Please help me understand something - i don't get what he means by "mind". He says at 1:49 that "when self comes to mind consciousness appears". This surely must be an unwanted (communication) mistake from his part. As i understand from Giulio Tononi and Kristof Koch, very "simple" organisms such as lice and worms could very well "feel like something"/"there's something like to be them". Let's say that they do have a proto-non-conceptual sense of self (as different from the sense of the outer-environment), and this means that, as Damasio sais, they are conscious. Everything's perfect until here.. BUT then, what's that "mind" he's talking about? What "mind" is there, existing before lice and worms? Bacteria mind? Fungus mind? And a second problem i have, which this time could be very well due to my "creative" imagination, is that i don't get why all scientists say that for consciousness there must be a "self"/"point of view". Why can't a complex bacteria, drifting in water, just feel something, without having the ability to distinguish an internal medium from the external environment. Just one sphere of undiscriminating conscious feeling, that only discriminates between very faint proto qualia states.
@dewinthemorning Yes that is the question. Can a program made by us (conscious mind) create a conscious mind (like Star Trek: voyager series) that is not controlled by us. Is there any computer, that have survived Turing-test. I know that Deep Blue have won Garri Gasparov in chess.
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Please help me understand something - i don't get what he means by "mind".
He says at 1:49 that "when self comes to mind consciousness appears". This surely must be an unwanted (communication) mistake from his part. As i understand from Giulio Tononi and Kristof Koch, very "simple" organisms such as lice and worms could very well "feel like something"/"there's something like to be them". Let's say that they do have a proto-non-conceptual sense of self (as different from the sense of the outer-environment), and this means that, as Damasio sais, they are conscious. Everything's perfect until here.. BUT then, what's that "mind" he's talking about? What "mind" is there, existing before lice and worms? Bacteria mind? Fungus mind?
And a second problem i have, which this time could be very well due to my "creative" imagination, is that i don't get why all scientists say that for consciousness there must be a "self"/"point of view". Why can't a complex bacteria, drifting in water, just feel something, without having the ability to distinguish an internal medium from the external environment. Just one sphere of undiscriminating conscious feeling, that only discriminates between very faint proto qualia states.
Have you read anything by max stirner or renzo novatore on self?
@dewinthemorning
Yes that is the question. Can a program made by us (conscious mind) create a conscious mind (like Star Trek: voyager series) that is not controlled by us.
Is there any computer, that have survived Turing-test. I know that Deep Blue have won Garri Gasparov in chess.
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i have your book and i do not understand what the hell you mean by all of that