Making the dead beat much more robust to accidental damage. Magnets can save the day! Music by Wintergatan. (thanks) Link to model escapement on Grabcad grabcad.com/li...
I am quite late to the party but I'm a clock repairman and I see a similar solution to this for many clocks, and that's simply a clamp or a friction clutch that connects the pallet arbor to the crutch. I think the biggest advantage the magnets has is that you can knock it out of adjustment and the magnets will disengage but then reengage at the correct angle again. The friction clutches do not do this, many of them are designed specifically to give way and then hold their angle, to self correct their beat, and you don't need this on a tower clock. An alternative to the magnets is a ball detent, but of course that way over complicates it. Nice idea man
Thanks, the main thing I was trying is no play at all, very accurate positioning and self resetting. I used it on a tower and regulator so far and both wiring well. An idea I saw on these posts is put the mechanism on the crutch. I am going to think more on that.
@@KevinNolanMakes Yeah putting it on the crutch is also an interesting idea because the "breakpoint" is lower; as in the force required to disengage the magnets would need to be effectively lower because the pendulum has more mechanical advantage on it. Also, this is probably very quite minor, but having the magnets that close to the pallets and the pallet arbor could possibly cause some magnetism, putting in on the crutch, which is usually brass, eliminates that; although this is likely erroneous. the magnets on the pallet arbor does seem to be the simplest idea though since the manufacturing process is just to make two disks with off-center holes for the magnets in them staked onto the pallet arbor (at least that's one way of making it)
@@gragaloth6237 agree. Those were many of things that drove it to the way I implemented it. I keep thinking there might still be a simpler way that would require less non “ standard” parts.
I did not expect Wintergatan's music to be in the background. In the middle of the video I just thought "wait I kind of recognise that music, but I can't put my finger on it..." 5 seconds later my jaw literally dropped Also what is discussed in the video is also pretty interesting! I will make a grandfather clock for a school project made out of 3D printed components, so I think implementing something like shown in the video is pretty overkill ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m a big fan of his. For your clock you really don’t need what I described. You should use an anchor escarpment for sure. They are much more forgiving then other types and the printer resolution will be good enough for it.
@@KevinNolanMakes an anchor escapement? They seem easier to design compared to a deadbeat escapement, although don't you think that the extra recoil due to the anchor escapement's recoil could wear down the mechanisms quite quickly due to being made out of plastic? Although now that I think about it that shouldn't really matter considering that both the escapement wheel and the... I don't actually know what it's called... the claw thing that differs between the anchor and deadbeat escapement are made out of plastic. I have seen a few videos showcasing 3D printed clocks, and from what I can remember all of them use the deadbeat escapement. Do you think it would make the project way harder if I tried to use that? For the project I have a goal to make the clock as efficient as possible (meaning as accurate and as long-lasting without having to be wound up), so even if it is harder I might be "forced" to try to make a deadbeat work in either case. What do you think?
I have used a version of your design in the clock I am currently building. The difference is that I've incorporated the mechanism where the crutch connects to the pallet arbor rather than where the pallets join the pallet arbor. I found this easier as I didn't have to worry about upsetting the geometry of the pallets. Also I have used a spring instead of magnets. I like the idea of being able to adjust the strength of the spring. I haven't got a CNC facility, and this was pretty tricky to do by hand, but it seems to work well. The clock isn't finished, so I'll have to wait and see if it works in practice. Thank you very much for the idea
I like the idea of putting it where the crutch connects but would look at magnets instead of springs. Magnets have no play until they break. You don’t want any relative movement until the force is overcome. Great idea and if you can do the same type approach at the crutch it could be easier and simpler which is always a good thing. Thanks for commenting and good luck. Would love to see your design when you get it.
@@KevinNolanMakes I've finished making it but haven't finished the clock yet, so don't know how it will perform yet. I could send you a picture but don't know how to do that.
Hey, that’s some terrific innovation. Well done. It would be difficult to imagine a mechanical device that has had more high level mental energy expended on it than a timekeeping escapement. And yet, you have managed to come up with something quite unique.....and useful. Well done Sir!
Thanks for the note, I think it is a bit of cheating as the powerful permanent magnets are somewhat of a new invention, If they were available I am sure we should find more of them in clocks. I have also used them as a clutch for the min hand.
Beautiful elegant design, very impressive. Excellent workmanship. The logo on the front of the clock face, do you have a picture of that? It looks like "GE"?
Thanks for the nice comments. Yes it is a replica of the GE clock that is in NY City at the old GE headquarters on Lexington Ave. in some of my other videos I show the clock in its final spot in Stamford Ct.
Hi Kevin. I am currently building a regulator clock with a dead beat escapement. I am very interested in your design and would be very interested in some more information on this if you have it. I like the way it corrects itself and the clock just keeps on running. The design in the John Wilding clock will stop the clock and is tricky to reset.
That is a main benefit. I posted a STEP filegrabcad.com/library/dead-beat-escapement-1 The file does not show the magnets but you can see the space for two small neodymium. I used a CNC to make it easy to make but could be done the old fashion way.
@@KevinNolanMakes Thanks Kevin. I'll be making it the old fashioned way, but your design beats everything else I've seen, so I'm going to give it a try. It will be a while before I get to the installation of the escapement, but I'll let you know how I get on.
@@brianwarburton4482 great let me know if you need any help along the way. I used the design on the regulator I built following wildings design. I also made some other improvements on that that I published in videos. Would love to see your progress.
@@KevinNolanMakes I saw your design for the key which I will also use. I have cut all the wheels and pinions for the clock but still have a lot to do before get to the key. I've also incorporated bearings for the large arbours and a different maintaining works. I'll let you know how I get on.
The music detracts from the video. I wish youtube would allow users to disable background music. Do you have a version without it? We'd like to hear the ticking.
Don't get me wrong I really like your idea... But, magnets will get weaker over time. How long that is depends on the material and quality. I am not saying there will be no magnets to get in the future, but sources of neodymium are scarce on this planet and certain things can happen (political) so that getting magnets of a specific size and strength could be very difficult. I am not a clock/watch maker but I would consider a single (coiled?) spring instead. I am just mentioning this, trying to be as respectful as I can, in case you haven't thought about this issue, which I think you maybe already have.
Good points. The permanent magnets hold the power over a long time and there is plenty of margin in the force. Also they are so small if there is a shortage that we can’t get these tiny magnets we probably have big problems. Thanks for the comments and watching the videos
I absolutely love the fact that the music is Wintergatan's Marble machine.
It would be better to hear the ticking of the escapement
I've loved that song for years, glad to see it in the wild
My first thoughts too 🥰
I am quite late to the party but I'm a clock repairman and I see a similar solution to this for many clocks, and that's simply a clamp or a friction clutch that connects the pallet arbor to the crutch. I think the biggest advantage the magnets has is that you can knock it out of adjustment and the magnets will disengage but then reengage at the correct angle again. The friction clutches do not do this, many of them are designed specifically to give way and then hold their angle, to self correct their beat, and you don't need this on a tower clock. An alternative to the magnets is a ball detent, but of course that way over complicates it. Nice idea man
Thanks, the main thing I was trying is no play at all, very accurate positioning and self resetting. I used it on a tower and regulator so far and both wiring well. An idea I saw on these posts is put the mechanism on the crutch. I am going to think more on that.
@@KevinNolanMakes Yeah putting it on the crutch is also an interesting idea because the "breakpoint" is lower; as in the force required to disengage the magnets would need to be effectively lower because the pendulum has more mechanical advantage on it. Also, this is probably very quite minor, but having the magnets that close to the pallets and the pallet arbor could possibly cause some magnetism, putting in on the crutch, which is usually brass, eliminates that; although this is likely erroneous. the magnets on the pallet arbor does seem to be the simplest idea though since the manufacturing process is just to make two disks with off-center holes for the magnets in them staked onto the pallet arbor (at least that's one way of making it)
@@gragaloth6237 agree. Those were many of things that drove it to the way I implemented it. I keep thinking there might still be a simpler way that would require less non “ standard” parts.
I did not expect Wintergatan's music to be in the background. In the middle of the video I just thought "wait I kind of recognise that music, but I can't put my finger on it..." 5 seconds later my jaw literally dropped
Also what is discussed in the video is also pretty interesting! I will make a grandfather clock for a school project made out of 3D printed components, so I think implementing something like shown in the video is pretty overkill ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m a big fan of his.
For your clock you really don’t need what I described. You should use an anchor escarpment for sure. They are much more forgiving then other types and the printer resolution will be good enough for it.
@@KevinNolanMakes an anchor escapement? They seem easier to design compared to a deadbeat escapement, although don't you think that the extra recoil due to the anchor escapement's recoil could wear down the mechanisms quite quickly due to being made out of plastic? Although now that I think about it that shouldn't really matter considering that both the escapement wheel and the... I don't actually know what it's called... the claw thing that differs between the anchor and deadbeat escapement are made out of plastic.
I have seen a few videos showcasing 3D printed clocks, and from what I can remember all of them use the deadbeat escapement. Do you think it would make the project way harder if I tried to use that? For the project I have a goal to make the clock as efficient as possible (meaning as accurate and as long-lasting without having to be wound up), so even if it is harder I might be "forced" to try to make a deadbeat work in either case. What do you think?
Great idea Kev and great workmanship. Looking forward to seeing it complete and into to its final destination.
You and me both, this has been a real fun project. I am almost not looking forward to being done. Hope all is well
Great solution. Thanks for sharing.
That’s awesome! Cool design.
I have used a version of your design in the clock I am currently building. The difference is that I've incorporated the mechanism where the crutch connects to the pallet arbor rather than where the pallets join the pallet arbor. I found this easier as I didn't have to worry about upsetting the geometry of the pallets. Also I have used a spring instead of magnets. I like the idea of being able to adjust the strength of the spring. I haven't got a CNC facility, and this was pretty tricky to do by hand, but it seems to work well. The clock isn't finished, so I'll have to wait and see if it works in practice. Thank you very much for the idea
I like the idea of putting it where the crutch connects but would look at magnets instead of springs. Magnets have no play until they break. You don’t want any relative movement until the force is overcome. Great idea and if you can do the same type approach at the crutch it could be easier and simpler which is always a good thing. Thanks for commenting and good luck. Would love to see your design when you get it.
@@KevinNolanMakes I've finished making it but haven't finished the clock yet, so don't know how it will perform yet. I could send you a picture but don't know how to do that.
@@KevinNolanMakes Hi Kevin, I've tried sending you an email at the above address but my mail server is telling me that it is an invalid address
Strange I double checked and that is correct. I thought maybe a typo but it’s correct. Check the spelling you put.
@@KevinNolanMakes I tried again and it worked. This time typed the address out rather than cutting and pasting. That seemed to do the trick.
Super design Kevin.
Nicely done Sir.
Hey, that’s some terrific innovation. Well done. It would be difficult to imagine a mechanical device that has had more high level mental energy expended on it than a timekeeping escapement. And yet, you have managed to come up with something quite unique.....and useful. Well done Sir!
Thanks for the note, I think it is a bit of cheating as the powerful permanent magnets are somewhat of a new invention, If they were available I am sure we should find more of them in clocks. I have also used them as a clutch for the min hand.
I love this, my dream house has a clock tower.
Very cool. Adjusting the beat should be easy and safe.
Beautiful elegant design, very impressive. Excellent workmanship.
The logo on the front of the clock face, do you have a picture of that? It looks like "GE"?
Thanks for the nice comments. Yes it is a replica of the GE clock that is in NY City at the old GE headquarters on Lexington Ave. in some of my other videos I show the clock in its final spot in Stamford Ct.
Very cool!
Hi Kevin. I am currently building a regulator clock with a dead beat escapement. I am very interested in your design and would be very interested in some more information on this if you have it. I like the way it corrects itself and the clock just keeps on running. The design in the John Wilding clock will stop the clock and is tricky to reset.
That is a main benefit. I posted a STEP filegrabcad.com/library/dead-beat-escapement-1
The file does not show the magnets but you can see the space for two small neodymium. I used a CNC to make it easy to make but could be done the old fashion way.
@@KevinNolanMakes Thanks Kevin. I'll be making it the old fashioned way, but your design beats everything else I've seen, so I'm going to give it a try. It will be a while before I get to the installation of the escapement, but I'll let you know how I get on.
@@brianwarburton4482 great let me know if you need any help along the way. I used the design on the regulator I built following wildings design. I also made some other improvements on that that I published in videos. Would love to see your progress.
@@KevinNolanMakes I saw your design for the key which I will also use. I have cut all the wheels and pinions for the clock but still have a lot to do before get to the key. I've also incorporated bearings for the large arbours and a different maintaining works. I'll let you know how I get on.
The music detracts from the video. I wish youtube would allow users to disable background music. Do you have a version without it? We'd like to hear the ticking.
I don’t have a clean version but thanks for the feedback. Will change how I do these in the future.
Do you sell those or have plans to build one??? I’d pay gladly! Sick of adjusting mine
Just the escapement i mean
I have published some things on grabcad. The models should be there, look under my name Kevin Nolan
great video Kevin, but I still think you should just do tic tok with these video lengths.
Tick tock seems like a great place to post clock videos.
@@stevesclocks that would also take me knowing how to use it:)
Is that the wintergatan marble machine song in the background?
Yea I am a big fan
@@KevinNolanMakes that's really nice!!
great video btw
Don't get me wrong I really like your idea... But, magnets will get weaker over time. How long that is depends on the material and quality. I am not saying there will be no magnets to get in the future, but sources of neodymium are scarce on this planet and certain things can happen (political) so that getting magnets of a specific size and strength could be very difficult. I am not a clock/watch maker but I would consider a single (coiled?) spring instead. I am just mentioning this, trying to be as respectful as I can, in case you haven't thought about this issue, which I think you maybe already have.
Good points. The permanent magnets hold the power over a long time and there is plenty of margin in the force. Also they are so small if there is a shortage that we can’t get these tiny magnets we probably have big problems. Thanks for the comments and watching the videos
Please please please remove this piano playing over your commentary
Good feedback. I don’t have the original video anymore. Sorry!
Please please delete the background music.
Thanks I have stopped in future videos. To hard to go back and edit
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