is out there but it has the finer teeth like the ropeman 2.
Rich Fleeson the mk1 is the original rope man. it's always out of stock this time of year for some reason. I have run into the same thing almost every year. I am also in need on one for a friend and can't find one. usually back county.com gets them back in stock pretty quick. call them and ask when they are expecting them. but this is normal every year it seems.
tbwpodcast , thanks. I'll keep looking and try calling. Looks like for this year it's a prusik.
Those ascenders are like $50 now. Funny how demand jacks the price up...
Yep and in the summer they will be 30 bucks again..lol
Is there away I can use this with my safety harness once I'm in my stand so I don't need two different ones
I would not personally for 2 reasons. 1 you should not disconnect the line and belt until you have already connected the safety line. 2 for a line that is going to have as much slack as your safety line I'd rather have dynamic rope and a simple prussic knot. The dynamic rope acts almost like a bungie cord and lessens the shock.
@@SamkoTradBow I've been looking for this stuff been not having much luck
@@Michigandrivenoutdoors happens every fall. Every where runs out of stock. Amazon will restock pretty quickly. These things are designed for rock climbers and probably sell a couple thousand a year. The fall hits and 10 thousand bow hunters try to order them...lol.
How did you go about dying the rope? I saw videos that say to heat the water, put the rope in a washer then a dryer. Quite a lot just to dye rope. I would think you put it in the dye, let it soak awhile and done.
carolinagreenhead I do the same as you think. I put die in a bowl of hot tap water. Insert rope, let soak for 30 mins then rinse and done.
tbwpodcast Thank you
awesome thanks, and u did say u got that at REI
do you leave the ascender on year round ? with the 11mm rope and carbineer the spring is almost maxed out ....but its such high quality its nothing to worry about ?
anyway thanks for this idea set up .I know I'm going to love it.
Dale Arnsdorff yes I leave the asender on the rope and carbiner all year. doesn't hurt anything. had one I left like that for 6 years and only replaced it as it was lost in a truck fire. otherwise I'd still be using that original and it would be 12 years old now...bet it would still be working perfectly
You're 100% wrong about the knot "Not going anywhere". You need a real stopper knot like a fishermans and a better knot on your working end like a fugure of 8. Seriously, knots behave differently under working load amd shock load. It's no more work to di it right amd learning new knots is cool.
its not a loadable knot at that end. the ascender does all the work and takes all the shock. the only reason that stopper knot is there is so that I dont let out too much slack when im adjusting my lenght on the linemans belt. for that it works perfect and is nice and compact. but just for the record i did test it by putting the rope thru a steel tiedown cleat and hanging from it bounching up and down. it never budged. im very happy with how i have it. the other knots are big and bulky and not needed at that end. That end is not a "working end" the ascender is the working end. the knot is on the tag end that has no purpose except to allow slack in or out.
Agreed. Even if one may consider it a nonloading knot, it can get to a loaded knot if for example rope slips a bit due to shock loading. I'd not feel safe with a simple overhand knot.
I didn't see the 7mm rope at REI where did you buy that? Thanks, good video
Jeff Morrow rei. 7mm accessory cord
Jeff Morrow rei. 7mm accessory cord
tbwpodcast how many feet of the accessory cord do I need to purchase for the prussic knot?
Do you know if the hunter safety lifeline rope will work with this ascender? I’m unsure of the size of the rope, I called hunter safety and they didn’t know/didn’t want to tell me the size.
The ropeman 1 is for 10-13mm rope and the ropeman 2 is for 8-11mm rope. Dont know what size the lifeline is. But honestly for a life line that you are just sliding up and down as you go to a preset stand I would just use the Prussia knot on the life line. The ascender value comes in with a linemans belt used to hang stands.
How exactly do you dye your rope? Do you just leave it warm water, or do you dye it in boiling water with dye?
+pNoid2k1 When I brought the Rit dye I followed directions on the bottle. I used hot water and soaked past the recommended time (in a bucket). The dye doesn't really take as well as I wanted but it does knock down the bright white original color. I tried dyeing twice but no real improvement in darkening the rope. I certainly wouldn't let that influence the decision to not go through the steps to dye it. Good luck.
+pNoid2k1 Joseph said it perfect. just follow directions on the bottle. the rope is so tight it wont turn it a dark brown but will make it a nice earthy color. (i used dark brown dye).
5:25 Why did you dye the rope?
Because the rope I bought was White in color and I wanted to tone it down a bit. If you buy colored rope you are all good and no need to dye it. I bought my my rope as a 200 foot bulk piece as I knew I would be making these for friends as well. so the dye solved my problem of a bright white rope.
@@SamkoTradBow So it's just for looks? Okay.
@@TheLoobis correct. And actually the white dulls down pretty quick just by natural use so if you dont dye it no big deal.
can u tell me the exact model of the black carabineers ur using plz
petzl attache locking carabiner is what the black one is.
I realize this is an old video but REI is not a friend of our pursuits and we are not welcome in their stores as per the CEO
Yep great point and a shame rei is like that now. In my newer videos I link other places to buy and avoid rei for these reasons.
@@SamkoTradBow I don't know the politics of Amazon but as long as they keep their mouth shut Ill shop there
@@1alexcody Amazon has always been very hunter friendly as they don't actually sell much. Amazon is a network of 3red party sellers that put their stuff in Amazon's digital store. So they don't have much day in anything or give anyone a hard time. They are basically just an online building that handles storage and shipping. Love Amazon
@@SamkoTradBow thanks good to know...
Hey man I'm looking for those ascenders and nobody has them. Do you have any extra to sell? Or how do you feel about the mkf2?
I don't have any extras anymore as my kids are now using them too. I also was looking to buy a few more and didn't find any. but back country.com gets them back in stock pretty quick. seems like they all sell out this time of year. I would not get the mk2. if you need one to work until the mk1 is back the pretzel slide ascender with no moving parts is great. I have a buddy that is using that one and really likes it.
tbwpodcast can you insert a link to that petzl? I see a whole bunch of them, but not one that says slide ascender. I really appreciate it!!
www.mountaingear.com/webstore//Gear/Climbing/Tibloc-Ascender/_/R-103128P.htm?voucherCode=979100&id=103128&gclid=CjwKEAjw-Oy_BRDg4Iqok57a4kcSJADsuDK1lN9_zE-snr9iDRR1BJxNMz10yeZar3NKD9rwMAQ4rBoCekvw_wcB&ad=55686759375
tbwpodcast just a heads up, I order 2 ropeman 1 from treestuff.com. They are out of stock right now, but are getting them in really soon.
Glad I found your channel btw, tons of great info. Thanks!
that is junk fucking rope it's almost as stiff as steel cable
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I would like to buy that set up from you if you ever sell it with the 8' rope with the black carabiners just shoot me an email if you would make one up for me.
+perkins569 sorry cant do that due to liability. I also just dont have the time. but as you can see they are easy to make and I list all the parts.