Italy: His capitol was taken, people no longer support war, starts a civil war, north Italy was under facist control and fights against the restored monarchy Everyone: LoL iTaLy chAnGed SidEs Meanwhile Romania, Finland and Bulgaria are not judged
@@melavzla Mussolini was a fascist dictator that wanted to be the big shot, he wanted to impress Hitler because he respected him, until Hitler started to show his ideas on nazism and colonism of europe. At that point, he got scared of him and understood that there was no middle ground with him, Italy had to be germany's ally or it would automatically became his enemy. He did not want that and also, as a dictator, he liked to idea to gain new power and to be recognized abroad like someone not to mess with, so he went all in even if generals told again and again that Italy was not ready for a new war, all it had was spent and used in the ww1 and that it would be a suicide for the young nation but he didn't care. So he signed italy's destiny at the time.
@@dandarley6303 Rome, but Italy is not just Rome, southern Italy liberated itself. I.e. Naples' people insurrected with the help of southern military in September 1943 and in 4days kicked out fascists and nazis. That made the city later get a gold medal of military valor and when the allies got to Naples in October the city was already nazis free. Naples was the first European city to rebel against nazis and to do it with success. People did it because tired of the war that never had meaning for the people, tired of the hunger and pain they got in exchange and most of all of the terrible actions the germans did in italian towns (even when the two countries were deeply allied). After all that they discovered that Germany plans at the time was to destroy Naples and deport its people in order to not let the city became an allied strategic foothold so they took everything they had (very limited resources but many people) and kicked the invaders out in few days. Their actions were took as model by many other big cities and little towns. Search for "the 4 days of Naples" they even made a movie about that.
@@areswalker5647 "southern Italy liberated itself". No, it didn't. It was the Allied that liberated most of Southern Italy, with Naples being almost the only exeption.
Allies: Destroyes half of italian infrastructures in Sicily and kill civilians with bombing the cities (specifically "civilian targets") Italian army: Tired from a campaign ruled by incompetent leaders, who sent soldiers against tanks, with only bolt action and granades. With a quarter of the forces died outside of Stalingrad and Kirow for support the German invasion. Italian government: Kicks out Mussolini from his charge, arrest him, and electing Badoglio as the head of the state, who actually still fought the Allies for 4 months The king with his loyal politicians: Proposes an armistice to the Allies once arrived to Naples, and declaring Italy no more in conflict. Since now it should be a neutral country. Germany: Invades Italy from the north with Wehrmarcht divisions, set free Mussolini from his prison and creates a new puppet government "Italian social republic" for fight the Allies The Allies: Creates their own Italian puppet state with Badoglio in charge Italian civilians: Start a multiple revolution through all the Italian territories for the 20 years of fascist dictatorship that suppressed any political resistance since 1925 Internet: Italy switch sides
What I find funny is that what Italy did also happened in any other conquered/occupied/liberated country in Europe. Finland switched sides 3 times during the war, are we gonna say the Finns "betrayed" somebody?
@Europe is green Italy commitment in war is usually rather low. It didn't became an industrial country till post-1945 and suffer a rather low national pride (Italy was unified less than 2 century ago and local regionalism is still very powerful in the country: people from Lombardia will never sacrifice their life quality to help, for example, Sicily).
@Europe is green They also fought mostly in mountains and with less soldiers. The Italian army was the only one suffering major defeats against the Austrians. Even the Serbs were more effective.
@Europe is green We suffered less casualties because we were deploying less soldiers on a far more static front than the Western or Eastern front. Most Italian battleplans for breaking Austrian lines on the Alps were mass charges against fortified positions, which led to huge casualties and little/no gain. After Cadorna was replaced with Diaz, younger kids from every part of Italy were recruited and sent (again) to almost certain death. Yes, Italy suffered less casualties than most other countries, but that's because its involvement was rather limited. WW2 it's totally another beast which can't be confronted with WW1 (from the Italian perspective)
@Europe is green Broken comparison, Austria-Hungary was involved in three fronts, Italy only in the Alps. The Alpine front casualties (source: Wikipedia): Italy: 651,000 dead 953,886 wounded 530,000 missing or captured Austria: 400,000 dead 1,210,000+ wounded 477,024 captured 176,000 missing
Mussolini's Italy was still allied with Germany in the North. While the Italian Republic allied with the Allies and fought against the Axis. They never really switched, but were divided ideologically.
No, the Kingdom of Italy (i.e. King Victor Emmanuel III, and his newly appointed government) surrendered to the Americans, and the British, joined their (the American, and British) side, and declared war on Germany and fascism (i.e. Benito Mussolini, and his supporters); internally, the war for the liberation of Italy from Germany & fascism (1943-1945) became a "civil war" between the supporters of King Victor Emmanuel III, in alliance with the Italian communists, against the Italian fascists/fascism!
You should inform yourself before making stupid statements like this. It was Fascist puppet Italy vs Kingdom of Italy which was still led by Victor Emmanuel III. Italy was proclaimed a republic in June 1946.
The highest ranking man in italy - the king - kicked out the fascists and declared that they were changing loyalty to the allies You can reword it all you want, it doesn't change the fact italy changed sides
it's also pretty interesting to see the map of voters after the war for how to govern Italy- the northern half was solid in favor of a parliamentary monarchy, the southern half was solid in favor of a republic.
@@bobmcbob49 it was the contrary, the south was for the monarchy as they didn't experience the hardships of German occupation, the north did and blamed the king for that.
Jack Binks their leader was (Benito Mussolini) was hanged and shot 15 times as well as being thrown to the sea. After that, the allies decided to set up a new government called “the kingdom of Italy” while the still left axis-loyal soldiers set up the SRI. (social republic of Italy) so you could say that they split up and kept fighting.
@@Void_Wars You got things a bit confused. After the Allied landing in Sicily in 1943, the governmental authority which Mussolini had used to replace the Parliament of the Kingdom of Italy, the Great Chamber of Fascism, voted to imprison Mussolini and the King chose former Marshal of the Empire Pietro Badoglio to form a new government. Badoglio managed to sign a separate peace with the Allies on 8th September 1943, but Italian radio proclaimed the kingdom would keep fighting. When the Germans discovered from American radio interceptions that the kingdom of Italy had signed a peace, it was seen as an act of treason by German leadership and Italy was invaded by the German forces stationed there. Meanwhile, Mussolini was freed from his prison on Gran Sasso Mountain by two SS officers, and established a German puppet state in the north of Italy, called the RSI. Various army units chose either side (Mussolini or the King), and the allies of course sided with the king.
@@Void_Wars Mussolini tried to flee in 1944/45 dressed as a German soldier, but he was captured by partisans that fought in the occupied north against the fascist and Germans, recognised and shot.
Italians didnt switch sides the allies instaled a puppet government run buy all the mafias they smuggled in to the country or freed from prison claiming they where not criminals but just victims of facism.
@@andrei1637 yes... especially the guy that is commenting on me. Commies erased Bosnian religion... culture and history... but he like them... traitor.
@@cv4809 Communist he is refering to are Yugoslav partisans who fought for and achieved Yugoslav freedom. On the other side his grand uncle fought for NDH which was a Nazi puppet state with concentration camps for Jews, Serbs, Roma and so on. You must be a sick person to support NDH. Even most of anti communists respect Yugoslav partisans and see tham as only freedom fighting fraction in Yugoslavia.
I heard that the invasion of Greece was the mistake of the Italian "General" Sebastiano Visconti Prasca who, being unable to command a larger unit than the garrison he was given because of his rank, didn't wait for reinforcements because it would have passed the glory to another higher ranking general. So he attacked with troops wo were supposed to be a border garrison in case of a Greek preemptive strike and lost (that's why he attacked before the due date)
I'll tell you what my grandfather, a sicilian farmer born in 1915, lived. He was forced to join the military prior to the war, he had no idea how to shoot, he was sent to Greece and told to fight. Lol. He never gave a fuck and simply tried to survive, spending the next few years hiding in the balkans and ending up in Romania where he worked and hid in a farm. That was the average italian soldier in ww2, someone who never went to school and had no idea wtf the roman empire was, let alone re-create it, lol
@@marinellanardin4868 how? Lol he was literally sent to the front with no weapon. How could you call his grandfather a coward when you most likely would have charged like a fool and died.
@@Nico-iv3wr yep! Although, initially, Germany, and Japan had been better equipped to wage war than the United States, and the Soviet Union, ultimately, they (Germany, and Japan) lost World War 2, partly, due to their (own) limitations to wage a long term/years-long war, and partly, because they (Germany, and Japan) were fighting, virtually, alone; I mean, the Axis/German alliance consisted of Germany, Japan, Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland, and Romania, fighting a broad (and much more powerful) alliance/coalition consisting of the United States, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, the British Colonial Empire, and whatever was left of the French Colonial Empire in Africa.
@@renegaderebel2223 Italy wasn't Nazi, we got our Fascist regime (who inspired Nazism btw) and a LOT of people, high command, government never lost faith in Mussolini. Mussolini accept to rule the ISR in order to not let Germans turn occupied Italy in a occupied country and treat Italians as their other occupied states.
@@renegaderebel2223 I said most of us not everyone. Also remember that "strange place Italy, the day before everyone was fascist the day after no one was fascist" cit.
Roman kingdom: beta version 0.1 SPQR: final release 1.0 The Roman empire: Complete collection pack Mussolini's wannabe shitpire: Activision and Ea colloboration for the disappointing sequel
Let me get this straight: Italy declares defeat and surrenders, proclaiming their army has been knocked out of the war and thus can't keep the fighting going on --> Germany attacks and occupies the italian surrendering territory/starts to apply deportation in their concentration camps against the Italian soldiers and civilians who didn't wanna fight for them--> "iTaLy SwItChEd SiDeS" Like, wtf? Italy was the one who was attacked by its former ally. They didn't switch sides, they didn't "backstab" the Germans, and most importantly, *they didn't attack first*. Germany did. The Italians had to defend themselves against the Germans, who had established a puppet state in Northern/Central Italy. Italy had to fight a new war started by the Germans AND a civil war in the meantime. If anything, Germany betrayed Italy, not the other way around.
As an Italian: you talk about Italy in too unified a way. as if the whole of Italy had found itself invaded by Germany…absolutely not! the armistice with the allies was formed by the vice-king Badoglio, effectively betraying the fascist regime. Mussolini was outvoted by the chamber of fascism and arrested by the King. At that point, Germany invaded Italy… not militarily. more than anything we let ourselves be invaded. at that point the German soldiers free Mussolini, who is forced by Hitler to found the Italian Social Republic, a German puppet. at this point, therefore, it is not ITALY that is fighting Germany, but it is FASCISM (under German control) in Northern Italy, that is fighting the MONARCHY (allied with the allies) in Southern Italy
Badoglio invited the Germans into Italy Germans did not invade. Italy did not change side's it was unconditional surrender The south ruled by Amgot which issued fake money Meanwhile the RSI in the north used real Italian money had an army fought the partisans and allies had de facto international recognition 8:57
Because it was over. Italy was wise to switch sides. The Axis were doomed from the very beginning of 1942. It was only a question of when not if the Allies would win due to logistics, manpower and the amount of territory. The prolonged fighting of Germany and Japan only insured more retaliation and ruin upon their countries. Italy gets a lot of flak for quitting but they were the only major Axis power to prevent a lot of destruction on their own country and survived relatively intact compared to Germany and Japan.
Interesting points and I do agree with them on a high level. I would however be keen to get your (you seem to be one of the more balanced, non 'Italians are traitors' commentators on here) and Knowledgia's thoughts on the actions of the RSI in the military sense post 1943. Can it really be said that Italy changed sides when Italian troops are still fighting on the Axis side into 1945? Operation such as Winter Storm or in the Gothic Line are examples of RSI/Italian troops clashing with the allies. I suppose what Im trying to say is that "switching sides" doesn't appear to be the correct term when you have Italian units still fighting for the Axis - as well as on the Allied and partisan sides? Is civil war not a more accurate term?
Japan? Probably. Germany? No one was letting them surrender. Hell, Germany offerd neutral peace treaties multiple times to britan after they beat France but Churchill said no.
Just to add another piece of information, one of the strongest reasons why a large part of the Italian army will not remain loyal to the Germans is due to the attitude of the Germans towards the Italians throughout the war, which was certainly not what you would expect from a ally.
That is actually not true. The Germans went and rescued Mussolini out of his prison. The relationship between Italy and Germany was very strong! Unlike the allied forces relationship held together on strings.
@@TheRomanTribune Nazis did a lot of things that went behind the alliance they made with italy. For example, they simply went to war while Mussolini wasn't prepared. He himself tried to stop hitler at the very start of ww2, like Chamberlain and Roosevelt. Nazis also went to rescue Mussolini when whole Italy just wanted to kill him. But in the end, it is true that the allies didn't treat well Italy, that's why they did the alliance with German empire and Austrian Empire back before ww1. Even in that occasion, GE and AE went to war without first saying Italy anything, just saying.
My grandfather fought under Mussolini in the greco-Italo war and also fought in the Egyptian campaign. He actually lost a finger during the Greco-Italo battle.
In the first Gulf war Bush told the Kurds to rebel against Saddam, so that they would open a second front. However after the allies won the war he had no more need for the Kurds and abandoned. They were crushed by Saddam.
Because turkey is a much more powerful ally in the region and they don't want a independent Kurd land on their border. Nations very rarely are going to pick the relative weak nobody to ally with when that pushed an established nation towards your enemy
People: making fun of Italy switching sides saying it’s a coward move Also people: forgetting that we were never prepared to go to war and that we were tired of Mussolini to the point partisans killed him and had to hang him by his foots to not getting his corpse sfigurated
@Sursumkorda so weak they had German equipment still unsure why Germany sold them that btw EDIT: did some research, apparently it was because of Italy's stance on protecting Austria (this was before the Anchluss: the Austrian Chancellor, Dolfus, was pretty much Mussolini's protege')
People like to joke about Italians switching sides but at that point no one there wanted to fight the germans' war against the world. In fact most axis countries attempted to peace out with the Allies - like my country Hungary that was blocked by the germans in order to keep fighting the unstoppable Red Army that was marching right towards the middle of the Reich through these buffer states. Romanians however just like Italians succeeded in this regard so they should be considered the 'lucky ones'. Also if they had a chance the Germans would have surrendered long before 1945 however the people had no proper representation in the Reichstag and the nazi party was way too powerful (and Hitler, Goebbels and the other bastards didnt care if the german civilians had to endure the War) hence the Germans had to bear fighting to the end. In Italy Mussolini's power weakened and marshal Badoglio took his chance to save his nation. The Japanese are an other interesting story in my opinion of an emperor who would never die for his people but expects them to fight even after an atomic bomb is dropped on a city of his. He surrendered after the second bomb to save himself, not the people, but this one is debateable.
@Flavio Triunfo-Loviselli Non ti arrabbiare, ci sono molti personi stupidi:) Personalmente amo Italia e studio la tua lingua ma la trovo abbastanza difficile.
Italy 'switched' sides because it had all but lost the war and had little choice. Romania and Bulgaria found themselves in exactly the same situation and did the same and France essentially switched sides *twice*, although as she had been largely disarmed by the Germans, was unable to take an active role so remained nominally neutral. This is before one considers the fact that Italy essentially split in two, and only one of those 'halves' switched sides. Only one nation in Europe can be said to have 'freely' chosen to switch sides, and that is Finland. Originally on the Axis side against the Soviets, Finland made a separate peace with Russia and turned on their former allies.
It wasn't quite so simple. When the Allies entered Sicily many Sicilians wanted the Allies to win. There was actually a movement to have Sicily become a State in the US.Sounds silly now but members of my family supported that. When Italy declared war on America the Italians said, "Abbiamo dechiarato guerra contra paradiso". We have just declared war against paradise. Remember many millions of Italians and their children lived in America and more than a million Italian Americans, including my uncles swerved in the American military.
@@gaddob3363 Well as I said, it was a little more complicated than that. Despite Mussolini, the declaration of war against America was very unpopular in Italy for the reasons I stated They only lost Sicily. They could have fought on with Germany for another two years. Instead they deposed and imprisoned M. The partisan warfare was a revolt against the Germans and was quite bitter and bloody. More like what happened in Yugoslavia than in Bulgaria or Romania even though Italy entered the war as member of the axis. Perhaps you disagree.
@@trajan75 I think you underestimate Italy's military position at that stage. While only Sicily had been lost, it was still part of the Italian homeland and had at this stage lost all it's offshore territory. Military, Italy was in an impossible position. It's failures in Greece, Russia and elsewhere had shown the Italian war machine as badly equipped and commanded by incompetent generals who largely owed their positions to their birth. In short, the writing was on the wall and Victor Emmanuel lacked the stomach, as evidenced by his quick abandonment of Rome (something that played a large part in the abolition of the monarchy) added to this. War with America was not popular. But neither was war with the UK, that Italians felt far more affinity for than Germany. However, it ultimately had Italy been doing better military, this would not have been an issue. Remember, the decision to surrender was not a populist one; it was made principally by Victor Emmanuel and the royalist factions in the government and it was based on self preservation, not any love of America.
>< ha ha. It's true, Mare Nostrum. Latin for: Our sea. I'm of Italian background, you confirmed what has been asserted in military non-fiction texts..Roman glory, yeah just when America was armed to the teeth!
LET'S BE OBJECTIVE!! The main military powers that fought for years in WW2 were six :On one side Germany ,Italy and Japan .On the other side USA ,Russia,UK .That's it .Italy fought on two continents and four seas with 3.400.000 men (considering army ,navy ,aviation ,auxiliaries).Let's see some points: 1)First of all this video doesn't explain that before the ww2 Italy had two war campaignes in Ethiopia(1935-1936) and Spain civil war(1936-1939) and used a lot of resources to fight and finish those campaignes, for this reason wasn't ready in 1940. 2) REGIA MARINA:The Italian fleet was the fourth in the world in 1940, it had the same tonnage of navy like France .The Littorio Class was the backbone of the navy with the 3 huge battleships: Littorio ,Vittorio Veneto and Roma(in 1940 they were considered the most powerful battleships in the world like artillery.). The Regia Marina had very great successes with submarines ,they fought in fourth different seas:Mediterranean Sea, in the Red Sea,in the Persian Gulf and in the Atlantic Ocean. ,with 1750 missions and the sinking of 132 merchant ships and 18 military ships,Italy lost 128 submarines of the totaly 172.The X Mas ,was a special unit of assault and raid of the Regia Marina ,with great success of sinking to the Royal Navy. 3)REGIA AERONAUTICA:The Italian Air Force had in 1940: 1300 medium bomber ,1160 fighter aircaftt, 500 recoinassence aircraft .It had very good warfighters like Macchi 202 and Macchi 205,Fiat G 55 and the Reggiane RE 2005 (maybe the most beautiful airplane of the WW2) .Italy built from (1940 to 1943) 11508 airplanes(always less in comparison with the othern nations). Only the fourth squadron destroyed 585 airplanes plus 215 probably .The SM 79 was an amazing medium bomber ,very effcient as torpedo bomber ,infact sinked a lot of military ships (Fearless ,Bedouin ,Nestor ,Foresight,Pozarica ecc).The sum of the official ranking of the(only) flying aces is of 1225 shooting down aircrafts.(The highest is Franco Lucchini with 26). 4)REGIO ESERCITO AND SPECIAL FORCES The Italian Army fought in Russia,Yugoslavia,Greece,North Africa ,and South -East Africa with 1.800000 soldiers in 75 divisions(not all well-equipped). Very good were the machine guns Breda 30 and 36, the mortar 81mm, Beretta 38 submachine .Italy built very good armoured cars like the autoblinda 40 and 41 and the SPA Viberti AS 42 ,and only the the tank 105/25 m43.The Special forces like Folgore ,Bersaglieri ,Alpini ,The X Mas ecc were very combative .The Folgore fought in North Africa for 3 years stopping the best English troops. 5)VICTORIES AND HEROIC BATTLE: - El Alamein in the 1942 -The last charge of Izbusenskij of the cavalry Savoy in Croazia in the 1942 - The sinking of the Queen Elizabeth and Valiant by the X Mas in the 1941 -Pantelleria air-naval battle with the sinking of the Burdwan ,Chan and Kentucky and the damage of many others in the 1942 -The battle of August 1942 with the sinking of Manchester ,Cairo and the damage of Nigeria ,Kenya ,Brisbane ecc -The sinking of York and Pericles in the Sudan Bay by the X Mas 1941 - Italian conquest of British Somalia - 1940 -Italian conquest of Cassala,Gallabat and Kurmuk (British-Egypt Sudan)1940; So there are a lot of victories of Italy in ww2(i have wrote only some) ,but Italy lost the war and the winners write the history for this reason there are a lot of fake videos like this .For sure Italy wasn't so bad, but don't worry you can read books(as "Courage Alone" of Chris Dunning) and check on internet .And don't forget ITALY was the first nation to use airplanes in combat in Libia in 1911 and to built the first jet plane Campini Caproni without propeller. Also did a lot of world air records in the 30s .Bye
They didn't technically switch sides. The withdrew from the war and the American and British forces advanced into Italy until Germany sent reinforcements through then neutral Italy to the front line of where the Allied forces were. So Italy withdrew from the war and then was invaded by Germany to protect Germany's southern flank.
@@alexmoretti8178 no, eravamo letteralmente suddivisi in 2 fazioni quindi se proprio dobbiamo dire che l'Italia ha chiambiato squadra dobbiamo precisare che è stato il sud a farlo e non tutto il paese
It's also good too remember the brazilian soldiers that were so important on freeing the italians from the fascism, they fought in many battles specially Montese and Monte Castello.
Well yes. But Romania joined axis only because of the Soviet Union. Romania was obliged to cede the province of Bessarabia to USSR, and Romanians where not only scared by Russians, but also they wanted that land back. They agreed to enter the war side by side with Germany, which at the time was the most powerful nation in the war. Also, Romania was also forced by Hungary to cede a part of Transilvania to her. Romania wanted to retake some land and some respect. If I am correct, Romania wasn't even a fascist state. When things started looking bad for Germany and her allies, Romania did what was best. What happened in Italy is totally different
Romania didnt switch sides in ww1 ,where din you get that ? Stop with no informated stuff. And what the other person say ,yes , is true ,Romania enter the war because of USSR ,same situation and Finland done
@@ilbranca9208 but you were wrong when you said that Romania was crush by Austro Hungary and Bulgaria, that is false . Germany defeated at first Romania But it only occupied the southern part of the country, the capital was move from Bucharest to Iași , which Iași is the historycal capital which Romania was born in 1859 when Alexandru Ioan Cuza Uniter Wallachia with Moldova . And Romania have continue to fight i her eastern part ,so only 50 % of Romania was occupied, and by crash ,the Austro Hungarians and Germans were crush by romanians at battle of Mărășești in 1917 . So better example ,what did happen to Romania in 1916 ,is exactly what did happen to USSR in 1941 . Same vad start But at the end both conquer the enemy capital ,Russian take Berlin in 1945 ,and Romanians take the capital of Hunagry Budapest in 1919
It's pretty simple: when Sicily and the africans holdings were gone because of the Allies, Italy signed a white peace, arrested Mussolini (who started the war in the first place) and got out of the war. Nazis responded with the occupation of the peninsula (which at this point was neutral territory), the slaughter of civilians and also with freeing Mussolini and establishing the puppet state "the Republic of Salò" (which is a pretty funny Republic considering it was a dictatorship led by puppet Mussolini). After that the resistance arouse, and Italy was forced to declare war on Germany and their Italian brethrens still loyal to Mussolini.
Italy HAD to switch side to fight german invasion. Lets go through the main facts happening before the armistice. Mussolini, that had always been along with Hitler and started the war, was dismissed in July 1943, as the war was going bad. The newly appointed government realized that war was lost (Sicily had been just occupied by the Allies), and decide to surrend by negotiating an armistice. Nothing weird so far: even Russia in WW1 signed for an armistice through the new communist government, following the revolution. The day after the armistice, on September 9th, german army started the military invasion of Italy. To oppose the military occupation, after few weeks, the new government declared war to Germany on the same side of the Allies. Had the Germany NOT invaded, Italy would have never switched side: the goal of the new government was simply to get out of the war. It is widely believed that Italy betrayed Germany: it was actually Germany that invaded Italy when the latter decided to get out of the war. That said, from a pure strategic point view, geography didn’t play well for Italy as at the time of the armistice it was positioned between the Allies, that had already a footstep in Sicily and were willing to move north, and Germany, that invaded Italy in order to stop the Allies.
@Legio XXI Rapax i see, i see, because i see alot people saying the same thing but i didn't know mussolini was hanged and i also didn't that italy and germany were still in partnership, interesting
Italy didn't swich sides in WW2. It was defeated and consequently surrendered. The participation of the southern part's army at US's side was due to german invasion.
@@giacomooliva6021 I partigiani "fondamentali nell'arresto di mussolini"? lol...eggià, badoglio, ex gerarca fascista è stato CHIARAMENTE influenzato dai aprtigiani ANTIFASCISTI. Dove ve le raccontano ste cagate? il 90% del governo post 1943 e post armistizio, i collaboratori che si sono schierati con gli alleati, erano EX FASCISTI che hanno cambiato cavallo non appena hanno visto il nuovo trend.
When you switch side and the axis is mad at you then Romania Bulgaria and Finland does the same and everyone still remembers you Sad spaghetti noises But then you realize that after the world you keep most of your territory and one of your colony and you also didn’t end up split in two or atom bombed and then whit America’s money you have an economic boom and have a rapid industrialization 10 years after the war *Laugh in Spaghetti*
Alessandro Vitagliano Bulgaria didn't do the same.Bulgaria was forced to join the axis , and left it at the first possible occasion.Italy joined the axis voluntarily.
Vittorio Emanuele wasn’t really a civil was as much as it was not switching sides. The Italians were invaded and had no government cause of the chaos, the allies set up a new government and the loyal fascist Italians set up a fascist italian state.
technically italy never switched sides. Italy surrendered after the allies invaded, which forced germany to invade Italy and set up a puppet state, so it was really just the allies fighting germany on italian land
@@christiancaspillo8584 Yes, but very few italian soldiers fought on both sides (Allies vs Germany) after 8th September 1943. In the south there was a puppet state under Allies occupation, in the north it was the same but under Germany occupation. Most people simply remained at home, but most of the Army was outside Italian borders anyway (in the Balkans) and after 8th September 1943 they were simply captured by the Germans without a fight (no clear orders arrived from Rome about what to do). And could only return home in 1945 at war end.
Japan fought much before Sept1939 in China, but they declared it as an Asian War. Even so, it was Japan who kicked the USA into WW2 by the Battle of Hawaii
ww1 italy betrayed us and stole our land befor ww2 italy sayed it will protect us against hitler and betrayed us and took our land ww2 italy betrayed us and stole our land... today italy still has south tyrol and some other stuff... i dont care why someone did what they did cause it doesnt chanche what they have done and italy fucking betrayed us 🧐
@@user-et6cr6qd8v in ww1 Austria attacked Serbia without consulting Italy (only with Germany) and we ENTERED THE WAR WITH THE ENTENTE, not with the Central Powers, if you switch sides, you do that DURING a war
It was a civil war, Mussolini was arrested and the government signed an armistice with the allies and declared war on Germany, so Germany invaded Italy and created the Italian social Republic, with Mussolini, but the government with Pietro Badoglio was still there, so it was a civil war, but this is all explained in the video which clearly you didn't watch
@@user-et6cr6qd8v Italy and Austria where in a Defensive Pact not an Alliance.. You where the Aggressor, Italy had no duty at all to follow you in to that hellhole Austria.
From Czech perspective I would say Italy was state not full of nazi followers. Musolini had no such a ability as a Hitler to control entire nation by his speechs, and that in my opinien put the effect on morale of Soldiers and many other factors, But I do not believe Italy was switch the sides only because they were losing only, they were still big anti nazi groups since the begining.
There were 2 Italy: RSI Italy remained with the axis, the king and the kingdom chose the allies. However we lost the war, we hanged the Duce and exiled the king up to the 3rd generation. Then we became a democracy and a liberal republic: what else do you want from us?
italy was not a democracy like france or united states. people of italy never decided democratically to go to war side by side with nazi germany. it was a regime that decided for the people and when the regime collapsed most of italian people saw the allied as potential liberators after 20 years of tiranny.
@Sursumkorda FRom April 9-23, 1943 the Italians won the final battles against the Greeks and drove them out of Albania. The largest defeat for the Greeks occurred at the3-day battle Of Ponte Perati April 19-21, 1941. The Greeks suffered 50,000 casualties and most of their tanks. You will find this on Highway of Death , the second Battle of Ponte Perati.
Someone will probably say your grandpa was a fascist bastard, but all Italian soldiers except for the really fanatical ones deserve respect for their bravery. Ignore all the SJWs. Respect to your grandpa from an half-Italian.
My noni lived in Italy during WW2 and most of the populous were not for Mussolini. Just look at what they did to him when they took him to Milano after they had captured him.
Há pior. Veja os 50.000 soldados que Portugal enviou para a Frente Ocidental na Primeira Guerra. Boa sorte encontrar sequer uma bandeira com a localizaçao do Corpo Expedicionário Português nos mapas gringos (só na ofensiva de La Lys, sete divisões alemãs atacaram o CEP e sofremos 7.500 baixas só NO PRIMEIRO DIA). Mas para os gringos, quem fala Português nunca existiu nas guerras mundiais... só deu eles e mais ninguém.
@@ethank.6602 You mean me?, If yes, Okay i sorry about my english because i not from Europe and United State i from Asia. (I don't want to tell what my country, Sorry)
@Vid Caf The allies had no business going to war with us.. Look at us all now.. fucking destroyed by globalist liberal democracy and neo bolshevikism.... Do you really still feel like a winner?... We tried to stop that shit from the beginning We should be seen as the greatest heros in western history instead its this bullshit.. Shame. There will be another war again soon.. I only hope we all work together this time.
Greece victory over Italy was the first allied victory of WWII and the turning point of the war: Hitler blamed Mussolini's "Greek fiasco" for his failed campaign in Russia. "But for the difficulties created for us by the Italians and their idiotic campaign in Greece", he commented in mid-February 1945, "I should have attacked Russia a few weeks earlier," he later said. Hitler noted that, the "pointless campaign in Greece", Germany was not notified in advance of the impending attack, which "compelled us, contrary to all our plans, to intervene in the Balkans, and that in its turn led to a catastrophic delay in the launching of our attack on Russia. We were compelled to expend some of our best divisions there. And as a net result we were then forced to occupy vast territories in which, but for this stupid show, the presence of our troops would have been quite unnecessary". "We have no luck with the Latin races", he complained afterwards.
Hitler blamed everyone except himself in 1945. What he said about the Battle of Greece and the intervention in the Balkans was just the rant of an old madman
"Having the lack of proper warplanes in terms of number and technology" the problem was the number, 1943 italian fighters were deemed the best fighter of the axis even by allied test pilots, the problem is they wern't enough. Also you should have put a bit more enphasis on the fact Italy was practically split in two: the Cobelligerant Italy of Badoglio with the Allies and Mussolini'Italian Social Republic with the Axis.
The great resistance to the idea of Italy switching sides seems rather pessimistic about the effectiveness of military leadership. Armies can do good things in limited engagements.
saying that Italy switched side in ww2 is like saying that the american revolutionaries switched side against Britain with France. It's a bit deeper and more complicated than that.
@@hazzmati thats not true, the problem was with basic equipment and the high ranking officers, in africa at some points 2/3 of rommel forces were italians, and whe all know how whell he did in the african front, the big problem was with officers, the equipment were pretty bad for the african campaing but on the eastern front they managed to beat the russians until 1943, they werent by far the best of troops, but with a good general even coal turns to gold.
@@hazzmatijust If you have a bad ally you still have an ally. Also if Italy would have not joined the axis they would have joined UK declaring war on Germany, Italy would have holded fairly well against german blitzkrieg (it's realistic to say that they would have resisted capitulation) because of the same reasons that slowed the Allied advance from the South, the terrain; then, with reinforcement from UK, the front could have been stabilized somewhere in the peninsula, that situation would have meant that Germany had an early open front in the south and they totally would have hated that. So yes, It was definetly a benefit for Germany to have Italy in their faction even with those poor performance.
Patriot Joelephic Wrong. After the allied invasion of Sicily, Mussolini was deposed and arrested, and the new government signed an armistice. Germany later invaded northern and central Italy, setting up the Italian Social Republic, still led by Mussolini after he was rescued. Some Italian troops in the south were organized into the Italian Co-belligerent Army, which fought alongside the Allies and the Italian resistance in order to liberate the country, while others, loyal to Mussolini, continued to fight alongside the Germans. It was a civil war
People always make much noise about Italy "switching sides" but hardly remember that France did exactly the same thing: switching sides and cooperating with Nazis. It was so evident that when the war was over the US wanted to consider France as a deafeted enemy rather than a freed ally.
@@alexandrub8786 France has the best military record of Europe and won countless wars. It is certainely not a Romanian, whom country is totally irrelevant in Europe, that is going to mock our history
The large map where Italy and the conquered lands is shown in green has one error: Corsica is marked as green an Sardinia not, whereas it should be the other way around.
it was Germany that betrayed Italy: They asked us nothing before threatening both Czechoslovakia and Poland; the German troops that blocked the allies in the south had already been ready behind the alps since May 1943 and did nothing to prevent the allied landing.
Italy repeatedly told Germany they were not ready for war, at least for 5 years. They clearly stated they needed to re-equip and rebuild the armed forces. Germany gave reassurances, then invaded Poland.
Quick answer: It flat out didn't, Germany invaded it's former ally whom had surrendered to secure it's southern flank, and Italy scrambled to sign treaties allowing the allies to move forces to support the Italian monarchists in the south against the rapidly advancing Germans that were tasked with disarming and arresting Italian divisions and brigades they came across. (Italy did not accept French forces in the campaign however.)
9:40 Mussolini was captured by italian partisans, then the British demanded for his execution, although this ending was an option of choose for italian partisans movement, too. All the important papers (even Churchill's letters to him and the italian King) that Mussolini was carrying along with him, disappeared in those days.
My grandfathers fought in italy and albania against italians and nazis....one fact you may not know is that italians were deploying albanian troops (peasants and shepards) against greeks but they would either run away or betray them in the middle of the battle....it is very disturbing to see greece as part of italy,they didnt deserve any cm of our land because we totally rect they and if it wasnt for the nazis we would remove all italian influence from the balkans
Italy did not switched side. Italy simply surrendered, but germany occupied italian territory instead of taking away its troops. So it is natural that Italy decided to push back germany out of its own territory. That's all.
@@gs7828 , the war was already lost, even by germany. So, the occupation of italian territory was useless, as far as the useless desperate resistance of germany in the last phase of ww2. Germans, like japaneses, were mindlessly overconfident, and in facts they payed a great price for their stupid pride...
The Italian military effort collapsed, they didn't switch sides. Thank God they didn't continue fighting, cause then one of humanities most art rich countries would have been bombarded for a stupid (and wrong) cause.
So for anyone asking: in WWI Italy was part of the Triple Alliance. It was a strictly defensive allaince . If one of the three nations attacked first and it wasn't for defensive matters the other 2 members could decide to leave the alliance or support the attacking nation. In this case Italy to join the war helping the Central Powers, asked lands from Austria (Istria, Trentino Alto Adige and Dalmazia). Austria refused thus Italy joined the Entente. In WWII the Italian government collapsed and it lead to the formation of the Repubblica di Salò ( Mussolini's new state ) and the Kingdom of Italy, it wasn't a kingdom tho it wasn't part of the Repubblica di Salò, it was lead by the old king, its army was made up by the anti-fascist and the old army of the kingdom. This two new states were supported by the Allies ( Kingdom ) and the Germans ( Repubblica di Salò). It eventually led to the German defeat.
7:30 many Army officers were chosen for their loyalty to the Monarchy, not for their capacities (e.g. Gen. Badoglio). Instead, Gen. Messe was proven on the field one of the best High rank officers of both 1° and 2° WW.
@Sursumkorda What you posted proves nothing. Italy entered WW1 as a member of the Entente not as a member of the Triple Alliance, that means that there was no switching sides
My granpa was in Sicily while the invasion. He told us that there was nothing to eat, and they had to eat rats and things of the sort. Also, they didn't put a resistence and were taken by the Americans from Sicily to Africa
Good video but it's not accurate in the political and social aspects. There wasn't Italy and a puppet state, there were 2 different Italian states, Italy splits in 2 parts. During the Italy campaign both axis and allies deploys in the frontline the Italian infantry. It was a devastating civil war, where fascist regiments fought the regiments of the new government, and where civilians soffers orrible treatments by the invasors of both sides (the Germans killed 10 civilians, also kids and women, for every German soldier killed, even when they didn't die for partisans or fights)
Ikr, it pretty jarring when people say that Italy didn't switched sides. Like, they totally did. Every European country knows that. Heck even the countries up north knows it.
@@ls200076 The argument here is Italy was split in two thanks to the fascists so they never switched sides, just like Germany was also split in two by the fascists so they never actually went to war.
@@ls200076 you two are just people too proud to see the truth,most of the italians never wanted to go to war but the coward Mussolini boasting about things that didn't have forced thousands of farmers that never believed in him to go die for him under shitty fascists leader
@@ls200076 Technically the fascists in the North were still Italians, and they still were with the Nazis. Then which Italians switched sides? Jesus Christ pull your head out of your butt and start not oversimplifying history, idiot
Italy did not ‘switch sides’. This ignorant hypothesis gets repeated over and over. The Grand Council ejected Mussolini from power and had him arrested. Badoglio and the King agreed an armistice with the allies. Mussolini was sprung from imprisonment by German commandos and instated in Salo - a fascist republic. Italy then endured two years of civil war, Italians fought Italians and Italians fought the allies and the German ‘occupation’ . Italian soldiers fought on the allied side and alongside the German army.
WW1 Germony: so let’s invade Europe Italy: I’m on yuor side *war starts* Germony: hey when u gonna join? Italy: I will *switch side* Germoney: *TRIGGERED* WW2 Germoney: war time Italy join me Italy: join war *later* Mussolini dopes Italy: *SwiTcH SiDe* Germoney: *TRIGGERED* _reichster3 has left the game_
Italy never changed side in WW2, Italy was divided into two sides and fascists stay in Axis side and anti fascists joined Allied, that's all.
Very good point. People always forget about the RSI - it just suits the meme's better I suppose
Roman Fedayi ikr
At least someone who studied history... 😀😎😘
Actually some generals and most importantly, THE KING switched sides
ᅚᅚ yea but the entire country didn’t
Italy: His capitol was taken, people no longer support war, starts a civil war, north Italy was under facist control and fights against the restored monarchy
Everyone: LoL iTaLy chAnGed SidEs
Meanwhile Romania, Finland and Bulgaria are not judged
I don't see it as judging, that alliance with Germany was actualy unnatural for Italy...
@@melavzla Mussolini was a fascist dictator that wanted to be the big shot, he wanted to impress Hitler because he respected him, until Hitler started to show his ideas on nazism and colonism of europe. At that point, he got scared of him and understood that there was no middle ground with him, Italy had to be germany's ally or it would automatically became his enemy. He did not want that and also, as a dictator, he liked to idea to gain new power and to be recognized abroad like someone not to mess with, so he went all in even if generals told again and again that Italy was not ready for a new war, all it had was spent and used in the ww1 and that it would be a suicide for the young nation but he didn't care.
So he signed italy's destiny at the time.
Incorrect. Italy switched side in September 1943. Rome was liberated in June 1944.
@@dandarley6303 Rome, but Italy is not just Rome, southern Italy liberated itself. I.e. Naples' people insurrected with the help of southern military in September 1943 and in 4days kicked out fascists and nazis. That made the city later get a gold medal of military valor and when the allies got to Naples in October the city was already nazis free.
Naples was the first European city to rebel against nazis and to do it with success. People did it because tired of the war that never had meaning for the people, tired of the hunger and pain they got in exchange and most of all of the terrible actions the germans did in italian towns (even when the two countries were deeply allied). After all that they discovered that Germany plans at the time was to destroy Naples and deport its people in order to not let the city became an allied strategic foothold so they took everything they had (very limited resources but many people) and kicked the invaders out in few days. Their actions were took as model by many other big cities and little towns.
Search for "the 4 days of Naples" they even made a movie about that.
@@areswalker5647 "southern Italy liberated itself". No, it didn't. It was the Allied that liberated most of Southern Italy, with Naples being almost the only exeption.
Allies:
Destroyes half of italian infrastructures in Sicily and kill civilians with bombing the cities (specifically "civilian targets")
Italian army:
Tired from a campaign ruled by incompetent leaders, who sent soldiers against tanks, with only bolt action and granades. With a quarter of the forces died outside of Stalingrad and Kirow for support the German invasion.
Italian government:
Kicks out Mussolini from his charge, arrest him, and electing Badoglio as the head of the state, who actually still fought the Allies for 4 months
The king with his loyal politicians:
Proposes an armistice to the Allies once arrived to Naples, and declaring Italy no more in conflict. Since now it should be a neutral country.
Germany:
Invades Italy from the north with Wehrmarcht divisions, set free Mussolini from his prison and creates a new puppet government "Italian social republic" for fight the Allies
The Allies:
Creates their own Italian puppet state with Badoglio in charge
Italian civilians:
Start a multiple revolution through all the Italian territories for the 20 years of fascist dictatorship that suppressed any political resistance since 1925
Internet:
Italy switch sides
All you did was overcomplicate and explain how they switched sides so we win.
@@davidwright280 wow, and exactly how you were part of the "we"
@@nespolinho David Wright went through a time machine. The 'We' refers to Limeys. They have never lost a war....(read the irony between the lines)
Lmao they switched sides
@@ls200076 Nope they didn't
What I find funny is that what Italy did also happened in any other conquered/occupied/liberated country in Europe. Finland switched sides 3 times during the war, are we gonna say the Finns "betrayed" somebody?
@Europe is green Italy commitment in war is usually rather low. It didn't became an industrial country till post-1945 and suffer a rather low national pride (Italy was unified less than 2 century ago and local regionalism is still very powerful in the country: people from Lombardia will never sacrifice their life quality to help, for example, Sicily).
@Europe is green They also fought mostly in mountains and with less soldiers. The Italian army was the only one suffering major defeats against the Austrians. Even the Serbs were more effective.
@Europe is green We suffered less casualties because we were deploying less soldiers on a far more static front than the Western or Eastern front. Most Italian battleplans for breaking Austrian lines on the Alps were mass charges against fortified positions, which led to huge casualties and little/no gain. After Cadorna was replaced with Diaz, younger kids from every part of Italy were recruited and sent (again) to almost certain death.
Yes, Italy suffered less casualties than most other countries, but that's because its involvement was rather limited. WW2 it's totally another beast which can't be confronted with WW1 (from the Italian perspective)
@Europe is green Broken comparison, Austria-Hungary was involved in three fronts, Italy only in the Alps.
The Alpine front casualties (source: Wikipedia):
Italy:
651,000 dead
953,886 wounded
530,000 missing or captured
Austria:
400,000 dead
1,210,000+ wounded
477,024 captured
176,000 missing
greegreen please don't say that WWI was as devastating as WWII
Mussolini's Italy was still allied with Germany in the North. While the Italian Republic allied with the Allies and fought against the Axis. They never really switched, but were divided ideologically.
Thanks, Italy never betrayed anyone in ww1 either but history is really thought badly
No, the Kingdom of Italy (i.e. King Victor Emmanuel III, and his newly appointed government) surrendered to the Americans, and the British, joined their (the American, and British) side, and declared war on Germany and fascism (i.e. Benito Mussolini, and his supporters); internally, the war for the liberation of Italy from Germany & fascism (1943-1945) became a "civil war" between the supporters of King Victor Emmanuel III, in alliance with the Italian communists, against the Italian fascists/fascism!
You should inform yourself before making stupid statements like this. It was Fascist puppet Italy vs Kingdom of Italy which was still led by Victor Emmanuel III. Italy was proclaimed a republic in June 1946.
Kind of like Republicans today. Down with Republican Fascists!
The highest ranking man in italy - the king - kicked out the fascists and declared that they were changing loyalty to the allies
You can reword it all you want, it doesn't change the fact italy changed sides
I don't think it hurt that the Allies landed in the areas where Fascism had the least support.
Mafia supported the invasion because Mussolini was hard on it. They pretty got a direct aid from organized crime.
it's also pretty interesting to see the map of voters after the war for how to govern Italy- the northern half was solid in favor of a parliamentary monarchy, the southern half was solid in favor of a republic.
@@bobmcbob49 it was the contrary, the south was for the monarchy as they didn't experience the hardships of German occupation, the north did and blamed the king for that.
@@bobmcbob49 it's actually the opposite, south monarchy and north Republic (can't tell if you are ironic)
Why do you think Fascism "had the least support" in Sicily?
Spoiler: it didn’t, the situation was far more complicated than that
Thank God, some1 that does know history
Jack Binks their leader was (Benito Mussolini) was hanged and shot 15 times as well as being thrown to the sea. After that, the allies decided to set up a new government called “the kingdom of Italy” while the still left axis-loyal soldiers set up the SRI. (social republic of Italy) so you could say that they split up and kept fighting.
@@Void_Wars You got things a bit confused. After the Allied landing in Sicily in 1943, the governmental authority which Mussolini had used to replace the Parliament of the Kingdom of Italy, the Great Chamber of Fascism, voted to imprison Mussolini and the King chose former Marshal of the Empire Pietro Badoglio to form a new government. Badoglio managed to sign a separate peace with the Allies on 8th September 1943, but Italian radio proclaimed the kingdom would keep fighting. When the Germans discovered from American radio interceptions that the kingdom of Italy had signed a peace, it was seen as an act of treason by German leadership and Italy was invaded by the German forces stationed there. Meanwhile, Mussolini was freed from his prison on Gran Sasso Mountain by two SS officers, and established a German puppet state in the north of Italy, called the RSI. Various army units chose either side (Mussolini or the King), and the allies of course sided with the king.
@@Void_Wars Mussolini tried to flee in 1944/45 dressed as a German soldier, but he was captured by partisans that fought in the occupied north against the fascist and Germans, recognised and shot.
Italians didnt switch sides the allies instaled a puppet government run buy all the mafias they smuggled in to the country or freed from prison claiming they where not criminals but just victims of facism.
My great grandfather fought off the Italians in Greece.
My grand uncle fought commies in the Balkans. Good old times
@@eazyemco A good commie is a dead one
@@andrei1637 yes... especially the guy that is commenting on me. Commies erased Bosnian religion... culture and history... but he like them... traitor.
@@1233-d3h communists don't have a country since they are internationalists, so killing commies is a patriotic obligation
@@cv4809 Communist he is refering to are Yugoslav partisans who fought for and achieved Yugoslav freedom.
On the other side his grand uncle fought for NDH which was a Nazi puppet state with concentration camps for Jews, Serbs, Roma and so on.
You must be a sick person to support NDH.
Even most of anti communists respect Yugoslav partisans and see tham as only freedom fighting fraction in Yugoslavia.
8:41 Corsica is italian,sardinia is French ?
Yeah I was gonna say that
They had it right in the beginning at 0:10
You see, both were occupied by the Axis at the time and Sardinia had been captured by the Allies at the time
@@flamixflame2685 At 0:10 that is a mistake
9:49 as well
I heard that the invasion of Greece was the mistake of the Italian "General" Sebastiano Visconti Prasca who, being unable to command a larger unit than the garrison he was given because of his rank, didn't wait for reinforcements because it would have passed the glory to another higher ranking general. So he attacked with troops wo were supposed to be a border garrison in case of a Greek preemptive strike and lost (that's why he attacked before the due date)
The invasion of Greece was the mistake of the foolish who ordered the invasion: Mr Mussolini.
I'll tell you what my grandfather, a sicilian farmer born in 1915, lived. He was forced to join the military prior to the war, he had no idea how to shoot, he was sent to Greece and told to fight. Lol. He never gave a fuck and simply tried to survive, spending the next few years hiding in the balkans and ending up in Romania where he worked and hid in a farm. That was the average italian soldier in ww2, someone who never went to school and had no idea wtf the roman empire was, let alone re-create it, lol
@@Nico-iv3wr your grandfather was a coward 😅
@@marinellanardin4868 how? Lol he was literally sent to the front with no weapon. How could you call his grandfather a coward when you most likely would have charged like a fool and died.
@@Nico-iv3wr yep! Although, initially, Germany, and Japan had been better equipped to wage war than the United States, and the Soviet Union, ultimately, they (Germany, and Japan) lost World War 2, partly, due to their (own) limitations to wage a long term/years-long war, and partly, because they (Germany, and Japan) were fighting, virtually, alone; I mean, the Axis/German alliance consisted of Germany, Japan, Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland, and Romania, fighting a broad (and much more powerful) alliance/coalition consisting of the United States, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, the British Colonial Empire, and whatever was left of the French Colonial Empire in Africa.
Italy was divided in two sides
Random meme kids: Italy switch sides brrrr
This is the proof that people learn history from meme's...
@@renegaderebel2223 the majority didn't.
@@renegaderebel2223 Italy wasn't Nazi, we got our Fascist regime (who inspired Nazism btw) and a LOT of people, high command, government never lost faith in Mussolini.
Mussolini accept to rule the ISR in order to not let Germans turn occupied Italy in a occupied country and treat Italians as their other occupied states.
@@matteoclementi then explain to me why the italian people hanged him and after that the mafia toke back control.
@@renegaderebel2223 I said most of us not everyone.
Also remember that "strange place Italy, the day before everyone was fascist the day after no one was fascist" cit.
Roman kingdom: beta version 0.1
SPQR: final release 1.0
The Roman empire: Complete collection pack
Mussolini's wannabe shitpire: Activision and Ea colloboration for the disappointing sequel
Ottoman Empire: ripoff version from china
WaspFX lol how did you know
@Jake Beaudry
British empire: OG release
USA: Spin off
Russia: weird nonsensical spinoff
Laughes in Hearts of Iron IV
Let me get this straight:
Italy declares defeat and surrenders, proclaiming their army has been knocked out of the war and thus can't keep the fighting going on --> Germany attacks and occupies the italian surrendering territory/starts to apply deportation in their concentration camps against the Italian soldiers and civilians who didn't wanna fight for them--> "iTaLy SwItChEd SiDeS"
Like, wtf? Italy was the one who was attacked by its former ally. They didn't switch sides, they didn't "backstab" the Germans, and most importantly, *they didn't attack first*. Germany did. The Italians had to defend themselves against the Germans, who had established a puppet state in Northern/Central Italy. Italy had to fight a new war started by the Germans AND a civil war in the meantime. If anything, Germany betrayed Italy, not the other way around.
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As an Italian: you talk about Italy in too unified a way. as if the whole of Italy had found itself invaded by Germany…absolutely not! the armistice with the allies was formed by the vice-king Badoglio, effectively betraying the fascist regime. Mussolini was outvoted by the chamber of fascism and arrested by the King. At that point, Germany invaded Italy… not militarily. more than anything we let ourselves be invaded. at that point the German soldiers free Mussolini, who is forced by Hitler to found the Italian Social Republic, a German puppet. at this point, therefore, it is not ITALY that is fighting Germany, but it is FASCISM (under German control) in Northern Italy, that is fighting the MONARCHY (allied with the allies) in Southern Italy
You can reword it all you want, none of this changes the fact italy changed sides
Badoglio invited the Germans into Italy Germans did not invade. Italy did not change side's it was unconditional surrender The south ruled by Amgot which issued fake money Meanwhile the RSI in the north used real Italian money had an army fought the partisans and allies had de facto international recognition 8:57
Everyone seems to ignore that Italy was under a dictatorship with Mussolini.
What do you mean by that?
Well most people did support him
@@mrbrainbob5320 were you there? Or do you consider not actively taking sides to survive a form of support, in real life?
@@gandar5097 I mean political decisions weren't as easily arguable as they normally are, however horrible or dumb yhey might've been.
@@@MartinaValla Ah ,yes i agree
Because it was over. Italy was wise to switch sides. The Axis were doomed from the very beginning of 1942. It was only a question of when not if the Allies would win due to logistics, manpower and the amount of territory. The prolonged fighting of Germany and Japan only insured more retaliation and ruin upon their countries. Italy gets a lot of flak for quitting but they were the only major Axis power to prevent a lot of destruction on their own country and survived relatively intact compared to Germany and Japan.
Interesting points and I do agree with them on a high level. I would however be keen to get your (you seem to be one of the more balanced, non 'Italians are traitors' commentators on here) and Knowledgia's thoughts on the actions of the RSI in the military sense post 1943. Can it really be said that Italy changed sides when Italian troops are still fighting on the Axis side into 1945? Operation such as Winter Storm or in the Gothic Line are examples of RSI/Italian troops clashing with the allies. I suppose what Im trying to say is that "switching sides" doesn't appear to be the correct term when you have Italian units still fighting for the Axis - as well as on the Allied and partisan sides? Is civil war not a more accurate term?
To surrender was the smart move. But they couldn't escape destruction. War was going there almost 2 years after surrender
Japan? Probably. Germany? No one was letting them surrender.
Hell, Germany offerd neutral peace treaties multiple times to britan after they beat France but Churchill said no.
I wouldn't call the beginning of 1942 as when the Axis defeat was inevitable.
@@braziliankaiser8304 it was at the end of 1942 when it took a miracle for an axis victory
When Bulgaria and Romania actually switch sides, but Italy who just divided its country gets all the memes
@Sursumkorda no it didn't Italy never switch sides in ww2
@Sursumkorda RUclips keep removing my comment
@Sursumkorda from your knowledge is usa have civil in 1860 to 1865 usa switch side from they homeland during civil war
@Sursumkorda guses what italy have a civil war and you guys say it switch sides and usa have civil war too not in ww2 but before
@Sursumkorda people who learn real history know it didn't switch sides and Romania swich side why no ones talk about that
Just to add another piece of information, one of the strongest reasons why a large part of the Italian army will not remain loyal to the Germans is due to the attitude of the Germans towards the Italians throughout the war, which was certainly not what you would expect from a ally.
pretty simple if italy didnt join forces with the nazis and instead stood with france/allies one could agrue that ww2 would not have been a world war
@@jaydenritchie1992 i don’t think so, the germans might of had a little bit more trouble but i think they’d manage to in the end i’d say.
@@ProKirillfan69yeah let’s be real
That is actually not true. The Germans went and rescued Mussolini out of his prison. The relationship between Italy and Germany was very strong!
Unlike the allied forces relationship held together on strings.
@@TheRomanTribune Nazis did a lot of things that went behind the alliance they made with italy. For example, they simply went to war while Mussolini wasn't prepared. He himself tried to stop hitler at the very start of ww2, like Chamberlain and Roosevelt. Nazis also went to rescue Mussolini when whole Italy just wanted to kill him. But in the end, it is true that the allies didn't treat well Italy, that's why they did the alliance with German empire and Austrian Empire back before ww1. Even in that occasion, GE and AE went to war without first saying Italy anything, just saying.
My grandfather fought under Mussolini in the greco-Italo war and also fought in the Egyptian campaign. He actually lost a finger during the Greco-Italo battle.
I'm more curious about the reason why america switched side from the kurds and then switched again
In the first Gulf war Bush told the Kurds to rebel against Saddam, so that they would open a second front. However after the allies won the war he had no more need for the Kurds and abandoned. They were crushed by Saddam.
Because turkey is a much more powerful ally in the region and they don't want a independent Kurd land on their border. Nations very rarely are going to pick the relative weak nobody to ally with when that pushed an established nation towards your enemy
Who cares about the kurds, there was a much bigger threat
People: making fun of Italy switching sides saying it’s a coward move
Also people: forgetting that we were never prepared to go to war and that we were tired of Mussolini to the point partisans killed him and had to hang him by his foots to not getting his corpse sfigurated
@アフタヌーンヌアクショット yeah, but the Italian army has so much meme potential, it could be transformed in reletable school memes
@アフタヌーンヌアクショット Italy conquered Ethiopia if you think Italy completely lost in Greeece read about Second Battle of Ponte Perati.
@Sursumkorda so weak they had German equipment
still unsure why Germany sold them that btw
EDIT: did some research, apparently it was because of Italy's stance on protecting Austria (this was before the Anchluss: the Austrian Chancellor, Dolfus, was pretty much Mussolini's protege')
People like to joke about Italians switching sides but at that point no one there wanted to fight the germans' war against the world. In fact most axis countries attempted to peace out with the Allies - like my country Hungary that was blocked by the germans in order to keep fighting the unstoppable Red Army that was marching right towards the middle of the Reich through these buffer states. Romanians however just like Italians succeeded in this regard so they should be considered the 'lucky ones'. Also if they had a chance the Germans would have surrendered long before 1945 however the people had no proper representation in the Reichstag and the nazi party was way too powerful (and Hitler, Goebbels and the other bastards didnt care if the german civilians had to endure the War) hence the Germans had to bear fighting to the end. In Italy Mussolini's power weakened and marshal Badoglio took his chance to save his nation.
The Japanese are an other interesting story in my opinion of an emperor who would never die for his people but expects them to fight even after an atomic bomb is dropped on a city of his. He surrendered after the second bomb to save himself, not the people, but this one is debateable.
@Flavio Triunfo-Loviselli Non ti arrabbiare, ci sono molti personi stupidi:)
Personalmente amo Italia e studio la tua lingua ma la trovo abbastanza difficile.
Italy 'switched' sides because it had all but lost the war and had little choice. Romania and Bulgaria found themselves in exactly the same situation and did the same and France essentially switched sides *twice*, although as she had been largely disarmed by the Germans, was unable to take an active role so remained nominally neutral. This is before one considers the fact that Italy essentially split in two, and only one of those 'halves' switched sides.
Only one nation in Europe can be said to have 'freely' chosen to switch sides, and that is Finland. Originally on the Axis side against the Soviets, Finland made a separate peace with Russia and turned on their former allies.
Finland: imma nope outta this one, Hiltar
It wasn't quite so simple. When the Allies entered Sicily many Sicilians wanted the Allies to win. There was actually a movement to have Sicily become a State in the US.Sounds silly now but members of my family supported that. When Italy declared war on America the Italians said, "Abbiamo dechiarato guerra contra paradiso". We have just declared war against paradise. Remember many millions of Italians and their children lived in America and more than a million Italian Americans, including my uncles swerved in the American military.
@@trajan75 Not entirely sure how this is a reply to my comment.
@@gaddob3363 Well as I said, it was a little more complicated than that. Despite Mussolini, the declaration of war against America was very unpopular in Italy for the reasons I stated They only lost Sicily. They could have fought on with Germany for another two years. Instead they deposed and imprisoned M. The partisan warfare was a revolt against the Germans and was quite bitter and bloody. More like what happened in Yugoslavia than in Bulgaria or Romania even though Italy entered the war as member of the axis. Perhaps you disagree.
@@trajan75 I think you underestimate Italy's military position at that stage. While only Sicily had been lost, it was still part of the Italian homeland and had at this stage lost all it's offshore territory.
Military, Italy was in an impossible position. It's failures in Greece, Russia and elsewhere had shown the Italian war machine as badly equipped and commanded by incompetent generals who largely owed their positions to their birth.
In short, the writing was on the wall and Victor Emmanuel lacked the stomach, as evidenced by his quick abandonment of Rome (something that played a large part in the abolition of the monarchy) added to this.
War with America was not popular. But neither was war with the UK, that Italians felt far more affinity for than Germany. However, it ultimately had Italy been doing better military, this would not have been an issue. Remember, the decision to surrender was not a populist one; it was made principally by Victor Emmanuel and the royalist factions in the government and it was based on self preservation, not any love of America.
Because Mussolini's ego was bigger than his army!
>< ha ha. It's true, Mare Nostrum. Latin for: Our sea. I'm of Italian background, you confirmed what has been asserted in military non-fiction texts..Roman glory, yeah just when America was armed to the teeth!
LET'S BE OBJECTIVE!! The main military powers that fought for years in WW2 were six :On one side Germany ,Italy and Japan .On the other side USA ,Russia,UK .That's it .Italy fought on two continents and four seas with 3.400.000 men (considering army ,navy ,aviation ,auxiliaries).Let's see some points:
1)First of all this video doesn't explain that before the ww2 Italy had two war campaignes in Ethiopia(1935-1936) and Spain civil war(1936-1939) and used a lot of resources to fight and finish those campaignes, for this reason wasn't ready in 1940.
2) REGIA MARINA:The Italian fleet was the fourth in the world in 1940, it had the same tonnage of navy like France .The Littorio Class was the backbone of the navy with the 3 huge battleships: Littorio ,Vittorio Veneto and Roma(in 1940 they were considered the most powerful battleships in the world like artillery.). The Regia Marina had very great successes with submarines ,they fought in fourth different seas:Mediterranean Sea, in the Red Sea,in the Persian Gulf and in the Atlantic Ocean. ,with 1750 missions and the sinking of 132 merchant ships and 18 military ships,Italy lost 128 submarines of the totaly 172.The X Mas ,was a special unit of assault and raid of the Regia Marina ,with great success of sinking to the Royal Navy.
3)REGIA AERONAUTICA:The Italian Air Force had in 1940: 1300 medium bomber ,1160 fighter aircaftt, 500 recoinassence aircraft .It had very good warfighters like Macchi 202 and Macchi 205,Fiat G 55 and the Reggiane RE 2005 (maybe the most beautiful airplane of the WW2) .Italy built from (1940 to 1943) 11508 airplanes(always less in comparison with the othern nations). Only the fourth squadron destroyed 585 airplanes plus 215 probably .The SM 79 was an amazing medium bomber ,very effcient as torpedo bomber ,infact sinked a lot of military ships (Fearless ,Bedouin ,Nestor ,Foresight,Pozarica ecc).The sum of the official ranking of the(only) flying aces is of 1225 shooting down aircrafts.(The highest is Franco Lucchini with 26).
4)REGIO ESERCITO AND SPECIAL FORCES The Italian Army fought in Russia,Yugoslavia,Greece,North Africa ,and South -East Africa with 1.800000 soldiers in 75 divisions(not all well-equipped). Very good were the machine guns Breda 30 and 36, the mortar 81mm, Beretta 38 submachine .Italy built very good armoured cars like the autoblinda 40 and 41 and the SPA Viberti AS 42 ,and only the the tank 105/25 m43.The Special forces like Folgore ,Bersaglieri ,Alpini ,The X Mas ecc were very combative .The Folgore fought in North Africa for 3 years stopping the best English troops.
5)VICTORIES AND HEROIC BATTLE:
- El Alamein in the 1942
-The last charge of Izbusenskij of the cavalry Savoy in Croazia in the 1942
- The sinking of the Queen Elizabeth and Valiant by the X Mas in the 1941
-Pantelleria air-naval battle with the sinking of the Burdwan ,Chan and Kentucky and the damage of many others in the 1942
-The battle of August 1942 with the sinking of Manchester ,Cairo and the damage of Nigeria ,Kenya ,Brisbane ecc
-The sinking of York and Pericles in the Sudan Bay by the X Mas 1941
- Italian conquest of British Somalia - 1940
-Italian conquest of Cassala,Gallabat and Kurmuk (British-Egypt Sudan)1940;
So there are a lot of victories of Italy in ww2(i have wrote only some) ,but Italy lost the war and the winners write the history for this reason there are a lot of fake videos like this .For sure Italy wasn't so bad, but don't worry you can read books(as "Courage Alone" of Chris Dunning) and check on internet .And don't forget ITALY was the first nation to use airplanes in combat in Libia in 1911 and to built the first jet plane Campini Caproni without propeller. Also did a lot of world air records in the 30s .Bye
They didn't technically switch sides. The withdrew from the war and the American and British forces advanced into Italy until Germany sent reinforcements through then neutral Italy to the front line of where the Allied forces were. So Italy withdrew from the war and then was invaded by Germany to protect Germany's southern flank.
We did switch side but only cause we did not have a choice
@@alexmoretti8178 no, eravamo letteralmente suddivisi in 2 fazioni quindi se proprio dobbiamo dire che l'Italia ha chiambiato squadra dobbiamo precisare che è stato il sud a farlo e non tutto il paese
It's also good too remember the brazilian soldiers that were so important on freeing the italians from the fascism, they fought in many battles specially Montese and Monte Castello.
Romania switches sides in both wars too
Well yes. But Romania joined axis only because of the Soviet Union. Romania was obliged to cede the province of Bessarabia to USSR, and Romanians where not only scared by Russians, but also they wanted that land back. They agreed to enter the war side by side with Germany, which at the time was the most powerful nation in the war. Also, Romania was also forced by Hungary to cede a part of Transilvania to her. Romania wanted to retake some land and some respect. If I am correct, Romania wasn't even a fascist state. When things started looking bad for Germany and her allies, Romania did what was best. What happened in Italy is totally different
And, in ww1 Romania joined war on the side of the entente, but not much later was utterly and brutally crushed by Bulgaria and Austria-Hungary.
Romania didnt switch sides in ww1 ,where din you get that ? Stop with no informated stuff. And what the other person say ,yes , is true ,Romania enter the war because of USSR ,same situation and Finland done
@@raulstefan3152 so I was right?
@@ilbranca9208 but you were wrong when you said that Romania was crush by Austro Hungary and Bulgaria, that is false . Germany defeated at first Romania But it only occupied the southern part of the country, the capital was move from Bucharest to Iași , which Iași is the historycal capital which Romania was born in 1859 when Alexandru Ioan Cuza Uniter Wallachia with Moldova . And Romania have continue to fight i her eastern part ,so only 50 % of Romania was occupied, and by crash ,the Austro Hungarians and Germans were crush by romanians at battle of Mărășești in 1917 . So better example ,what did happen to Romania in 1916 ,is exactly what did happen to USSR in 1941 . Same vad start But at the end both conquer the enemy capital ,Russian take Berlin in 1945 ,and Romanians take the capital of Hunagry Budapest in 1919
Everybody talking about Italy switching sides and nobody be taking about how Russia switched sides during the 7 years war
@yeetus fetus more like the united states without states
Either side they where on they were a joke. Better off without them.
It's pretty simple: when Sicily and the africans holdings were gone because of the Allies, Italy signed a white peace, arrested Mussolini (who started the war in the first place) and got out of the war.
Nazis responded with the occupation of the peninsula (which at this point was neutral territory), the slaughter of civilians and also with freeing Mussolini and establishing the puppet state "the Republic of Salò" (which is a pretty funny Republic considering it was a dictatorship led by puppet Mussolini).
After that the resistance arouse, and Italy was forced to declare war on Germany and their Italian brethrens still loyal to Mussolini.
Italy HAD to switch side to fight german invasion. Lets go through the main facts happening before the armistice.
Mussolini, that had always been along with Hitler and started the war, was dismissed in July 1943, as the war was going bad.
The newly appointed government realized that war was lost (Sicily had been just occupied by the Allies), and decide to surrend by negotiating an armistice. Nothing weird so far: even Russia in WW1 signed for an armistice through the new communist government, following the revolution.
The day after the armistice, on September 9th, german army started the military invasion of Italy. To oppose the military occupation, after few weeks, the new government declared war to Germany on the same side of the Allies. Had the Germany NOT invaded, Italy would have never switched side: the goal of the new government was simply to get out of the war.
It is widely believed that Italy betrayed Germany: it was actually Germany that invaded Italy when the latter decided to get out of the war. That said, from a pure strategic point view, geography didn’t play well for Italy as at the time of the armistice it was positioned between the Allies, that had already a footstep in Sicily and were willing to move north, and Germany, that invaded Italy in order to stop the Allies.
@Legio XXI Rapax i see, i see, because i see alot people saying the same thing but i didn't know mussolini was hanged and i also didn't that italy and germany were still in partnership, interesting
Italy switching side is rubbish. It is just a lie
Italy didn't swich sides in WW2. It was defeated and consequently surrendered. The participation of the southern part's army at US's side was due to german invasion.
Exactly.
Quiz : Who would win a war between Italy and France?
Answear: Non of them. Because France capitulates and Italy switches the sides.
Yoh got the award of the dumbest comment under this video
It would have been stalemate.
This comment is tainted with 14 year old history student....
@@thecommentaryking But also amazing
italy was losing aganist France while they were being overrun by the germans so that is false
It’s not “Bendaglio”, it’s Badoglio
(With the “gl” sounding like a spanish “ll”)!
poi il fatto che non parla dei partigiani mi fa arrabbiare perchè furono una parte chiave del cambiamento di governo e l'arresto di mussolini
Giacomo Oliva è chiaramente un video fatto alla meno peggio e poco informativo.
Senza rancore per chi l’ha fatto.
@@Franco-in9jo Badollo?
@@giacomooliva6021 I partigiani "fondamentali nell'arresto di mussolini"? lol...eggià, badoglio, ex gerarca fascista è stato CHIARAMENTE influenzato dai aprtigiani ANTIFASCISTI.
Dove ve le raccontano ste cagate? il 90% del governo post 1943 e post armistizio, i collaboratori che si sono schierati con gli alleati, erano EX FASCISTI che hanno cambiato cavallo non appena hanno visto il nuovo trend.
@@freedomordeath89 più o meno, gli Americani studiano spagnolo quindi penso sia più facile per loro capirlo.
When you switch side and the axis is mad at you then Romania Bulgaria and Finland does the same and everyone still remembers you
Sad spaghetti noises
But then you realize that after the world you keep most of your territory and one of your colony and you also didn’t end up split in two or atom bombed and then whit America’s money you have an economic boom and have a rapid industrialization 10 years after the war
*Laugh in Spaghetti*
Alessandro Vitagliano Bulgaria didn't do the same.Bulgaria was forced to join the axis , and left it at the first possible occasion.Italy joined the axis voluntarily.
Pizza cackles with delight.
Karnik Badvaganyan in fact it was the only axis country to gain territory
My great grandpa fought in Italy with the allies in ww2
The funny thing that Italy wanted an Empire but lost the war England, on the contrary won the war but nevertheless lost his Empire !
Pro tip: mind ur own business
Better to lose your empire than your country and your empire.
Imagine having the brain so big that you consider a civil war as "switching sides"
Hurr durr italy switch side hahahaha
Vittorio Emanuele wasn’t really a civil was as much as it was not switching sides. The Italians were invaded and had no government cause of the chaos, the allies set up a new government and the loyal fascist Italians set up a fascist italian state.
@@Void_Wars and when you have 2 faction of the same country fighing each other is called....? Civil war.
VFAHSN that would be like calling the eastern front a “civil war”
Jonathan Villegas tf are you talking about? Autism didn’t win the battle...
technically italy never switched sides. Italy surrendered after the allies invaded, which forced germany to invade Italy and set up a puppet state, so it was really just the allies fighting germany on italian land
Your wrong after italy surrender on October 13 1943 Italy declares war on germany so it just not the allies they got Italy to in their side
@@christiancaspillo8584 Yes, but very few italian soldiers fought on both sides (Allies vs Germany) after 8th September 1943. In the south there was a puppet state under Allies occupation, in the north it was the same but under Germany occupation. Most people simply remained at home, but most of the Army was outside Italian borders anyway (in the Balkans) and after 8th September 1943 they were simply captured by the Germans without a fight (no clear orders arrived from Rome about what to do). And could only return home in 1945 at war end.
Italy and Japan were ignored by France and England during the writing of the Versailles Treaty. They decided to go with Germany next time.
And a few years later Britain ended it's alliance with Japan at the urging of the United States
Japan fought much before Sept1939 in China, but they declared it as an Asian War. Even so, it was Japan who kicked the USA into WW2 by the Battle of Hawaii
No, Italy gained South Tyrol and Trieste. They just wanted more.
@@edmerc92 The britons did not respect the treaty of London, anyway we took the rest of the promises with our own.
If you call losing getting invaded and then finally switching sides , actually switching sides , ok.... lol
Of course...
ww1 italy betrayed us and stole our land
befor ww2 italy sayed it will protect us against hitler and betrayed us and took our land
ww2 italy betrayed us and stole our land...
today italy still has south tyrol and some other stuff...
i dont care why someone did what they did cause it doesnt chanche what they have done and italy fucking betrayed us 🧐
@@user-et6cr6qd8v in ww1 Austria attacked Serbia without consulting Italy (only with Germany) and we ENTERED THE WAR WITH THE ENTENTE, not with the Central Powers, if you switch sides, you do that DURING a war
It was a civil war, Mussolini was arrested and the government signed an armistice with the allies and declared war on Germany, so Germany invaded Italy and created the Italian social Republic, with Mussolini, but the government with Pietro Badoglio was still there, so it was a civil war, but this is all explained in the video which clearly you didn't watch
@@user-et6cr6qd8v Italy and Austria where in a Defensive Pact not an Alliance.. You where the Aggressor, Italy had no duty at all to follow you in to that hellhole Austria.
Simple answer... Germany started loosing.
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From Czech perspective I would say Italy was state not full of nazi followers. Musolini had no such a ability as a Hitler to control entire nation by his speechs, and that in my opinien put the effect on morale of Soldiers and many other factors, But I do not believe Italy was switch the sides only because they were losing only, they were still big anti nazi groups since the begining.
Can’t beat them. Join them
-Kevin DurSnake
@@Giuan so they switched sides then...?
@@Giuan Ok so one half switched sides then?
Im not first
Im not last
But when i saw your video...
i clicked fast
change your nappies kid. You would soil yourself if you were sent to a real battlefront...good boy.
Me watching this being half Italian and half Greek: 😶😂
Oh The Good Old Meme
saying that Italy switched sides is like saying France switched sides simply by being divided
Mussolini: you turned them against me
Allies: you've done that yourself
There were 2 Italy: RSI Italy remained with the axis, the king and the kingdom chose the allies. However we lost the war, we hanged the Duce and exiled the king up to the 3rd generation. Then we became a democracy and a liberal republic: what else do you want from us?
except that italy literally switched sides
Oh my god, i'm from italy and your pronunce of Pietro Badoglio is awesome
ma e americano..che ne pretendi,,? :)
@@Deere66Bob intendo che la adoro e basta, non ho discriminato nessuno
italy was not a democracy like france or united states. people of italy never decided democratically to go to war side by side with nazi germany. it was a regime that decided for the people and when the regime collapsed most of italian people saw the allied as potential liberators after 20 years of tiranny.
The ppl supported that regime tho. No excuses
Summary. They switched sides... because they got their asses kicked.
@John Vento ...and...they got their asses kicked...
@Sursumkorda now we are 2 vs 2
@Sursumkorda It took them 2 years to do it.
@Sursumkorda FRom April 9-23, 1943 the Italians won the final battles against the Greeks and drove them out of Albania. The largest defeat for the Greeks occurred at the3-day battle Of Ponte Perati April 19-21, 1941. The Greeks suffered 50,000 casualties and most of their tanks. You will find this on Highway of Death , the second Battle of Ponte Perati.
@Sursumkorda You have a hard time admitted to the truth.
My grand grandpa fought the greeks and the british in Albania
Someone will probably say your grandpa was a fascist bastard, but all Italian soldiers except for the really fanatical ones deserve respect for their bravery. Ignore all the SJWs. Respect to your grandpa from an half-Italian.
@@konradgranqvist8131 thank you bro 🇮🇹♥️
Konrad Granqvist He did his duty. Otherwise he would have got shot.
Me watching this being half Italian and half Greek: 😶😂
My great grandfather on my mom’s side was apart of the Greeks that pushed the Italians away
My noni lived in Italy during WW2 and most of the populous were not for Mussolini. Just look at what they did to him when they took him to Milano after they had captured him.
yes, finally someone who understands history not just with memes
Faltou citar os 25.000 soldados brasileiros que foram para Itália 🇧🇷❤🇮🇹
Na gringa os brasileiros não são lembrados ...
Como americano, nunca esquecerei como o Brasil esteve do nosso lado na Segunda Guerra Mundial
Contra italia
Eles não credita a gente em nada
Há pior. Veja os 50.000 soldados que Portugal enviou para a Frente Ocidental na Primeira Guerra. Boa sorte encontrar sequer uma bandeira com a localizaçao do Corpo Expedicionário Português nos mapas gringos (só na ofensiva de La Lys, sete divisões alemãs atacaram o CEP e sofremos 7.500 baixas só NO PRIMEIRO DIA). Mas para os gringos, quem fala Português nunca existiu nas guerras mundiais... só deu eles e mais ninguém.
I've been a recent visitor, watching first your take on the Balkan Wars, the US History and then this.
Viola ! What a neat presentation ! Lovely !
Thanks for your support!
@@Knowledgia Italy never switch sides
1 min of talking why italy switched side, 9 mins of non stop rambling.
Hoang Tuan ... just f off
My great grandfather and my great great grandfather joined ww2
When get invade
Germany: I will fighting till they walk in my Berlin
Japan: I will fighting till i die
Italy: Imma join them and fight my old ally
well, if your ally was decided by a dictator you couldn't overturn until foreign help arrived...
You: better learn engliah
@@ethank.6602 You mean me?, If yes, Okay i sorry about my english because i not from Europe and United State i from Asia. (I don't want to tell what my country, Sorry)
@Vid Caf The allies had no business going to war with us.. Look at us all now.. fucking destroyed by globalist liberal democracy and neo bolshevikism.... Do you really still feel like a winner?... We tried to stop that shit from the beginning We should be seen as the greatest heros in western history instead its this bullshit.. Shame. There will be another war again soon.. I only hope we all work together this time.
Tanxwa S Actually Germany attacked Italy first
Remenber boys, Brazil fight in this War
No
@@Solid_Snake99 actually it's true
@@renegaderebel2223 yes but whatever
@@Solid_Snake99 then why you denied it???
@@renegaderebel2223 it's not like they saved us or anything
The Italians never switched sides, Mussolini’s dictatorship fell by the hands of partisans
Italy didn't switch sides. The government got taken over and the old government in the north later invaded. That's not switching sides.
The German government also got taken over, so technically there was never a war.
@Gar most of the italians didn't want to go to war,they couldn't care less about a shitty dream of a coward fool(Mussolini)
Good overview. I have been teaching my students about Canada’s role in Italy as our school is near Ortona.
you should study better , these video was around 40 % accurate
Crazy to see how far the animation has come
“The toe of Italy”? Calabria
Calabria is known as the “toe” of the “boot” of Italy.
"We know a thing or two, because we've seen a thing or two."
Lol nice one
Greece victory over Italy was the first allied victory of WWII and the turning point of the war: Hitler blamed Mussolini's "Greek fiasco" for his failed campaign in
Russia. "But for the difficulties created for us by the Italians and
their idiotic campaign in Greece", he commented in mid-February 1945, "I
should have attacked Russia a few weeks earlier," he later said. Hitler
noted that, the "pointless campaign in Greece", Germany was not
notified in advance of the impending attack, which "compelled us,
contrary to all our plans, to intervene in the Balkans, and that in its
turn led to a catastrophic delay in the launching of our attack on
Russia. We were compelled to expend some of our best divisions there.
And as a net result we were then forced to occupy vast territories in
which, but for this stupid show, the presence of our troops would have
been quite unnecessary". "We have no luck with the Latin races", he
complained afterwards.
Hitler blamed everyone except himself in 1945. What he said about the Battle of Greece and the intervention in the Balkans was just the rant of an old madman
"Having the lack of proper warplanes in terms of number and technology" the problem was the number, 1943 italian fighters were deemed the best fighter of the axis even by allied test pilots, the problem is they wern't enough.
Also you should have put a bit more enphasis on the fact Italy was practically split in two: the Cobelligerant Italy of Badoglio with the Allies and Mussolini'Italian Social Republic with the Axis.
Aka their equipment was poor and they were not ready for a war.
@@ls200076 true,just see how poorly Mussolini managed his help in Spain,giving them lots of good weapons and then not having them for war
The great resistance to the idea of Italy switching sides seems rather pessimistic about the effectiveness of military leadership. Armies can do good things in limited engagements.
saying that Italy switched side in ww2 is like saying that the american revolutionaries switched side against Britain with France. It's a bit deeper and more complicated than that.
Because it literally is switching sides...
@@dannemesias9625 they had a 2 years long civil war to overthrow mussolini, and when they won, the new government signed the armistice with the allies
Easy because the Axis powers were losing lol; that’s why they switch sides.
It's not as if italy was a productive member of the axis anyway. Couldn't even defeat greece... Germany would been better off without them
@@hazzmati thats not true, the problem was with basic equipment and the high ranking officers, in africa at some points 2/3 of rommel forces were italians, and whe all know how whell he did in the african front, the big problem was with officers, the equipment were pretty bad for the african campaing but on the eastern front they managed to beat the russians until 1943, they werent by far the best of troops, but with a good general even coal turns to gold.
@@hazzmatijust If you have a bad ally you still have an ally.
Also if Italy would have not joined the axis they would have joined UK declaring war on Germany, Italy would have holded fairly well against german blitzkrieg (it's realistic to say that they would have resisted capitulation) because of the same reasons that slowed the Allied advance from the South, the terrain; then, with reinforcement from UK, the front could have been stabilized somewhere in the peninsula, that situation would have meant that Germany had an early open front in the south and they totally would have hated that.
So yes, It was definetly a benefit for Germany to have Italy in their faction even with those poor performance.
Ah yes civil war equals switching sides
Patriot Joelephic Wrong. After the allied invasion of Sicily, Mussolini was deposed and arrested, and the new government signed an armistice. Germany later invaded northern and central Italy, setting up the Italian Social Republic, still led by Mussolini after he was rescued. Some Italian troops in the south were organized into the Italian Co-belligerent Army, which fought alongside the Allies and the Italian resistance in order to liberate the country, while others, loyal to Mussolini, continued to fight alongside the Germans. It was a civil war
People always make much noise about Italy "switching sides" but hardly remember that France did exactly the same thing: switching sides and cooperating with Nazis.
It was so evident that when the war was over the US wanted to consider France as a deafeted enemy rather than a freed ally.
Vichy France never declared war on the allies.
Yes but France is "We surrender country!" And who have the military yeal of "Sacrebleu. Retrait des soldats, retrait!"
@@nicolas.p331 bullshit vichy airforce and navy fought the allies in gibraltar
Romania and Bulgaria was ignored and yet they switched sides
The French has acted as rearguards for the British retreat at Dunkirk
@@alexandrub8786 France has the best military record of Europe and won countless wars. It is certainely not a Romanian, whom country is totally irrelevant in Europe, that is going to mock our history
The large map where Italy and the conquered lands is shown in green has one error: Corsica is marked as green an Sardinia not, whereas it should be the other way around.
it was Germany that betrayed Italy: They asked us nothing before threatening both Czechoslovakia and Poland; the German troops that blocked the allies in the south had already been ready behind the alps since May 1943 and did nothing to prevent the allied landing.
Italy repeatedly told Germany they were not ready for war, at least for 5 years. They clearly stated they needed to re-equip and rebuild the armed forces. Germany gave reassurances, then invaded Poland.
@@mich722 germany really wanted poland huh? that's why both japan and italy just got fucked after the war
#facepalm
The King changed sides without informing the people or the military
Because it was treason as he had no support from the military or the people.
In short, Mussolini aspired to recreate the Holy Roman Empire with an outdated military.
Thank you it was so interesting because I love so much history and sure about the war history
BlueCleanClamp Then search more reliable sources... 😀😎😘
Raffaele Irlanda 😁
So Italy never changed side in WW2. It was attacked by the Germans, their former allies, after an armistice.
it literally switched sides
@@sursumkorda No, if they attack you, you defend yourself, it's not switching sides.
@@JoutenShin italy never defended itself since it has always attacked other countries
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@@sursumkorda Operation Achse.
Quick answer: It flat out didn't, Germany invaded it's former ally whom had surrendered to secure it's southern flank, and Italy scrambled to sign treaties allowing the allies to move forces to support the Italian monarchists in the south against the rapidly advancing Germans that were tasked with disarming and arresting Italian divisions and brigades they came across. (Italy did not accept French forces in the campaign however.)
Italy waiting for both teams to balance the amount of players while spamming the switch team button.
Never switch sides
As much as I would love to see the Roman Empire reunite, it most certainly should not happen while allied with Hitler
9:40 Mussolini was captured by italian partisans, then the British demanded for his execution, although this ending was an option of choose for italian partisans movement, too. All the important papers (even Churchill's letters to him and the italian King) that Mussolini was carrying along with him, disappeared in those days.
My grandfathers fought in italy and albania against italians and nazis....one fact you may not know is that italians were deploying albanian troops (peasants and shepards) against greeks but they would either run away or betray them in the middle of the battle....it is very disturbing to see greece as part of italy,they didnt deserve any cm of our land because we totally rect they and if it wasnt for the nazis we would remove all italian influence from the balkans
Italy did not switched side. Italy simply surrendered, but germany occupied italian territory instead of taking away its troops. So it is natural that Italy decided to push back germany out of its own territory. That's all.
If I were Germany, I would have done the same. Why provide that strategic bonus to the advancing Allied? There was no reason not to.
@@gs7828 , the war was already lost, even by germany. So, the occupation of italian territory was useless, as far as the useless desperate resistance of germany in the last phase of ww2. Germans, like japaneses, were mindlessly overconfident, and in facts they payed a great price for their stupid pride...
watching clip for 10 minutes, understood nothing, read comments for 30 seconds, understood all:)))
The Italian military effort collapsed, they didn't switch sides. Thank God they didn't continue fighting, cause then one of humanities most art rich countries would have been bombarded for a stupid (and wrong) cause.
What happened to the Italian Kings soldiers after the surrender? Where they allowed to go back to there hometown ?
Yes, after the bombing of Rome in July 1943 the Italian government decided to surrender. They feared the 'flying barbarians would destroy everything.
So for anyone asking: in WWI Italy was part of the Triple Alliance. It was a strictly defensive allaince . If one of the three nations attacked first and it wasn't for defensive matters the other 2 members could decide to leave the alliance or support the attacking nation. In this case Italy to join the war helping the Central Powers, asked lands from Austria (Istria, Trentino Alto Adige and Dalmazia). Austria refused thus Italy joined the Entente.
In WWII the Italian government collapsed and it lead to the formation of the Repubblica di Salò ( Mussolini's new state ) and the Kingdom of Italy, it wasn't a kingdom tho it wasn't part of the Repubblica di Salò, it was lead by the old king, its army was made up by the anti-fascist and the old army of the kingdom. This two new states were supported by the Allies ( Kingdom ) and the Germans ( Repubblica di Salò). It eventually led to the German defeat.
7:30 many Army officers were chosen for their loyalty to the Monarchy, not for their capacities (e.g. Gen. Badoglio). Instead, Gen. Messe was proven on the field one of the best High rank officers of both 1° and 2° WW.
Wasn't Italy with allies in WW1?
What do you mean? The Triple Entente or the Triple Alliance?
@Sursumkorda No
@Sursumkorda Wrong
@Sursumkorda Wrong, unless what you said happened on another Earth
@Sursumkorda What you posted proves nothing. Italy entered WW1 as a member of the Entente not as a member of the Triple Alliance, that means that there was no switching sides
Italian tanks in ww2 had 1 forward gear and 3 reverse ones. My dad’s joke about italian war machines.
What a shitty joke
Your Das is the living proof for the failed american education system.
@Sursumkorda Im swiss you amerifat
Probably true...
In this way, false and without respect, you killed all the young italian died soldiers, and their memory, a second time. Shame on you.
My granpa was in Sicily while the invasion. He told us that there was nothing to eat, and they had to eat rats and things of the sort. Also, they didn't put a resistence and were taken by the Americans from Sicily to Africa
Next : why Romania Switched side
Good video but it's not accurate in the political and social aspects. There wasn't Italy and a puppet state, there were 2 different Italian states, Italy splits in 2 parts. During the Italy campaign both axis and allies deploys in the frontline the Italian infantry. It was a devastating civil war, where fascist regiments fought the regiments of the new government, and where civilians soffers orrible treatments by the invasors of both sides (the Germans killed 10 civilians, also kids and women, for every German soldier killed, even when they didn't die for partisans or fights)
Glad to see people here that know what actually happened.
Ikr, it pretty jarring when people say that Italy didn't switched sides. Like, they totally did. Every European country knows that. Heck even the countries up north knows it.
@@ls200076 The argument here is Italy was split in two thanks to the fascists so they never switched sides, just like Germany was also split in two by the fascists so they never actually went to war.
@@ls200076 you two are just people too proud to see the truth,most of the italians never wanted to go to war but the coward Mussolini boasting about things that didn't have forced thousands of farmers that never believed in him to go die for him under shitty fascists leader
@@ls200076 Technically the fascists in the North were still Italians, and they still were with the Nazis. Then which Italians switched sides? Jesus Christ pull your head out of your butt and start not oversimplifying history, idiot
Italy did not ‘switch sides’. This ignorant hypothesis gets repeated over and over. The Grand Council ejected Mussolini from power and had him arrested. Badoglio and the King agreed an armistice with the allies. Mussolini was sprung from imprisonment by German commandos and instated in Salo - a fascist republic. Italy then endured two years of civil war, Italians fought Italians and Italians fought the allies and the German ‘occupation’ . Italian soldiers fought on the allied side and alongside the German army.
Bravo Brav;. Clap Clap!
09:51 Why is Corsica part of Italy while Sardinia is not?
A tiny mistake, I am very sorry about that.
@@Knowledgia Nothing to be sorry about. Great video nonetheless :D
You have it backwards Corsica (think Napoleon) was French , Sardinia is part of Italy .
@@kevinmarsh5101 yes but in video Corsica is Green and not Sardinia
Kevin Marsh They occupied Corsica from the French during that time so that’s why it was green
5:39 The armistice was announced in September 8th, queen Elizabeth died literally 79 years later...
8:11 Why isnt Sardinia included in Italy while Corsica is lol.
It was taken by allies
*italy: surrenders*
Germany: 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑗𝑜𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡
I see that you are animating better now good job
WW1
Germony: so let’s invade Europe
Italy: I’m on yuor side
*war starts*
Germony: hey when u gonna join?
Italy: I will
*switch side*
Germoney: *TRIGGERED*
WW2
Germoney: war time Italy join me
Italy: join war
*later*
Mussolini dopes
Italy: *SwiTcH SiDe*
Germoney: *TRIGGERED*
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Italy was never on Germany's side in WW1 They entered in the war on the Allied side in 1915 before 1915 Italy was neutral
Alan Moore have you heard about triple powers