I think the born from one god, therefore empyrean mistake comes from affirming the consequent. “My car broke down, therefore I was late to work” does not mean “I was late for work, therefore my car broke down.” There are plenty of things that can make you late for work. Likewise, having a mono-god origin could be one of many qualities that can establish empyrean status. We just don’t have enough information to draw a hard line at a single god brith to be a necessity.
Ranni is amongst the most intriguing From characters ever made due to her Machiavellian ways. On one hand, she had altruistic intentions for all of humanity, sacrificing her family and body in order to empower people (mistranslation or not). But on the other hand, she cold-heartedly orchestrated the murder of the most benevelont demigod Godwyn, inadvertedly spreading Deathroot and chaos worldwide. Personally think this was unjust, but we can only hope that it works out in the end.
Honestly just like with miquella until the dlc for all we know Godwyn could’ve been a horrible person, I don’t trust anything the golden order regards as good. There’s also two theories about why Godwyn of all people, some say he was in on it, wanting to become the prince of death, some say that that the fingers wanted ranni to be married to Godwyn so he would become her lord, so who else fitting to share the death that departed her from the control of the two fingers than the other participant in their plans
Kinda sad how there isn’t more lore connecting Rellana to her sister and niece, as I had thought that maybe the tree sister may be in some reference to her as well. As the sister to a queen is still a princess (I’m pretty sure) and the reason she doesn’t have the title in game, is because she renounced it to follow Mesmir.
I will say in more confidence after SotE DLC that Ranni is most likely (somehow) the twin of Godwyn. Of the pairings: Rykard/Radahn is logical but never called out, Melina/Messmer are sions of the Deathbird/Snake-god of death with visions of flame, Godrick/Godfroy (if indeed direct demigod offspring of Marika) are both runts of the litter. I also wondered why Ranni picked Godwyn out of other targets to give half the Cursemark of Death. Could she pick an easier demigod like one of the no-named that died during the Night of the Black Knives to escape her empyrean body, reducing the chances of failing by using someone not so beloved and high profile? No lore calls out if Ranni had any particular dislike of Godwyn. Ranni and Godwyn also have some parallels: Paragons of Moon and Sun, respectively, and they both befriended dragons after besting them and fought for them until death, like the ancient dragon Fortissax after the dragon war, fighting off Godwyn's Death, while Ranni made the Flying Drake Adula (the younger generation hunted by the ancient dragon) her knight (after likely eating too many Raya Lucaria students).
Forgive me mistaking the two carian sisters' names since it's so similar, but where does ranni's aunt, which is sister to her mother, play into this ? In the dlc, we fought rennala and I believe the lore said she gave up her birth right as a princess for Messmer cause, right? Man, I wish she spoke and said something to us as we fought her because it's so much missing .
Rellana is proof that there are two moons. Whether they are the moons Ranni and Rennala saw, or if each Carian Royal met their own moons is unclear. Rellana is a wonderful character because she mixes up what impressions the base game left us with regarding the moon and "celestial bodies". She also has ties to Ymir, who is a lore bomb in his own right.
Rellana and Messmer beautifully mirror Rennala and Radagon. Both warmongers with flaming red hair, and a lunar astrologer at their side. History repeats in a spiral, and they symbolise that
I'm so happy someone else echos what I think about the 3 sisters somewhat. I had the theory that Renna is the eldest, Ranni is the middle, and the 3rd sister would be the youngest based on tower alignment
My Guts Berserk build. I’m at NG+4 atm. My playthrough endings have been Frenzied Flame, Blessing of Despair, Duskborn, Mend the Elden Ring, Perfect Order and next cycle my canon ending, Age of the Stars. Good timing bro love your work.
It’s funny to think that if the ymir is correct about his musings of the Moon and stars, then her plans to escape the control or influence of the greater will are kinda moot? Maybe not moot, as we don’t know exactly what the control means, i mean obviously she killed her emperyan body, but i mean it’s just all still apart of the greater will.
@ that’s already implied in my post and not really my point. My point is her wanting to free the lands between from the influence of the greater will and outer gods, and i’m questioning if what we found out in the DLC makes her plan moot or not.
I have to disagree on the notion that Renna and Ranni could be considered sisters. There are a multitude of reasons and I've established some in my replies to other comments on this video. I'll quickly go over my points. 1. Renna is described as an old crone. I find it hard to believe that this doesn't place Renna on the same age range or even potentially greater than Rennala over considering Ranni's age range being closer to Renna. 2. (I understand you mentioned this in your video) Renna has a much closer connection to Rellana and Rennala due to their closely tied naming scheme. Rellana and Rennala have their n and l swapped establishing confidently that the sister withhold a naming scheme like all the other families. Then there's Renna which is also literally just Rennala but without the a and l as you even establish. This is completely unlike Ranni who not only introduces an i but also does start with Re but rather Ra. 3. Your point would establish that Rennala had a potentially even earlier marriage with another figure as there is nothing that establishes Radagon and Rennala having this child at any point. This seems unreasonable as again nothing establishes this notion thus the only possibillity would be Radagon and Rennala, yet again there is nothing that helps to establish this possibility either. For what reason would Renna be excluded from this circle of children between Radagon and Rennala. This point further bounces off point 1 which is that they are described as old. This small little detail withholds a further disconnect from the possibility of being a child of Radagon and Rennala. Are we to consider they had a first child and took a long hiatus? This seems unreasonable or even a reach one would say. 4. This goes off of my reasoning in two. This location is referred to the three sister rise. If my point two were to be true, then it would fully explain why it's known as the Three Sister Rise. It was quite literally occupied by three sisters at one point in time. Rellana, Rennala, and Renna. The three R's of Three Sisters. Remember we can be confident in the notion that at least we are guranteed two of the three sisters being Rennala and Rellana. Thank god for the DLC as I've struggled with understanding the missing link for quite some time. Who else withholds a similar time to that of Rellana and Rennala. I would not be one to include Ranni due to the notion that she is no sister as she is quite literally a child of Rennala. This leaves me with Renna who again if you don't wish to consider a potential sister of Rellana and Rennala then it is nearly impossible for us to derive any other potential answer. We are not given any other name or possible connection between Rellana Rennala. 5. Notice how Renna's rise is completely unoccupied and has even a casted barrier. Seluvis was more than likely given his occupation of one rise that was of a previous sister, yet Renna's rise is closed off and not allowed to be occupied. This establishes this rise was known as Renna rise for some time or rather could it be known as such once Ranni had met Renna? What's interesting is that there are woods directly south of Renna's rise. It seems more likely than not those woods mentioned in the Snow Witch set. Could this set help establish to us that Renna had already established roots into Caria Manor? Things to think about.
No one dies of old age, that simple fact makes placing events the Cariab family hard. Rennala could be the first and last and have had many daughters, because she doesn’t age and wasn’t slain. Also keep in mind, Marika was running back and forth between Godfry and Rennala. And…no one said Miquella and Melania weren’t around…..having replaced Mog and Morgot
I wonder if Malenia's was a bug and Miquella's was one of those people eating flowers that the perfumers use. It does feel like Malenia took on the role of Miquella's shadow. Perhaps their individual influences were too intense for their shadow bound beasts. Like Malenia's fell to scarlet rot and Miquella's got too obsessed and had to be killed. I like to ponder these things though.
I wonder that now that the dlc is done, if the now Seluvis tower was named Rellana tower before. Or maybe Rellana had children also before she went to the land of shadow, even tho they arent mentioned anywhere,and the towers were named after them.
I want you to consider the possibility or notion that the three sister rise is known as such because of three people. Rellana, Rennela, and Renna. Rellana and Rennela have their n and l swapped, and Renna is literally Rennela without the e and l. Something to consider. Remember in Elden Ring the naming scheme adamantly establishes the familial connections of each character. If you would like to read more on this, then there is a reply I made on another comment related to Ranni. I just don't want to copy past the same comment again here.
This is a lore question or potential theory I’m thinking about regarding empyrians being granted shadows: If milinia is considered to potentially be a daughter of Merica (of the line with Mesmer), could she also be an empyian and if so could torrent be her shadow?
This is the first I'd heard of the theory that Ranni was birthed of the Amber Egg. I don't know that I actually buy it, but it is an interesting concept. It would be cool for that to be true for *something*, but I don't dig it for Ranni.
I always wondered if the twin prodigies ever had shadow bound beast. I mean they both were just as considered for godhood as Ranni. I guess i could come up with my own head cannon that Maleina fu$%ing rotted away her dog but then what about Miquella? Idk feel like we could have gotten three Blaidd's! which sounds cool!
What if Ranni was betrothed to Godwyn, so he could be her lord. Then they’d be unified from the same god, and most likely produce another Empyrean. And that’s why Ranni chose him for the black knives plot?
Wait how many black knives are there? And how many soulless demigods are there? Could the ritual involve them, Ranni picking off Marika and Radagons bastards as part of the ritual?
Did Ranni became a god in the ending? Maybe it is a godless age but i doubt it. So, if yes, she "divested" her flesh. but she never passed through gate of divinity as far as we know. So the Snow witch did? maybe that is not required when the god is a moon god instead of a "greater will" god. I'd go with the possibility that the Snow witch was a god at some point based on that and on the four hands like Miquella. Maybe not Marika lvl god but one of many god if there was such an age...
I get everyone loves her cuz shes a tiny cute mage with 4 hands BUT she might be the worst of them all. she kick starts the night of the black knives, chooses Godwym to have his soul die, and her choice in everything is selfish. her most trusted companions are killed becuase she may have also backstabbed the assassins since we STEAL the fingerslayer blade. I'll admit she was my first ending i chose(i was on the ranni train) now that i fully know it, i just use her to go below and then i leave her. if we dont do it, Iji and Blaidd lives so my cannon is she doesnt get her way lol
I don't think her choice in everything is selfish. Wouldn't it have been more selfish to embrace her authority over all as an empyrean and uphold a broken order? Wouldn't it have been more selfish to enchant her followers into doing her bidding or to hide the fact that she'd have to abandon Iji and Blaidd when they knew full well where things were going? Same with the tarnished. Why do we give others a pass for committing violence in the name of ideology, while hating Ranni for killing the #1 golden order mascot besides Marika? Who upheld a system which sought to strip her of her fate.
100% disagree, her actions are balanced between selfishness and selflessness. other demigods show the consequence of being too selfish, or too selfless but all of them are made to do horrible things due to their nature as marika's children. I think they have no choice but to do as they are told, because why else would the empyreans we meet be so desperate to give up their godhood? furthermore, her ambitions are freedom for all, which is pretty much as far from selfishness as possible.
Whats odd to me is the overall acceptance of Ranni as a demigod/empyrean, despite the fact that radagon wasnt a god, nor is rennala. It wasnt known that he was Marika / he WASNT yet marika (?).
my conclusion has been that it's because Rennala was percieved by a god or demigod at one point. There is an item description that states "she was no hero afterall" and her power to summon spirits echoes marika very interestingly. The powers of the moon rivaled that of the erdtree during the war between both factions that ended consequently with radagon and rennala's marriage. (while ranni really IS an empyrean & demigod because of radagon)
They became Demigod stepchildren after Radagon married Marika (Radahn's Great Rune). I assume she just stuffed them full of golden runes or made them drink Erdtree sap until they were powerful enough to be called Demigods. After all "The first Demigods were The Elden Lord Godfrey and his offspring, the golden lineage." (Godrick's Great Rune) So we know folks can be turned into Demigods. I tend to think the Talisman of Lord's Bestowal is depicting Godfrey becoming a demigod. I say this because while he is accepting his sap in the story he is referred to as "first Elden Lord", "The Lord" and "Lord of the Erdtree" so he already had those things under his belt. After all, we know from experience you don't have to be a demigod to become a lord.
Well unfortunately this fact is accepted because it's backed by dialogue of multiple characters and item descriptions. That's the only reason we consider it a fact because it's well established. You may come to disagree but it's literally what the game gives us, so I find it hard to refute when it's out right stated. For example, "But if Lady Ranni, as an Empyrean, reists being an instrument of the Two Fingers, the shadow will go mad, transforming from a follower into a horrid curse." - Iji Another example, "I was once an Empyrean. Of the demigods, only I, Miquella, and Malenia could claim that title. Each of us was chosen by our own Two Fingers, as a candidate to succeed Queen Marika, to become the new god of the coming age." - Ranni Another one, "Which is when I received Blaidd. In the form of a vassal tailored for an Empyrean." - Ranni Interestingly enough, if we were to address what you say. There is actually something to consider. The Gloam Eye Queen was also an Empyrean. Yet, one could argue she is not confirmed to be a demigod. There is not any concrete proof or verification that she is a demi-god but it is confirmed she was an Empyrean. This shows that perhaps it is power that is most important. There are many gods in the lands between the only reason they are known as gods is due to their insurmountable power and influence. Without power or influence they are not gods but rather thoughts and thoughts alone.
@SweetDaddo2.0 the "chosen by two fingers" quote kinda solves this then - it's not hereditary. But I feel there's still some inconsistencies, either 1) unintended developmental inconsistencies or 2) intended inconsistency, in line with the overall anti-religious theme. I'm not sure which are what though. Having done development at large scale (though not game development), I'm aware of how frequently items (literal, or figurative) may end up with disconnected implementations, and how timelines may forgo patching them. Gloam Eyed Queen is a good example. Her defeat is said to have ushered in the Golden Order - but we now know that's not true. I would love to see what JRRRR Marrtin wrote for it
One issue though. Ranni does not have a curse. Offspring of Radagon and Marika are all cursed. They are guranteed to be cursed based off of what is implied by the game's lore. Notice how children of Radagon and Marika with others are not cursed. You may think of the Omen Twins right now, but just know that the Omen curse is common and has happened to offsprings not related in any way to Marika or Radagon. In fact, you see Godwyn came out completely fine. This again establishes that the Omen Twins were purely unfortunate situations, but the game adamantly establishes the birth of Miquella and Malenia were cursed due to their origin being from essentially the same person. Think of it as something like how Radagon and Marika are brother and sisters in some way. This means that no matter what their offspring are destined to be cursed whereas offspring with others do not do the same as Radagon and Rennala had 3 children completely devoid of any curses
@@SweetDaddo2.0 but if ranni was made from part of radagon and part of rennala, then marika's involvement isn't the same as a child of her and radagon... although, there is also the fact that ranni managed to escape her body (which mysteriously is missing legs - did they burn away or was there another reason?). the loss of her legs would be associated with the first generation of albinaurics, radahn (if his reliance on his horse isn't because of scarlet rot), gaius (another gravity sorcerer like radahn, or potentially an albinauric), rennala's sweetings and rennala herself (we only see her sitting in/on a cradle or sprawled on the ground until ranni interferes). does it have to do with the amber egg? or being connected to rennala? or is it just a result of sorcery? sorry i think i got off track lol but your comment makes me wonder about it all
@@fishsticks2965 Bonfire VN has this amazing video on Ranni's burned body. In it you can see clearly that certain things have more likely just burned off. For example there is a bracelet where a hand would be which means parts of her body did burn off. In the video you also see clear calves on both legs (if she was disabled physically though I have no proof against or for your statement), so the only part missing are her feet. Though, I already established parts like her hands burned off that it's not unbelievable her feet would burn off. In the video there's also this close up shot of her butt. For the rest of what you said they are all things I'm not personally confident in stating anything, but hopefully me explaining why certain parts of her body burned off makes sense. I am not for the idea she was disabled but it is not that far fetched. Maybe her disability allowed for the relations between Loretta (who is not 100% confirmed to be albinaurics but shows clear compassion for their kind). Again, I think it's not something I would push but I'd love to entertain whatever you may believe.
Renna and Ronnie are both the same person just like Saint Trina and Mila are the same person just like Rata gun in America are the same person sorry but nothing that’s being spelled right I am dictating that’s not typing it
I will have to disagree. We don't see any related proof to them being the same person. If you have any, then please mention them for me so I can consider it. Renna is more likely to be the sister of Rellana and Rennela. Let me explain why real quick. Remove the e and l from Rennela's name. You'll notice it literally spells Renna. Now with Elden Ring it has been established that there is a consistent naming scheme with all the families that are intertwined. Rellana is just Rennela but with the placement of letters interchanged (literally swap the n placement with l placement or l with n in both names). This helps to establish that not only are they just sisters, but they withhold names that also establish their familial connection. Again, now we consider Renna who's name is just Rennela but without the e and l. This also helps to finally establish why the location in Caria Manor is known as the Three Sister Rise. Before the DLC, I was so confused as to why it was known this way. I had already established there was no way Seluvis was in any related to being a sister. This means that more than likely he had taken over that specific rise at thus the name of that rise would change (think about how Renna rise is abandoned but because there's no current occupant it's not renamed as far as we can tell). At some point I had considered that it was Renna, Ranni, and Rennala who were the three sisters, but then why would Ranni the child be known as sister to Rennala (her own mother)? Finally, the DLC released and the question was answered. Ranni had taken over her own mother's rise (this does not matter but I would assume this would make the most sense), Rellana had a rise (perhaps it was Seluvis's rise but it does not matter again which rise), and finally Renna had a rise. This would make sense as to why it's known as three sisters, because it was quite literally three sisters. Renna is known as a crone, which withholds an age we can work with and that is old. Why would Renna be described as old if she were not to be of the same age or older than Rennela or Rellana themselves. This would then further the point that they are sisters considering they withhold an age that surpasses that of Ranni (this point is to only establish why Ranni and Renna being the same or even sisters like Smough points out kinda irrational). Remember that Renna was alive to mentor Ranni this means that Renna likely lived through the same time as Rennela or perhaps even slightly older. "Witch's pointed hat, frigid and frozen through. Of a style associated with practitioners of heretical sorcery. Strengthens cold sorcery. Once worn by the snowy crone who the young Ranni encountered deep in the woods. She was a witch, and well versed in cold sorceries. It is said that the doll that houses Ranni's soul was modeled after her. That old witch was Ranni's secret mentor." - Snow Witch Hat Interestingly enough this description of the Snow Witch Crone establishes exactly what we expect out of Ranni's moon. Not only does she have her moon like her mother, but she made it infused with cold allowing for forst which is inspired from Renna. This establishes her two influences. Her own mother (moon) and Renna (cold). There's not many witches in fact we only know of 4. Ranni, Rennela, Renna, and our beloved Sellen. You may consider Rellana one, but she is more akin to a Carian Knight which uses both physical and sorcery. Whereas the witches are solely magical. Even if you don't believe Renna is a sister of Rellana and Rennela. One cannot ignore that Renna at some point likely established some connection with not only Ranni but Caria. This would lead to why Renna has her own rise even if she longer seems to be at this rise. Was she given a rise before meeting Ranni or was she always there is something to consider if we don't believe in the notion she's the sister. Remember her age signifies her experience and it establishes "deep in the wood" for Ranni meeting her. Now at which point this is we don't know but mind you there so happens to be woods right outside Caria Manor in the route that leads down from the Three Sister Rise (you find a red wolf and goal here and you also find an Ash Of War which withholds Chilling Mist which is directly south of Renna's rise interestingly enough). The connections run deep even if one point I have mentioned is wrong it's almost undeniable Renna had influence beyond our given understanding by the game. The one point I want to make clear is that it just seems more likely compared to what you mention. Remember St. Trinia and Miquella may be unique in the sense they are like Radagon and Marika who are what some may consider one in some sense. This is similar to St. Trinia and Miquella. The difference is that Ranni was the offspring of not Radagon and Marika, but rather, Radagon and Rennala. This distinction establishes why it would be irrational to link the unintended effect of a disturbing birth between Radagon and Marika. Notice how only Miquella and Malenia were the few offsprings to be cursed because the Omen Children who were cursed was possible for other offsprings as well thus making Mohg and Morgott not solely unique (many other omens have been birthed but only a distinct curse for Miquella and Malenia). St. Trinia and Miquella were cursed from birth. Their existence/curse due to the real curse of being born of the same person. Ranni would not be cursed similar to her two brothers because they were born of a more natural result. Remember that both Miquella and Malenia were cursed at birth. Notice how the Omen Twins were cursed by a more common curse and not only that but Godwyn exist thus proving that the Omen curse was just a common curse that could occur to anyone.
There are too many details that suggest that ranni its the daughter of radagon a marika, raísed by rennala. First, as enia says, the royal or divine blood could diluted if you dont preserve it, and we see in godefroy and godrick...they are weak cause theyre distants of marika and godfrey, more human than god. Second, not only malenia remembrance refers empyreans born of a single god, cause, as we know, the flesh of ranni was special...she says "i slew MY OWN EMPYREAN FLESH" so, her body was special...she is able to continue the dark path of the empyrean without body and ascend to godhood, just like miquella did when he divest his EMPYREAN FLESH, so, as i see, the empyreans are special both in body and souls Ansbach says: "miquella divested his eye...thats not a mere morsel of flesh...its the proof of his Empyrean lineage, his birthright as a child of the Erdtree" Then, the empyrean blood surgeon grows when empyrean blood sheds, reinforcing the fact that ranni and miquella have special blood and body. Then, the japanese dark moon ring description says: "if ranni is a divine being, his consort is a lord" So, as i see again, ranni its special since she born as a next god, something reinforced by gowry, who says "An empyrean is not a mere demigod...its A GOD TO BRING A NEW AGE" Miquella, malenia, messmer and melina are cursed from his birth, and they have 4 butterflies... I think ranni is a empyrean demigod who has being perfected from born cursed using a strange method...those who reborn, are afflicted by slumber, and thats what afflict ranni in her new body, she falls asleep by a long period of time. I think that is not a coincidence. I think that youre misunderstanding what ranni says in nokstella, let me argue: " I WAS ONCE AND EMPYREAN (I born THAT way) AMONG THE DEMIGODS, ONLY MALENIA, MIQUELLA AND I WERE DISCOVERED BY OUR TWO FINGERS (discovered for his godly blood, body, etc, thats why only three demigods only were empyreans, cause theyre no mere demigods as gowry says, they are "divine beings") AND BECAME CANDIDATES FOR THE NEXT GOD TO SUCCED MARIKA ( Theyre chosen to succed marika, not chosen as empyreans, so, theyre able to claim the title of empyreans, who in japanese refers of god-human cause they have a divine birthright, and for that cause, theyre chosen to succed a god if they ascend to true godhood as marika did) Then, finally, you have the cuckoo in lucaria, who is a bird thats stole the original egg from another birds and implant his own in the nest of the mother who raísed his children... Who is the person that holds an amber egg, in the academy, where are thousand of cuckoos imprisioned and various cradles above her? Right, rennala Slumbering egg description says : "Owl eggs that will never hatch. Material used for crafting items. Prized as a symbol of the most sublime slumber." The egg its very similar of a moon, symbol of rennala, and the egg will never hatch cause the cuckoo stoles it and put its own egg in the owl nest. The richest/ sublime slumber its the bebirth process, so, i think Marika is the cuckoo, rennala the owl, and ranni the implanted egg Sorry for my sooooo long comment, i really enjoy your content...let me know what you think
According to the timeline provided by the game dialogue/cut scene then Godwyn was slain sometime after Radagon had already left Rennala. This is because of this dialogue by Miriel, "However, when Godfrey, first Elden Lord, was hounded from the Lands Between, Radagon left Rennala to return to the Erdtree Capital, becoming Queen Marika's second husband and King Consort, taking the title...of second Elden Lord." Godfrey left the lands between the moment he finished his conquest of the Lands Between. This conquest and departure are both before Godwyn's death because of the intro cinematic stating, "And on a bitter night, murdered Godwyn the Golden. That was the first recorded Death of a demigod in all history. And it became the catalyst. Soon, the Elden Ring was smashed, and thus sprang forth the war known as the Shattering." Only after the shattering was Godfrey resurrected after his death in the Badlands and given back his lost grace (or somewhere outside of Lands Between). Radagon and Marika became a thing the moment Godfrey left his role as Elden Lord. This means 99.9% Radagon was already piping Marika before his step-children were murdered.
Thank you everyone for watching this video on Ranni and the Dark Moon. Let me know your thoughts in the comments below
I think the born from one god, therefore empyrean mistake comes from affirming the consequent.
“My car broke down, therefore I was late to work” does not mean “I was late for work, therefore my car broke down.” There are plenty of things that can make you late for work. Likewise, having a mono-god origin could be one of many qualities that can establish empyrean status.
We just don’t have enough information to draw a hard line at a single god brith to be a necessity.
Honey, Ornsteinville just dropped a new vid!
Godefroy the Goat mentioned 🥳
I think Smough should do 10+ hour long video about Godefroy lore, because it’s really huge and peak writing, you can even say kino.
Best character in the game
I love both channels but when I’m in the mood for a shorter lore dump this channel being there is amazing.
Ranni is amongst the most intriguing From characters ever made due to her Machiavellian ways.
On one hand, she had altruistic intentions for all of humanity, sacrificing her family and body in order to empower people (mistranslation or not).
But on the other hand, she cold-heartedly orchestrated the murder of the most benevelont demigod Godwyn, inadvertedly spreading Deathroot and chaos worldwide.
Personally think this was unjust, but we can only hope that it works out in the end.
Honestly just like with miquella until the dlc for all we know Godwyn could’ve been a horrible person, I don’t trust anything the golden order regards as good. There’s also two theories about why Godwyn of all people, some say he was in on it, wanting to become the prince of death, some say that that the fingers wanted ranni to be married to Godwyn so he would become her lord, so who else fitting to share the death that departed her from the control of the two fingers than the other participant in their plans
What about on the other two hands?
@@palazzo1113First well made joke related to Ranni. I’m stealing this one for future use. Thank you for your creativity 😊
In her defence, no one had likely ANY idea Deathroot would spread from killing just the soul and not the body. It never happened before.
@@diegovera1353 How is Kindly Miquella a horrible person?
Watching this while replaying Ranni’s quest for the third time 👌🏾
Kinda sad how there isn’t more lore connecting Rellana to her sister and niece, as I had thought that maybe the tree sister may be in some reference to her as well. As the sister to a queen is still a princess (I’m pretty sure) and the reason she doesn’t have the title in game, is because she renounced it to follow Mesmir.
She is like a modern depiction of the Primordial Nyx
I will say in more confidence after SotE DLC that Ranni is most likely (somehow) the twin of Godwyn. Of the pairings: Rykard/Radahn is logical but never called out, Melina/Messmer are sions of the Deathbird/Snake-god of death with visions of flame, Godrick/Godfroy (if indeed direct demigod offspring of Marika) are both runts of the litter.
I also wondered why Ranni picked Godwyn out of other targets to give half the Cursemark of Death. Could she pick an easier demigod like one of the no-named that died during the Night of the Black Knives to escape her empyrean body, reducing the chances of failing by using someone not so beloved and high profile? No lore calls out if Ranni had any particular dislike of Godwyn.
Ranni and Godwyn also have some parallels: Paragons of Moon and Sun, respectively, and they both befriended dragons after besting them and fought for them until death, like the ancient dragon Fortissax after the dragon war, fighting off Godwyn's Death, while Ranni made the Flying Drake Adula (the younger generation hunted by the ancient dragon) her knight (after likely eating too many Raya Lucaria students).
Interesting 🎉
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Forgive me mistaking the two carian sisters' names since it's so similar, but where does ranni's aunt, which is sister to her mother, play into this ? In the dlc, we fought rennala and I believe the lore said she gave up her birth right as a princess for Messmer cause, right? Man, I wish she spoke and said something to us as we fought her because it's so much missing .
Rellana is proof that there are two moons. Whether they are the moons Ranni and Rennala saw, or if each Carian Royal met their own moons is unclear.
Rellana is a wonderful character because she mixes up what impressions the base game left us with regarding the moon and "celestial bodies".
She also has ties to Ymir, who is a lore bomb in his own right.
Rellana and Messmer beautifully mirror Rennala and Radagon. Both warmongers with flaming red hair, and a lunar astrologer at their side. History repeats in a spiral, and they symbolise that
I'm so happy someone else echos what I think about the 3 sisters somewhat. I had the theory that Renna is the eldest, Ranni is the middle, and the 3rd sister would be the youngest based on tower alignment
My Guts Berserk build. I’m at NG+4 atm. My playthrough endings have been Frenzied Flame, Blessing of Despair, Duskborn, Mend the Elden Ring, Perfect Order and next cycle my canon ending, Age of the Stars. Good timing bro love your work.
I just realized, there are portraits of Radahn and Rykard, but none of Ranni (that I know of). I wonder why that is
This is full time lore I'm scrambling to keep up with this brother
Ranni playing with Blaidd like a normal child reminds me of “Marika’s mischief” and Dusk of Oolacile creating chameleon to be silly.
It’s funny to think that if the ymir is correct about his musings of the Moon and stars, then her plans to escape the control or influence of the greater will are kinda moot? Maybe not moot, as we don’t know exactly what the control means, i mean obviously she killed her emperyan body, but i mean it’s just all still apart of the greater will.
She would still be free of the fingers control
@ that’s already implied in my post and not really my point. My point is her wanting to free the lands between from the influence of the greater will and outer gods, and i’m questioning if what we found out in the DLC makes her plan moot or not.
i believe it is because the moon can obscure the lands between from the other stars
Love the lore and questline. Thanks for the video!
I always thought the three sister towers were for rennala renna and the now known rellana
Actually wouldn’t that make sense for the guy taking Rellana’s tower? Considering she went on a crusade with Messmer. That’d make a lot of sense.
Loving these videos!
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I dunno, I just assume Ranni was an adopted daughter hence why Radahn and Rykard aren’t empyrean and she is
I have to disagree on the notion that Renna and Ranni could be considered sisters. There are a multitude of reasons and I've established some in my replies to other comments on this video. I'll quickly go over my points.
1. Renna is described as an old crone. I find it hard to believe that this doesn't place Renna on the same age range or even potentially greater than Rennala over considering Ranni's age range being closer to Renna.
2. (I understand you mentioned this in your video) Renna has a much closer connection to Rellana and Rennala due to their closely tied naming scheme. Rellana and Rennala have their n and l swapped establishing confidently that the sister withhold a naming scheme like all the other families. Then there's Renna which is also literally just Rennala but without the a and l as you even establish. This is completely unlike Ranni who not only introduces an i but also does start with Re but rather Ra.
3. Your point would establish that Rennala had a potentially even earlier marriage with another figure as there is nothing that establishes Radagon and Rennala having this child at any point. This seems unreasonable as again nothing establishes this notion thus the only possibillity would be Radagon and Rennala, yet again there is nothing that helps to establish this possibility either. For what reason would Renna be excluded from this circle of children between Radagon and Rennala. This point further bounces off point 1 which is that they are described as old. This small little detail withholds a further disconnect from the possibility of being a child of Radagon and Rennala. Are we to consider they had a first child and took a long hiatus? This seems unreasonable or even a reach one would say.
4. This goes off of my reasoning in two. This location is referred to the three sister rise. If my point two were to be true, then it would fully explain why it's known as the Three Sister Rise. It was quite literally occupied by three sisters at one point in time. Rellana, Rennala, and Renna. The three R's of Three Sisters. Remember we can be confident in the notion that at least we are guranteed two of the three sisters being Rennala and Rellana. Thank god for the DLC as I've struggled with understanding the missing link for quite some time. Who else withholds a similar time to that of Rellana and Rennala. I would not be one to include Ranni due to the notion that she is no sister as she is quite literally a child of Rennala. This leaves me with Renna who again if you don't wish to consider a potential sister of Rellana and Rennala then it is nearly impossible for us to derive any other potential answer. We are not given any other name or possible connection between Rellana Rennala.
5. Notice how Renna's rise is completely unoccupied and has even a casted barrier. Seluvis was more than likely given his occupation of one rise that was of a previous sister, yet Renna's rise is closed off and not allowed to be occupied. This establishes this rise was known as Renna rise for some time or rather could it be known as such once Ranni had met Renna? What's interesting is that there are woods directly south of Renna's rise. It seems more likely than not those woods mentioned in the Snow Witch set. Could this set help establish to us that Renna had already established roots into Caria Manor? Things to think about.
No one dies of old age, that simple fact makes placing events the Cariab family hard. Rennala could be the first and last and have had many daughters, because she doesn’t age and wasn’t slain. Also keep in mind, Marika was running back and forth between Godfry and Rennala. And…no one said Miquella and Melania weren’t around…..having replaced Mog and Morgot
damn smough pumping out quality vids at such an alarming rate
Why didn’t Miquella and Malenia have shadow bound beasts as Empyrians?
They more than likely killed them like Ranni.
Maybe they were each other's shadow? 👀 (Jk)
Probably because Malenia functioned as one or they killed theirs
I wonder if Malenia's was a bug and Miquella's was one of those people eating flowers that the perfumers use. It does feel like Malenia took on the role of Miquella's shadow.
Perhaps their individual influences were too intense for their shadow bound beasts. Like Malenia's fell to scarlet rot and Miquella's got too obsessed and had to be killed.
I like to ponder these things though.
I wonder that now that the dlc is done, if the now Seluvis tower was named Rellana tower before.
Or maybe Rellana had children also before she went to the land of shadow, even tho they arent mentioned anywhere,and the towers were named after them.
I want you to consider the possibility or notion that the three sister rise is known as such because of three people. Rellana, Rennela, and Renna. Rellana and Rennela have their n and l swapped, and Renna is literally Rennela without the e and l. Something to consider. Remember in Elden Ring the naming scheme adamantly establishes the familial connections of each character. If you would like to read more on this, then there is a reply I made on another comment related to Ranni. I just don't want to copy past the same comment again here.
This is a lore question or potential theory I’m thinking about regarding empyrians being granted shadows: If milinia is considered to potentially be a daughter of Merica (of the line with Mesmer), could she also be an empyian and if so could torrent be her shadow?
Renalla from the DLC shows that she is or was a princess and a sister to the queen.
The other's Carian princes are likely to be Twin's moon Rellana & Sorceress Sellen.
This is the first I'd heard of the theory that Ranni was birthed of the Amber Egg. I don't know that I actually buy it, but it is an interesting concept. It would be cool for that to be true for *something*, but I don't dig it for Ranni.
I always wondered if the twin prodigies ever had shadow bound beast. I mean they both were just as considered for godhood as Ranni. I guess i could come up with my own head cannon that Maleina fu$%ing rotted away her dog but then what about Miquella? Idk feel like we could have gotten three Blaidd's! which sounds cool!
Rellana is also considered a carian princess. So it doesn’t necessarily mean that all carian princesses are daughters of rennala.
What if Ranni was betrothed to Godwyn, so he could be her lord. Then they’d be unified from the same god, and most likely produce another Empyrean. And that’s why Ranni chose him for the black knives plot?
Couldn't it be that the Carians were a principality or something of the sort **before** the Rellana made it a royal house with her feats?
I want to know why Renala is so big? She's huge! So is Ronies body on the top of the tower. Rennala is like 9 ft tall
I wonder if Ranni had her sisters assassinated during the Night of Black Knives.
Wait how many black knives are there? And how many soulless demigods are there? Could the ritual involve them, Ranni picking off Marika and Radagons bastards as part of the ritual?
Did Ranni became a god in the ending? Maybe it is a godless age but i doubt it. So, if yes, she "divested" her flesh. but she never passed through gate of divinity as far as we know. So the Snow witch did? maybe that is not required when the god is a moon god instead of a "greater will" god. I'd go with the possibility that the Snow witch was a god at some point based on that and on the four hands like Miquella. Maybe not Marika lvl god but one of many god if there was such an age...
i dont know but after dlc im pretty sure 3 sisters are called like that after rennala, rellana and renna.
4 handed sloppy would be insane
i regret being literate
in the erdtree. straight up "jorking it" and by "it", haha, well. let's justr say. My eldin ring
I prefer 2-handed fuzzy sloppy
Who gave you freedom of speech
U ain even long enough for dat 🤡🫵🏿
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I get everyone loves her cuz shes a tiny cute mage with 4 hands BUT she might be the worst of them all. she kick starts the night of the black knives, chooses Godwym to have his soul die, and her choice in everything is selfish. her most trusted companions are killed becuase she may have also backstabbed the assassins since we STEAL the fingerslayer blade. I'll admit she was my first ending i chose(i was on the ranni train) now that i fully know it, i just use her to go below and then i leave her. if we dont do it, Iji and Blaidd lives so my cannon is she doesnt get her way lol
I don't think her choice in everything is selfish. Wouldn't it have been more selfish to embrace her authority over all as an empyrean and uphold a broken order? Wouldn't it have been more selfish to enchant her followers into doing her bidding or to hide the fact that she'd have to abandon Iji and Blaidd when they knew full well where things were going? Same with the tarnished. Why do we give others a pass for committing violence in the name of ideology, while hating Ranni for killing the #1 golden order mascot besides Marika? Who upheld a system which sought to strip her of her fate.
100% disagree, her actions are balanced between selfishness and selflessness. other demigods show the consequence of being too selfish, or too selfless but all of them are made to do horrible things due to their nature as marika's children. I think they have no choice but to do as they are told, because why else would the empyreans we meet be so desperate to give up their godhood? furthermore, her ambitions are freedom for all, which is pretty much as far from selfishness as possible.
Counterpoint she's hot
she like marika were puppets of the two fingers
At what point is anyone in this story "good" ? Golden order was established through mass death.
Whats odd to me is the overall acceptance of Ranni as a demigod/empyrean, despite the fact that radagon wasnt a god, nor is rennala. It wasnt known that he was Marika / he WASNT yet marika (?).
my conclusion has been that it's because Rennala was percieved by a god or demigod at one point. There is an item description that states "she was no hero afterall" and her power to summon spirits echoes marika very interestingly. The powers of the moon rivaled that of the erdtree during the war between both factions that ended consequently with radagon and rennala's marriage. (while ranni really IS an empyrean & demigod because of radagon)
They became Demigod stepchildren after Radagon married Marika (Radahn's Great Rune). I assume she just stuffed them full of golden runes or made them drink Erdtree sap until they were powerful enough to be called Demigods. After all "The first Demigods were The Elden Lord Godfrey and his offspring, the golden lineage." (Godrick's Great Rune) So we know folks can be turned into Demigods. I tend to think the Talisman of Lord's Bestowal is depicting Godfrey becoming a demigod. I say this because while he is accepting his sap in the story he is referred to as "first Elden Lord", "The Lord" and "Lord of the Erdtree" so he already had those things under his belt. After all, we know from experience you don't have to be a demigod to become a lord.
@Writh811 > stuffed them full of golden runes
Off to the 4chan art board I go
Well unfortunately this fact is accepted because it's backed by dialogue of multiple characters and item descriptions. That's the only reason we consider it a fact because it's well established. You may come to disagree but it's literally what the game gives us, so I find it hard to refute when it's out right stated.
For example, "But if Lady Ranni, as an Empyrean, reists being an instrument of the Two Fingers, the shadow will go mad, transforming from a follower into a horrid curse." - Iji
Another example, "I was once an Empyrean. Of the demigods, only I, Miquella, and Malenia could claim that title. Each of us was chosen by our own Two Fingers, as a candidate to succeed Queen Marika, to become the new god of the coming age." - Ranni
Another one, "Which is when I received Blaidd. In the form of a vassal tailored for an Empyrean." - Ranni
Interestingly enough, if we were to address what you say. There is actually something to consider. The Gloam Eye Queen was also an Empyrean. Yet, one could argue she is not confirmed to be a demigod. There is not any concrete proof or verification that she is a demi-god but it is confirmed she was an Empyrean. This shows that perhaps it is power that is most important. There are many gods in the lands between the only reason they are known as gods is due to their insurmountable power and influence. Without power or influence they are not gods but rather thoughts and thoughts alone.
@SweetDaddo2.0 the "chosen by two fingers" quote kinda solves this then - it's not hereditary. But I feel there's still some inconsistencies, either 1) unintended developmental inconsistencies or 2) intended inconsistency, in line with the overall anti-religious theme. I'm not sure which are what though. Having done development at large scale (though not game development), I'm aware of how frequently items (literal, or figurative) may end up with disconnected implementations, and how timelines may forgo patching them.
Gloam Eyed Queen is a good example. Her defeat is said to have ushered in the Golden Order - but we now know that's not true.
I would love to see what JRRRR Marrtin wrote for it
Though we have no conclusive evidence, you can make an educated guess that Ranni is a child of Marika based on all the implications.
One issue though. Ranni does not have a curse. Offspring of Radagon and Marika are all cursed. They are guranteed to be cursed based off of what is implied by the game's lore. Notice how children of Radagon and Marika with others are not cursed. You may think of the Omen Twins right now, but just know that the Omen curse is common and has happened to offsprings not related in any way to Marika or Radagon. In fact, you see Godwyn came out completely fine. This again establishes that the Omen Twins were purely unfortunate situations, but the game adamantly establishes the birth of Miquella and Malenia were cursed due to their origin being from essentially the same person. Think of it as something like how Radagon and Marika are brother and sisters in some way. This means that no matter what their offspring are destined to be cursed whereas offspring with others do not do the same as Radagon and Rennala had 3 children completely devoid of any curses
@@SweetDaddo2.0 the kids are cursed. they are blessed.
@@SweetDaddo2.0 but if ranni was made from part of radagon and part of rennala, then marika's involvement isn't the same as a child of her and radagon... although, there is also the fact that ranni managed to escape her body (which mysteriously is missing legs - did they burn away or was there another reason?). the loss of her legs would be associated with the first generation of albinaurics, radahn (if his reliance on his horse isn't because of scarlet rot), gaius (another gravity sorcerer like radahn, or potentially an albinauric), rennala's sweetings and rennala herself (we only see her sitting in/on a cradle or sprawled on the ground until ranni interferes). does it have to do with the amber egg? or being connected to rennala? or is it just a result of sorcery? sorry i think i got off track lol but your comment makes me wonder about it all
@@deathandrebirth-y8x Incest summarized?
I'm just kidding
@@fishsticks2965 Bonfire VN has this amazing video on Ranni's burned body. In it you can see clearly that certain things have more likely just burned off. For example there is a bracelet where a hand would be which means parts of her body did burn off. In the video you also see clear calves on both legs (if she was disabled physically though I have no proof against or for your statement), so the only part missing are her feet. Though, I already established parts like her hands burned off that it's not unbelievable her feet would burn off. In the video there's also this close up shot of her butt.
For the rest of what you said they are all things I'm not personally confident in stating anything, but hopefully me explaining why certain parts of her body burned off makes sense. I am not for the idea she was disabled but it is not that far fetched. Maybe her disability allowed for the relations between Loretta (who is not 100% confirmed to be albinaurics but shows clear compassion for their kind). Again, I think it's not something I would push but I'd love to entertain whatever you may believe.
is this just a re release of already done videos? seems like it
but where do feet come into play in all of this?
Did Miquella charm Renala?
We still dont know anything about Miquella and Malenia's shadows do we ?
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Renna and Ronnie are both the same person just like Saint Trina and Mila are the same person just like Rata gun in America are the same person sorry but nothing that’s being spelled right I am dictating that’s not typing it
I will have to disagree. We don't see any related proof to them being the same person. If you have any, then please mention them for me so I can consider it.
Renna is more likely to be the sister of Rellana and Rennela. Let me explain why real quick. Remove the e and l from Rennela's name. You'll notice it literally spells Renna. Now with Elden Ring it has been established that there is a consistent naming scheme with all the families that are intertwined. Rellana is just Rennela but with the placement of letters interchanged (literally swap the n placement with l placement or l with n in both names). This helps to establish that not only are they just sisters, but they withhold names that also establish their familial connection. Again, now we consider Renna who's name is just Rennela but without the e and l. This also helps to finally establish why the location in Caria Manor is known as the Three Sister Rise. Before the DLC, I was so confused as to why it was known this way. I had already established there was no way Seluvis was in any related to being a sister. This means that more than likely he had taken over that specific rise at thus the name of that rise would change (think about how Renna rise is abandoned but because there's no current occupant it's not renamed as far as we can tell). At some point I had considered that it was Renna, Ranni, and Rennala who were the three sisters, but then why would Ranni the child be known as sister to Rennala (her own mother)? Finally, the DLC released and the question was answered. Ranni had taken over her own mother's rise (this does not matter but I would assume this would make the most sense), Rellana had a rise (perhaps it was Seluvis's rise but it does not matter again which rise), and finally Renna had a rise. This would make sense as to why it's known as three sisters, because it was quite literally three sisters. Renna is known as a crone, which withholds an age we can work with and that is old. Why would Renna be described as old if she were not to be of the same age or older than Rennela or Rellana themselves. This would then further the point that they are sisters considering they withhold an age that surpasses that of Ranni (this point is to only establish why Ranni and Renna being the same or even sisters like Smough points out kinda irrational). Remember that Renna was alive to mentor Ranni this means that Renna likely lived through the same time as Rennela or perhaps even slightly older.
"Witch's pointed hat, frigid and frozen through. Of a style associated with practitioners of heretical sorcery. Strengthens cold sorcery.
Once worn by the snowy crone who the young Ranni encountered deep in the woods. She was a witch, and well versed in cold sorceries. It is said that the doll that houses Ranni's soul was modeled after her.
That old witch was Ranni's secret mentor." - Snow Witch Hat
Interestingly enough this description of the Snow Witch Crone establishes exactly what we expect out of Ranni's moon. Not only does she have her moon like her mother, but she made it infused with cold allowing for forst which is inspired from Renna. This establishes her two influences. Her own mother (moon) and Renna (cold). There's not many witches in fact we only know of 4. Ranni, Rennela, Renna, and our beloved Sellen. You may consider Rellana one, but she is more akin to a Carian Knight which uses both physical and sorcery. Whereas the witches are solely magical. Even if you don't believe Renna is a sister of Rellana and Rennela. One cannot ignore that Renna at some point likely established some connection with not only Ranni but Caria. This would lead to why Renna has her own rise even if she longer seems to be at this rise. Was she given a rise before meeting Ranni or was she always there is something to consider if we don't believe in the notion she's the sister. Remember her age signifies her experience and it establishes "deep in the wood" for Ranni meeting her. Now at which point this is we don't know but mind you there so happens to be woods right outside Caria Manor in the route that leads down from the Three Sister Rise (you find a red wolf and goal here and you also find an Ash Of War which withholds Chilling Mist which is directly south of Renna's rise interestingly enough). The connections run deep even if one point I have mentioned is wrong it's almost undeniable Renna had influence beyond our given understanding by the game. The one point I want to make clear is that it just seems more likely compared to what you mention. Remember St. Trinia and Miquella may be unique in the sense they are like Radagon and Marika who are what some may consider one in some sense. This is similar to St. Trinia and Miquella. The difference is that Ranni was the offspring of not Radagon and Marika, but rather, Radagon and Rennala. This distinction establishes why it would be irrational to link the unintended effect of a disturbing birth between Radagon and Marika. Notice how only Miquella and Malenia were the few offsprings to be cursed because the Omen Children who were cursed was possible for other offsprings as well thus making Mohg and Morgott not solely unique (many other omens have been birthed but only a distinct curse for Miquella and Malenia). St. Trinia and Miquella were cursed from birth. Their existence/curse due to the real curse of being born of the same person. Ranni would not be cursed similar to her two brothers because they were born of a more natural result. Remember that both Miquella and Malenia were cursed at birth. Notice how the Omen Twins were cursed by a more common curse and not only that but Godwyn exist thus proving that the Omen curse was just a common curse that could occur to anyone.
There are too many details that suggest that ranni its the daughter of radagon a marika, raísed by rennala.
First, as enia says, the royal or divine blood could diluted if you dont preserve it, and we see in godefroy and godrick...they are weak cause theyre distants of marika and godfrey, more human than god.
Second, not only malenia remembrance refers empyreans born of a single god, cause, as we know, the flesh of ranni was special...she says "i slew MY OWN EMPYREAN FLESH" so, her body was special...she is able to continue the dark path of the empyrean without body and ascend to godhood, just like miquella did when he divest his EMPYREAN FLESH, so, as i see, the empyreans are special both in body and souls
Ansbach says: "miquella divested his eye...thats not a mere morsel of flesh...its the proof of his Empyrean lineage, his birthright as a child of the Erdtree"
Then, the empyrean blood surgeon grows when empyrean blood sheds, reinforcing the fact that ranni and miquella have special blood and body.
Then, the japanese dark moon ring description says: "if ranni is a divine being, his consort is a lord"
So, as i see again, ranni its special since she born as a next god, something reinforced by gowry, who says
"An empyrean is not a mere demigod...its A GOD TO BRING A NEW AGE"
Miquella, malenia, messmer and melina are cursed from his birth, and they have 4 butterflies...
I think ranni is a empyrean demigod who has being perfected from born cursed using a strange method...those who reborn, are afflicted by slumber, and thats what afflict ranni in her new body, she falls asleep by a long period of time.
I think that is not a coincidence.
I think that youre misunderstanding what ranni says in nokstella, let me argue:
" I WAS ONCE AND EMPYREAN (I born THAT way)
AMONG THE DEMIGODS, ONLY MALENIA, MIQUELLA AND I WERE DISCOVERED BY OUR TWO FINGERS (discovered for his godly blood, body, etc, thats why only three demigods only were empyreans, cause theyre no mere demigods as gowry says, they are "divine beings") AND BECAME CANDIDATES FOR THE NEXT GOD TO SUCCED MARIKA ( Theyre chosen to succed marika, not chosen as empyreans, so, theyre able to claim the title of empyreans, who in japanese refers of god-human cause they have a divine birthright, and for that cause, theyre chosen to succed a god if they ascend to true godhood as marika did)
Then, finally, you have the cuckoo in lucaria, who is a bird thats stole the original egg from another birds and implant his own in the nest of the mother who raísed his children...
Who is the person that holds an amber egg, in the academy, where are thousand of cuckoos imprisioned and various cradles above her? Right, rennala
Slumbering egg description says :
"Owl eggs that will never hatch.
Material used for crafting items.
Prized as a symbol of the most sublime slumber."
The egg its very similar of a moon, symbol of rennala, and the egg will never hatch cause the cuckoo stoles it and put its own egg in the owl nest.
The richest/ sublime slumber its the bebirth process, so, i think
Marika is the cuckoo, rennala the owl, and ranni the implanted egg
Sorry for my sooooo long comment, i really enjoy your content...let me know what you think
Is it possible Radagon left Rennala after Ranni murduered Godwyn? Or did Ranni kill Godwyn because Radagion left her mother?
According to the timeline provided by the game dialogue/cut scene then Godwyn was slain sometime after Radagon had already left Rennala.
This is because of this dialogue by Miriel, "However, when Godfrey, first Elden Lord, was hounded from the Lands Between, Radagon left Rennala to return to the Erdtree Capital, becoming Queen Marika's second husband and King Consort, taking the title...of second Elden Lord." Godfrey left the lands between the moment he finished his conquest of the Lands Between. This conquest and departure are both before Godwyn's death because of the intro cinematic stating, "And on a bitter night, murdered Godwyn the Golden. That was the first recorded Death of a demigod in all history. And it became the catalyst. Soon, the Elden Ring was smashed, and thus sprang forth the war known as the Shattering." Only after the shattering was Godfrey resurrected after his death in the Badlands and given back his lost grace (or somewhere outside of Lands Between). Radagon and Marika became a thing the moment Godfrey left his role as Elden Lord. This means 99.9% Radagon was already piping Marika before his step-children were murdered.