Still kinda dissapointed that no Ashes of War were made for the catalysts. Steady Chant and Unfaltering Prayer made casting so much more interesting than just flat number bonuses.
@@playmsbkgood thing they don't let you buff most unique weapons actually, slapping scholar's or frozen armament in the darkmoon greatsword could be considered a war crime In my humble opinion every unique weapon that doens't have elemental damage or a self buff should be able to receive weapon buffs And you can buff infused weapons actually, just as long as they are keen, heavy or quality
@@bagredecartola1289 yeah but then you are just slapping elemental damage into a weapon with physical damage which will make it so it'll have go through multiple defenses which is not good. whereas in dark souls 2 you could have had a weapon infused elementally and then slap a buff that has the same element (sunlight blade for lightning or dark weapon for dark) and it'll make like the most broken builds in the universe used to be so fun.
Youwy, u forgot to mention Staff of the Great Beyond at all, which functions as both a seal and a catalist. Even if u didn't want to rank it among seals, i think it deserves an honorable mention.
Obviously the gravel stone seal should've scaled with DEX like the beastclaw one did for STR; but the biggest issue I have with bows and catalysts is honestly still how restrictive we are on infusing since Dark Souls 3. Dark Souls 2's freedom to double down on scalings was pretty fun; and I definitely enjoy it more than powerstancing two catalysts for a flat damage bonus.
It's a percentage based bonus actually And i mean yeah the ability of doubling down on scalings on ds2 was pretty funny to mess around up until the dlc came in and broke your caster's kneecaps
Well, the issue is, Dex also increases casting speed. It'd be kinda hard to provide a balanced Dex/Faith scaling and not turn Dex/Faith builds into hyper-speed casting machines with high damage as well.
I personally consider the the Golden Order Seal to be the best full playthrough seal due to being easy to upgrade and being boosted by both the +10 int and faith crystal tears which lets you hit the first softcap at 30/30 very early. Also one note for all hybrid seals, they scale best between 20 and 30 so optimally you want to get your stats to 30 and then raise the best one to 43 which is the hardcap on current patch.
i wish the fire knight seal looked like messmerflame in your hand, i just dont like how almost every seal has a white to yellow glow. i almost exclusively use the dragon communion seal because it looks so cool. i like the way seals look more than staffs so itd be nice if we had more colors of seals
The fact that there aren't any faith arcane weapons is such a missed opportunity. Imagine getting a greatsword called "Bayle's Talon" that was his broken wing, and it has fire scaling with faith and lighting scaling with arcane as its damage types. Its ash of war could be similar to aspect of the crucible wings, but instead you get flame pillars similar to knights lightning spear that surround you and increase the number if charged. Would've been a DREAM weapon.
I really wish the scaling of the Clawmark seal didn't softcap at a measly 43 Strength and Faith. That's just knee-capping it from having any real use if you invest more into it, since you are gonna get way more damage by just running the Erdtree Seal and offhanding a Cinquedea, letting you use Quickstep while casting.
I have a high level character that's using a dex/int build with some faith investment for the utility incantations and the incant scaling on the Frenzied Flame seal is higher than my Golden Order or Erdtree seals. (60 dex, 80 int, 40 faith)
The thing about Intelligence/Faith builds that I tend to see overlooked regularly is, that while yes there are only a handful of weapons (mostly in the DLC) that scale off of both Intelligence and Faith, that doesn't mean you can't benefit from just using Intelligence and Faith weapon alongside the few Int/Fth weapons. While yes they're weaker than they'd be on a dedicated Intelligence or Faith build, but the Darkmoon Greatsword, Clayman's Harpoon, Blasphemous Blade, Coded Sword and other Intelligence or Faith weapons are worth using. Instead of a bunch of dedicated options you get the best of both. I'm not saying going into Flame Art on Clayman's either BTW, just going into Magic with the thing. The one thing that I can knock the Golden Order Seal for is that in the DLC on a dedicated Int/Fth build (40/40 to 50/50) it gets outclassed in versatility to the Staff of the Great Beyond, yes it's stronger than than the SotGB, but it can't cast Sorceries as well and the scaling drop isn't so extreme to make it a severe downgrade. The fact that Weapon Buffs and Direct Healing spells only scale off of Faith really irks me, it's actually why I'm kind of glad the Gravel Stone Seal doesn't scale off of Dexterity. In Demon's Souls the Talisman of Beasts could cast both schools of magic and used to full scaling for weapon buffs and healing spells, same went for Dark Souls 1/R. As much as I love DS3 that is the game that broke this and something that I wish Elden Ring fixed.
My first playthrough was faith/arcane and that's when I discovered that Dragon Communion Seal just is incredible, it looks great, weighs 0, is the best easily for Blue Dancer - I love light rolling - not to mention nice for build variety and so it's been my go to ever since. Though I have to say one of the funniest, and most cumbersome builds possible, is to pair it with an Albinauric staff (either oh swap or a caster build like that) and a status/element weapon swap. An UI nightmare beyond the usual spell swapping that still somehow works on paper, I don't think you can have more functioning variety in the same build.
Im so happy the clawmark seal exists, just pumped the faith on my 80 strength build to 40 and threw on the blessed blue dew talisman so now i can cast buffs for free and hit like a truck with pest spears and stones. Theres never been a better game for strength/faith
Thank you, that’s pretty interesting. I’ve seen plenty of Elden Ring playthroughs using Sacred Seals, but I haven’t played the game myself yet. I’m thinking about trying the Boosteroid cloud service since I noticed it’s the only one that has this game. What do you think, is it worth trying?
You said ng+ you can use two gravelstone seals. Instand of one and another seal with better scalings. But if the incant scaling from the other seal is more than 15% higher than gravel seal isnt it better to keep the difrent seals?
Crazy how the serpent hunter gets a b in strength scaling with no requirement and no smithing investment but the highest the frenzy seal gets is a b at max level
So, bad at math - is it better to dual-wield two of the same catalyst for damaging spells, or just use the boosting seal offhand and a higher scaling seal to cast with?
I think you misunderstood how the frenzied flame seal is supposed to be scaled with. Yes the scaling aint that great when you level ONLY ONE stat(faith preferably) but its a seal for ALL stats(except arcane) so a build with : 65 faith 50 int 50 strength 50 dex Is actually a pretty good seal(second best in the game) But the dragon communion seal is just better than all those other seals imo
according to youtube youwy was my most watched youtube channel and i watch 40x more than the average viewer i just listen to all the yap sessions how could i not
How do you get so much damage with incantations? Like i have 80 intelligence and 80 faith with the Golden Order seal, I've use howl of Shabriri, golden vow, and yet I'm still getting 791 damage in the dlc with MAXED scadutree fragments Edit: I'm using Unendurable Frenzy against Midra, who has 40% fire resistant, but that shouldn't matter because of my buffs and lvl
Dmg incantations scaling with faith just pisses me off, even with 99 in inteligence and faith and using the seal that buffs golden order incantations, its still weaker than using erdtree seal
Hate how most of the seals that give a special boost to a class of spells suffer from their spell scaling as a result. Poor balancing honestly. Golden order and dragon communion seal are the exception (and godslayer to an extent) but those you need to upgrade two stats which can be a bit of a problem in ng.
Pls pls.. make a video explaining why you think poking weapons are the best in the game.. I played every souls game btw not a noob here . Your wrong btw
As a Int + Fai main, Golden Order Seal is my favorite seal, because it also boosts my favorite Incantations. I usually switch between it and Prince of Death Staff to use Death Sorceries, and play with Light + Death.
It took me a while to get used to the idea that the damage of spells rely on the seal and not the faith/int stat. It’s still annoying that you have to dump stats into faith to match the requirement if you’re going to use a seal/build that doesn’t focus on faith. For example I really want to use an arcane build with the flower gavel and lightning spells. But even if I’m using the dragon communion seal the lightning spells will use my arcane stat but I still need to dump some faith to meet the requirement for the lightning spells. At least the knight lightning spear doesn’t require too much faith requirement.
@Goku-zu3rk you could spin it and say that smithing weapons can slot on lots more builds cause they'll be infusible. But most of the time it's more of a hassle
Because they're an absolute hassle to get. A somber weapon needs you to pick up just 1 of each and you're good. Regular smithing stone weapons require 12 of each (plus the ancient) so that's 97 individual smithing stones you need to pick up to get a weapon maxed. It just takes so much longer by comparison.
@darthplagueis13 at that point when you unlock the last somber bell bearing, you already have all normal bearings too. Idk where the problem is. Rushing weapons to the max for maximum damage by instantly upgrading once you have a stone is a questionable way to play. In the end it doesn't make a difference.
Still kinda dissapointed that no Ashes of War were made for the catalysts. Steady Chant and Unfaltering Prayer made casting so much more interesting than just flat number bonuses.
Fr, the poise skill on the ds3 talismans were sooo good, i remember just trading hits using ligthning stake
A mod I saw had the great idea of allowing parry skills on catalysts
@@InsertJokeHere325seals and staves not having golden parry or carian retaliation is criminal
@Scowleasy staves actually do get carian retaliation, just not as an ash of war. It's a separate spell which I find weird.
@@godrickthegolden9504 Yes! And why is it worse than the AOW??
Being able to infuse your catalyst in ds2 was fire
The way ds2 handled weapon buff spells was the best in the series imo. The fact you can't buff infused or special weapons is just counterintuitive.
@@playmsbkgood thing they don't let you buff most unique weapons actually, slapping scholar's or frozen armament in the darkmoon greatsword could be considered a war crime
In my humble opinion every unique weapon that doens't have elemental damage or a self buff should be able to receive weapon buffs
And you can buff infused weapons actually, just as long as they are keen, heavy or quality
@@bagredecartola1289 yeah but then you are just slapping elemental damage into a weapon with physical damage which will make it so it'll have go through multiple defenses which is not good. whereas in dark souls 2 you could have had a weapon infused elementally and then slap a buff that has the same element (sunlight blade for lightning or dark weapon for dark) and it'll make like the most broken builds in the universe used to be so fun.
dark infused chime of want my beloved 💔💔
Lightning, magic and dark too!
Unfortunately none of them deal piercing damage 😔
dragon maw does pierce dmg
@@sametekiz3709you sure? Thought it did strike
Does crucible horn deal strike or somethin?
doesn't Bayle's flame lightning deal pierce damage?
Youwy, u forgot to mention Staff of the Great Beyond at all, which functions as both a seal and a catalist. Even if u didn't want to rank it among seals, i think it deserves an honorable mention.
Just let us hold the actual microcosm
It may be able to cast incantations, but in-game it's still categorized as a staff
Another day of asking to Rank every single weapon buff (Greases, Spells, AOWs, unique AOW) after ranking whatever is left
Obviously the gravel stone seal should've scaled with DEX like the beastclaw one did for STR; but the biggest issue I have with bows and catalysts is honestly still how restrictive we are on infusing since Dark Souls 3.
Dark Souls 2's freedom to double down on scalings was pretty fun; and I definitely enjoy it more than powerstancing two catalysts for a flat damage bonus.
It's a percentage based bonus actually
And i mean yeah the ability of doubling down on scalings on ds2 was pretty funny to mess around up until the dlc came in and broke your caster's kneecaps
@ I was actually surprised that from decided not to nerf casters damage on bosses in the DLC this time lol
Well, the issue is, Dex also increases casting speed. It'd be kinda hard to provide a balanced Dex/Faith scaling and not turn Dex/Faith builds into hyper-speed casting machines with high damage as well.
@ well; the easiest solution to that is something that they’re always afraid of doing: bring back dks2 attunement or nakes cast speed scale with mind.
@@pockystyx4087 that's really stupid, first of all they would need to get rid of memory stones and bringing back agility in any capacity is dumb
I personally consider the the Golden Order Seal to be the best full playthrough seal due to being easy to upgrade and being boosted by both the +10 int and faith crystal tears which lets you hit the first softcap at 30/30 very early.
Also one note for all hybrid seals, they scale best between 20 and 30 so optimally you want to get your stats to 30 and then raise the best one to 43 which is the hardcap on current patch.
All i've taken away from this is going to 99 in one stat is better than using split scaling at NG+
i wish the fire knight seal looked like messmerflame in your hand, i just dont like how almost every seal has a white to yellow glow. i almost exclusively use the dragon communion seal because it looks so cool. i like the way seals look more than staffs so itd be nice if we had more colors of seals
The fact that there aren't any faith arcane weapons is such a missed opportunity. Imagine getting a greatsword called "Bayle's Talon" that was his broken wing, and it has fire scaling with faith and lighting scaling with arcane as its damage types. Its ash of war could be similar to aspect of the crucible wings, but instead you get flame pillars similar to knights lightning spear that surround you and increase the number if charged. Would've been a DREAM weapon.
Dragon Communion Seal also is great with Bleed-incants for Obvious Reasons.
Just wanted to say thanks for the content youwy, only elden ring content that still manages to have me coming back to the game
I really wish the scaling of the Clawmark seal didn't softcap at a measly 43 Strength and Faith. That's just knee-capping it from having any real use if you invest more into it, since you are gonna get way more damage by just running the Erdtree Seal and offhanding a Cinquedea, letting you use Quickstep while casting.
The dragon comm. seal also looks the best
I fully agree that the gravelstone seal should scale off dex. Especially since all the other non somber seals have strength scaling
This is a very good video, good explanations of how the seals affect all of the spells!
I was genuinely just looking up seals to see which would be the best for what build and then you upload this. I swear you're reading my mind
Is there a seal that prevents the streams from premature death?
I have a high level character that's using a dex/int build with some faith investment for the utility incantations and the incant scaling on the Frenzied Flame seal is higher than my Golden Order or Erdtree seals. (60 dex, 80 int, 40 faith)
Dragon communion seal my beloved
The thing about Intelligence/Faith builds that I tend to see overlooked regularly is, that while yes there are only a handful of weapons (mostly in the DLC) that scale off of both Intelligence and Faith, that doesn't mean you can't benefit from just using Intelligence and Faith weapon alongside the few Int/Fth weapons.
While yes they're weaker than they'd be on a dedicated Intelligence or Faith build, but the Darkmoon Greatsword, Clayman's Harpoon, Blasphemous Blade, Coded Sword and other Intelligence or Faith weapons are worth using. Instead of a bunch of dedicated options you get the best of both. I'm not saying going into Flame Art on Clayman's either BTW, just going into Magic with the thing.
The one thing that I can knock the Golden Order Seal for is that in the DLC on a dedicated Int/Fth build (40/40 to 50/50) it gets outclassed in versatility to the Staff of the Great Beyond, yes it's stronger than than the SotGB, but it can't cast Sorceries as well and the scaling drop isn't so extreme to make it a severe downgrade.
The fact that Weapon Buffs and Direct Healing spells only scale off of Faith really irks me, it's actually why I'm kind of glad the Gravel Stone Seal doesn't scale off of Dexterity. In Demon's Souls the Talisman of Beasts could cast both schools of magic and used to full scaling for weapon buffs and healing spells, same went for Dark Souls 1/R. As much as I love DS3 that is the game that broke this and something that I wish Elden Ring fixed.
it's a pity that there are no seals with dexterity/faith scaling
Thanks for your video
Regarding Clawmark and Bestial Incants. As a guy who loves Strength builds, I really appreciated how hurling a Boulder counted as magic lmao.
My first playthrough was faith/arcane and that's when I discovered that Dragon Communion Seal just is incredible, it looks great, weighs 0, is the best easily for Blue Dancer - I love light rolling - not to mention nice for build variety and so it's been my go to ever since.
Though I have to say one of the funniest, and most cumbersome builds possible, is to pair it with an Albinauric staff (either oh swap or a caster build like that) and a status/element weapon swap. An UI nightmare beyond the usual spell swapping that still somehow works on paper, I don't think you can have more functioning variety in the same build.
Have pretty much always used Dragon Communion seal exclusively. No surprise here.
Im so happy the clawmark seal exists, just pumped the faith on my 80 strength build to 40 and threw on the blessed blue dew talisman so now i can cast buffs for free and hit like a truck with pest spears and stones.
Theres never been a better game for strength/faith
14:32 there's also my beloved light greatsword from a dlc boss that has a very strong talisman
Let's go I feel like we've been long overdue for another one of these rankings
You can also use Renallas twin blades for a faith/int build
Thank you, that’s pretty interesting. I’ve seen plenty of Elden Ring playthroughs using Sacred Seals, but I haven’t played the game myself yet. I’m thinking about trying the Boosteroid cloud service since I noticed it’s the only one that has this game. What do you think, is it worth trying?
I usually use Dex/bleed with dragon communion and it is insanely powerful
You said ng+ you can use two gravelstone seals. Instand of one and another seal with better scalings. But if the incant scaling from the other seal is more than 15% higher than gravel seal isnt it better to keep the difrent seals?
a question:does going fully with two dragon commun seal out damage useing like two frenzy seal for just using frenzy incs?
You said the buffs stack, so if I have a godslayer seal in each hand it will double the buff for black flame incantations?
Crazy how the serpent hunter gets a b in strength scaling with no requirement and no smithing investment but the highest the frenzy seal gets is a b at max level
So, bad at math - is it better to dual-wield two of the same catalyst for damaging spells, or just use the boosting seal offhand and a higher scaling seal to cast with?
Faith/int builds don't really need a weapon because of catchflame and carrion slicer.
I think you misunderstood how the frenzied flame seal is supposed to be scaled with.
Yes the scaling aint that great when you level ONLY ONE stat(faith preferably) but its a seal for ALL stats(except arcane) so a build with :
65 faith
50 int
50 strength
50 dex
Is actually a pretty good seal(second best in the game)
But the dragon communion seal is just better than all those other seals imo
@14:32 I love it how you don't even acknowledge that the Rellana's Sword exists. Tbh, it may be amazing but SoNaF is otherworldly.
according to youtube youwy was my most watched youtube channel and i watch 40x more than the average viewer
i just listen to all the yap sessions how could i not
14:32 Rellana’s Twin Swords fans crying rn
Ok so my build is quality + faith (yes I know….) 55 str 55 dex 35 fth. No int no arcane. What seal should I be using?
shouldn’t Staff of the Great Beyond be here? cause it also casts incantations
I know that technically it's not a seal, but what about the staff of the great beyond?
Without it the chart is not complete...
How do you get so much damage with incantations? Like i have 80 intelligence and 80 faith with the Golden Order seal, I've use howl of Shabriri, golden vow, and yet I'm still getting 791 damage in the dlc with MAXED scadutree fragments
Edit: I'm using Unendurable Frenzy against Midra, who has 40% fire resistant, but that shouldn't matter because of my buffs and lvl
Int gets a sorcery sword but we don't get a catalyst weapon? One of the reasons I think the dlc isn't finished and I'm praying for a 2nd dlc
Does anyone know a good build around the dragon communion seal?
Truly a once in a lifetime game
Dmg incantations scaling with faith just pisses me off, even with 99 in inteligence and faith and using the seal that buffs golden order incantations, its still weaker than using erdtree seal
NIce luv the vids
I will never skip to the end
Finally. No two people can ever agree on the sacred seals
My spiraltree seal!
Why does it suck so bad... :,(
Hate how most of the seals that give a special boost to a class of spells suffer from their spell scaling as a result. Poor balancing honestly. Golden order and dragon communion seal are the exception (and godslayer to an extent) but those you need to upgrade two stats which can be a bit of a problem in ng.
You missed one casting seal...the one from metyr
Forgot the Dong of Great Beyond
What's the worst weapon in the game
Stone sheathed sword is like useless
does blue dancer charm not only buff physical scaling damage? how is it useful with dragon incantations?
Dragonmaw and claw
Rot breath does pure physical damage. Claw and maw obviously do aswell
dragon communion.
NICE
Pls pls.. make a video explaining why you think poking weapons are the best in the game.. I played every souls game btw not a noob here
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Your wrong btw
As a Int + Fai main, Golden Order Seal is my favorite seal, because it also boosts my favorite Incantations. I usually switch between it and Prince of Death Staff to use Death Sorceries, and play with Light + Death.
It took me a while to get used to the idea that the damage of spells rely on the seal and not the faith/int stat.
It’s still annoying that you have to dump stats into faith to match the requirement if you’re going to use a seal/build that doesn’t focus on faith. For example I really want to use an arcane build with the flower gavel and lightning spells. But even if I’m using the dragon communion seal the lightning spells will use my arcane stat but I still need to dump some faith to meet the requirement for the lightning spells. At least the knight lightning spear doesn’t require too much faith requirement.
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You are beautiful 😍
Fromsoft blacklist:
1. Faith katana
2. Dex sacred seal
3. Str/ dex staff
4. Proper tutorial
5. Good combat
Why is requiring smiting stones a downside ⬇️🫡?
More annoying to get cause you need 12 of each stone while sombers you only need one and you can get a +10 wpn super early on in the game
@shut i wouldn't say that this really is a downside to the weapon itself
@Goku-zu3rk you could spin it and say that smithing weapons can slot on lots more builds cause they'll be infusible. But most of the time it's more of a hassle
Because they're an absolute hassle to get.
A somber weapon needs you to pick up just 1 of each and you're good.
Regular smithing stone weapons require 12 of each (plus the ancient) so that's 97 individual smithing stones you need to pick up to get a weapon maxed. It just takes so much longer by comparison.
@darthplagueis13 at that point when you unlock the last somber bell bearing, you already have all normal bearings too. Idk where the problem is.
Rushing weapons to the max for maximum damage by instantly upgrading once you have a stone is a questionable way to play. In the end it doesn't make a difference.