Now that the marketing team has embraced the movie's cult status, they should use this quote from Ebert's review in any future campaigns. Forget "Two Thumbs Up". The future is "...Some Sort of Vague Pubic Nudity..."
10:08 Notice how deliberate and meticulous Morgan Freeman's movements and speech are when he's explaining the seven deadly sins to his partner and boss. He takes his time, making sure they're able to follow what he's saying, like a good teacher. Great little character touch.
Great catch. There are multiple scenes in the movie like that where their movements and positioning is giving all kinds of information not immediately obvious to viewers.
I think Morgan’s character in Se7en is far more compelling than his character in Shawshank. One of the best performances, if not the absolute best performance of Freeman’s career.
@@nicksoapdish157 When they reviewed SEVEN it was like a great title bout between Iron Mike and Bald Bull, where both men won (in this case, with both S&E giving thumbs-up ratings).
Interesting that Canadian Bacon came out in 1995 A full year after John Candy death He filmed his scenes before he died on the set of Wagon East but was released in 1994
I could have sworn Spacey sounded different in that phone conversation...in this one, his voice is more subdued whereas you can tell it's Spacey on the phone in the theatrical cut.
I think it's one of two things; A. the production team for S&E altered the voice a bit so as not to spoil the twist in the movie, or B. It might just have to do with the quality of the footage since it's not the best.
Yeah, the Spacey role was concealed well between the phone call and not putting Spacey’s name in the opening credits. Not even S&E spoiled it here with a direct or subtitle mention.
LOL I just realized the sample image for this video is of her. I've seen two of the four movies reviewed; I figured it was an actress in "The Run of the Country", which I know nothing about.
Absolutely! I’m trying to remember what movie or TV show I’ve seen her in. Obviously it’s been many years, but she appeared in something other than that popcorn commercial... I can’t place her. EDIT: A day later, it came to me! She was one of Jerry’s girlfriends on ‘Seinfeld.’ If memory serves, she was the one who could get anything she wanted. She talked a cop out of giving Jerry a ticket, got them tickets to a sold-out movie (while Elaine and her date waited in line), and so on.
seven is a gritty real world movie that doesnt “disney up” any of the horror that happens throughout the film. It makes you feel like you are working with the detectives through the case.
While Roger mentions that Seven features an unusual level of violence and depravity, it's really mostly just depravity. Almost all of the actual violence is implied. Hardly any violent acts are shown, and none are lingered on. But, like The Texas Chain Saw Massacre as another example, Seven's depravity and tone, coupled with masterful direction, make a relatively bloodless film FEEL extraordinarily violent.
The scene from Seven where Mills meets Somerset and they are talking on the street is also slightly different than what made it into the film. A dropped word here, a different inflection there. I'm a nerd for that sort of thing so I noticed it.
Also noticed that the scene where John Doe is talking to Detective Mills on the phone is voiced by a different actor than Kevin Spacey, possibly since Kevin Spacey's voice is more distinctive and possibly more recognizable.
@@RUclips-tiedExactly. The Usual Suspects came out a month before Seven, and Spacey went from character actor to movie star pretty much overnight. By the time Seven came out, a lot of people had just heard him literally narrate a crime thriller, so the studio made the right call.
I don't think SEVEN should have gotten an NC-17 rating, because it deliberately skirts around the edges of its extreme gore and violence enough that the R rating (which was totally earned) makes sense. But I wonder if part of Gene saying it should have gotten an NC-17 is that he was picking up on a good point by Roger: that SHOWGIRLS had a chance to bring something useful to the NC-17 rating discussion and ended up as a bad unintentional comedy. SEVEN would have done a lot for the NC-17 rating if it had been released that way because it was a great movie.
In Se7en, a prostitute is killed by a man forced to wear a knife-harness on his dick and copulate. That this is an act in a movie rated LESS adult than a soap opera where people take their tops off is emblematic of the MPAA's idiotic priorities.
The scene where John Doe is talking to detective Mills on the phone? That's a different actor voicing the part than Kevin Spacey. Probably done since Kevin Spacey's voice is so distinctive/recognizable.
Can you imagine the shit Siskel would have caught today for his critique of Elizabeth Berkley. Like it or not, the man was spot on. Cancel culture would have been oozing at the bit.
@@jaykay6387it's a matter of opinion. I don't think she's hot. But you're exactly what the original poster was talking about. If someone disagrees with you, you want their head on a stake. Sad world we live in. Thanks, fake-virtuous, woke fools!!
It has now been argued all of Verhoeven's movies are actually brilliant parodies that were so well done in hiding the parody people did not realize it until decades later. Starship Troopers, Basic Instinct and Showgirls it is argued were intentionally over the top and superficial. No one though "got it" until later. The fact showgirls was basically just all about Eve sexxed up it is argued is the parody. The whole plot if you think about it is basically a gonzo satire of that much better film. All of that manufactured over the top melodrama for what? To be basically a high class stripper in some Vegas hotel...haha
That was a cheap shot. These guys have a very strange take on females and the portrayal of film sexuality in general, it's quite schizophrenic. They sometimes pretend to be the "protectors" of female virtue, then Siskel makes a completely unnecessary comment like that, bordered on despicable.
I liked Spacey`s performance much better in "Seven" than in "Usual Suspects"(which he won an Oscar).....I remember going to see "Showgirls" in this small cinema in Ohio, by myself, and my mother and her boyfriend were there..kind of a surprise..bad ....bad movie
SPOILERS!!! They're wrong about Seven's "level of violence." This is a movie where almost none of the violence is shown onscreen; all the audience sees is the grotesque aftermath, and I think that's what they're squeamish about. They don't like that Fincher forced them to imagine John Doe's brutality and the suffering of his victims, because your own imagination can be a curse, showing you things you'd rather not see. And, when we finally meet John Doe, he doesn't look or act like a monster; as a matter of fact, when they're in the car, you kind of agree with Doe's philosophy. Agreeing with a murderer's point of view is repulsive, but you can't help it. You, too, have a sneaking suspicion that humanity has lost its way and is coming apart, and wish someone would do something about it. Doe's not just telling Mills and Somerset how he feels, he's also telling the audience how _they themselves_ feel, and it's scary how he's able to do that. And seeing Doe gunned down is at the same time satisfying and disappointing. We wanted to find out who he really was and where he came from, as if that would've explained things. Instead, again, we're left to speculate. And terribly sad, because we liked Tracy.
Yeah, it comes as a jolt when you think back over the whole movie and realize there's only one actual on-screen killing. The film is like a mini-master class in how to tell a story, and capture its emotional impact, through implication (culminating in the wicked masterstroke -- the fact that the contents of the box aren't shown in the final scene).
With all due respect for Mr. Siskel, it annoyed me how he constantly said ''picture''. We get it dude, you're a fancy scholar, but just say movie already.
7:50 aw John Candy. He was just hitting his stride when he died. A shame. 8:25 this is exactly my thoughts. The jokes are all in the dialogue, that is probably why John took the role, it probably read well.
@@babybird871 You know what I think it is? You either have to be Canadian or real familiar with Canada as an American to get Canadian Bacon. My Moms Canadian and I’ve been to Canada a lot to visit family so I pick up on all the humor in the film. Thing is most Canadians find that movie hilarious, most Americans just dont get the jokes as much.
They were way too kind to Showgirls which is/was a mid-90s train crash, unless of course you treat it as a "so bad it's good" comedy. Even in 1995 when I was a younger man... sorry Elizabeth Berkley, nothing sexy about that ;-)
Showgirls was terrible in terms of the lame story. Thumbs 👎 Canadian Bacon also gets a thumbs 👎 & was not funny. Seven gets a big thumbs 👍 it is very suspenseful, Brad Pitt & Morgan Freeman were terrific in their respective roles.
NC-17 for _Seven?_ for what? you don't SEE much of _anything._ it's all mostly suggested grotesques. there's some blood with the lawyer? certainly some swearing . . . am i missing something here? it's more the LOOK of the picture. the feel; the emotions and certainly the ending. but it's not like you SEE the head in the box or anything. not even a quick cut. which is part of the reason it's so intensely memorable.
I lol when ebert said joe esterhaus thinks of women as " bitch goddesses. " show girls is so bad u wonder if it's supposed to a satre. I dont get why joe at one time was the highest paid screenwriter in history. His movies are kinda trashy or horrible or both. Basic instinct was a huge success but in watching it years later as I was too little when it came out it's almost like a tv movie. I mean it's not smart. The guy that is killed in the beginning has tons of dna all over him & fingerprints. I know dna was not what it is today but fingerprints & blood tests could be used. So right off the bat it's silly. Also stone & douglas look too old to be in a night club. Maybe stone can get away with it but not douglas & some of the dialogue sux. I heard jagged edge was good. The lines on show girls are so bad I can't believe it. The whole dog food thing is insane! Siskel " it is all about eve in a g string " lol. Seven was one of those movies that everyone was blown out by. I remember my cousin saw it & she was so excited about it she told me everything which annoyed me as I wanted to see it myself lol. Fincher & pitt made some great movies together. I also liked how we never are told what city it was. Just some awful city in nowhere usa
"There is some sort of vague pubic nudity."
If that isn't one of the greatest quotes in cinematic film criticism, I don't know what is.
If this isn't one of the greatest comments on RUclips, I don't know what is.
Now that the marketing team has embraced the movie's cult status, they should use this quote from Ebert's review in any future campaigns. Forget "Two Thumbs Up". The future is "...Some Sort of Vague Pubic Nudity..."
Not that I liked the movie because it's terrible, . But there's a big difference between Las Vegas strippers and Las Vegas showgirls Ebert.
@@deeboy4378 You sure zinged him. He'll make a note of this from the after life .
R.I.P Siskel, Ebert and John Candy.
And Orville Reddenbacher!
@Maryrose Homiak Actually R.I.P Siskel, Ebert, John Candy and Albert Finney. He passed away on February 7, 2019.
And R Lee Ermey too.
@@LaunchPadMcQuack4Hire Very Well Said.
10:08 Notice how deliberate and meticulous Morgan Freeman's movements and speech are when he's explaining the seven deadly sins to his partner and boss. He takes his time, making sure they're able to follow what he's saying, like a good teacher. Great little character touch.
Great catch. There are multiple scenes in the movie like that where their movements and positioning is giving all kinds of information not immediately obvious to viewers.
I think Morgan’s character in Se7en is far more compelling than his character in Shawshank. One of the best performances, if not the absolute best performance of Freeman’s career.
I like that the thumbnail is from a popcorn ad @ 8:57.
Seeing them review Showgirls is like watching Mike Tyson box a poor soft opponent
Glass Joe from Mike Tyson's punch out.
Watching showgirls is like a sexy movie and kick their ass too!
@@nicksoapdish157 When they reviewed SEVEN it was like a great title bout between Iron Mike and Bald Bull, where both men won (in this case, with both S&E giving thumbs-up ratings).
Interesting that Canadian Bacon came out in 1995 A full year after John Candy death He filmed his scenes before he died on the set of Wagon East but was released in 1994
R.I.P. R. Lee Ermey.
I can't believe they gave Showgirls the amount of respect they did
One of the most poorly written pieces of crap scripts to be made by a major studio in the entire history of cinema.
I could have sworn Spacey sounded different in that phone conversation...in this one, his voice is more subdued whereas you can tell it's Spacey on the phone in the theatrical cut.
I think it's one of two things; A. the production team for S&E altered the voice a bit so as not to spoil the twist in the movie, or B. It might just have to do with the quality of the footage since it's not the best.
It's not Spacey it's Fincher. The producers released this version for trailers so as not to spoil the reveal.
Yeah, the Spacey role was concealed well between the phone call and not putting Spacey’s name in the opening credits. Not even S&E spoiled it here with a direct or subtitle mention.
Never mind the movie reviews, who's the girl in the popcorn commercial?
LOL I just realized the sample image for this video is of her. I've seen two of the four movies reviewed; I figured it was an actress in "The Run of the Country", which I know nothing about.
Ariana Grande's older sister
Probably a grandmother by now.
She looks like Rebecca De Mornay.
Nevermind that. Where did she get that popcorn?
The girl from the popcorn commercial gets two thumbs up, way way up! Jesus what a smoke show
Absolutely! I’m trying to remember what movie or TV show I’ve seen her in. Obviously it’s been many years, but she appeared in something other than that popcorn commercial... I can’t place her.
EDIT: A day later, it came to me! She was one of Jerry’s girlfriends on ‘Seinfeld.’ If memory serves, she was the one who could get anything she wanted. She talked a cop out of giving Jerry a ticket, got them tickets to a sold-out movie (while Elaine and her date waited in line), and so on.
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Great movies came out of Ireland in the 90's.
Yes. ‘Hear My Song’ was another good one.
seven is a gritty real world movie that doesnt “disney up” any of the horror that happens throughout the film. It makes you feel like you are working with the detectives through the case.
I liked Canadian Bacon.
"Canadian beer sucks" is the only thing I remember about Canadian Bacon
While Roger mentions that Seven features an unusual level of violence and depravity, it's really mostly just depravity. Almost all of the actual violence is implied. Hardly any violent acts are shown, and none are lingered on. But, like The Texas Chain Saw Massacre as another example, Seven's depravity and tone, coupled with masterful direction, make a relatively bloodless film FEEL extraordinarily violent.
It’s very gory with the aftermaths though, I get what he was trying to say.
6:13 “I’m not her husband, GOOD GOD!”
I’m going to start saying this all the time. That’s very funny.
Elizabeth Berkley is "hard around the face". I intend to use that euphemism in the future. Thanks, Gene!
Proceed with caution! 😂
I mostly like Showgirls!
The scene from Seven where Mills meets Somerset and they are talking on the street is also slightly different than what made it into the film. A dropped word here, a different inflection there. I'm a nerd for that sort of thing so I noticed it.
Also noticed that the scene where John Doe is talking to Detective Mills on the phone is voiced by a different actor than Kevin Spacey, possibly since Kevin Spacey's voice is more distinctive and possibly more recognizable.
@@jasonlane1528 That was a marketing decision made by the studio to hide the fact that Doe was played by Kevin Spacey, so yes you are correct Sir.
@@RUclips-tiedExactly. The Usual Suspects came out a month before Seven, and Spacey went from character actor to movie star pretty much overnight. By the time Seven came out, a lot of people had just heard him literally narrate a crime thriller, so the studio made the right call.
I don't think SEVEN should have gotten an NC-17 rating, because it deliberately skirts around the edges of its extreme gore and violence enough that the R rating (which was totally earned) makes sense. But I wonder if part of Gene saying it should have gotten an NC-17 is that he was picking up on a good point by Roger: that SHOWGIRLS had a chance to bring something useful to the NC-17 rating discussion and ended up as a bad unintentional comedy. SEVEN would have done a lot for the NC-17 rating if it had been released that way because it was a great movie.
In Se7en, a prostitute is killed by a man forced to wear a knife-harness on his dick and copulate. That this is an act in a movie rated LESS adult than a soap opera where people take their tops off is emblematic of the MPAA's idiotic priorities.
Seven was somehow Rated 15 in Canada instead of 18 rating
Some classics here!
Good movies from 1995:
Se7en
Braveheart
Casino
12 Monkeys
Jumanji
Apollo 13
The Basketball Diaries
The American President
12 monkeys is good? I will have to check it out. I always saw it at the movie rental stores but never made it around to seeing it
Yes! Also Heat, Safe, Babe, Toy Story, and The Usual Suspects. Strong year.
Toy Story
Canadian Bacon
I completely forgot Kyle McLaughlin was in showgirls!
Love the respect paid to Mr. Redenbacher.
The scene where John Doe is talking to detective Mills on the phone? That's a different actor voicing the part than Kevin Spacey. Probably done since Kevin Spacey's voice is so distinctive/recognizable.
Kevin Spacey as a creep? I don’t buy it.
R.I.P. Albert Finney.
The popcorn tribute to Orville was the highlight.
Showgirls is hysterical
Can you imagine the shit Siskel would have caught today for his critique of Elizabeth Berkley. Like it or not, the man was spot on. Cancel culture would have been oozing at the bit.
Eh...not really.
He criticized her make up...
Yeah, it sounded like he was criticizing Berkleys looks - which he wouldnt get away with today. I still think she's hot :)
@@cyric2010 She is hot, he was really off the rails with that comment, don't know WTF he was watching.
@@jaykay6387it's a matter of opinion. I don't think she's hot. But you're exactly what the original poster was talking about. If someone disagrees with you, you want their head on a stake. Sad world we live in. Thanks, fake-virtuous, woke fools!!
Se7en is excellent
I liked Spacey much better in this film than in the "Usual Suspects"
It has now been argued all of Verhoeven's movies are actually brilliant parodies that were so well done in hiding the parody people did not realize it until decades later. Starship Troopers, Basic Instinct and Showgirls it is argued were intentionally over the top and superficial. No one though "got it" until later. The fact showgirls was basically just all about Eve sexxed up it is argued is the parody. The whole plot if you think about it is basically a gonzo satire of that much better film. All of that manufactured over the top melodrama for what? To be basically a high class stripper in some Vegas hotel...haha
Showgirls and seven are my favorite movies and i love showgirls like basic instinct.
Say what you want about Showgirls, but is there anyone who hasn’t seen it.
Actually I haven't seen it.
They did 7 on another program too
who has the master tapes?
My reviews: out of 5
1 " Showgirls " 1 out of 5 👎
2 " Canadian Bacon " 2 out of 5 👎
3 " Seven " 4.5 out of 5 👍
Siskel was right about showgirls in it sucking bad
Siskel's hard around the head, especially the comb-over
That was a cheap shot. These guys have a very strange take on females and the portrayal of film sexuality in general, it's quite schizophrenic.
They sometimes pretend to be the "protectors" of female virtue, then Siskel makes a completely unnecessary comment like that, bordered on despicable.
8:58 - The thumbnail for the video is a blonde in a popcorn ad.
i like morgan freeman n brad pitt in this so much i almost wish they could have done a sequeal
I liked Spacey`s performance much better in "Seven" than in "Usual Suspects"(which he won an Oscar).....I remember going to see "Showgirls" in this small cinema in Ohio, by myself, and my mother and her boyfriend were there..kind of a surprise..bad ....bad movie
Showgirls was so bad it was nearly a Cult Classic
Hard around the face?? Jeez. wtf?
SPOILERS!!!
They're wrong about Seven's "level of violence." This is a movie where almost none of the violence is shown onscreen; all the audience sees is the grotesque aftermath, and I think that's what they're squeamish about. They don't like that Fincher forced them to imagine John Doe's brutality and the suffering of his victims, because your own imagination can be a curse, showing you things you'd rather not see. And, when we finally meet John Doe, he doesn't look or act like a monster; as a matter of fact, when they're in the car, you kind of agree with Doe's philosophy. Agreeing with a murderer's point of view is repulsive, but you can't help it. You, too, have a sneaking suspicion that humanity has lost its way and is coming apart, and wish someone would do something about it. Doe's not just telling Mills and Somerset how he feels, he's also telling the audience how _they themselves_ feel, and it's scary how he's able to do that. And seeing Doe gunned down is at the same time satisfying and disappointing. We wanted to find out who he really was and where he came from, as if that would've explained things. Instead, again, we're left to speculate. And terribly sad, because we liked Tracy.
They could never handle violence. They practically melted down over Friday the 13th.
With seven we see the aftermath of the killings, its only the ending which is violent as we see the final sin
Yeah, it comes as a jolt when you think back over the whole movie and realize there's only one actual on-screen killing. The film is like a mini-master class in how to tell a story, and capture its emotional impact, through implication (culminating in the wicked masterstroke -- the fact that the contents of the box aren't shown in the final scene).
Siskel is literally just trying to find anything negative to say about Se7en. Too graphic? Really? Hogwash. It’s a perfect film.
With all due respect for Mr. Siskel, it annoyed me how he constantly said ''picture''. We get it dude, you're a fancy scholar, but just say movie already.
Hard around the face...LOL ☠
Lol gene was a little harsh on elizabeth Berkley I mean criticize her acting not her looks
It was probably the ridiculous drag queen make up that threw him. She was a beautiful girl, but that makeup job was hideous.
5:35 damn Gene, I didn’t know you were a pimp like that. Calling the star of Showgirls a butterface.
7:50 aw John Candy. He was just hitting his stride when he died. A shame.
8:25 this is exactly my thoughts. The jokes are all in the dialogue, that is probably why John took the role, it probably read well.
Does NC-17 a thing, anymore movies like this usually get a Not Rated
1:25 start
I liked Canadian Bacon
How about *Wag the Dog?*
dnasty312 Never saw it but I know it’s got a similar premise. Need to check it out.
A man of good taste.
The idea was funnier than the movie....
@@babybird871 You know what I think it is? You either have to be Canadian or real familiar with Canada as an American to get Canadian Bacon. My Moms Canadian and I’ve been to Canada a lot to visit family so I pick up on all the humor in the film. Thing is most Canadians find that movie hilarious, most Americans just dont get the jokes as much.
How can I get a job like that? 3:17
Mnn....Las Vegas Strippers!!!
I’ll always hate Showgirls not just bc it’s a really bad movie but bc it significantly damaged the NC-17 rating’s viability in cinema.
Gina Gershon is the most under-utilized actress ever.
anyone else got a woody ? 🤥
They were way too kind to Showgirls which is/was a mid-90s train crash, unless of course you treat it as a "so bad it's good" comedy. Even in 1995 when I was a younger man... sorry Elizabeth Berkley, nothing sexy about that ;-)
Seven is not a violent movie at all. Disturbing ...yeah
ah i'd say what's in the box qualifies as violence...lol
Showgirls was terrible in terms of the lame story. Thumbs 👎 Canadian Bacon also gets a thumbs 👎 & was not funny. Seven gets a big thumbs 👍 it is very suspenseful, Brad Pitt & Morgan Freeman were terrific in their respective roles.
Canadian Bacon is the greatest movie ever made.
@@TheWinstonSlip thankfully I didn’t put it as worse as Showgirls was
@@reneperez7903 it’s the opposite of showgirls
NC-17 for _Seven?_ for what?
you don't SEE much of _anything._ it's all mostly suggested grotesques. there's some blood with the lawyer? certainly some swearing . . . am i missing something here?
it's more the LOOK of the picture. the feel; the emotions and certainly the ending. but it's not like you SEE the head in the box or anything. not even a quick cut. which is part of the reason it's so intensely memorable.
Showgirls was NC17, not Seven.
I lol when ebert said joe esterhaus thinks of women as " bitch goddesses. " show girls is so bad u wonder if it's supposed to a satre. I dont get why joe at one time was the highest paid screenwriter in history. His movies are kinda trashy or horrible or both. Basic instinct was a huge success but in watching it years later as I was too little when it came out it's almost like a tv movie. I mean it's not smart. The guy that is killed in the beginning has tons of dna all over him & fingerprints. I know dna was not what it is today but fingerprints & blood tests could be used. So right off the bat it's silly. Also stone & douglas look too old to be in a night club. Maybe stone can get away with it but not douglas & some of the dialogue sux. I heard jagged edge was good. The lines on show girls are so bad I can't believe it. The whole dog food thing is insane! Siskel " it is all about eve in a g string " lol.
Seven was one of those movies that everyone was blown out by. I remember my cousin saw it & she was so excited about it she told me everything which annoyed me as I wanted to see it myself lol. Fincher & pitt made some great movies together. I also liked how we never are told what city it was. Just some awful city in nowhere usa
it's women as gay men
Esterhaus was/is the most overpaid screenwriter of all time..he wrote one ok thriller "Basic Instinct"..the rest sucked
Jagged Edge is choppy. Robert Loggia does what he can with his role.