How to get into Dillinger, at least in my experience: 1) Listen to a song, and hate it 2) A while later, realize you have a little bit of that song stuck in your head, so you go back and listen to it 3) repeat steps 1 and 2 until you realize you like everything you're hearing and are a fan
In my experience: 1) listen and hate 2) go to a live show 3) go back and revisit the songs they played live 4) realize the band is amazing 5) love the band forever.
My experience was like that: 1) me having 56k dial up connection 2) regret downloading %43 burnt 3) because of slow internet connection, listening %43 burnt at least 20 more times before downloading a new song 4) falling in love with tdep
Holy shiiiieeeeet, George offering a deep breakdown of what Dillinger and this song are about after only a few minutes of listening and reading. What a brain on that dude.
Lol i figured you'd guys wouldn't dig it but you got the true essenceof the band, but try "One of us is a killer" or "Milk Lizard" for more "digestible" dillinger music
I saw them supporting Mastodon maybe 7 years back having only heard Milk Lizard. They opened their set with (I think) Panasonic Youth and it just broke my mind.
Dillinger Escape Plan is organised chaos. It's musical pandemonium with insane amounts of power. Plus they have a very, very, diverse collection of songs. Even for long time fans, it's baffling that "43% burnt" and "one of us is the killer" are from the same band. Also watch live videos of them, to proper understand what I meant by "musical pandemonium".
43% Burnt Mouth of Ghosts I wouldn't if you didn't *#.. Unretrofied Party Smasher One of us is the Killer Widower Milk Lizard Dissociation There's more, but this is all the same band. I dropped my jaw through the floor when I heard mouth of ghosts the first time. I found ire works on youtube, went in without knowing the album and just let it play.
Sup George and Ryan, Yo thanks for Checking out Dillinger. I thought this would be a bit jarring for you guys. This band is definitely one that needs a second chance. Dillinger is more of a “musician’s” type band. Extremely technical and makes a ton more sense to other musicians. Some more easier listening songs are: Milk Lizard, Black Bubblegum, One of us is the killer, and setting fire to sleeping giants. I’m glad you started with Farewell, Mona Lisa because it is a great interpretation of the majority of how Dillinger sounds like. The other songs listed above would accommodate your ears better in my opinion. They need a second chance!! P.S. New Noise by the band Refused. It will make your playlist
It really isn't a "musician's" type band. They write chaotically but not "musically." Now this can go down a whole pedantic road of "music can not be defined" but there is some cogency to a real musician's piece of music. Look at Snarky Puppy. Their music is very chaotic and jarring in some ways but they always maintain a coherent structure from one crazy time signature/key to the next. If you want to look at metal look at Plini. Their music is very jarring to someone who isn't used to time change but they maintain the actual sense that they thought about it beforehand and wrote it. Gojira is heavier than DEP but also has the maturity and musicality to actually string a memorable song together. DEP is insane and edgy for sure and is fine for people looking for a bit of edge but throwing in time sig changes and being jarring doesn't make them "for musicians."
I kept seeing Dillinger suggested and cringed because they’re NOT an easy band to listen to. They’re incredible, but it takes time for most. You guys gave it a legitimate listen though. Thanks for being so open-minded, as always.
To be fair, whoever voted for Farewell Mona Lisa as their first song was silly. 43% Burnt shouldve been #1 due to that breakdown is LEGENDARY and these guys love grooves.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets that feeling when I see these reaction requests. It seems a lot of requesters want these channels to get into the super heavy stuff right away, and that's just not the way I got into it. It takes time, especially DEP. First time hearing them I didn't think I'd listen again, and here I am. This song is one of my favs now.
Whoever recommended this really threw you into the deep end lol. If you ever give this band another shot try “Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants” “Milk Lizard” or most definitely “One of Us is the Killer” as these are great tracks that are more digestible to new listeners
for me best DEP song is Paranoia Shields. Damn hot song. It's more straight-forward than usual for DEP, but god the energy of this song is unreal, intruments and drumming just top notch, and chorus is amazing.
Holy shit! You guys checked them out! I'm telling you this band is one of a kind!!! They put on the best damn show period! Long live The Dillinger Escape Plan!
You should listen to milk lizard now that you've heard their best crazy shit. That shit is catchy and waaaayyy more "listenable" especially if you're not used to dillinger. I think of dillinger as more of an attitude than anything.
@@cryptoboner2181 that's awesome. I saw them at a club in Richmond and my hand was on the stage laying flat and Greg stomped my hand on purpose breaking my thumb. I know he did it cause I ripped his shirt going for the mic. Hard to be mad at your heros.
@@joemommasvids why the hell do you think you have the right to go for the mic and rip someone's shirt, guarantee no one is at the gig to hear you, got what you deserved
@@nemesis8626 oh I totally agree, I'm not mad at Greg at all. It's one of the coolest things to happen to me. This is my favorite band and I just couldn't contain myself at the end of Mona Lisa, Smile. I guarantee he would rather have his fans that enthusiastic over their show over his v neck. Watch some of their live footage to understand.
This is definitely too much for George and Ryan. The Metaphor of abstract art is pretty accurate. You definitely have to be eased in the TDEP and it’s a tough listen if you’re not used to this style of music.
I feel like I didn't have a hard time getting into TDEP. But I was already listening to grindcore and technical death metal so it wasn't a huge shock for me.
Victor Garcia and for other Dillinger fans. Have you heard Frontierer? Seems like they are trying for a similar vibe, but pushed even farther in terms of heaviness and abrasiveness.
@@camhorejs Checking it out now. Pretty sick. So far it's all been metal/hardcore/grindcore, whereas Dillinger branches out of that milieu quite often. I'll be curious to see if their records include forays into jazz, prog rock, electronica like DEP does.
I think the people who like this song are people who have been listening to heavy music for years and years, and have heard all the normal kinds of rhythms and change-ups. We come to songs like this because it is so chaotic and unexpected; even after years of listening to this, a lot of the beats and patterns still elude me a lot of the time, which makes every time kinda like the first time. Once you get past the chaos though, this delivers a lot of the same intensity and frantic energy that we all love about metal music. I always used to think about some of these tough, crazy, satan-worshipping type of metal bands that still play in 4/4, and still play in a key... like, how crazy can you really be if you're just following all these rules? This song, and this band in general, really try to give us something unique in that regard. The other element that I think draws people to music like this is the math. The beats seem like total chaos, but it's actually just really elaborate and complex patterns, and once you 'get them', it feels good in your brain, kinda like solving a puzzle.
@NoiseFeedMusic "The other element that I think draws people to music like this is the math. The beats seem like total chaos, but it's actually just really elaborate and complex patterns, and once you 'get them', it feels good in your brain, kinda like solving a puzzle." This is prog in a nutshell. Most people playing this "chaos" have actually completely calculated what is being played. There are some riffs in 3/4 that get filler here and there to catch up to the drums/bass, along some other tricks. It always takes a few listens to understand crazy guitar patterns. I've been a Between the Buried and Me fan for years and I still find new things in their songs to this day. It's a wild genre that demands your attention.
To answer your question about what I see in this song and why I think it is good, I grew up mostly listening to metal / classical music and after a certain point you get tired of hearing the same formulaic music which brought me to prog metal and this. Part of what really sold it was that I couldn't figure out what was coming next even with music theory knowledge on my belt. Maybe some people don't like guessing what is going to happen and just put music on as background noise, which is cool. But I like being surprised more so. I can't really recommend a path to listening since we kinda threw you guys head first into traffic, but I think one day yall could come back and listen to it as if it was your first time.
By Principle exactly why I left metal for progressive and hardcore. Everyone was doing the same generic thing with metal. I’ll still cherish the bands I listened to back in the day but this just feels like a band putting an actual effort in instead of being the same old boring crap. ✌🏻🤘🏻
Thank you for this review!! One of my favorite songs. This song is great because they start off breaking the mold, and as soon as they re-enter the mold with the "formula", you both enjoyed the song. I think they were trying to bring attention to what you guys were saying through the entirety of the song.
Brilliant breakdown by George of not only the song but the band itself. "Break all rules" is exactly what Ben was going for when he started the band. He basically took every rule music theory had to offer and purposefully broke it to create this aggressive, uncomfortable, uneasy sound for all the reasons stated in the video. Good job for getting it with just one song. And, Ryan, no, you wouldn't like the song if its parts were in different order. You just didn't like it. It's ok, you can say it, no one will kill you. If someday you would like to give them another chance try Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants.
Not to nitpick on an overall great comment, but I hate it when people refer to music theory as a set of rules. Music theory is to music what alphabets and grammar are to language, just a way to explain things. Yes, there are tools in music theory that might be based on patterns (such as functional harmony, the circle of fifths and key signatures in general) but any music theorist would know not to apply these tools to music such as this and would instead analyse it in a more liberal or abstract way. Sorry again for nitpicking. I'd like to see them check out a more conventional song, maybe something from One Of Us Is the Killer...
@@ljijljijljijl I specifically remember one of the band members saying in an interview that they learned how to play their instruments and then threw all of what they learned out the window so they could creatively express themselves through their own unique sound.
Dillinger has made so much, melodic, chaotic, trust me when I say that one song isn't enough to understand them. You gotta truly hear them out. They are brilliant.
If you give them a second chance, definitely "One of Us is the Killer", that one will be a lot more digestible and enjoyable for you. Or if you want to go in the other direction and hear just how destructive they can get, "Limerent Death", which contains one of the dirtiest and most intense sections I've ever heard in a song.
"I gave you everything you wanted, you were everything to me..." And ya seeing them for their final show is the most insane concert I've ever experienced let alone seen.
I'm so excited that this comment is fairly close to the top. I've been recommending EW and Sleep since they first started reviewing metal. They're so close haha
Funeralopolis is my go to when I get my grubby paws on an aux in a vehicle with woofers always blows bass heads away. Or dopesmoker if a fat blunt is going around.
I think George really got it. This is a big song for them, but it's a concept-driven song directed at their fans who just wanted them to keep making songs that sound like their first couple of albums (which were also really innovative and pushing boundaries). They're a band that continued to innovate and weren't afraid of trying new things, and I think this song really captures the essence of that - but because of that is also a terrible first introduction to the band. Personally I think the best song for them to listen to would have been Milk Lizard as it still captures the essence of DEP, with off time signatures and a clear jazz influence coming through, but in a way that's far more palatable to someone who's not spent the time tuning their ear to this. I've seen Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants being suggested in the comments a lot too, and while I think they'd definitely like that song, being DEP's most formulaic/radio friendly song I don't think it's a great example of what the band is though (despite being a great song in its own right). Same goes (to a lesser degree) for One of Us Is the Killer, but George & Ryan - if you're reading this, give those songs a listen on or off video; I'm pretty sure you'll actually like them.
I’m proud of you dudes giving Dillinger Escape Plan a test run, they’re a rough listen even for an experienced technical prog-metal fan and musician like myself! I remember ever liking only one song from them back in the day called 43% Burnt because it has a sick ass breakdown at the end that’s heavy as shit and you just wanna bang your head to it, but the rest of the song is like on ritalin or something. Felt too much like a creepy fun house which is their signature sound, and it’s not for me. I like my prog-tech with more emotion and a variety of them, unless you’re Meshuggah who can bring the ruckus and grooves.
I've been recommending Cult of Luna's "In Awe Of" for some time. They're atmosphere sludge metal and a lot of their songs build beautifully. I wish you all would give that song a chance
You guys actually touched on the main reason I like bands like Dillinger. There is so much consonant, sonorous, easily digestible music. Dillinger is like extremely spicy food, or cask strength bourbon. The noise and the "hard-to-get-a-foothold-ness" of it is a lot of the draw for me. Replay value is generated from something being so dense with noise that it takes multiple listens to unpack.
@@rodrigopalomino322 It depends what you mean. If you want similar *sonic* content, you might look at my pal BlipVert, or Squarepusher. If you like similar treatment of metal, Between the Buried and Me, Kayo Dot, Maudlin of the Well, stuff like that. But you know what they say: often imitated, never replicated.
@@rodrigopalomino322 ion dissonance, into the moat, from a second story window, psyopus, behold the arctopus, botch, norma jean, converge, dead guy, every time I die, look up mathcore. but no one will really compete with dilinger. ion dissonance is like a waaaaaaay heavier dilinger. botch is before dilinger so is converge. norma jean is botch 2.0 dead guy is before dilinger too. everytime i die is around the same time. psyopus is dilinger on crack. behold the arctopus is psyopus without vocals. enjoy
I knew this was going to be this way. Dillinger has some wide ranges and for sure have ones you would like, but I think this is a band you shouldn't feel bad about having odd feelings
Oh, definitely. It's GREAT that you gave it an honest shot, and nobody's going to harass you for not loving it. They really did something pure and honest, and never expected anyone to like it.
That first pause was SO damn funny. The look between you said everything!. The hope you had before you heard it then after. comedy! All the metalheads knew what was coming. We were all smiling knowing what was about to come! They call this math metal, it has crazy time signatures on purpose. insane amount of talent to do so however.
Josh Tolbert lmao for real! Like I already felt I knew how they would react but that had me dying as well. Props to them for at least giving it a go though!
Dillinger has always tried to push boundaries, not only with their music which sounds super chaotic and dissonant in many of their songs, but also with their live performances which were just absolutely insane. They would breathe fire, destroy their equipment, climb and jump off parts of the stage, which often enough led to injuries. Anyway, not all of their songs are as off-kilter as this one. Like some other comments say, they also have more digestible songs that are more melodic/formulaic, but still have that Dillinger flavor. If you guys are at all interested in giving them another shot, try "One of us is the killer", "Black Bubblegum", "Setting fire to sleeping giants" or "Milk Lizard". Alsooooo, there's a supergroup called Killer Be Killed that has Troy from Mastodon, Greg (vocals) from Dillinger and Max Cavalera from Sepultura. You guys might really like their song "Wings of feather and wax", it's a banger.
This is very fair analysis. It's interesting to see a fresh reaction to DEP, but I would not have introduced this song for a first time listener. 'Room Full Of Eyes' on this album is a pretty groovy one.
The singer has a side project called “The Black Queen” and it’s neat to see how 80s, dance influenced the music is. Definitely some Nine Inch Nails drum sounds in there
Mr Bungle "Travolta" or "None of them knew they were robots" hell why not "Desert Search For Techno Allah" Singer Mike Patton's High school band. Help me out Free Thinkers. Sincerly A.
I do know man that Patton did the "Irony is a dead scene" (EP) of course and acknowledge Greg Puciato is the singer in The Dillinger Escape Plan. Miscommunication"°○□□••••~~`°°`•○○¤☆●○▪
A great song from them that builds from slow to intense is The Widower, I have played this song for many people to introduce them to the band. Much of the band's appeal to me is how much it reminds me of free-form jazz's "formula".
I actually think you guys would enjoy "Milk Lizard", "Black Bubblegum", or "Symptoms of a Terminal Illness". This is definitely one of their crazier ones and not a great first listen, but it's awesome that you guys were able to see the intention. The lead singer of this band is also in a supergroup with members of Mastodon and Sepultura.. they're called "Killer Be Killed" and the album they released is a ton of fun to listen to. I'd recommend "Melting of My Marrow" or "Dust into Darkness"
Your best reaction so far for me personally. These guys are technician's in their own right and I agree where others have said they can be a hard listen. Ryan's opinion is one I've never thought of with these guys after 15 years of listening to them . Thank you!!!!
Saw these guys in Houston with a friend. They come out and don’t say “hi” or “screw you” or anything. They just melt your face off clean at the neck for. 90 minutes and walk off the stage! Wasn’t my “type” of music but I had to respek their gangster.... It’s metal for mathematicians.
M4RCi92 I wonder what they would think of converge songs like Concubine or Dark Horse, or Under duress. Converge is a band I LOVE, but I’ve never been able to get any friends or family into
@@camhorejs They wouldn't get into it, just like they didn't get into TDEP. These bands' are way too abrasive and raw. I remember when I first checked out a Converge song, it was No Heroes. It was like being shot in the ear. I needed a few tries with some "softer" songs to be able to get into them. But ever since, they're my #1 favorite band. Personally, when I want to show Converge to someone, I start with Aimless Arrow, Grim Heart / Black Rose, All We Love We Leave Behind, First Light + Last Light or Sadness Comes Home. They're easier to get than, say Axe to Fall or Heartless.
Everyone saying they should try more approachable songs like "one of us is the killer": they might like it but for me those songs don't really define what dillinger is about. I'm glad they went with farewell, mona lisa even if they don't like it. Again, they might like a song that follows more common patterns but what's the point when 95% of dillinger's songs are not like that?
I agree 100%. This was one of the best songs to introduce them to the band. While One of Us...is a good enough song. It most certainly not, IMO, what DEP represents, even today, in their music. Hell, there are at least 2-3 other songs on Option Paralysis that would be great for still getting true representation of the band and are easier to listen to (Chinese Whispers, Widower, and even Gold Teeth on a Bum). I do not agree at all with trying to ease them into DEP with their more pop-y songs. But I could be in the minority on that.
I think you have to follow a path that makes sense to get to really enjoy the abstract stuff. So while "one of use is the killer" isn't a typical dillinger song, it has pieces that are typical while bridging that with an approachable structure. That when when you get to the deep cuts, you at least have some point of reference.
ThatOneEwokThatDied their last three albums are a lot more palatable than their early work and help get people into their early work. Nothing wrong with that
Thank you! I've been requesting into eternity for over a year now. I'd like to see them do something a little older that avoids the screeching stew vocal. Splintered visions would be a great choice or spiraling into depression
@Synner Dethshayde yes!! One of my all-time favorite albums! "Beginning of the end" would also be a great choice! I can see them bobbing their heads to that song. The whole album is amazing
Rad, so pumped you guys are giving this one a listen. I think you nailed the analysis of the title as it matches the tone of the song, and it's super cool that you're trying to give it the benefit of the doubt. This is one of my favorite albums of all time, so here are some things I've thought about listening to this song a million times: First, the title of the record is Option Paralysis, and it came out in 2010. That's 4 years after Facebook opened to the public, 3 years after the iPhone, 2 years after the App Store...The whole theme of the record is having so many options for entertainment and social media that people just zonk out--that's why this song starts with that chaos, because to make their point, they have to hit you with this barrage of flailing rhythms and discordant melodies before introducing you to any semblance of the familiar with that slow groove. And that groove is real dark, illustrating the state of mind of someone who is trying to make their way through this world and failing. After that groove, you get a big build where the vocalist, on behalf of the first generations who grew up with the internet, starts asking previous generations, "What did you expect, that we would never leave home? That we would NEVER leave?" The question gets more and more intense until the beat drops. During this new heavy groove, he says, "What did you expect from us? We're murderers--murderers and liars and rapists and thieves." This is the climactic moment in the song for me--it's Sauron taking the battlefield with the One Ring at the beginning of Fellowship Of The Ring. With that line, the singer indicts the new generations for some of the most common uses of the internet: violent games, internet trolling, porn, and piracy. We're murderers because we've all beat people to death with a bat in Grand Theft Auto; we're liars because we've all pretended to be somebody we're not and said things we don't believe, we're rapists because we've all had sexual encounters with pornstars who never consented to us, and we're thieves because we've all streamed movies illegally, or if you're older, you stole music on Napster or LimeWire. And now that we're getting older and making the world our own, there's no putting that genie back in the bottle. Super intense stuff, and I don't necessarily think everything is all as bad as Dillinger makes it sound, but the rest of the album has a lot of these meditations. One song called Room Full Of Eyes has a great line that I'll leave it at: "There is nowhere to hide in a room so full of eyes." Thanks again for taking the time to check these guys out. They're definitely out there, and abstract art isn't a bad way to describe them. Just wanted to throw this out there, because these guys were on the ball before a lot of other people about the big issues of our time.
George's comments on this reflect not just this song but this bands stated purpose. There are more palatable songs but I think this one is a good example of their range. Other things to try, Botch, Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza, Car bomb, Frontierer. Also give Converge a shot for another genre G.O.A.T.
Songs like this are slow burn songs. You need to get comfortable with the chaos and the shock of it all first. Then you can find the groove, which is hidden in there.
Second chance: The Dillinger Escape Plan - Widower I absolutely love this song for many reasons, but I 100% stand by the fact that Widower should have been the first introduction and it should definitely be the second chance. Skip One Of Us Is The Killer, too radio friendly without a lot to digest. If you guys like Widower, then definitely check out Milk Lizard
Hi guys ! At the beginning - I am big fan of yours ! TDEP is my favourite band and I'm glad You finally found out about them. The thing is... TDEP is pretty hardcore :D Even most metalheads don't quite get into them. The comparison to abstract art that You mentioned is perfect. Phenomenal skills of the band, jazz influences, rhythm breaking, riff complexity, hardcore screams - the level of their "accessibility" is very low to be honest.... Also Farewell, Mona Lisa is a song that shows their enitre scope of skills BUT definately not to start with (or You will love it -(probably ~1% population) or take it as unbearable noise (remaining ~99%) and never get back to them again). If You will ever have a will to get back to them - Black Bubblegum, Milk Lizard, One of us is the Killer are one of their most accesible songs - most of the rest ,as my wife describes is just "Turn off that f*kn noise" type :D Still, much love and respect ! Waiting for Your other videos
Ire Works is still on rotation, the wife likes it even though she doesnt know it yet! I dig TDEP but I had a hard time acquiring the taste. Botch is one I still cant get into much for the same reasons you described, honestly that sound to me is cringy. TDEP has such a wide array of depth and range that I came to appreciate, however I still have to be in the right place for it.
@@tizoned1 Agree - the thing with TDEP is they range goes from "Widower" to "Lurch" or "43%" - they are (sorry - were) capable of playing whatever they imagined. To me this is the essence of art and I'm glad guys noticed that. TDEP music is very layered and it may overwhelm at the beginning. Cheers !
When you guys paused and just looked at each other!😂😂😂😂 Better than the whole video. Abstract chaotic display!!!!!LMAO. You tried.❤️Please keep it up! Huge fan!
This was pretty much one of the best songs to hit first. It's one of the best showcases for their many styles all wrapped up in a single package. I'm glad you didn't start with one of their more "listenable" songs and work into this, as they are not in the same league. Both styles are good, I enjoy their more palatable songs too, but this really checks many of their artistic style boxes and gets close to the peaks and valleys of each substyle they incorporate into their songs (aggressive, SUPER aggressive, melodic, jazz, etc) and is one of my favorites of theirs. If you are interested in dialing it back with DEP (which I selfishly recommend), there are 2 other songs on this album alone that are fantastic intros for the band (Chinese Whispers & Widower). Phone Home, Milk Lizard, & Gold Tooth on a Bum are also good next stops on your journey, should you ever do a 2nd chance for DEP. Regardless, idk if you are still reading, or if at all, but I always enjoy your candid reactions and initial takes on the meanings of the songs. You guys are great.Thanks a ton.
At some point this is bound to happen... but man i wish we could do concealing fate instead. concealing fate >>>> of matter... might be too long though for a reaction
George and Ryan, thanks for what you do. I appreciate it, and find it inspiring. I enjoy chaotic stuff like this sometimes because it's unpredictable, like every moment and every choice they make as musicians invites some sort of analysis. You guys like grooves it seems, and I do too, but when you have odd or inconsistent time signatures it makes me count it and analyze what makes it different from straight 4/4 or 3/4 or whatever, and it makes music like a puzzle and a thing to get out of the box and examine, being surprised by little moments of insight. Its almost not the sound that feels good, but the journey of finding patterns and order in the chaos.
The talent of the singer, the dynamics of their music and how they can go from total insanity to being soothing and melodic, and the fact that they break all the rules when writing music are all reasons why Dillinger is one of my favorite bands. Milk Lizard is definitely an easier song by them to get into if you guys decide to give them another listen.
Hey really glad you guys gave them a chance, you don't have to react to these songs of theirs, but I'd recommend checking out "One of Us Is the Killer" or "Mouth of Ghosts". I'm sure you guys would enjoy those and it might let yall question "what's really going on here?".
I was not a fan of Dilinger Escape Plan when i first heard them too. I thought it was overwhelming as hell. Then i heard the song “Limerent Death” and everything changed for me. Once i started with that songs and then “One of us is a killer”, i started to understand who they are and how they work. You cant start from the top when it comes to Dilinger Escape Plan, its like buying a a used game that already has a saved game from the last person and they have everything unlocked and theres only hard bosses, youre lost as hell and dont know what is going on. Its overwhelming. I suggest you start with Limerent Death, you wont regret it. 2ND CHANCE GUYS, LIMERENT DEATH
@@mythosspecialist1352 43%, Sunshine, Calculating, Prancer etc would be top, but Farewell, Mona Lisa is ,in my opinion, full scope of TDEP character - problem is... it hits You really hard with chaotic beginning - then it stabilizes :D
I love this song and band because of two reasons. The sheer visceral nature of The Dillinger Escape Plan is something to behold, but there is so much underneath the surface. Listening to them is like solving a puzzle: at first it seems disorganised, but after a few listens, all the pieces fit. All their songs are very well structured with very recognizable patterns and even catchy melodies within the chaotic instrumental framework.
The Dillinger Escape Plan are something what I would call 'highest level' listening for any of the uninitiated. Along with bands like Converge, Ephel Duath, etc, they perform and create some of the most complex and visceral compositions with multiple time signatures and tempos, which may sound all over the place for those who are just getting in to heavier music. Though some of the members are actually classically trained jazz musicians, so there is most definitely a huge jazz influence - particularly in their earlier material from albums like Calculating Infinity, and Miss Machine. Though over the years they have incorporated and blended other genre influences from industrial, electronica, alternative rock, etc. But ultimately - they have always considered themselves a 'hardcore punk' band at the very core, as that is where they really flourished from to some degree. Though I think you would actually find some hardcore punk bands a lot more accessible, enjoyable and interesting, and most certainly a genre of music you have not covered yet! Certain bands being Hatebreed, Sick Of It All, Comeback Kid, Madball, Incendiary, Bad Brains, etc. Most definitely would love to see you check out some bands from that genre! But I digress, other Dillinger tracks I think you may find tons more easier to digest are 'Milk Lizard', 'Setting Fire To Sleeping Giants', and 'One Of Us Is The Killer'. In the meantime, keep on being you - and keep on being a free thinker! It's awesome :)
Only thing is that hardcore doesnt fill the comment section and doesnt get the likes. Its my personal fav when it comes to genre. Ive suggested etid and bad brains for nearly 2 years. I still think they would love etid because of the southern sludge and rock elements to the bands fast paced hardcore music. Bad brains is just my all time favorite hardcore band.
Absofuckinglutely! Seen them twice and they're absolutely amazing! I think I was in the top 3% of listeners of them on Spotify in 2017. 😆 They really are a go to band for me. It's hard though to pick a song. Most of their CDs the first and second songs usually go together so well!
Super excited! I've been waiting for this for a long time and am glad you gave it a chance. Keep up the amazing work. I do agree with another comment that if you're ever willing to give them a second chance, Widower is a great choice.
This definitely caught me by surprise, I would have never of guessed y'all would be listening to Dillanger. Y'all hit it right with chaotic art and a chaotically expressive band, I would have had y'all listen to "One of Us is the Killer", "Milk Lizard" or "Limerant Death" as intro. I'm glad y'all dove into it though. Cheers! I love the channel.
Dude's do Vektor Chagring the void/Recharaging the void. I've made this comment several times. It's never gotten any likes because it's a smaller band people don't know about too much. I don't expect it to be the next video you release but put it on your list of thing to consider. Love you guys regardless though. Your reactions are great, I enjoy seeing what stuff you dislike and what stuff you love in every genre.
Outside of the lyrics you already mentioned, I love this song because of the dynamics. It perfectly encapsulates Dillinger's different sounds: crazy, off kilter, chaotic musicianship that threatens to fall apart but never quite does, paired it with their ear for groove, melody, and rhythm in the quieter parts. Dillinger is some of the most challenging music I've ever heard, and it took me a bit to warm up to them and figure out what they were doing. But now I absolutely adore the pure power of those chaotic intro parts like in this song, when I listen to their music I feel catharsis and almost like I could walk through a brick wall if I wanted to. I'm so glad you guys went into this song with an open mind and were able to appreciate it for its artistic value, even if its not something you'd enjoy normally, because a lot of people write these guys off immediately because of the harshness of their sound.
I've been constantly requesting Diablo Swing Orchestra "Voodoo Mon Amour" (& I still want to see that) but for some reason after watching this I want you guys to react to Portal's video for "Curtain".
guys, this is one of the craziest bands on the planet, they, in a way, re-defined the way to play heavy music and influenced so many other bands, so obviously it's not for everyone (heck man, even my first encounter with them wasn't an easy ride to say the least). I love them beyond anything, they're one of the most important bands for me, ever, but I totally get why you might not like this. Having said that, TDEP tried so many different things and sounds throughout their career, that there's no way you won't find a song you'd like, just keep looking ;) Nonetheless, it was very interesting to see your reaction to this song specifically, since it's one of my faves, also George's interpretation I think was pretty much on point (also what you said about this song was kinda TDEP's creed in general haha) cheers!
This is straight up one of the most fun channels on RUclips. Even when you guys don't like the song, you always have an interesting and thoughtful take on it and listen to it on its own terms, while still being opinionated and funny. Keep it up, you're really making something cool here.
The Dillinger Escape Plan are one of my favourite bands, but I totally understand how the abrasive, spastic, dissonant sound is not digestible for virgin ears. If you want a straightforward "musical" track from them, try One of Us Is the Killer. It sounds like a James Bond intro song. I'm sure you'd enjoy it!
Lost In Vegas aren't "virgin ears", they aren't your typical top 40 listening plebs. They're hip-hop heads. Notice how quickly they got into TDEP's lyrics and took them apart. They're just not metal fans bro.
@@Dyomaeth they kinda are. not 14-years old pop music lovers, but still they "eat" mostly straight-forward stuff. well I appreciate that George really get good drum moments in music at least
There are a few artists out there that I HATED for the longest time, then one day just "getting" it. Gojira was one of them. Dillinger is another. I have to be in the right frame of mind to listen and enjoy, but it's no longer just noise to me. Their live shows were INSANE. I agree with other commenters who said One of Us is A Killer is their most digestible song. It's almost normal. But ..you must do Hero of War by Rise Against.
When I first listened to Calculating Infinity, it made me feel pure anger. Like I needed to destroy something. I HATED the noises coming out of the speakers. But I also don't remember feeling that sort of emotion, so I stuck with it. I rarely revisit CI, but everything with Greg is constantly in my rotation. Seeing them live made it all come together, and I've been a huge fan ever since! No other band was like DEP.
To be fair i dont think blindfolds is the best song from them considering how much their sound changed after kezia. I think Skies would be a killer one for them
I started listening to dillinger again recently after a nasty break up, 'a symptom of terminal illness' and 'one of us is the killer' really hit home for me. Also see 'dead as history' keep up the honest review's guys :) loving the content
I started listening to prog around the age of 13 and steadily found my interest of experiencing music together and enjoy the teamwork coming from playing stuff. I learned playing drums around the same age and found old-timer songs that were fun to play with friends, but then I started getting more and more interested in breaking my limits and becoming better at what I was doing. While doing so I discovered several new bands and I mostly ventured through the prog style. I love the way some bands manage to pocket a groove that's in odd-time, but doesn't sound like it and I love how challenging it might be to play and love the storytelling-aspect that's about exploring different styles of songwriting instead of repeating a chorus 5 times. Not to say that I dislike anything within the normalized genres. All music is good - but prog always kept me at my toes wanting more, tingling and interested in understanding why they do what they do. Dillinger Escape Plan was a hard barrier for me to overcome. Everything sounded like noise and chaos for the sake of chaos, but then I started feeling the chaos and started enjoying the emotions that were put into sound. Dillinger Escape Plan have been one of my most favorite emotional storytellers through their sound and two of my favorite experiences at live shows. If fire could manifest out of energy and artistry on stage, The Dillinger Escape Plan shows would combust. Dillinger Escape Plan do have other songs that are "better" at framing grooves and pocketing more traditional styles, but their best tracks are the ones to break boundries - they're usually also the ones with most emotion too.
Ryan try “Widower” by TDEP if you want a song that starts as a piano ballad and creatively works up to chaos. It’s on the same album as “Farewell, Mona Lisa”.
The reason I love this band is all about that chaos. It just makes me feel at peace. Chris pennie is one of my favorite drummers of all time with his ability to play chaotic to laying down that groove. That being said it's a hard listen and definitely something that grew on me. Thanks for the video it gave me a smile!
You guys absolutely have to listen to “one of us is the killer” it keeps their creativity while still being accessible. This is definitely one of those bands that takes a while to get. I hated it for a long time until it clicked. But when it clicks, it clicks *hard*. There is really nothing like this out there and I love the sporadic nature. If you watch one of their live shows you’ll understand the energy that is so intoxicating for their fans it’s absolutely insane. But I get it this band is rough to swallow.
How to get into Dillinger, at least in my experience:
1) Listen to a song, and hate it
2) A while later, realize you have a little bit of that song stuck in your head, so you go back and listen to it
3) repeat steps 1 and 2 until you realize you like everything you're hearing and are a fan
Thats how they become one of my favorite bands
In my experience:
1) listen and hate
2) go to a live show
3) go back and revisit the songs they played live
4) realize the band is amazing
5) love the band forever.
My experience was like that:
1) me having 56k dial up connection
2) regret downloading %43 burnt
3) because of slow internet connection, listening %43 burnt at least 20 more times before downloading a new song
4) falling in love with tdep
seems about right
Accurate
Holy shiiiieeeeet, George offering a deep breakdown of what Dillinger and this song are about after only a few minutes of listening and reading. What a brain on that dude.
verstamp Right!? I was utterly impressed by how he got that immediately.
Dude, for real... Ridiculous
They make research before hand so they look smart
@@soullessSiIence Watch their reaction to Black Thought's freestyle and you'll see how smart they really are. It's astonishing.
Now that's a smart guy!
Lol i figured you'd guys wouldn't dig it but you got the true essenceof the band, but try "One of us is a killer" or "Milk Lizard" for more "digestible" dillinger music
Also black bubblegum
"One of us is a killer" Might actually be my favorite by them because i can listen to it in most moods.
@@lespaulgothstud great song
yeah, a lot of their songs would be too much for them both atm; 'setting fire to sleeping giants' would be another good palatable song for them.
I saw them supporting Mastodon maybe 7 years back having only heard Milk Lizard. They opened their set with (I think) Panasonic Youth and it just broke my mind.
Dillinger Escape Plan is organised chaos.
It's musical pandemonium with insane amounts of power.
Plus they have a very, very, diverse collection of songs.
Even for long time fans, it's baffling that "43% burnt" and "one of us is the killer" are from the same band.
Also watch live videos of them, to proper understand what I meant by "musical pandemonium".
43% Burnt
Mouth of Ghosts
I wouldn't if you didn't
*#..
Unretrofied
Party Smasher
One of us is the Killer
Widower
Milk Lizard
Dissociation
There's more, but this is all the same band. I dropped my jaw through the floor when I heard mouth of ghosts the first time. I found ire works on youtube, went in without knowing the album and just let it play.
You had to play basment shows during the Dimitri Years to really get it 😉
@@Mromfgtrololol 43% Burnt is my test song for chicks who say they LOVE ALL MUSIC!
Sup George and Ryan, Yo thanks for Checking out Dillinger. I thought this would be a bit jarring for you guys. This band is definitely one that needs a second chance. Dillinger is more of a “musician’s” type band. Extremely technical and makes a ton more sense to other musicians. Some more easier listening songs are: Milk Lizard, Black Bubblegum, One of us is the killer, and setting fire to sleeping giants. I’m glad you started with Farewell, Mona Lisa because it is a great interpretation of the majority of how Dillinger sounds like. The other songs listed above would accommodate your ears better in my opinion. They need a second chance!!
P.S. New Noise by the band Refused. It will make your playlist
Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants would have been a much better suggestion for a first song by this band.
It really isn't a "musician's" type band. They write chaotically but not "musically." Now this can go down a whole pedantic road of "music can not be defined" but there is some cogency to a real musician's piece of music. Look at Snarky Puppy. Their music is very chaotic and jarring in some ways but they always maintain a coherent structure from one crazy time signature/key to the next. If you want to look at metal look at Plini. Their music is very jarring to someone who isn't used to time change but they maintain the actual sense that they thought about it beforehand and wrote it. Gojira is heavier than DEP but also has the maturity and musicality to actually string a memorable song together.
DEP is insane and edgy for sure and is fine for people looking for a bit of edge but throwing in time sig changes and being jarring doesn't make them "for musicians."
@@TastyChevelle sorry but DEP style and Mathcore origins does fit with the musician's band moto, your explanations is just dancing around it.
@@TastyChevelle I think what you mean is that it's not traditional.
@@HFGAN-1981 You didn't have much to say because you don't know what you're talking about.
I kept seeing Dillinger suggested and cringed because they’re NOT an easy band to listen to. They’re incredible, but it takes time for most. You guys gave it a legitimate listen though. Thanks for being so open-minded, as always.
Jen G. Should have got them to listen to the cry me a river cover haha
I feel you on the cringe. One of my fave bands, haven't been able to watch this video yet. Lol
Echo to that))))))
To be fair, whoever voted for Farewell Mona Lisa as their first song was silly.
43% Burnt shouldve been #1 due to that breakdown is LEGENDARY and these guys love grooves.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets that feeling when I see these reaction requests. It seems a lot of requesters want these channels to get into the super heavy stuff right away, and that's just not the way I got into it. It takes time, especially DEP. First time hearing them I didn't think I'd listen again, and here I am. This song is one of my favs now.
Whoever recommended this really threw you into the deep end lol. If you ever give this band another shot try “Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants” “Milk Lizard” or most definitely “One of Us is the Killer” as these are great tracks that are more digestible to new listeners
for me best DEP song is Paranoia Shields. Damn hot song. It's more straight-forward than usual for DEP, but god the energy of this song is unreal, intruments and drumming just top notch, and chorus is amazing.
Setting Fire To Sleeping Giants would probably be a great one for them, it really builds up to the chaotic sections like Ryan wanted.
Thank you. Who would suggest this song to them? I think we kinda know what they're taste is by now. Disappointed
Devin Townsend Project - Deadhead (Live From Royal Albert Hall)
It is time boys. It is time.
every reaction video has done deadhead. lets go old school and strapping love.
literally already did it @@joshmakeshift
@Andrew Baker see abve
I was there!
They did kingdom I doubt they'll go back to Devin sadly
Rivers of Nihil - Where Owls Know My Name
duh, album of the year, they gots ta react to dis.
Amazing album. Nowhere near on their radar
Yaaassss
yeesss
YES IT MUST HAPPEN
Holy shit! You guys checked them out! I'm telling you this band is one of a kind!!! They put on the best damn show period! Long live The Dillinger Escape Plan!
You should listen to milk lizard now that you've heard their best crazy shit. That shit is catchy and waaaayyy more "listenable" especially if you're not used to dillinger. I think of dillinger as more of an attitude than anything.
Saw them on a calculating infinity tour with the locust, best live experience almost got hit by the mic in all
@@cryptoboner2181 that's awesome. I saw them at a club in Richmond and my hand was on the stage laying flat and Greg stomped my hand on purpose breaking my thumb. I know he did it cause I ripped his shirt going for the mic. Hard to be mad at your heros.
@@joemommasvids why the hell do you think you have the right to go for the mic and rip someone's shirt, guarantee no one is at the gig to hear you, got what you deserved
@@nemesis8626 oh I totally agree, I'm not mad at Greg at all. It's one of the coolest things to happen to me. This is my favorite band and I just couldn't contain myself at the end of Mona Lisa, Smile. I guarantee he would rather have his fans that enthusiastic over their show over his v neck. Watch some of their live footage to understand.
This is definitely too much for George and Ryan. The Metaphor of abstract art is pretty accurate. You definitely have to be eased in the TDEP and it’s a tough listen if you’re not used to this style of music.
yeah theyre pretty chaotic
I feel like I didn't have a hard time getting into TDEP. But I was already listening to grindcore and technical death metal so it wasn't a huge shock for me.
That was my experience. Def better to experience accessible shit first
Victor Garcia and for other Dillinger fans. Have you heard Frontierer? Seems like they are trying for a similar vibe, but pushed even farther in terms of heaviness and abrasiveness.
@@camhorejs Checking it out now. Pretty sick. So far it's all been metal/hardcore/grindcore, whereas Dillinger branches out of that milieu quite often. I'll be curious to see if their records include forays into jazz, prog rock, electronica like DEP does.
I think the people who like this song are people who have been listening to heavy music for years and years, and have heard all the normal kinds of rhythms and change-ups. We come to songs like this because it is so chaotic and unexpected; even after years of listening to this, a lot of the beats and patterns still elude me a lot of the time, which makes every time kinda like the first time. Once you get past the chaos though, this delivers a lot of the same intensity and frantic energy that we all love about metal music. I always used to think about some of these tough, crazy, satan-worshipping type of metal bands that still play in 4/4, and still play in a key... like, how crazy can you really be if you're just following all these rules? This song, and this band in general, really try to give us something unique in that regard.
The other element that I think draws people to music like this is the math. The beats seem like total chaos, but it's actually just really elaborate and complex patterns, and once you 'get them', it feels good in your brain, kinda like solving a puzzle.
Spot on
I would love to see them find the groove of a band like Converge
@NoiseFeedMusic "The other element that I think draws people to music like this is the math. The beats seem like total chaos, but it's actually just really elaborate and complex patterns, and once you 'get them', it feels good in your brain, kinda like solving a puzzle."
This is prog in a nutshell. Most people playing this "chaos" have actually completely calculated what is being played. There are some riffs in 3/4 that get filler here and there to catch up to the drums/bass, along some other tricks. It always takes a few listens to understand crazy guitar patterns. I've been a Between the Buried and Me fan for years and I still find new things in their songs to this day. It's a wild genre that demands your attention.
99.9% true
@@lustalgia... Dillinger has 1000000x better groove than Converge
To answer your question about what I see in this song and why I think it is good, I grew up mostly listening to metal / classical music and after a certain point you get tired of hearing the same formulaic music which brought me to prog metal and this. Part of what really sold it was that I couldn't figure out what was coming next even with music theory knowledge on my belt. Maybe some people don't like guessing what is going to happen and just put music on as background noise, which is cool. But I like being surprised more so.
I can't really recommend a path to listening since we kinda threw you guys head first into traffic, but I think one day yall could come back and listen to it as if it was your first time.
By Principle exactly why I left metal for progressive and hardcore. Everyone was doing the same generic thing with metal. I’ll still cherish the bands I listened to back in the day but this just feels like a band putting an actual effort in instead of being the same old boring crap. ✌🏻🤘🏻
Same here!
At the drive in “1 armed scissor”
I second that request
I third that request.
I decline this request.
Arcarsenal, Pattern Against User, Invalid Litter Department, Enfilade, or Quarantined first. >.>
Good request
@@SebbyPlaysMusic rascuache
Thank you for this review!! One of my favorite songs.
This song is great because they start off breaking the mold, and as soon as they re-enter the mold with the "formula", you both enjoyed the song. I think they were trying to bring attention to what you guys were saying through the entirety of the song.
Kyuss - Gardenia
Electric Wizard - Funeralopolis
Sleep - The Dragonaut
yes
All the yes to all of these
Ah Kyuss. Why haven't they done Kyuss? Funeralopolis is something they might dig too. The lyrics especially. I'd suggest some Yob too
I come from the future, they did Funeralopolis
1:05 - "I think we're prepared"
3:30 - Yeaaaaah
ruclips.net/video/p19QGLrIArw/видео.html "This is smart !!"
Brilliant breakdown by George of not only the song but the band itself. "Break all rules" is exactly what Ben was going for when he started the band. He basically took every rule music theory had to offer and purposefully broke it to create this aggressive, uncomfortable, uneasy sound for all the reasons stated in the video. Good job for getting it with just one song.
And, Ryan, no, you wouldn't like the song if its parts were in different order. You just didn't like it. It's ok, you can say it, no one will kill you. If someday you would like to give them another chance try Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants.
Not to nitpick on an overall great comment, but I hate it when people refer to music theory as a set of rules. Music theory is to music what alphabets and grammar are to language, just a way to explain things. Yes, there are tools in music theory that might be based on patterns (such as functional harmony, the circle of fifths and key signatures in general) but any music theorist would know not to apply these tools to music such as this and would instead analyse it in a more liberal or abstract way.
Sorry again for nitpicking. I'd like to see them check out a more conventional song, maybe something from One Of Us Is the Killer...
@@devonevison My bad. I tried to recall Ben's words from my memory and probably used wrong term.
@@ljijljijljijl I specifically remember one of the band members saying in an interview that they learned how to play their instruments and then threw all of what they learned out the window so they could creatively express themselves through their own unique sound.
And then there was Portal.
@@ljijljijljijl Literally everything you said was fine, I'm just defensive of music theory because it can sometimes be misunderstood haha
Give Nothing's Funny a shot, I think it's an excellent introduction to Dillinger!
Dillinger has made so much, melodic, chaotic, trust me when I say that one song isn't enough to understand them. You gotta truly hear them out. They are brilliant.
If you give them a second chance, definitely "One of Us is the Killer", that one will be a lot more digestible and enjoyable for you. Or if you want to go in the other direction and hear just how destructive they can get, "Limerent Death", which contains one of the dirtiest and most intense sections I've ever heard in a song.
kvltmart Limerent Death at their final show ever was one of the craziest things I’ve experienced live
"I gave you everything you wanted, you were everything to me..." And ya seeing them for their final show is the most insane concert I've ever experienced let alone seen.
Electric Wizard -- Funeralopolis or the Barbarian or Wizard in Black
Well yeah I've been pitching them Electric Wizard for months. They like doom and would love this, but still nothing from them.
Dopethrone and We Hate You are good too.
I'm so excited that this comment is fairly close to the top. I've been recommending EW and Sleep since they first started reviewing metal. They're so close haha
Legaliiiiize drugs and muuuuurder!!
Funeralopolis is my go to when I get my grubby paws on an aux in a vehicle with woofers always blows bass heads away. Or dopesmoker if a fat blunt is going around.
I think George really got it. This is a big song for them, but it's a concept-driven song directed at their fans who just wanted them to keep making songs that sound like their first couple of albums (which were also really innovative and pushing boundaries). They're a band that continued to innovate and weren't afraid of trying new things, and I think this song really captures the essence of that - but because of that is also a terrible first introduction to the band.
Personally I think the best song for them to listen to would have been Milk Lizard as it still captures the essence of DEP, with off time signatures and a clear jazz influence coming through, but in a way that's far more palatable to someone who's not spent the time tuning their ear to this. I've seen Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants being suggested in the comments a lot too, and while I think they'd definitely like that song, being DEP's most formulaic/radio friendly song I don't think it's a great example of what the band is though (despite being a great song in its own right). Same goes (to a lesser degree) for One of Us Is the Killer, but George & Ryan - if you're reading this, give those songs a listen on or off video; I'm pretty sure you'll actually like them.
What about something like Paranoia Shields or Nothing's Funny
I’m proud of you dudes giving Dillinger Escape Plan a test run, they’re a rough listen even for an experienced technical prog-metal fan and musician like myself! I remember ever liking only one song from them back in the day called 43% Burnt because it has a sick ass breakdown at the end that’s heavy as shit and you just wanna bang your head to it, but the rest of the song is like on ritalin or something. Felt too much like a creepy fun house which is their signature sound, and it’s not for me. I like my prog-tech with more emotion and a variety of them, unless you’re Meshuggah who can bring the ruckus and grooves.
Glad they werent started off on 43% Burnt
I've been recommending Cult of Luna's "In Awe Of" for some time. They're atmosphere sludge metal and a lot of their songs build beautifully. I wish you all would give that song a chance
You guys actually touched on the main reason I like bands like Dillinger. There is so much consonant, sonorous, easily digestible music. Dillinger is like extremely spicy food, or cask strength bourbon. The noise and the "hard-to-get-a-foothold-ness" of it is a lot of the draw for me. Replay value is generated from something being so dense with noise that it takes multiple listens to unpack.
What other similar bands are out there?
@@rodrigopalomino322 It depends what you mean. If you want similar *sonic* content, you might look at my pal BlipVert, or Squarepusher. If you like similar treatment of metal, Between the Buried and Me, Kayo Dot, Maudlin of the Well, stuff like that.
But you know what they say: often imitated, never replicated.
@sREUDIAN fLIP Check out Sungazer and Bent Knee. Might hit some spots for you.
@sREUDIAN fLIP and if you like really noisy, like reallyreally, BlipVert is peerless.
@@rodrigopalomino322 ion dissonance, into the moat, from a second story window, psyopus, behold the arctopus, botch, norma jean, converge, dead guy, every time I die, look up mathcore. but no one will really compete with dilinger. ion dissonance is like a waaaaaaay heavier dilinger. botch is before dilinger so is converge. norma jean is botch 2.0 dead guy is before dilinger too. everytime i die is around the same time. psyopus is dilinger on crack. behold the arctopus is psyopus without vocals. enjoy
I knew this was going to be this way. Dillinger has some wide ranges and for sure have ones you would like, but I think this is a band you shouldn't feel bad about having odd feelings
For sure. Been listening to metal my entire life and take pride in enjoying weird shit, but it took me a while to get into TDEP. I'm glad I did though
Oh, definitely. It's GREAT that you gave it an honest shot, and nobody's going to harass you for not loving it. They really did something pure and honest, and never expected anyone to like it.
How is there a comment posted a month ago on a video posted yesterday?
@@wvjon75 Patreon gets most of these videos anywhere from 2 weeks to a month earlier
At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
They have to get to some melodeth at some point
At the gates - the red in the sky is ours better
Dark Tranquility! Anything from the gallery
@@efphy6219 Nothing from that album would be a good first reaction
@@efphy6219 better for a seasoned metalhead like us or for these guys who are still evolving. Slaughter of the Soul is more palletable.
It's a masterpiece. Plain and simple, no analysis needed.
“Milk Lizard” is the jam. Funny thing is these guys are phenomenal musicians
That first pause was SO damn funny. The look between you said everything!. The hope you had before you heard it then after. comedy! All the metalheads knew what was coming. We were all smiling knowing what was about to come! They call this math metal, it has crazy time signatures on purpose. insane amount of talent to do so however.
Josh Tolbert lmao for real! Like I already felt I knew how they would react but that had me dying as well. Props to them for at least giving it a go though!
Dillinger has always tried to push boundaries, not only with their music which sounds super chaotic and dissonant in many of their songs, but also with their live performances which were just absolutely insane. They would breathe fire, destroy their equipment, climb and jump off parts of the stage, which often enough led to injuries.
Anyway, not all of their songs are as off-kilter as this one. Like some other comments say, they also have more digestible songs that are more melodic/formulaic, but still have that Dillinger flavor. If you guys are at all interested in giving them another shot, try "One of us is the killer", "Black Bubblegum", "Setting fire to sleeping giants" or "Milk Lizard".
Alsooooo, there's a supergroup called Killer Be Killed that has Troy from Mastodon, Greg (vocals) from Dillinger and Max Cavalera from Sepultura. You guys might really like their song "Wings of feather and wax", it's a banger.
One Armed Scissor - At the Drive In
GEDAWAAY
GEDAWAAY
Or Enfilade think George and Ryan could really get into that one
@@mattmatthews5414 it's "cut away"
Incredible band
glassjaw would be cool too IMO
This is very fair analysis. It's interesting to see a fresh reaction to DEP, but I would not have introduced this song for a first time listener. 'Room Full Of Eyes' on this album is a pretty groovy one.
Or Gold Teeth On A Bum. I constantly get that vocal melody in my head.
Guys, you should really try with Whitewater by Kyuss, pioneer of stoner rock as we know it.
Give it a listen!
“Setting fire to sleeping giants” is a great structured song lol.
The singer has a side project called “The Black Queen” and it’s neat to see how 80s, dance influenced the music is. Definitely some Nine Inch Nails drum sounds in there
A great live act
Mr Bungle "Travolta" or "None of them knew they were robots" hell why not "Desert Search For Techno Allah"
Singer Mike Patton's High school band.
Help me out Free Thinkers.
Sincerly
A.
Patton did one EP with the band but he isn't the singer here. This is Greg Puciato
I do know man that Patton did the "Irony is a dead scene" (EP) of course and acknowledge Greg Puciato is the singer in The Dillinger Escape Plan.
Miscommunication"°○□□••••~~`°°`•○○¤☆●○▪
Agreed! Mr. Bungle!
Aahren Browne my ass is on fire
I love the analysis, I love this band as it is but you guys opened my eyes to ideas and points I had never even thought of. Very well done.
A great song from them that builds from slow to intense is The Widower, I have played this song for many people to introduce them to the band.
Much of the band's appeal to me is how much it reminds me of free-form jazz's "formula".
Thank You Scientist - Mr. Invisible
Totally this
Incredible song.
Yeeeees!
Any song by Thank You Scientist would be an amazing choice!
Or Blood on the Radio
I actually think you guys would enjoy "Milk Lizard", "Black Bubblegum", or "Symptoms of a Terminal Illness". This is definitely one of their crazier ones and not a great first listen, but it's awesome that you guys were able to see the intention.
The lead singer of this band is also in a supergroup with members of Mastodon and Sepultura.. they're called "Killer Be Killed" and the album they released is a ton of fun to listen to. I'd recommend "Melting of My Marrow" or "Dust into Darkness"
Your best reaction so far for me personally. These guys are technician's in their own right and I agree where others have said they can be a hard listen. Ryan's opinion is one I've never thought of with these guys after 15 years of listening to them . Thank you!!!!
Saw these guys in Houston with a friend. They come out and don’t say “hi” or “screw you” or anything. They just melt your face off clean at the neck for. 90 minutes and walk off the stage!
Wasn’t my “type” of music but I had to respek their gangster.... It’s metal for mathematicians.
Metal for mathematicians, lol
Now everyone is going to say, "Hey, react to __________. You'll HATE it."
Tough introduction to TDEP but they’re the most rewarding band once you really get underneath the music! 🤘
Alongside Converge
M4RCi92 I wonder what they would think of converge songs like Concubine or Dark Horse, or Under duress. Converge is a band I LOVE, but I’ve never been able to get any friends or family into
@@camhorejs They wouldn't get into it, just like they didn't get into TDEP. These bands' are way too abrasive and raw. I remember when I first checked out a Converge song, it was No Heroes. It was like being shot in the ear. I needed a few tries with some "softer" songs to be able to get into them. But ever since, they're my #1 favorite band.
Personally, when I want to show Converge to someone, I start with Aimless Arrow, Grim Heart / Black Rose, All We Love We Leave Behind, First Light + Last Light or Sadness Comes Home. They're easier to get than, say Axe to Fall or Heartless.
Ikr?
that is damn right! It was heartbreaking to me when they have splited.
Everyone saying they should try more approachable songs like "one of us is the killer": they might like it but for me those songs don't really define what dillinger is about. I'm glad they went with farewell, mona lisa even if they don't like it. Again, they might like a song that follows more common patterns but what's the point when 95% of dillinger's songs are not like that?
That's a good point
I agree 100%. This was one of the best songs to introduce them to the band. While One of Us...is a good enough song. It most certainly not, IMO, what DEP represents, even today, in their music. Hell, there are at least 2-3 other songs on Option Paralysis that would be great for still getting true representation of the band and are easier to listen to (Chinese Whispers, Widower, and even Gold Teeth on a Bum). I do not agree at all with trying to ease them into DEP with their more pop-y songs. But I could be in the minority on that.
I respect this comment. You are right.
I think you have to follow a path that makes sense to get to really enjoy the abstract stuff. So while "one of use is the killer" isn't a typical dillinger song, it has pieces that are typical while bridging that with an approachable structure. That when when you get to the deep cuts, you at least have some point of reference.
ThatOneEwokThatDied their last three albums are a lot more palatable than their early work and help get people into their early work. Nothing wrong with that
Most of Dillinger is crazy like this. You weren't going to like it. Should have started with Milk Lizard.
Next....INTO ETERNITY🤘🤘
I agree my fello utuber
Into eternity - devoured by sarcopenia
Diagnosis Terminal!
Thank you! I've been requesting into eternity for over a year now. I'd like to see them do something a little older that avoids the screeching stew vocal. Splintered visions would be a great choice or spiraling into depression
@Synner Dethshayde yes!! One of my all-time favorite albums! "Beginning of the end" would also be a great choice! I can see them bobbing their heads to that song. The whole album is amazing
I think you summed up why I love this song and really this band in general
How about something by Swans... I'd suggest maybe "The Golden Boy Swallowed By the Sea", or "Why are We Alive"...
Nice. I'd love to see what they think. Swans are not super easy to get into for anyone.
Rad, so pumped you guys are giving this one a listen. I think you nailed the analysis of the title as it matches the tone of the song, and it's super cool that you're trying to give it the benefit of the doubt.
This is one of my favorite albums of all time, so here are some things I've thought about listening to this song a million times:
First, the title of the record is Option Paralysis, and it came out in 2010. That's 4 years after Facebook opened to the public, 3 years after the iPhone, 2 years after the App Store...The whole theme of the record is having so many options for entertainment and social media that people just zonk out--that's why this song starts with that chaos, because to make their point, they have to hit you with this barrage of flailing rhythms and discordant melodies before introducing you to any semblance of the familiar with that slow groove. And that groove is real dark, illustrating the state of mind of someone who is trying to make their way through this world and failing.
After that groove, you get a big build where the vocalist, on behalf of the first generations who grew up with the internet, starts asking previous generations, "What did you expect, that we would never leave home? That we would NEVER leave?" The question gets more and more intense until the beat drops. During this new heavy groove, he says, "What did you expect from us? We're murderers--murderers and liars and rapists and thieves."
This is the climactic moment in the song for me--it's Sauron taking the battlefield with the One Ring at the beginning of Fellowship Of The Ring. With that line, the singer indicts the new generations for some of the most common uses of the internet: violent games, internet trolling, porn, and piracy. We're murderers because we've all beat people to death with a bat in Grand Theft Auto; we're liars because we've all pretended to be somebody we're not and said things we don't believe, we're rapists because we've all had sexual encounters with pornstars who never consented to us, and we're thieves because we've all streamed movies illegally, or if you're older, you stole music on Napster or LimeWire. And now that we're getting older and making the world our own, there's no putting that genie back in the bottle.
Super intense stuff, and I don't necessarily think everything is all as bad as Dillinger makes it sound, but the rest of the album has a lot of these meditations. One song called Room Full Of Eyes has a great line that I'll leave it at:
"There is nowhere to hide in a room so full of eyes."
Thanks again for taking the time to check these guys out. They're definitely out there, and abstract art isn't a bad way to describe them. Just wanted to throw this out there, because these guys were on the ball before a lot of other people about the big issues of our time.
George's comments on this reflect not just this song but this bands stated purpose. There are more palatable songs but I think this one is a good example of their range. Other things to try, Botch, Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza, Car bomb, Frontierer. Also give Converge a shot for another genre G.O.A.T.
Ian Crewe it'd be rad if they'd react to a Botch song
@@downwardisheavenward3006 To our friends in the great white North would be great!
Ian Crewe I'd be down for that
Car bomb lol... they're gonna hate that
@@aaronmatthews988 I don't think any of those bands are going to 'make the playlist'
Songs like this are slow burn songs. You need to get comfortable with the chaos and the shock of it all first. Then you can find the groove, which is hidden in there.
"I'm tryin dude, i'm trying, i'm trying to stay open minded...on this one, but ahh there's a lot going on." LMAO
“We’re ready... I think.” You’re not. You’re not ready. 😂
Second chance: The Dillinger Escape Plan - Widower
I absolutely love this song for many reasons, but I 100% stand by the fact that Widower should have been the first introduction and it should definitely be the second chance. Skip One Of Us Is The Killer, too radio friendly without a lot to digest. If you guys like Widower, then definitely check out Milk Lizard
Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants ***
PLEASE! I said milk lizard above cuz its an easy listen, but Widower is really just a beautiful song.
One of Us Is The Killer is a very good song, but it’s not what Dillinger is.
Down- Stone the Crow, Archspire- Involuntary Doppelganger, Trivium- The Sin and the Sentence
Hi guys !
At the beginning - I am big fan of yours ! TDEP is my favourite band and I'm glad You finally found out about them. The thing is... TDEP is pretty hardcore :D Even most metalheads don't quite get into them. The comparison to abstract art that You mentioned is perfect. Phenomenal skills of the band, jazz influences, rhythm breaking, riff complexity, hardcore screams - the level of their "accessibility" is very low to be honest.... Also Farewell, Mona Lisa is a song that shows their enitre scope of skills BUT definately not to start with (or You will love it -(probably ~1% population) or take it as unbearable noise (remaining ~99%) and never get back to them again). If You will ever have a will to get back to them - Black Bubblegum, Milk Lizard, One of us is the Killer are one of their most accesible songs - most of the rest ,as my wife describes is just "Turn off that f*kn noise" type :D
Still, much love and respect ! Waiting for Your other videos
Ire Works is still on rotation, the wife likes it even though she doesnt know it yet! I dig TDEP but I had a hard time acquiring the taste. Botch is one I still cant get into much for the same reasons you described, honestly that sound to me is cringy. TDEP has such a wide array of depth and range that I came to appreciate, however I still have to be in the right place for it.
@@tizoned1 Agree - the thing with TDEP is they range goes from "Widower" to "Lurch" or "43%" - they are (sorry - were) capable of playing whatever they imagined. To me this is the essence of art and I'm glad guys noticed that. TDEP music is very layered and it may overwhelm at the beginning. Cheers !
When you guys paused and just looked at each other!😂😂😂😂 Better than the whole video. Abstract chaotic display!!!!!LMAO. You tried.❤️Please keep it up! Huge fan!
This is the second video of yours I have seen. I am hooked! Your open minds give hope for the future. I won't miss another video.
This was pretty much one of the best songs to hit first. It's one of the best showcases for their many styles all wrapped up in a single package. I'm glad you didn't start with one of their more "listenable" songs and work into this, as they are not in the same league. Both styles are good, I enjoy their more palatable songs too, but this really checks many of their artistic style boxes and gets close to the peaks and valleys of each substyle they incorporate into their songs (aggressive, SUPER aggressive, melodic, jazz, etc) and is one of my favorites of theirs. If you are interested in dialing it back with DEP (which I selfishly recommend), there are 2 other songs on this album alone that are fantastic intros for the band (Chinese Whispers & Widower). Phone Home, Milk Lizard, & Gold Tooth on a Bum are also good next stops on your journey, should you ever do a 2nd chance for DEP. Regardless, idk if you are still reading, or if at all, but I always enjoy your candid reactions and initial takes on the meanings of the songs. You guys are great.Thanks a ton.
Right. I get that and these dudes are talented but it’s chaotic and I can’t feel that lol
Converge - All We Love We Leave Behind
Converge - Dark Horse
start with Concubine and move up to Axe To Fall
Distance and Meaning is probably their best starter and still abrasive
Tesseract - Of Matter (Live in Studio)
I keep hoping for this one too. I guess if we literally request it every single video we might get it ;)
At some point this is bound to happen... but man i wish we could do concealing fate instead. concealing fate >>>> of matter... might be too long though for a reaction
@@Comp1337ish Yeah its a long one. But a really good one
George and Ryan, thanks for what you do. I appreciate it, and find it inspiring. I enjoy chaotic stuff like this sometimes because it's unpredictable, like every moment and every choice they make as musicians invites some sort of analysis. You guys like grooves it seems, and I do too, but when you have odd or inconsistent time signatures it makes me count it and analyze what makes it different from straight 4/4 or 3/4 or whatever, and it makes music like a puzzle and a thing to get out of the box and examine, being surprised by little moments of insight. Its almost not the sound that feels good, but the journey of finding patterns and order in the chaos.
The talent of the singer, the dynamics of their music and how they can go from total insanity to being soothing and melodic, and the fact that they break all the rules when writing music are all reasons why Dillinger is one of my favorite bands. Milk Lizard is definitely an easier song by them to get into if you guys decide to give them another listen.
The Mars Volta- Roulette Dares please!!
Good god yes!!
l'via l'viaquez would have been my pick
Yes!! Or Cicatriz ESP
@@Sammyfrmkdz I always have a soft spot for Inertiatic ESP since it was the first track of theirs I heard.
@@strika1140 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW IIIIIIIII'MMMMMMMM LOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSST
Bolt Thrower - The IVth Crusade
Burzum - Dunkelheit
Mgla - Exercises In Futility V
Bathory - Foreverdark Woods
Bathory - A Fine Day to Die
Describing Dillinger as abstract art couldn't be more spot on
Reaction before watching this: Oh no.. 😂😂
Hey really glad you guys gave them a chance, you don't have to react to these songs of theirs, but I'd recommend checking out "One of Us Is the Killer" or "Mouth of Ghosts". I'm sure you guys would enjoy those and it might let yall question "what's really going on here?".
Definitely One of us is the killer!!!
I was not a fan of Dilinger Escape Plan when i first heard them too. I thought it was overwhelming as hell. Then i heard the song “Limerent Death” and everything changed for me. Once i started with that songs and then “One of us is a killer”, i started to understand who they are and how they work. You cant start from the top when it comes to Dilinger Escape Plan, its like buying a a used game that already has a saved game from the last person and they have everything unlocked and theres only hard bosses, youre lost as hell and dont know what is going on. Its overwhelming. I suggest you start with Limerent Death, you wont regret it. 2ND CHANCE GUYS, LIMERENT DEATH
@@mythosspecialist1352 43%, Sunshine, Calculating, Prancer etc would be top, but Farewell, Mona Lisa is ,in my opinion, full scope of TDEP character - problem is... it hits You really hard with chaotic beginning - then it stabilizes :D
At the Drive in- One Armed Scissor
Also do something by Electric Wizard and Burzum
Bon Fire lmao don’t send them to burzum! 😂😂😂
Definitely Dopethrone by Electric Wizard. Or Funeralopolis.
Excellent choice
Immortal is better than Burzum anyway
At the drive in!!!
POLYPHIA - GOAT
No, they suck ass
I second this 100%
Yes yes yes
Terrible band. Just awful.
U either get DEP or u don't. But it removes no sheen of their shield.
I love this song and band because of two reasons. The sheer visceral nature of The Dillinger Escape Plan is something to behold, but there is so much underneath the surface. Listening to them is like solving a puzzle: at first it seems disorganised, but after a few listens, all the pieces fit. All their songs are very well structured with very recognizable patterns and even catchy melodies within the chaotic instrumental framework.
The Dillinger Escape Plan are something what I would call 'highest level' listening for any of the uninitiated. Along with bands like Converge, Ephel Duath, etc, they perform and create some of the most complex and visceral compositions with multiple time signatures and tempos, which may sound all over the place for those who are just getting in to heavier music.
Though some of the members are actually classically trained jazz musicians, so there is most definitely a huge jazz influence - particularly in their earlier material from albums like Calculating Infinity, and Miss Machine. Though over the years they have incorporated and blended other genre influences from industrial, electronica, alternative rock, etc. But ultimately - they have always considered themselves a 'hardcore punk' band at the very core, as that is where they really flourished from to some degree.
Though I think you would actually find some hardcore punk bands a lot more accessible, enjoyable and interesting, and most certainly a genre of music you have not covered yet! Certain bands being Hatebreed, Sick Of It All, Comeback Kid, Madball, Incendiary, Bad Brains, etc. Most definitely would love to see you check out some bands from that genre!
But I digress, other Dillinger tracks I think you may find tons more easier to digest are 'Milk Lizard', 'Setting Fire To Sleeping Giants', and 'One Of Us Is The Killer'. In the meantime, keep on being you - and keep on being a free thinker! It's awesome :)
Only thing is that hardcore doesnt fill the comment section and doesnt get the likes. Its my personal fav when it comes to genre. Ive suggested etid and bad brains for nearly 2 years. I still think they would love etid because of the southern sludge and rock elements to the bands fast paced hardcore music. Bad brains is just my all time favorite hardcore band.
@@craigwinston7679 That's a good shout, Every Time I Die I think they would totally get in to!
@@panasonicyouth1985 gotta tell them they will hate it
OMG they need to react to Sick of it All.
Considering how much you dig "the groove", you should check out Russian Circles.
Saw them live a few months back. Really took me places!
Absofuckinglutely! Seen them twice and they're absolutely amazing! I think I was in the top 3% of listeners of them on Spotify in 2017. 😆 They really are a go to band for me. It's hard though to pick a song. Most of their CDs the first and second songs usually go together so well!
I saw them in Denver opening for Mastodon. They were really good.
Super excited! I've been waiting for this for a long time and am glad you gave it a chance. Keep up the amazing work. I do agree with another comment that if you're ever willing to give them a second chance, Widower is a great choice.
This definitely caught me by surprise, I would have never of guessed y'all would be listening to Dillanger. Y'all hit it right with chaotic art and a chaotically expressive band, I would have had y'all listen to "One of Us is the Killer", "Milk Lizard" or "Limerant Death" as intro.
I'm glad y'all dove into it though. Cheers! I love the channel.
That look on Ryan's face at 3:14 really made me laugh.
Tool - The Grudge
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@@hcburner LET GO LET GO LET GO LET GO LET GO LET GO LET GO LET GO LET GO LET GO LET GO LET GO
DeanKnight333 YES MORE TOOL
Not too sure they are gonna dig The Grudge, it takes a while to get into the actual meat of the song.
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Dude's do Vektor Chagring the void/Recharaging the void. I've made this comment several times. It's never gotten any likes because it's a smaller band people don't know about too much. I don't expect it to be the next video you release but put it on your list of thing to consider. Love you guys regardless though. Your reactions are great, I enjoy seeing what stuff you dislike and what stuff you love in every genre.
That whole album is great. It's the only thing I listen to in the gym. It gets me so amped.
Vektor is a must! Terminal Redux is a masterpiece.
Outside of the lyrics you already mentioned, I love this song because of the dynamics. It perfectly encapsulates Dillinger's different sounds: crazy, off kilter, chaotic musicianship that threatens to fall apart but never quite does, paired it with their ear for groove, melody, and rhythm in the quieter parts. Dillinger is some of the most challenging music I've ever heard, and it took me a bit to warm up to them and figure out what they were doing. But now I absolutely adore the pure power of those chaotic intro parts like in this song, when I listen to their music I feel catharsis and almost like I could walk through a brick wall if I wanted to. I'm so glad you guys went into this song with an open mind and were able to appreciate it for its artistic value, even if its not something you'd enjoy normally, because a lot of people write these guys off immediately because of the harshness of their sound.
Can't believe you did Dillinger! My all-time favorite band.
Break all the rules to bring back creativity. Perfect. Well done, sir.
I've been constantly requesting Diablo Swing Orchestra "Voodoo Mon Amour" (& I still want to see that) but for some reason after watching this I want you guys to react to Portal's video for "Curtain".
before I even watch this, I wish you good luck.
guys, this is one of the craziest bands on the planet, they, in a way, re-defined the way to play heavy music and influenced so many other bands, so obviously it's not for everyone (heck man, even my first encounter with them wasn't an easy ride to say the least). I love them beyond anything, they're one of the most important bands for me, ever, but I totally get why you might not like this. Having said that, TDEP tried so many different things and sounds throughout their career, that there's no way you won't find a song you'd like, just keep looking ;) Nonetheless, it was very interesting to see your reaction to this song specifically, since it's one of my faves, also George's interpretation I think was pretty much on point (also what you said about this song was kinda TDEP's creed in general haha) cheers!
This is straight up one of the most fun channels on RUclips. Even when you guys don't like the song, you always have an interesting and thoughtful take on it and listen to it on its own terms, while still being opinionated and funny. Keep it up, you're really making something cool here.
I love this band so much. Pure form of a balance of exploring time signatures. The beauty of violence best way to describe it.
The Dillinger Escape Plan are one of my favourite bands, but I totally understand how the abrasive, spastic, dissonant sound is not digestible for virgin ears. If you want a straightforward "musical" track from them, try One of Us Is the Killer. It sounds like a James Bond intro song. I'm sure you'd enjoy it!
what about Paranoia Shields? "virgin-ears" friendly too and god damn that song is hot.
Lost In Vegas aren't "virgin ears", they aren't your typical top 40 listening plebs. They're hip-hop heads. Notice how quickly they got into TDEP's lyrics and took them apart. They're just not metal fans bro.
@@Dyomaeth they kinda are. not 14-years old pop music lovers, but still they "eat" mostly straight-forward stuff. well I appreciate that George really get good drum moments in music at least
There are a few artists out there that I HATED for the longest time, then one day just "getting" it. Gojira was one of them. Dillinger is another. I have to be in the right frame of mind to listen and enjoy, but it's no longer just noise to me. Their live shows were INSANE. I agree with other commenters who said One of Us is A Killer is their most digestible song. It's almost normal.
But ..you must do Hero of War by Rise Against.
When I first listened to Calculating Infinity, it made me feel pure anger. Like I needed to destroy something. I HATED the noises coming out of the speakers. But I also don't remember feeling that sort of emotion, so I stuck with it. I rarely revisit CI, but everything with Greg is constantly in my rotation. Seeing them live made it all come together, and I've been a huge fan ever since! No other band was like DEP.
Protest the Hero - Blindfolds Aside! (the 6 minute version!) They're like Dillinger but less experimental/spazzy with the song writing.
Oscar Sanchez hell yeah, bloodmeat or heretics and killers would be sick too
To be fair i dont think blindfolds is the best song from them considering how much their sound changed after kezia. I think Skies would be a killer one for them
I'd suggest something off Volition for guys that aren't really into this stuff
@@hocke68 Idk. I think they're well initiated to get into something off Kezia. Mist would be cool though :D
better to start whit something from scurilous or volution
I started listening to dillinger again recently after a nasty break up, 'a symptom of terminal illness' and 'one of us is the killer' really hit home for me. Also see 'dead as history' keep up the honest review's guys :) loving the content
I started listening to prog around the age of 13 and steadily found my interest of experiencing music together and enjoy the teamwork coming from playing stuff. I learned playing drums around the same age and found old-timer songs that were fun to play with friends, but then I started getting more and more interested in breaking my limits and becoming better at what I was doing. While doing so I discovered several new bands and I mostly ventured through the prog style. I love the way some bands manage to pocket a groove that's in odd-time, but doesn't sound like it and I love how challenging it might be to play and love the storytelling-aspect that's about exploring different styles of songwriting instead of repeating a chorus 5 times. Not to say that I dislike anything within the normalized genres. All music is good - but prog always kept me at my toes wanting more, tingling and interested in understanding why they do what they do.
Dillinger Escape Plan was a hard barrier for me to overcome. Everything sounded like noise and chaos for the sake of chaos, but then I started feeling the chaos and started enjoying the emotions that were put into sound. Dillinger Escape Plan have been one of my most favorite emotional storytellers through their sound and two of my favorite experiences at live shows. If fire could manifest out of energy and artistry on stage, The Dillinger Escape Plan shows would combust.
Dillinger Escape Plan do have other songs that are "better" at framing grooves and pocketing more traditional styles, but their best tracks are the ones to break boundries - they're usually also the ones with most emotion too.
Ryan try “Widower” by TDEP if you want a song that starts as a piano ballad and creatively works up to chaos. It’s on the same album as “Farewell, Mona Lisa”.
this song makes me spill water and throw pens too
"I'm tryin, dude." Me listening to Mumford & Sons
YES - ROUNDABOUT YES ROUNDABOUT
lol
I've been pushing for Montrose for over a year now.
Mark Shorter man, I was raised with classic rock radio constantly on, but I've never ever heard Montrose outside of snippets on VH1 BTM.
@@mattmatthews5414 check out their first album with Sammy Hagar fronting. Bad Motor Scooter, Rock Candy and Space Station #5......... Rock.
@@mattmatthews5414 if you decided to shovel out the meager $1 for their Patreon chanel, you'd have already seen their reaction to Roundabout 😁
@@markfox288 The debut album is a classic. One of the best hard rock albums from the 70s. Did inspire van halen.
The reason I love this band is all about that chaos. It just makes me feel at peace. Chris pennie is one of my favorite drummers of all time with his ability to play chaotic to laying down that groove. That being said it's a hard listen and definitely something that grew on me. Thanks for the video it gave me a smile!
You guys absolutely have to listen to “one of us is the killer” it keeps their creativity while still being accessible. This is definitely one of those bands that takes a while to get. I hated it for a long time until it clicked. But when it clicks, it clicks *hard*. There is really nothing like this out there and I love the sporadic nature. If you watch one of their live shows you’ll understand the energy that is so intoxicating for their fans it’s absolutely insane. But I get it this band is rough to swallow.