What is real Archery? feat. Lars Andersen
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
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First 5 Minute Friday from Austria with special guest Lars Andersen. Please excuse the bad audio!
It is about the question: What is real archery?
Lars will give you his 5 cents to it and I fully agree. Just have fun shooting, no matter what style, technique and so on.
Thank you Lars for being such a great inspiration for many!
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Sending an arrow downrange for a purpose. It's all archery!
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The wrong way to do archery is when you never take your bow out and shoot it, anytime you’re shooting arrows you’re doing archery, thank you for your perspective, Keep up the good work I’m enjoying your new shooting range
This is one of the best videos I have seen in a long time because its EXACTLY what the people at my archery club told me when I was a new archer. Lucky im stubborn and ignored them they wouldn't even let you shoot without a knocking point and when i said i wanted to shoot like Lars Anderson they said he was a trick archer and edited his videos. I have learned to ignore people with closed minds and not to bother trying to argue the point. In my opinion they push alot of people who would like to do archery out of it, because they only believe in Olympic style...which isn't for everyone.
Wonder how many others shoot traditional/instinctive because of Lars and Armin...i am one for sure but I bet its thousands.
For sure we are many :)
I can personally attest to this fact - I’ve had a thing for archery since I was a 4 year old kid. Lars and Armin specifically got me back to my old, never forgotten love.
An open mind ....always 👍
I started in 2020 because of Lars Andersen. Never would do Olympic or barebow in "traditional" club.
@@geomystery8343 Me too, I just started recently after being blown away by what Lars showed it was possible to do with a bow earlier this year. I have zero interest in shooting high-tech equipment with various accessories at a stationary target all day long. While I appreciate the engineering behind a compound bow (it's very cool!) it doesn't make any sense for me personally - if I wanted a high-tech solution I'd likely just go for a crossbow instead (compound of course, and with a magazine), or perhaps Jörg Sprave's Fenris. What draws me to traditional archery is the rawness of it. I'm planning on making my own wooden arrows once I've achieved some level of consistency.
Armin. I cannot agree more on what You and Lars are telling. Even more, i think it's most important message to all archers whatsoever. Passion should keep people together, not divide them.
I'm doing LARP archery (foam-head arrows), also aerial targets, running archery and almost no stationary target shooting, because archery is supossed to be relax and fun and these "disciplines" is what gives me positive kick.
I'm really really grateful for this video, and for all inspiration and knowledge from other. Keep it coming!
I'm almost the opposite to you... I shoot barebow and asiatic .... I shoot stationary at targets [ although i do change distances]... but I don't use any kind of aiming assistance I'm probably a little ordinary... but I don't shoot compound (never have) Am I traditional archer... I'd like to think so.... but I know that you are too...
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WONDERFUL!!! This is the dynamic which keeps Archery FUN! Learning and perfecting anything requires discipline. The amazing shots that Lars has been able to achieve required practice and discipline. Embracing new techniques and perfecting the potential of new skills is what adds diversity to the sport. Diversity is what keeps an ancient art youthful...and FUN! Discipline can be fun!!! A beautiful perspective! Thank you both for this Five Minute Friday!!! 🙏😁🏹🎯
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I loved seeing Lars shooting through the keyhole. it never gets old. For many years I suggested to many modern archers (friends and clubmates) that ancient war archers had amazing totally unbelievable accuracy by today's standards - now I just point to Lars and say this is one guy's hobby and look how accurate he is. Now Imagine if you were an elite ancient archer. You do nothing else but archery and horseback riding ... How proficient do you think you would be, after surviving numerous battles, how acurate could you be with; either side of the bow, no arrow rest and no fixed draw length or point (essential in many ways on horseback) ... I'm not able to "keyhole" yet but I can nail a tennis ball every time at up to 20' and Im practicing on ping pong balls and getting reliably acurate out to 12 yards and building that up. I dont have that level of acuracy from horseback but that will come with time.
You may be correct about the skills of ancient archers, but Lars Andersen shooting through a keyhole is not the example I'd cite.
That video is a fake, with everything right of the door's edge being one video and everything left being another.
This video was done as a "response" to a archery video posted by the "dude perfect" channel, which are entirely faked. So, it could be Mr. Andersen was attempting to be ironic.
In medieval Europe, the French hated British archers so much that they cut off their fingers. To this day holding up your archery fingers in Britain is an insult because it implies that they haven't caught you yet, you are still out there sniping them and they can't do anything about it.
@@Waltham1892 He had a guiness judge there so its clearly not fake. I dont really see how his trick shooting relates to historical archery though. Lars seems to think that ancient archery warfare was all about speed and accuracy when thats only true for a very small part of ancient warfare
Okay @Waltham1892 - Really? Why would you find fakery in an actually very humble and talented guy's achievement? @musikSkool - Really? This hasn't been debunked enough times that people still post it? (From memory this is attributed to Black Douglas of Scotland while the French had no reason (generalising here) to do anything but kill the common English archer). @Twm Clark - Yep, clearly not fake but try not to presume of what Lars is thinking. If you watch his videos and listen to what he says, he's only ever challenged himself to see what's possible with a lower weight (but still lethal) bow. Guys, maybe I've just been baited, but seriously, there's better ways to spend minutes than propagating stuff like this. Rant over.
@@carabas5523 I'm not presuming anything. The majority of his videos are speculating on how archery was done in the past and his reasoning usually comes down to speed or accuracy. I don't think I've once seen him give the mechanics of bows as a reason even in obvious cases like the archers paradox
At the club, I shoot alongside two 9 year old girls. Their bows are bigger than them, they struggle when stringing because they are not tall enough, they can't use a quiver because it rubs on the floor as they walk.
But they are at the same time dead serious about their shooting and absolutely enthousiastic when they hit the gold at fifteen yards.
Real archery, then, I guess.
That's so cute... Maybe you should challenge them to a game... You at 30y, them at 15... Ha ha that'll be fun to watch
Lars Andersen archer skills 101/100. English skills 7/100. Friendliness 99/100
Glad to see you’re still doing videos. You did a humerus soft archery video a while ago which I enjoyed anyway its allowing my kids to practice archery safely at home. The oldest now shoots a bare youth compound bow. Their aim is getting better, they’re building up their understanding and muscle memory, they have confidence handling a bow. All through soft archery. I’m sure one day we’ll progress when they’re ready to progress. The right archery is the archery you have access to and which you can do safely. Keep up the good work.
I'm glad to know that you and Lars Anderson are actually friends. I'm actually subscribed to both of your RUclips Channels but I didn't know you guys were friends.
I only shot compound bows for many years until I found you and Lars on RUclips; which inspired me to buy a Grozer Csaba Hungarian Bio-Composite bow. So nice.
In my personal opinion it's way more fun with the Hun-Bow. I get satisfaction and feelings of accomplishment from shooting my Grozer bow compared to my compound bow.
Even though my compound bow shoots more accurate for me, faster, harder hitting and more consistent, it's not as fun as the joy of my Hun-Bow.
It was so hard to learn thumb release... I'm still today trying to master it and it's been a while. In Australia Queensland, none of the archery clubs know about thumb release or how to teach it .
Lars Andersen is a natural archer. His level of proficiency is not only a consequence of his dedication to the sport but also surely linked w/ his emotional and genetic build (eye sight quality, etc). Impressive for sure!
HOLD UP YALL, I paused the video just to comment real quick, a couple years ago Mr Armin took me to school on REAL ARCHERY. Because I came to him asking questions and I said that I want to do real Archery😂😂😂😂
And this was one of the first life lessons that Mr. Armin has taught me. What’s cool about learning from master Armin is that a lot of the stuff you learn in Archery from him, you can actually translate it to other parts of your life. For me this was my first lesson because I thought since that I was shooting slavic release that I was shooting REAL ARCHERY 🏹 😂 😂😂
And Mr. Armin schooled me really quick from ever using that term. I will never forget that conversation because I learned so much from the teaching and I’ve used that teaching in other parts of my life and my life has been a lot better and I wanna thank you armin for your teachings.
(Btw I paused the video at your new logo, I love it, Asiatic Archery by Armin)
From my perspective, took me at least 5 years to find my own archery technique (thanks to your videos among others, Lars's too) and the proper material to practice it.
Olympic/precision shooting for 3 month, then hunting archery/instinctive for 2 years, then I bought my bow (Jackal Archery Assyrian, a beast^^) and have been practicing slavic release for 6 months.
Now I have been practicing Thumb release, using 2 different quiver while shooting (it's a choice), using Alibow arrows with Alumni Speed nocks and Archery Tidbits thumb gloves (told you your videos were a great lesson)
It is my way of archery, every technique I have been practicing was full of surprises and lessons to learn. At the end the proper way of archery is the one that feats you, it is not even the way of perfection because those who practice for fun are not in this mindset.
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2 of my favorite archers! Wishing you guys healthy and happy! Sending all of my loves from Indonesia
I just started archery again with a Grozer Scythian bow and at my local range, people are interested in how the bow is (organic components instead of plastic), how the archery is (no stabilizer, no visor, nothing), how I shoot (right side instead of the left side, my posture not being 90° perpendicular to the target etc etc etc), this is really nice for them to see a different kind of archery without judging anything. A coach asked if it was efficient from a posture perspective, but well, archers 3000 years ago just tried to kill their enemy, not hit a still hay target right ?
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Thank you for the video! When I started archery I loved the community and still does. Then there's the haters that hate when others doesn't do archery as them self and doesn't understand there's more ways to shoot then one.. I think there's a basic in archery that helps people to find their own comfortable way to shoot without being injured. Have fun and if you hit your target, keep them flying!
Often the biggest haters are the old guys in the clubs with elitist thinking, who only counts Olympic archery of longbow archery as real archery
@@marcusfridh8489 so true!
Who amongst you got told you had won a prize on this channel and paid the shipping of over $130 only to g fake email demanding another $200???
Come forward my friends I cannot be the only one ?? Has Armins channel been hijacked or what is the reason?? All I know is I've got screen shots of everything and nothing to show for my $130 just a few pictures and no tracking info.
Who amongst you got told you had won a prize on this channel and paid the shipping of over $130 only to g fake email demanding another $200???
Come forward my friends I cannot be the only one ?? Has Armins channel been hijacked or what is the reason?? All I know is I've got screen shots of everything and nothing to show for my $130 just a few pictures and no tracking info.
@@muhammadbenjuraij7734 those scammers are all over the place on youtube. Many reactionchannels and even nusensei's channel has been hacked by them on the commentsections
If a guy has the skill level to shoot unfletched arrows through a key hole, he is a master archer for me.
Without a sight on top of it. Yes, Mr. Anderson gets a lot if backlash, some reasonable but mostly rather stupid things but nobody can deny his skills.
Well...For me Lars Andersen is a great fake magician not more than that....With today video shop software it is easy make the trick.
@@artamandi So great that the Guiness World Record put him in their book.
Fletching's don't make that much of a difference at that range. Still impressive though
Started out with a 20lb fiberglass bow from Sears 55 plus years ago. Shot from wrong ? side, no knocking point? Shot it pretty good had fun. Moving forward upgraded? you need this you need that you have to do it this way or that way!!!!! All the bells and whistles might have improved my group but took the fun away. Started my granddaughter off with cheap fiberglas bow , she loves it! FUN
I think that archery is the ability to shoot an arrow precisely where you want it. This would involve a lot of motivation,, training, dedication, and practicing the fundamentals over and over. That, to me, is archery.
Great video, Armin!
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Come forward my friends I cannot be the only one ?? Has Armins channel been hijacked or what is the reason?? All I know is I've got screen shots of everything and nothing to show for my $130 just a few pictures and no tracking info.
@Tom's Cubes well you can also use the comments to make others aware and maybe just maybe Armin will have enough concern to pin the comment so EVERYONE watching the video is aware and the scammer loses! Wouldn't you agree?
This reminds me of a time when I was in the backyard shooting with my brothers. My brother asked if it was possible to shoot more than one arrow at a time. I said, "I don't know. Let's try it." So I nocked three arrows on my string, took aim (canted to keep the arrows in place) from about 15 yards, and shot them. To all our surprise, all three arrows landed close to the ten ring. We were all amazed that it could even be done. But it can. And I did. And we all had fun.
... and you all had FUN!!!. that's all folks,😃
Spent atleast 5-7 years growing up shooting in a club, super strict rules etc.. Didn’t really hated it, but had no love for it. Came back to the hobby now a million years later with a simple flatbow-longbow-twinbow and am so pshyched just playing around with it. Thumb, release, glove, tab, no tab, arrow left side of riser, right side of riser, next arrows still in the draw hand etc.. The playfulness of it really brought the love back for it!
Excellent topic?!
Thank you Lars for telling people to stop judging others for what works for them.
I have a compound bow and a recurve bow. Both of them are probably considered entry level. Now that I am ready to upgrade because my skill level has increased, along with my discipline, I don’t have any interest in advancing with the compound bow because I personally appreciate the challenges associated with traditional archery.
I prefer spot & stalk my quarry vs ambushing from a blind or stand. But that’s me, I’m sure others are as proficient with their method.
I appreciate elevating my skills and the shy is the limit with traditional bows, but I love the instant gratification of the compound bow.
I respect you guys.
I've never thought that something like a compound bow wasn't "real", and in fact if i was to go bow hunting I'd choose compound because I'd be more likely to make a clean kill (i.e. the animal suffers less). I do however think that Asiatic is harder to master, and that's the challenge that I want! I don't want to blame the bow at any point, I want it to be down to my skill (or lack of skill) as much as possible, because to me that makes archery interesting.
That said, the "still got the training wheels on?" joke will never get old 😀
To any gamers reading, this, I want the "Dark Souls" of archery!
Real archery for me is: you have a bow, knock the arrow and then you draw and take aim for your target wether it be a keyhole or a traditional target etc.
And i gotta say its really impressive that Lars managed to pull off shooting through a keyhole.
Me and my brother make ourselves bows. From beginning, we chose curve shape stick, but it weird. Then we switched to straight stick and try to bend them, we broke a lot of them.
After the first success bow we make arrow. From no feather and not straight to feather and straight.
Then we try different method and type of string. We twisted it, add more string and used different knots.
At last, my Brother has his favorite long bow and mine is a weird looking thing make from combine 2 from different bows.
Next is firing style. We start at same but end up using different style.
All of those process let us understand how bow has so many variants. It very fun to discover little by little.
I shoot instinctively/intuitively because I found it easiest - and you get to watch your brain learning something. My Covid project was to teach myself thumb release and shooting on the 'wrong' side. Absolutely fascinating to watch my brain learn something new! But, whatever style/ method you prefer, having a twang is just good fun. So think I.
Have fun!!! That‘s all! Thank you to Armin and Lars!!!!!!
1:00 I love that reaction/scoff at it; "PROPER archery". Exactly, pffffffttt. "Proper." HA!
thanks for this video, I am about to start getting into longbow archery and I have been watching so many videos about the right way or the wrong way… in the back of my mind I’m thinking I’ll just do it my way❤
4:46 EXACTLY! That's been my mindset since biased shooters haven't let me into shooting ranges (or shown me disdain when I have been there), there's about a billion ways to shoot a bow and arrow and the visible bias should really go down ASAP or it'll discourage people from bows and arrows, period
Good Video to start over from the new location (instead of a nother bowreview).
And I like your new logo a lot!
Ive done many "sports" where the gatekeeping is high, Archery comes pretty high on that list. I was amazed when I mentioned Lars name at my localish range I got some side eye and scorn as though he doesn't do real Archery, I of course do not go to said range.
At the end of the day Archery is shooting something with a Bow. Thats it.
Excellent video Armin. Thank you for all you do to promote archery to the world. I wish you much success and I hope you always have what you need.
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Come forward my friends I cannot be the only one ?? Has Armins channel been hijacked or what is the reason?? All I know is I've got screen shots of everything and nothing to show for my $130 just a few pictures and no tracking info.
This is the reason I’m still shooting after five years :) Keep it fun, forget all the ‘rules’! Thanks Armin for the inspiration, as ever ...
"Proper archery" is the form that you find the most fun, right? : )
Real archery is the kind that makes you feel good while you do it, the kind that you enjoy most. Therefore it's different for each practitioner, making it relative and a matter of perspective.
A 'broad mind' is just to listen and not judge but it's stupid to judge without listening. It's not stupid to judge but remember to be willing to let yourself and others have a change of mind. Certainty is a myth!
This is my favourite of your 3 minute vlog, so far. 😎
This question always make me think of the paralympian Matt Stutzman. Would someone say he's not a real archer or doing real archery because he has no arms? To me the bow and arrow is an extension of one's own body, express yourself however you wish and have fun doing it is the most important thing.
Good point
Feel the same and have pretty much same attitude with Armin and Lars.
This phenomenon applies to all sports, arts, pretty much all fields of human activities.
Some folks enjoy the static aspect of handling tools, in this case bow & arrow, laser focused on micro accuracy and forms which often learned by theories and rigid structures. Some other folks enjoy the intuitive way of handling bow and arrow without particular focus but explore in many aspects and more diverse factors (speed, timing, coordination and fluidity of body movement, reaction to other subject or archer and so on).
And there are those bitter, unhappy people that are wasting there time and energy on commenting negative remark on what others fancy. It's all matter of what's in there head the thoughts they have manifest. Focusing on what you don't like make you miserable hinders progression, focusing on joy make you happy progress faster. The issue is a lack of self awareness.
The detractors seem to forget that Lars Anderson has been an Archer most of his life, he has researched, shot & taught many styles. I, too, know a few Compound Archers that shoot theirs from the string. Each to their own. As long as people enjoy their Archery & are shooting safely, it's all good.
Recently, a friend described Snowboarding Archery. Talk about a tourism ploy, 'Come back in spring to collect your arrows'. 😂
hell yeah... nicely done
I believe that right or wrong archery is on purpose. It is right if you're enjoying archery and strive on getting better with your shots by learning what you're doing wrong and correcting the errors. In a sense focusing on self-reflection is a good purpose of archery. Wrong archery, I think, is the opposite where there is no self-reflection and just shooting the arrows for the heck of it and possibly injuring yourself. The key importance in archery I believe is to judge oneself before judging others. Respect is the most important thing on archery. Starting from self, the equipment, the peers, and the nature.
So many positive feedbacks, so I don´t want to. :D Real archery is to build a own bow and shoot it precise like a compound. Without nock, arrowrest and targetingsystem. Now I train every day since 1 1/2 years and it work well. I shoud try out what will happen, when I shoot a bow with easy mode.
Watching your video early in the morning with a big breakfast really makes my day! Can't wait to start shooting some arrows
Its amazing lars can hit it while changing his set ups. I could never do that. I probably only could with one bow but not switching bow to bow.
That's thing I admire even more than 7 arrows in succession.
I’ve won a few races, nothing tangible, only bragging rights. What a prize?!!! 🎉🎉🎉
Really didn’t know what a RX-7 was but now I do, it’s a game changer?! My Mathews model has a 50 yard limit.
That Rx-7 is a fur fetcher, thank you!
So biathlon for archers -In a mediaval combat they would not have stayed put unless defending a castle -maybe minus 10 and ski and a mile between targets - ( a mile since its the old distance measurement and i guess every culture had its own mile like swedes of finns and im shure chineese japaneese and even indians had some distance measurement )
I totaly agree, I 'm a barebow archer and appreciate all styles of archery (although I don't see myself shooting a compound anytime soon}.. I love barebow for the accuracy over longer distances and frankly, because it's what I do best, but I find instictive much more relaxing and enjoyable.
Simple some people have eye for accuracy + lot of time you get Lars. Long time ago i be in 3 day all day bird (quail, pheasant) hunt. My host say me to look some old man and his shoting skill. Man was hunting with double barrel shotgun and never shoting from both barrel, simple 1 shot 1 kill. Last day i see him sometime just put 1 shell in rifle and never miss.
OH Armin, how nice..... this new fase is starting with great momentum! thank as always for the great work.
Good morning! Finally a new Friday short ^^ This one's topic was a really good choice, especially with Lars. I think we got sensible and reasonable answers for the question. As always, it's not the equipment or the shooting style what matters, basically archery is about hitting the target (if i want to simplify it). There can be several ways to achieve that goal, and none is better then the other - it depends on the person, on the archer. Ofc we can add some layers to Archery itself, some prefer do deeper into technical details (equipment or technic wise), some use Archery as a spiritual path, etc. these are persona preferences - n.o.n.e. is better then the other. Period.
Who amongst you got told you had won a prize on this channel and paid the shipping of over $130 only to g fake email demanding another $200???
Come forward my friends I cannot be the only one ?? Has Armins channel been hijacked or what is the reason?? All I know is I've got screen shots of everything and nothing to show for my $130 just a few pictures and no tracking info.
@@muhammadbenjuraij7734 Hi! Yes, I did get the same advertisement a time ago, but I got suspicius and wrote a mail to Armin to confirm if its a real thing. Turned out to be a scam, Armin already reported them previously, so did I, so its known to YT admin. Also, I need to express that its not the channel owner - Armin - who is responsible for the scam, it's live on other channels as well, sadly, like NuSensei, etc.
If anything like this appears - considering a moderate or big amount of money involved always check it out first. I learned my lesson a time ago as well. Sorry for your loss 🤝
@@tiobi6633 I didn't have his email to ask him unfortunately!! He should of warned us and gave us a way to verify! Lesson learned...
This is the archer channel I was looking for.Super!!! keep going please.
Great video, the only wrong Archery, is when you cause harm. (anecdote, beware of walls and carbon arrows in a confined space, they really come back fast lol.)
Amazing video! Thank you so much Armin AND Lars! 🙇🏻♂️
Lars is also a painter so a steady hand is something that just has to have.
A good general lesson in life as well. Have fun stop telling everyone how and what to do. Be safe.
Real archery IMO is simply enjoying shooting a bow and arrows - FUN!
So, it's just like art. There's no wrong or right, you just need to find the style that suits you well.
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Ohne miltärische Bedeutung. Also nur ein Spiel. Und wie sagte Schiller. Der Mensch ist nur ganz Mensch wenn er spielt.
The argument of right or wrong archery is so insignificant it's unbelievable how it gets so much traction. It's like saying that there's a proper way of eating. Do you hold your fork from your left hand or right hand? How do you hold it? Do you fold your napkin? Do you say graces even if you're a non believer? Who the f cares as long as you enjoy your meal. For archery it's exactly the same. If it works, then it's good enough.
For me, real archery is bow and arrow but the highest level of archery is traditional archery
Armin and Lars. A fine combination.
🥰 useing bow and arrow , having fun, getting saticfide in der DOING
In skateboarding, we skate rails, ramps, hills, flatground, flip tricks, freestyle, gaps, grabs... Its all skateboarding. Gatekeepers need to chill.
Amazing. Never seen Lars talk before. Never seen the keyhole thing either.
Great Video! I love the mindset both you and Lars have. Just shoot... just enjoy it, and have fun. Well done sir.
I am a musician by trade. And this issue of right and wrong is quite similar in both disciplines of archery and music. As well as many other disciplines.
I believe the concepts of "right" and "wrong" can only be applied within 2 categories. And any evaluation outside these categories, is not a good application of these types of words.
1 - Body mechanics. If you practice a repetitive movement in such a way that you hurt yourself. It can be seen as wrong. For example. When people grip the bow but turn it in a way the string slaps the bow arm. It is "wrong". Now, "right" doesn't have to be unique. What is wrong is to hurt yourself in archery. Maybe a solution is using an armguard, another is to grip the bow in a different way. Both are "right" because the "wrong" is the effect of pain in practice.
2 - replication of phenomena. If you say you practice turkish archery, but all your context of practice is Olympic. From drawing, aiming, and philosophy. Then a turkish archery instructor would aay you are wrong, in calling what you do Turkish archery. Vice versa is true. The dificult ia not at the extreme. But where the differences meet. That is when using "right" or "wrong" is inaccurate terms for evaluating technique and performance.
If people used more "better" or preferably "more effecient" I believe this would be a different conversation. And a much more enjoyable one at that amongst different approaches to archery.
If you want the best score. The fastest way is learning compound. If you want a more relaxing mindset, possibly a more traditional approach is "better" for you.
Again, possibly.
In the end. "Right" and "wrong" is not accurate to the discussion. Defining objective phenomena with purely subjective language is often inaccurate.
That's my two cents. Thanks for reading so far 😄
It looks like there's a funnel on the other side of his door
I guess he just can shoot good
@@ArminHirmer Nah, he's cheating. He's not shooting the a keyhole, he's shooting a funnel, that then funnels the arrow through the keyhole. That's the reason why we're only seeing this side of the door. Nice child's bow tho
Proper Archery is what one makes of it. Since archery developed across the world at different times. some of which were in total Isolation, it just goes to show the exception is the rule.
I started with making and shooting medieval English war bows 30 years ago. Now I shoot Asiatic style. I suggested to English longbow archers that medieval European archers in war may have used what we call speed shooting techniques like are done with Asiatic bows....I literally was banished from their midst...no discussion allowed. Later I had a target archer literally tell me that instinctive archery was a myth though I told him I am one. He said ancient archers made marks on their bow to aim with...lol. Compound archers often think a traditional archer can't kill a deer, and traditional archers see compounds as shiny toys or crutches at best.
Most people want to see a reflection of themselves wherever they look no matter what or who they are looking at. This is not just archery, but in all things...religion, politics, taste in food, etc... To take that view closes ones eyes to better or brighter things. Your time is limited and to spend it worrying with minutiae is pointless.
The only thing I think is important is using the right draw weight for how you shoot. I think there is a problem with a lot of archery equipment being made for 50pounds at 28, then made to be lower poundage while keeping the frame size and arrows/vanes size the same. It's a bit of a sore point to me.
If you're really shooting a real bow and a real arrow it's real archery, and however you do it I hope you all really enjoy it.
That's a nice looking bow Armin, please describe it soon.
Actually I would query a bit Lars saying things from nocking points to elaborate sights are to make archery easier (I write as lifelong longbow shooter who has never used a sight). While it is true in a way, because it makes some things easier or more consistent it also raises the standard. Olympic archers would find making the same score as a top longbow target archer easy indeed, but that's irrelevant as they are expected to score much more. It is no easier to shoot as well as a top Olympic archer than it is to shoot as well as a top traditional archer.
Very agreeable explanation by Lars. Have a feeling many will comtinue to hold a grudge against him tho. Cool world record nonetheless.
Trick archery is archery too.
"What is a real archery he ask the villagers.. well one that puts food on the table and keeps the bad man away"
Archery is flinging a stick off another stick with a string on it. However sophisticated or not you like your stick flinger is totally your choice and should be as respected as any other form. The thing I fundamentally disagree on with Lars is the concept of there being "easier" or "more difficult" types of archery. Mastery is mastery and whatever your form is that ceiling is appropriately scaled up and equally hard to achieve. I respect the mastery of those whose forms are different from my own and understand the journey it took them to get there was as long, and hard, and filled with endless failure and practice and hundreds of thousands of arrows. End of the day I say peace between bows ✌️
you just described javelin throwing with a staff and a hook ... and that's exactly my problem with Lars ... he might be a good archer (I really cannot tell) but his presentation is that of a medieval alchemist ... basically a charlatan (or what's the proper term). that's why people throw the "real archery" tantrum at him. just contrast that with Armins presentation. His archery is also not the "traditional" type most people are used to, but his presentation is quite different and that's what counts.
looking at what Lars was presenting here (the shooting), he looks like a 5y old trying a bow for the first time. notice I am not disputing the results, I'd not be able to hit that keyhole in 100 tries ... I am not saying Lars is a bad archer. I am just saying his presentation of archery is bad ...
@@lubossoltes321 don't get me wrong I personally don't like Lars or his message. I hate the way he talks down my sport and personally I think Olympic recurve requires a level of skill and dedication that few realise and far fewer possess. I do, however, work in an archery shop, have shot just about every bow you can imagine, and most styles too. So I know unequivocally that archery is wholly dependent on the skill of the Archer. Customers often get frustrated with me because my answer to them when they ask me which bow is best is "the one you shoot the most". One of my best friends and coworkers is a national barebow champion and I often joke that he needs to put a sight on his bow to make me feel better, even if he doesn't use it, just because he is so damn good haha! I think everyone should just get to enjoy their own pursuit and experience of it though and realise that at the end of the day it really is just flinging sticks with other sticks (you did get me with the atl atl thing though 😄)
Lars didn't show the huge clear plexiglass funnel on the other side of the door
To me archery is a way to improve myself through the tools called bow and arrow, and I read and watch a lot of articles and videos teach people about archery and trying to tell people which is the proper or right way to do archery before I really start my journey on archery, now I feel archery is more like finding or say knowing myself better through finding out what technique works for me and what technique I not able to use, and the more I shoot the more I find my inner peace and the more inner peace I'm the shots naturally become better itself without me to really trying to make the good shots.
“ Proper Archery “ is just another term used to identify people who regard themselves as elitists in this subject. Sport archery, hunting archery, recreational archery, and everything else that follows these different styles, is simply “ archery “. As we all know, people are so very different in every way, and of course, they must adapt to “ archery “ in their own “ physical characteristics. Take para- Olympic archery for instance. The archer may be physically limited to the basic functions of archery, therefore special equipment are tailored to their specific needs to accommodate their goal in performing their task to shoot an arrow with their bow. In essence, bow and arrow “ is archery “, and only die hard elitists in whatever style or method of archery used, will go by that term,......” proper archery “. And every time one gets toooooo far into that kind of thinking......well then, it just takes the fun out of all, just shooting simplicity..........Bow, arrow, Target .......learn it with proficiency, accuracy, consistency, and just simply have fun with it, or survive with it. Cause the end result is always the same no matter what style it is, and that’s hitting your target. “ method of K.I.S.S. “ .......Keep It Simple Silly 😇🙏🏹🏹🏹👍
The problem with thumb draw is that the thumb can get injured much easier than when pulling with three fingers.
Nice to see you up and running
Excellent advice. Thank you Lars & Armin
I often say, rather you pulled the string with your toes or your feet, upside down or backwards....Archery is getting the arrow from point A to point B. How it got there doesn't matter. All the made up rules, these "experts" who say this is the right way, this is the most efficient way. They learned archery one way and assume that way is how everyone should do it. As ancient as Asiatic archery is, there are still people frequently telling those who shoot thumb release that their arrow is on the wrong side of the bow or that they should be shooting 3 under or split finger with a tab.
Imagine telling an ancient Mongolian or Ming archer, or Egyptian archer, or English Longbow man, or Native American the way they shoot is wrong and not archery bc its not how its not Olympic archery...
At the end of the day if you are comfortable, if your body and mind found a soothing, efficient way to do archery, then for you that is enough to be archery, bc that arrow is getting from bow to whatever your target is.
Lovely bow.
Good to see you again. 😊
Going strong Armin!
As long as you can replicate accurately the result will be accurate. The only wrong way I can see is technique that risks damage to your body, equipment or others. Knowledge of archery enables you to learn from the experience of fellow archers right back through history and understand the physics / zen involved. I just find it all fascinating 🤷🏻♂️.
Awesome as always 🙏
Maybe archery is about what you want to do with a bow of any kind. My child is 5yo and has a plastic bow. If the target is hit from 2 meters with all three plastic suction-up arrows into the 9 and 10, I call that the beginning of an archer.
I used to get the argument that a thumb ring in Asiatic archery is a release aid... pfft, so we're my fingers when I shot with english longbow 🤣
Hahah exactly
is anyone else curious about the peculiar camera angle for Lars shooting arrow after arrow through the keyhole? Why don't we get to see the other side of the keyhole during the shot?
I think it is OK to draw with the thumb on a lighter bow. But with a 50 pound bow like mine, I can really feel the strain on the tendons when trying to draw with the thumb. It doesn't feel safe. So I must use a slower technique, like Kassai.
He’s just amazingly talented, and the rest of us follow in his humble wake 😂
Who is this imposter calling himself Asiatic Archery? He looks just like the fellow from Malta Archery! Are they twins? Good to see you up and running Armin, the community would be a sad place without you. Let me hopefully be the first to send a cup of coffee your way as we all appreciate what you do for us. Cheers from Upstate, NY USA
Hahahaha thank you
If you hit a target with an arrow you released that's archery, it's similar to the lucky punch theory if I throw it and it lands then its not lucky its a punch.
I love my bows .. and I admire the skill/ intuition/ expertise of any Bowman /Archer., but.. I don't want to make things easy for myself by using 'sights' etc, ...So I shoot Trad Bows, 'Oriental' bows and a couple of 'bare bows'... I like shooting them all ... It's more a mental thing for me.... I want the challenge of 'doing better than yesterday'.
Thank you Lars and Armin, you are both inspire.
oh by the way , nice to watch you again Armin....
I fully agree! Archery is about having fun, so whatever makes archery fun for you is right for you!
It comes down to personal choice I'm new to this sport still waiting until my draw lengh gets longer before I buy my first bow.
Heheh.... Archery is; a bow, arrow(s) and a target. The target can be ANYTHING; Stationary, moving, alive (follow the laws!!) and so on. You (the archer) can be stationary or moving. No matter what bow type/style used is fine. Arrows must be calibrated after the bow/bow type for best preformance (length, and most important, weight). Shooting style.... what works for you does the job. The goal/purpose has always been hitting the target. Enjoy!!
Great way to start my Friday! Thanks!
Killing and the practice of killing is "proper" archery not that I care about such things or practice such things. Its sole purpose is to kill an animal to eat or a human to defend or conquer. Everything else we do with a bow is just practice for such an act. Just figured I would have a go at answering the statement 😂.
For me it's about collecting myself and having some time out I just really enjoy sending things down range and hanging out with like minded people 👍