this has been a great lesson for me! I had not known about cycled patterns before, this in fact is something I have often heard in jazz music but always wondered how the musicians would come up with playing such sequences (since they did not make any sence for in a harmonic way). you make good short videos which explain well structred little aspects of improvisation. Please go on like that, I think that soon many more subscribers will follow!!
Great stuff. I am a guitarist and this kind of real pattern moving is very easy for us because we just keep playing the same finger movement and slide it up the fretboard by fixed intervals. We can do this in all genres, not just jazz. Metal guitarists do this all the time. But here is what I am trying to learn...when you hear jazz pianists they often play a repeated non-real pattern using the scale they have decided on, but, in order prevent themselves merely running up and down the keyboard they will use a repeated pattern that they move up (or down) the very scale they are playing in by a single scale degree. I hear them do extraordinary things with it, so they might for example play a pattern that is made of five 1/16th notes over a set of 4/4 bars so the pattern feels like it is sort of rolling over the time signature. With a few emphases thrown in, this is very interesting to the ear because you can hear order and disorder competing with each other. All they have to do is keep moving the pattern up or down the scale by a single scale interval and they are twisting the listeners ear in a lovely way. That's what I want to be able to do. Don't have the fingers for it yet.
Brilliant professing as always. Do you have a video which provides us some of the most amazing symmetrical patterns, like a riff bank, then we could transpose them to other keys? I know it sounds mechanical sometimes but it is still very lovely to hear.
Interesting .. I though about structure while trying Isomorphic keyboard and the good point here is that with the cycle patterns one might fall into sounds robotic.. which I kinda felt but did not specified that clear. Now I know the problem I should try to solve, somehow.
Do you have any tips on how to improvise cycled patterns? Or is the idea that you come up with some beforehand and just memorise them and throw them in your improvisation every now and then? I’m asking because I can’t figure out how to play these cycles patterns without counting semi-tones, which obviously I can’t do quickly whilst playing. Many thanks for your amazing tutorials 🙏
Hi! I've been studying your videos (along with the accompanying lessons from the website) for a while now and I have to say; they're great! Really useful for someone like me as a relatively new, unexperienced beginner-pianist. But I have a burning question that's been bothering me for while... Are cycled patterns and symmetrical scales "truly" non-functional? On the website, you say patterns don't sound like they have a root note or tonic chord, and that all notes essentially become equal. But in the context of chords, every note will always be divided and categorized by "right" and "wrong" notes accordingly, no matter if they're cycled patterns or not. Doesn't that crash somewhat with the "non-functional" bit? You also talk of "outside notes" and resolving to a Guide Tone (i.e. a "correct" note). Again, doesn't that inherently imply that there is such a thing as "right" and "wrong" notes, even when it comes to patterns and symmetrical scales? I assume there's something I'm just missing or don't understand, but I would really appreciate an explanation! Anyways, love your videos, keep up the good work!
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this has been a great lesson for me! I had not known about cycled patterns before, this in fact is something I have often heard in jazz music but always wondered how the musicians would come up with playing such sequences (since they did not make any sence for in a harmonic way).
you make good short videos which explain well structred little aspects of improvisation. Please go on like that, I think that soon many more subscribers will follow!!
+J. Charles Thanks, J Charles. That's really nice of you to say. I'm really glad you enjoyed the lesson.
I had been doing stuff like this as a way to play really out there sort of notes. It's good to see it confirmed in a video explaination.
Thanks for this lesson. I am learning quite a bit from your channel!
loved this lesson and it's explanations ! :)
Very Nice thank
Resolution is the key! Great lesson. Thanks!
Great stuff. I am a guitarist and this kind of real pattern moving is very easy for us because we just keep playing the same finger movement and slide it up the fretboard by fixed intervals. We can do this in all genres, not just jazz. Metal guitarists do this all the time.
But here is what I am trying to learn...when you hear jazz pianists they often play a repeated non-real pattern using the scale they have decided on, but, in order prevent themselves merely running up and down the keyboard they will use a repeated pattern that they move up (or down) the very scale they are playing in by a single scale degree. I hear them do extraordinary things with it, so they might for example play a pattern that is made of five 1/16th notes over a set of 4/4 bars so the pattern feels like it is sort of rolling over the time signature. With a few emphases thrown in, this is very interesting to the ear because you can hear order and disorder competing with each other. All they have to do is keep moving the pattern up or down the scale by a single scale interval and they are twisting the listeners ear in a lovely way. That's what I want to be able to do. Don't have the fingers for it yet.
your vids are blowing my mind
Thanks, mate :)
More to come!
An excellent tutorial Anton - thank you! :)
Thanks Vanessa. It's a fun idea to play with! You can create some great sounding patterns.
Thanks a lot! 👍
Brilliant professing as always. Do you have a video which provides us some of the most amazing symmetrical patterns, like a riff bank, then we could transpose them to other keys? I know it sounds mechanical sometimes but it is still very lovely to hear.
Interesting .. I though about structure while trying Isomorphic keyboard and the good point here is that with the cycle patterns one might fall into sounds robotic.. which I kinda felt but did not specified that clear. Now I know the problem I should try to solve, somehow.
Do you have any tips on how to improvise cycled patterns? Or is the idea that you come up with some beforehand and just memorise them and throw them in your improvisation every now and then?
I’m asking because I can’t figure out how to play these cycles patterns without counting semi-tones, which obviously I can’t do quickly whilst playing.
Many thanks for your amazing tutorials 🙏
10:52 A _nice_ chord like a C69
Hi! I've been studying your videos (along with the accompanying lessons from the website) for a while now and I have to say; they're great! Really useful for someone like me as a relatively new, unexperienced beginner-pianist. But I have a burning question that's been bothering me for while...
Are cycled patterns and symmetrical scales "truly" non-functional?
On the website, you say patterns don't sound like they have a root note or tonic chord, and that all notes essentially become equal. But in the context of chords, every note will always be divided and categorized by "right" and "wrong" notes accordingly, no matter if they're cycled patterns or not. Doesn't that crash somewhat with the "non-functional" bit? You also talk of "outside notes" and resolving to a Guide Tone (i.e. a "correct" note). Again, doesn't that inherently imply that there is such a thing as "right" and "wrong" notes, even when it comes to patterns and symmetrical scales?
I assume there's something I'm just missing or don't understand, but I would really appreciate an explanation! Anyways, love your videos, keep up the good work!
Is pentatonic runs same thing as that? Pentatonics don't always go outside, but they use same pattern in different places.
Yeah, exactly. Same idea. You don't have to go outside. It's just about creating patterns however you like.