Gents, interesting discussion on Stammer, loyalty and insulting offers. As a lifelong Wings fan, we had to endure the decade-long effects of loyalty contracts. I would have much preferred Kenny moving on from 2-3 of those ultimately bad contracts to lessen the degree of the rebuild. Yes, it would have been disloyal to a couple guys that won you cups but it would have been more loyal to the fanbase that pays the bills. I say this as a 40+ year season ticket holder. Regarding Stammer, the biggest problem is not that Brisbois moved on from Stammer, but the way that he did it. That contract offer was indeed insulting to a future HOF-er.
It's hard, I understand what JBB is doing because you have the young core that has time left to win again and keeping stamkos hinders that. Sign him then others will have to go. There is a valid point to telling Stamkos they will build around you and you can stay a bolt for life but you have to take a major discount. Remember that jagr asked to be traded from the pens because he knew the team would be terrible if they kept him with is contract.
If my memory serves right, I believe Frank Seravelli now has to eat a stick of butter on camera. hey SPORTSNET you need to make sure he follows through on this!
Isn't Tampa the team that bought out Lecavalier (not to mention having taken the "C" away from him when he was younger in the first place)? That pissed Marty St. Louis so much that he asked to be traded? This team is hard on its captains.
Hakanpaa was my favorite pick up he played 19 minutes a game #1 penalty killer was there #4 before he got hurt he is the best value contract signed today he is big and reliable love him
Lmfao there is not enough hockey to talk about during the summer. Even the nhl networks programs stop during the offseason. 😂 happens in every league 😂
I’m with Sammy and Kyper on this stamkos stuff. But a fine and valid point by JB as well. The whole thing is just sour. Brisebois’ time has to be up VERY soon. Especially when all of this backfires. And also…. The fans have every right to be pissed at this.
How does Luke fox cover the leafs for a living and the guy is out to lunch on the contract talks. Domi didn’t take any less to stay in Toronto? On a prove it deal, the guy was one of the best value contracts in the league and signed for less than a million more while still in his prime. When Marner was out, he stepped up to the plate and actually made Marner look expendable as a set up man. And no surprise, he’s a perennial top 20 primary assist man in this league. Marners upside over Domi is his defensive game/pk speciality and yet the leafs had a bottom 10 pk in the league. Give your head a shake luke
Loyalty is a two way street, and JB is right a lot of these superstars hold their teams hostage, see Matthews and his "I love Leafs but I need to be the leagues highest paid!" Despite never delivering when it matters most. 10 Rockets will never equal 1 Stanley?
With 32 teams and prolonged careers these days, nobody should expect to stay with one team for their whole career. What was embarrassing was the offer from Tampa. They should have just told him they were moving on in the first place. The problem was that Tampa wanted it both ways. They would have re-signed Stammer if they couldn't get Guentzel or an equivalent. That being said, certain players have done similar things to their own team. It's a business, stop thinking with your heart :)
Love Stammer. But this roster needs a reset. Tough decision to move on from him but it was the right move. Preds overpaid. Now the argument begins as wether the Guentzel signing was the right move.
If Tanev , Zadorov and Hanifan, were as good as you guys say they are, why wasn’t Calgary better, and don’t blame coaching. All are overrated, for what they are getting paid.
Calgarys offense was the issue and yes the coaching was a problem too. Daryll sutter should never have been brought back. I'm not a fan of any of the Canadian teams but even I can recognize that sutter was not the answer there. Ownership also has a part to play in all of this too. Their owner is meddling in everything and ruins absolutely everything.
You talk about stammer this year with Tampa and the money what about Johnny T next year, talking about taking team friendly number. What’s that going to be?
@@baohoaily Wrong. It was Stamkos that was one of the reasons they went to 3 Straight Finals and won 2 Cups in 3 years. If they didn't have Stamkos back then, there wouldn't be any titles let alone Finals appearances.
Nashville isn't lifting anything. Stamkos' and Mars' best years are behind them. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see Stammers numbers drop sharply in a year or two. But you guys are a hell of a lot more than two aging players away from lifting a Stanley Cup. Look what Edmonton did - two goals away from winning a Cup, and they got BETTER. Evander Kane will have surgery on his hip and sports hernia and will be LTIR'd for the season, but will be back 100% healthy for the playoffs. Here's the Oilers playoff roster as it stands right now (and you can bet more will be coming at the trade deadline: line 1: McDavid/Jeff Skinner/Hyman line 2: Draisaitl/Holloway/Arvidsson line 3: RNH (Nugent-Hopkins)/Evander Kane/ Ryan Mcleod (Corey Perry or Connor Brown could fill in here as needed) line 4 : Henrique/Janmark/Connor Brown extras : Corey Perry Derick Ryan Defense: Ekholm/Bouchard Nurse/Broberg Kulak/Ceci Goalies: Skinner Pickard You think the Preds can get by that? Good luck with that lmao
Kypreos "I hear they may buy out Kane" really? You're the only one who said that (wishful thinking homer???). Kane will have surgery and be LTIR'd, and will return 100% healthy for the playoffs - Oilers do exactly what Tampa and Vegas does. Kipper, really?? LMAO
Forget the fact that he's only played for the Lightning, the guy in a contract year, put up 40 goals. 40 freaking goals! if he's willing to take 4/$24 mil ill sign him in a heartbeat I think this is dumb. Because they could have gotten Guetzel and Stammer
@@steverapos3904vasy returned from back surgery sooner than he was supposed to. I think after finally getting a full offseason of rest he will be back to normal. Before this last season he had played nearly 60 more games than every other goalie from 2020-2023. He got worn out. He went to 3 straight cup finals
@@steverapos3904vasy from the 2019-2020 playoffs in august of 2020 to the end of the 2022-2023 playoffs had played a total of 242 games. The next closest is connor hellebuyck at 192 games during that stretch. He played basically a whole seasons worth more of games than anyone else.
Zadorov will be swallowing chicklets courtesy of Reaves... size means nothing when it comes to Reaves. He beat up the Frankenstein from the Rangers. Zadorov will get the same.
This is why buildings go empty when they aren't winning. The fans gotta have their guy, and i think Stamkos was their guy. Yep, bad Karma is real. Just ask Toronto fans, lol. Oh wait, i am. Peace ✌️ 😎.
To be honest I always forgot Stamko was still on the Lighting. I think of Hedman, Koch, Val before him. Maroon was more of face of those 2 cups. Now that he’s gone. It hits me that he was such a C of a franchise team.
What I would like to know is why Marner a pro athlete looks scared shitless playing in the playoffs. I think something is going on man behind the scenes. Something is seriously wrong with the team. They do not look like elete players in playoffs. Nylander maybe only exception . Regardless of whatever is going on with Marner the guy wont be traded....too tough to pull off now and teams probably dont want to pay remaining contract...would like to know the number though. That said I predict Leafs will have an off year and not make the playoffs. Called it first.. Nothing to do with Domi signing though.
Gents, interesting discussion on Stammer, loyalty and insulting offers. As a lifelong Wings fan, we had to endure the decade-long effects of loyalty contracts. I would have much preferred Kenny moving on from 2-3 of those ultimately bad contracts to lessen the degree of the rebuild. Yes, it would have been disloyal to a couple guys that won you cups but it would have been more loyal to the fanbase that pays the bills. I say this as a 40+ year season ticket holder. Regarding Stammer, the biggest problem is not that Brisbois moved on from Stammer, but the way that he did it. That contract offer was indeed insulting to a future HOF-er.
It's hard, I understand what JBB is doing because you have the young core that has time left to win again and keeping stamkos hinders that. Sign him then others will have to go. There is a valid point to telling Stamkos they will build around you and you can stay a bolt for life but you have to take a major discount. Remember that jagr asked to be traded from the pens because he knew the team would be terrible if they kept him with is contract.
If my memory serves right, I believe Frank Seravelli now has to eat a stick of butter on camera. hey SPORTSNET you need to make sure he follows through on this!
At least it won’t be his first time
wow 2 elliotte friedmans what a scoop!
Isn't Tampa the team that bought out Lecavalier (not to mention having taken the "C" away from him when he was younger in the first place)? That pissed Marty St. Louis so much that he asked to be traded?
This team is hard on its captains.
What the hell happened with the editing here
Sportsnet happened.
Was that a question? lol Editing
Hakanpaa was my favorite pick up he played 19 minutes a game #1 penalty killer was there #4 before he got hurt he is the best value contract signed today he is big and reliable love him
Our blue line is starting to look pretty nice imo. Big and strong
Happy Canada Day to your producer and video editor eh? At least Bourney kinda showed up 😂
Keep show going through summer please........no baseball or golf talk ever
Lmfao there is not enough hockey to talk about during the summer. Even the nhl networks programs stop during the offseason. 😂 happens in every league 😂
Love it !!! Happy Canada 🇨🇦 day 🎉🎉
I’m with Sammy and Kyper on this stamkos stuff. But a fine and valid point by JB as well. The whole thing is just sour. Brisebois’ time has to be up VERY soon. Especially when all of this backfires. And also…. The fans have every right to be pissed at this.
Briseboiś goes and signs Hedmen 34 years old. To an $8m x 4 years. Why not keep Serg sign Stammer. He's toast unless this works out gangbusters.
Yzerman is the man behind tampas success, not briesbois
How does Luke fox cover the leafs for a living and the guy is out to lunch on the contract talks. Domi didn’t take any less to stay in Toronto? On a prove it deal, the guy was one of the best value contracts in the league and signed for less than a million more while still in his prime. When Marner was out, he stepped up to the plate and actually made Marner look expendable as a set up man. And no surprise, he’s a perennial top 20 primary assist man in this league. Marners upside over Domi is his defensive game/pk speciality and yet the leafs had a bottom 10 pk in the league. Give your head a shake luke
Loyalty is a two way street, and JB is right a lot of these superstars hold their teams hostage, see Matthews and his "I love Leafs but I need to be the leagues highest paid!" Despite never delivering when it matters most. 10 Rockets will never equal 1 Stanley?
With 32 teams and prolonged careers these days, nobody should expect to stay with one team for their whole career. What was embarrassing was the offer from Tampa. They should have just told him they were moving on in the first place. The problem was that Tampa wanted it both ways. They would have re-signed Stammer if they couldn't get Guentzel or an equivalent. That being said, certain players have done similar things to their own team. It's a business, stop thinking with your heart :)
Love Stammer. But this roster needs a reset. Tough decision to move on from him but it was the right move. Preds overpaid. Now the argument begins as wether the Guentzel signing was the right move.
4 million for 8 years would be same amount he got in Nashville
Funny no one that canucks traded for at the deadline wanted to to stay there bahahahaha
Funny the Oilers blew their shot at the cup and will never get back to the final in the McDavid era hahahahahaha
@@RyobiCEOcorry Perry resigned that’s good sign that we are going to the cup again hater
What’s there to talk about lol
@@Mattoilers97 and LOSING lol
If Tanev , Zadorov and Hanifan, were as good as you guys say they are, why wasn’t Calgary better, and don’t blame coaching. All are overrated, for what they are getting paid.
Calgarys offense was the issue and yes the coaching was a problem too. Daryll sutter should never have been brought back. I'm not a fan of any of the Canadian teams but even I can recognize that sutter was not the answer there. Ownership also has a part to play in all of this too. Their owner is meddling in everything and ruins absolutely everything.
You talk about stammer this year with Tampa and the money what about Johnny T next year, talking about taking team friendly number. What’s that going to be?
Please fine sammy when he speaks of baseball and golf
Sammy a complete idiot doesn’t deserve to be on this show
Leafs going back to the bargain bin for their starting goalie. Better hope Woll can stay healthy for the season.
At least Edmonton a cup contender team leafs still stuck in first round
@@Mattoilers97 Not a cup winner . No one remembers 2nd place . Enjoy your participation ribbon lolol
@@Mattoilers97so they lost. cool story bro
@@Nathanielhiggerson66lmfao if it was leafs that made the finals and lost you’d be butt hurt enjoy first round exit again
@@Mattoilers97 You’re delusional to think I’m a Leafs fan
Bet 365 pay the maple leaf team taxes
Absolutely loved what Sam was saying around the 14 min mark. This is the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made
❤like always guys said like it is , speak the reality!!
Tampa made one of the biggest mistakes ever in letting Stamkos go. They're going to feel really bad once Stamkos lifts a Cup in Nashville.
LoL, because him in Tampa was why they won the cup this year.
@@baohoaily Wrong. It was Stamkos that was one of the reasons they went to 3 Straight Finals and won 2 Cups in 3 years. If they didn't have Stamkos back then, there wouldn't be any titles let alone Finals appearances.
Nashville isn't lifting anything. Stamkos' and Mars' best years are behind them. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see Stammers numbers drop sharply in a year or two. But you guys are a hell of a lot more than two aging players away from lifting a Stanley Cup. Look what Edmonton did - two goals away from winning a Cup, and they got BETTER. Evander Kane will have surgery on his hip and sports hernia and will be LTIR'd for the season, but will be back 100% healthy for the playoffs. Here's the Oilers playoff roster as it stands right now (and you can bet more will be coming at the trade deadline:
line 1: McDavid/Jeff Skinner/Hyman
line 2: Draisaitl/Holloway/Arvidsson
line 3: RNH (Nugent-Hopkins)/Evander Kane/ Ryan Mcleod (Corey Perry or Connor Brown could fill in here as needed)
line 4 : Henrique/Janmark/Connor Brown
extras : Corey Perry Derick Ryan
Defense:
Ekholm/Bouchard
Nurse/Broberg
Kulak/Ceci
Goalies:
Skinner
Pickard
You think the Preds can get by that? Good luck with that lmao
@@KptKrunch9481well mcleod is gone.
@@musicman76enatorstamkos played 1 shift in one of those 2 cup runs...
I'm not even a Tampa fan and I'm mad that Tampa dumped their captain, but as a business person... I get it.
Kypreos "I hear they may buy out Kane" really? You're the only one who said that (wishful thinking homer???). Kane will have surgery and be LTIR'd, and will return 100% healthy for the playoffs - Oilers do exactly what Tampa and Vegas does. Kipper, really?? LMAO
What if Stamkos saw that Tamba Bay isn't worth it and decided that he wants to move on?
Rynheart contract is a 11 million in Toronto he would make same as he just signed with how much taxes taken so he signed for same ish as Mitch
Forget the fact that he's only played for the Lightning, the guy in a contract year, put up 40 goals. 40 freaking goals! if he's willing to take 4/$24 mil ill sign him in a heartbeat I think this is dumb. Because they could have gotten Guetzel and Stammer
kuchov is better than stamkos, so is vasy...tampa had 3 stars before they had 0 issue dumping, including a captain.
They will probably dump Vasy next, he is not the same goalie he was during those cup runs
@@steverapos3904vasy returned from back surgery sooner than he was supposed to. I think after finally getting a full offseason of rest he will be back to normal. Before this last season he had played nearly 60 more games than every other goalie from 2020-2023. He got worn out. He went to 3 straight cup finals
@@steverapos3904vasy from the 2019-2020 playoffs in august of 2020 to the end of the 2022-2023 playoffs had played a total of 242 games. The next closest is connor hellebuyck at 192 games during that stretch. He played basically a whole seasons worth more of games than anyone else.
Which leaf gets crushed by Zadorov first?
Marner right after they resign him
Which man at the dusty bar you drink at is your real father?
Zadorov will be swallowing chicklets courtesy of Reaves... size means nothing when it comes to Reaves. He beat up the Frankenstein from the Rangers. Zadorov will get the same.
Damn it's tough to listen to Bourne...
Marner for Crosby I'd take that all day everyday.
Nice lid Elliot
This is why buildings go empty when they aren't winning. The fans gotta have their guy, and i think Stamkos was their guy. Yep, bad Karma is real. Just ask Toronto fans, lol. Oh wait, i am. Peace ✌️ 😎.
WTH are the Leafs signing Matt Murray for? He steps on the ice and he gets hurt. He should be retired.
To be honest I always forgot Stamko was still on the Lighting. I think of Hedman, Koch, Val before him. Maroon was more of face of those 2 cups.
Now that he’s gone. It hits me that he was such a C of a franchise team.
Bourne, you out of of your mind as per usual. So naive, I cant even believe that you actually played the game
Why cant toronto buy out Tavares and marner then trade them out of town.
If you buy out a player, they are a free agent, you cant trade them
It is still 11 mil each cap hit
Elliot came back to make sure everything he said was understood
What I would like to know is why Marner a pro athlete looks scared shitless playing in the playoffs. I think something is going on man behind the scenes. Something is seriously wrong with the team. They do not look like elete players in playoffs. Nylander maybe only exception . Regardless of whatever is going on with Marner the guy wont be traded....too tough to pull off now and teams probably dont want to pay remaining contract...would like to know the number though. That said I predict Leafs will have an off year and not make the playoffs. Called it first.. Nothing to do with Domi signing though.
Lol they won’t miss the playoffs..
He wants to be at home playing Fortnite
I said that first last season. They proved me wrong
Hainsey wasn't RH