kung ganito ba naman ka sopistikado at ka detalyado ang video e aasahan mo tlgang dadami ang subscribers. kudos sayo norman. sana ganahan ka pa na magturo sa mga tulad naming naghahanap ng magandang build at items.salamat brad
Salamat dito! Excited na ako maging RM kaso 5 jobs pa. Ito talaga gusto kong build eh. Hehe! Lakas maka-Getsuga Tenshou! More power sa Channel mo Sir Norman!
Guys, why does my passive skill dimension slash does not activate when I auto attack?? Is it by chance? or is there something I need to do? I just got my runemaster recently and I need your help
After watching this part 11:53, now I'm sure auto attacking here means normal attack / skills that put into auto slot. I tried with Thunder Taiko few months ago, the auto attacking buff called "encourage" also work with LB using skills on auto slots.
Sorry lods, medyo outdated na kasi ang RK. Hindi na din ako mkakabalik as RK since RM na. But it should be same or almost simillar with this. Dfs mdb is the upgraded version of bash db.
Why just use 1 dessert wolf card? As i know to active dessert wolf depo effect. We need dmg to s monster 50%++ So. Where we can find other 26%? Please answer my question
@@NormanGamingPH I'm RK right now job 62, and I'm confused which build will I make when I reach 4th job. I want the build that I can use until end game equips. What build do you think is better for RM in end game? Thanks again
since that skill doesn't have specific weapon to amplify the skill, that build is not efficient. Ivory it the best to use for it but ivory is not effective on woe pvp due to low atk and only good about it is the ignore def9. i did try that build but DFS or MDB still far superior.
@@NormanGamingPH I'm 5 months in the game. Not sure which weapon to invest in though.. or should I invest on adv book first. Currently +8 lance of dragon.. 😫
for long term use i should tell you investing on spear is better. specially if you can invest on +15. i probably go all the way for weapon since it is the main thing that can unleash your full potential. the hand book is slow progression.
crit build is really the better option now for other contents. this is towards pvp content. but you can still do fine, use dfs on 1f and MDB on 2f to 4f.
kraken + 10 = 10% matk kraken +12 = 12% matk kraken +14 = 14% matk kraken +15 = 20% matk so yeah unless you can afford a +15 kraken then youll be fine at +10 kraken.
@@NormanGamingPH Woa that was a quick response. Anyway, you mentioned on your video you said that 1 Tibber hand and 1 Kraken Eye are a good combination, is it even better with two tibber's hand?
well if you can get +15 kraken then that would be better. but we all know how expensive is it. ill be fine with 2 +8 tibbers i just got a good enchant on kraken that why i am using kraken.
Unfortunately my crit AA build is only for my pve or just for my weekly tasks. I am not confident on my crit build so I didn't make a guide. Haha try checking out other YT vids.
Do you have a spear/pierce build for RM? Coz I invested in this build. And want to know if it has potential in RM. Still in RK btw, and still thinking on whats best for my characher. Thank you for the video, you explained it very well unlike other uploaders. ! More power in. Your channel
Sorry to inform you that pierce build is dead. Now the most common build is either magic db or aa on pve wise. Sadly even godly mora halberd/soul spear is not selling now...
Yeah, I noticed that this build is dead.. hahaha... such a hard truth to swallow quite invested in soulspear and floral chain though... Thank you for your honest reply.
this will be really depends on your preference. kabuto is really the best for utility, LoD proc rate is low. Able to stun crowds is already a big help in war.
that hat is same as wearing 1 wraith star card. it still be better to have kabuto rather than that hat. LoD is 8% proc rate so with this hat + 2 wraith star, at max it will just be 8% x 1.75 = 14%
death awaken gives us penetration and the other passive skill gives us more damage to demi human. it also change our race to demon so yout targets demi human reduction will not work. its a massive damage spike on pvp. use it every cooldown.
Hello sir, I am a RM also and just synthesized my Lance of Dragon Tamer yesterday, then I saw your guide today. How big is the gap of the two weapons and build? What are your insights about it? Hoping a reply. Thank you.
If you have +15 DH then thats the best but if +10 only the difference wont be that much. But +10 DH still slightly better than +10 BoR. I just like the BoR since i can play hybrid.
Honestly no. I really dont like spears. Well if you didn't noticed i switched to ronin with +15 black flame sword. This is a simillar weapon to dragon howl. I'm really into swords only.
@@NormanGamingPH Is it because of the Bash? Or just for aesthetics? Last question, what if DH is a sword? What would you choose for your skillset? Bash|DFS or DB/MDM?
lacking of skill points. you can go for headcrush at the cost of low lvl hp alight and frenzy. I prefer to have no headcrush at all. it's just 150 patk anyway.
i have 140% visible ignore def + 25% hidden ignore def from Blade of Rage. so it is around 165%. i can stil improve it from my Prayers. my deposit is 23% only at max during WoE WoC.
my ignore def pray still at 30 so i can still improve it by 5% then after that +15 rosa. so i can increase it by another 20%. that would be my final goal. i dont plan to use morale4 armor. i rather pick resistance on armor.
How are you performing on higher maps? Is DFS a viable option for farming? It being dark element is double edged lol. Can't perform well on 50% of MVPs, so going there what skills do you use for ET? Just MDB?
I really can't tell what is the ideal. It still depends on your guild enemies. Like for team Sun guilds you should have atleast 150% to maximize your damage. But higher the better.
DB build is not a good build for MVP since not all mvp are weak against fire element or water element.the best for mvp is crit AA build. to max aesir you need around 3300gold medals
Meron +15dh boss,kaso panget enchat haha hirap maka tsamba ng morale 4 na enchant. Meron din ako +10blade of rage, morale 4 naman sya, kaya pag pvp, woe, woc mag dfs nalang haha, mdb nalang pag boss hunt hehe, btw sir sobrang thank you sa info nyo, laking tulong sakin hehe 😁
Hello sir. If i may ask. Is this build better that pure MDB? I'm kinda confuse on which build to follow. What are the pros and cons of this build. Hoping for your kind reply. More power!
I'm trying to save for +15 DH but it's too expensive. Can i follow the build eventhough i'm still a rune knight? Base level is 115 My job level is stil 65. And i still need to fix my handbook because i only have 500 plus atk and m.atk
f2p or spenders can do this build just replace all othet gacha items with whatever available thru exchange. but surely spenders will be totally stronger than you.
Sir okay lang ba gumamit ng ignore def items like rosa at ancient cape pag mag aa type na rk? pierce type po kasi ako and wala na po ata masyado nagamit
the problem with soulgun build is no specific weapon to amplify it. unlike dfs (blade of rage), mdb (dragon howl) and crit (heavens). di ko masabi tol if mgging effective sa pvp.
mdb is super weird the skill says its water/fire but the skill icon is neutral, also once you freeze a target wont they be water element and as far as i know hitting water with water is bad also with combination of fire element as well lul; ._.
Ronin class? The video said rune master and sorry for sounding ignorant is just that im might changer from battle ab to rune knight and theres a lot of diferents videos out there.i was just wondering why the naga sword over the spear that gives dragon breath dmg
nope. Bongun deposit and 3rd line of srunes has a bonus per point of Str. And i tried already many stats combinations. for dfs you should also have high str.
bad idea bro. dfs forced dark means its only good on 1f. but the range of dfs is short that makes it almost unreliable. MDB still better. or crit build the best.
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kung ganito ba naman ka sopistikado at ka detalyado ang video e aasahan mo tlgang dadami ang subscribers. kudos sayo norman. sana ganahan ka pa na magturo sa mga tulad naming naghahanap ng magandang build at items.salamat brad
One of the most detailed guide out there!
One of the Best RuneMaster Guide. ❤ Thank You for this.
Salamat dito! Excited na ako maging RM kaso 5 jobs pa. Ito talaga gusto kong build eh. Hehe! Lakas maka-Getsuga Tenshou! More power sa Channel mo Sir Norman!
Ikaw ang pinaka idol ko na GL! More power Kuya Norman!
very detailed guide. thank you for this!
Nice guide, keep it up bro!
Guys, why does my passive skill dimension slash does not activate when I auto attack?? Is it by chance? or is there something I need to do? I just got my runemaster recently and I need your help
thanks for the guide
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After watching this part 11:53, now I'm sure auto attacking here means normal attack / skills that put into auto slot.
I tried with Thunder Taiko few months ago, the auto attacking buff called "encourage" also work with LB using skills on auto slots.
Nice Guide
Nice guide
Thanks for the guide lods
NORMAN IS REAL !!!!
How can u trigger desert wolf insight with only 1 card inlayed in the weapon?
aesir rune of cavalry mastery
Hi Sir Norman. Thank you for this guide :) Bash/DB RK guide pls 😊
God bless!
Sorry lods, medyo outdated na kasi ang RK. Hindi na din ako mkakabalik as RK since RM na. But it should be same or almost simillar with this. Dfs mdb is the upgraded version of bash db.
Why just use 1 dessert wolf card?
As i know to active dessert wolf depo effect.
We need dmg to s monster 50%++
So. Where we can find other 26%?
Please answer my question
Aesir runes of cavalier mastery the one that adds dmge to small.
What is better for weeklies, sir Norman? 2 Mino's + depo or your suggested cards? Please help me
nambawan!
Finally ! waiting so long to this video
do you have a video of MVP gears using this build??
not a good idea to do mvp on this build.
Thank you for your guide sir can I ask for more guide for that in aehsir?
Is enchant morale for weapon also good? Can you enlighten me which one better morale or sharp blade? Thank you
You can make a revision for this build??? Really enjoy this!!! Congrats!!
Im sorry bro but this is far the best i can do for this build. Since i no longer have the gears and i changed to Ronin class.
Very well detailed video. May I ask if it is okay if I use 2 tibber hands accessories or 2 kraken eye accessories?
1 tibbers is the better pair offhand. Well unless you can afford 2 +15 krakens.
@@NormanGamingPH In your preference, do you think this build is better than pure MDB build?
@@NormanGamingPH I'm RK right now job 62, and I'm confused which build will I make when I reach 4th job. I want the build that I can use until end game equips. What build do you think is better for RM in end game? Thanks again
hello sir! how about the aesir guide? btw thanks for the detailed guide.
just want to ask if applicable kaya ito if ang weapon ko ay +15 dh? no zenny to buy a new weap as of now rh
nope. if weapon is DH then go for pure MDB
@@NormanGamingPH Is this build much powerful than full db?
no, this is the mediocore build of RM. pure MDB is a lot stronger now.
how about the pray and bless ? which stat that i need to focus if i want to build mdb ? currently i'm using PG, not DH. Thank you
For red
Pen > ignore def > demi human > matk > patk
Blue
Mdef% > hp > m.dmg red% > any you want
Yello
Fire dmg > water dmg > dark dmg> any you want
@@NormanGamingPH thank you sir !
Update lods ng advance runes?
how about the soul gun build and what weapon is good? for that build?
since that skill doesn't have specific weapon to amplify the skill, that build is not efficient. Ivory it the best to use for it but ivory is not effective on woe pvp due to low atk and only good about it is the ignore def9. i did try that build but DFS or MDB still far superior.
For weapon, why do you pick sword instead of dragon howl? 200% multiplier.
i pick this weapon because my build is hybrid, dfs/mdb. if i use spear i cant use dfs.
@@NormanGamingPH I'm 5 months in the game. Not sure which weapon to invest in though.. or should I invest on adv book first. Currently +8 lance of dragon.. 😫
for long term use i should tell you investing on spear is better. specially if you can invest on +15. i probably go all the way for weapon since it is the main thing that can unleash your full potential. the hand book is slow progression.
@@NormanGamingPH looking forward to more videos. Thank u
Would this build suitable for runs like oracle, ttL ?
crit build is really the better option now for other contents. this is towards pvp content. but you can still do fine, use dfs on 1f and MDB on 2f to 4f.
check out my 12 RM TTL vid, i used this build there
Is +10 Kraken's eye has a minimal difference over +12 Kraken's Eye? Which one you recommend +12 or +10?
kraken + 10 = 10% matk
kraken +12 = 12% matk
kraken +14 = 14% matk
kraken +15 = 20% matk
so yeah unless you can afford a +15 kraken then youll be fine at +10 kraken.
So 2pcs. +8 Tibber's hand for the acce is way better? it gives +13% matk
+8 tibbers is actually 16% matk. yes 2 tibbers is the potimum acce for sword Rune Master.
@@NormanGamingPH Woa that was a quick response. Anyway, you mentioned on your video you said that 1 Tibber hand and 1 Kraken Eye are a good combination, is it even better with two tibber's hand?
well if you can get +15 kraken then that would be better. but we all know how expensive is it. ill be fine with 2 +8 tibbers i just got a good enchant on kraken that why i am using kraken.
do you have a build guide for AA Runemaster?
Unfortunately my crit AA build is only for my pve or just for my weekly tasks. I am not confident on my crit build so I didn't make a guide. Haha try checking out other YT vids.
Noticed you have Enchant Blade lvl 10. does it add damage to DFS?
yes it is. it actually adds huge damage on dfs.
Do you have a spear/pierce build for RM? Coz I invested in this build. And want to know if it has potential in RM. Still in RK btw, and still thinking on whats best for my characher.
Thank you for the video, you explained it very well unlike other uploaders. !
More power in. Your channel
Sorry to inform you that pierce build is dead. Now the most common build is either magic db or aa on pve wise. Sadly even godly mora halberd/soul spear is not selling now...
Yeah, I noticed that this build is dead.. hahaha... such a hard truth to swallow quite invested in soulspear and floral chain though...
Thank you for your honest reply.
Hi, I don't have gacha headgears for stat ailment, is it okay to just put LoD card and 2 wraith star? Or should i just maximizing dmg output
this will be really depends on your preference. kabuto is really the best for utility, LoD proc rate is low. Able to stun crowds is already a big help in war.
@@NormanGamingPH btw there's this season MP headwear (Toreador Hat), do u think it has kinda same effect with kabuto? If combine with LoD of course
that hat is same as wearing 1 wraith star card. it still be better to have kabuto rather than that hat. LoD is 8% proc rate so with this hat + 2 wraith star, at max it will just be 8% x 1.75 = 14%
how much ignore def must have at pvp, mp, woe/woc sir?
Bro, buat for pray, what should we max out? Mpen? Ignore def? Ignore mdef? Im thinking to reset my wizard to cross to Runemaster haha
Theres any Skill that can do some effect on RM with Asphyxia? Or its imune to all skills?
How about guild prayer and blessing lods? Which ones are priority to allocate?
for the red:
pen, ignore def, damage to demi, matk, patk
blue:
mded, hp, m.dmg redux, dmg redux
yelow:
fire dmg, water dmg, dark dmg
Idol, does MPEN% will have an effect on MDB? Kinda confused on the description as it was Physical Dmg?
Nope. Imagine it this way: matk value is being converted to patk value. Other magical stats like m.pen, ignore mdef, m.dmg inc doesnt work.
Mga bossing s MDB anu dpt lgyan s yellow pray card? Ghost or Dark?
for mdb:
fire and water only
for dfs
dark
@@NormanGamingPH so even if death awaken is activated then there's is 100 atk on status ghost element wont affect the dmg?
its a typo, the 100 charge is dark damage. it only affects DFS and Abyss Arrival. regardless if you transformed or not.
@@NormanGamingPH I see, but why thus my damage increases when death awaken is active?
death awaken gives us penetration and the other passive skill gives us more damage to demi human. it also change our race to demon so yout targets demi human reduction will not work.
its a massive damage spike on pvp. use it every cooldown.
Hello sir, I am a RM also and just synthesized my Lance of Dragon Tamer yesterday, then I saw your guide today. How big is the gap of the two weapons and build? What are your insights about it? Hoping a reply. Thank you.
If you have +15 DH then thats the best but if +10 only the difference wont be that much. But +10 DH still slightly better than +10 BoR. I just like the BoR since i can play hybrid.
@@NormanGamingPH so if DH is +15 it will be the best weapon for RM?
@@NormanGamingPH Are you willing to sacrifice the Bash Effect for +15 DH? Or +15 DH is best for PVE/PVM situation?
Honestly no. I really dont like spears. Well if you didn't noticed i switched to ronin with +15 black flame sword. This is a simillar weapon to dragon howl. I'm really into swords only.
@@NormanGamingPH Is it because of the Bash? Or just for aesthetics? Last question, what if DH is a sword? What would you choose for your skillset? Bash|DFS or DB/MDM?
hi bro, just multi to knight, i plan to use bash / dfs, i am not into pvp but pve, do u think bash / dfs build good for mvp? thanks for the answer.
any build that is forced element will always be bad at MVP. this build is forced dark = dfs and fire water =mdb.
@@NormanGamingPH thanks for the quick reply bro
Why no headchrush?
lacking of skill points. you can go for headcrush at the cost of low lvl hp alight and frenzy. I prefer to have no headcrush at all. it's just 150 patk anyway.
how much ignore def you have here? also can u share how much dmg% u have in your handbook? tyvm for the informative video!
i have 140% visible ignore def + 25% hidden ignore def from Blade of Rage. so it is around 165%. i can stil improve it from my Prayers.
my deposit is 23% only at max during WoE WoC.
Was about to ask the same thing, Anyway, what is your final goal ignore def for pvp? Thanks in advace!
my ignore def pray still at 30 so i can still improve it by 5% then after that +15 rosa. so i can increase it by another 20%. that would be my final goal. i dont plan to use morale4 armor. i rather pick resistance on armor.
How are you performing on higher maps? Is DFS a viable option for farming? It being dark element is double edged lol. Can't perform well on 50% of MVPs, so going there what skills do you use for ET? Just MDB?
this is my pvp build i have separate crit build for MVPs and other contents.
will m.dmg inc enchants give more dmg to our skills?
No it will not work. Only matk% works.
What's the ideal ignore defense? Ty for the vid got a lot of information.
I really can't tell what is the ideal. It still depends on your guild enemies. Like for team Sun guilds you should have atleast 150% to maximize your damage. But higher the better.
@@NormanGamingPH nice thank you for yhe advice bro keep it up
Can i use this build to hunt mvp??
Canni see your aesir monument?
Not a good idea to use for mvp. My aesir monument already maxed each and every nodes.
@@NormanGamingPH should i use dragons tamer for mvp and 2 mino card??? How many gold medal to max the aesir monument??
DB build is not a good build for MVP since not all mvp are weak against fire element or water element.the best for mvp is crit AA build.
to max aesir you need around 3300gold medals
@@NormanGamingPH thx sir
Hi sir have you tried full DFS is it good for MVP hunt, ORA, ET, TTB, GVG?
it is fix dark element means it will be bad on some mvps.
@@NormanGamingPH I see but how about PvP and GVG is pure DFS not that advisable too?
Master bakit matk prio, for dfs ?
Check the enchant blade skill buff bro.
Copy boss mdb type pa kase ako ngaun, gusto ko rin try mag dfs kaya no need narin pala ako mag palit ng acc. hehe
goodluck lods. oo madali magswitch from mdb to dfs almost weapon lang need. pero if nka +15 DH ka na, mag pure MDB ka na
Meron +15dh boss,kaso panget enchat haha hirap maka tsamba ng morale 4 na enchant. Meron din ako +10blade of rage, morale 4 naman sya, kaya pag pvp, woe, woc mag dfs nalang haha, mdb nalang pag boss hunt hehe, btw sir sobrang thank you sa info nyo, laking tulong sakin hehe 😁
Sir last question po, oks pu ba yung tibbers saka ring of contract or focus lang sa matk ? May nag sgt kasi skin na roc plus 15 4th na sharp blade.
Hello sir. If i may ask. Is this build better that pure MDB? I'm kinda confuse on which build to follow. What are the pros and cons of this build. Hoping for your kind reply. More power!
if you have +15 dragon howl, pure mdb is the best. but if you cant afford it, this build is almost as good or actually better on certain situations.
I'm trying to save for +15 DH but it's too expensive. Can i follow the build eventhough i'm still a rune knight? Base level is 115 My job level is stil 65. And i still need to fix my handbook because i only have 500 plus atk and m.atk
well yeah you can follow it. but for lvlng puposes you can just do DB. there's a ymir book anyway easy to reset.
Yes sir for farming i'll use db but i want to make this my main build. Is this also applicable for F2P players?
f2p or spenders can do this build just replace all othet gacha items with whatever available thru exchange. but surely spenders will be totally stronger than you.
Sir question lang about deepen damage?
Kelangan ba kunin kahit meron ka na nung S-Rune with 3rd line?
Is matk can boost dark flame slash dmg ?
yes. it can but not directly. you need to use Enchant Blade buff first.
Gumgna b LOD card sir s kht anong card at eq n my effect nkapaloob dun sa lod card sir? Stun,curse,bleed,silence,poison?
Yep gagana. Like if nka kabuto ka, ung extra damage na 20% will work basta na stun mo target. Or kahit blood shackles acce will work also.
Sir okay lang ba gumamit ng ignore def items like rosa at ancient cape pag mag aa type na rk? pierce type po kasi ako and wala na po ata masyado nagamit
hindi recommended yang ignore def items lods pag AA. wala kasi use. iba talaga set equips pag AA.
@@NormanGamingPH much better po ba if ituloy ko nalang then soul gun build nalang for rm? may nagamit po ba non hahaha
the problem with soulgun build is no specific weapon to amplify it. unlike dfs (blade of rage), mdb (dragon howl) and crit (heavens). di ko masabi tol if mgging effective sa pvp.
Boss norman. Okay ba sa accessory isang Tibbers at Flame Ring?
mdb is super weird the skill says its water/fire but the skill icon is neutral, also once you freeze a target wont they be water element and as far as i know hitting water with water is bad also with combination of fire element as well lul; ._.
Is Hybrid more recommended than pure DFS in WOE/WOC and 6v6?
well for versatility, and atleast if they wear argiope card your dfs will suck, so need to have another way to do damage
@@NormanGamingPH i see thanks for the input
Bro can we no cast DFS or not that important to have cast time?
Yes we can next patch. There will be Breakthrough for 4th class
Hi sir, tanong lang.. okay padin po ba ganitong build until now?
Due to the current progress of journal this build is already a mediocore now.
@@NormanGamingPH ano na ba pwede sa mga sword type ngayon? Ang mahal kasi tlga ng AA na RM.. :(
bro, 1 question. DFS trigger double dmg using evil bracer??
Yes it will. As you can see i even recommended that offhand.
Bro, are you using your god's sword in your damage test with Kimwee?
no. doesn't. and that was also not full buffs.
@@NormanGamingPH Got it. Many thanks!!!
This build more to pvp rite? Can dfs build for pve?
yes dfs is more for pvp. if for pve it might be underwhelming. i have separate build for pve, which crit build.
Why using sword over spear dragon howl
Ronin class? The video said rune master and sorry for sounding ignorant is just that im might changer from battle ab to rune knight and theres a lot of diferents videos out there.i was just wondering why the naga sword over the spear that gives dragon breath dmg
im sorry i got mixed my videos lol. but the reason i didnt use spear is because this is a hybrid build. dfs of spear howl sucks.
Whats dfs? Im bad with abreviations my bad lol
@@chris4maysonet dark fire splash
This game worth it playing?
I need aesir build
Mamaw lods
Sir pwd po ba ung ganitong build for ttb/ora etc? Kumusta po dmg? DA main po kasi medyo wla po idea sa RM. Thank you!
Mas ok sir MDB gmitin if ttb ora. Or if meron ka crit build.
@@NormanGamingPH so if pve po mdb then dfs/mdb po sa PvP? Thank you po ulit 😁
for me:
pve or mvp best is crit rm
for pvp 3v3 or 6v6 crit rm then dfs next
for gvg then its mdb due to range and aoe skill
@@NormanGamingPH thank you po!
u dont use bash S rune?
watch the whole vid bro
Sir norman ayos lang po ba if morale 3 enchant ng blade of rage mo?
yes lods ok din yan
Sir may tanong po uli me meron po kasi me morale 2 sa armor morale 3 sa weap masmaganda po ba na mag evil bracer nalang me kaysa rosa o rosa parin po?
for me rosa pa din.
san galing yung +191 str bonus mo lods?
Mataas talaga bonus str ng RM lods. Yung iba from switch class unlock.
Lods. San galing yung +140 vit. 😭
From multi class lods. Unlocked ko all vit bonus.
hmm u can see MDB 171k x2 = 342k, DFS 300k. its almost same damage
2 yellow damage of MDB is just a visual bug. rofl.
@@NormanGamingPH owh its bug ?
i didnt know . ty for info
Best stat is for vit and int max.. rest on dex
nope. Bongun deposit and 3rd line of srunes has a bonus per point of Str. And i tried already many stats combinations. for dfs you should also have high str.
Aiesir guide na lang sir...
My question is ok to do ttb/ttl with DFS?
bad idea bro. dfs forced dark means its only good on 1f. but the range of dfs is short that makes it almost unreliable. MDB still better. or crit build the best.
Nah I think so. F3 & F4 back use mdb