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5 Most Brilliant Battlefield Strategies in Science Fiction
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Science fiction battle strategy at its finest.
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Like the majority of people, I never saw Battleship
*But the sight of a full broadside is a thing of glory*
'murica
What @Johnny Dominguez says. It's Top Guns inbred younger cousin for the first half. And the first Transformers movie for the second. (not sure if that is a recommendation or not)
The sight of a full US, '40s vintage Battleship broadside?
The sound is even better, IF YOU CAN STILL HEAR AFTER!!!
AMMRIGHT????
So loud you can feel it.
Mr MacGuffin I saw it 3 times...
Broadside is possible. also possible to rip the whole forecastle and ancho windless right off the ship.
Have you seen one?
for a Disney it's good, like what The Black Hole was to them in the 70's. a new nifty idea. imo it worked for what it was.
"what could be more convincing than fed ex hurling packages at their destination as hard as possible." kudos to the person that came up with that line.
Only drawback is they should have used more boxes. Throw / eject four empty containers, then the two filled with your strike team. Unless the station had heat sensors so as to tell which containers weren't empty, this would have given more cover for the raiders to reach the station.
@@STSWB5SG1FAN You could just put heaters inside the empty ones, or whatever so they all look the same on thermal.
Those 'Jump out of the Water'-Spaceships were Ridiculously badly designed.
The whole movie, actually, was just bad and full of Plot Holes if you count Idiotic Aliens as as Plot Hole.
Which you should.
@@slevinchannel7589 I think you replied to the wrong comment mate, because your comment has no correlation to the previous comments.
@@STSWB5SG1FAN Actually they should have brought along empty pods as a distraction.
I think BSG 'The Hand of God' the attack on the Cylon Tylium mining asteroid had brilliant tactics. The multiple diversions, and the hiding of Vipers in cargo containers was bold, risky, and successful!
For BSG I'd say it's a tie between that and the Adama Maneuver seen later in Exodus Pt 2. As with the Tylium asteroid, the assault on New Caprica has diversions with the Raptors deploying drones that give a dradis silhouette of Galactica and Pegasus, luring the Cylon defenses away from the planet long enough for Galactica to approach unimpeded and FTL jump *into* the atmosphere directly over the colony for a rapid deployment of Vipers to provide the Colonial Resistance some air cover before jumping back into space to take on the Basestars in orbit.
@@VegetaLF7 Yeah, that one.
@@VegetaLF7 Both were quite clever. Each used the show's inner logic and deception on both the audience and the Cylons. Those were the types of episodes that made that show good.
I agree with that!
@@VegetaLF7 Yep, the "Dropping the bucket" maneuver certainly was televisual gold and just completely wrong footed the cylons.
“ I don’t care where you’re from, a 16 inch naval gun is still a 16 inch naval gun. Merica.”
Edited by popular demand!
Beat me to it. Fuck your advanced technology, a big ol' gun will fuck your day.
the only thing better then a 16 inch naval gun is two 16 inch naval guns, or a 18 inch naval gun
I heard, "Murica!" Love it!
@@user-Xx0xxxxx How about a 31.5 (Schwerer Gustav)
@@Somajsibere one problem, i notice a distinct lack of "MURICA in the Schwerer Gustav
"Carrying out war games with the Japanese Kaiju Defense Force." --I see what you did there...well played.
The best quote from this video.
Ah Thrawn, if only Space Whales had art he could've studied in advance, he'd still be alive…
If only Disney knew how to create art, the show wouldn’t have sucked
@@klidthelid8361 no you
Oh Disney killed him too? Please tell me more reasons why Disney Star Wars is trash.
@@adventuresincrt1376 Have you seen the upcoming 5 movies? Irredeemable.
@@GldnClaw No I have not. But I will be looking forward to RUclipsrs trashing them went it comes out. 😂
What about the Siege of Atlantis from the Stargate TV series? Both sides had some decent tactics, much of which was made on-the-fly.
Humans: Use an orbital defense satellite, Rig mines in space, Mount tons of AA guns on the towers, Field numerous marines on/inside the city, Use a cloaked transport to deliver a nuke, Use a transporter to deliver more nukes, Use a shield to both hold off a kamikaze wave & hide behind a self-destruct nuke, Use enemy telepathy to plant false information, Exploit enemy hyperdrive weaknesses to ambush them.
Wraith: Use asteroids to blow up the mines, Use fighter-based transporters to deliver assault teams directly onto the city, Use those same transporters to remove defenders from their gun emplacements, Activating electronic countermeasures to deny enemy transporter capabilities, Orbital bombardment to deplete enemy shields, and Hacking an enemy battle cruiser to remove/subvert that asset.
Also on sg1, Sam blowing up a sun to destroy a fleet.
@@noireblack8865 Sam is best women in the SGC universe
I like when they blew up a Hive ship, the explosion of which opened a gate from Pegasus to a supergate in the Milky Way, the kawoosh of which destroyed an Ori mothership. That’s two for the price of one! It’s also the first and only time they managed to destroy an Ori mothership without Asgard plasma beams
Nobody mentions Dakara? Using an ancient superweapon and the stargate network to annihilate every replicator in the galaxy. And once the replicators are annihilated, take every Goa'uld Vessel, brilliant.
Ba'al: You are surrounded.
Jaffa: Bruh.
I can't let it pass.
In Ender's Game, the malleability of children was used purposefully. The entire 'Academy' was the training ground. Building their skills wasn't the most important aspect. Removing them from socialization and civilization, putting them through scenarios and allowing them to develop mentally and socially as well as their tactics and strategies without outside influence was the entire point. They didn't teach the kids at all. They just barely organized them and maintained discipline then threw them into battle over and over again until they had one that developed that won and kept winning. Then they used it without allowing him to know that he was fighting real battles. Ender figured out at the end that he was directing real human ships, giving orders to real people in the end because he was smart.
Humanity did this to win regardless of anything. They did this because military, military complex, political establishments, and civilians could not do what was needed to win. The mental headspace and timing, socialization, infrastructure, bureaucracy, and specifically the depth of institutional knowledge in many areas, professions, and civilizations wouldn't allow those things to be done.
An example, a bug is killing all trees. To get rid of it we need to burn everything west of the Rockies to dirt before it spreads. It might not kill all of the bugs but it might. If the bug spreads, within 20 years all trees in the world will be dead even if we come up with a bug killer that works on the bugs. What are the chances we would set fire to the entire pacific coast from Baja to Alaska, San Francisco to Salt Lake? They took some kindergartners, separated them from all outside influence, and raised them to be pyromaniacs.
this is one of the best breakdowns ive ever heard of enders game. i want to talk to you more because thats my favorite book ever
My three year old who has already almost burned down the house: Yes
And yet the moral of the next book was: There was no big invasion force, the enemy had just realized to late that humans were intelligent and got wiped out for this. So the perceived threat was actually not there but misread by humans.
And I kind of disagree that it was disorganized. They, at least to a degree, used the children as chess pieces. On example would be Marco, who was mostly used to "teach" Ender certain lessons. It was easily visible that he would not be THE commander they were looking for, but served a different purpose. The were manipulating group dynamics having certain candidates in just for the "terror" and such, to teach their students certain lessons they deemed important.
Even the "unfair" organisation of battles 2v1 etc. mostly served to purpose of incresing Enders will to never give up even in the most dire situations and with unfair drills.
i love enders game because this "black box" secret training is something i could see a government doing, based on my (limited) real military experiences. disinformation is a favorite tool of the powerful.
top politicians dont often give a damn about ethics and morals when they think victory will justify them in the mobs eyes, and weve seen this in real history. look at nuking japan - ask for forgiveness rather than permission (of the people)
I likes the movie but its tru that It doesnt make Justice to the book
Garek: "I'm just a simple tailor, trying to make a living in these troubled times."
Audience: "Riiiiiiiight......"
Garek will always be one of my favorite characters from DS9. His redemption arc is one of the best things about this show.
The book A Stitch in Time (fitting for a tailor) explores Garak’s past, from childhood to his exile. The man he thought was his father turned out to be his mother’s brother, who told Garak the truth about his paternity on his deathbed. Garak went to a prestigious school usually only meant for the kids of influential officers or officials (which, technically, he was, but no one knew it). The novel is framed against the backdrop of the ruins of Cardassia Prime as Garak works to rebuild it after the end of the Dominion War
He's one of best written, acted characters in whole franchise.
Which one was true? All of them? Even the lies? Especially the lies
Preston Cole at the Battle of Psi Serpentus:
LITERALLY TURNS A GAS GIANT INTO A SUN WITH NUKES
Yeah but no good visuals to use in that one
The Keyes loop would also be a good choice
"The life and possible death of Preston Cole" I did enjoy that short story, would love to see it animated
@@UNSCPILOT Or as a motion comic, which is what they did for "The Mona Lisa", "The Return" and "Headhunters". If they did it for those three, then why not the rest?
Ender : Wow the graphics looks so realistic!
Imagine the psihological scars you'd have finding out that your orders on computer games are actually real. Quality Sci Fi is so good at puting human drama on larger canvases.
@@grigturcescu6190 I popped a boner everytime lol. The reality is I avoid murdering virtual characters in video games. It's weird. I feel bad when I go out of my way to murder NPC's.
@@shinku5463 i feel you, me too. It's weird how people say video games promote violence and i'm like "Have you played a video game ever?" I even stop at red lights when I play GTA, i try to be as normal as i would be in real life. Video games give me the oportunity to be myself in another context, don't turn me in Hanibal Lecter.
@@grigturcescu6190 I also don't hit people in GTA! The thing is the more realistic games become the more realistic our interactions will be. Soon. Robot rights.
Grig Turcescu
Exactly, that’s why in Grandtheft auto I drive on the sidewalk and run down as many pedestrians as possible.
The perfect strategy would be to get a copy of the shooting script, so you have total Intelligence and situational awareness.
And a very dirty tactic is to rewrite sections of the script and put it back on the desk.
Aka Jim Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test...
the Spaceballs had it, but they too incompetent to use it twice.
Yeah, Batman does that A LOT.
Revenge is a dish best served cold ... it is very cold in space
Or watch the video. Dark Helmet: master of the Schwartz and home video, AND so damned evil he didn’t even rewind the tape.
This was one of my favorite episodes you’ve ever done! I’m a US Marine, so that might explain some of it. But, you also had guests speaking on some of their favorites, too. Well done!
"Throw a hundred thousand guardsmen at that target, if that fails, throw a million, repeat until success"
-Warhammer 40k
That is a gross mischaraterisation of the Imperial Guard, any lord general who actually does that, would get a bolter round to the face from a commissar for incompetence, or find themselves with a callidus assasins blade in their back if they were someone with connections or powerful family.
"Life is the emperor currency, spend it well" - while massive grievous casualties do happen, they usually happen for a good reason. The astra militarum does way more, then just throw meat into the grinder.
Not sure how the Adama Maneuver doesn't make this list. Using drones to draw the Cylons away from the planet, jumping a Battlestar into the atmosphere of a planet, launching fighters while "falling like a rock," and then jumping back out seconds before crashing into the ground is one of the most brilliant sci fi strategies ever.
Spacedock’s “How to save Pegasus” vid would disagree: namely, send assault raptors instead of the Galactica.
I disagree with Spacedock on that point, Idon't think Assault Raptors would have a chance against the few Cylon Raiders that were still there on the planet. The Vipers are shown shooting down Raiders right before Hotdog and Red Wing take out the guard tower and shipyard gate.
rogue nine9 they were 4 basestats...that’s hundreds and hundreds of raiders. I don’t think they would have been able to make it.
It was badass beyond belief, but violated several things established in series universe, namely FTL reload time.
@@piotrd.4850 The second jump was like a rebound into orbit where the Cylon Basestars were. A short hop like that seems like something a Battlestar could accomplish without much effort and likely already set, or easy enough to input on the fly since they were only going from the atmosphere into orbit. Surely Galactica and Pegasus were more versatile that the bulk of the fleet, whose limitations (spool time and jump distance) probably held them back; the fleet would have had to consider the least capable of FTL capable ships when it made its jumps.
For the Firefly movie, Serenity; drawing in the reavers to fight as a distraction was excellent (if not reckless) tactics for a lopsided situation.
Reckless is a massive understatement.If they had been wrong about the Operative already having a fleet in position (which they had no way to verify) they would have led an army of Reavers to Mr. Universe's doorstep with no way to escape them
Though to be fair, borderline-insane tactics was pretty much the only way they were going to outmaneuver the Operative
Though to be fair, borderline-insane tactics was pretty much the only way they were going to outmaneuver the Operative
Hot drop o'clock
@@chouser25 Though to be fair, borderline-insane tactics was pretty much the only way they usually operated.. :D
Really thought that the Keyes loop would be featured in this list.
A single UNSC Destroyer against two Covenant frigates and a Destroyer, and not only surviving the encounter, but WINNING it.
You forgot the Carrier.
Which survived the battle only by fleeing, admittedly, but still contributed to the lopsided forces.
Came to the comments to say exactly this. That one scene made me really appreciate Nylund as a writer.
Actually, not really. Keyes himself says that as a strategy it should not have worked and he would've given anybody who proposed it a C. It relied heavily on luck, and Keyes would have been SOL if the Covenant had simply plotted an intercept course.
It's not that Keyes was a bad tactician or anything, it's just that the Covenant were too incompetent to attempt a basic evasive manuever, or send their frigates on an intercept course.
@@downrangecash2418 Doesn't seem out of character for the Covenant. The elites we're probably too busy have to quell tantrums and petty squabbles aboard their ships.
@@frogthetoad6773 Nah, it probably went something like this:
Elite 1: "Commander! The human vessel is closing on our position."
Elite 2: "So, they desire a warriors death. Very well, we shall give it to them."
During the French Indian wars when the Fledgling American Navy was fighting on the Great lakes; During the Battle of Lake Huron, The Americans used a Sailing Ship at full Sail but at anchor to tack back and forth to bring broadside shots at the French Fleet. 1 American Ship destroyed the entire French fleet. They Fired the Port side then tacked and fired the starboard side then tacked again. During the Tack the side that fired reloaded and gave them another broadside of a full load each time.Whereas a few shots fired a ship can survive but not broad side after broadside...
Cobambam bambam there was no American navy during the French and Indian war, it was the Royal Navy. You’re thinking of the war of 1812 between Britain and The USA
One of my favorites, just because the movie is so fun, is Galaxy Quest. "And what you fail to realize is my ship is dragging mines!"
"A 16in navel gun is still a 16in navel gun. 'Murica" 10:15
Yeah. and they hurt like hell when they hit too! A full volley of SAPHE rounds out of a 16" navel gun would really ruin anyone's day. Human or Alien.
I love that line.
Benjamin Griggs So do I! It’s a small nod of the head at the power of the old days. Those guns are quite powerful and definitely hurt like hell. But they are silent for now.
“Speak softly and carry a big stick!” Well. Those Battleship are a great imagine of that! Silent until they bring the pain
US Navy still has Cruisers with 14 inch guns.
On Earth yes. In space, not so much. I would argue any chemical propelled ballistic round is useless in space, too slow.
@@Zamolxes77 Yes. Unless you used magnetic coils to accelerate the round. Like in Halo.
You know the difference between a Kardashian and a Cardassian?
One are cruel, emotionless, cold blooded lizard creatures.
The others are on Star Trek.
So that means the only actual difference is the wooden spoon glued to their heads?
One is made out of plastic
Other is from star trek
So, no difference at all?
"20 Galore class Cardasssian battleship approching sir."
"We're f'ed"
@@aiosquadron no offense, and I _do_ apologize in advance, but *Galor.
I'm just as pissed about Picard and Axanar as the next fan, but can we _please_ wait until Disney _proper actually_ gets the claws of the next Kathleen Kennedy into Trek before we lose sight of such things?
3 things stood out to me.
1. Probably one of the best videos on the channel.
2. I love the prerecorded footage of the Late British Ben. Although it was probably the longest segment of the video.
3. American Ben must have a hot date he hasn't looked this clean in a year. (I think this is justified by the fact he made a joke about his wrinkled shirt.)
Um... wait is British Ben dead or something?
@@stratometal thats what I was told
The DS9 one reminds me of why DS9 is not only my favorite Star Trek series, but one of my absolute favorite works of science fiction. That episode referenced is one of the rare occasions where I can say a deus ex machina solution is done well. It's not just a convenient happenstance like you see in say the new Star Wars movies, but something that was earned, based on an advantageous relationship that Sisco built over time, and was only able to convince the omnipotent beings as a result of his ethics, and ultimately at great personal cost to himself.
Though a much smaller strategy in scale I love the way Naomi figured out how to deal with the battle in Babylon's Ashes, party because I managed to figure out how she was going to use the information before she did. :)
For expanse, my personal favourite tactics was the rescue of avarasala scene and the creative use of torpedoes. That blew my mind when I first saw it.
No Ender wiggan spent the rest of his life trying to fix the mistake he made by genociding a species. That's mostly what the rest of the series is about.
It's actually not bad at all, bur the first one was by far and away the best if extremely horrifying.
The Star Trek entry had nothing anyone could remotely call a strategy or a plan. It was throw everything we can at point A and trust to luck.
Babylon 5 does not get enough love on this channel. I will submit the defeat of the Blackstar, the only victorious battle during the Earth-Minbari War, as a brilliant example of battlefield strategy where the heavily damaged and disabled EAS Lexington commanded by Commander John Sheridan lured the Blackstar, flagship on the Minbari fleet, into an asteroid field mined with its three remaining two megaton nuclear warheads. Using only docking thrusters to stay out of line of sight, the Lexington drew in the Blackstar within range of one of the mined asteroids. The detonation damaged the Blackstar sent it drifting towards a second mined asteroid that finished the job. The destruction of the Blackstar earned Sheridan the nickname "Star Killer" by the Minbari.
Damn right it did, I'd quite forgotten that one and just how tough those Mimbari warships were; great but not my personal favorite.
I would have used a scene from Serenity for one of them. When Malcolm angers the Reaver fleet because he knows the Alliance is waiting for him. 1 cannon versus 2 fleets. That was genius.
We're still flying.
Take me out into the black.
Tell them I aint comin' back.
I was going to post the same if no one else had. Thanks for savin' me some time.
life a leaf on the wind
Ok honestly, I watched battleship and frickin loved it
"I don't care what part of the galaxy you are from... a 16' Naval gun is still a 16' Naval gun.... 'Merica." I giggled after that one, well played sir.
Yea even Space Battleship Yamato says a 46cm gun is a 46cm gun
THANK YOU for giving Ender's game some love! I feel like this awesome IP gets overlooked way too often.
In defense of the United Earth of 'Ender's Game', it had been at least 1 generation since the 'Buggers' attacked, their technology was reverse engineered, and the fleet had been launched. They probably expected to find someone capable of commanding the fleet a decade or more earlier, meaning that person would have time to grow into the position, but with one candidate after another washing out (like Peter for his violence and Valentine for her compassion) by the time the fleet was in position to attack the only option was a teenager who wasn't emotionally ready to be told that his actions had real-world consequences.
What about the time Captain Picard won the battle using " The Picard Manuever "?
He pulled his shirt down when he stood up from his bridge chair and his confidence
so unnerved his enemy they surrendered immediately.
Way better than that DS9 battle plan.
As to the official Picard Maneuver, they missed a trick. First fire phasers, *then* micro-jump. Then fire again immediately after the jump. If that's not possible, then tome your jump to bracket the time between firings, so you still get the combined shots' time-on-target.
Incidentally, since micro jumps are a derivatipn of known technology, but holo-projecting a ship-sized object is impossible (or else it would *ever* have been used), I don't see why, given the choice of targets, anyone would ever have been fooled onto firing at the old image. Also, didn't Picard use this successfully against a DaiMon who already knew it? Or is this just a translation for us, who are unused to discernong between ships when warp drive is involved?
@@isaackellogg3493 the incident in question involved an inexperienced commander of a species where they make commerce not war. but good call exploiting a speed of light weapon and FTL to double down on the damage
darthspeaks
No you’re thinking of the Second Riker maneuver, the first Riker maneuver is straddling a chair.
@@isaackellogg3493 This is like Pughachev Kobra - works only once against oponent.
1 problem I had with Battleship. They REALLY underestimated the power of the guns on Mighty Mo. For one, in the war they didn't fire all the guns at once because the shockwave of one gun would knock any other round fired off course, making them highly inaccurate. They fired them one at a time. Also, those rounds didn't explode on contact. They penetrated then exploded. A single 16 in gun would have shredded the alien craft and when it exploded, lights out. No way that alien ship could stand up to even a single salvo.
But youre discounting the sex appeal of seeing all those beautiful guns bust a nut at the same time
@@bobbyrayvictory6905 lmao
Since you are firing the guns at few hundred meter's range, you don't really care about precision, you just care about firing as much ammo as quickly as possible. Since you don't know how much armor the enemy ship has, an overkill is better than nothing.
@@HalNordmann Incorrect. Firing as rapidly as possible was what lead to the British suffering HORRIBLE casualties at the Battle of Jutland, and as a result was not common practice later on. Also, you do care about precision because the amount of deviation caused by the shockwaves could and did knock rounds off course, and considering they fired their guns at miles away any slight deviation would mean you miss the target by a lot. Your arguments are all arguments made by naval strategist in and around ww1, and early ww2, but were completely dismissed after because they didn't measure up to reality. Jutland showed it was better to not fire as rapidly as possible. The Battle of Denmark Straight showed that accuracy was far more important than firing all guns at once.
the scene itself could be so unrealistic but the Missouri firing it's guns it's such a beautiful image
Needed far too many Magguffins for it work, not really tactics at all. I don't get why it's even included here to be honest ?
No love for the Adama manoeuvre? FTL effectively a 5-mile long rust bucket 100,000km's from the surface, launch fighters and FTL jump just before it hits the ground?
my two favs: DS9 the final battle, where it's the Dominion bombing of a Cardassian city that causes the Cardassians to withdraw from the alliance and them the Dominion completely vulnerable. My other fav is in David Brin's Startide Rising where the Streaker goes into the hull of an alien ship in order to get past the blockade. Using the water of the ship to create a de facto wall behind them was just icing on the cake.
15:56 *Sisko:* _Fortune favors the bold!_ ( *Crew:* _..._ *cricket sound effect* )
*Sisko smiles and strokes his chin:* ...but bearded* ( *Crew smiles at ease * )
*Nog quietly to Garak:* Humans have beards on their rears?
*Garak looking straight to his eyes:* YES!
For some reason I'm always hopeful that Babylon 5 will get some love from this channel.
Pff...Prophet Magic and "Fire the biggest gun we can find" are way better tactically (strategically means something different) than the Bonehead Maneuver or the defeat of the Black Star, or retaking Mars, or, for actual strategic decisions, the deception and provocation campaign waged against the Vorlon and Shadows.
The funny thing about Missouri's manoeuvre is it had a real-life precedent. The ship in question was a fraction of the mass and was a submarine tender, but it did 'anchor drift', once. And bent it's sea frame.
I'd figure the bow would be wrenched so bad it'd be ripped off or bent so bad Missouri would take on water.
@@MotoroidARFC In the Mighty Mo's case, the anchor chain would snap before the seaframe distorted too much. There's an order of magnitude difference between the Missouri and the Akitsushima.
@@Talon1124 the bow section is just thinner then the rest of the ship. Distortion of the bow could happen fractions of a second before the chain let go.
@@MotoroidARFC Eh, it's a moot point, because no one in reality would be crazy enough to stupid enough to put a ship through that.
@@Talon1124 yup
Despite being a semi-ridiculous show, Dr Who has one of my favorite space battles with a unique strategy. At the fall of Gallifrey seeing the many Tardises work to save the planet and destroy the Dalek fleet was amazing. The edits the fans did only made it better.
I see this channel growing A LOT! Not only good content, but very well presented. Kudos!!!
I read it years ago but I remember a space battle in The Reality Dysfunction as one of the most gripping I've ever seen or read.
"A 16 inch naval gun is still a 16 inch naval gun.... Merica".
Hilarious love it
Admiral Cole's last stand should have been on this list. I know it's a less known part of halo lore but the tactics are really good combining both halo lore and real world physics. The Keys loop would also be a good choice.
Nothing beats good old fashioned heavy artillery
Those 'Jump out of the Water'-Spaceships were Ridiculously badly designed.
The whole movie, actually, was just bad and full of Plot Holes if you count Idiotic Aliens as as Plot Hole.
Which you should.
I see your old-fashioned artillery and raise you orbital bombardment.
@@slevinchannel7589 if you're analyzing movie, it looks like Earth's strong magnetic field was seriously messing around with their anti-gravity drive.
James Ricker just imagine how differently that battle would have been in space. A similarly armed space battleship would have decimated the incoming fleet
And s'om good old pilot'in
Shout out to the movie Serenity, where Mal and the crew of the Firefly lure an entire horde of Reaver Ships to battle the Alliance Fleet. That was pretty epic.
In Enders game, as children they most certainly would come to understand it, that’s the point of using kids, there is no desensitizing, only becoming better at what they know to be reality
"He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking."
"From Hell's heart I stab at thee. For hates sake, I spit my last breath at thee......"
"Sulu, activate maneuvering thrusters."
"Give me more Newton, damn you!"
Aft-torpedoes ...fire!
Revenge is a dish best served cold ... it's very cold in space
Bah. Finally getting around to discovering the "sink" button isn't great strategy.
One of the few Star Trek TOS episodes to engage in prolonged space combat was Balance of Terror. While a space-based remake of The Enemy Below, it was strategy based and a battle of wits and tactics between the two captains. Perhaps, being from the 60s, it was a little too vintage for this site, but it did feature a long cat and mouse combat between the two ships.
Excuse me Science fiction strategy and you didn’t mention anything from Battlestar Galactica!?!? The Adams Maneuver is one of the best scenes in all of science fiction, the Cargo transport smuggling fighters to get close to the Cylon Tylium factory, flat he fracking final battle between Galactica and the Cylon Fleet???? Blasphemy, only thing this is
Never forget 'The Keyes Loop'
I wish they covered the Raid on Balan from Space Battleship Yamato 2199. Or the battle of the Rainbow Cluster. Both are very cool from a tactical standpoint.
They didn't just fire five cruise missiles, but torpedoes, the deck gun, the phalanx, and the M2 Browning machine guns for some reason. In short: they fired everything.
What about the kitchen sink?
@@stratometal That was being held in the Middle East awaiting deployment on an A-10.
To quote Nero "Fire everything!!!"
Full alpha strike
@@politicallyunreliable4985 LOL
My fav sci fi ship tactics was in a book series. The Lost Fleet by Jack Campbell. If there are any readers out there who enjoy mil sci fi, give it a read. The entire series is full of fleet combat and the author was a ship driver for the Navy. So he gives an interesting perspective of fleet warfare and how it would be applied to space combat.
it was Great! thanks for reminding me!
I love the Lost Fleet series and it's follow-ups. What's really interesting are the battle tactics used by Captain John "Black Jack" Geary and how he trains his--lost in deep space behind enemy lines--fleet in using them against enemy fleets. They show how space naval fleets would fight battles involving time delays. That is, what happens to tactics when opposing fleets could be light weeks, light hours, light minutes apart? There's lots of space maneuvers involved.
Simply *reverse the polarity of the neutron flow* of the gravavistic stabilisers, feeding it back through their matrix manifold via a feedback loop and you've got a critical overload and self destruct.
- Cause the last thing you should've done was let me stumble near all those buttons…
_"I got clever, I tricked people into killing themselves"…_
"I don't understand why everything in this script must inevitably explode."
For ender's game: there's a major change in the film from the original novel, that ultimately weakens the narrative considerably.
In the film, Ender's training involves him being pushed, in order to make him as skillful as possible and imbue in him a focus on victory. Some discussion is made about how it is harsh, but ultimately, the position is made that the ends justify the means. Ender uses the "little doctor" device on the alien planet during the final battle, because he is driven to win. He wants to win at all costs, and sees the use of the weapon as his only path to victory. He is shocked to find that this was a real battle, and is saddened by the killing and destruction.
In the novel, by contrast, Ender's training is much harsher and is deliberately abusive. Ender suffers greatly, both physically an psychologically. The adults who run his training know they are hurting him, but don't care; They want to create a tyrant. Ender, who is staggeringly brilliant, realizes he is trapped and is being abused, but sees no way out. Eventually, he decides that he will use the most destructive tactics possible, reasoning that by appearing to be a genocidal monster, the adults will see him as a threat, wash him out of the program, and find someone else. He chooses to use the "little doctor" on the alien planet itself, knowing that the "simulated" planet's population will be wiped out, along with the alien fleet and his own fleet. Ender knows that this tactic will kill simulated millions. When, in the novel, Ender is told that this was not a simulation at all, he is not just saddened, he is psychologically shattered. He realizes he has not pretended to kill millions, he has, in fact, committed genocide.
A couple of final revelations are in the novel that wrap it all up. First, the "buggers" are revealed to not be a universally sentient race. Most of the aliens are mindless drones, with no consciousness of their own. If these are destroyed in droves, there is no worry at all, similar to how you aren't concerned when you cut your hair. Only their queens have individual minds of their own.
Second, during the end of the first war between the humans and buggers, the queen present touched the mind of Mazer Rackham, and discovered that ALL humans are sentient, and they realize the depths of their crime. Instead of cutting down a few fingernails, easily regrown, they have cut down sentient minds by the thousands. They actually retreat from the humans, hoping that the humans would realize the mistake and forgive them. When the humans initiate the second war, the buggers understand that the humans have NOT forgiven, and realize that they will almost certainly be wiped out. When Ender comes to realize this, he makes it his mission to tell all of humanity this, and so becomes history's greatest monster, rather than humanity's savior.
Ender's Game the novel is deeply tragic; Ender himself is an abused, manipulated, and betrayed boy who is made a monster without his knowledge, and even his attempts to fight back become betrayals.
So THE best plan trek had was to use a wall of ships and run straight into an opposing wall of ships that was 2x bigger. Then fall into the enemy trap by using fighters and Hope a few cardassian ships break formation.
The only way the Fed ship, 1 ship btw, broke through was because another unplanned force, klingons, attacked.
This plan would have failed if not for the klingons and plot armor.
This plan sucks.
Yeah, the planned sucked but the feds were desperate, but they kinda badly explained some aspects of the battle in the video, about 200 ships broke through, the Defiant was just the first.
@Viktor Samoja And then the Dominion using it's more advanced scanners and intelligence will force the feds back into the same situation, they knew about the fed fleet before it left for the operation.
And what is it with the trend of filling the screen with tightly packed together ships so close to each other that a sneezing helmsman could take out a quarter of both sides?
Aegis030 And lets not forget the plan failed and the mine field was destroyed. Sisco then had to rely on the whim of worm hole aliens to destroy the entire Dominion relief force in order to fulfil his objective. Fortune favours the lucky more like.
I love my DS9 but I have to agree. All plot armour.
Where's the Adama Manoeuver?
Shame!
That's a more of a "look at size of that man's balls" moment than a tactical brilliance moment.
Which one?
@@seand.g423 Jumping into the atmosphere over New Caprica under the enemy air cap, launching vipers, and jumping out again as the Galactica is freefalling to about ten stories from the ground.
@@MonkeyJedi99 oh, thank frak! So we're not talking about... well... y'know... _that_ one.
Ah, the battle of New Caprica. Adams plan was worthy of Thrawn that day.
*The Siege of Coruscant (9 ABY - Legends)*
During Grand Admiral Thrawn's Campaign against the New Republic, he launched an attack on Coruscant. Initially, the Imperials fared well, with Home Guard Fleet commander Admiral Hiram Drayson being outmatched by Thrawn's tactical genius, and was also completely unprepared for the tactic that would later be known as the "Thrawn Slash" - using interdictor fields to pull ships out of hyperspace with relative precision, allowing for precise strikes against the Republic defenders. Eventually, Drayson was relieved by Garm Bel Iblis, a veteran millitary commander, who pulled the defending ships back, leaving Thrawn with a choice - either continue duelling with the orbital defense platforms, which could take a terrible amount of punishment, or pursue the defending ships closer to planet, thus putting his forces in range of the ground-based defenses.
However, Thrawn instead initiated his own plan. His Star Destroyers began using their tractor beams to launch something into low orbit around Coruscant - it was only after the Escort Frigate Evanrue was destroyed that these were revealed to be asteroids equipped with cloaking devices. With their payload deployed, the Imperials withdrew. What the Republic didn't know at the time was that, out of the 287 launches detected, only 22 were real asteroid launches - the remaining were faked using a feedback shunt that allowed the Star Destroyers to appear to be launching somthing without actually doing so.
Coruscant was now in a perilous position. Since the Republic could not tell where the asteroids were, they were forced to quarantine the planet, keeping the planetary shield raised for fear of one of the asteroids falling from orbit and destroying a section of the cityscape. Additionally, ships could not approach Coruscant itself for fear of being hit by one of the asteroids. This was a serious concern, as Coruscant relied on imports of food and supplies to keep its population healthy. Thrawn's strategy was not only to seriously distract the Republic leadership with the threat of the asteroids above the Capitol, but also to cause civil unrest within Coruscant's population as supplies started to run out, thus further straining Republic leadership (which had only held Coruscant for 3 years at the time).
People forget that planets habe poles. Unless delinerately inserted into a polar orbit, don't orbiting bodies get pulled into equator-parallel orbits by conservation of angular momentum and planetary gravity (orbital mechanics specialists, help, please)? Were that the case, Coruscant, which did not rely on rotational boost to orbit its ships and platforms (because anti grav) could simply semd and receive via the poles without interruptimg the flow of asteroids.
Pardon spelling, am on mobile
@@isaackellogg3493 Easy answer there - since when has Star Wars ever worried about realistic zero-g mechanics?
@@isaackellogg3493 Yes, material would in time form into a ring around the planet, and then collect into a moon.
Key word here being "in time" as in, in geological timelines, millions of years. Kessler syndrome is a very much real concern even for us with our limited spaceflight, and that is exactly what Thrawn caused. With the addition that the damn material is cloaked.
@@_Muzolf Kessler Syndrome is a problem for us because:
b) we placed mapping and espionage satellites into polar orbit deliberately; my understanding is that polar orbits do not naturally occur nor accrue due to path of least resistance, and
a) Because, due to "our limited spaceflight", we cannot, as in are unable to, use polar launches to bypass equatorial Kesslers. Not only was our North Pole historically a bone of contention between hostile space powers, but the South Pole has no nearby necessary infrastructure to support spaceflight (unless you count the ice wall that closes off the rest of Flat Earth, or the openings to Hollow Earth, which could use the temperature differential between the inside and outside to power an electric grid). On the gripping hand, chemical propellants have such a small margin of efficiency that a rotation-assisted boost into orbit is a significant savings in reaction mass--putting us in fact above the threshold of capability for any-number-of-stages-to-orbit for merely 1960's technology. Given antigrav like they have in Star Wars, the number and availability of launch windows would be exponentially greater (one can avoid rocks in one's path far more easily with a motorcycle than with a train; the fact that rocks on tracks bother trains is no indication that they would bother vehicles that do not use railraod tracks.
Since Coruscant has innumerable shipments, from IIRC millions of ships per day, they would have perforce have long since cleared out their old-legacy Kesslers (and new ones added daily!) with antigrav minesweepers. Remember how long they've been populated? This would be like mining New York harbor--the only reason that they would not be cleared out immediately would be that the minesweepers were busy elsewhere. But there would still be enterprising blockade runners who would affix railroad ties to the prows of their ships (analogizing from cloaked rocks to ships unequpped with radar, sonar, or dradis) to act as mine-trippers (better a scorched hull than a holed one). Even if we compare it to the London Blitz, the British had anti-aircraft.
But this is getting off the point, which is, Coruscant in the BY+/-100yr era is the hardest planet of all to initiate Kessler Syndrome (I suspect that once again Sci Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale). Not only is a planet super big, not only does Coruscant probably have automatic Kessler-clearers like we have sidewalks (imagine how much crap accidentally falls off millions of food ships per day), not only are ships armored against Kessler Syndrome (remeber when the Millenium Falcon came out of hyperdrive into the remains of Alderaan? Whipple shields, anyone?), but again, antigrav covers a multitude of sins.
As for the cloaking, there is no guarantee that cloaked rocks could from Force users. I'm sure that Coruscant's engineers could rig something up, even inder siege conditions. We, who don't even have our planetary neghborhood mapped yet, have no such luxury. So once again, I don't think that your Suppression by Kessler Syndrome scenario is plausible, given what we know or can reasonable extrapolate from the Star Wars Universe.
Picard Maneuver !
Make it so !
"Seems a little overkill."
Do you want it gone, or to have a chance to fight back?
Image the following. The reason why there is a huge hole in Zeta Halo when BroHammer picks up Cheif could be because the Infinity blew up, like the Autum, but Cortana wanted to keep it intact because shes looking for something.
Well, its been like 2 years from the end of halo 5, and Infinity was the last hope, so destroying it would bring us back to that gritty survival experice from halo 1. In fact, i can very well see a nearly identical version of Halo 1 happening between halo 5 and infinite. While id love to revisit that, its a story weve allready seen, which is why they jumped over it. At this point, the start of halo infinite, Cheof and BroHammer try to escape the Created, as well as reconnect with scattered UNSC forces. Remember, Infinity is MUCH bigger than Pillar of Autum, with 9000 naval crew and 7000 troops plus spartans. Its carring capability is only paralleled by the Pheonix-class's 9000 troops. Many of these forces very likly still are on the ring, and since Cortana cant blast them out by force, she has to play cat 'n mouse, were the promethians and submited covenant troops arnt anywhere nere as effective as Guardian in space. It really reminds me of that desprate yet slightly hopeful feeling the UNSC had during the war.
If nothing else, it would be a nice excuse to bring back the Point of No Return.
Brah, did you just make Battleship sound cool? 😂
Operation Return? Wut? It was an absolute Bloodbath!
The fall of DS9 was better, as it was a holding action and distraction all while sealing the wormhole, as the Federation fleet crosses the border and smashes the Dominion/Cardasian Shipyards.
Underrated comment.
It was a bloodbath, but it ended with the destruction of the fleet sent to stop the Allies, the complete disappearance of the reinforcements, and most importantly - rendered the Dominion unable to fight. It was a game of chess, and nearly all of the pieces were sacrificed, but they got what they came for and inflicted many times their loss.
@@abstractedaway but it had nothing to do with the strategy, this video is about brilliant strategies
Personally, i like Enders Game. It was pretty cool movie. I know, kinda silly, for children etc, but war IS a game. You play to win with anything you can use. There is no limits if humanity is in danger.
Have you read the book? I strongly recommend you do. It is worth it I promise
The strategy reminds me of how Chaos were finally able to beat Cadia in Warhammer.
Awesome book an was on USMC Commandant reading list for junior troops last I remember.
I was gonna be pissed if Ender wasn't featured
The Adeptus Astartes have the best battlefield strategy, Kill Everything!
You say that, but clever tactics are actually one of their hallmarks, even those chapters we think of as just charging straight at the enemy in a frenzied bloodlust. Like the Black Templars, fighting a Khornate horde that outnumber them hundreds to one, actually engaging the Khornates then falling back before the bulk of the horde can respond and repeating this, until they have provoked them into giving n to their mindless bloodlust and turned on one another, letting the Templars get down to the business of purging the unclean having negated their numbers advantage.
@@weldonwin I'd like to introduce the guys who made this video to such gems as the Calth Atrocity, the Dropsite Massacre, and the Siege of Terra. Hell, even just seeing the Alpha Legions ordered chaos prelude to the invasion of Pluto before the siege is a masterwork of tactical planning.
And that's just a few small parts of the Heresy, let alone the other 10,000 years since.
MARINES MALEVOLENT HOOO HA!
@@tiggerbane4325 No, those guys are just massive, MASSIVE Warp-Spawned Thundercunts, hated by everyone
Tip: to defeat the tyr*COUGH* Bloodthirster, shoot it until it dies
Yippee you turned the Christmas lights on it’s never too early for Christmas that’s one thing I love about generation films and tech is Christmas trees thank you Alan
13:29 ofcourse, the foul xenos can only mimic the Perfection of Man, for only Man is perfect and destined to rule.
Yes. Humanity shall spread across not just *THIS* galaxy, but the whole universe. We shall subjugate all sentient life to our will, or slaughter those who don't bend the knee.
@@hunterv9983 AVE IMPERATOR! THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!
And once we have bent even Chaos over a barrel, and raped it into a coma, the Imperium of Man shall consume the Multiverse.
Can’t win battles with just man power. Laughs in imperial guard.
10:04
My dad in the navy complained as much. He also said that would shear the ships keel, but that would ruin the amazing action shot
Loved that scene, in that movie where they played "Thunderstruck" as they got the Battleship ready for battle. I didn't think that movie was as bad as others thought, it had it's moments lol. :D
Side note USS Missouri was refitted in 1986 so the ship was modernized by the time of the movie Battleship so that means the old girl can still kick a** like no other
Yeah but with old tech I’d still take a burke ddg
Reminds me of Harry Turtledove's World War series where aliens invade during WWII. The Germans use one of their super massive railguns to attack landed alien ships and the aliens respond with defensive missiles to shoot down the artillery shells -- except the missiles just splat into the huge artillery shells like flies into a windshield.
Rail gun has a different meaning in modern usage!
@@meowcat9636 *Railway gun
I prefer the British tactic of putting radars on planes and waiting until the Lizards fired anti radiation missiles at them and then switching them off so they waisted loads of them 😂.
@@aaronmaxwell7475 The aliens in World War are so interesting in that they are so much more technologically advanced than humanity but simultaneously "dumber" and far more linear in how they think than humans. In the Colonization series, I find the sardonic irony of Himmler halfway concluding that the human species as a whole is a kind of "master race" compared to the Lizards very amusing.
I can’t remember who wrote this story line but the best outer space strategy is to push a small moon into your opponents home worlds gravity well. You can imagine the destruction.
Ra salvatore had the vong in star wars use a creature that could manipulate gravity to pull the moon into the planet. This led to the destruction of the planet and the death of chewbacca, which led to death threats from the fan base.
Serenity. Bringing the Reavers to the Alliance Fleet.
Like 1 out of these 5 was an ACTUAL strategy, rest were just lucky plot devices or overpowered special weapons.
No mention of all the truly well thought out battles in multiple Star Trek -series, no mention of Babylon 5, no mention of Battlestar Galactica and no mention of Legend of Galactic Heroes.
SDF Macross and the Battle of Saturn.
oh, hell yeah....was it saturn, a bit rusty, haven't read the books lately....was that the Daedalus maneuver, first time go, since the main guns didn't work?
@@ebee-uz1oz battle of Saturn was the first use of the Deadelus Attack. And it was the pinpoint barrier draining power for the main gun.
@@barrybend7189 oh yeah.....thats right, they used the barrier at the ends of a carrier to punch through the ship, then Destroids unleashed some serious hate. like i said, its been awhile since i read those books.
@@ebee-uz1oz read it? I watched the original Macross all 36 episodes.
@@barrybend7189 i got the show too, when it hit DVD (books are better, describes Lang and his encounter within the wreck of SDF1) I just got a bit behind on watching.....trying to catch up on Expanse (Bad Ass Show)
What about in Babylon 5 when John Sheridan's maneuver to take out the entire Earth Fleet at Mars using telepaths to connect to their ships and disable them so his fleet can fly straight to Earth and take out Clark virtually unmolested after taking out the planetary defense system?
There is no “s” in Enders’ last name. Wiggin.
Can’t forget Admiral Cole’s last stand at the Battle of Psi Serpentis. Outnumbered 3-1, successful Slipspace hop, tricking the Covenant into splitting their fleet in half, using a planet’s magnetic field to disrupt Covenant weaponry, a surprise guerilla strike from a rebel fleet, and capping it all off with causing a brown dwarf to go supernova as a final “fuck you”. Halo at its best.
And then he most likely escapes by slipspacing out of the ensuing fireball...while falling face-first into the sudden sun he created.
What a boss.
"Including coffee..."
Me pensa you American Ben almost as obsessed with The Expanse as me sasa ke?
Hows man not mention anything from BSG . Hand of the gods was tactical genius and exodus was brilliant
Your missing captain Sheridan at zahadoom , that was one of the very best for actually showing strategy.
Surprised the Shadows were that ignorant in not securing his White Star ship. IMO, his battle against the Minbari Black Star was a better one to mention.
Either way Sheridan should be on this list, what was they called him “star killer” that writing I think best showed strategy, I feel that is hard to portray in almost all .
@@ivanfreely6366- the Shadows couldn't come in contact with Vorlon technology- sort of a matter/antimatter concept in metaphor- which the White Star was partly based on (note how Anna recoiled from some Vorlon tech onboard, and she was just a human under Shadow influence), and the Drakh seemed unfamiliar with the interior of the ship later on, likely not being allowed near it (because what slavemaster wants to let his slaves get near a weapon that could potentially hurt them?). The Shadows also didn't recognize the danger because the warheads were inert until the command was sent to activate them. They were Gaim nukes designed specifically to avoid Shadow scanners, appearing as nothing more than ship components until activated.
@@BreandanOCiarrai Thanks for reminding me about the incompatibility between Shadow/Vorlon tech. Was the Gaim nukes mentioned in the TV series or in the books?
I actually enjoyed some of the Battleship movie
It's a classic just like Wing Commander and Battlefield Earth. They just get better with age.
The keyes loop from halo man, when I read it, I was flabergasted
A maneuver that'd impress Thrawn.
Still hoping that you'll talk about Legend of the Galactic Heroes (anime or novel) or The Lost Fleet book series, both of which have smart and logical space tactics.
Lost fleet series was a good read, enjoyed them immensely ... I just always flinched when they fired at space stations from millions of kilometers and they sat there and waited for the end, no small orbit-correctional thrusters ... no ? sigh ....
The Battle of Thoth Station is absolutely my favorite Sci-Fi space battle ever depicted.
Battlestar Galactica: The Adama Maneuver
Yeah seriously why wasn't this on the list
AKA how to bellyflop a battleship into an atmosphere.
I was looking for this comment, coolest maneuver ever, even has a name.
who wins? Adama/Thrawn?
@@JeanLucCaptain Thrawn, easily.
The aliens destroyed our most advanced warships with ease. Solution: bring out o World War II Battleship. A 16 in gun is still a 16 in gun and a 46 cm gun is still a 46 cm gun.
If it ain't broke dont fix it
You can't jam ballistic reckoning.
One that I cherish is in Star Trek when Ryker's ship shows up to the battle but from a different plane than that of the enemies already engaged in the battle. My pet peeve on space battles is that they are typically shown as "Us vs Them" lined up Face-2-Face against each other like the British used to adopt as their strategy in the 1800's. If ships are being brought in from various quadrants of the galaxy, they would be approaching from different points of origin and from differing vectors. [Enter conversation about mustering forces here] :)
Loved seeing all three of you in the same video! Keep up the fantastic work guys.
P.S. I'm sorry but I have to admit that I don't care one bit about the Star Trek content in any video you guys make.
Have you watched star trek? I hadnt until a week ago when I said screw it and started binge watching and I have to say its not too shabby. At least in the next generation its actually pretty good and I dont regret it. Its all on Netflix if you havent seen any of it
How did the "Death Blossom" not make this list?
I mean, there was more strategy in that silly, glorious 80s flick than there was in that DS9 battle. (There were other, strategically superior battles in DS9, to be fair).
Don’t forget the Keyes Loop from Halo
Ender's game -- the point of using children was, in part, about having someone empathetic enough, and unjaded enough to really understand an enemy. However, the empathetic kids, they, knew, would not be brutal enough to crush their enemy, hence presenting it as training simulations.
One thing you forgot about the MD Device - the fighter starting the chain reaction was burning up, and Ender advises the pilot to focus the beams (They have to converge where the reaction starts) on the ATMOSPHERE instead of the planet itself - the atmosphere is mass, too, after all.
I liked the raid on the concentration camp in Battlestar Galactica where they used the FTL drive in the atmosphere in order to release fighters as close to the camp as possible. It was a dangerous gamble but paid off.
That battleship scene in Battleship was worth the rest of the movie It was so nice to watch a Battleship Be a Battleship and fire those huge guns.
Hope to see u guys talk about why Earth based firearms should be seen in Star Wars. Also what firearms would u guys prefer.
Their Star Wars channel Generation Tech has already made a video on the topic
already done
@@marcolu5395 I know, just want updated version.