Its just a copy And in Velvet room its just a copy of him too Real Yu would've just pulled out thunder god dance and wiped out Joker in one move,lol :D
@@babavanga5006 Well, I've played Persona 5 vanilla ver. Kaguya has her own exclusive bless skill, Shining Arrow (Light bless all foes, but 4-8 times). Imagine you can spam makouha that much. AND, YOU CAN BUY HER WHEN YOU REACH LVL 16, so you can be OP early on.
base p5 was seemingly missing a lot of things due to time restraints according to interviews, and those things were added in royal to compensate cause the team had a lot of ideas of what they could still do with persona 5 which makes me thin that despite atlus being really happy with p5 just coming out and existing they had a lot of loose ends they wanted to finish and im glad they did. base persona 5 itself doesnt hold up very well it just doesnt have a lot of features to help with grinding (not including reaper grinding) or persona building cause for some reason theyre limited to one per day and you cant cheese them like gallows. i do agree with base p5 does make royal look a lot easier cause base p5 is very different from royal in too many ways to list in a comment but i think royal is still better and still is as difficult as the vanilla p5 but the re releases of the persona series have always made the games easier excluding fes where it added difficulties and greatly rebalanced personas and changed arcanas around for personas, which is the standard for persona compared to other atlus games. royal existence makes vanilla look really bad to me at least cause of the qol changes and how much changes they did to the combat the personas, bosses, everything, i think its overall ive had a good experience with both but i think just royal is just way fucking better than base game.
@@rustygear447 Mighy Gaze allows shining arrows to do more damage and iirc can break the damage cap (which if Pagan Allure could I think it would be used over Mighty Gaze but it doesn't so)
Can you rank these 6 personas in terms of how good they are? Can include picaro versions Orpheus female Izanagi no okami Kaguya Yoshitune Raoul Satanael
i apperciate you asking and yes i can, if you have any questions about the builds i can tell you what i probably did to get them. satanael yoshitune izanagi no okami (picaro) raoul kaguya orpheus f (and picaro cause there isnt much of a difference outside of the skill she learns) my reasoning as for following is a bit random cause my thinking of personas differs from others, satanel trait lets you have 3 moves and basically makes it so you only need amp skills and no boosts, meaning you can have more slots for attacking and hes just a great allrounder that you can basically make him into anything for any boss or enemy, black viper isnt the strongest almighty move by any means but its still pretty strong and you can take off decent health bars with it. Yoshitune and no okami can really change place imo but just cause end game p5r has a lot of bosses and enemies that null physical, no okami kinda wins out EVEN with undying fury from zaou gongen on yoshitune, 8x hits and 3x hits are both very good in p5 as well so really it comes down to what you think but i think in general no okami is good for ng+ and getting to 3rd semester just cause even if you dont have max compendium almighty boost and almighty. No Okami Picaro in general imo just has a better way of getting skills onto him, and if you do network fusions correctly you can definitely get almighty boost and magic ability onto him without any problem, the problem with him and this isnt really a problem its more of a complaint cause its lore accurate but the world arcana doesnt get any boosts so leveling him up in the velvet room takes a while, hes a good ng+ persona is how i see, if you wanna get back to 3rd semester hes good for that but otherwise i think hes too cracked and is definitely one if not the best persona in p5r, yoshitune is there but i dont think hes as strong. with no okami as well he doesnt null light or dark naturally but with the newer ports you have the accessory to block light and dark naturally not to mention skill cards, meaning youll have almighty boost amp magic ability angelic grace and myraids truth, with that literally nothing becomes a problem, you can also run sae's auto mind charge accessory as well to just instantly end fights or even the reaper. raoul is kinda weird and same thing with kaguya but ill get to her in a moment, raoul is weird cause of his trait and cause you can get pagan allure onto him, but really i feel like if you arent doing a first playthrough his role as a persona kinda becomes redundant, cause satanel can just do what he does better, BUT if we're talking about special battles then raoul would be literally the highest tier just cause phantom show is really good cause of it being a dormina for every enemy, and i had to relook at what he learns but his first couple skills excluding heat riser and life aid are really good for him, he can be a buffer, attacker or late game aliment persona which is what fool personas are mainly for anyways. kaguya is kinda in a weird place for me cause i think kaguya is still really good but gets outclasses by no okami and yoshitune, 8x hits is a bit overkill even for p5r standards and if you make her at the time you can aka around madarames then shes really good but again 8x hits late game just gets outclassed by almighty and physical damage, if youre going full magic like i do for almost all my runs then i think shes really good but otherwise longterm ehhhhhhhh. Orpherus f and picaro are both very interesting cause she can very much be a good golden apple (golden apple is from smt5, its a skill that heals and puts up a full party heat riser) with Lakshmi trait, which extends buffs by 2 turns making a 3 turn buff into 5, but without stat grinding of any, she kinda falls out in damage output, i believe my normal orpherus f was maxed out in all her stats just cause i didnt like the idea of her being a buffer when i have party members that can do that, esp since at the time i was running in with auto personas + positive thoughts always put you at 5 turns heat riser with the auto ma skills, so with my playstyle she kinda became overkill with neo cadenza but its nice to have her just cause i really like kotone and i am a bit biased when it comes to her, mighty gaze and pagan allure does help orpherus really become her own persona just cause of how much damage she can do in normal shadow fights and sometimes even in boss fights. of course dont take my word as final cause theres a lot of way to builds these personas even if a lot of them are cheap, i personally just use what persona i like whether its cause of mythology like orpherus or cause of the character its associated with like satanel or raoul, and again the way how i see personas and how they work as a mechanic is very different from others who also do repel builds with undying fury with hassou tobi, cause i dont think making a cheap overpowered persona is what persona or building personas is really about i think its about player expressiveness, the more creative you can get the more fun you will most likely have. its like that for smt as a whole, ive been playing these games since at least 2019 so i have quite a lot of experience when it comes to builds and making good personas and just knowing which ones are good and which ones arent, but thats how i would order them again really any persona in p5r can be good if you put in the effort, even a pixie if you can build her correctly can be really good in the right situation.
I'd say the best is izanagi because it claps almost every boss and does the most damage with myriad truths while taking the lowest due to his trait as well as how I have both firm stance and enduring soul on it. Then I would choose satanael as it is a good choice for almighty if you don't have dlc and is generally really good overall. Next is kaguya strangely enough as although it doesn't always hit 8 times, hassou tobi has 3 problems. 1: 75 accuracy. 2: physical repels and nulls are sorta common later on or at least resistances. 3: hp cost. Shining arrows won't hit all 8 times but won't miss or harm Joker. Next is yoshitune because hassou tobi being the 2nd strongest spell and 3rd best attacking spell(imo). Next is raoul as sleep if enemies aren't immune can be a game changing. Last place will be orpheus which can swap if you don't have a passive buff build for a persona as neo cadenza's effects can be mimicked with the auto matura skills but tbh it is really helpful but I guess using neo cadenza when the buff wears off is a use. In terms of casual play it is above raoul and even yoshitune as a team heat riser and 50% hp recovery is insane for the level you get the persona. Btw the passive signature of satanael increases above the usual cap. The 2 dlc personas I've used for my 2 playthroughs the second I haven't finished are kaguya picaro and orpheus female and orpheus made okumura strangely easy.
Hey, p5royal killed your yoshitsune build, I used angelic grace + ali dance on mine in golden too, but in royal they dont stack. Better to do a full drain one
I don't like the drain yoshtiune cause it's lame as fuck in a game that has an unbalanced late game. If I wanted to do hassou tobi spam or any other moves that are broken and multi hit I would do that, but I don't. I only ever keep those personas for testing them to make sure the build works and then I dismiss them after. I mainly kept ali dance there as a filler move cause I didn't know what else to use at the time and it'll probably stay there cause I don't care enough to fix it. Yoshtiune is already strong enough with it so I don't see a problem with keeping it. I appreciate your recommendation and you telling me that ali dance and angelic grace don't stack but I don't need the advice and or a drain yoshtiune build that most players use cause they would rather use a build that utterly breaks the game and all difficulty cause the game mechanics allow it, I don't find it very creative. I don't like how persona fans/players act like it's an alright thing to do a build like that and force it onto others, I'm not one to wanna use that cause it ruins all difficulty and you should be mindful of that too. Again to say what I said at the start of this reply, it's lame as fuck to use drain all yoshtiune build and any other builds you can drain all and or even null all, and I don't find any appeal or satisfaction in using that. Nulling weaknesses/natural immunities is good enough for P5R Ng+.
@@Naomifresh yeah, that's totally fair, I thought you just didn't know, since I found this out a few weeks ago. It is a single player game and the challenge of the game ends up being what you make of it, since you can break it apart.
@@Naomifresh Finally, I found someone in this community who thinks like me lol. Even on the hardest difficulties, the Persona games aren't hard anyway. It's way too overkill to create invincible personas. Sure, it looks "cool", but it removes all the fun from the game. It hit me when I made a Helel that absorbs all damage in P4G and realized I can just leave all battles on auto-battle because I literally cannot die unless all enemies spam almighty attacks which is very unlikely. It's more fun to do dodge builds if you don't wanna cheese the game and make them braindead. Coolness > efficiency.
@@Naomifreshdude how much time did take to you to make a perfect 99stat almighty build on a FRICKING PIXIE. I took me like 10 hours to do it on a satanael
@@jorgexd8385 for stat building you need fortune's ramk 8 ability 'celestial reading' to get alarms and you need ryuji's rank 7 ability insta kill, and then you go to the first floor of mementos kill two shadows with ryujis instant kill and go back to the velvet room, fuse those two personas and then use the guillotine on the persona you made and then the one you wanna stat grind with, itll always result in an accident and your stats will go up and it didnt take me long, it took me around 45 minutes to an hour to do it, stat grinding takes a lot of time but it is worth it if anything getting skills onto pixie since its random inheritance was harder, i needed magic ability, almighty boost and amp from network fusion's random inheritance or from izanagi no okami picaro, magic ability is by hard the hardest one to get and it did take me some time to get it but if youre doing a ng playthrough you should be using the network everyday when you unlock it to get one of those 3 skills reloading your save also works for trying to get network skills you need, you can also try to get lucky by other people personas on network fusion cause i believe thats how i got magic ability and victory cry onto my athena when i was first playing. but in general the thats the gist of how i did it and the amount of time it took me probably a hour or so to get the skills and for 99 magic i think i used jokers ultimate gun to get 15+ magic and then did the stat grinding method i mentioned, but it does vary cause its random so
@@Naomifresh nono i know how the process is made. Maybe u didnt notice i said it but i have a satanael withcfull 99 stats. I just found fucking amazing your patience for doing it on a silly pixie lmaoo
I don't need magic ability for a primarily physical persona, the magic izanagi is for knockdowns. If I wanted a magic izanagi I would've changed out charge for magic ability and thunder reign for thunder boost and gotten rid of power charge for mind charge. Unless you're talking about an different persona, you bringing up magic ability is pointless for this build.
@@yooskkitagawa you shouldve specified then. Either way I don't need magic ability for her cause bless amp + boost + mind charge is already enough damage to kill most enemies. it would just be over kill
Betrayed by his own persona
Its just a copy
And in Velvet room its just a copy of him too
Real Yu would've just pulled out thunder god dance and wiped out Joker in one move,lol :D
@@skell6134 while makoto just use ammegadon
@@SayuAriana Welp,i guess yeah
Trust No One, Not Even Yourself
Betrayed by 20$ dlc
the almighty build on the pixie... i love it
Thank you, I built it after her nocturne version of herself even though in nocturne she gets 3 other skills
the hardtype pixie...
Just wanted to say that kaguya is one of the coolest personas and my main fr fr
Kaguya is really good and one of the coolest personas added to p4g and p5r (and vanilla)
Just a shame she's really broken
@@Naomifresh wdym broken
@@babavanga5006 Well, I've played Persona 5 vanilla ver. Kaguya has her own exclusive bless skill, Shining Arrow (Light bless all foes, but 4-8 times). Imagine you can spam makouha that much. AND, YOU CAN BUY HER WHEN YOU REACH LVL 16, so you can be OP early on.
@@babavanga5006 you must not see the repel all kaguya
@@the.astromeda I also think that her Phys damage reflection is pretty op, you literally can one shot most of the bosses with their own attack
I thought when he blocked that it would cut to myriad truths.
She* and yeah i could've but its way more fun to use actual moves that dont cheese the boss and or the entire game.
Cross Slash is literally my favorite move
Shout Out to Goth Girl Orpheus in the Beginning. I Love that Picaro Design
Man, I didn't know that Maria was in P5R.
you get her for maxing out faith 👍
Cool PFP.
Thank you Glyphid Bulk Detonator you have a cool one as well 👍👍👍
Imagine using izanagi picaro and saying, “HAH, MINE IS *RED* “
which brand would you like?
mine's better
mine's better
*crit*
So it's the same type of Persona as Izanagi.
"My gun is bigger than yours"
Adachi
I love having a orth pic with neo cad
Its especially fun when you fuse It yourself!
Going back to base persona 5 making me realize how easy Royal is
base p5 was seemingly missing a lot of things due to time restraints according to interviews, and those things were added in royal to compensate cause the team had a lot of ideas of what they could still do with persona 5 which makes me thin that despite atlus being really happy with p5 just coming out and existing they had a lot of loose ends they wanted to finish and im glad they did. base persona 5 itself doesnt hold up very well it just doesnt have a lot of features to help with grinding (not including reaper grinding) or persona building cause for some reason theyre limited to one per day and you cant cheese them like gallows. i do agree with base p5 does make royal look a lot easier cause base p5 is very different from royal in too many ways to list in a comment but i think royal is still better and still is as difficult as the vanilla p5 but the re releases of the persona series have always made the games easier excluding fes where it added difficulties and greatly rebalanced personas and changed arcanas around for personas, which is the standard for persona compared to other atlus games. royal existence makes vanilla look really bad to me at least cause of the qol changes and how much changes they did to the combat the personas, bosses, everything, i think its overall ive had a good experience with both but i think just royal is just way fucking better than base game.
and thats why royal is fun :3
my izanagi could walk right through the door
Wait why do you have skillful technique imstead of mighty gaze on Kaguya?*
I messed up my build and wasn't able to get mighty gaze on her (sadly)
@@Naomifresh truly unfortunate
Why not have inviolable beauty and get the bosses to kill themselves
@@rustygear447 Mighy Gaze allows shining arrows to do more damage and iirc can break the damage cap (which if Pagan Allure could I think it would be used over Mighty Gaze but it doesn't so)
@@marx67 but bosses killing themselves is more fun
Can you rank these 6 personas in terms of how good they are? Can include picaro versions
Orpheus female
Izanagi no okami
Kaguya
Yoshitune
Raoul
Satanael
i apperciate you asking and yes i can, if you have any questions about the builds i can tell you what i probably did to get them.
satanael
yoshitune
izanagi no okami (picaro)
raoul
kaguya
orpheus f (and picaro cause there isnt much of a difference outside of the skill she learns)
my reasoning as for following is a bit random cause my thinking of personas differs from others, satanel trait lets you have 3 moves and basically makes it so you only need amp skills and no boosts, meaning you can have more slots for attacking and hes just a great allrounder that you can basically make him into anything for any boss or enemy, black viper isnt the strongest almighty move by any means but its still pretty strong and you can take off decent health bars with it. Yoshitune and no okami can really change place imo but just cause end game p5r has a lot of bosses and enemies that null physical, no okami kinda wins out EVEN with undying fury from zaou gongen on yoshitune, 8x hits and 3x hits are both very good in p5 as well so really it comes down to what you think but i think in general no okami is good for ng+ and getting to 3rd semester just cause even if you dont have max compendium almighty boost and almighty. No Okami Picaro in general imo just has a better way of getting skills onto him, and if you do network fusions correctly you can definitely get almighty boost and magic ability onto him without any problem, the problem with him and this isnt really a problem its more of a complaint cause its lore accurate but the world arcana doesnt get any boosts so leveling him up in the velvet room takes a while, hes a good ng+ persona is how i see, if you wanna get back to 3rd semester hes good for that but otherwise i think hes too cracked and is definitely one if not the best persona in p5r, yoshitune is there but i dont think hes as strong. with no okami as well he doesnt null light or dark naturally but with the newer ports you have the accessory to block light and dark naturally not to mention skill cards, meaning youll have almighty boost amp magic ability angelic grace and myraids truth, with that literally nothing becomes a problem, you can also run sae's auto mind charge accessory as well to just instantly end fights or even the reaper. raoul is kinda weird and same thing with kaguya but ill get to her in a moment, raoul is weird cause of his trait and cause you can get pagan allure onto him, but really i feel like if you arent doing a first playthrough his role as a persona kinda becomes redundant, cause satanel can just do what he does better, BUT if we're talking about special battles then raoul would be literally the highest tier just cause phantom show is really good cause of it being a dormina for every enemy, and i had to relook at what he learns but his first couple skills excluding heat riser and life aid are really good for him, he can be a buffer, attacker or late game aliment persona which is what fool personas are mainly for anyways. kaguya is kinda in a weird place for me cause i think kaguya is still really good but gets outclasses by no okami and yoshitune, 8x hits is a bit overkill even for p5r standards and if you make her at the time you can aka around madarames then shes really good but again 8x hits late game just gets outclassed by almighty and physical damage, if youre going full magic like i do for almost all my runs then i think shes really good but otherwise longterm ehhhhhhhh. Orpherus f and picaro are both very interesting cause she can very much be a good golden apple (golden apple is from smt5, its a skill that heals and puts up a full party heat riser) with Lakshmi trait, which extends buffs by 2 turns making a 3 turn buff into 5, but without stat grinding of any, she kinda falls out in damage output, i believe my normal orpherus f was maxed out in all her stats just cause i didnt like the idea of her being a buffer when i have party members that can do that, esp since at the time i was running in with auto personas + positive thoughts always put you at 5 turns heat riser with the auto ma skills, so with my playstyle she kinda became overkill with neo cadenza but its nice to have her just cause i really like kotone and i am a bit biased when it comes to her, mighty gaze and pagan allure does help orpherus really become her own persona just cause of how much damage she can do in normal shadow fights and sometimes even in boss fights.
of course dont take my word as final cause theres a lot of way to builds these personas even if a lot of them are cheap, i personally just use what persona i like whether its cause of mythology like orpherus or cause of the character its associated with like satanel or raoul, and again the way how i see personas and how they work as a mechanic is very different from others who also do repel builds with undying fury with hassou tobi, cause i dont think making a cheap overpowered persona is what persona or building personas is really about i think its about player expressiveness, the more creative you can get the more fun you will most likely have. its like that for smt as a whole, ive been playing these games since at least 2019 so i have quite a lot of experience when it comes to builds and making good personas and just knowing which ones are good and which ones arent, but thats how i would order them again really any persona in p5r can be good if you put in the effort, even a pixie if you can build her correctly can be really good in the right situation.
I'd say the best is izanagi because it claps almost every boss and does the most damage with myriad truths while taking the lowest due to his trait as well as how I have both firm stance and enduring soul on it. Then I would choose satanael as it is a good choice for almighty if you don't have dlc and is generally really good overall. Next is kaguya strangely enough as although it doesn't always hit 8 times, hassou tobi has 3 problems. 1: 75 accuracy. 2: physical repels and nulls are sorta common later on or at least resistances. 3: hp cost. Shining arrows won't hit all 8 times but won't miss or harm Joker. Next is yoshitune because hassou tobi being the 2nd strongest spell and 3rd best attacking spell(imo). Next is raoul as sleep if enemies aren't immune can be a game changing. Last place will be orpheus which can swap if you don't have a passive buff build for a persona as neo cadenza's effects can be mimicked with the auto matura skills but tbh it is really helpful but I guess using neo cadenza when the buff wears off is a use. In terms of casual play it is above raoul and even yoshitune as a team heat riser and 50% hp recovery is insane for the level you get the persona. Btw the passive signature of satanael increases above the usual cap. The 2 dlc personas I've used for my 2 playthroughs the second I haven't finished are kaguya picaro and orpheus female and orpheus made okumura strangely easy.
Wtf, how is the persona 4 guy in persona 5?
royal added dlc where you can fight him
refroomfie banger... heart this comment bestie!!!!!!!
I did it boss🧐
@@Naomifresh thank you oomfie
Hey, p5royal killed your yoshitsune build, I used angelic grace + ali dance on mine in golden too, but in royal they dont stack. Better to do a full drain one
I don't like the drain yoshtiune cause it's lame as fuck in a game that has an unbalanced late game. If I wanted to do hassou tobi spam or any other moves that are broken and multi hit I would do that, but I don't. I only ever keep those personas for testing them to make sure the build works and then I dismiss them after. I mainly kept ali dance there as a filler move cause I didn't know what else to use at the time and it'll probably stay there cause I don't care enough to fix it. Yoshtiune is already strong enough with it so I don't see a problem with keeping it. I appreciate your recommendation and you telling me that ali dance and angelic grace don't stack but I don't need the advice and or a drain yoshtiune build that most players use cause they would rather use a build that utterly breaks the game and all difficulty cause the game mechanics allow it, I don't find it very creative. I don't like how persona fans/players act like it's an alright thing to do a build like that and force it onto others, I'm not one to wanna use that cause it ruins all difficulty and you should be mindful of that too. Again to say what I said at the start of this reply, it's lame as fuck to use drain all yoshtiune build and any other builds you can drain all and or even null all, and I don't find any appeal or satisfaction in using that. Nulling weaknesses/natural immunities is good enough for P5R Ng+.
@@Naomifresh yeah, that's totally fair, I thought you just didn't know, since I found this out a few weeks ago. It is a single player game and the challenge of the game ends up being what you make of it, since you can break it apart.
@@Naomifresh Finally, I found someone in this community who thinks like me lol.
Even on the hardest difficulties, the Persona games aren't hard anyway. It's way too overkill to create invincible personas. Sure, it looks "cool", but it removes all the fun from the game. It hit me when I made a Helel that absorbs all damage in P4G and realized I can just leave all battles on auto-battle because I literally cannot die unless all enemies spam almighty attacks which is very unlikely.
It's more fun to do dodge builds if you don't wanna cheese the game and make them braindead. Coolness > efficiency.
The pixie💀
is there something wrong with my pixie
hop off the goat.
@@Naomifreshdude how much time did take to you to make a perfect 99stat almighty build on a FRICKING PIXIE. I took me like 10 hours to do it on a satanael
@@jorgexd8385 for stat building you need fortune's ramk 8 ability 'celestial reading' to get alarms and you need ryuji's rank 7 ability insta kill, and then you go to the first floor of mementos kill two shadows with ryujis instant kill and go back to the velvet room, fuse those two personas and then use the guillotine on the persona you made and then the one you wanna stat grind with, itll always result in an accident and your stats will go up
and it didnt take me long, it took me around 45 minutes to an hour to do it, stat grinding takes a lot of time but it is worth it if anything getting skills onto pixie since its random inheritance was harder, i needed magic ability, almighty boost and amp from network fusion's random inheritance or from izanagi no okami picaro, magic ability is by hard the hardest one to get and it did take me some time to get it but if youre doing a ng playthrough you should be using the network everyday when you unlock it to get one of those 3 skills reloading your save also works for trying to get network skills you need, you can also try to get lucky by other people personas on network fusion cause i believe thats how i got magic ability and victory cry onto my athena when i was first playing. but in general the thats the gist of how i did it and the amount of time it took me probably a hour or so to get the skills and for 99 magic i think i used jokers ultimate gun to get 15+ magic and then did the stat grinding method i mentioned, but it does vary cause its random so
@@Naomifresh nono i know how the process is made. Maybe u didnt notice i said it but i have a satanael withcfull 99 stats. I just found fucking amazing your patience for doing it on a silly pixie lmaoo
Lmao 😂
Kaguya>
doesnt matter uncle ben both are cool in their own right
hi naomi
hey handsome
@@Naomifresh WOAG.... blushes
@@babymetaI i love you
@@Naomifresh i want youy
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Missing Magic Ability
I don't need magic ability for a primarily physical persona, the magic izanagi is for knockdowns. If I wanted a magic izanagi I would've changed out charge for magic ability and thunder reign for thunder boost and gotten rid of power charge for mind charge. Unless you're talking about an different persona, you bringing up magic ability is pointless for this build.
@@Naomifresh I was talking about Kaguya
@@yooskkitagawa you shouldve specified then. Either way I don't need magic ability for her cause bless amp + boost + mind charge is already enough damage to kill most enemies.
it would just be over kill
The disrespect