The WASP Pratt & Whitney R2800 Radial Engine.
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- This is an authentic Working P&W R2800 Radial Engine. Everything here is real, and setup to show history. This particular engine was manufactured by Chevrolet in the 1943 time frame. Watch to find out more about it and hear it run!
Fantastic engine! It is heartwarming to know there are people who are skilled enough to work on these engines and get them up and running. What a great way to turn gasoline into noise (music!))
Very nice restoration project you have there. Think Pratt and Whitney called the R-2800 Double Wasp whereas the R-1830 was the Twin Wasp. I am an A&P mechanic by trade and a good friend of mine owned a Republic P-47D Thunderbolt fighter plane that I helped him maintain. Running up that old Pratt and Whitney R-2800 engine and feeling how powerful it is during mag checks never gets old. Taxiing the Thunderbolt around the airport to do engine runups was a lot of fun. Those were fun times.
My father flew the Northrop P-61B Black Widow night fighter once to escape a snow storm in Seattle, Washington after delivering a B-29 Superfortress to a mod depot there in 1945. Only planes they had to fly out were 10 brand new P-61B Black Widows. A Captain checked him out in the P-61 and he was able to beat the snow storm. The Captain sat behind my dad in the gunners chair on the trip to the Boeing Factory to make sure he was flying the plane correctly. Dad met his co-pilot at the Boeing Factory in Wichita, Kansas so they could pick up a brand new B-29 Superfortress and fly it to MacDill Field in Tampa, Florida. When my father showed up at the Boeing Plant with that new P-61B, my dad's co-pilot was so jealous and he called him a showoff and said you just had to fly that Black Widow to meet me here didn't you? The Captain flew the P-61B back to Seattle by himself. My father and his co-pilot had interesting conversations about the Black Widow on the trip back to MacDill Field in their new B-29 Superfortress.
Im a survivor of the Lynyrd Skynyrd Band plane crash in 1977, and we were on a Convair 240, with Pratt Whitney R 2800, We ran out of fuel at 8000 feet, and the NTSB said we should have had 170 gallons of fuel. I'm making this short, but I hope in the near future you will respond. We had a Torching in the right engine the night before at about 1500, feet and the pilot were flying ( auto rich ) both times. As we were running out of fuel on the day of the crash, I saw fuel coming out in a arch I assume being pushed by the fuel pumps. The short of a long story, what kind of problems can torching create. Input is welcome from all, and I can give you a lot more details of the event.
At 50gph... Not much fuel for any trip...
That must have been a horrifying experience. I hope you weren't injured badly. Thanks for sharing!
@@mikearakelian6368 ours burn between 80 and 100 gph per engine depending on power setting
Nice!!! What a Beast!!! This engine design became a legend in several of the WW-2 planes., and was still used on several cargo/personnel and some attack / bomber planes in the Korean and South-East Asian conflicts...And it continues to power civilian cargo planes, fire-bombers and vintage aircraft... What an amazing machine!!! This man must have had a real good time restoring it !!! Great job!!! I wonder how much fuel it gulped down in that short run? Whatever it drank, it was worth every ounce of fuel, hearing it RUN !!!
He had a 10 gallon tank, but really only used about 3 or 4 gallons... I would have figured it would have been more, but really, he was not pulling that much power out of it. If he had really pulled the power, it would have probably sucked the tank dry!
That is a very distinctive and nostalgic sound! Well done!
Grandfather flew an F4U and every time we talk about the r2800 a slight glint in his eye appears and a smirk. Like "yeah I controlled that beast and flew it well!". Amazing the stories behind those cylinders.
Yes great way to spend a weekend in your back yard.... Love all of 'em. Was luck enough to work on the R-2000 7m2... Great hobby
Terrific. I wish I had a fraction of your skills. Great to see and good luck with any future projects.Thanks.
Yes, I know that this sound is real and not substituted. Have a look to my engine, than you see and hear, what I mean. Radials are the best fuel to noise converter.
....and that Ladies & Gentlemen is one GOOD sound'in Chevy !
Yes it is.... One of my favorite engines...
NO CHEVY SOUNDS THAT GOOD
FYI: my Dad fixed these engines as a A&P. Double rowed too for airliners. The smoke must stop after start up.
Running rich as hell but still sounds good. The exhaust system appears to be from a Convair 240. In 1965 I was a young mechanic for an airline operating the Convairs, and every night I got to open the cowling and discover broken and loose parts of the exhaust just waiting to be repaired. Broken pork chops, figure-eight clamps, loose exhaust studs all needed attention. The engine is older than the exhaust system. The model seen here has the earlier, high-tension ignition system, while the R-2800 CB16 engines on the 240 had the later, low-tension ignition. Glad he was able to find enough parts to get it running.
A PIECE OF WORK, MAN...They built 135,000 of them! The PW R-2800 is the most reliable piston engine ever built since the WW II...It was still getting built new in 1978 for the Canadair CL-215! I spent one summer in France-Marseille and watched them flying these at full throttle (balls actually stuck in the wall...REALLY!)and at 1000 hours, toss these engines out and put a new one and went away, again full throttle! I was throttle back as normally and these guy zoomed by me going 30 miles hour faster!(balls in the wall, of course!)
Yes, this one does have an electric starter. Note the video at 1:49. the item with the white wire connected to it is the starter. They basically had 3 types of starters. Early part of the War they had "centrifugal starters" which was a manual hand cranked fly wheel that spun up prior to engagement. 2nd was a "shot gun starter" which was a cartridge fired starter that us. 1 Cartridge, 1 Try and hopefully start. In the later part of the war they were almost if not all electric starters.
I've had a running argument with my brothers as to the elite fighter of WW2. Frankly, with this motor in both the F4U and Hellcat, you were covered on either side. OK, there are lots of P51 adherents, but the radial aspect of this engine(as opposed to the non-radial Merlin) made these aircraft able to not only take it in the air, but also conduct air-to-ground missions with much greater endurance.
Well-done mate astonishing 👍
Worked Northern Air Cargo a number of years ago when all they had were DC-6's and two C-82's. Did engine build up and have some experence running these engines. Normal shut down is cut the mixture, no fuel no fire and it coast's down. Then once it's stopped then cut the mag's. On start up (cold start) open the throttle up about the width of your thumb. These big motors need air to get them turning. Once it's up and running slowly bring the throttle back to whre it idles smoothly.
Nice to safe this wonderful engine ,sounds awesome.
I want one just like that!!! Lucky bumb....running alittle on rich side....put this on my bucket list..
Good job, thanks for the outstanding sound. :o)
I have one in my living room, I always start it right before my mother in law come to visit us.
;o)
We had those in our DC6's. One time a prop blade flew off & the engine shook itself off the aircraft.
Beautiful engine 😍
Great hobby you've got there!! One of the meanest machines ever built! I'm still hoping one day a ground run of the Napier Sabre will be possible!!
Great sound! 😄 Thanks for posting.
It has been said that more types of aircraft in WW2 were powered by the R2800 than any other.
I read a technical paper on the development of this masterpiece. The biggest problem was preventing crankshaft failure do to torque vibrations in the center main bearing. Curtis Wright solved the problem, but Pratt Whitney had to bypass their patents. They did so and made a very long lived engine family. I heard that Pratt Whitney stopped production in 1963.
Lol. Who needs a Merlin when you got a big A** Pratt & Whitney. Yep the orchestra has more than one instrument hahaha love the sound of good motors. Merlin's included.
So this is basically a Double-Wasp.
Awesome video, especially the end
Also until the motor has warmed up don't expect it to idle on the idle stop! There is a LOT of iron in them and they don't run well till they are hot.
You have spent a great deal of time an effort on this project so one last suggestion try not to feater or snap the throttle like a motocycle or big block V-8. If my boss caught me doing that he would break my fingers.
Couldn't wait till the fireworks were over. Nice.
Those were unintentional and the cause was from a piece of trash in the Carburetor! but it did get some attention.... Hearing protectors certainly help
Amazing.thenks
i would have set up the control panel about 200 feet away from that
Was this filmed at the Eagle's Nest, in Waynesboro Virginia..? I live here(there) and use to go there to watch the planes land and take off...a 2000 foot runway...I know Andy (a pilot) that use to take me up...and let me fly the plane for awhile that...I love that place...I know like in LONG ISLAND NY...I MISS THAT PLACE.........
This was in Salem Virginia at the RVRC Remote Control Flying Field that was at a public even that we held.
it was "normally aspirated", it has one "Down Draft Carburetor". I agree. I love those big ole engines as well and they have a sound all there own.
The R-2800 has an internal 2 speed supercharger.
Beats my COX .049 :)
9 Harley Davidson's all at once. Thanks for the upload!
So what kind of mileage do you get when it's running and yer cruising down the road?
Hi,
engine is started with a direct cranking 28,5 Volt electrical starter with very high torque. I have a Curtiss-Wright R-3350-engine, started the same way.
Some engines are started with a flywheel starter, that means, a heavy metal wheel is accelerated to high RPM with help of an electric motor and wth a clutch the kinetic energy is tranfered to the crankshaft. This makes the whiny noice you will hear during this procedere. Hope I could help.
Regards
Andre from Germany
Sparkie, looks like you have a "Ham Stan" on the prop. You really should have used a "club". And looking at the stern of R2800, Wasn't a very good vid, but I would swear that I only saw 1 mag. Well, I don't do much with round engines. =Stefan=
If I could wake up with that sound as my alarm in the morning, I'd be happier to get out of bed.
Airboat project
Very cool! Do you always run the prop in feathered/semi-feathered condition or do you actually increase your prop to normal operating condition? Even though it's a small prop for such a large radial engine, I'd think that if you increased prop to full, it'd push your truck around like a tonka toy...lol. Also, do you have plans on installing the engine into an aircraft for actual flying use, or is it no longer airworthy? Thanks for posting this video! :)
I see in the comments that you could send someone an mp3 of the engine sound, I would like an mp3 of that also,
the R2800 is the Double Wasp. Here's the P&W Wasp Family
Pratt & Whitney R-1340 Wasp
Pratt & Whitney R-985 Wasp Junior
Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp
Pratt & Whitney R-1535 Twin Wasp Junior
Pratt & Whitney R-2000 Twin Wasp
Pratt & Whitney R-2180-E Twin Wasp E
Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp
Pratt & Whitney R-4360 Wasp Major
And Mr Campbell, are you kin to Richard Campbell...from that area..we, me and him use to work together...back in 2004.
No, I am not Kin to Richard. I do not now him.
Awesome! :)
The P&W R2800 is the Double WASP engine. The Single WASP was the R1800 series
Do you mean the R-1830?
@@desireegrisham3892 yes in that group
Cool!
Big power
Who knew Chevrolet made these? I knew Dodge made most of the engines for the B29's . It was great that America's industrial giants stepped up & made stuff that won us the war.
Back during WWII most all auto makers stopped making cars or very many of them and went to produce products towards the War Effort...
Why? Huge $$$$ profits.
Where to get lots of money from but straight from the people who print it.
What is the HP without turbo super charging ? Can these engines still be purchased for powering personal aircraft ? What does a REbuilt engine like this cost ?
I`d like to have that.
Great job. But that prop is not giving any cooling airflow. Looks like the engine was running hot towards the end.
The prop is only there for a load. You cannot run the engine with out a load because of overspeed issues, and without a load it will shutdown unexpectedly on you, Hence why your car has a Flywheel before the Transmission. No Load, No Run.
Nice video of an awesome engine but why is the pitch on the prop going the wrong way?
Actually never paid attention to that... I only did the video, not working with the Engine. Good question however.
@@sparkie951 the only reason i can think of is that he did not want it blowing at himself while running the engine. I am sure the engine is never run for very long to over heat it.
WOW! Question... In the video you can see what looks like a flame shooting out from something on the right side of the engine... It doesn't look like it's coming from where it should be... Explanation?
You are exactly correct... A piece of trash got into the carburetor mixture which resulted in the Back Firing of the engine.... The Flames you saw are from the Carb mounted on the back of the engine.
AHA! I didn't think it was supposed to be doing that... Thanks for answering my question! :)
Samuel Bitner
It is not supposed to do that.... He fixed it after the event.. Had to pull the carb apart...
I may take you up on that! Question: Does it use an electric starter? I've noticed that the prop on an R2800 turns as it's starting, whereas some other radials (such as the FW190) make a growling noise, followed by a quick, high pitched whirl, then the engine coughs to life. I think that's an inertia starter, but I'm not sure.
how much torque that engine? somebody tell me I wanna know cuz
i love it
4000- to five thousand at 2700 rpm, and it varies with altitude and options as turbo and mw50. The last models were 3400hp probably at higher speed so torque falls off due to the equation
Wow
Hi John,
Nice job. I bought a 2028-21 in the Netherlands. I miss some parts also the carburetor. Do you know where I can buy this?
Thank you.
Blakey Engine Service.
If you could get the prop out of feather, it would do a better job of cooling the cylinders.
Yes... But regretfully the engine was destroyed by another driver in an accident. Total loss!
@@sparkie951Sorry to hear that.
LOL, I know what you mean. If you would like, I can send the engine sound to you in MP3.
Probably a Bearcat!
I have run up many a R2800, this thing sounds unhealthy. An airworthy R2800 at full power will blur your vision, and make the sand dance.
Hi John, this is Won. this is lovely engine I was looking for. Have intention to sell this?
send me an email. bluemosk1502@gmail.com.Thx
LOL... It was not mine.... and it had a bad ending... A few years ago it was rear ended, and totaled.
it should be turned off by lean mixture not by rich- rise rpm and lean mixture and when it start to stall put full throttle and it will stop very soon with no flame and bangs
Sorry I mean P&W 2800-21
. This engine needs a top end overhaul. A pilot would not fly with this engine..
Poor 2800 crying out for help at the end.... mixture abuse!!!
It was not known at the time, but the carburetor had a piece of something in the Carburetor that prevented it from Shutting down correctly. that was not the usual way it worked.... However, due to an incident with an Elderly lady rear ending it, it was unable to be repaired.
Where's the fuel tank...coz that DW must Guzzle 100octane like Nobody's business!
It is located on the Trailer under the engine.. Holds between 25 and 50 gallons... Not sure how much he burnt!
question, but will it fit into my ford?
Only this is real sound......
This was on A Static Stand and a running display.. No sounds were substituted.
I think your timing is off
shit timing......... fucking fireworks...god damn fireworks man trying to fuck up your day
It was not a timing issue.... It turned out to be a carburetor issue. Three was a piece of trash in there even though you would have thought it would have blown it out. A rebuild of the carb fixed the issue.
The blades pitch looks like they should be at ultra-fine rather than inflight feathered🙄
You need a cage around the moving props…….
LOL... Without the cage it is easier to get rid of idiots! :)
If a living person is dumb enough to get near it when it's singing they deserve what the outcome is going to be. It would be sad thou to waa a great machine on a idiot😂
You need more smoke
Weird, I lost all interest in my airplane engines as soon as I got them home. Still sitting where I parked them in my shop, and I have 4 of them... lost interest in the airframes too. I found a better way to fly that doesn't require me being in any cockpit.... and after that, i never looked back.
Turn the F*ing engine OFF and THEN speak to the camera!
Thank you for your work