Thanks for your great comment. Yes Kim is a bit special. Keen to please, works all day, but happy to have a sleep between retrieves. Your wee Cocker dog Ted also looks good, keen as mustard. I also have a Cocker called Ted, but he is getting on a bit. The hearing is going, but he still enjoys a day out at the Pigeons.
@@kennywillmitt6404 Always had labs, this is my first cocker ... hes a live wire,but as long as im patient he will get there im sure ✌✌🇬🇧🇬🇧but i also have Will,hes a yellow dog !
@@MELLYBOY58 Yes, Cockers are hard to train, but are very loyal and what we in Scotland call "couthy". I trialled ESS for years and enjoyed every minute of it. They said my dogs were good, pity about the handler. If you get a chance, please have a look at my other videos, like and subscribe.
We have used various different types of decoys, including flappers and found that the ones we currently use work fine. It can make all the difference to the success of the day, just adding that bit of motion. It's interesting to hear all of the different views on flappers, floaters, rotary machines and decoy types in general. The main thing for us is trying to make the pattern look as realistic and inviting as possible, replacing plastic decoys with real dead pigeons, as the day progresses. If we know we will be shooting the next day, we will keep back a dozen or so dead pigeons as decoys. Many a time, simply changing the pattern slightly can make all the difference. When pigeons are overshot, especially where rotary devices are used, the pigeons become shy and veer away. Recognising and acting on these subtle signals, takes practice. 50 years on and I am still learning.
@@kennywillmitt6404 Did you look at how fast my flapper went?.... I make all my own kit as the shop stuff falls apart. The only time a pigeon flaps slowly is after it has been shot... I don't send my dogs until or any long ones need picking as it breaks the flight line with a dog running through the pattern... Just like you don't shoot duck when your dog is swimming for duck in the river. ruclips.net/video/AZNGNI1Q3Hk/видео.html ruclips.net/video/bPc40sXFl5s/видео.html
@@theessexhunter1305 As I said, everyone has different views on this. However the priority when sending the dog should be to retrieve any wounded birds first. Otherwise we will wait for a lull in activity, pick up dead birds, turn over ones lying belly up and get back in the hide as quickly as possible. We also do a fair bit of wildfowling, inland, foreshore and from boats. On tidal areas or fast flowing rivers, the priority is to retrieve any wounded or dead birds before they disappear. All shooting stops during this process.
@@kennywillmitt6404 You never said if you watched the flapper video? Yes picking up chipped birds but with duck we will shoot a flapping one as often they dive and are gone in a second which with a teal or widgeon they will crawl get over one part into a creek causing no end of searching. Same as the pigeons if they are in range shoot them again if chipped. You don't have dogs running in on driven days as birds are picked after the drive after the whistle is blown.....
@@theessexhunter1305 Yes I watched both of your videos and yes your flapper is flapping fast. As I said we find our flappers work fine at drawing in the pigeons at the relatively slow pace, however I have never seen or used one flapping that fast. I also have an elderly Cocker. He loves going shooting and will happily sit all day in a hide. I also agree that it is important to dispatch wounded ducks with a second/third shot to avoid them diving and or disappearing into the reeds. On a fast flowing river like the Tay birds can disappear fast, especially in choppy water.
Dog works at a nice pace ..no dramas ✌✌🇬🇧🇬🇧
Thanks for your great comment. Yes Kim is a bit special. Keen to please, works all day, but happy to have a sleep between retrieves. Your wee Cocker dog Ted also looks good, keen as mustard. I also have a Cocker called Ted, but he is getting on a bit. The hearing is going, but he still enjoys a day out at the Pigeons.
@@kennywillmitt6404 Always had labs, this is my first cocker ... hes a live wire,but as long as im patient he will get there im sure ✌✌🇬🇧🇬🇧but i also have Will,hes a yellow dog !
@@MELLYBOY58 Yes, Cockers are hard to train, but are very loyal and what we in Scotland call "couthy". I trialled ESS for years and enjoyed every minute of it. They said my dogs were good, pity about the handler. If you get a chance, please have a look at my other videos, like and subscribe.
@@kennywillmitt6404 Done 👍
@@MELLYBOY58 Ditto
Muy buenas cazerias amigos saludos🇪🇨🇪🇨🇪🇨👍
Thank you again.
This is how fast you want a flapper going...retro fitted a big motor to my home made unit..
ruclips.net/video/Vx4AsMOX2U0/видео.html Dog looked happy.
We have used various different types of decoys, including flappers and found that the ones we currently use work fine. It can make all the difference to the success of the day, just adding that bit of motion.
It's interesting to hear all of the different views on flappers, floaters, rotary machines and decoy types in general. The main thing for us is trying to make the pattern look as realistic and inviting as possible, replacing plastic decoys with real dead pigeons, as the day progresses. If we know we will be shooting the next day, we will keep back a dozen or so dead pigeons as decoys.
Many a time, simply changing the pattern slightly can make all the difference. When pigeons are overshot, especially where rotary devices are used, the pigeons become shy and veer away. Recognising and acting on these subtle signals, takes practice.
50 years on and I am still learning.
@@kennywillmitt6404 Did you look at how fast my flapper went?....
I make all my own kit as the shop stuff falls apart.
The only time a pigeon flaps slowly is after it has been shot...
I don't send my dogs until or any long ones need picking as it breaks the flight line with a dog running through the pattern...
Just like you don't shoot duck when your dog is swimming for duck in the river.
ruclips.net/video/AZNGNI1Q3Hk/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/bPc40sXFl5s/видео.html
@@theessexhunter1305 As I said, everyone has different views on this. However the priority when sending the dog should be to retrieve any wounded birds first. Otherwise we will wait for a lull in activity, pick up dead birds, turn over ones lying belly up and get back in the hide as quickly as possible.
We also do a fair bit of wildfowling, inland, foreshore and from boats. On tidal areas or fast flowing rivers, the priority is to retrieve any wounded or dead birds before they disappear. All shooting stops during this process.
@@kennywillmitt6404 You never said if you watched the flapper video?
Yes picking up chipped birds but with duck we will shoot a flapping one as often they dive and are gone in a second which with a teal or widgeon they will crawl get over one part into a creek causing no end of searching. Same as the pigeons if they are in range shoot them again if chipped. You don't have dogs running in on driven days as birds are picked after the drive after the whistle is blown.....
@@theessexhunter1305 Yes I watched both of your videos and yes your flapper is flapping fast. As I said we find our flappers work fine at drawing in the pigeons at the relatively slow pace, however I have never seen or used one flapping that fast. I also have an elderly Cocker. He loves going shooting and will happily sit all day in a hide.
I also agree that it is important to dispatch wounded ducks with a second/third shot to avoid them diving and or disappearing into the reeds. On a fast flowing river like the Tay birds can disappear fast, especially in choppy water.