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Welcome to the party, spent the last 2 decades plus trying to say how much it adds in the forums so we could get proper support, wasting my time trying to explain to those who never tried it and can't understand what it brings to the party. Wait until you try those aircraft where you feel the air build up under the wing and start to give lift, transforms how it feels compared to real life in lighter aircraft, you really can feel it. Been using FFB since the first gen Microsoft FFB, now got the Rhino which is simply awesome tbh.
@@PhantomMark Oh awesome! :) And yeah, couldn't agree more with you!! Totally transformational experience! hopefully now if more and more people buy these things, ED will have to start giving up proper FFB support and profiles for each module!
@@fa-ajn9881 I don't honestly know the answers to your question, but I run 40% max on the Rhino and its very firm already, I can't actually remember what the specs were sorry, it was a massive upgrade from my old modded Microsoft FFB2 tho :D
@@CommandT I fly FFB since Microsoft Sidewinder FF PRO, had several FF Precision2 and FF PRO2. Having HOTAS replicas is another spectrum of joy, so I had to create my FFB for it (Hornet and Warthog). It is only 1/3 of price of FFBeast (BOM). Someday I will share it, along with FFB pedals and "load-cell" cougar mod.
Amazing, I fully agree with you on FFB. Wait until you try the Ka-50 if you haven't already.. After trimming the joystick stay at the trimmed pos. unlike spring loaded.
In some conventional joysticks, you can remove the springs to obtain this effect. That's what I do with my Winwing. It's not as good as FF I bet, but it's a huge improvement you can get for free.
Amazing video, as usual. You are selling it very well. I myself fly with an old Microsoft Force Feedback Pro 2, from 1998 or so, and it is such a nice asset to have. Force Feedback trimming feels so much better than "blind-dumb" trimming.
Started with a OG Logitech Wingman Force (The Big Bearclaw one), and continue to fly today with a Logitech G940 which is the only way I can fly DCS or any WW1/2 Sim so you can really feel what the plane or heli is doing. FFB Needs to make a huge resurgence because it really is so so much better to have feedback just like you do with a FFB Wheel for Racing Sims.
I fly with a VKB gladiator rn and learning to fly the mig-29 properly has a huge challenge. In fact I spent a long time just perfecting Landing it. I'm still not a pro in WVR. I feel like FFB would completely trivialize flying the fulcrum and just let me push it to new limits...if only I had the cash haha
Looks good but I've already ordered the Rhino FFB stick which has more compatibility with more stick manufacturer's without path through required. Great to see more manufacturers start making these FFB sticks and rudders. Can't wait to get my Rhino!
Good to see another FFB flight option. I have a stick and yoke built from VPForce big motor kits and they are excellent. All the best. F14 is also nice with FFB.
Thanks for reviewing this kit! I’ve had a VP Force Rhino for over a year and concur with everything you’re saying. It’s made every plane and helicopter come alive. Something I’ve been waiting for as a RL pilot. So glad there’s another entrant to the market. How is the background software?
The cool thing with FFB though is you can set it up to behave and feel like an Airbus stick even without the forces created by airflow etc included, better than a non-FFB stick, especially when damping is concerned.
seeing autopilot was wild ah well, it'll probably be a few years before any major brands come out with force feedback I was about to get a VKB gunfighter ultimate to replace my x52
WOW. VR and now this. What's next? This is an evolutionary change for DCS... or is it revolutionary? Would like to see a video of how this stick functions in a slow speed, high AOA fight against a Hornet. And yes, share MIG-29 manual content/procedures. Very interesting. MIG-29 is underrated in DCS. Awesome stick, awesome review, and what a relief to produce a video where you do not have to send flowers.
Yeah that would be tough for me to do without unbolting everything unfortunately. But if they offer to send it to me for a review at some point, I'd consider it :)
Your presentation is so tasty that I really wanted to get one to feel something new with our MiG-29 and prop planes especially. :) And, by the way, the landing speed was a bit too high in this video :).
I understand that not everyone has a grand sitting in their pocket but the only thing I will say is that the experience is worth more like 5 grand, not 1 grand. Honestly, it's just a game changer. I would have also been quite sceptical had I not tried it first. So I totally understand anyone who is sitting on the sidelines and not convinced that the price is worth it. I would have been one of those people had I not had this channel.
@@CommandT I am strongly considering it, guessing it needs its own power source? Concerned it would cause power issues across the rest of the devices in my USB hub.
@@CommandT 600 units. You get on like a waiting list, you wait until everyone before you has had their Rhino made, then yours gets made. Seems like he's making 15 a week, got a year yet I think
How about S25t trimm does it work like in the Mig29?I find it hard work to trim in spring loaded joystick because when virtual joy is moving the physical doesn't, then creating that misaligned. You are trimmed but must hold physical stick when speed does change to hold altitude.
@@fa-ajn9881There is no single controller in this world except of VKB BlackBox that have full support of VKB grips. VKB has their closed proprietary protocol of communication.
Unfortunately I don’t fly the Apache however there’s no doubt that it will be very easy to tune super well for the Apache. It’s fantastic for flying choppers!
The Mirage F1 in DCS comes with lots of FFB customization in the special settings menu, would be interested in how that feels as I'm obsessed with the module and I have VPForce Rhino order processing.
Hi Command! Thanks for the Video. I have a question. Did you try the Rhino FFB Base? I own one currently and i love the effects. I would love to know how the FFB effects compare with this base. The added strenth is quite compelling. Can you feel when breaking while taxiing with this base? In WWII war birds. Does the stick also go to the front when no ariflow is on the elevator? Can you feel engine rumble in piston planes? You mentioned sharing profiles for planes. Could you point me into the right direction as of where to get such profiles?
Sharing profiles - I meant in the future when more people have these. Atm you have to mess about with fine tuning it yourself and maybe ask on the forums if you’re not sure. I’ve never tried the Rhino so I cannot compare. And yes, there’s effects that make the stick shake whilst rolling on the ground, landing touch down jolt, engine idling vibration ect.
Thanks a Lot. Got one one Order. Ukranian guy named GVL224 who IS known for building awesome custom fhrottles sells rebuilds of the beast. even at a cheaper price then FFBeast.
Looking closely at this or Rhino.....or both DIY. Already printing the Rhino but luv the motors and software system of this? Do you know if this supports MSFS yet? 😊
Hey, thanks. I've uploaded it for patreon supporters. Since these sceneries take hours to do I think it's fair that patreons get that perk. Almost all my mission files are available for patreons :)
Not entirely. it depends on the axis and the aircraft. FBW planes don’t displace the stick while trimming so for them you can use curves as you would before. For non-FBW aircraft in the pitch axis - yes, a curve is no longer valid
No, if you fly an F-16 definitely don’t get this. It’s the only aircraft which has a completely different pressure stick set up. So I would suggest getting a pressure stick base that other companies make for the F-16 specifically
@@CommandTI don't fly the F16 in DCS, I'm more of a rotary type. But I think it would be trivial to make the FFB stick work like the F16 one, you just make it stay in the middle, and oppose any movement. The current in the servos needed to hold it stationary is your proportional input for controls. Presto.
I don’t understand fully. Does it just replicate the pilot stick Ig or actually resist you or smt like that. I wish I could try it so I would actually get it 😅
Agreed regarding wind gusts however that doesn’t change the fact that you still have to manipulate the controls and fly the plane, and a force feedback system is brilliant irrespective of whether you have wind gusts or not
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3:50. is that part of the Ukrainian standard take-off procedure :D ?
Can you make a video on how you mounted this beast? I fear that if I ordered one that I wouldn't be able to mount it anywhere. Because I play all kinds of games, my flying/racing setup is not permanent.
Sure, but it’s not difficult, you just need to have a base to bolt it to. My one is a home-made wooden frame for the joystick base and pedals. Other people use metal rigs with racing seats and stuff. You can just unscrew the joystick/ extension when you don’t fly and it doesn’t impede your ability to use a steering wheel or pedals or whatever you have.
Great video, but the price is a bit over the top. Not saying it's not worth it, but at almost $1,000 for a gimbal only, no power supply or enclosure, this thing is clearly targeting the top 1% of all flight simmers, not those of us with more modest (realistic) budgets.
I mean I agree that 1000 bux doesn’t grow on trees, and yeah this is definitely a commitment. But if you can afford it, the difference in flying experience is really worth far more than 1000 bux. It’s like flying a real plane. Game changer.
Go to the website. Click on the left where it says FFB Flight Controls. Then under that click the link that says DIY. There is a 3D cad model and a complete parts list if you really want to do it yourself. I'm assuming that the build it yourself kit would include the parts and you would then assemble it yourself, but not sure.
I was already tempted of buying a FFB after your previous video but now that you tested it on my main module I'm not tempted anymore, I'm convinced that this is what I need 😅 I don't know what are your plans for the next videos about this FFB stick but I'm would really like to have your feedback on what's like to fly the Tomcat with this. I also can't wait to watch your full review of the product and the way it fit in your simpit 😁
Thanks. I don’t fly the F-14 but have zero doubt that it will be a perfect fit for it for it. Exactly the sort of aircraft that would benefit from FFB.
Do you know how long it would take for the production and shipping? I ordered a Rhino but would have to wait 8 months. If this is faster I would go with it!
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Welcome to the party, spent the last 2 decades plus trying to say how much it adds in the forums so we could get proper support, wasting my time trying to explain to those who never tried it and can't understand what it brings to the party. Wait until you try those aircraft where you feel the air build up under the wing and start to give lift, transforms how it feels compared to real life in lighter aircraft, you really can feel it.
Been using FFB since the first gen Microsoft FFB, now got the Rhino which is simply awesome tbh.
Subbed btw, look forward to your 29 content :)
@@PhantomMark Oh awesome! :) And yeah, couldn't agree more with you!! Totally transformational experience! hopefully now if more and more people buy these things, ED will have to start giving up proper FFB support and profiles for each module!
Is there any functional difference between this and vp force rhino? This is more expensive so I assume more torque?
@@fa-ajn9881 I don't honestly know the answers to your question, but I run 40% max on the Rhino and its very firm already, I can't actually remember what the specs were sorry, it was a massive upgrade from my old modded Microsoft FFB2 tho :D
@@CommandT I fly FFB since Microsoft Sidewinder FF PRO, had several FF Precision2 and FF PRO2.
Having HOTAS replicas is another spectrum of joy, so I had to create my FFB for it (Hornet and Warthog). It is only 1/3 of price of FFBeast (BOM).
Someday I will share it, along with FFB pedals and "load-cell" cougar mod.
Amazing, I fully agree with you on FFB. Wait until you try the Ka-50 if you haven't already.. After trimming the joystick stay at the trimmed pos. unlike spring loaded.
Yep, I believe it!! :D
In some conventional joysticks, you can remove the springs to obtain this effect. That's what I do with my Winwing. It's not as good as FF I bet, but it's a huge improvement you can get for free.
dude i cant wait for the mig29 procedures, ive always had a spot in my heart for the mig29 and like you am eagerly waiting for the FF module
Sweet! Coming your way soon 🤙
Amazing video, as usual. You are selling it very well. I myself fly with an old Microsoft Force Feedback Pro 2, from 1998 or so, and it is such a nice asset to have. Force Feedback trimming feels so much better than "blind-dumb" trimming.
Yep for sure!! And thanks!
Great. Now I want another expensive thing.
So worth it though! :D
Sell your kidney
This stick makes these flight sim videos look way more real! I might just have to buy one
Haha. Yep! Well worth it! 😃
Started with a OG Logitech Wingman Force (The Big Bearclaw one), and continue to fly today with a Logitech G940 which is the only way I can fly DCS or any WW1/2 Sim so you can really feel what the plane or heli is doing. FFB Needs to make a huge resurgence because it really is so so much better to have feedback just like you do with a FFB Wheel for Racing Sims.
Absolutely!
I fly with a VKB gladiator rn and learning to fly the mig-29 properly has a huge challenge. In fact I spent a long time just perfecting Landing it. I'm still not a pro in WVR. I feel like FFB would completely trivialize flying the fulcrum and just let me push it to new limits...if only I had the cash haha
Yeah, save up if you can. Well worth the wait 😃
Looks good but I've already ordered the Rhino FFB stick which has more compatibility with more stick manufacturer's without path through required.
Great to see more manufacturers start making these FFB sticks and rudders.
Can't wait to get my Rhino!
Oh yeah, I'm sure you'll enjoy it!!
Good to see another FFB flight option. I have a stick and yoke built from VPForce big motor kits and they are excellent. All the best. F14 is also nice with FFB.
Nice! Yeah I don’t fly the F-14 but I imagine it’s an aircraft that would benefit greatly from
I bet this feels amazing in any of the WW2 birds, which is my bread and butter and why I want FF.
Yep, game changing!
Thanks for reviewing this kit! I’ve had a VP Force Rhino for over a year and concur with everything you’re saying. It’s made every plane and helicopter come alive. Something I’ve been waiting for as a RL pilot.
So glad there’s another entrant to the market. How is the background software?
Software is decent. Couple of small bugs but getting ironed out as times goes by with more features added later.
5:10 haha well on my A320 I dont have any feedback in real life :D I miss the 737 days when you felt every bumb during approach. Grüße
The cool thing with FFB though is you can set it up to behave and feel like an Airbus stick even without the forces created by airflow etc included, better than a non-FFB stick, especially when damping is concerned.
I take it you'll be one of the first people to pre-order the ED MiG-29A when it goes up for sale!
I would send them my money for it right now if I could… for a pre-pre-order 😆
seeing autopilot was wild
ah well, it'll probably be a few years before any major brands come out with force feedback
I was about to get a VKB gunfighter ultimate to replace my x52
I wouldn’t wait around for any major brands as I’m not convinced the wait will yield any more capabilities.
WOW. VR and now this. What's next? This is an evolutionary change for DCS... or is it revolutionary? Would like to see a video of how this stick functions in a slow speed, high AOA fight against a Hornet. And yes, share MIG-29 manual content/procedures. Very interesting. MIG-29 is underrated in DCS. Awesome stick, awesome review, and what a relief to produce a video where you do not have to send flowers.
Ha! Thanks! 😆
Revolutionary for sure.
It’s awesome in all flight regimes. Modulating at high AoA is very easy! 👌
Is it revolutionary? We have that in racing sims for ages now...theyve just started adding it to flight sims.
Been convinced decades ago after my sister let me try her force feedback sticks. Hurts the few first times but afterward it’s ok.
Impressive, Looks like another new dimension of sim flying. I guess F14 and upcoming F4 would benefit from this.
Oh yeah, can’t wait to try out the F-4!
High quality content of somebody else misary… and success… instant like! 🎉
As someone who races virtual cars with the FFB wheel I really do not get this community not wanting the same.
Indeed!!
We need a comparison video of the FFBeast and the Rhino.
Yeah that would be tough for me to do without unbolting everything unfortunately. But if they offer to send it to me for a review at some point, I'd consider it :)
@@CommandT do you know the differences on paper at least?
Your presentation is so tasty that I really wanted to get one to feel something new with our MiG-29 and prop planes especially. :)
And, by the way, the landing speed was a bit too high in this video :).
Actually it was necessary for making the sharp turn. And only 10-20kph too high compared to a “perfect” touch down 🙂
Oh man, almost a grand…
I thought the TPRs I’d been eyeing up would be the most expensive peripheral I’d want 😭
I understand that not everyone has a grand sitting in their pocket but the only thing I will say is that the experience is worth more like 5 grand, not 1 grand. Honestly, it's just a game changer. I would have also been quite sceptical had I not tried it first. So I totally understand anyone who is sitting on the sidelines and not convinced that the price is worth it. I would have been one of those people had I not had this channel.
@@CommandT
I am strongly considering it, guessing it needs its own power source?
Concerned it would cause power issues across the rest of the devices in my USB hub.
Only found out about these recently unfortunately, got myself on the Rhino wait list. Only 600 left to go lol
600 what? 600 days? 😳
@@CommandT 600 units. You get on like a waiting list, you wait until everyone before you has had their Rhino made, then yours gets made. Seems like he's making 15 a week, got a year yet I think
Hi! Do you use any axis curves for this joystick configuration?
PHENOMINAL! I wonder if there are any FFB pedals? If so, Apache will be my fav module ;)
Yes, i have FFB pedals, the same creator
Very nice, looks great!
Thanks for the comment :)
How about S25t trimm does it work like in the Mig29?I find it hard work to trim in spring loaded joystick because when virtual joy is moving the physical doesn't, then creating that misaligned. You are trimmed but must hold physical stick when speed does change to hold altitude.
Yeah it should work the same way
Sold it to me? Yes except that it is not for sale yet?
Can you tell me if the A4 Skyhawk module has any FFB?
I don’t have the A4. Might be worth asking that question on the forums.
It’s available for pre-order 👍
Would love to see how it is with the harrier, curious if you can feel much in that plane .
Might test it out with the harrier at some point 🤙
im on the waiting list from hour 1 !
Awesome!! Gonna be worth the wait for sure!
Is there any functional difference between this and vp force rhino? This is more expensive so I assume more torque?
Yes. The main difference - more torque and full metal construction. Other than that - not so much differences.
@@Propeler3Di wish it natively supported vkb stick instead of another layer of software, would be nearly perfect then.
@@fa-ajn9881There is no single controller in this world except of VKB BlackBox that have full support of VKB grips. VKB has their closed proprietary protocol of communication.
I would like to see how it works with the Apache.
Unfortunately I don’t fly the Apache however there’s no doubt that it will be very easy to tune super well for the Apache. It’s fantastic for flying choppers!
I can dig it.
This video should be shown to all idiots who claim that ffb sticks are useless
The Mirage F1 in DCS comes with lots of FFB customization in the special settings menu, would be interested in how that feels as I'm obsessed with the module and I have VPForce Rhino order processing.
Ah! Yeah I don’t have the F-1 but might try it at some point.
@@CommandT definitely worth a trial, and one of the best bang for your buck modules in the game.
Thank you! Nice video! Can I also ask you for a small video for the f-14a please?
Hey thanks, I don’t fly the F-14 unfortunately!
So many good things and also wrong things .. but yes agree FFB are great
Hi Command! Thanks for the Video.
I have a question. Did you try the Rhino FFB Base? I own one currently and i love the effects. I would love to know how the FFB effects compare with this base.
The added strenth is quite compelling.
Can you feel when breaking while taxiing with this base?
In WWII war birds. Does the stick also go to the front when no ariflow is on the elevator?
Can you feel engine rumble in piston planes?
You mentioned sharing profiles for planes. Could you point me into the right direction as of where to get such profiles?
Sharing profiles - I meant in the future when more people have these. Atm you have to mess about with fine tuning it yourself and maybe ask on the forums if you’re not sure.
I’ve never tried the Rhino so I cannot compare. And yes, there’s effects that make the stick shake whilst rolling on the ground, landing touch down jolt, engine idling vibration ect.
Thanks a Lot. Got one one Order. Ukranian guy named GVL224 who IS known for building awesome custom fhrottles sells rebuilds of the beast. even at a cheaper price then FFBeast.
How get?
why didnt you test the stick override?
I wasn’t sure how that would show anything regarding the force feedback? 🤷♂️
Looking closely at this or Rhino.....or both DIY. Already printing the Rhino but luv the motors and software system of this? Do you know if this supports MSFS yet? 😊
On the FFBeast site it says it does support MSFS I believe 🤷♂️
Can you use it with other flight simulators?
Yep
great vid ! the airport looks great with all that soviet gear - can we get that MIZ file?
pretty please : )
Hey, thanks. I've uploaded it for patreon supporters. Since these sceneries take hours to do I think it's fair that patreons get that perk. Almost all my mission files are available for patreons :)
@@CommandT -- rgr that
How much is it? Sounds interesting to play with!
Have a look on the site. Depends on whether you want to build it yourself or have it delivered all set up.
does this render joystick sensitivity settings useless ?
Not entirely. it depends on the axis and the aircraft. FBW planes don’t displace the stick while trimming so for them you can use curves as you would before. For non-FBW aircraft in the pitch axis - yes, a curve is no longer valid
Does it replicate the AoA buffet?
Yep! Extremely well. Super easy to tell when you’re getting close to stall speed or when you’re at high AoA in a modern fighter.
cool!
Thanks for the comment 👍
How did you mount it?
Just screwed it down to a wooden platform I have
Is MSFS supported? Thanks.
I believe so!
awesome. can it do the F16 force sense type of stick?
No, if you fly an F-16 definitely don’t get this. It’s the only aircraft which has a completely different pressure stick set up. So I would suggest getting a pressure stick base that other companies make for the F-16 specifically
@@CommandTI don't fly the F16 in DCS, I'm more of a rotary type. But I think it would be trivial to make the FFB stick work like the F16 one, you just make it stay in the middle, and oppose any movement. The current in the servos needed to hold it stationary is your proportional input for controls. Presto.
I don’t understand fully. Does it just replicate the pilot stick Ig or actually resist you or smt like that. I wish I could try it so I would actually get it 😅
It replicates the forces experienced by a real world pilot. That’s what it is in a nutshell
How does the FFBeast compare to the Rhino?
As far as I understand the FFBeast has more torque and a full metal construction. Otherwise differences are not huge.
In DCS there is no wind gusts modeled and air pressure is also same so you have very little you need to do with controls.
Agreed regarding wind gusts however that doesn’t change the fact that you still have to manipulate the controls and fly the plane, and a force feedback system is brilliant irrespective of whether you have wind gusts or not
3:50. is that part of the Ukrainian standard take-off procedure :D ?
Used to be anyway 😁
TOP!
I think is much better force in IL2. Have you try it. If not try please. Thank you.
I don’t have il2 but I do believe it!
sadge i wish i could im Broke
Love the Ukraine livery 💛💛💙💙
😂😂😂 миг 29 с ливреями украины, поверь его давно не обслуживали он точно грохнеться.
Ролик симулирует 1995г 🙂
Can you make a video on how you mounted this beast? I fear that if I ordered one that I wouldn't be able to mount it anywhere. Because I play all kinds of games, my flying/racing setup is not permanent.
Sure, but it’s not difficult, you just need to have a base to bolt it to. My one is a home-made wooden frame for the joystick base and pedals. Other people use metal rigs with racing seats and stuff. You can just unscrew the joystick/ extension when you don’t fly and it doesn’t impede your ability to use a steering wheel or pedals or whatever you have.
Great video, but the price is a bit over the top. Not saying it's not worth it, but at almost $1,000 for a gimbal only, no power supply or enclosure, this thing is clearly targeting the top 1% of all flight simmers, not those of us with more modest (realistic) budgets.
I mean I agree that 1000 bux doesn’t grow on trees, and yeah this is definitely a commitment. But if you can afford it, the difference in flying experience is really worth far more than 1000 bux. It’s like flying a real plane. Game changer.
Excellent. Unfortunately, the "Build it" option does not work on the website you provided ("404 File not found").
Go to the website. Click on the left where it says FFB Flight Controls. Then under that click the link that says DIY. There is a 3D cad model and a complete parts list if you really want to do it yourself. I'm assuming that the build it yourself kit would include the parts and you would then assemble it yourself, but not sure.
I've fixed the link
Ok, I'm sold! Now I want one.
Can’t blame you 😆
3:45 I wouldn't be able to do that without crashing. impressive.
Already working on a DIY build based on the Huey vid!
I was already tempted of buying a FFB after your previous video but now that you tested it on my main module I'm not tempted anymore, I'm convinced that this is what I need 😅
I don't know what are your plans for the next videos about this FFB stick but I'm would really like to have your feedback on what's like to fly the Tomcat with this.
I also can't wait to watch your full review of the product and the way it fit in your simpit 😁
Thanks. I don’t fly the F-14 but have zero doubt that it will be a perfect fit for it for it. Exactly the sort of aircraft that would benefit from FFB.
Do you know how long it would take for the production and shipping?
I ordered a Rhino but would have to wait 8 months. If this is faster I would go with it!
I’m told 1.5-2 months for the first batch of people (I assume you would still be in the first batch if pre-ordering now) and longer for the 2nd batch
@@CommandT Thanks, thats way faster than the rhino!
Your specs are amazing