@CoreyLaheyTrevor more than 1,000 white civilian women flew military aircraft in the U.S. And nearly 1,000 Black men trained as military pilots and flew in segregated units. After the war, airlines refused to hire these experienced women and Black men. Opinion Two decades later, David E. Harris became the first Black pilot at a major airline when American Airlines hired him in 1964. White women waited until 1973 when Frontier Airlines hired Emily Howell Warner. Black women waited even longer, until 1978.
@@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108You’re going back multiple generations ago. It’s 2024 dude. Grow up and stop obsessing over race and gender. We’re all people with different interests and skill sets. Gender and race have NOTHING to do with operating an airliner competently and safely.
@CoreyLaheyTrevor What happens in the past affects the future. By discriminating against non whites and women, white males became the face of airline flying. Meritocracy played no part in putting them there.
It’s been bad for a long time, so this is not the reason. It’s all part of DEI. This is what most companies are doing now because they get money for it. We have and we’re going to have even more unqualified people in these positions and other positions as well thanks to DEI.
Kangz, who is telling you that the black ladies they are hiring aren't aware of the salary structure in place. this is not 1950 Maharashtra state , india yanno
Notice how its ALWAYS anti-white. Never a compared to Asians. Never compared to the actual population...Phx is maybe 8% black. If this was filmed in Atlanta, she would find numerous black pilots training & employed at the airlines. Regardless, the $100k+ price for training & ratings combined with low first officer pay($45k) until 2022 means LESS pilots overall. Those that can do math, see better ROI by getting into IT.
I hear you....but grab a couple of beers and enjoy the entertainment that the future will bring once the diversity pilots graduate from flight school and land their first job as Captain of a 747.
As someone who has done all their pilot training on their own dime. The solution lies in subsidizing flight school and not allowing airlines to use bailouts for stock buybacks and executive bonuses. Flight school cost me around 50k to get to the point where I could get a job and that job only pays 30/hr and that is only for flight time. This does not include any setup or preparation on the ground. It is a very rewarding career but there are major issues when young pilots are working multiple jobs and eating ramen to support themselves while they fly in the early stages of the career. Also, end the 1500 hour rule and make it 750 to be a first officer.
Exactly! The corporate assholes are just trying to pay the pilots as little as possible. They are bringing in the minorities because they can pay them less, not because they care about black or brown people.
make college tuition free that'll make things easier and non white don't really have much generational wealth as white because of being screw of racism for years even black neighborhood got less attention than white one that lead to crime rate go up and add that lack of opportunity as business left when black move in destroying local economys and now these business want their money but their don't have as much wealth as White while representation matters but with the financial backing they'll won't go far
Not exactly. My dad is an airline pilot and according to him along with the stats from the pilot’s union the shortage is being caused by older experienced aviators aging out and having nobody to fill those roles. The problem is exacerbated because back when my dad was in flight school in the 80s it was common for airlines to sponsor students and give them jobs after graduation, but obviously that’s no longer the case.
increasing the pay doesn't magically increase the amount of people that can do the job in the short term, especially one as specialized and technical as being a pilot.
... or PAY THEM ENOUGH AT THE LOWER LEVELS TO MAKE THE EDUCATION WORTH IT! I wanted to be a pilot out of high school, but after talking to enough guys earning barely above minimum wage (remember, most airlines only pay from wheels up to down, not the hours of prep work); I walked away. I like planes, I like aviation, but I didn't want to rely on chance that I will *maybe* *eventually* land a job that covers expenses. A friend of mine that entered the industry at the time I was thinking about it only just started earning decent cash last year, after 12 years! Diversity, yes, but: PAY YOUR F*ING STAFF A WAGE THAT MAKES THE COST OF EDUCATION WORTH IT!
why should some low level pilot make more my dad was the reginal director of msp he retired as a cheif captin after 38 year should some fresh pilot make the same as him who was with the company for 38 years also my dad never paid for flight school he went to the airforce who then paid for his school my dads helping 8 people rn become pilots theres many routes of becoming a pilot my brothers roomate complaid to my dad that he wasnt getting paid enough at a company called endever the max he flys is 80 people and my dad told him straight up are u flying 400+ people? do u have over 10k hours of flight time? what sets you apart from the thousands of other pilots? being a pilot is hard for a reason like a surgeon u dont want someone whos inexperienced to fly hundreds of people and my dad grew up poor he didt have money to go to a good aviation school he joined the airforce and graduated top of his class which made airline company's look at him and he got hired at south west before delta bought them but dont get me wrong i belive depending on the job u should get paid more or at least a boost like 10k for getting hired just to get u on ur feet but i also belive u have to show it if u truly wanted to be a pilot u would have done every option to become one not just try to go to flight school the airforce is right there yeah u gotta serve but through the airforce u can get hired if u have 14 years of experience but idk who told u that a pilot job doesn't take a long time to make alot of money lied to u because u get paid by ur experience
Diversity/ minorities/ people of color. All these mean the same thing honey. It all means black. Stop pretending it’s “all people” of color. Blacks are the only ones who want special treatment.
Diversity won’t change anything. Pilot shortage? There is a lot of commercial pilots out there including me. The whole system is a Ponzi scheme. Let me explain. Almost all new pilots hired by the airlines are Pilots that build their hours doing pilot training as Flight Instructors. To get to 1500 hrs you would have to train about 5 pilots from zero time to Commercial with multi engine and instrument ratings. So maybe the are right, they need 5 student pilots to pay for every future first officer flight time. The problem with that model is that flight training is really expensive and fever people can afford it. It is time to change the system and lower the time requirements by putting new pilots with senior pilots to help them gain experience flying for the airlines. Airlines should be paying for this.
Na...I think the change should come in this way....White men have to have HIGHER hour requirements, but black people, especially black women, should have ZERO hour requirements after they get their commercial. I think the airlines should GIVE them those training hours since they be female...and blackety black.
@@jamesroberts3642I’m all for diversity. Im actually trying to become a pilot and a big barrier is the cost. But that’s like saying a nurse that has an associates should be counted as a doctorates
Honestly, just hire those that are best for the job! It doesn't matter what color they are, what sex they are, or what religious belief they are. I'll say it again: Just hire who's best for the job! In doing that you'll have your diversity! Oh one last thing, pay them all the same starting salary....... unless of course someone has years of experience to which at that point you can't b**** about it.
@@tuckerbugeater Everyone is constantly online and the media brings people's race into every situation. Making people notice race. Characterizing people based off race is what racism is; and media spreads it like wildlife
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You're right! If you are not conversant with the markets, I'd advise you to get some kind of advice or assistance from a financial/investing coach. I diversified my $450K portfolio across various market with the aid of an investment advisor and I've been able to generate a little bit above $1.2m in net profit across high dividend yield stocks, Etf and bonds this red season. For me, its themost ideal way to jump into the market these days
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You didn't watch the video did you? Lmao. What a weird conclusion to make. This is just a program that is helping minorities that can't afford the training.
Lol. Slavery in a different form. I’m sure they not training them for free nor will they be free to pick which airline they can work for after the training
The cost of training and all of the requirements you need to become a pilot are probably the biggest obstacles. Becoming a pilot isn't cheap, and the pay and working conditions are bad.
I just read a tweet from a 20 year commercial pilot that said he no longer allows his family to fly commercial because skill is no longer required to be a pilot. Only thing that matters is skin color, gender, and sexual preference. Gonna be interesting how the media tries to hide it when these unqualified pilots start crashing.
I paid $138k for my commercial licence and accommodation while training here in Australia. I was lucky enough to get a job straight after training finished, but will still take me 7 years to pay off. It's also looking like pilots wages are decreasing every year. The only pilots left who are getting trained currently are doing it for the passion for flying, not the money. Way more industries out there paying more for less responsibility and you're home every night with the fam & friends.
Absolutely. Check the history of major airlines in the US and reasons for not hiring a well trained and qualified pilot of african descent back when. I mean the Tuskegee Airmen were superb aviators but not allowed to pilot commercially. Smh
Right. Because no plane has ever crashed in the history of mankind with White men designing, building, flying, and maintaining them. I agree DEI/affirmative action is problematic and can be unfair but there should be a push to ensure everyone is qualified at the same level while diversifying, not a push to all of a sudden blame POC and women for issues in aviation (which is a logical fallacy and scapegoating). The issue of why DEI became a thing in the first place is much deeper and quite layered, but no one wants to talk about that. Also, training costs and resulting wages have been a factor. I've seen civilian pilots (who didn't go the military route) get all their certifications/hours and go broke, leaving the profession from trying to make a career of it after because the pay sucked and the pipeline to captain is rough. They can't afford to pay off their flight loans let alone their everyday bills. It's finally getting better but we have a ways to go.
as a pilot student myself, i feel like reducing the overall cost of flight training/typerating would be more helpfull. Dont´t get me wrong, diversity is good but i doub´t it will be the complete solution.
I am opposed to hiring based on race, sex, age, religious preference. Yet the airlines celebrate it as a victory when they do. What i am in favor of is the right person qualified for the job. Regardless of factors such as race, sex, religious preference, age. If the majority of the qualified applicants are white males, so be it. The thought behind my thinking is equality of opportunity. EVERYONE should have EQUAL opportunities. Companies are willing to sacrifice qualifications in an applicant in favor of racial preference and gender preference. This is prejudice and discrimination based on race and sex, and there are words for that. Racism and Sexism. Disgusting and backwards. should the public be concerned about race playing a role in employment? absolutely. the data is there. clear as day. when companies hire based on race and sex instead of qualifications, performance suffers. and in the case of an airline or the medical field, safety suffers. It also discredits the perception towards the hard-working minority men and women who are well qualified and deserve their jobs based on their qualifications. It is reasonable someone may ask "Are they flying this Boeing because they are the best qualified or are they flying this Boeing because they're a black woman?" although to ask that in today's political climate would be deemed as an expression of racism and sexism. In today's political climate to criticize the racist and sexist hiring practices of companies is considered racist and sexist by the racist and sexists themselves. I am a captain (pilot) for an American owned airline, and this is a worry to me, as my company has recently hired a person in a Diversity, Inclusion and Equity role. I am opposed to it. It is morally wrong. And it will kill as it already has. I have a suspicion our training department and standards department will have to put politics aside when training underqualified pilots--the last thing we want is another Atlas Airlines crash.
Especially when other people's lives are at risk. The left has so much blood on their hands it's crazy. Now they're going to have even more. Look at what just happened to United Airlines airplane almost plunging into the Pacific Ocean because the pilot simply forgot to turn on the autopilot. They won't release the identities of the pilot because they want to protect their woke agenda. So glad I don't fly anymore
Hiring diversely simply for diversity’s sake is insane. Pilots should be hired based on their skills and mental make up, not the color of their skin or their sex. Pay them a fair salary and the quality of pilots will go up. I applaud these young women becoming pilots. As long as they cut the mustard like everyone else and aren’t being hired just so the airline can claim diversity, they should make great pilots. I don’t think they’ll have any trouble doing it.
Are you really this obtuse? No one becomes a pilot without demonstrating the necessary competencies, many times over. The point of the current initiative is to ensure that women (particularly Black women who are only 1 percent of pilots) are NOT PREVENTED from becoming pilots due to biases in recruiting and mentorship and the financial obstacles associated with completing pilot training. It has nothing to do with preventing other people from becoming pilots
The Airlines are wickedness. Do not go and serve these criminals call Global corporate big businesses. Respect the pilot's strikes. Respect anyone that fighting for better pay.
I vaguely remember a slew of airline workers standing in a straight line picketing shitty working conditions and not good enough pay. Lol, employers can never do any real reflection.
As a black aviator, United is the last airline I’d apply to, last thing is need is being judged by flying public on whether I am competent, capable and skilled enough to fly an aircraft.
It would to see a more diverse pool of talent, but it seems the problem is that it is expensive to become a pilot. It seems the industry would rather just trick more people into going into debt. However a lot of commenters are making the assumption that these pilots are somehow less qualified, a qualified pilot is a qualified pilot.
That's vice for you trying to make everything about race when the reality is that not the average person can become a pilot without having the money and support to do so. Most pilots started out middle to high class income range. That's just the fact.
Of course it qualify pilot is a qualify pilot. The thing is if you have a list of 100 people that completed flight instruction and want to be the next pilot for this airline. Out of those hundred people there's going to be a ranking from one to 100 just because they all completed instruction doesn't mean they're all completely equal and had the same skill level. Some are going to be more qualified than others based on their level of skill shown while flying with instructors, their scores on tests which shows their ability to retain the information needed to fly safely. Their scores on the flight simulator showing their level of skill and know how when there's a dangerous situation or when there's a problem with the plane whether it be their instruments are malfunctioning or maybe the landing gear won't go down etc. How they deal with those type of situations in the flight simulator shows how they deal with stress and if they're able to keep a cool head and still remember what they need to do and those type of situations and their ability to act instead of Panic. Their ability to perform in a stressful situation is invaluable when it comes to flying a plane and being responsible for hundreds of lives. So out of these hypothetical 100 people that have all done the same instruction and completed the same training they're still going to be a ranking of 1 to 100 based on their scores and their skill level. Now let's say there's 40 black people out of 100 and 20 of those are black women. Now it's possible that all those black women rank right at the top of the list. But for this hypothetical let's pretend that they rank near the bottom of the list. In this hypothetical let's say this airline needs to hire 10 new pilots out of this list of 100 people. Let's also say for this hypothetical that these 20 black women rank at the bottom of the list. Like I said I'm not saying in real life they necessarily would they get rank right at the top but I'm just giving up hypothetical to prove my point. So let's say they rank at the bottom of the list. They have 10 jobs to fill and because of this quota four of those jobs have to go to black women. So now those four pilots positions are going to be filled by much less qualified candidates. Those positions should be filled by the absolute best most qualified highest scoring candidate for the job no matter what race or sex they are. This should be true for every job but especially when you were in a position where you are responsible for hundreds of people's lives on a daily basis. If there's 10 jobs to fill that top 10 highest scoring people most qualified people out of those hundreds should get the jobs. If the top 10 most qualified people on the list are black women then they should get the jobs. If the top 10 or a couple black women a couple white men and a couple Asian men then they should get the job. And if the top 10 are all white men then they should get the job.
Even United Aviate Academy expects you to have or take out $71,250 to pay for all certifications you will require, the private pilot course is free but that's it and you are required to do full time training 5 Days per week for at least a year with nothing stating if that's paid or not. This program is about as useful as their "subsidize your eco foot print option at checkout for $2"
Some folks have to sacrifice more than others. The program is great. I wish I could’ve went to The Aviate Academy. Unfortunately I also couldn’t make that sacrifice but it’s awesome for those that can. Student loan and pay it off when you get hired
It is awesome that they are finally trying to make their workforce more diverse, but it would be a lot more awesome if they weren't doing it because they would rather do this than pay livable wages
@@faxslaps5775 how are you superior?. Black are better looking and took over sports because they are more athletic, faster and are more interesting than you. I feel sorry for you
@@faxslaps5775 The standard of quality needed to be a pilot is not lowered at all. You’re not gonna get a job as a pilot purely on the basis that you’re a minority.
To even be eligible to be hired as an airline pilot you need to spend ~100k and several years in training and have an airline transport pilot certificate which is the highest possible qualification in the country. In other words, if you're eligible to be hired, you are certainly qualified, and certainly committed, regardless of your skin color.
Well, historically speaking, the young black male has been flying fighter aircraft since World War II. It is now time for the black women to make history as aviators. I'm not talking about them transvestites, either!!! I am talking about a real pilot workforce filled with black women keeping those planes in the sky...
Diversity isn’t the problem or isn’t going to fix the problem of pilot shortage it’s the cost of training and no federal help for finance also the 1500 hour of flight time rule doesn’t help at all it’s not diversification it’s the cost
I don't think diversity is the problem. If the cost of training was more affordable, I'm sure there would be almost not shortage at all. They should make apprenticeship programs for pilots or work out some sort of contract where the training is paid for, but in turn, the employee has stay for about 4-5 years
Maybe I'm missing the point here??...BUT Why the need to "diversify"...surely they should be just hiring PEOPLE who can/want to fly. By saying they need to "diversify " implies that previously they didn't?? ...so what they discriminated??!! HEEELLLOOO🤔🤦♀️
@@bloopityblorp6365 Not everyone, but only people whom passed all the courses and obtained the certificate to become pilots? Or are you inferring these people haven’t passed the required courses and obtained their certification?
This feels like really bad propaganda to attempt to convince Black Americans to become a pilot. But, when in reality this is an international field, and of course there are always opportunities for any race to become a pilot.
They conveniently omit the washout rate for targeting to a specific demographic. Not everyone is meant to be a pilot. Just like not everyone is meant to be a doctor or lawyer. Diversity isn't the issue, money is the issue. The cost and the wage, not the skin color or the gender.
The problem with the pilot shortage is 100% the time and cost to get to the point that you qualify to be a copilot in an airliner, and that has everything to do with the rules the FAA put in place governing the minimum hours required for ATP. A new atp pilot isn’t ready to fly in the right seat as a FO (co pilot) any better because of the 1000 to 1500 hr rule (depending on how you get your training). Remove the ATP requirement, allow 500 hr commercial pilot to ride in the right seat with a second in command type rating, so long as your captain has an appropriate time in the specific aircraft such as 5000 hrs in type. And allow atp 1500 hr co pilots to ride with 2000 hr in type captains. Then you could also discuss ending the mandatory 65 age retirement age for atp ops, and rely on the 1st class medical to weed out people who need to retire due to unfit health.
@@Russell_Huston it’s the way a lot of other countries operate, course those countries don’t require having a high time pilot in the left seat, just typed and their version of transport pilot.
So these airlines are willing to risk the safety of passengers because a certain demographics are more qualified than most and overwhelmingly chooses the pilot industry? Sickening.
Certain demographics 😂😂 What makes a white person better at flying a plane? You're just sad and angry cuz your race is going extinct and theres nothing u can do! Estimates are white population will be a the minority in western countries in less than 20 years ticktok ticktock
Financial barrier?? It’s too expensive? Only the rich can do it? Nope, I come from a family that was so poor we made poor people look comfortable. I, like everyone else had the equal opportunity to join the infantry (yes infantry), I saved my money, built a great credit score and had the will, and determination to achieve my goal of flying. It’s about how much you want something.
@@Cwhambone Your always going to come across ignorant bigots in this world that we live in, but one thing for sure is that stereotypes are slowly becoming a thing of the past. When your good at your trade/ skill regardless of your ethnic background, you'll always be employed and be in demand.
So long as the standards are kept and they're just lowering the "price" of the flight school, that's fine. But if they're forcing themselves to reach those 50% quotas, oh boy....
Let's be realistic there's not going to be enough black pilots to change anything we come from the lowest economic class in most situations we can't afford flight school so it's not even a option for most kids because they wouldn't be able to get in if they wanted to
In my opinion there is no shortage of pilots, there is shortage of ground workers. That's why this mess is happening, ground people were fired during the pandemic and have not been hired back. Ground workers' incomes are very low because companies only invest in pilots and cabin crews, so the few that were not fired are expected to work extra with the same wage. That may have worked in the past, but with the pandemic people discovered they no longer will work long hours with no conditions. There's more to life than just work. Only pilots and cabin crew and by themselves are not the airlines. A change in minset is needed in aviation.
We really shouldn't be playing politics with certain professions that require the highest level of education, training, competence, skill, and experience.
In aviation there is a concept called " sterile cockpit " is a safety procedure " to avoid loss of situational awareness. This is more critical when " close " to airport environment. Pilots should be very very focused on flying the aircraft , ATC ,Traffic,Terrain and clearances . We see here an interview in the middle of these critical moments . You can hear the ATC in the back and the instructor is doing an extra effort to look for traffic and separate her attention to the interview from the ATC instructions . Pilots should be instructed and induced since zero hours to create the habit of sterile cockpit . Situational awareness is a huge thing in aviation
Physics doesn't compensate for equity. Hopefully, they keep standards high. Moreover, while well intentioned, too much focus on gender and race may discourage some taking up the profession. Namely whites and asians. Some would see that as a plus. which is sad. As already mentioned by many, lowering the cost of training would do far more than seeking out a particular group of applicants. Make such jobs more accessible to all.
I want to know how this diversity will lower the probability of pilots landing safely with major in-flight emergencies, oh wait, it won't, it will increase.
Hiring inexperienced black people as airline pilots, because of feelings, rather than white pilots who are experienced and well educated, should be maddening to anyone of any race or sex. Now would be a great time to invest in the railroad industry! 🚂
The absolutely fascinating thing about this…..how the current generation of “young” (I’ll throw people in their 30 and even 40’s) pilots complain about 1500hrs and low wages…..as tho they have hurdles and sacrifices. Let me tell you, I was hired in 2001 at my first regional airline flying passengers for a couple of major airlines (Express, Connection etc), for $16.50/flight hr……all while having 1850hrs of Total Time and 350 multi-engine and having done an ATP rating in a Duchess….let that sink in for a second. The airlines BARELY looked in my direction. All that plus only making $20-$30k my first year! Over the years while a captain at the regionals, I’ve had furloughed major airline pilots as my First Officers…..again, think about that for a second (sacrifice, dedication to a craft from those just trying to keep the dream of flying alive). I’m sorry if this sounds unsympathetic to the “current” kids hoping for a airline career but in reality, the previous generation put up with a HELL of A LOT more…..all while the regionals kept pay low and work hours long, knowing they could because there was a guy/gal right behind you willing to do it for less! Listen, know I sound like old guy kicking kids off the lawn…..but rather, it’s perspective. It’s an amazing and wonderful career and should be pursued but it’s not given, not for a second! The dedication and commitment to the craft are essential. Yes, airline subsidizing are needed, appropriate pay and work rules are needed but an applicant needs to know, just because they want you doesn’t guarantee or give you a pass for a lack of skills. At the end of all that training, sadly I’ve seen and heard of regionals letting people go because they just can’t pass a checkride…..and that’s the right thing to do! Just because you choose this career, nothings given at the end. Dedication, sacrifice, situational awareness, training, skills, keep everyone safe is the foundation and necessity. Keep your focus and be humble, keep learning. I wish all the future aviators good luck on their career paths.
Excellent Post.. I am a 66-year-old female that obtain my private pilot license in 1989. I passed my instrument as well. Was going to college for an aviation associate degree at the same time and working. I knew that the road ahead was a long and expensive one. Learning to fly and to keep safe is a constant state of learning training and being vigilant. Not everyone can easily absorb the vast amount of information required to be a pilot and you also deal with the mini possible issues that can happen in flying. You can’t make many mistakes and you just can’t pull over to the side of the road. After careful consideration, I decided it was not for me. You constantly have to be vigilant. In the long run, I’m glad I stayed with the career I was in and did not become a pilot. Like you said, all of the experience is earned and it doesn’t come easy. Also for a pilot to gain hours can they be a good instructor as a CFI? As far as this video is talking about diversity, all I care about as a passenger is that the pilot that can do the job extremely well, because all of our lives are at stake. Airlines just need to hire the most qualified.
And when disaster happens, they will hide the pilots information…. We won’t know the statistics. Merit is not important when dealing with life and death and safety of passengers or patients anymore.
United airline pilots went on strike at LAX because their wages are from a 2016 contract that hasn’t been updated to the times, and there was no sign of anything changing anytime soon. The shortage is not because of lack of diversity, the shortage is because of the lack of wage. Also, flight school is not affordable. If they need pilots that badly they should be funneling the money into reducing flight school costs. I’m probably saying it more simple than it seems but.
no pilot group has been on strike in over 15 years. jesus. lack of wage? median wage is 175k/yr. the shortage is due to people dont want to be gone from home, i personally love my schedule and having 15 off a month while making over 300k/yr.
It's unfortunate that this article ignores the economics of being a pilot while brushing over the high costs, in money and time, required to become a pilot. As in many industries, pilot salaries have plummeted, as have their benefits. Airlines aren't interested in people of color now for an altruistic, egalitarian interest. They don't have a choice because the white males they used to recruit have left the field for better compensation. Missing this simple fact is just lazy or consciously negligent. The fact that no women in America make less per hour for the same work done by white males than Black women tells the real story as to why these corporations are excited about hiring Black women. The race and gender pay gaps in America guarantee profit increases when "white work" becomes "diverse".
Diversity is great but it’s not the real problem. It’s the cost of training. Now let’s think for a minute… if it’s a 95% white male dominant field then there would not be a shortage of pilots. The airline would keep filling positions according to these statistics. However , the drop in positions filled is due to another issue. Remember everyone dreams of becoming a pilot. Airlines would not have an issue recruiting qualified pilots if it wasn’t for the training cost! It doesn’t matter what ethnic background you are from. The cost of training is keeps everyone away from pursuing their dreams of becoming a pilot. God bless!
@@Cwhambone ? I didn’t But we all know the Lord Diversity leads to reduced training and certification in an attempt to quickly get to the correct percentage of X people on a spreadsheet
@@Cwhambone As soon as you add ANY selection criteria other than competence and character (skin colour, gender, ear size, horoscope...) , you artificially reduce the size of your pool of high quality candidates to select from. And with that you mathematically guarantee less qualified/competent candidates overall. This is an ESG box ticking exercise, which will allow them access to cheaper capital. That's why they really do it.
This won't necessarily solve the problem. The problem is that becoming a pilot is extremely expensive, not many can afford it. Diversity is good, but the shortage is due to the expenses and costs, and It's a lot more accessible for white people to become pilots because of culture and wealth. If you want diversity, lower the training costs. It seems like these companies are overcharging for the training and making good profits out of it.
Black people should not have to go through training. They should just learn on the job training for free. Let's get United Airlines to put-up or shut-up.
05;09 Bessie Coleman the first Black and the first native american american female pilot and to date Coleman is the only Native american female pilot ever .
@@barodrinksbeer7484 well then why are folk losing their marbles when its a black woman that's a pilot when your own sister has the tribe name on her piloting license
Basically lower standards for pilots compensated for by a more balanced skin colour among them. I can not acknowledge the competency of a pilot selected partly on the basis of skin colour. THEY need to check their privilege.
funny how the meaning of the words equity and equality are not mentioned. in an ideal world, everyone would have an equal opportunity of education, be able to reach out in the same way, and have the same opportunities of employment. Sadly that is not the case.. but regardless, the bar for entry should be the same for everyone to enter a particular field. especially one so critical. so the airlines out there looking for people of a particular gender, or race to fill roles.... is disturbing. this is societal problem. not a corporate one. The FAA should start by having a hard look at why the barrier of entry to flight training is so high, and if they are partly to blame for that. There is a LOT that can be done from a regulatory aspect to free up new technologies to lower the cost and increase safety of aircraft for pilot training. and other GA and EA.
Skin pigmentation and genitalia have nothing to do with being a professional pilot….
Then why were woman and non whites discriminated against?
They’re not. In most cases their careers are fast tracked. Good for them! Show me the data that shows they are discriminated against.
@CoreyLaheyTrevor more than 1,000 white civilian women flew military aircraft in the U.S. And nearly 1,000 Black men trained as military pilots and flew in segregated units.
After the war, airlines refused to hire these experienced women and Black men.
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Two decades later, David E. Harris became the first Black pilot at a major airline when American Airlines hired him in 1964. White women waited until 1973 when Frontier Airlines hired Emily Howell Warner. Black women waited even longer, until 1978.
@@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108You’re going back multiple generations ago. It’s 2024 dude. Grow up and stop obsessing over race and gender. We’re all people with different interests and skill sets. Gender and race have NOTHING to do with operating an airliner competently and safely.
@CoreyLaheyTrevor What happens in the past affects the future. By discriminating against non whites and women, white males became the face of airline flying. Meritocracy played no part in putting them there.
More like, Airlines are hoping diversity can be used to reduce overall salaries of critical employees and increase corporate profit.
Sound about right to me. Airline been around forever and now they suddenly give a damn about diversity?
This!
The Pilots union will fight that.
This is so true indian piolets get like 2000$ per month but other get 5 to 10 times more than this
@@pruthviraj5120 **checks cost of living in India** **checks cost of living in Europe** HMM
Funny how when business is bad, “diversity” kicks in.
That Part. Life!
ahaha facts!
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BIG FUCKING FACTS
It’s been bad for a long time, so this is not the reason. It’s all part of DEI. This is what most companies are doing now because they get money for it. We have and we’re going to have even more unqualified people in these positions and other positions as well thanks to DEI.
The shortage was because of low wages.
Now hire black women at the low wages ?
Ikr? Clown ish 🤦🏾♂️
That's how capitalism works. Don't like it? Agreed. People gotta join unions instead of just quitting.
Kangz, who is telling you that the black ladies they are hiring aren't aware of the salary structure in place. this is not 1950 Maharashtra state , india yanno
@@cancerino666 If this were really capitalism the airlines wouldn't have received billions in bailouts.
Basically…come on Vice
Notice how its ALWAYS anti-white.
Never a compared to Asians.
Never compared to the actual population...Phx is maybe 8% black. If this was filmed in Atlanta, she would find numerous black pilots training & employed at the airlines.
Regardless, the $100k+ price for training & ratings combined with low first officer pay($45k) until 2022 means LESS pilots overall. Those that can do math, see better ROI by getting into IT.
I hear you....but grab a couple of beers and enjoy the entertainment that the future will bring once the diversity pilots graduate from flight school and land their first job as Captain of a 747.
@@Fontenotcjf I'm more worried about the shoddy manufacturing, CEOs focusing on profit over Safety.
I'm fine with black pilots .
@@biscuit119because you’re ignorant
Why is a lack of diversity a problem? Nobody’s stopping anybody because of their race. What a ridiculous priority.
Diversity Perversity.....
Why is a lack of white males a problem?
DEI first, competency last. Thanks for letting me know which airline to avoid.
As someone who has done all their pilot training on their own dime. The solution lies in subsidizing flight school and not allowing airlines to use bailouts for stock buybacks and executive bonuses. Flight school cost me around 50k to get to the point where I could get a job and that job only pays 30/hr and that is only for flight time. This does not include any setup or preparation on the ground. It is a very rewarding career but there are major issues when young pilots are working multiple jobs and eating ramen to support themselves while they fly in the early stages of the career. Also, end the 1500 hour rule and make it 750 to be a first officer.
Exactly! The corporate assholes are just trying to pay the pilots as little as possible. They are bringing in the minorities because they can pay them less, not because they care about black or brown people.
make college tuition free that'll make things easier and non white don't really have much generational wealth as white because of being screw of racism for years even black neighborhood got less attention than white one that lead to crime rate go up and add that lack of opportunity as business left when black move in destroying local economys and now these business want their money but their don't have as much wealth as White while representation matters but with the financial backing they'll won't go far
Bro I don't even get chance to get pilot job even I already get CPL IR there more than 5k pilot that jobless in my country
@@Joe-sg9ll Your sarcasm makes no sense, he made valid points. You must be a miserable little man 😂
750 hr rule would only lower pay probably. I am ok with the 1500 hr rule.
There’s no worker shortage if you just increase the wage, magically the shortage goes away.
Silly
U soo smart
What do you think? They're hiring women and people color. They'll take the low wages. It's to help the "shortage"
Not exactly. My dad is an airline pilot and according to him along with the stats from the pilot’s union the shortage is being caused by older experienced aviators aging out and having nobody to fill those roles. The problem is exacerbated because back when my dad was in flight school in the 80s it was common for airlines to sponsor students and give them jobs after graduation, but obviously that’s no longer the case.
increasing the pay doesn't magically increase the amount of people that can do the job in the short term, especially one as specialized and technical as being a pilot.
That's nice. I can't think of anything more important to piloting an aircraft than the diversity of the pilot lol.
... or PAY THEM ENOUGH AT THE LOWER LEVELS TO MAKE THE EDUCATION WORTH IT! I wanted to be a pilot out of high school, but after talking to enough guys earning barely above minimum wage (remember, most airlines only pay from wheels up to down, not the hours of prep work); I walked away. I like planes, I like aviation, but I didn't want to rely on chance that I will *maybe* *eventually* land a job that covers expenses. A friend of mine that entered the industry at the time I was thinking about it only just started earning decent cash last year, after 12 years!
Diversity, yes, but: PAY YOUR F*ING STAFF A WAGE THAT MAKES THE COST OF EDUCATION WORTH IT!
Aka black people are CHEAP
why should some low level pilot make more my dad was the reginal director of msp he retired as a cheif captin after 38 year should some fresh pilot make the same as him who was with the company for 38 years also my dad never paid for flight school he went to the airforce who then paid for his school my dads helping 8 people rn become pilots theres many routes of becoming a pilot my brothers roomate complaid to my dad that he wasnt getting paid enough at a company called endever the max he flys is 80 people and my dad told him straight up are u flying 400+ people? do u have over 10k hours of flight time? what sets you apart from the thousands of other pilots? being a pilot is hard for a reason like a surgeon u dont want someone whos inexperienced to fly hundreds of people and my dad grew up poor he didt have money to go to a good aviation school he joined the airforce and graduated top of his class which made airline company's look at him and he got hired at south west before delta bought them but dont get me wrong i belive depending on the job u should get paid more or at least a boost like 10k for getting hired just to get u on ur feet but i also belive u have to show it if u truly wanted to be a pilot u would have done every option to become one not just try to go to flight school the airforce is right there yeah u gotta serve but through the airforce u can get hired if u have 14 years of experience but idk who told u that a pilot job doesn't take a long time to make alot of money lied to u because u get paid by ur experience
@@Its_Ghost and what do you do for a living?
The only way to increase diversity is to lower standards. Was true in every industry and will be true here.
100% true. Why not hire the most qualified and ignore the skin color? That is real antiracism
Training to be a pilot is costly
Bro this statements reveals much about how little you are
@@biscuit119 huh?
@@JohnSmith-bt7mz Your comment showscases just how fearful you are when those others dare to thrive
How can u complain about people saying you are there as a diversity hire when they are literally saying its a diversity hire?
Meaning, they hope minorities don’t ask for higher wages……
What "minorities"? You do know white people are the minority on this planet?
THIS!! ⬆️
Basically they want people who’ll work for no extra money
The airlines might as well hire day labors
🥱. Earn your place in the world. That’s the “talk” I had when I was younger…
Diversity/ minorities/ people of color. All these mean the same thing honey. It all means black. Stop pretending it’s “all people” of color. Blacks are the only ones who want special treatment.
Diversity won’t change anything. Pilot shortage? There is a lot of commercial pilots out there including me. The whole system is a Ponzi scheme. Let me explain. Almost all new pilots hired by the airlines are Pilots that build their hours doing pilot training as Flight Instructors. To get to 1500 hrs you would have to train about 5 pilots from zero time to Commercial with multi engine and instrument ratings. So maybe the are right, they need 5 student pilots to pay for every future first officer flight time. The problem with that model is that flight training is really expensive and fever people can afford it. It is time to change the system and lower the time requirements by putting new pilots with senior pilots to help them gain experience flying for the airlines. Airlines should be paying for this.
Na...I think the change should come in this way....White men have to have HIGHER hour requirements, but black people, especially black women, should have ZERO hour requirements after they get their commercial. I think the airlines should GIVE them those training hours since they be female...and blackety black.
"Diversity won’t change anything. " Yeah, I wouldn't go that far. Diversity will make everything infinitely worse.
@@jamesroberts3642I’m all for diversity. Im actually trying to become a pilot and a big barrier is the cost. But that’s like saying a nurse that has an associates should be counted as a doctorates
Yes yes! Hiring based off color and not skill will have a great impact on the industry.
But black pilots don’t graduate because they’re black. They go through the same exact training as their white counterparts.
Because they weren’t previously doing that? You live in a bubble
@@chocolatecuban Are you saying the airlines are raycis? LOL
@@tuckerbugeater Yes, they are.
@@kaya856 what's it like having a room temp iq? Not even one period used.
As passengers should have the right to ask - who's the pilot and what training they have -
Whoa!!! That would be racist....... Let's just let them perform their experiment and find out if their hypothesis is correct.
Honestly, just hire those that are best for the job!
It doesn't matter what color they are, what sex they are, or what religious belief they are.
I'll say it again:
Just hire who's best for the job!
In doing that you'll have your diversity!
Oh one last thing, pay them all the same starting salary....... unless of course someone has years of experience to which at that point you can't b**** about it.
racism is popular now
@@tuckerbugeater Everyone is constantly online and the media brings people's race into every situation. Making people notice race. Characterizing people based off race is what racism is; and media spreads it like wildlife
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So in other words they are only hiring and training black people because of lack of staff?
You didn't watch the video did you? Lmao. What a weird conclusion to make. This is just a program that is helping minorities that can't afford the training.
Yes!
correction.. black woman
Lol. Slavery in a different form. I’m sure they not training them for free nor will they be free to pick which airline they can work for after the training
Exactly!! Once again, the ex-slaves dependents bailing the U.S.again..
The cost of training and all of the requirements you need to become a pilot are probably the biggest obstacles. Becoming a pilot isn't cheap, and the pay and working conditions are bad.
Join the Air Force, they'll feed you, clothe you, house you and train you. Problem solved.
@@loununya9251 and what do you do for a living?
the pay certainly is not bad once you hit mainline.
@@loununya9251 It's not that simple.
@@travelingjohn69 I'll tell you what is simple, blaming everyone and everything but yourself for your failures in life.
ah yes, nothing solves an employment shortage like limiting the types of people you are willing to hire....
I just read a tweet from a 20 year commercial pilot that said he no longer allows his family to fly commercial because skill is no longer required to be a pilot. Only thing that matters is skin color, gender, and sexual preference. Gonna be interesting how the media tries to hide it when these unqualified pilots start crashing.
Interesting because the industry stats still indicate over 85% straight white men are the pilot majority.
Count on it
Only 4% of pilot's are black
How can you be an unqualified pilot
Is there a topic or issue that Vice can't find a way of making about race, gender or sexuality?
1 year after this video came out: airline accidents and near misses have skyrocketed
Flying has never been safer
@@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108 go back to Africa Jamal
Yeah and White men have caused most of it.
Nope but the manufacturing has been plenty bad though who you blaming for that
@@biscuit119 black & Mexican factory workers
Maybe we should have built more railroad infrastructure in America and then this wouldn't be as big of an issue.
We had more than enough but it was torn down for car highways
I paid $138k for my commercial licence and accommodation while training here in Australia. I was lucky enough to get a job straight after training finished, but will still take me 7 years to pay off. It's also looking like pilots wages are decreasing every year. The only pilots left who are getting trained currently are doing it for the passion for flying, not the money. Way more industries out there paying more for less responsibility and you're home every night with the fam & friends.
Damn
video title fixed "United Airlines hires black and brown women in order to keep wages down and boost shareholder profits"
So they’re admitting that they intentionally passed up people due to their race and gender in the past?
No. Pilots are striking. Rather than pay more they think POC will except lower wages for same work. Which is more racist actually.
Absolutely. Check the history of major airlines in the US and reasons for not hiring a well trained and qualified pilot of african descent back when. I mean the Tuskegee Airmen were superb aviators but not allowed to pilot commercially. Smh
Diversity pilot training seems very sketch. Please hire the most qualified pilots period!
Hope and diversity won’t solve anything the only way to get more pilots is to make training and the industry cheaper and more accessible.
Theres gonna be a lot of planes crashing in the next few years
Right. Because no plane has ever crashed in the history of mankind with White men designing, building, flying, and maintaining them. I agree DEI/affirmative action is problematic and can be unfair but there should be a push to ensure everyone is qualified at the same level while diversifying, not a push to all of a sudden blame POC and women for issues in aviation (which is a logical fallacy and scapegoating). The issue of why DEI became a thing in the first place is much deeper and quite layered, but no one wants to talk about that.
Also, training costs and resulting wages have been a factor. I've seen civilian pilots (who didn't go the military route) get all their certifications/hours and go broke, leaving the profession from trying to make a career of it after because the pay sucked and the pipeline to captain is rough. They can't afford to pay off their flight loans let alone their everyday bills. It's finally getting better but we have a ways to go.
not a lot crashes but what about that shoddy manufacturing you going blame that on DEI
as a pilot student myself, i feel like reducing the overall cost of flight training/typerating would be more helpfull. Dont´t get me wrong, diversity is good but i doub´t it will be the complete solution.
True for example Saudia and Flynas if you are ctizen they will hire you stright after getting your liscances
So they just trying to use diversity as a cover up instead of solving the real issue?
Diversity solves nothing and improves nothing.
Why is diversity good?
I am opposed to hiring based on race, sex, age, religious preference. Yet the airlines celebrate it as a victory when they do.
What i am in favor of is the right person qualified for the job. Regardless of factors such as race, sex, religious preference, age. If the majority of the qualified applicants are white males, so be it. The thought behind my thinking is equality of opportunity. EVERYONE should have EQUAL opportunities.
Companies are willing to sacrifice qualifications in an applicant in favor of racial preference and gender preference. This is prejudice and discrimination based on race and sex, and there are words for that. Racism and Sexism. Disgusting and backwards.
should the public be concerned about race playing a role in employment? absolutely. the data is there. clear as day. when companies hire based on race and sex instead of qualifications, performance suffers. and in the case of an airline or the medical field, safety suffers. It also discredits the perception towards the hard-working minority men and women who are well qualified and deserve their jobs based on their qualifications. It is reasonable someone may ask "Are they flying this Boeing because they are the best qualified or are they flying this Boeing because they're a black woman?" although to ask that in today's political climate would be deemed as an expression of racism and sexism. In today's political climate to criticize the racist and sexist hiring practices of companies is considered racist and sexist by the racist and sexists themselves.
I am a captain (pilot) for an American owned airline, and this is a worry to me, as my company has recently hired a person in a Diversity, Inclusion and Equity role. I am opposed to it. It is morally wrong. And it will kill as it already has.
I have a suspicion our training department and standards department will have to put politics aside when training underqualified pilots--the last thing we want is another Atlas Airlines crash.
Especially when other people's lives are at risk. The left has so much blood on their hands it's crazy. Now they're going to have even more. Look at what just happened to United Airlines airplane almost plunging into the Pacific Ocean because the pilot simply forgot to turn on the autopilot. They won't release the identities of the pilot because they want to protect their woke agenda. So glad I don't fly anymore
Hiring diversely simply for diversity’s sake is insane. Pilots should be hired based on their skills and mental make up, not the color of their skin or their sex. Pay them a fair salary and the quality of pilots will go up. I applaud these young women becoming pilots. As long as they cut the mustard like everyone else and aren’t being hired just so the airline can claim diversity, they should make great pilots. I don’t think they’ll have any trouble doing it.
Are you really this obtuse? No one becomes a pilot without demonstrating the necessary competencies, many times over. The point of the current initiative is to ensure that women (particularly Black women who are only 1 percent of pilots) are NOT PREVENTED from becoming pilots due to biases in recruiting and mentorship and the financial obstacles associated with completing pilot training. It has nothing to do with preventing other people from becoming pilots
You're literally missing the point
Are you saying non-white people arent as capable as whites
Sooooo just white ppl? Got it! 🙄
@@sharr630 Who's preventing them?
The Airlines are wickedness. Do not go and serve these criminals call Global corporate big businesses. Respect the pilot's strikes. Respect anyone that fighting for better pay.
I vaguely remember a slew of airline workers standing in a straight line picketing shitty working conditions and not good enough pay. Lol, employers can never do any real reflection.
As a black aviator, United is the last airline I’d apply to, last thing is need is being judged by flying public on whether I am competent, capable and skilled enough to fly an aircraft.
Well said!
It would to see a more diverse pool of talent, but it seems the problem is that it is expensive to become a pilot. It seems the industry would rather just trick more people into going into debt. However a lot of commenters are making the assumption that these pilots are somehow less qualified, a qualified pilot is a qualified pilot.
A qualified pilot is a pilot who graduated by merit, not because they were from a particular minority
That's vice for you trying to make everything about race when the reality is that not the average person can become a pilot without having the money and support to do so. Most pilots started out middle to high class income range. That's just the fact.
@@sloppymak9155 where is the disagreement?
Of course it qualify pilot is a qualify pilot. The thing is if you have a list of 100 people that completed flight instruction and want to be the next pilot for this airline. Out of those hundred people there's going to be a ranking from one to 100 just because they all completed instruction doesn't mean they're all completely equal and had the same skill level. Some are going to be more qualified than others based on their level of skill shown while flying with instructors, their scores on tests which shows their ability to retain the information needed to fly safely. Their scores on the flight simulator showing their level of skill and know how when there's a dangerous situation or when there's a problem with the plane whether it be their instruments are malfunctioning or maybe the landing gear won't go down etc. How they deal with those type of situations in the flight simulator shows how they deal with stress and if they're able to keep a cool head and still remember what they need to do and those type of situations and their ability to act instead of Panic. Their ability to perform in a stressful situation is invaluable when it comes to flying a plane and being responsible for hundreds of lives. So out of these hypothetical 100 people that have all done the same instruction and completed the same training they're still going to be a ranking of 1 to 100 based on their scores and their skill level. Now let's say there's 40 black people out of 100 and 20 of those are black women. Now it's possible that all those black women rank right at the top of the list. But for this hypothetical let's pretend that they rank near the bottom of the list. In this hypothetical let's say this airline needs to hire 10 new pilots out of this list of 100 people. Let's also say for this hypothetical that these 20 black women rank at the bottom of the list. Like I said I'm not saying in real life they necessarily would they get rank right at the top but I'm just giving up hypothetical to prove my point. So let's say they rank at the bottom of the list. They have 10 jobs to fill and because of this quota four of those jobs have to go to black women. So now those four pilots positions are going to be filled by much less qualified candidates. Those positions should be filled by the absolute best most qualified highest scoring candidate for the job no matter what race or sex they are. This should be true for every job but especially when you were in a position where you are responsible for hundreds of people's lives on a daily basis. If there's 10 jobs to fill that top 10 highest scoring people most qualified people out of those hundreds should get the jobs. If the top 10 most qualified people on the list are black women then they should get the jobs. If the top 10 or a couple black women a couple white men and a couple Asian men then they should get the job. And if the top 10 are all white men then they should get the job.
@@wickedliquid1177 quality threshold is probably lower if transporting cargo, rather than human beings
The Navy is looking for pilots. There’s your free training.
Even United Aviate Academy expects you to have or take out $71,250 to pay for all certifications you will require, the private pilot course is free but that's it and you are required to do full time training 5 Days per week for at least a year with nothing stating if that's paid or not. This program is about as useful as their "subsidize your eco foot print option at checkout for $2"
Some folks have to sacrifice more than others. The program is great. I wish I could’ve went to The Aviate Academy. Unfortunately I also couldn’t make that sacrifice but it’s awesome for those that can. Student loan and pay it off when you get hired
You can donations to help through the aviate academy if you have the correct skin color.
It is awesome that they are finally trying to make their workforce more diverse, but it would be a lot more awesome if they weren't doing it because they would rather do this than pay livable wages
@@faxslaps5775 Get out of my comment feed
@@faxslaps5775 how are you superior?. Black are better looking and took over sports because they are more athletic, faster and are more interesting than you. I feel sorry for you
@@faxslaps5775 The standard of quality needed to be a pilot is not lowered at all. You’re not gonna get a job as a pilot purely on the basis that you’re a minority.
Why is this awesome race should have nothing to do with it. The most qualified person should get the job.
@@mikehunt6160 99% of the pilots are white…so now they will be more diverse. Are you hurt??
The job should be for the most qualified and committed person.
To even be eligible to be hired as an airline pilot you need to spend ~100k and several years in training and have an airline transport pilot certificate which is the highest possible qualification in the country. In other words, if you're eligible to be hired, you are certainly qualified, and certainly committed, regardless of your skin color.
There's a pilot shortage because they forced them into early retirement during the pandemic. Why isn't mainsteam media mentioning that fact?
What about young black males 🤔
Cry some more.
Well, historically speaking, the young black male has been flying fighter aircraft since World War II. It is now time for the black women to make history as aviators. I'm not talking about them transvestites, either!!! I am talking about a real pilot workforce filled with black women keeping those planes in the sky...
They will be hanging out in the projects selling drugs sitll
Diversity won't solve anything, the company's are responsible for their own problems
I dont know about you all, but when I'm in a giant tin can 40,000 feet in the air, my main concern is how diverse the flight crew is...lol
One has to ask oneself why black Americans are the only people allowed to be openly tribal.
Hispanics too
Most people are tribal
Diversity is a trick
Because liberalism is cancer.
@@nrajdil >> Yes, I did say “openly.”
Diversity isn’t the problem or isn’t going to fix the problem of pilot shortage it’s the cost of training and no federal help for finance also the 1500 hour of flight time rule doesn’t help at all it’s not diversification it’s the cost
Of course! Diversity solves everything! Why didn’t I think of that?!?
pay for me to go to flight school and ill learn how to fly the things
I don't think diversity is the problem. If the cost of training was more affordable, I'm sure there would be almost not shortage at all. They should make apprenticeship programs for pilots or work out some sort of contract where the training is paid for, but in turn, the employee has stay for about 4-5 years
Would you like blacks flying your plane? Then shut up!
Maybe I'm missing the point here??...BUT Why the need to "diversify"...surely they should be just hiring PEOPLE who can/want to fly.
By saying they need to "diversify " implies that previously they didn't?? ...so what they discriminated??!! HEEELLLOOO🤔🤦♀️
We can pretend that everyone is equal, but trying to put that into practice 30,000 feet in the air is just a bad idea.
Why do you assume they aren't qualified
@@Cwhambone Because they can't make it based only on merit.
@@aoflex what? You still have to be able to pilot a plane...
@@Cwhambone and everyone is equally skilled at that? Camaaaan
@@bloopityblorp6365 Not everyone, but only people whom passed all the courses and obtained the certificate to become pilots? Or are you inferring these people haven’t passed the required courses and obtained their certification?
This feels like really bad propaganda to attempt to convince Black Americans to become a pilot. But, when in reality this is an international field, and of course there are always opportunities for any race to become a pilot.
I’m black this is ridiculous just select the best pilots I don’t care about race just find the best pilots period.
They conveniently omit the washout rate for targeting to a specific demographic. Not everyone is meant to be a pilot. Just like not everyone is meant to be a doctor or lawyer. Diversity isn't the issue, money is the issue. The cost and the wage, not the skin color or the gender.
Yeah... let's hire people by skin color. That will solve racism for sure!
The problem with the pilot shortage is 100% the time and cost to get to the point that you qualify to be a copilot in an airliner, and that has everything to do with the rules the FAA put in place governing the minimum hours required for ATP. A new atp pilot isn’t ready to fly in the right seat as a FO (co pilot) any better because of the 1000 to 1500 hr rule (depending on how you get your training). Remove the ATP requirement, allow 500 hr commercial pilot to ride in the right seat with a second in command type rating, so long as your captain has an appropriate time in the specific aircraft such as 5000 hrs in type. And allow atp 1500 hr co pilots to ride with 2000 hr in type captains. Then you could also discuss ending the mandatory 65 age retirement age for atp ops, and rely on the 1st class medical to weed out people who need to retire due to unfit health.
That could help. Sounds reasonable.
@@Russell_Huston it’s the way a lot of other countries operate, course those countries don’t require having a high time pilot in the left seat, just typed and their version of transport pilot.
Great idea let's hire somone based on thier skin color, not thier flying skills, nothing can go wrong here
So these airlines are willing to risk the safety of passengers because a certain demographics are more qualified than most and overwhelmingly chooses the pilot industry? Sickening.
last time i checked 99% of plane crashes are the result of favored non-diverse people. so we've been rising our lives all this time
Sickening that you have problems with black female pilots!
Why would you assume risk is higher with a black pilot. You are racist.
Racist
Certain demographics 😂😂 What makes a white person better at flying a plane? You're just sad and angry cuz your race is going extinct and theres nothing u can do! Estimates are white population will be a the minority in western countries in less than 20 years ticktok ticktock
you will get less quality pilots if you focus on diversity rather than flying skills.
as always vice thank u for fueling the fire
" diversity" doesn't = qualifications
Yeah that’s worked well. Look at the amount of accidents happening nowadays
Studies show that Diversity will reduce the amount of crashes due to pilot error because diversity pilots don't get blamed for crashes.
This makes me legitimately question when I see a black pilot - "Actually qualified, or diversity hire?"
Financial barrier?? It’s too expensive? Only the rich can do it?
Nope, I come from a family that was so poor we made poor people look comfortable. I, like everyone else had the equal opportunity to join the infantry (yes infantry), I saved my money, built a great credit score and had the will, and determination to achieve my goal of flying. It’s about how much you want something.
The perfect choice. Hiring someone for their gender or sex, instead of qualifications. What could go wrong?!
Aren't they getting the qualifications in the training program?
Pilot shortage also created by the airlines for firing them for not getting the clot shot
As a flight passenger, I do not care about the races of crew members. I just care about safety and courtesy. Equity is racist. Period.
Ask yourself honestly: would you rather have a white man or a black woman as a pilot? Exactly.
It is literally irrelevant. Why are you racist
White man.. because they have strong track record of experience and competency
@@YouFeudTV Lol!
Whoever is the most qualified out of the two, I'd rather have as a pilot! : )
@@Cwhambone Your always going to come across ignorant bigots in this world that we live in, but one thing for sure is that stereotypes are slowly becoming a thing of the past. When your good at your trade/ skill regardless of your ethnic background, you'll always be employed and be in demand.
So long as the standards are kept and they're just lowering the "price" of the flight school, that's fine. But if they're forcing themselves to reach those 50% quotas, oh boy....
They can’t maintain standards and get the number of blacks they want. They’ll inevitably have to lower standards.
Let's be realistic there's not going to be enough black pilots to change anything we come from the lowest economic class in most situations we can't afford flight school so it's not even a option for most kids because they wouldn't be able to get in if they wanted to
Most people period can't afford flight school.
In my opinion there is no shortage of pilots, there is shortage of ground workers. That's why this mess is happening, ground people were fired during the pandemic and have not been hired back. Ground workers' incomes are very low because companies only invest in pilots and cabin crews, so the few that were not fired are expected to work extra with the same wage. That may have worked in the past, but with the pandemic people discovered they no longer will work long hours with no conditions. There's more to life than just work. Only pilots and cabin crew and by themselves are not the airlines. A change in minset is needed in aviation.
We really shouldn't be playing politics with certain professions that require the highest level of education, training, competence, skill, and experience.
In aviation there is a concept called " sterile cockpit " is a safety procedure " to avoid loss of situational awareness. This is more critical when " close " to airport environment. Pilots should be very very focused on flying the aircraft , ATC ,Traffic,Terrain and clearances . We see here an interview in the middle of these critical moments . You can hear the ATC in the back and the instructor is doing an extra effort to look for traffic and separate her attention to the interview from the ATC instructions . Pilots should be instructed and induced since zero hours to create the habit of sterile cockpit . Situational awareness is a huge thing in aviation
Physics doesn't compensate for equity. Hopefully, they keep standards high. Moreover, while well intentioned, too much focus on gender and race may discourage some taking up the profession. Namely whites and asians. Some would see that as a plus. which is sad. As already mentioned by many, lowering the cost of training would do far more than seeking out a particular group of applicants. Make such jobs more accessible to all.
I want to know how this diversity will lower the probability of pilots landing safely with major in-flight emergencies, oh wait, it won't, it will increase.
Under the current US Supreme Court, how is racial gerrymandering in hiring, even legal?
No. Just no.
Affirmative action is unfair at best, and in this case it’s just plain dangerous and stupid.
Why do you assume they are unqualified?
@@Cwhambone
If they were qualified to do this then there would already be more of them. It’s the same reason you don’t see any black women physicists.
@@chudleyflusher7132 wrong racist
@Tommy Gunna touché 😀
Hiring inexperienced black people as airline pilots, because of feelings, rather than white pilots who are experienced and well educated, should be maddening to anyone of any race or sex.
Now would be a great time to invest in the railroad industry! 🚂
The absolutely fascinating thing about this…..how the current generation of “young” (I’ll throw people in their 30 and even 40’s) pilots complain about 1500hrs and low wages…..as tho they have hurdles and sacrifices. Let me tell you, I was hired in 2001 at my first regional airline flying passengers for a couple of major airlines (Express, Connection etc), for $16.50/flight hr……all while having 1850hrs of Total Time and 350 multi-engine and having done an ATP rating in a Duchess….let that sink in for a second. The airlines BARELY looked in my direction. All that plus only making $20-$30k my first year! Over the years while a captain at the regionals, I’ve had furloughed major airline pilots as my First Officers…..again, think about that for a second (sacrifice, dedication to a craft from those just trying to keep the dream of flying alive). I’m sorry if this sounds unsympathetic to the “current” kids hoping for a airline career but in reality, the previous generation put up with a HELL of A LOT more…..all while the regionals kept pay low and work hours long, knowing they could because there was a guy/gal right behind you willing to do it for less! Listen, know I sound like old guy kicking kids off the lawn…..but rather, it’s perspective. It’s an amazing and wonderful career and should be pursued but it’s not given, not for a second! The dedication and commitment to the craft are essential. Yes, airline subsidizing are needed, appropriate pay and work rules are needed but an applicant needs to know, just because they want you doesn’t guarantee or give you a pass for a lack of skills. At the end of all that training, sadly I’ve seen and heard of regionals letting people go because they just can’t pass a checkride…..and that’s the right thing to do! Just because you choose this career, nothings given at the end. Dedication, sacrifice, situational awareness, training, skills, keep everyone safe is the foundation and necessity. Keep your focus and be humble, keep learning. I wish all the future aviators good luck on their career paths.
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Exactly!!!
Excellent Post.. I am a 66-year-old female that obtain my private pilot license in 1989. I passed my instrument as well. Was going to college for an aviation associate degree at the same time and working. I knew that the road ahead was a long and expensive one. Learning to fly and to keep safe is a constant state of learning training and being vigilant. Not everyone can easily absorb the vast amount of information required to be a pilot and you also deal with the mini possible issues that can happen in flying. You can’t make many mistakes and you just can’t pull over to the side of the road. After careful consideration, I decided it was not for me. You constantly have to be vigilant. In the long run, I’m glad I stayed with the career I was in and did not become a pilot. Like you said, all of the experience is earned and it doesn’t come easy. Also for a pilot to gain hours can they be a good instructor as a CFI? As far as this video is talking about diversity, all I care about as a passenger is that the pilot that can do the job extremely well, because all of our lives are at stake. Airlines just need to hire the most qualified.
And when disaster happens, they will hide the pilots information…. We won’t know the statistics. Merit is not important when dealing with life and death and safety of passengers or patients anymore.
Unless it is a White person then it will be front and center on every newscast across the world
United airline pilots went on strike at LAX because their wages are from a 2016 contract that hasn’t been updated to the times, and there was no sign of anything changing anytime soon. The shortage is not because of lack of diversity, the shortage is because of the lack of wage. Also, flight school is not affordable. If they need pilots that badly they should be funneling the money into reducing flight school costs. I’m probably saying it more simple than it seems but.
no pilot group has been on strike in over 15 years. jesus. lack of wage? median wage is 175k/yr. the shortage is due to people dont want to be gone from home, i personally love my schedule and having 15 off a month while making over 300k/yr.
America, here comes your unqualified pilots. Good luck, bring your rosary.
Title says diversity but thumbnail shows black people there ya go diversity for you
i saw an indian but not bollywood indian. the Gori friendly type
Thumbs down, increase wages instead of hiring cheap labor.
BLACKS BLACKS BLACKS BLACKS BLACKS BLACKS BLACKS
Diversity won't help at all whatsoever.
It's unfortunate that this article ignores the economics of being a pilot while brushing over the high costs, in money and time, required to become a pilot. As in many industries, pilot salaries have plummeted, as have their benefits. Airlines aren't interested in people of color now for an altruistic, egalitarian interest. They don't have a choice because the white males they used to recruit have left the field for better compensation. Missing this simple fact is just lazy or consciously negligent.
The fact that no women in America make less per hour for the same work done by white males than Black women tells the real story as to why these corporations are excited about hiring Black women. The race and gender pay gaps in America guarantee profit increases when "white work" becomes "diverse".
You do realize that pilot pay for most pilots is at an all time high right?
wow. you clearly know nothing about the airline industry. the only sentence you said that was correct was the first one.
Diversity is great but it’s not the real problem. It’s the cost of training. Now let’s think for a minute… if it’s a 95% white male dominant field then there would not be a shortage of pilots. The airline would keep filling positions according to these statistics. However , the drop in positions filled is due to another issue. Remember everyone dreams of becoming a pilot. Airlines would not have an issue recruiting qualified pilots if it wasn’t for the training cost! It doesn’t matter what ethnic background you are from. The cost of training is keeps everyone away from pursuing their dreams of becoming a pilot. God bless!
I really want a diverse pilot. Not a safe and qualified pilot.
Why do you imply black pilot wouldn't be safe
@@Cwhambone ? I didn’t
But we all know the Lord Diversity leads to reduced training and certification in an attempt to quickly get to the correct percentage of X people on a spreadsheet
@@Cwhambone As soon as you add ANY selection criteria other than competence and character (skin colour, gender, ear size, horoscope...) , you artificially reduce the size of your pool of high quality candidates to select from. And with that you mathematically guarantee less qualified/competent candidates overall.
This is an ESG box ticking exercise, which will allow them access to cheaper capital. That's why they really do it.
@@Cwhambone yes because being around blaxxx isn't safe in any form or capacity
This won't necessarily solve the problem. The problem is that becoming a pilot is extremely expensive, not many can afford it. Diversity is good, but the shortage is due to the expenses and costs, and It's a lot more accessible for white people to become pilots because of culture and wealth. If you want diversity, lower the training costs. It seems like these companies are overcharging for the training and making good profits out of it.
Black people should not have to go through training. They should just learn on the job training for free. Let's get United Airlines to put-up or shut-up.
“As the pyramid gets smaller…” WHAT does that even mean? Word salad.
It's not supposed to make sense. Just nod and try to keep your head down.
I don’t care about what color or gender my pilot is. Who are the best for the job.
05;09 Bessie Coleman the first Black and the first native american american female pilot and to date Coleman is the only Native american female pilot ever .
Considering my sister who is Native American has her piloting license, thats just wrong.
@@barodrinksbeer7484 well then why are folk losing their marbles when its a black woman that's a pilot when your own sister has the tribe name on her piloting license
Basically lower standards for pilots compensated for by a more balanced skin colour among them.
I can not acknowledge the competency of a pilot selected partly on the basis of skin colour.
THEY need to check their privilege.
Planning on getting my license too. Happy to see this.
funny how the meaning of the words equity and equality are not mentioned.
in an ideal world, everyone would have an equal opportunity of education, be able to reach out in the same way, and have the same opportunities of employment. Sadly that is not the case.. but regardless, the bar for entry should be the same for everyone to enter a particular field. especially one so critical. so the airlines out there looking for people of a particular gender, or race to fill roles.... is disturbing. this is societal problem. not a corporate one.
The FAA should start by having a hard look at why the barrier of entry to flight training is so high, and if they are partly to blame for that. There is a LOT that can be done from a regulatory aspect to free up new technologies to lower the cost and increase safety of aircraft for pilot training. and other GA and EA.
i only fly white