nah rob, she relives the same life, makes different choices. otherwise how could she meet Charles Xavier multiple times BEFORE he had founded the X-Men?
Its hella confusing tho. Cause he does make it like shes born as a different kid.. But then shes not. She has the same time table every time she relives the life.. But i dont think the first life was the same life. I think it was earlier then the 9 rebirths after.
@@darkslim Yeah where the hell are people getting this? Literally the entire point is she's born the same way every single time so she knows how to change things.
@@anthonymarciano6050 I think that's referring to the fact that if she dies before her powers manifest she's dead dead so clearly something happens in her 10th or 11th trip where she dies young.
Rob It wasn't a Hundred years ago. She's not reborn in a different body. She's reborn in the same body each and every time. Her reincarnation is a time loop. She dies, and then gets reborn to the same parents the same time each time she reincarnates.
@@taylorcuch2480 It is. The back of the comic specifically shows the timeloop. It quite literally shows the timeline and how she dies and goes back and restarts the life over again.
Rob, you're awesome, but in this one I think an updated version is needed that clarifies some things: 1. Moira is a mutant with the power to reincarnate on herself and relive her life once again, kinda like Groundhog day. 2. Basically every "life" she has is an alternate timeline, which is rewritten every time she lives again. Which means that all of Marvel comics history as we know it has happened during Moiras 10th life. 3. She's currently living her 10th life, although Destiny said she might live an 11th. If she lived an 11th life, that would mean that the current Marvel history would become an obsolete timeline. 4. The most interesting thing is how one of her lives is missing, both from the graph and from the explanation. 5. The second most interesting thing (for me) is how her lifetime allied with Apocalypse extends itself beyond the chart, meaning it was her longest lived life. I will catch you all later. Peace!
Correction: A little surprised this confused you, Rob. It distinctly says that Moira relives her life Groundhog Day style rather than being reborn as a different person. Otherwise, it would be impossible for her to have had multiple lives where she meets Xavier before he forms the X-Men. But I do agree that they messed up her art to make it somewhat hazy. I do love how they brought back Destiny for this issue. It was such fun to see her. I've not seen anyone mention the fact that Pyro calls Destiny "mother" when he's told to burn Moira. Think this is a legit biological link or something else? Also, Magneto's base? It's the volcano octopus base from Claremont's era when Scott was with Lee Forrester! As an X-Man fan who has been reading and following their stories since the 80s, I can honestly say this was such an amazing read. I couldn't believe the way this fundamentally changed everything about my beloved characters and I loved it.
Rob you just flat out misunderstood the comic. It outright says in her first reincarnation that she couldn't love her husband again when she met him the second time and that's the timeline where she dies in a plane crash on the way to Xavier, so she is reincarnating back into herself not anyone/where else. Also the timelines on the back of the book make it clear. This is her 10th (Roman Numeral X) Life
Loving this series but still trying to understand, especially since I just picked up Inferno#1. So the Moira that we have always seen in the comics - Phoenix Saga storyline, Fatal Attractions storyline ect, ect is the 10th life that she is living? So I guess she hid that she was a mutant from everyone including the us/the readers that she is a mutant this whole time in the comics?
Rob totally read it wrong. Watch other YT'ers who actually followed the story. Rob must have been high when he read this. So disappointed he didn't understand the basic premise. I was so looking forward to his input into the overall discussion . But just throw this vid to the trash.
schumzy, It is a little off putting to see him so confused. I’m sure he’ll get it but I found it a very straight forward story. I also have a theory she will repeat the first 10 lives again and again. There’s an outside force at work with Moira here...I better stop theorizing cuz I’m going to be completely wrong lol!
Rob, love ya but you desperately need a reread. Miora's mutant power is described as reincarnation but it is a Groundhogs Day do-over power. She is always reborn as the same person to the same family at the same time. Her power is really passive time manipulation
@@RollyPolly74 lol. No it doesn't. Each life is dramatically different. It even states that the very act of observing a repeated event it changes it. Otherwise the entire issue would have beem page 1 over and over
Thank you for mentioning Groundhog Day, because I feel like narratively this is a total waste of what should be a completely broken mutant power. They could have made Moira the most lowkey OP background character just by giving her a few more lifetimes to become a martial arts grandmaster, or Sorceror Supreme, or super-rich through knowledge of key market shifts, or ALL OF THE ABOVE and more that didn't immediately come to my mind. I guess it makes sense that they limited her number of reincarnations in the story (not a hard limit, just what Destiny foresaw) because letting her run a little wild with this ability could quickly spiral into breaking a lot of stuff.
@@jchampagne2 i can't help but think Destiny actually forsaw her dying young in her 11th live. Since she couldnt SEE moria like others, she saw the gap in the world where should be. So at some point in the future, she foresaw that gap didnt exist anymore. So is the series ending with the death of young Moira 11? Are we getting a true reboot in xmen 1?
@@matthewschneider3391 "if she simply performed her role in events as she did in her previous life -- if she was a passive participant -- then that event would proceed almost exactly as before. This proved her memories were real. But if she became an active participant, then she could change what happened. And the path of her life would diverge". Guess you are correct
He seems like hes been phoning it in recently and trying to build his vlog shit. I personally just want to hear about comics i havent read or hear different povs on new ones. Not fortune cookie bullshit
Oh really? I hadn't noticed when there's 100 people all screaming about it in the comments. Do none of these dumbasses check before repeating the same thing dozens of people have already said?
3:04 It says that she can't repeat the same life because prior memories prevent it from being the same. So she ends up not getting with her original husband, and having children with him. The implication would be that she lives the same life repeatedly, but it turns out differently each time. So basically a full lifetime's worth of groundhog's day.
Rob, like the rest of the comments state, it's a time loop. She's on her 10th life. And they purposely skipped #6. One of the lives were of the comics we knew and grew up with, so while it's real, this is new. She's the fixed point of the mutant universe. Hence the other title (Powers of 10)...He chose her to by the lynch pin for all the writers past and future. It kind of straightens the already wonky timeline for the X-Men
We don't know how Moira died in the apocalypse line. She could have died from old age in a world ruled by Apocalypse. The timeline doesn't show how it ends.
That's because rob made a mistake. Moira doesn't reincarnate, she relives her same life over and over and makes different decisions. Kinda like groundhog's day.
It’s not her 11th life it’s her 10th that’s why it’s called the uncanny life of Moira X (10)...And look again at the timeline..she did not die in the Apocalypse timeline (the arrow keeps going). Also you forgot to mention the Quote from Apocalypse making somebody “Eternal”, which could be Moira and her “hidden” life
Not totally since her first time was with a different set of parents since that looked more like the 1800s so technically he is right her second life was to a totally different set of parents
You noticed that and not him repeating over and over it’s her 11th life and it’s her 10th 😂 The timeline says it’s and the comic is called the uncanny life of Moira X (Meaning Ten...)
@@leonardthomasiii1588 I you read the comic you clearly see that it's the same parents. It even has the ten timelines, she just comes back to her younger body with all knowledge of her previous lifes. She can make new choices. Same parents, same body, house, everything, she even goes to Oxford almost every time, because she chooses to.
@@Couick27 😂 yeah but in his defense I can see how he gets it wrong thinking Moira X stands for Moira Xavier.... was my first thought tbh till I read it
Yea he's missing a lot of info. He didn't mention the 6th timeline like other reviewers explained. And it never showed apocalypse dying or losing his war. It just goes on. We don't know how that one ends she could have lived for a thousand years as his herald. Rob is either massively dropping the ball or he is just not as good at explaining things as I originally thought.
Apocalypse didn't die in Moira's 9th life. Instead, he actually kept winning against everything the humans and Sentinels threw at him and therefore trapped Earth in a state of eternal war and conflict (which was dubbed Apocalypse war in the time line provided by the comic). We don't know what happened after that yet.
Rob you forgot to mention how Destiny told her she can only die and come back to life 11 times , so this time is her last and final time ..., that was kind of a big part of the story too lol you kind of made it seem like she can die and come back to life forever when she can only really do it 10-11 times
Guys, rob has been reading x men for years and has shared so much knowledge. I think we can forgive him for this one mistake based on a comic that JUST came out.
my friends think they are comic book fans because they watch RUclipsrs breakdown issues. I'm going to show them the house of x number two and show them this video so as to impress upon them the need to read the comics for themselves. However nor I my friends or anyone should completely write off Rob's videos 90% of the time he's better than this
Gotta say, the idea of one person trying over and over again to avert disaster, going to further and further extremes each time out of desperation and despair at her own failure until she outright allies with a supervillain is really cool and compelling, especially when you envision just how that fateful meeting must have gone down. I'm not supremely well-versed in the X-Men lore, but I can only imagine Apocalypse's reaction to Moira's tale was akin to Thanos seeing his own beheading in Endgame.
David Kim she probably never reached a point in any of her lives to where she actually got to meet him because she was so focused on her goals in each life
Its stated she lives the same life over and over, which makes her powers even more powerful since reality changes to fit how she lives her next life. This is stated when shes being threatened and then burned alive by Destiny in her one life. Its also clarified by the time map jn the back of the book, and by Moira herself saying if she was not an active participant she would live the same life again. She lives the same exact life over unless she changes something.
Power of X #2 HELLO OLD FRIEND Destiny "I see ten lives, maybe eleven if you make the right choice at the end". And like others comments above who argue about loops, it's literally page 28 in comic that shows "The many lives of Moira X"
The Blob (Lee/Kirby creation from X-Men #3) was also shown to be a member of the 2nd incarnation of The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants that first appeared in X-Men #141, which every X-Men fan should be aware was Byrne/Claremont's classic Days of Future Past. Rogue would join this group in Avengers Annual #10.
This is only the second issue and I am already so invested, and Hickman giving Moira this Redo mutant power is so cool, she's totally gonna be a huge asset as the story develops and I can't wait :)
This so much. If I'm remembering correctly he said in one of his earlier videos that he hasn't even read all the issues. How can you claim to be an expert if you are basing most of your info off of second hand knowledge from wiki?
I loved this comic! But from how I saw it it's Groundhog day rules. When she dies she wakes up (or is reborn) in the same year, same parents, same place. She just makes different choices based on her knowledge of her past lives. But if you see when she first sees Charles at the bar she's the same person every time. She just looks different sometimes when she first meets Charles because she's meets him at different times in her life.
Where the hell are you getting she "comes out in a totally different form then the way she looked when she was younger?" She very clearly looks exactly the same every time and comes from the same parents.
Your channel actually got me to start buying comics again. I still prefer collected volumes cuz I want a chunk of narrative. You highlighted some of the better storylines I wanted to experience for myself and yeaaah. Youre helping resurrect this passion
Moira was definitely living the same life over and over. It was shown not told with her not wanting her husband in her second life, to her being drawn the same way in each life, to the breakdown on the last page or so that showed her actions and names
(immediately skips current video and clicks this one.) You've been keeping us waiting lately, Rob. lol *suspence* . The Moira Revelation was genius! HOX/POX is great so far. 👐🏾⚡🌩️⛈️🌪️
This story could easily be it's own movie anthology at the scale of Avengers. Would love to see this happen and the MCU deploying X-Men as the next big series alongside Avengers with this story arc.
Bro she doesn't die in the apocalypse one cause if you read the pages with the long lines showing her actions in each life, it shows a dot at the end of the ones she died in and a bunch of arrows for the ones she's still alive in, like the current timeline and apocalypse timeline
also SPOILER, maybe touch on the fact that Hickman omits any information about her 6th lifetime and also we don't know how she died during her "apocalypse" lifetime
"Apocalypse ends up falling, ends up dying" the timelines at the back of the book clearly show that his war continues on so there's no reason to assume he died but Moira clearly did. Also the timelines show that House of X is in the 10th timeline not the 11th. Speaking of which, you didn't mention the missing 6th timeline at all.
You did get a few things wrong, Rob, but the one I haven't seen anyone mention is the fact that in Moira's 9th life (AoA) Apocalypse didn't fall but, most importantly, neither did Moira. This is further bolstered by the timeline graphic at the end that shows every timeline ending with Moira's death except for the AoA and current timelines which continue on alongside each other. Another thing you failed to mention is how insanely badass Pepe Larraz's Apocalypse looks.
Here are a few interesting things to consider. 1. Her son Proteus' powers are reality warping and body possession. 2. Destiny died at the hands of Legion on Muir Island and interpreted cryptic messages of hers to kill Magneto but accidentally kills his father thus setting off the reality of Age of Apocalypse. 3. Two Trasks are not mentioned in her assassinations Larry and Tanya. Two mutants with the abilities of Precognition and Time Travel respectively. 4. In the AoA she was married to Bolivar Trask 5. Destiny's grandson Trevor Chase is also reality warper. 6. A resurrected Destiny made Telepathic contact with her distant relative Bliindfold who was possessed by Proteus. Idk I think the missing timeline is just the AoA because it was essentially undone and was a result of someone else changing the reality and if I am correct the first time we witnessed an alternate reality in regards to the X-men.
So she has the mutant power of "Groundhog Day"? To me that just seems like a really stupid power with a high potential of convoluting everything. Or maybe I'm wrong what does everyone else think?
Technically John didn't really change anything , he basically Used Moira to combine every single alternate universe , and previous canon X-Men storylines. This is pure genius , it is like as if you said Aunt May could remember each alternate timeline and discovers Peter Parker acts better if her husband dies and she pretends not to know his identity. Knowingly making those sacrifices and allowing time to take it's course with slightly small adjustments like dating Dr Octopus.
Franklin Richards SERIOUSLY needs to get some kind of role in this as arguably the world's most powerful mutant and the guy partially responsible for the current timeline existing (Secret Wars).
I love how many times you say 11, when there's such a huge importance in the story and themes to the number 10, thus X. Powers of 10, each era being shown as a power of 10, etc. She is even called Moira X, meaning the 10th life, the 10th version of her, the 10th reincarnation, the 10th .... you get it. Like so many have already said, RE-READ the comic, please.
Hey, Rob. Love your channel. Always come here after reading to get your thoughts. I'm sort of confused by some of what Hickman has presented so far, but I figured he's setting up some mystery behind the events and hasn't completely pulled back the curtain just yet. For example, if you look at the time lines at the end of the issue, they are all lined up perfectly from the day she is born and my guess this was done purposely to show that not only is each life of hers a reincarnation, but it is the same Moira with the same family and the same everything (which she discusses in the first few pages when she talks about life 2 and how she is not simply an observer and how she can't fall in love with the same person and live out the same events of her first life). Additionally, that scene of her at the bar and Charles being sort of in the background gets repeated as if she had been there before, which leads me to believe that she is in fact the same Moira and not reincarnating into a different body everytime, otherwise, Charles would eventually get old and she eventually would never meet him. I really do think this is a Groundhog Day, Happy Death Day, Edge of Tomorrow type of situation except when she dies, she wakes up back in her mother's womb. But I dont know for sure, you might be right. Also, if you look at the timeline, her 6th life is missing. I was thinking was this a typo? And she in fact does skip over that during the course of the issue. She talks about her 5th life and then skips over to her 7th. Additionally, I dont think life 3 is the life that we are all familiar with from the events of the X-Men history since life 10 seems to most accurately cover that life by including the birth of Proteus and her marriage to Joseph McTaggart. But I'm confused by that timeline because didnt she die because of the legacy virus or am I missing something? Was she revived? But how does that work now for someone that can be reincarnated? Also, life 9 with Apocalypse seemingly continues off into infinity??? I guess we just have to wait and see...
This means one of two things. 1 she is reborn in a different universe each time or 2 her conciousness is one with time as it resets every time she dies. That being said her ability is not a mutation but rather Gid like as it's her conciousness that is reborn and not her physical body
Some corrections: 1) She relives her life from her inception, after every death. Think groundhog day. Otherwise, she couldn't keep meeting Xavier and Magneto. 2) She created the cure in her 3rd life, and loved Xavier in her 4th life. 3) She's currently in her 10th life, not her 11th.
It seems to me that her powers are a one time deal only manifesting itself at death which would explain why we never knew she was a mutant because she wasn't one only at the moment of death sending her consciousness to the fixed point of her birth.
Great video Rob--but I'mma need for your to give your take on all of the Hickman minutia (timelines, Moira's supposed death, the missing ten years, etc) in this event as only you can.
Ive been waiting until you did a few HOX videos before I started watching them and for some reason I started reading the comments for this one after seeing #1 and now im afraid to press the play button, but I love you and your videos regardless so I'm going to watch this.
A friend of mine recently put me onto this channel, and all the videos I've seen have been amazing. Until this one. I'm not sure what happened here, but a lot of facts were misinterpreted during the events in this video. Moira literally relives the same life each time, she isn't a "new person" and she doesn't look different. She just has the experience of the previous lives to make changes in the new one. Also, she wasn't born "100 years" in the past. She's around Xavier's age, clearly. And then at the end you mention that she's on her 11th life. The diagram at the end of the comic clearly states that it's her tenth life that we are seeing in which she reveals everything to Xavier.
Rob, thanks for uploading your video today. I had been waiting since reading the issue to see it. 2 important things. Moira lives the same life over and over (parents, timing, appearance) she just has all the knowledge of previous lives. This is indeed her 10th life. Destiny evens says “if she makes the right choice in the end she might get an 11th.” P.S. Life 6 is completely missing from the timeline.
You got the reincarnation wrong my dude. Also destiny flat out told her at some point she will stop reincarnating and if she didn't, the future will always be in flux as Moira is essentially in a time loop where she remembers each previous life and can alter the future a different way each time.
Hey Rob, I can hear the excitement in your voice doing these Hickman videos. I bet back in the day when people were giving you a hard time for reading comics the way you did/do you Never pictured yourself doing what your doing. Shit it didn’t exist lol. I just wanted to say you make me proud to be a geek man. Im happy for you and all your success. Keep doin your thing👍🏾👏🏾✊🏾
Also, it was her tenth time, not eleventh. Remember Destiny eluded to the point that she only sees 11 lives and she could die young before her mutant power manifests.
Yes, "I see ten lives, maybe eleven if you make the right choice at the end". And like others comments above who argue about loops, it's literally page 28 in comic that shows "The many lives of Moira X"
Or, and this may sound weird, 10 was just how many destiny could see herself, but there's actually more and she just couldn't see them. Remember she said 10 or 11, she wasn't exactly sure.
There's also that page where it shows her various timelines and points of actions. It goes up to ten and seven is missing. It is implied that we are currently on the tenth life.
We all read what Destiny told Moria, "I see ten lives, Moria. Maybe eleven if you make the right choice at the end...but that is all." Everyone is assuming that Moria only has 10 to 11 lives. Who says Destiny is correct? There is nothing to conclude that Moria will not continue living the same life for all eternity. Also, we know that the further out Destiny looks at the future the more likely she is to be wrong because there are too many variables that could occur. However, Destiny did give a clue how it all could end and that's if Moria died before her powers manifest.
Taggart is the absolute definition why humanity is justified in their fear of mutants - she, on her own, has decided that she can dictate the world's path no matter who dies along the way. Its not the fear that little timmy or jane is going to kill everyone around them, its that someone who has powers will just decide one day " I don't feel like you matter any more, good bye"
This is super super super confusing if she's got her own personal time loop of ten lives if you consider those loops in the context of all the time travel in Marvel comics. Which part of her loop appears in each time travel event? The time travel events that resolve themselves aren't a big issue (Age of Apocalypse) but the major retcons on things like Secret Wars raises some interesting questions.
? You need to read it again. Rob!!!! Read it again!!!! Morra live the same life over she just makes different decisions
He didn't make a good explanation of it as well.
oh i see. The way rob explained it made no sense at all.
Ah. I was wondering.
No wonder I was confused as to why Charles was the same age lol
Thank you. I am like...did the entire universe get reborn every time she died. What the wha?
nah rob, she relives the same life, makes different choices. otherwise how could she meet Charles Xavier multiple times BEFORE he had founded the X-Men?
And she seems to have a limited amount according to destiny
Its hella confusing tho. Cause he does make it like shes born as a different kid.. But then shes not. She has the same time table every time she relives the life.. But i dont think the first life was the same life. I think it was earlier then the 9 rebirths after.
she didn't seem like a different kid to me at all. looked like the same Moira just at different ages.
@@darkslim Yeah where the hell are people getting this? Literally the entire point is she's born the same way every single time so she knows how to change things.
@@anthonymarciano6050 I think that's referring to the fact that if she dies before her powers manifest she's dead dead so clearly something happens in her 10th or 11th trip where she dies young.
Rob It wasn't a Hundred years ago. She's not reborn in a different body. She's reborn in the same body each and every time. Her reincarnation is a time loop. She dies, and then gets reborn to the same parents the same time each time she reincarnates.
Kekkersboy it's not a time loop!
@@taylorcuch2480 It is. The back of the comic specifically shows the timeloop. It quite literally shows the timeline and how she dies and goes back and restarts the life over again.
@@taylorcuch2480 it is a time loop, think Groundhog Day with Bill Murray.
@@e3m88 Yep. They actually have the loop written out on the last two pages of the book.
@@taylorcuch2480 It is bruh
Rob, you're awesome, but in this one I think an updated version is needed that clarifies some things:
1. Moira is a mutant with the power to reincarnate on herself and relive her life once again, kinda like Groundhog day.
2. Basically every "life" she has is an alternate timeline, which is rewritten every time she lives again. Which means that all of Marvel comics history as we know it has happened during Moiras 10th life.
3. She's currently living her 10th life, although Destiny said she might live an 11th. If she lived an 11th life, that would mean that the current Marvel history would become an obsolete timeline.
4. The most interesting thing is how one of her lives is missing, both from the graph and from the explanation.
5. The second most interesting thing (for me) is how her lifetime allied with Apocalypse extends itself beyond the chart, meaning it was her longest lived life.
I will catch you all later. Peace!
"Nah Rob, this ain't it" is the funniest comment I've read from the Rob Corps ever. 🤣😂🤣
Got a feeling this video will be reincarted with a different explanation the next time.
Quite fittingly.
~_~
LOL for the irony.
Perfect comment. You win the internets this day.
Looooool.
Yea, this ain't it Rob. Re-do
That's what I thought.
He should pull a Moira MacTaggert
😂😂😂😂
Correction: A little surprised this confused you, Rob. It distinctly says that Moira relives her life Groundhog Day style rather than being reborn as a different person. Otherwise, it would be impossible for her to have had multiple lives where she meets Xavier before he forms the X-Men. But I do agree that they messed up her art to make it somewhat hazy.
I do love how they brought back Destiny for this issue. It was such fun to see her.
I've not seen anyone mention the fact that Pyro calls Destiny "mother" when he's told to burn Moira. Think this is a legit biological link or something else?
Also, Magneto's base? It's the volcano octopus base from Claremont's era when Scott was with Lee Forrester!
As an X-Man fan who has been reading and following their stories since the 80s, I can honestly say this was such an amazing read. I couldn't believe the way this fundamentally changed everything about my beloved characters and I loved it.
Rob.. she's Edge_of_Tomorrow.Mutant
When she does she goes back into her fetal body and relives her life with all the information she had
Well played. Well played.
I was going to post the same thing, other than that it's nice to see them make Moira interesting for once.
Thanks, I was confused by how he was explaining her powers
Her being a mutant in disguise also explains s why she caught the legacy virus over a decade ago
@@3rdfitzgerald lol yes, and they never did explain did they? I guess we should've figured that out at that point 😏
Rob you just flat out misunderstood the comic. It outright says in her first reincarnation that she couldn't love her husband again when she met him the second time and that's the timeline where she dies in a plane crash on the way to Xavier, so she is reincarnating back into herself not anyone/where else. Also the timelines on the back of the book make it clear. This is her 10th (Roman Numeral X) Life
CyberNinjaZero 😂😂😂
Right!!!
@Robert Raddison We see the Timelines numbered exactly and the one where all of X-Men continuity up to now happened is #10
Loving this series but still trying to understand, especially since I just picked up Inferno#1. So the Moira that we have always seen in the comics - Phoenix Saga storyline, Fatal Attractions storyline ect, ect is the 10th life that she is living? So I guess she hid that she was a mutant from everyone including the us/the readers that she is a mutant this whole time in the comics?
Aren't we on the Moira X timeline meaning her 10th life, not her 11th?
Magnamic yes, it’s called the uncanny life of Moira X, and Destiny said depending on what she does in life 10, she “Might” reincarnate a 11th life
Yea this is her 10th life. In the comic it shows a timeline and the 10th shows house of x
Humpfh. I just figured its Moira X because her powers manifested. Honesstly I didnt read it and dont care. Gonna be ret conned in 2 years again anway.
Rob totally read it wrong. Watch other YT'ers who actually followed the story. Rob must have been high when he read this. So disappointed he didn't understand the basic premise. I was so looking forward to his input into the overall discussion . But just throw this vid to the trash.
schumzy,
It is a little off putting to see him so confused. I’m sure he’ll get it but I found it a very straight forward story.
I also have a theory she will repeat the first 10 lives again and again. There’s an outside force at work with Moira here...I better stop theorizing cuz I’m going to be completely wrong lol!
Rob, love ya but you desperately need a reread. Miora's mutant power is described as reincarnation but it is a Groundhogs Day do-over power. She is always reborn as the same person to the same family at the same time.
Her power is really passive time manipulation
Matthew Schneider actually they state she really can't change anything
@@RollyPolly74 lol. No it doesn't. Each life is dramatically different. It even states that the very act of observing a repeated event it changes it. Otherwise the entire issue would have beem page 1 over and over
Thank you for mentioning Groundhog Day, because I feel like narratively this is a total waste of what should be a completely broken mutant power. They could have made Moira the most lowkey OP background character just by giving her a few more lifetimes to become a martial arts grandmaster, or Sorceror Supreme, or super-rich through knowledge of key market shifts, or ALL OF THE ABOVE and more that didn't immediately come to my mind.
I guess it makes sense that they limited her number of reincarnations in the story (not a hard limit, just what Destiny foresaw) because letting her run a little wild with this ability could quickly spiral into breaking a lot of stuff.
@@jchampagne2 i can't help but think Destiny actually forsaw her dying young in her 11th live. Since she couldnt SEE moria like others, she saw the gap in the world where should be. So at some point in the future, she foresaw that gap didnt exist anymore.
So is the series ending with the death of young Moira 11? Are we getting a true reboot in xmen 1?
@@matthewschneider3391 "if she simply performed her role in events as she did in her previous life -- if she was a passive participant -- then that event would proceed almost exactly as before. This proved her memories were real. But if she became an active participant, then she could change what happened. And the path of her life would diverge". Guess you are correct
The biggest Hickman mystery is "How did Rob confuse so many facts in this comic?"
He does interpret some things strangely at times...
@@DonMegaPLP a looooot of times. That was my only thing with this videos
agreed, like where is he getting all these points. When they haven't even manifested...
Like?
He seems like hes been phoning it in recently and trying to build his vlog shit. I personally just want to hear about comics i havent read or hear different povs on new ones. Not fortune cookie bullshit
Mephisto: I'm the master of diabolical retcons!
Hickman: House of X
Mephisto: Nani?
Oh no. Rob got the reincarnation wrong...
He also got the number of lives wrong in the end, too...
Oh really? I hadn't noticed when there's 100 people all screaming about it in the comments.
Do none of these dumbasses check before repeating the same thing dozens of people have already said?
@@Jayfive276 Sorry you feel that way. Have a great rest of your day.
@@Jayfive276, why are you such a butthole?
Lol Rob....re-read it please....a lot of misunderstanding here
I think you confused Moira's mutant power. Her power is basically "groundhog day". She keeps relieving her own life.
Welp at least Rob got destiny's history right 😌.
3:04 It says that she can't repeat the same life because prior memories prevent it from being the same. So she ends up not getting with her original husband, and having children with him. The implication would be that she lives the same life repeatedly, but it turns out differently each time. So basically a full lifetime's worth of groundhog's day.
Rob, like the rest of the comments state, it's a time loop. She's on her 10th life. And they purposely skipped #6. One of the lives were of the comics we knew and grew up with, so while it's real, this is new. She's the fixed point of the mutant universe. Hence the other title (Powers of 10)...He chose her to by the lynch pin for all the writers past and future. It kind of straightens the already wonky timeline for the X-Men
We don't know how Moira died in the apocalypse line. She could have died from old age in a world ruled by Apocalypse. The timeline doesn't show how it ends.
You should recreate this video 10 times... and then get it right on the 11th try.
That would be quite a feat, and I kind of want to see it done, but ultimately I don't think it would be wise
oh snapp the art guy just laid it dowwwwnn
And in her eleventh life, Moira hit that like button and joined the Rob Corps...
And in the 13th, she hops into a Police Box.
The epicness of this comic is off the F**** charts.
I haven’t even read it and I could tell his explanation makes no sense...
Same here
That's because rob made a mistake. Moira doesn't reincarnate, she relives her same life over and over and makes different decisions. Kinda like groundhog's day.
It’s not her 11th life it’s her 10th that’s why it’s called the uncanny life of Moira X (10)...And look again at the timeline..she did not die in the Apocalypse timeline (the arrow keeps going). Also you forgot to mention the Quote from Apocalypse making somebody “Eternal”, which could be Moira and her “hidden” life
I never specifically says Apocalypse dies. And you have to assume Moira dies at some point if she is born again later.
Eternals!! Oh wow, I think we just saw how Marvel is going to bring the mutants into the MCU. Moria Mctaggart as an eternal mutant.
Destiny and Mystique absolutely were/are lovers. Their relationship is established canon.
2:48 lol this is completely wrong and you should delete this video asap.
Not totally since her first time was with a different set of parents since that looked more like the 1800s so technically he is right her second life was to a totally different set of parents
You noticed that and not him repeating over and over it’s her 11th life and it’s her 10th 😂 The timeline says it’s and the comic is called the uncanny life of Moira X (Meaning Ten...)
@@leonardthomasiii1588 I you read the comic you clearly see that it's the same parents. It even has the ten timelines, she just comes back to her younger body with all knowledge of her previous lifes. She can make new choices. Same parents, same body, house, everything, she even goes to Oxford almost every time, because she chooses to.
@@Couick27 😂 yeah but in his defense I can see how he gets it wrong thinking Moira X stands for Moira Xavier.... was my first thought tbh till I read it
They even put the timeline that specifically says "house of X" and continues. It's her 10th life
Also there's a timeline missing. Timeline 6 I believe.
Universe 616 maybe. The other events in her other lives are familiar but doesn't fit in current timeline.
Its 7. I wonder what happened there. Must have left it out for a reason.
@@graydenday3760 no it's 6
@@fuzz733 correct I double checked
Yea he's missing a lot of info. He didn't mention the 6th timeline like other reviewers explained. And it never showed apocalypse dying or losing his war. It just goes on. We don't know how that one ends she could have lived for a thousand years as his herald. Rob is either massively dropping the ball or he is just not as good at explaining things as I originally thought.
Apocalypse didn't die in Moira's 9th life. Instead, he actually kept winning against everything the humans and Sentinels threw at him and therefore trapped Earth in a state of eternal war and conflict (which was dubbed Apocalypse war in the time line provided by the comic). We don't know what happened after that yet.
Jonathan Hickman IS doing crazy wonders to the X-MEN mythos and I love it 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Edge of tomorrow meets Groundhog Day meets the Butterfly effect!!!
Rob you forgot to mention how Destiny told her she can only die and come back to life 11 times , so this time is her last and final time ..., that was kind of a big part of the story too lol you kind of made it seem like she can die and come back to life forever when she can only really do it 10-11 times
Guys, rob has been reading x men for years and has shared so much knowledge. I think we can forgive him for this one mistake based on a comic that JUST came out.
Rob: we've never really talked about a mutant with the power of immortality or really the power to die and be reborn. Jean grey: am I a joke to you?
yes
@@jasonilgenfritz4958 lol good. I don't like her
my friends think they are comic book fans because they watch RUclipsrs breakdown issues. I'm going to show them the house of x number two and show them this video so as to impress upon them the need to read the comics for themselves. However nor I my friends or anyone should completely write off Rob's videos 90% of the time he's better than this
There's other videos on house of x that are much better and detail the missing 6th life and other cool facts. Rob has done a terrible job on this one.
Gotta say, the idea of one person trying over and over again to avert disaster, going to further and further extremes each time out of desperation and despair at her own failure until she outright allies with a supervillain is really cool and compelling, especially when you envision just how that fateful meeting must have gone down. I'm not supremely well-versed in the X-Men lore, but I can only imagine Apocalypse's reaction to Moira's tale was akin to Thanos seeing his own beheading in Endgame.
Imagine getting bodied by sentinels over and over and over again and not even once trying to contact Hank Pym
David Kim she probably never reached a point in any of her lives to where she actually got to meet him because she was so focused on her goals in each life
Its stated she lives the same life over and over, which makes her powers even more powerful since reality changes to fit how she lives her next life. This is stated when shes being threatened and then burned alive by Destiny in her one life. Its also clarified by the time map jn the back of the book, and by Moira herself saying if she was not an active participant she would live the same life again. She lives the same exact life over unless she changes something.
Power of X #2 HELLO OLD FRIEND
Destiny "I see ten lives, maybe eleven if you make the right choice at the end". And like others comments above who argue about loops, it's literally page 28 in comic that shows "The many lives of Moira X"
Loving your description of Apocalypse's evolutionary ideal and his devotion to it.
The Blob (Lee/Kirby creation from X-Men #3) was also shown to be a member of the 2nd incarnation of The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants that first appeared in X-Men #141, which every X-Men fan should be aware was Byrne/Claremont's classic Days of Future Past. Rogue would join this group in Avengers Annual #10.
This is only the second issue and I am already so invested, and Hickman giving Moira this Redo mutant power is so cool, she's totally gonna be a huge asset as the story develops and I can't wait :)
No one:
Rob: you know I'm something of a xmen expert myself
This so much. If I'm remembering correctly he said in one of his earlier videos that he hasn't even read all the issues. How can you claim to be an expert if you are basing most of your info off of second hand knowledge from wiki?
To the comic readers --> y’all noticed it completely skips over her 6th life and doesn’t have a featured timeline?
How did I not notice this? Good catch.
I loved this comic! But from how I saw it it's Groundhog day rules. When she dies she wakes up (or is reborn) in the same year, same parents, same place. She just makes different choices based on her knowledge of her past lives. But if you see when she first sees Charles at the bar she's the same person every time. She just looks different sometimes when she first meets Charles because she's meets him at different times in her life.
poor Moira. that's gotta be the crappiest mutant power off all the mutants ever. Hickman's a genius!
Where the hell are you getting she "comes out in a totally different form then the way she looked when she was younger?"
She very clearly looks exactly the same every time and comes from the same parents.
Your channel actually got me to start buying comics again. I still prefer collected volumes cuz I want a chunk of narrative. You highlighted some of the better storylines I wanted to experience for myself and yeaaah. Youre helping resurrect this passion
I wonder if Moira has considered that she may actually be the one to be causing all the destruction.
I just read this, and damn this was good! When Moira told Magneto about the stuff she's seen and lived, man was he pissed! Omg!
Moira was definitely living the same life over and over. It was shown not told with her not wanting her husband in her second life, to her being drawn the same way in each life, to the breakdown on the last page or so that showed her actions and names
Wether you got it right or wrong man, your videos are always a highlight to my day. Keep up the good work.👍🏻
(immediately skips current video and clicks this one.) You've been keeping us waiting lately, Rob. lol *suspence* . The Moira Revelation was genius! HOX/POX is great so far. 👐🏾⚡🌩️⛈️🌪️
This story could easily be it's own movie anthology at the scale of Avengers. Would love to see this happen and the MCU deploying X-Men as the next big series alongside Avengers with this story arc.
Bro she doesn't die in the apocalypse one cause if you read the pages with the long lines showing her actions in each life, it shows a dot at the end of the ones she died in and a bunch of arrows for the ones she's still alive in, like the current timeline and apocalypse timeline
also SPOILER, maybe touch on the fact that Hickman omits any information about her 6th lifetime and also we don't know how she died during her "apocalypse" lifetime
I assumed the 6th was the life we know already. Where she is the only "human" to die of the legacy virus.
"Apocalypse ends up falling, ends up dying" the timelines at the back of the book clearly show that his war continues on so there's no reason to assume he died but Moira clearly did. Also the timelines show that House of X is in the 10th timeline not the 11th. Speaking of which, you didn't mention the missing 6th timeline at all.
Love the steady flow of videos lately
Are you KIDDING? It is made VERY clear she is reborn and starts her own original life again. No different timeframe.
You did get a few things wrong, Rob, but the one I haven't seen anyone mention is the fact that in Moira's 9th life (AoA) Apocalypse didn't fall but, most importantly, neither did Moira. This is further bolstered by the timeline graphic at the end that shows every timeline ending with Moira's death except for the AoA and current timelines which continue on alongside each other.
Another thing you failed to mention is how insanely badass Pepe Larraz's Apocalypse looks.
Here are a few interesting things to consider. 1. Her son Proteus' powers are reality warping and body possession. 2. Destiny died at the hands of Legion on Muir Island and interpreted cryptic messages of hers to kill Magneto but accidentally kills his father thus setting off the reality of Age of Apocalypse. 3. Two Trasks are not mentioned in her assassinations Larry and Tanya. Two mutants with the abilities of Precognition and Time Travel respectively. 4. In the AoA she was married to Bolivar Trask 5. Destiny's grandson Trevor Chase is also reality warper. 6. A resurrected Destiny made Telepathic contact with her distant relative Bliindfold who was possessed by Proteus.
Idk I think the missing timeline is just the AoA because it was essentially undone and was a result of someone else changing the reality and if I am correct the first time we witnessed an alternate reality in regards to the X-men.
So she has the mutant power of "Groundhog Day"? To me that just seems like a really stupid power with a high potential of convoluting everything. Or maybe I'm wrong what does everyone else think?
Now in her tenth live Moira & Charles Xavier have decided to "Break the Rule" then it mean "Dawn of X" are the rule that had been broke by them
Technically John didn't really change anything , he basically Used Moira to combine every single alternate universe , and previous canon X-Men storylines. This is pure genius , it is like as if you said Aunt May could remember each alternate timeline and discovers Peter Parker acts better if her husband dies and she pretends not to know his identity. Knowingly making those sacrifices and allowing time to take it's course with slightly small adjustments like dating Dr Octopus.
Even when he's wrong his enthusiasm makes it a good video
Franklin Richards SERIOUSLY needs to get some kind of role in this as arguably the world's most powerful mutant and the guy partially responsible for the current timeline existing (Secret Wars).
Big fan of the channel. Looking forward to your updated review of this issue.
I love how many times you say 11, when there's such a huge importance in the story and themes to the number 10, thus X. Powers of 10, each era being shown as a power of 10, etc. She is even called Moira X, meaning the 10th life, the 10th version of her, the 10th reincarnation, the 10th .... you get it. Like so many have already said, RE-READ the comic, please.
Hey, Rob. Love your channel. Always come here after reading to get your thoughts. I'm sort of confused by some of what Hickman has presented so far, but I figured he's setting up some mystery behind the events and hasn't completely pulled back the curtain just yet. For example, if you look at the time lines at the end of the issue, they are all lined up perfectly from the day she is born and my guess this was done purposely to show that not only is each life of hers a reincarnation, but it is the same Moira with the same family and the same everything (which she discusses in the first few pages when she talks about life 2 and how she is not simply an observer and how she can't fall in love with the same person and live out the same events of her first life). Additionally, that scene of her at the bar and Charles being sort of in the background gets repeated as if she had been there before, which leads me to believe that she is in fact the same Moira and not reincarnating into a different body everytime, otherwise, Charles would eventually get old and she eventually would never meet him.
I really do think this is a Groundhog Day, Happy Death Day, Edge of Tomorrow type of situation except when she dies, she wakes up back in her mother's womb. But I dont know for sure, you might be right.
Also, if you look at the timeline, her 6th life is missing. I was thinking was this a typo? And she in fact does skip over that during the course of the issue. She talks about her 5th life and then skips over to her 7th. Additionally, I dont think life 3 is the life that we are all familiar with from the events of the X-Men history since life 10 seems to most accurately cover that life by including the birth of Proteus and her marriage to Joseph McTaggart. But I'm confused by that timeline because didnt she die because of the legacy virus or am I missing something? Was she revived? But how does that work now for someone that can be reincarnated? Also, life 9 with Apocalypse seemingly continues off into infinity??? I guess we just have to wait and see...
Keep it up bro 👊 love the content
Also, will you ever cover Nimrod vs Apocalypse??
Awesome videos I’m loving this new XMen thanks for explaining
Basically, she's Tom Cruise in Edge of Tommorow. Did anybody catch that she's missing a 6th life? Check out her timeline.
So Moira is reborn in the same year over and over? Woahhh
Her superhero name should be Groundhog Day.
Her power allows her to relive her life over and over agajn. She can't stop it
This means one of two things. 1 she is reborn in a different universe each time or 2 her conciousness is one with time as it resets every time she dies. That being said her ability is not a mutation but rather Gid like as it's her conciousness that is reborn and not her physical body
In the bar where she goes to meet Prof X, there's a sign that says "GROUNDHOG DAY HAPPY HOUR" lmao
Some corrections:
1) She relives her life from her inception, after every death. Think groundhog day. Otherwise, she couldn't keep meeting Xavier and Magneto.
2) She created the cure in her 3rd life, and loved Xavier in her 4th life.
3) She's currently in her 10th life, not her 11th.
Years of studying about reincarnation...Okay fine. You caught me. Years of watching isekai anime has trained me for understanding Moira's situation.
So.. what you are telling me is "Chicks dig giant robots"?
I understood it perfectly...I think its amazing... thanks Rob... a def must read
It seems to me that her powers are a one time deal only manifesting itself at death which would explain why we never knew she was a mutant because she wasn't one only at the moment of death sending her consciousness to the fixed point of her birth.
Great video Rob--but I'mma need for your to give your take on all of the Hickman minutia (timelines, Moira's supposed death, the missing ten years, etc) in this event as only you can.
I have been waiting for your dive-in on this one!!!
Ive been waiting until you did a few HOX videos before I started watching them and for some reason I started reading the comments for this one after seeing #1 and now im afraid to press the play button, but I love you and your videos regardless so I'm going to watch this.
the way you talked about it, I took a while to realize she was being reborn in the same life and reliving it. Reincarnation is a very different thing.
Rob were you not a fan of this issue? I ask because it seems you either mailed this video in or rushed it out.
A friend of mine recently put me onto this channel, and all the videos I've seen have been amazing. Until this one. I'm not sure what happened here, but a lot of facts were misinterpreted during the events in this video. Moira literally relives the same life each time, she isn't a "new person" and she doesn't look different. She just has the experience of the previous lives to make changes in the new one. Also, she wasn't born "100 years" in the past. She's around Xavier's age, clearly. And then at the end you mention that she's on her 11th life. The diagram at the end of the comic clearly states that it's her tenth life that we are seeing in which she reveals everything to Xavier.
Rob, thanks for uploading your video today. I had been waiting since reading the issue to see it.
2 important things. Moira lives the same life over and over (parents, timing, appearance) she just has all the knowledge of previous lives. This is indeed her 10th life. Destiny evens says “if she makes the right choice in the end she might get an 11th.”
P.S. Life 6 is completely missing from the timeline.
You got the reincarnation wrong my dude. Also destiny flat out told her at some point she will stop reincarnating and if she didn't, the future will always be in flux as Moira is essentially in a time loop where she remembers each previous life and can alter the future a different way each time.
Hey Rob, I can hear the excitement in your voice doing these Hickman videos. I bet back in the day when people were giving you a hard time for reading comics the way you did/do you Never pictured yourself doing what your doing. Shit it didn’t exist lol. I just wanted to say you make me proud to be a geek man. Im happy for you and all your success. Keep doin your thing👍🏾👏🏾✊🏾
Also, it was her tenth time, not eleventh. Remember Destiny eluded to the point that she only sees 11 lives and she could die young before her mutant power manifests.
Yes, "I see ten lives, maybe eleven if you make the right choice at the end". And like others comments above who argue about loops, it's literally page 28 in comic that shows "The many lives of Moira X"
Or, and this may sound weird, 10 was just how many destiny could see herself, but there's actually more and she just couldn't see them. Remember she said 10 or 11, she wasn't exactly sure.
It's Marvel, of course its not going to stick, they can say she specifically said 10 or 11 to influence Moira
There's also that page where it shows her various timelines and points of actions. It goes up to ten and seven is missing. It is implied that we are currently on the tenth life.
Rob we don’t know the end of what happened to apocalypse.
When I first saw this title before watching this video I was thinking of Deadpools daughter, but man this retcon is freaking amazing!
Nice video, where is the panel from with I'm assuming it's Magneto on the octopus squid throne when she takes the boat over and vows to him?
We all read what Destiny told Moria, "I see ten lives, Moria. Maybe eleven if you make the right choice at the end...but that is all." Everyone is assuming that Moria only has 10 to 11 lives. Who says Destiny is correct? There is nothing to conclude that Moria will not continue living the same life for all eternity. Also, we know that the further out Destiny looks at the future the more likely she is to be wrong because there are too many variables that could occur. However, Destiny did give a clue how it all could end and that's if Moria died before her powers manifest.
Anyone else loving how Hickman is at least attempting to pull all the X-Men titles together into one cohesive history?
Taggart is the absolute definition why humanity is justified in their fear of mutants - she, on her own, has decided that she can dictate the world's path no matter who dies along the way. Its not the fear that little timmy or jane is going to kill everyone around them, its that someone who has powers will just decide one day " I don't feel like you matter any more, good bye"
Yes. Let's watch this. I'm can't wait to see the next chapter of this. Thanks Hickman. Great video, man.
This is super super super confusing if she's got her own personal time loop of ten lives if you consider those loops in the context of all the time travel in Marvel comics. Which part of her loop appears in each time travel event? The time travel events that resolve themselves aren't a big issue (Age of Apocalypse) but the major retcons on things like Secret Wars raises some interesting questions.