I served with the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment. When we deployed to Operation Desert Storm, a PsyOps Platoon was attached to my Troop. Before the the start of the Ground War, one of our Scout Platoons had the mission to provide overwatch up to the border area where Iraqi units were known to be dug in, while the PsyOps guys,( call sign "Mind Bender") played the sound track of F-Flicks of women having orgasms etc. It was hilarious.
@@Libertybabe , "The Nayirah Testimony" was outright propaganda at an international level, that was endorsed by numerous people to include Amnesty International. Big Lie that got bought and sold.
@sambankman-Zelensky, it wasn't intended to be intimidating. It was harassment. The same way that Noriega got blasted with heavy metal music 24/7 in Panama by the same type unit. Harassment and interdiction.
The best story I've heard was some unit dropping Squads of Parachutes strapped to Ice Blocks, with telltale signs these Parachutes belong so USA SEALS. When the Ice Blocks melt, you end up with Phantom Squads of SEALS that infiltrated your AoR... that could be anywhere.
I was a PSYOP team chief for 8 years. We did plenty of CQB. I think people get confused because PSYOP is best known for developing leaflets and shit but PSYOP detatchments also have tactical teams that embed with line elements. I went on plenty of missions with MP's, Infantry, Field Artiliery, and even ODA. Believe me, the TPT guys don't like the leaflets and shit either; we used to take the leaflets to the burn pit and burn them then in our SITREP we'd say we diseminated all of it and give the grid coordinates of the burn pit. As for the tactical stuff, the deal was that as a 3 man team we really couldn't get to a lot of places by ourselves so we'd embed with whatever unit was going where we needed to be. The deal was that we'd help them with their mission if they then pulled security or whatever for us while we did ours. I know the 2ID and 82nd Airborne guys I worked with liked having us with them. The couple of times I went out with ODA, they seemed kind of annoyed at our presence and if I'm being honest, I was annoyed to be there too. Those missions didn't really feel like there was overlap and it felt more like we were there so that our detachment NCOIC could say his guys were going out with special forces. It always felt to me like the line guys either thought I was some sort of super high speed ghost operator (which I wasn't) or a complete POG (which I also wasn't) but there was no in between.
As former psyop specialist I have to disagree with their intro. I spent very little time behind a desk and no time on line. There is a difference between the guys back at the base and the ones on teams actually carrying out the psyop operations. Psyop has many facits and few of them can be performed from behind a desk.
@Haku Yuki like abusing fellow soldiers, cheating on wives and killing local wildlife for fun. Pretending to work while watching every movie ever made for free, stolen. The bullshit is so real with these "jobs". The military is huge money fire.
Army recruiting didn’t do this video, 4th Psyop Group did. Just so you know, SSG Knauss, who was the last soldier to die in Afghanistan and one of the now famed 13 was a Psyop guy. He wasn’t on a computer in some closet. Its also not a new thing. You missed the symbology of the ghost hanging in a tree. Thats the patch of the ghost army from WWII, that used this capability to trick Hitler into moving his forces away from the main US advancements. They weren’t in some safe room either. Out front on the line taking fire from Germany’s primary units so the Allied main assault would have less resistance. The USASOC HQ is called the McClure building. Named after MG Robert McClure a Psychological Operations Specialist and considered the father of Special Operations. SWCS, was once called the Psychological Warfare Department. You didn’t even know Psyop guys went to language school (the exact same one SF guys go to), and have never worked with one but your going to educate civilians about what they really do. Ok my guy. There is alot more to the job than sitting on a computer, throwing leaflets out of a plane and loudspeakers. For anyone considering the job that may feel different after watching this review, they are off on most of what they said. Talk to someone that does the job. SF guys don’t like sharing the command with others. Thats about the only true thing you can take away from this review. By the way there is no S in PSYOP it’s an acronym. The OP in PSYOP is operations. No need for the extra letter it makes you sound ignorant.
Spot on Brother! It' very disappointing to see someone who probably many folks look up to, spread misinformation. Trying to talk down to someone or something does not make you big...Educate yourself before you wanna give lesson. Humility is a virtue.
Yeah, this whole thing was pretty distasteful if I have to be honest. The way Buck talks in this video shows a whole other side of him that honestly tears down the whole "cool, calm, and collected professional" that he tries to portray. Major asshat SF guy vibes. The lack of knowledge that's VERY present, just irks the hell out of me.
Yeah, I could seriously feel the hurt ego vibes. Their response video needs a disclaimer that SF competes for the same pool of candidates the video is targeting. Also found it amusing that I was hit with four ads before I stopped watching.
Yeah, these guys display a ton of ignorance here, from first few moments you can tell they know very little about PSYOP. I spent 5 years in PSYOP and it was a great experience, I got to participate in and contribute to some very cool stuff and and felt I punched way above my weight compared to any other career field in the military.
Former PsyOps, 37F. Was embedded on some Ranger missions and had to be able to do CQB. Sorry to break your heart, we have a DA arm. I did both HumInt and SigInt. From field interrogation, geo-locating, as well as civil affairs. Counterintelligence. Propaganda. We had TCCC training so we could treat villagers. We did language to interact with locals. But we ARE NOT tip of the spear. We support 2nd tier.
I think we should call ourselves "the breath at the tip of the spear" 😂 Always there, not necessarily noticed, impact is invisible at the surface level, heard more than seen. Makes sense in my head anyways
After watching this reaction, it is apparent that these dudes have no idea what Psyop troops do. I am not one, but I have worked with them pretty extensively.
to me, a civilian, it seems like they also don’t know how this recruitment video reads to an actual civilian. I at no point assumed that you’d be directly involved in the action one way or the other. To me the video, like the magic, were just setting the tone.
The best part of this is these guys spent the entire video defending their egos but not realizing that they just exposed how sensitive they are. 11Bs got your 6
@@solokom Infantryman MOS. Basically what homeboy here is saying is that grunts have PSYOPS back, which we do. Infantry has everyone’s back because conventional infantry do literally everything. It’s the jack of all trades. We got tasked out with literally everything other MOS are responsible for. I’ve moved ammo like supply should, I’ve scrubbed chemicals like CBRN should, I’ve gone to propaganda courses to assist our PSYOPS units, I’ve repaired my Humvee several times because our mechanics couldn’t get to is, I’ve called Air support and Artillery like Forward Observers do (in training, never seen combat), I’m certified Combat Life Saver and First Aid like medics, I’ve secured areas and cleared rooms like Ranger batt, I’ve rode on Chinooks and Blackhawks and Little Birds, I’ve flown drones, I’ve done some counter intelligence work on deployment, like we literally have to do everything. A lot of SOF guys get pissy when other SOF units besides theirs gets notorious. When in reality everyone participates equally. And to be quite honest as badass as wearing black OCP’s rolling in on a little bird with quad nods is to capture an HVT, conventional infantry has had to do similar shit. And in all reality Infantry is the only reason anything works in the Army. The entire US Military revolves around supporting Combat Arms, specifically the Infantry. The infantry is worst and best job for a soldier, because you get to do the walking around at night shooting targets and flying on helicopters, but you also see the other side of paperwork and mindless chores of other MOS’s. It’s the Army pick your poison.
Guys - you should have someone who actually works in PSYOP on here. Y'all come across as having no idea what PSYOP is or what they do. I was only in PSYOP for 5 years but I had teams: - On objective with a T2 element (doing CQB in some cases) though I agree it's not the focus of PYSOP and shouldn't be highlighted so heavily in recruiting - Doing very shadowy interagency work - Using their TS-SCI every day on compartmentalized programs - Punching way above their weight class by rank; I had E6/E7s sending plans to the SECDEF for approval in a sensitive environment and getting recognition from him at the end of their tour - Using their languages to work through local forces in building influence campaigns or countering adversary propaganda - Doing a lot of cool stuff that I really can't talk about here, but if you look at the schools that PSYOP folks routinely go to (Military Deception, SERE-C, Social Media Exploitation, etc) you might get some idea Was the recruiting video accurate? It was maybe 50% accurate to my experience, but PSYOP is so broad and doing so many different things in so many different countries and environments that after 5 years in the community I'd hesitate to make any blanket statements about what PSYOP is and isn't.
this was about the recruiting video. We will have a psyop person on at some point to talk about how awesome Psyop is. We have no issue with Psyop. relax.
SF is ego ego! Everyone wants to be number 1. Psyops play a critical function in the long-term mission as a whole. It's not hardcore tho lol but since all SF egos are so big they like to portray as a badass. It's common sense the badasses will always be the ones killing bad guys. The top dawgs are the ones who you'll never hear about. The real ghost.
couple of things: * plenty of psyop guys were out with infantry teams in Iraq. I was one of them. Deployed with 1st MEF at first (that was weird/great to be with Marines), then I was transferred to Baghdad, then Talil where we jerked off until the SOFA agreement in 09. Passive intelligence gathering when on missions was a lot of what we did. * Regarding manipulating riots: yes, that's possible. Psyop deals with manipulating masses to modify behavior. * We did a LOT of practicing room-clearing and basic infantry TTPs, not to be good at doing it, but in case whomever they were attached to needed an extra gun. But previous psyop fuckup battalion fucked up psyop reputation by being douchy and stupid, thinking they were "high speed". * Psyop does indeed do language training. It's really *really* helpful. We had a 6 week arabic course, but plenty of people go to Defense Language Institute for language help. * Afghanistan was fucking stupid for leaflet drops... nobody could read anyway. Iraq was stupid for leaflet drops, because they would put out handbills and drop leaflets saying "pick up trash, keep Iraq beautiful". Are you fucking kidding me? Leaflet drops.... saying pick up your trash... genius work there, guys. Loudspeakers, newspaper articles, tv spots, etc. were all places where psyop worked.
The pick up your trash one was genius. I think that WAS the whole point. Fuck with their heads and rile them up to your American stupidity. Thus drawing insurgents out from the shadows to attack and reveal themselfs
The leaflet drops during both Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom (the invasion part) were very effective in influencing the Iraqi Army to surrender. They contained messages, that essentially said “Coalition forces are more powerful than you, and if you wish to live follow these instructions.”Then it gave verbal and pictorial instructions on how to lay down arms and surrender. Ever see the videos where hundreds of Iraqi Soldiers surrender to squad or platoon sized elements? Thank a Psyops Soldier.
It works if the Psyops Alanysts do their job properly. There was this instance where they dropped a leaflet with a Dove on it to express peace and the Afghans would show up to coallition forces members with the leaflet asking for free chicken cause they thought it was a coupon.
I worked quite a bit with psyops before and after (not during) JUST CAUSE. They helped put a more effective spin on our tactical deception activities. They also produced the videos we played to the civilian population during and after the operation and provided direction for photo ops with regards to the swearing in of the new government. In the aftermath, when I was working to turn the Panamanian Air Force into a civil aviation service organization, they gave me a lot of great ideas to help convince the general population that the new NAS was not out to terrorize them, but to help them. A few examples: from camo paint job to one resembling the Panamanian flag, and landing helicopters on the beach on Saturday and Sunday, giving impromptu tours to the sunbathers. Not exciting, and certainly not parked at the elbow of an "L" ambush, but they were quite helpful and effective at getting the job done. The "Ghost in the Machine" video looks like an effective recruiting tool (probably a class project at the psyops school), but, true to form, puts a heavy dose of lipstick on that mammal.
Don’t all branches put heavy lipstick on ? I’ve seen to many ads and videos of all military branches and haven’t seen one yet that doesn’t brag up their branch and lie to get you to sign . 🤦🏽♀️
@@nodrive I'm sure many people have various opinions on that. That's OK. I was there before, during, and after JUST CAUSE. I made many Panamanian friends while I was there and am still in contact with some of them. I am totally comfortable with having been a part of taking down a monster of a dictator and allowing Panama to be governed through its constitutional processes. By the way, that new National Air Service (SAN) performed brilliantly in the aftermath of the devastating earthquake at Bocas del Toro, having provided significant humanitarian relief and medical evacuations. Yes, the SAN DID help Panama and Panamanians, and I am proud to have put my fingerprint on it. I didn't need psyops to clue me in on that.
Former 37F here. First, neither of these guys worked with psyops so they only know the bias of what their unit thought. Second, I served before the internet was really a thing other then dial up AOL. So no, we did not spend most of our time behind a desk. Third. We are everywhere and the tip of the spear because we are in country often BEFORE hostilities break out staging the battlefield, providing intel, and developing assets. Fourth. One mission I will share had two guys go out with a loudspeaker making a racket outside of an enemy base of about 1000 soldiers. This allowed the attack group to hit them from behind after the enemy took the bait and chased the decoy. Not Jason Bourne but still crazy to expose yourself to that kind of danger. Fifth. I could go on and on, but i will remind everyone that one of the 13 soldiers killed in the Afghanistan pull out was in psyops. He was not behind a desk that day.
Nowadays 8th POG is tactical, focused on the kinetic elements, attached to Batt and Group. Where as 4th POG is what your talking about, online, embassy details.
The fact that neither of you have worked with PSYOP as you stated 10 minutes in, pronounce the S, and don’t know they go to language school with SF and CA in their ARSOF pipelines, tells me you’re not as informed as you could be to make this video. It is a recruiting video so….. The PSYOP A&S is looking for something different than ODAs. They should it’s a different mission. So it is going to be different. Both have physical components but the intellect, critical thinking, communication skills, are critical to the success of the PSYOP mission. Wouldn’t you want to assess those? Someone told me recently they select less of a percentage of those who try than the other ARSOF tribes. It’s highly selective. That was NOT the case before A&S. PSYOP is aging out of those “special” types. It’s an improving branch in the Army. Is it possible your experience is out of date? There’s a great deal more to PSYOP than working with ODAs and AOBs. You’re assuming they’re tactically focused like an ODA. The overwhelming majority are not because that’s not that particular mission. There’s so much more to PSYOP and it’s wickedly misunderstood across the SF community. PSYOP units are in countries where no other SOF are on missions and working out of embassies living on the economy. They are moving about the population in many of those countries. They must understand the target audiences. So I understand SF soldiers wouldn’t be aware of those missions but they do exist and are independent of Special Forces and AOBs. There are many PSYOP forces integrated into other SOF elements but to your point, the PSYOP forces are not on their own conducting CQB. I think in the minds of the creator, they were trying to show integration but likely it is interpreted as unilateral operations. Not the case nor would it ever be the case. I’m unsure how many non-SOF Soldiers interpreted that snippet the way that you guys did. They don’t know anything about it. But I see why you did. Valid point. Yes, much of their work is digitally based. They rely heavily on computers. They have to. It’s a complicated job. There’s production involved. They use many forms of media. You pointed out social media. That’s true. But there’s satellite TV, internet based TV, radio in all forms, print (much less now), cyber enabled….. wherever the target audience is, that’s where they’ll engage them. Thin slicing the entire PSYOP mission to leaflets and loudspeakers is an overly simplistic over representation of only tactical PSYOP. Reaching TAs can be tough in austere environments. That said, in those environments there’s an SF O5 or O6 directing them to reach those TAs and approving those operations and likely the products too. Leaflets may be the only way. Check history. They’ve used them to great effect in many conflicts. It’ll always be in the tool kit. I get it. People think of SOF and assume commandos. The ability to integrate into commando like SOF units is critical and they need to be prepared to do that. They also need to be prepared to go to embassies in countries where they may be the only SOF element, countries where they’re training partners to do PSYOP at the national level, plus many other ways in which they’re not tactically employed and thus next to ODAs. I appreciate your attempt to provide a reality check and reduce any expectation gap, but you may have actually introduced more incorrect information than the video presented. Remember, the TA are non-SOF and civilian recruits so the nuances you’re pointing out are meaningless to that TA. Let’s be real. When are recruiting videos 100% accurate? The Army recruiting videos are far more misleading but we wouldn’t know that if we were civilians. The Army presents an attractive product to civilians in an attempt to fill the ranks to protect our country. It’s reasonable to think PSYOP would do the same to fill their ranks.
These dudes have 0 understanding of PsyOp. But what would you expect from a MILSIM influencer trying to sell his protein powder. These dudes are literally wrong about 90% of everything they said in this video. Clown shit.
First of all, thank you for your service. I have been in the PSYOP community now for 19 years, deployed multiple times for the GWOT as a 37F. During my second tour, I was medically evacuated out of Iraq and sent home to Bragg for surgery and rehabilitation for combat injuries, and then back to Iraq a year and a half later. I can tell you that you have mis-characterized and displayed a lot of misunderstandings about what PSYOP is, what PSYOP does, and at what levels. Most of your criticisms may apply to the Strategic levels of Psychological Operations (which the video intimates), but not that much at the Operational level, and not at all at the Tactical evel. The level I, and others, participated in over three combat tours in Iraq. The interpretations you Gentlemen made about the ‘shadows’, the ‘close quarter combat’ and ‘tip of spear’ is totally misunderstood. As a tactical PSYOP Team leader, I spent 9 1/2 to 10 months out of a 12 month tour in the cities, villages, regions of Iraq and imbedded with the people we were trying to influence; friendly, neutrals, or enemy. Many of the images that people saw on the news during the Syrian war that influenced and changed a lot of the thinking, and actions of not only individuals but governments, was due to PSYOP at the strategic level, working through operational and tactical PSYOP. If you would ever like to have a discussion about what PSYOP really is, and does, more than happy to chat. I would be more than happy to have a discussion with you gentlemen, and share many of the insights that you did not get from this video, or just by reading about PSYOP, and I make this invitation very respectfully, and very honestly and openly to get more understanding about Psyop. On a lesser note, it is PSYOP not PSYOPS. Again, thank you for your service and thank you for your videos.
Think you guys are looking at this from a jaded and MIL perspective. I’m prior service, 8 year grunt and in no way was I getting the impression they were signaling you’ll be a DA force. How could you overlook the most apparent things and not speak on them? The rising threat in the east is factual. Also they’re not implying they created riots, they’re asking you question who did. They’re alluding to a war behind the scenes being fought and it’s almost very Q like. This is not an accident this was released at this time. Take off the MIL glasses and realize this isn’t a recruitment video. It’s a memo.
🧐Stop looking for (subs) you silly human beings..... you have know idea regarding the meaning and significance of this video...🦅✨👻🇺🇸 justice is coming to those who overthrow our government....🔥🔥🔥
This a review by SF on Psyops which shows that SF knows nothing about Psyops. I don't believe Psyops should be trying to be experts on Sf either so, everybody stay in their lane.
What about the tactical Psyop teams that get attached to special forces teams and ranger units that have to deploy with them and do all the same training as them? Psyopers don’t do CQB huh?
Another SOF career field to look into is AF Special Reconnaissance. They're worth looking into if anyone wants to go into SOF and you're interested in recce.
Bro ngl air force has some of the coolest speacial operations. Buuuttt all of then except tacp requires combat dive and that scares me tbh cuz im not the best swimmer and water up my nose makes me alil fucky. I'm swimming 4 times a week trying to get use to it.
@@bradenbagby4431 I had the same problem at first but it was something I just got used to over time by putting more time in at the pool. Also be sure to put in the time to get good at water confidence cause that and the rucks are what get a lot of people to quit at A&S as well as predive.
The thing is though, this is immensely well made. If they had the production quality and applied it to infantry recruiting ads or anything else, and kept the tone, they’d actually get recruits instead of dude bros sounding off about two mums.
Exactly. At this point I tell everyone to just join SOCOM. It doesnt mattet what unit honestly just go there. Avoid the regular Army like the plague. This ad only further shows the divide between SOF and everybody else. It's getting bigger by the day.
They attached two psyops guys to us one time on a training exercise practically just landnav to our hide/surv. Holy shit though those guys were fuckin weirdos and completely incompetent in the woods lmao.
What ODAs see PSYOP do is the SF equivalent of running a 25 meter, reflexive fire range. Afghanistan and Iraq were examples of battlefield operations. PSYOP does so much more.
Sounds like they're adopting Russian Psyop. I worked in PSYOP for 8 years. PSYOP actually deploy with Rangers, SF, Marines, work in Embassies. I worked with SF in South America, worked with Seals in Ramadi, Marines...so these guys don't know much either but whatever.
SSG Ryan Knauss was in the field… B/Co 9th PSYOP Bn…26AUG21 ring a bell for anyone? Wasn’t sitting at a desk when that all went down…Did everyone already forget about him?
The reason they are not telling the truth is that the truth is this: You will be doing the same stuff you would do at google or an advertising Agency. Only you earn 1/100th of the money and have 1/100th of the benefits. It's the same BS they used in JAG. If you join JAG you are a lawyer. You do the same stuff, that you do at any lawfirm only with Little pay, little recognition and zero actual advancement options. You will not be Harm, flying Jets and parachuting behind enemy lines while the judge decides on your case.
Still need Green Berets and Rangers . Psyops just a piece of it . Green Berets created AVRNG in Vietnam and had other tribes join that learn to fight against NVA. Drones will have problems in tropical dense environments. Psyops was going on in the 60’s and 80’s it’s not new . Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, . Commercial is bad 😂.
PSYOPS is tactical Don Draper, still pretty dope shit if you're into advertising and marketing, idk I find it cool. It also seems like the skills you learn can make you some good dough when you get out of the service. For example, copywriting makes people millions. They do language because they have to sell ideas to people from different countries, they have to learn cultures to know what drives people there, and how to manipulate them to be on our side, or surrender, or what have you.
I actually reclassed to Psyop like 11 years ago (ETS'd back in 2014)..... Can confirm the douchey attitudes of some the guys I deployed with. Some of them thought they were OAF haha, but there were other squared away guys as well. It definitely wasn't all it was cracked up to be, but honestly, it was more enjoyable than when I was 11B. Plenty of good missions if you brought value to the teams you were attached to, otherwise you were just an extra gun (which I suppose has its perks).
@@cadenlove9806 PsyOp is the correct use here- for those of us that were in the PsyOp community, we know that Psychological Operations is what PsyOp stands for, so saying “PsyOps” is like saying Psychological Operations’s. And if you said “PsyOps” at PsyOp school, you got to do Prison push ups until you learned it was just “PsyOp.”
The fact you're advocating for more psyops means they are doing their jobs well. With the repeal of the Smith-Mundt Act, it's now legal to use US tax money to directly propagandize US citizens in the US, a practice illegal for almost a century.
These guys admit they never worked with PSYOP in their career, while telling their audience they know everything about PSYOP....I hope at least one person sees the irony in that. these old 18 series know very little about how information warfare has evolved and the various units that are currently employing PSYOP assets within their organizations. Will PSYOP be doing actions on the target. No! Will they enable actions on the target to be successful? absolutely. You want to work at the tactical level, listen to these guys. You want to work at the operational or strategic level..... go to Mackall and find out on your own.
It's like the 11 Bravo recruiting. What they don't show is all the grounds maintenance, painting old buildings, painting rocks, picking up trash on the highway etc you will do most days.
The amount of ignorance portrayed by this pair is embarrassing - psychological warfare is the most powerful weapon out there, especially in guerrilla warfare which is what SF is supposed to be all about; there's a reason why SF came out of PsyOps. These two yahoo's are the epitome of what went wrong with SF since 9/11.
I served 20 yrs in the AF (Chair Force), but are they aiming to recruit the participation trophy kids in Hollywierd? The DoD is already faltering and hemorrhaging from multiple cuts. What is this?
Whoever made this promo video needs to work for Hollywood or Video game companies… imagine if this was a promo for a new series by the same people who produce Seal Team or a Band of Brothers type series… I’d be hyped
Interesting to note that they also used material from "The Big Picture" and MSG Queen and or another narrator from one of the episodes that covered Psychological Warfare including TV 206 - Truth is Our Defense.
I dunno, the guy sitting there with the sound monitors, seems like a sick deal. Record your psyops stuff and then bang out a fire mixtape on the job. Looks like free studio time to start your rap career while serving your country to me.
Interesting. And I just found out the other day that Pacino and DeNiro were both marines in Heat. That puts a different nuance on the coffeeshop scene.
I was interested in PSYOPS until i realized one of the selling points / aspects of their training is writing long ass essays while everyone else is going through a proper selection. Like..what? I get it's purpose, and respect it, but I find it amusing that they probably have PSYOPS people working specifically on selling PSYOPS to the next generation.
Of they're going to write essays. Their job is to study the enemy and figure out how to psyche them out. No amount of running CQB drills or burpies is going to find that answer. If everyone in the military had to be a shit hot operator, our military would be way too fucking small lol
@@globaladdict oh absolutely, it's just not how it's sold at face value, which is the part I find intriguing. The military flat out wouldn't be able to operate without the people in support roles.
@@OnTheRiver14 haha yes.. I was thinking that as soon as I hit send. Thankfully we have these bros shedding light on special forces life, and ladies and gentlemen from other units and branches doing the same.
Hey man love your videos. I am currently a college student, and I actually want to become a Psychological Operations Specialist and then later become a Special Forces soldier. I think everyone has their roles to play and I think people in the comments shouldn’t have to explain what they do. You guys are awesome and all equally important. The Department of Defense wouldn’t fund psyops if it wasn’t needed. I think psyops is good, and like they said in the video that was a perfect propaganda video. It certainly got me lol, and I do believe that their 9th Psychological Operations Battalion that belongs to the 8th Psychological Operations Group is their tactical unit.
save yourself some time and skip a 37f packet and go straight for sfas. If you fail sfas, you're most likely going to end up trying for psyop anyway to avoid the 82nd. Psyop gets in it's own way and very few people stay in psyop for long because the command climate and red tape are miserable.
@nofuxgoon that's a waste of time. If someone has desires to go SF, they should drop a packet when they're eligible to do so. There's no point in wasting time in other units if SF is what you want and you have what it takes. That goes for anything, ranger, delta, etc. If you meet the requirements, drop the packet. That unit will teach you to their standard regardless of your background.
I don't think people think they're going to be part of what they're seeing here, but rather behind it all, behind the scenes. Some of the great spots in it, under the "disinform" titling the floating body refers to Operation Mincemeat. Another is the galloping horses turning into a finger scrolling a screen. Then when the ghost starts waving his arms around and the drums start. Haha. Great editing like you guys said.
There is no s at the end, it's PsyOp. Also in the Marine Corps, it's now called MISO (Marine Corps Integrated Support Opperations). This has been since 2010
I was on a TPT Tactical PSYOP Team in Iraq 2003-2005 I served along side SFODA 515 and 561 I have my SF combat patch authorization if you'd like to see it. It was the 3 men on my team +SFODA+A Marine recon team who served together. GOD Bless.
It amazes me how so many military personnel and civilians are confident that they understand or know the capabilities of PSYOP and how they are applied. The analyses and critiques presented in this video are largely baseless, and seem to be yet just another technique used to portray SOF missions as only conducted effectively by SF; that any other SOF branch is considered less robust, less capable, simplistic and less serious. In fact, PSYOP can and should be inserted at the outset in most doctrinally defined SOF missions, and not later in some "support" capacity. PSYOP, tip of the spear, most certainly as a viable means to avoid conflict. This is not a zero sum game...that SOF capabilities applied by an unique and multifaceted branch detract or negate that of another. However, the commentary certainly points to that perspective. It is erroneous to try to compare one SOF branch with another, or try to critique another SOF branch objectively without having a sound understanding of another. SF are organized and applied completely different than PSYOP forces and capabilities. The commentators fail to understand this fundamental aspect of SOF. PSYOP missions to be conducted effectively and successfully require multiple disciplines and approaches in a complex orchestrated way applying multiple disciplines. PSYOP deal exclusively with human behaviors, in distinct cultures and across the entire operational spectrum. As such, PSYOP missions are unique. If these two gentlemen bothered to at least scan PSYOP doctrine, they would immediately become more aware. PSYOP, in their application, are nowhere akin to a SF A Team conducting missions autonomously in a given AO. That is clear. However, what these gentlemen fail to realize, is that PSYOP missions are executed by a variety of noticeably distinct assets including boots on the ground to those in the shadows, and in varying locations in conjunction with high tech and multimedia resources to achieve psychological objectives approved at the highest levels. Many are unaware of these facts. PSYOP require varying disciplines and abilities that are largely unrelated or disparate, making them challenging to plan and execute effectively. Again, a perusal of the doctrine would have been helpful for these gentlemen. PSYOP can be as simple and as complex as necessary, and are only constrained by intellectual prowess, sound imagination and varied resources. The weapon systems of PSYOP are typically organic and are always devised to uniquely fit a specific mission, or they can be obtained opportunistically from other military or official civilian sources. PSYOP in preparation of the battlespace, during conflict and post conflict require a fairly wide-ranging collective effort in their application...much more broadly multidisciplined at multiple levels than merely a team with boots on the ground, as these gentlemen seem to think. While PSYOPers are working in cyberspace, others may be applying tactical and operational level techniques to effect numerous objectives concurrently and/or in a multi-phased approach. So, in my estimation, every frame of this video accurately captures, the collective aspects of this robust and critical discipline and branch. PSYOP are and will always be difficult to understand or grasp as a military capability. That's what makes it totally bad ass and dope, if I may be permitted to parrot the terms used by these two gentlemen.
I enjoyed reading this reply. It was well written and thoughtful. PSYOP is clearly different and distinct from SF and CA. The reviewers perfectly describe the experience of "some" PSYOP soldiers, but not all. They admit they had limited exposure to PSYOP professionals; so they may not be fully aware of the board range of PSYOP and CA capabilities, missions, and history. While some PSYOP soldiers may be fortunate enough to have a low risk experience as described, that is not the case for all. PSYOP and CA missions have casualties. For example, Civil Affairs soldiers make up only about five percent of the U.S. Army's reserve forces, however they accounted for 23 percent of the combat fatalities among reservists in Iraq and Afghanistan alone, stated by the Center for Public Integrity. CA and PSYOP experience are listed as Desired Qualifications for those interested in continuing to serve their country as a Specialized Skills Officer at an intelligence agency. See this role as usajobs.gov to learn more.
So, they're POGs that engage with people. They're not warriors. Sometimes, they may get into combat sure... just like every single other MOS in country. SF and other operators are not just warriors, they go beyond that. You see the issue of PsyOp calling themselves tip of the spear considering what other people who are tip of the spear do compared to them? The ego of a POG.
My recruiter must have been one of those elusive PsyOps hero guys hiding in the shadows.....of the recruiting office basement. He convinced me that 11b was essentially SF light lol. I embraced the suck and owned that dotted line brother.
These hosts say "The Army should not be lying" in this recruitment video. In the recruiting video they say that "deception" is one of their missions. Killers do not tell people what they are doing. When they recruit you, they will not tell you what you will be doing.
I actually want to do the job you are describing lol....I want to be doing shit online never facing a bullet or experiencing the weather . Where do I sign up?
Psyops is still pretty fascinating. I find it refreshing that we are taking all aspects of war seriously unlike another certain country that invaded Ukraine. I honestly find the aspects of war outside of combat (logistics, intelligence, etc.) interesting. I like the big picture. To see the whole machine working. A lot of people will just focus in on elite units like green berets, but I’m sure you guys would be the first to admit y’all couldn’t do you job with out the rest of the military doing their job. It’s really cool to see how each part supports and is supported by another part
@@Zeralop litterally all his info on russia will be from non Russian sources, well except for some youtube comments sayin "help im 13 and russain our family fear for our life we dont want this war"
Psyops today: making Putin and Zelensky memes, arguing in the comments section with opposing psyop agents. And the best part? Doing it in the toilet while pooping.
The transition from “War is evolving” to “and all the world’s a stage” was so clumsy. It’s hard af to build a good PSYOP product, and that’s the only nitpicking I could find.
The Army has lots and lots of different kinds of jobs. I served myself for a 20-year career, I worked all day, I worked all year. But I was never at the "tip of the spear," I was back in the rear with the beer and the gear. 🙂 The Adjutant General's Corps "Defend and Serve"
Perhaps this is a psyop within many psyops... We're at the PRECIPICE. WHEN MR.T IS ARRESTED ANY DAY AND GB FRIENDS ASK ME TO GET THEM UP TO SPEED... I'LL HOLD THEM CLOSE TO MY ZERO FUCKS TO GIVE BUT I'LL STILL GIVE ZERO DISRESPECT AS WE R SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SAME SIDE. IF YOU KNOW YOU KNOW TIC TOC... 5:5 ZERO DELTA COMING LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS MIDTERMS DELAYED FUCKERY INBOUND
All I'm going to say, is there's a huge difference between a TPT and a PDD type role... I'm not saying it's door kicking john wick type stuff, but you're not giving us nearly enough credit. PSYOP does more work in the field than you're giving us credit for, to the point it's actually kinda distasteful in my opinion. Still gunna stick around, but dang.
didn't mean to do that brotha, for that I apologize. The damage was meant towards the video not the organization. We have a responsibility to help young men and women make choices they will not regret. If SF comes out with some crazy shit we will roast that too
I think something that gets a little lost in translation is that if you knew all of the specifics behind the daily operations of Psyops, then that kind of defeats the purpose. You're not supposed to know. You're not supposed to understand. You're seeing what they want you to see, and there is always more going on behind the scenes, which is blurred behind the lines of politics.
Hey psyop guy here had a phenomenal time working with my ODA partners down range. They were professional, mature, and realized in that part of the world, they were not the main effort. Neither was Psyop, it was actually CA. But PO was reinforcing and SF was really quite tertiary. Fortunately, we had no ego about it. Neither did CA, or the SF. And the team was made up of senior guys with several rotations through GWOT. In my experience, the SF guys that are so confrontational and gatekeeping the “SOF” title are the ones just out of the schoolhouse who grew up playing call of duty and listening to stories of GBs in Iraq and Afghanistan doing CQB and CT ops. Nowadays, SF is trying to get back to their roots, which is unconventional warfare. Because they collectively ignored that function and the Army decided to retool them as CT guys, the SFAB was created and essentially took their job. SF is going through an identity crisis. But like I said, the mature and intelligent SF guys understand the idea of force multipliers, and look at CA and PO as equal partners in trying to accomplish the mission. I think it was about 10-ish minutes into the video where these guys said they both never worked with PSYOP before. So…maybe preface your video with that? I agree this video could appear misleading. But Psyopers look at the full spectrum of high-intensity, LSCO and low-intensity operations and plan to influence populations based off all those factors. We don’t typically do a single “operation” and consider success or failure on the back end-our efforts are multigenerational and will take years to see results. If you don’t believe me, just look at China and Russia and our own CIA who do exactly this. A complete misunderstanding of what psyop is, terrible characterizations based off absolute idiot psyoppers that some guys have worked with, and a constant shooting ourselves in the foot by allowing ourselves to be run by SF leadership who refuse to learn about it. That’s why we are seen the way we are today.
Have a cousin whose son did 30 years in psyops. He retired 3 years ago. He spent a lot out of country, especially during the campaigns against ISIS and al quida (the spelling is probably wrong). He couldn't talk about what he did, but he had a haunted look the last few years - and he was a Major, so he was a long way from kicking down doors and clearing room. But I guess he cleared his share of rooms, just mentally. Make no mistake- psyops is used against allies as well as enemies. Are they thinking about pulling out of the war? Psyops is there as well as diplomacy. And as far as changing an ally"s mind about dropping out- you can get people rioting about nearly anything with social media. Nothing changes a country's mind like citizens rioting.
I don’t know if you’re referring to the “new” psyop, but when I was in psyop we only deployed with 1st, 3rd and 5th gro or Ranger Battalion and yes we were on the ground with them the whole time, stove duty Psyop has some high speed mofos in it “. We had to do 2 week selection, airborne, Sere C, language, and psyop school…was about a year total. That’s why a lot of guys go from psyop to 18 series..all we have to complete is selection, MOS school and small unit tactics. Can’t say there are no high spots dudes in active duty Psyop bro..that’s just a lie strait up. Yea the reserves is a joke, but active duty are mai my all tactical teams.
While I agree the video is somewhat misleading, you let your ignorance of PSYOP (no s) show. I deployed with 7/3, 3/1 and 20/2. Just because you didn’t have any PSYOP’ers on your deployments, doesn’t mean they don’t go on missions. I was going to educate you on what we do do ( I know, I said it), then I realized you can’t fix stupid.
The video is misleading. That’s the point of this video. It’s stock footage found on the internet and has nothing to do with PSYOP. End of story. Don’t mislead people to get sign ups or you might get called out
I ran 16 man detachment (1 officer and 15 enlisted). I had four 3 man teams, with each team being assigned to an ODA and living with them at the FOB. The 4 man HQ section was assigned to the BN HQ and and did “staff stuff”, supporting the teams and missions. While my guys did not “stack”, they did set up for squirters. They did get into TIC’s and were shoulder to shoulder with long tabbers. I will say only about 20% or so of PSYOP actually works with SOF units, with the rest working with big army. Even though I was pretty rough on you guys, I love the channel. Keep up the good work.
@@psyopsgtmaj7632 I... Uh... Couldn't help but notice the silence after you threw some experience out there... Calling PSYOP dorky, computer nerds is like calling ODA's special education teachers..
Over twenty years ago, the guy at MEPS showed me a video of an HMMWV with loudspeakers driving around the woods of Camp McKall. I said I don't get it. He answered, "son you will jump out of airplanes and Fuck with Peoples Minds". Somewhat true, but the guys in the video were absolutely right. But the usual Green Beret haterade was clearly present. A lot has changed in the regiment over the past twenty years, cant say the same about the ODA's.
I mean they're just trying to do others a favour. If you'd joined up because of this ad and found out the hard way, wouldn't you wish someone would've pointed it out sooner?
@@Wile_E._Wolf same can definitely be said about every other SOF unit out there. SF guys aren't DA either. In fact, the two jobs blend together in a lot of ways. Often times, where PSYOP missions and SF missions intertwine.. but these guys aren't ready to talk about none of that.
The aim of SF isn't DA. It's quite the opposite. Sure, PSYOP isn't DA, but that doesn't mean there aren't TPT's out there beatin feet with grunts or other SOF units. Cause there definitely are. I just don't like how condescending they sound talking about an area of unconventional warfare they're obviously not very familiar with. It's nowhere near as "leaflets and nerds" as they make it seem.
What they are doing is trash talking a video that may influence guys who are looking into doing a SOF job.They make money off SOF hopefuls. "Don't do this, pussy! Do our job! We will help get you there! Buy our shit, dude bro!" They do not want you to see this video and go PSYOP, which you may actually be better suited for. They want you to commit to the 18X pipeline, and buy their shit to "get ready" for it.You know, so you can fail spectacularly and end up an 11B, hating life, while the Army shows you how much it loves you. By raping you. Daily. Just like 99.8% of all the other rubes they sell their FNG shit to "get ready" to. You do like rape,right? All the world is a stage. If someone is trying to sell you something, but you can't understand what that product is, then the product is you.
You guys missed all the messages throughout the video. It wasn't a recruiting video. Play, pause, Google search, examine every shot, and search the frame. Happy hunting.
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I was in PSYOPS a long time ago bacj before there was an MOS but an identifier that was tacted to your Mos identifer F. Joinded as a 96B into the army (Intell Analyast) oxymoron if ever there was one. Wanted to enlist as a 19D at 17 but dad being a infantry and combat engineer from WW2 ,Korea and Vietneam (served in WW2 but not oversea) in combat a few years in Korea and 2 tours Vietnam. R.I.P. dad) Would not let me enlist in the army let alone combat arms so had to pick a non combat MOS, hence 96B. Ini Intell school. WO Green in charge of the 96B branch in Huachuca advised us the worst assignment for a 96B was a PSYOP unit. But said there is only one so no need to worry. (he did not tell us Ft Bragg was where they are at which is where I enlisted to go because my sister was there with her husband who was a SF medic in 5th GP, her idea so she can have family around since we are from CA) I got to Ft Bragg in Dec of 80 after basci and AIT. At 19th Replcement got my orders for 6th PSYOP Bn. I was ready to desert at that time with WO Greens tales of PSYOPS. Eventually went to psyop school, got the F designator as well as the Papa for jump school, was a 96B2PF. Evenually INVOLUNATRILY reclassified into a 96FP) 96F,, the first assigned MOS for PSYOP spciallist. And yea,, not what you do on that vid. But bear in mind in 80-88 PSYOPS was treated like a red headed step chld back then by JFKSWC (with very VERY little funding for PSYOPS) before becoming SOC. SOC did'nt want 4th POG or 96th CA but was stuck with them because no one else knew where to put them and SOCOM had the lowest voice to deny wanting them. But all in all, hey it was 8 years to my country I gave ,maybe a bit begrudginly not doing what I wanted to initially but would all over again. Sorry for my long rambling \
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I served with the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment. When we deployed to Operation Desert Storm, a PsyOps Platoon was attached to my Troop. Before the the start of the Ground War, one of our Scout Platoons had the mission to provide overwatch up to the border area where Iraqi units were known to be dug in, while the PsyOps guys,( call sign "Mind Bender") played the sound track of F-Flicks of women having orgasms etc. It was hilarious.
What about the babies in incubator bs story?? Was that a type of psyop??
@@Libertybabe , "The Nayirah Testimony" was outright propaganda at an international level, that was endorsed by numerous people to include Amnesty International. Big Lie that got bought and sold.
@sambankman-Zelensky, it wasn't intended to be intimidating. It was harassment. The same way that Noriega got blasted with heavy metal music 24/7 in Panama by the same type unit. Harassment and interdiction.
The best story I've heard was some unit dropping Squads of Parachutes strapped to Ice Blocks, with telltale signs these Parachutes belong so USA SEALS.
When the Ice Blocks melt, you end up with Phantom Squads of SEALS that infiltrated your AoR... that could be anywhere.
@@petrolmonkey8339they should have also been dropping MRE spoons all over the place. Really fuck with their heads.
I was a PSYOP team chief for 8 years. We did plenty of CQB. I think people get confused because PSYOP is best known for developing leaflets and shit but PSYOP detatchments also have tactical teams that embed with line elements. I went on plenty of missions with MP's, Infantry, Field Artiliery, and even ODA. Believe me, the TPT guys don't like the leaflets and shit either; we used to take the leaflets to the burn pit and burn them then in our SITREP we'd say we diseminated all of it and give the grid coordinates of the burn pit.
As for the tactical stuff, the deal was that as a 3 man team we really couldn't get to a lot of places by ourselves so we'd embed with whatever unit was going where we needed to be. The deal was that we'd help them with their mission if they then pulled security or whatever for us while we did ours. I know the 2ID and 82nd Airborne guys I worked with liked having us with them. The couple of times I went out with ODA, they seemed kind of annoyed at our presence and if I'm being honest, I was annoyed to be there too. Those missions didn't really feel like there was overlap and it felt more like we were there so that our detachment NCOIC could say his guys were going out with special forces. It always felt to me like the line guys either thought I was some sort of super high speed ghost operator (which I wasn't) or a complete POG (which I also wasn't) but there was no in between.
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Your comment itself is a psyop because we don’t know wtf any of this means
SO WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO OTHER THEN GET ATTACHED!?????
Can you comment this on Niko Ortiz video? Lol
The last 3 years has been a psyop
Should be the top comment
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As former psyop specialist I have to disagree with their intro. I spent very little time behind a desk and no time on line. There is a difference between the guys back at the base and the ones on teams actually carrying out the psyop operations. Psyop has many facits and few of them can be performed from behind a desk.
Facts carnal, the dudes on this channel probably didn’t work with the 37s. I worked with Agencias de tres letras. It’s their view point
Yep. The history of psyops is thick and interesting.
Agreed, but they are making fun of the recruiting video not the actual MOS.
@Haku Yuki like abusing fellow soldiers, cheating on wives and killing local wildlife for fun. Pretending to work while watching every movie ever made for free, stolen. The bullshit is so real with these "jobs". The military is huge money fire.
This whole thread is a psyop
Army recruiting didn’t do this video, 4th Psyop Group did. Just so you know, SSG Knauss, who was the last soldier to die in Afghanistan and one of the now famed 13 was a Psyop guy. He wasn’t on a computer in some closet. Its also not a new thing. You missed the symbology of the ghost hanging in a tree. Thats the patch of the ghost army from WWII, that used this capability to trick Hitler into moving his forces away from the main US advancements. They weren’t in some safe room either. Out front on the line taking fire from Germany’s primary units so the Allied main assault would have less resistance. The USASOC HQ is called the McClure building. Named after MG Robert McClure a Psychological Operations Specialist and considered the father of Special Operations. SWCS, was once called the Psychological Warfare Department. You didn’t even know Psyop guys went to language school (the exact same one SF guys go to), and have never worked with one but your going to educate civilians about what they really do. Ok my guy. There is alot more to the job than sitting on a computer, throwing leaflets out of a plane and loudspeakers. For anyone considering the job that may feel different after watching this review, they are off on most of what they said. Talk to someone that does the job. SF guys don’t like sharing the command with others. Thats about the only true thing you can take away from this review. By the way there is no S in PSYOP it’s an acronym. The OP in PSYOP is operations. No need for the extra letter it makes you sound ignorant.
Spot on Brother! It' very disappointing to see someone who probably many folks look up to, spread misinformation. Trying to talk down to someone or something does not make you big...Educate yourself before you wanna give lesson. Humility is a virtue.
Yeah, this whole thing was pretty distasteful if I have to be honest. The way Buck talks in this video shows a whole other side of him that honestly tears down the whole "cool, calm, and collected professional" that he tries to portray. Major asshat SF guy vibes.
The lack of knowledge that's VERY present, just irks the hell out of me.
Yeah, I could seriously feel the hurt ego vibes. Their response video needs a disclaimer that SF competes for the same pool of candidates the video is targeting. Also found it amusing that I was hit with four ads before I stopped watching.
Yeah, these guys display a ton of ignorance here, from first few moments you can tell they know very little about PSYOP. I spent 5 years in PSYOP and it was a great experience, I got to participate in and contribute to some very cool stuff and and felt I punched way above my weight compared to any other career field in the military.
How do I re-up into PshyOps?
Former PsyOps, 37F. Was embedded on some Ranger missions and had to be able to do CQB. Sorry to break your heart, we have a DA arm. I did both HumInt and SigInt. From field interrogation, geo-locating, as well as civil affairs. Counterintelligence. Propaganda. We had TCCC training so we could treat villagers. We did language to interact with locals. But we ARE NOT tip of the spear. We support 2nd tier.
SF isn’t “the tip of the spear” either. Now they’re just JCET tourists
I think we should call ourselves "the breath at the tip of the spear" 😂
Always there, not necessarily noticed, impact is invisible at the surface level, heard more than seen. Makes sense in my head anyways
@@dakotamckinnon5511 Were/are you 35F or 37F? I have only ever ran into 2 other PsyOps I like the last 5 years online.
@@Callsign_Spartacus_37FoxYessir. 7th POG
@@dakotamckinnon5511 Me too, 7th group, 12th battalion, 320th out of Portland.
After watching this reaction, it is apparent that these dudes have no idea what Psyop troops do. I am not one, but I have worked with them pretty extensively.
Your full if it the cia don't do all that action hero bullshit
to me, a civilian, it seems like they also don’t know how this recruitment video reads to an actual civilian. I at no point assumed that you’d be directly involved in the action one way or the other. To me the video, like the magic, were just setting the tone.
The best part of this is these guys spent the entire video defending their egos but not realizing that they just exposed how sensitive they are. 11Bs got your 6
What is 11B?
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@@solokom Infantryman MOS. Basically what homeboy here is saying is that grunts have PSYOPS back, which we do. Infantry has everyone’s back because conventional infantry do literally everything. It’s the jack of all trades. We got tasked out with literally everything other MOS are responsible for. I’ve moved ammo like supply should, I’ve scrubbed chemicals like CBRN should, I’ve gone to propaganda courses to assist our PSYOPS units, I’ve repaired my Humvee several times because our mechanics couldn’t get to is, I’ve called Air support and Artillery like Forward Observers do (in training, never seen combat), I’m certified Combat Life Saver and First Aid like medics, I’ve secured areas and cleared rooms like Ranger batt, I’ve rode on Chinooks and Blackhawks and Little Birds, I’ve flown drones, I’ve done some counter intelligence work on deployment, like we literally have to do everything.
A lot of SOF guys get pissy when other SOF units besides theirs gets notorious. When in reality everyone participates equally. And to be quite honest as badass as wearing black OCP’s rolling in on a little bird with quad nods is to capture an HVT, conventional infantry has had to do similar shit. And in all reality Infantry is the only reason anything works in the Army. The entire US Military revolves around supporting Combat Arms, specifically the Infantry. The infantry is worst and best job for a soldier, because you get to do the walking around at night shooting targets and flying on helicopters, but you also see the other side of paperwork and mindless chores of other MOS’s. It’s the Army pick your poison.
@@Twizzzums Thanks for the extensive insight! Much appreciated. Greetings from Austria. :)
My mom was born in Voitsberg. I hope to visit someday.
The video feels more like a warning then a recruitment video
Agreed
It is.
It’s both.
Good. Now you aren't being psyoped
Guys - you should have someone who actually works in PSYOP on here. Y'all come across as having no idea what PSYOP is or what they do. I was only in PSYOP for 5 years but I had teams:
- On objective with a T2 element (doing CQB in some cases) though I agree it's not the focus of PYSOP and shouldn't be highlighted so heavily in recruiting
- Doing very shadowy interagency work
- Using their TS-SCI every day on compartmentalized programs
- Punching way above their weight class by rank; I had E6/E7s sending plans to the SECDEF for approval in a sensitive environment and getting recognition from him at the end of their tour
- Using their languages to work through local forces in building influence campaigns or countering adversary propaganda
- Doing a lot of cool stuff that I really can't talk about here, but if you look at the schools that PSYOP folks routinely go to (Military Deception, SERE-C, Social Media Exploitation, etc) you might get some idea
Was the recruiting video accurate? It was maybe 50% accurate to my experience, but PSYOP is so broad and doing so many different things in so many different countries and environments that after 5 years in the community I'd hesitate to make any blanket statements about what PSYOP is and isn't.
this was about the recruiting video. We will have a psyop person on at some point to talk about how awesome Psyop is. We have no issue with Psyop. relax.
Every aspect of American government is incredibly pathetic but nothing more so then people within it that think they've been accomplishing something.
@@FNGACADEMY looking forward to it!
@@cactusmuncher2274 Keep munching on those cacti, because typing obviously isn't your strong suit comrade.
@@FNGACADEMYyour takes regarding the psyop regiment were shit and incorrect. Saying “it was about the recruiting video” doesn’t change that
SF is ego ego! Everyone wants to be number 1.
Psyops play a critical function in the long-term mission as a
whole. It's not hardcore tho lol but since all SF egos are so big they like to portray as a badass.
It's common sense the badasses will always be the ones killing bad guys.
The top dawgs are the ones who you'll never hear about.
The real ghost.
couple of things:
* plenty of psyop guys were out with infantry teams in Iraq. I was one of them. Deployed with 1st MEF at first (that was weird/great to be with Marines), then I was transferred to Baghdad, then Talil where we jerked off until the SOFA agreement in 09. Passive intelligence gathering when on missions was a lot of what we did.
* Regarding manipulating riots: yes, that's possible. Psyop deals with manipulating masses to modify behavior.
* We did a LOT of practicing room-clearing and basic infantry TTPs, not to be good at doing it, but in case whomever they were attached to needed an extra gun. But previous psyop fuckup battalion fucked up psyop reputation by being douchy and stupid, thinking they were "high speed".
* Psyop does indeed do language training. It's really *really* helpful. We had a 6 week arabic course, but plenty of people go to Defense Language Institute for language help.
* Afghanistan was fucking stupid for leaflet drops... nobody could read anyway. Iraq was stupid for leaflet drops, because they would put out handbills and drop leaflets saying "pick up trash, keep Iraq beautiful". Are you fucking kidding me? Leaflet drops.... saying pick up your trash... genius work there, guys. Loudspeakers, newspaper articles, tv spots, etc. were all places where psyop worked.
To this day, I get PTSD when someone puts a leaflet on my homes door. #Somanyyyyyyyy
The pick up your trash one was genius. I think that WAS the whole point. Fuck with their heads and rile them up to your American stupidity. Thus drawing insurgents out from the shadows to attack and reveal themselfs
The leaflet drops during both Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom (the invasion part) were very effective in influencing the Iraqi Army to surrender. They contained messages, that essentially said “Coalition forces are more powerful than you, and if you wish to live follow these instructions.”Then it gave verbal and pictorial instructions on how to lay down arms and surrender. Ever see the videos where hundreds of Iraqi Soldiers surrender to squad or platoon sized elements? Thank a Psyops Soldier.
How much Arabic did you learn in 6 weeks? I would think just learning how to read/write their alphabet only would take a week or two
It works if the Psyops Alanysts do their job properly. There was this instance where they dropped a leaflet with a Dove on it to express peace and the Afghans would show up to coallition forces members with the leaflet asking for free chicken cause they thought it was a coupon.
I worked quite a bit with psyops before and after (not during) JUST CAUSE. They helped put a more effective spin on our tactical deception activities. They also produced the videos we played to the civilian population during and after the operation and provided direction for photo ops with regards to the swearing in of the new government. In the aftermath, when I was working to turn the Panamanian Air Force into a civil aviation service organization, they gave me a lot of great ideas to help convince the general population that the new NAS was not out to terrorize them, but to help them. A few examples: from camo paint job to one resembling the Panamanian flag, and landing helicopters on the beach on Saturday and Sunday, giving impromptu tours to the sunbathers. Not exciting, and certainly not parked at the elbow of an "L" ambush, but they were quite helpful and effective at getting the job done. The "Ghost in the Machine" video looks like an effective recruiting tool (probably a class project at the psyops school), but, true to form, puts a heavy dose of lipstick on that mammal.
Don’t all branches put heavy lipstick on ? I’ve seen to many ads and videos of all military branches and haven’t seen one yet that doesn’t brag up their branch and lie to get you to sign . 🤦🏽♀️
The most powerful part of psy ops is that they have you convinced that you were helping Panama.
Or could mean something much bigger than what you just said..
@@nodrive I'm sure many people have various opinions on that. That's OK. I was there before, during, and after JUST CAUSE. I made many Panamanian friends while I was there and am still in contact with some of them. I am totally comfortable with having been a part of taking down a monster of a dictator and allowing Panama to be governed through its constitutional processes. By the way, that new National Air Service (SAN) performed brilliantly in the aftermath of the devastating earthquake at Bocas del Toro, having provided significant humanitarian relief and medical evacuations. Yes, the SAN DID help Panama and Panamanians, and I am proud to have put my fingerprint on it. I didn't need psyops to clue me in on that.
@@Phalcineddie Did forget who Noriega was working for in the first place? Along with many other dictator graduates of the School of the America's.
Former 37F here.
First, neither of these guys worked with psyops so they only know the bias of what their unit thought.
Second, I served before the internet was really a thing other then dial up AOL. So no, we did not spend most of our time behind a desk.
Third. We are everywhere and the tip of the spear because we are in country often BEFORE hostilities break out staging the battlefield, providing intel, and developing assets.
Fourth. One mission I will share had two guys go out with a loudspeaker making a racket outside of an enemy base of about 1000 soldiers. This allowed the attack group to hit them from behind after the enemy took the bait and chased the decoy. Not Jason Bourne but still crazy to expose yourself to that kind of danger.
Fifth. I could go on and on, but i will remind everyone that one of the 13 soldiers killed in the Afghanistan pull out was in psyops. He was not behind a desk that day.
Nowadays 8th POG is tactical, focused on the kinetic elements, attached to Batt and Group. Where as 4th POG is what your talking about, online, embassy details.
The fact that neither of you have worked with PSYOP as you stated 10 minutes in, pronounce the S, and don’t know they go to language school with SF and CA in their ARSOF pipelines, tells me you’re not as informed as you could be to make this video. It is a recruiting video so…..
The PSYOP A&S is looking for something different than ODAs. They should it’s a different mission. So it is going to be different. Both have physical components but the intellect, critical thinking, communication skills, are critical to the success of the PSYOP mission. Wouldn’t you want to assess those? Someone told me recently they select less of a percentage of those who try than the other ARSOF tribes. It’s highly selective. That was NOT the case before A&S. PSYOP is aging out of those “special” types. It’s an improving branch in the Army. Is it possible your experience is out of date?
There’s a great deal more to PSYOP than working with ODAs and AOBs. You’re assuming they’re tactically focused like an ODA. The overwhelming majority are not because that’s not that particular mission. There’s so much more to PSYOP and it’s wickedly misunderstood across the SF community. PSYOP units are in countries where no other SOF are on missions and working out of embassies living on the economy. They are moving about the population in many of those countries. They must understand the target audiences. So I understand SF soldiers wouldn’t be aware of those missions but they do exist and are independent of Special Forces and AOBs.
There are many PSYOP forces integrated into other SOF elements but to your point, the PSYOP forces are not on their own conducting CQB. I think in the minds of the creator, they were trying to show integration but likely it is interpreted as unilateral operations. Not the case nor would it ever be the case. I’m unsure how many non-SOF Soldiers interpreted that snippet the way that you guys did. They don’t know anything about it. But I see why you did. Valid point.
Yes, much of their work is digitally based. They rely heavily on computers. They have to. It’s a complicated job. There’s production involved. They use many forms of media. You pointed out social media. That’s true. But there’s satellite TV, internet based TV, radio in all forms, print (much less now), cyber enabled….. wherever the target audience is, that’s where they’ll engage them. Thin slicing the entire PSYOP mission to leaflets and loudspeakers is an overly simplistic over representation of only tactical PSYOP. Reaching TAs can be tough in austere environments. That said, in those environments there’s an SF O5 or O6 directing them to reach those TAs and approving those operations and likely the products too. Leaflets may be the only way. Check history. They’ve used them to great effect in many conflicts. It’ll always be in the tool kit.
I get it. People think of SOF and assume commandos. The ability to integrate into commando like SOF units is critical and they need to be prepared to do that. They also need to be prepared to go to embassies in countries where they may be the only SOF element, countries where they’re training partners to do PSYOP at the national level, plus many other ways in which they’re not tactically employed and thus next to ODAs.
I appreciate your attempt to provide a reality check and reduce any expectation gap, but you may have actually introduced more incorrect information than the video presented. Remember, the TA are non-SOF and civilian recruits so the nuances you’re pointing out are meaningless to that TA. Let’s be real. When are recruiting videos 100% accurate? The Army recruiting videos are far more misleading but we wouldn’t know that if we were civilians. The Army presents an attractive product to civilians in an attempt to fill the ranks to protect our country. It’s reasonable to think PSYOP would do the same to fill their ranks.
These dudes have 0 understanding of PsyOp. But what would you expect from a MILSIM influencer trying to sell his protein powder. These dudes are literally wrong about 90% of everything they said in this video. Clown shit.
First of all, thank you for your service.
I have been in the PSYOP community now for 19 years, deployed multiple times for the GWOT as a 37F.
During my second tour, I was medically evacuated out of Iraq and sent home to Bragg for surgery and rehabilitation for combat injuries, and then back to Iraq a year and a half later.
I can tell you that you have mis-characterized and displayed a lot of misunderstandings about what PSYOP is, what PSYOP does, and at what levels.
Most of your criticisms may apply to the Strategic levels of Psychological Operations (which the video intimates), but not that much at the Operational level, and not at all at the Tactical evel. The level I, and others, participated in over three combat tours in Iraq.
The interpretations you Gentlemen made about the ‘shadows’, the ‘close quarter combat’ and ‘tip of spear’ is totally misunderstood.
As a tactical PSYOP Team leader, I spent 9 1/2 to 10 months out of a 12 month tour in the cities, villages, regions of Iraq and imbedded with the people we were trying to influence; friendly, neutrals, or enemy.
Many of the images that people saw on the news during the Syrian war that influenced and changed a lot of the thinking, and actions of not only individuals but governments, was due to PSYOP at the strategic level, working through operational and tactical PSYOP.
If you would ever like to have a discussion about what PSYOP really is, and does, more than happy to chat.
I would be more than happy to have a discussion with you gentlemen, and share many of the insights that you did not get from this video, or just by reading about PSYOP, and I make this invitation very respectfully, and very honestly and openly to get more understanding about Psyop.
On a lesser note, it is PSYOP not PSYOPS.
Again, thank you for your service and thank you for your videos.
Crickets
Of course
Think you guys are looking at this from a jaded and MIL perspective.
I’m prior service, 8 year grunt and in no way was I getting the impression they were signaling you’ll be a DA force.
How could you overlook the most apparent things and not speak on them? The rising threat in the east is factual.
Also they’re not implying they created riots, they’re asking you question who did. They’re alluding to a war behind the scenes being fought and it’s almost very Q like.
This is not an accident this was released at this time. Take off the MIL glasses and realize this isn’t a recruitment video. It’s a memo.
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🧐Stop looking for (subs) you silly human beings..... you have know idea regarding the meaning and significance of this video...🦅✨👻🇺🇸 justice is coming to those who overthrow our government....🔥🔥🔥
This a review by SF on Psyops which shows that SF knows nothing about Psyops. I don't believe Psyops should be trying to be experts on Sf either so, everybody stay in their lane.
What about the tactical Psyop teams that get attached to special forces teams and ranger units that have to deploy with them and do all the same training as them? Psyopers don’t do CQB huh?
Another SOF career field to look into is AF Special Reconnaissance. They're worth looking into if anyone wants to go into SOF and you're interested in recce.
Bro ngl air force has some of the coolest speacial operations. Buuuttt all of then except tacp requires combat dive and that scares me tbh cuz im not the best swimmer and water up my nose makes me alil fucky. I'm swimming 4 times a week trying to get use to it.
@@bradenbagby4431 you can do it
Does SF not have people working specifically to sell SF to the next generation? Yes. Welcome to recruiting big brain.
AF special reconnaissance use to be Special warfare weather man right? It sounds like I'm kidding, look into it
@@bradenbagby4431 I had the same problem at first but it was something I just got used to over time by putting more time in at the pool. Also be sure to put in the time to get good at water confidence cause that and the rucks are what get a lot of people to quit at A&S as well as predive.
The thing is though, this is immensely well made. If they had the production quality and applied it to infantry recruiting ads or anything else, and kept the tone, they’d actually get recruits instead of dude bros sounding off about two mums.
Exactly. At this point I tell everyone to just join SOCOM. It doesnt mattet what unit honestly just go there. Avoid the regular Army like the plague. This ad only further shows the divide between SOF and everybody else. It's getting bigger by the day.
How dare you disrespect Emma like that! Her moms are going to be so upset!
They attached two psyops guys to us one time on a training exercise practically just landnav to our hide/surv. Holy shit though those guys were fuckin weirdos and completely incompetent in the woods lmao.
Wasn’t this video posted by the army about 5 years ago..? I remember the army posting that video when I was deployed.
What ODAs see PSYOP do is the SF equivalent of running a 25 meter, reflexive fire range. Afghanistan and Iraq were examples of battlefield operations. PSYOP does so much more.
Sounds like they're adopting Russian Psyop. I worked in PSYOP for 8 years. PSYOP actually deploy with Rangers, SF, Marines, work in Embassies. I worked with SF in South America, worked with Seals in Ramadi, Marines...so these guys don't know much either but whatever.
Excellent. Appreciate you posting this reality check.
SSG Ryan Knauss was in the field… B/Co 9th PSYOP Bn…26AUG21 ring a bell for anyone? Wasn’t sitting at a desk when that all went down…Did everyone already forget about him?
So are they the lube on the tip of the spear? You cant really see it, but sometimes it helps to have it there?
The reason they are not telling the truth is that the truth is this: You will be doing the same stuff you would do at google or an advertising Agency. Only you earn 1/100th of the money and have 1/100th of the benefits. It's the same BS they used in JAG. If you join JAG you are a lawyer. You do the same stuff, that you do at any lawfirm only with Little pay, little recognition and zero actual advancement options. You will not be Harm, flying Jets and parachuting behind enemy lines while the judge decides on your case.
Maybe they are expanding the phy ops units capabilities due to the neer peer threats we focus on today..I have no idea though I'm just guessing.
Still need Green Berets and Rangers . Psyops just a piece of it . Green Berets created AVRNG in Vietnam and had other tribes join that learn to fight against NVA. Drones will have problems in tropical dense environments. Psyops was going on in the 60’s and 80’s it’s not new . Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, . Commercial is bad 😂.
PSYOPS is tactical Don Draper, still pretty dope shit if you're into advertising and marketing, idk I find it cool. It also seems like the skills you learn can make you some good dough when you get out of the service. For example, copywriting makes people millions. They do language because they have to sell ideas to people from different countries, they have to learn cultures to know what drives people there, and how to manipulate them to be on our side, or surrender, or what have you.
What if the psyop vid… is a psyop?
Psychological Operations, mind control & brainwashing
I actually reclassed to Psyop like 11 years ago (ETS'd back in 2014)..... Can confirm the douchey attitudes of some the guys I deployed with. Some of them thought they were OAF haha, but there were other squared away guys as well. It definitely wasn't all it was cracked up to be, but honestly, it was more enjoyable than when I was 11B. Plenty of good missions if you brought value to the teams you were attached to, otherwise you were just an extra gun (which I suppose has its perks).
What made you enjoy it more than Infantry?
Several reasons….but mostly being treated like an adult (for the most part)
“Psyops”
@@cadenlove9806 PsyOp is the correct use here- for those of us that were in the PsyOp community, we know that Psychological Operations is what PsyOp stands for, so saying “PsyOps” is like saying Psychological Operations’s. And if you said “PsyOps” at PsyOp school, you got to do Prison push ups until you learned it was just “PsyOp.”
@@t-money9528 prison push ups? come on...
When you guys react to videos, please bring the receipts. Please give a link to the original source/video.
Ridiculously cool ad. Hope the PSYOPS gents take a bigger role in the upcoming conflicts.
I have no doubt they will
The fact you're advocating for more psyops means they are doing their jobs well.
With the repeal of the Smith-Mundt Act, it's now legal to use US tax money to directly propagandize US citizens in the US, a practice illegal for almost a century.
Tactical Psyop Teams operate in built up areas and are trained in CQB. It was taught at the Psyop school!
They were out advising CAG, it's why they weren't with your ODA, working in the shadows.
What about the tactical group within the PSYOPS?
Apparently these gentlemen haven’t been with us
These guys admit they never worked with PSYOP in their career, while telling their audience they know everything about PSYOP....I hope at least one person sees the irony in that.
these old 18 series know very little about how information warfare has evolved and the various units that are currently employing PSYOP assets within their organizations. Will PSYOP be doing actions on the target. No! Will they enable actions on the target to be successful? absolutely. You want to work at the tactical level, listen to these guys. You want to work at the operational or strategic level..... go to Mackall and find out on your own.
do not disagree with this at all. I did encourage everyone to link up with an actual psyop individual
It's like the 11 Bravo recruiting. What they don't show is all the grounds maintenance, painting old buildings, painting rocks, picking up trash on the highway etc you will do most days.
"Did you have any PSYOP guys with you?" Answers all that you need to know.
The amount of ignorance portrayed by this pair is embarrassing - psychological warfare is the most powerful weapon out there, especially in guerrilla warfare which is what SF is supposed to be all about; there's a reason why SF came out of PsyOps. These two yahoo's are the epitome of what went wrong with SF since 9/11.
You should talk to Angry Cops, he started out in the Army in Psy Ops/Civil Affairs.
the team house podcast has had a couple psyop dudes that have done some shit too
I served 20 yrs in the AF (Chair Force), but are they aiming to recruit the participation trophy kids in Hollywierd? The DoD is already faltering and hemorrhaging from multiple cuts. What is this?
..."stop lying about the job" while also saying SF is direct action and forgetting the other 11 core competencies
☝️someone gets it
The greatest psyop is the current one being presented to the American people from our universities, media, and trusted institutions.
You mean like Army engineers recruiters showing you all those cool buildings you get to build come to find out you’re a mine sweeper IED magnet lol?!
fact!
Has anyone seen the 1968 movie that talks about this way back then? "Newsbenders 1968 aired on ABC". Check it out
Whoever made this promo video needs to work for Hollywood or Video game companies… imagine if this was a promo for a new series by the same people who produce Seal Team or a Band of Brothers type series… I’d be hyped
Interesting to note that they also used material from "The Big Picture" and MSG Queen and or another narrator from one of the episodes that covered Psychological Warfare including TV 206 - Truth is Our Defense.
I dunno, the guy sitting there with the sound monitors, seems like a sick deal. Record your psyops stuff and then bang out a fire mixtape on the job. Looks like free studio time to start your rap career while serving your country to me.
Before he threw down his dog tags, Jason Borne/David Webb was SFOD according to the fourth movie.
Interesting. And I just found out the other day that Pacino and DeNiro were both marines in Heat. That puts a different nuance on the coffeeshop scene.
@@mroctober3657 I think Vincent, Pacino's character, was, but I don't remember Neil, Deniro's, being anything but a career criminal.
@@SethBeck Apparently, you can see his USMC tattoo when he's in bed with Amy Brennman the first time.
@@mroctober3657 good catch, never noticed. I do remember Travis Bickle’s Recon jacket in Taxi Driver.
I was interested in PSYOPS until i realized one of the selling points / aspects of their training is writing long ass essays while everyone else is going through a proper selection. Like..what? I get it's purpose, and respect it, but I find it amusing that they probably have PSYOPS people working specifically on selling PSYOPS to the next generation.
I mean, everyone's got recruiters.
Of they're going to write essays. Their job is to study the enemy and figure out how to psyche them out. No amount of running CQB drills or burpies is going to find that answer. If everyone in the military had to be a shit hot operator, our military would be way too fucking small lol
@@globaladdict oh absolutely, it's just not how it's sold at face value, which is the part I find intriguing. The military flat out wouldn't be able to operate without the people in support roles.
@@gameocalypse6040 brother nothing in the military is shown at face value
@@OnTheRiver14 haha yes.. I was thinking that as soon as I hit send. Thankfully we have these bros shedding light on special forces life, and ladies and gentlemen from other units and branches doing the same.
The Whole World is a Stage. This is literally the truest thing at the moment.
Hey man love your videos. I am currently a college student, and I actually want to become a Psychological Operations Specialist and then later become a Special Forces soldier. I think everyone has their roles to play and I think people in the comments shouldn’t have to explain what they do. You guys are awesome and all equally important. The Department of Defense wouldn’t fund psyops if it wasn’t needed. I think psyops is good, and like they said in the video that was a perfect propaganda video. It certainly got me lol, and I do believe that their 9th Psychological Operations Battalion that belongs to the 8th Psychological Operations Group is their tactical unit.
What you find is that 4th PSYOP Group and the 82nd Airborne are chalk full of people who failed Q course and just stuck around Ft. Bragg.
save yourself some time and skip a 37f packet and go straight for sfas. If you fail sfas, you're most likely going to end up trying for psyop anyway to avoid the 82nd. Psyop gets in it's own way and very few people stay in psyop for long because the command climate and red tape are miserable.
@nofuxgoon that's a waste of time. If someone has desires to go SF, they should drop a packet when they're eligible to do so. There's no point in wasting time in other units if SF is what you want and you have what it takes. That goes for anything, ranger, delta, etc. If you meet the requirements, drop the packet. That unit will teach you to their standard regardless of your background.
This aint a recruitment video
I don't think people think they're going to be part of what they're seeing here, but rather behind it all, behind the scenes. Some of the great spots in it, under the "disinform" titling the floating body refers to Operation Mincemeat. Another is the galloping horses turning into a finger scrolling a screen. Then when the ghost starts waving his arms around and the drums start. Haha. Great editing like you guys said.
There is no s at the end, it's PsyOp. Also in the Marine Corps, it's now called MISO (Marine Corps Integrated Support Opperations). This has been since 2010
That video works. It made me "feel" multiple times during it. Way better than a pamplet.
There’s a million kids doing the same quality work on social media
I was on a TPT Tactical PSYOP Team in Iraq 2003-2005 I served along side SFODA 515 and 561 I have my SF combat patch authorization if you'd like to see it. It was the 3 men on my team +SFODA+A Marine recon team who served together. GOD Bless.
It amazes me how so many military personnel and civilians are confident that they understand or know the capabilities of PSYOP and how they are applied. The analyses and critiques presented in this video are largely baseless, and seem to be yet just another technique used to portray SOF missions as only conducted effectively by SF; that any other SOF branch is considered less robust, less capable, simplistic and less serious. In fact, PSYOP can and should be inserted at the outset in most doctrinally defined SOF missions, and not later in some "support" capacity. PSYOP, tip of the spear, most certainly as a viable means to avoid conflict. This is not a zero sum game...that SOF capabilities applied by an unique and multifaceted branch detract or negate that of another. However, the commentary certainly points to that perspective. It is erroneous to try to compare one SOF branch with another, or try to critique another SOF branch objectively without having a sound understanding of another. SF are organized and applied completely different than PSYOP forces and capabilities. The commentators fail to understand this fundamental aspect of SOF. PSYOP missions to be conducted effectively and successfully require multiple disciplines and approaches in a complex orchestrated way applying multiple disciplines. PSYOP deal exclusively with human behaviors, in distinct cultures and across the entire operational spectrum. As such, PSYOP missions are unique. If these two gentlemen bothered to at least scan PSYOP doctrine, they would immediately become more aware. PSYOP, in their application, are nowhere akin to a SF A Team conducting missions autonomously in a given AO. That is clear. However, what these gentlemen fail to realize, is that PSYOP missions are executed by a variety of noticeably distinct assets including boots on the ground to those in the shadows, and in varying locations in conjunction with high tech and multimedia resources to achieve psychological objectives approved at the highest levels. Many are unaware of these facts. PSYOP require varying disciplines and abilities that are largely unrelated or disparate, making them challenging to plan and execute effectively. Again, a perusal of the doctrine would have been helpful for these gentlemen. PSYOP can be as simple and as complex as necessary, and are only constrained by intellectual prowess, sound imagination and varied resources. The weapon systems of PSYOP are typically organic and are always devised to uniquely fit a specific mission, or they can be obtained opportunistically from other military or official civilian sources. PSYOP in preparation of the battlespace, during conflict and post conflict require a fairly wide-ranging collective effort in their application...much more broadly multidisciplined at multiple levels than merely a team with boots on the ground, as these gentlemen seem to think. While PSYOPers are working in cyberspace, others may be applying tactical and operational level techniques to effect numerous objectives concurrently and/or in a multi-phased approach. So, in my estimation, every frame of this video accurately captures, the collective aspects of this robust and critical discipline and branch. PSYOP are and will always be difficult to understand or grasp as a military capability. That's what makes it totally bad ass and dope, if I may be permitted to parrot the terms used by these two gentlemen.
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There always is that one guy that feels the need to explain everything even when it was just a joke XD
I enjoyed reading this reply. It was well written and thoughtful. PSYOP is clearly different and distinct from SF and CA. The reviewers perfectly describe the experience of "some" PSYOP soldiers, but not all. They admit they had limited exposure to PSYOP professionals; so they may not be fully aware of the board range of PSYOP and CA capabilities, missions, and history. While some PSYOP soldiers may be fortunate enough to have a low risk experience as described, that is not the case for all. PSYOP and CA missions have casualties. For example, Civil Affairs soldiers make up only about five percent of the U.S. Army's reserve forces, however they accounted for 23 percent of the combat fatalities among reservists in Iraq and Afghanistan alone, stated by the Center for Public Integrity. CA and PSYOP experience are listed as Desired Qualifications for those interested in continuing to serve their country as a Specialized Skills Officer at an intelligence agency. See this role as usajobs.gov to learn more.
So, they're POGs that engage with people. They're not warriors. Sometimes, they may get into combat sure... just like every single other MOS in country. SF and other operators are not just warriors, they go beyond that. You see the issue of PsyOp calling themselves tip of the spear considering what other people who are tip of the spear do compared to them? The ego of a POG.
I think the best part about this video is that the opening quote is the exact emotion that you displayed before it started😂 love the vids!
My recruiter must have been one of those elusive PsyOps hero guys hiding in the shadows.....of the recruiting office basement. He convinced me that 11b was essentially SF light lol. I embraced the suck and owned that dotted line brother.
Where on the doll did the 37F hurt you?
These hosts say "The Army should not be lying" in this recruitment video. In the recruiting video they say that "deception" is one of their missions. Killers do not tell people what they are doing. When they recruit you, they will not tell you what you will be doing.
"The recruiting video was very misleading!" is what I'll say when I get to PsyOps! 😄
I actually want to do the job you are describing lol....I want to be doing shit online never facing a bullet or experiencing the weather . Where do I sign up?
a lot of people do want this job. And we encourage them to sign up. However, they should go meet a psyop soldier and not be mislead by this video.
@@FNGACADEMY I see your point. Love the break down of the video btw
Psyops is still pretty fascinating. I find it refreshing that we are taking all aspects of war seriously unlike another certain country that invaded Ukraine. I honestly find the aspects of war outside of combat (logistics, intelligence, etc.) interesting. I like the big picture. To see the whole machine working. A lot of people will just focus in on elite units like green berets, but I’m sure you guys would be the first to admit y’all couldn’t do you job with out the rest of the military doing their job. It’s really cool to see how each part supports and is supported by another part
Russia invades ukraine? Congratz you fell for the psyop. You didnt even see it coming haha:)))
@@Zeralop litterally all his info on russia will be from non Russian sources, well except for some youtube comments sayin "help im 13 and russain our family fear for our life we dont want this war"
Nice job Fed Boy, you arent fooling anyone
lol, you referring to the U.S.?
When I think green beret you guys aren't who I think of.
Psyops today: making Putin and Zelensky memes, arguing in the comments section with opposing psyop agents. And the best part? Doing it in the toilet while pooping.
That moment you realize PSYOP will be just an important in the modern war in the Indo-Pacific region as SF units but you dont wanna humbly admit it...
The transition from “War is evolving” to “and all the world’s a stage” was so clumsy.
It’s hard af to build a good PSYOP product, and that’s the only nitpicking I could find.
I remember the commercial where the Marine was fighting a dragon... Former CTI here and I don't remember any dragons...
The Army has lots and lots of different kinds of jobs.
I served myself for a 20-year career,
I worked all day, I worked all year.
But I was never at the "tip of the spear,"
I was back in the rear with the beer and the gear.
🙂
The Adjutant General's Corps
"Defend and Serve"
Hell yeah! Thanks for processing my transfer paperwork, Brah! I was sick of living and working with that pack of wild baboons!
My brothers a ghost hes about that life fr. He can literally hide in *** shadows
Buck hating because Bourne ghosted his way into a stack! 🤣
LMFAO!
is there a reason that this review is at the top of a youtube search for 4th psyop?
Perhaps this is a psyop within many psyops... We're at the PRECIPICE. WHEN MR.T IS ARRESTED ANY DAY AND GB FRIENDS ASK ME TO GET THEM UP TO SPEED... I'LL HOLD THEM CLOSE TO MY ZERO FUCKS TO GIVE BUT I'LL STILL GIVE ZERO DISRESPECT AS WE R SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SAME SIDE. IF YOU KNOW YOU KNOW TIC TOC... 5:5 ZERO DELTA COMING
LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS
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All I'm going to say, is there's a huge difference between a TPT and a PDD type role... I'm not saying it's door kicking john wick type stuff, but you're not giving us nearly enough credit. PSYOP does more work in the field than you're giving us credit for, to the point it's actually kinda distasteful in my opinion. Still gunna stick around, but dang.
didn't mean to do that brotha, for that I apologize. The damage was meant towards the video not the organization. We have a responsibility to help young men and women make choices they will not regret. If SF comes out with some crazy shit we will roast that too
Fng bro the humility you have is amazing keep on my guy 😊
I think something that gets a little lost in translation is that if you knew all of the specifics behind the daily operations of Psyops, then that kind of defeats the purpose. You're not supposed to know. You're not supposed to understand. You're seeing what they want you to see, and there is always more going on behind the scenes, which is blurred behind the lines of politics.
Hey psyop guy here had a phenomenal time working with my ODA partners down range. They were professional, mature, and realized in that part of the world, they were not the main effort. Neither was Psyop, it was actually CA. But PO was reinforcing and SF was really quite tertiary. Fortunately, we had no ego about it. Neither did CA, or the SF. And the team was made up of senior guys with several rotations through GWOT.
In my experience, the SF guys that are so confrontational and gatekeeping the “SOF” title are the ones just out of the schoolhouse who grew up playing call of duty and listening to stories of GBs in Iraq and Afghanistan doing CQB and CT ops. Nowadays, SF is trying to get back to their roots, which is unconventional warfare. Because they collectively ignored that function and the Army decided to retool them as CT guys, the SFAB was created and essentially took their job. SF is going through an identity crisis. But like I said, the mature and intelligent SF guys understand the idea of force multipliers, and look at CA and PO as equal partners in trying to accomplish the mission.
I think it was about 10-ish minutes into the video where these guys said they both never worked with PSYOP before. So…maybe preface your video with that?
I agree this video could appear misleading. But Psyopers look at the full spectrum of high-intensity, LSCO and low-intensity operations and plan to influence populations based off all those factors. We don’t typically do a single “operation” and consider success or failure on the back end-our efforts are multigenerational and will take years to see results. If you don’t believe me, just look at China and Russia and our own CIA who do exactly this.
A complete misunderstanding of what psyop is, terrible characterizations based off absolute idiot psyoppers that some guys have worked with, and a constant shooting ourselves in the foot by allowing ourselves to be run by SF leadership who refuse to learn about it. That’s why we are seen the way we are today.
My former SF professor told me to go Civil Affairs if I was gonna go Army.
Did he not like you? Lol.
I'm a CA for the last 15 years. Started Enlisted and then Commissioned. Loved every moment of being CA.
@@wckvn Why? What was it like?
The only PSYOP behind a desk is white cell. Any PSYOP I’ve ever done in a detachment was either directly on an ODA or infantry battalion
If you knew to call it PSYOP rather than PsyOps, it would be easier to take your analysis seriously. You don't even know the name of the career field.
When even the video said "PSYWAR". Tell us you're not PsyOps without telling us you're not PsyOps...
@@thebronzetoo That's a thing though... 🤨
Psychological Warfare... PSY.. PSYWAR... You see it, right?
Have a cousin whose son did 30 years in psyops. He retired 3 years ago. He spent a lot out of country, especially during the campaigns against ISIS and al quida (the spelling is probably wrong). He couldn't talk about what he did, but he had a haunted look the last few years - and he was a Major, so he was a long way from kicking down doors and clearing room. But I guess he cleared his share of rooms, just mentally.
Make no mistake- psyops is used against allies as well as enemies. Are they thinking about pulling out of the war? Psyops is there as well as diplomacy. And as far as changing an ally"s mind about dropping out- you can get people rioting about nearly anything with social media. Nothing changes a country's mind like citizens rioting.
All the psyop cupcakes getting salty lmfao
Nah my brother from another mother. We're happy to be considered nobodies.
"The word will win"? How many 5.45mm's will it stop? 5.56?
I don’t know if you’re referring to the “new” psyop, but when I was in psyop we only deployed with 1st, 3rd and 5th gro or Ranger Battalion and yes we were on the ground with them the whole time, stove duty Psyop has some high speed mofos in it “. We had to do 2 week selection, airborne, Sere C, language, and psyop school…was about a year total. That’s why a lot of guys go from psyop to 18 series..all we have to complete is selection, MOS school and small unit tactics. Can’t say there are no high spots dudes in active duty Psyop bro..that’s just a lie strait up. Yea the reserves is a joke, but active duty are mai my all tactical teams.
What about Black Squadron?
While I agree the video is somewhat misleading, you let your ignorance of PSYOP (no s) show. I deployed with 7/3, 3/1 and 20/2. Just because you didn’t have any PSYOP’ers on your deployments, doesn’t mean they don’t go on missions. I was going to educate you on what we do do ( I know, I said it), then I realized you can’t fix stupid.
What.
Without breaking OPSEC what did you do?
The video is misleading. That’s the point of this video. It’s stock footage found on the internet and has nothing to do with PSYOP. End of story. Don’t mislead people to get sign ups or you might get called out
I ran 16 man detachment (1 officer and 15 enlisted). I had four 3 man teams, with each team being assigned to an ODA and living with them at the FOB. The 4 man HQ section was assigned to the BN HQ and and did “staff stuff”, supporting the teams and missions. While my guys did not “stack”, they did set up for squirters. They did get into TIC’s and were shoulder to shoulder with long tabbers.
I will say only about 20% or so of PSYOP actually works with SOF units, with the rest working with big army.
Even though I was pretty rough on you guys, I love the channel. Keep up the good work.
I do agree, the video is very misleading.
@@psyopsgtmaj7632 I... Uh... Couldn't help but notice the silence after you threw some experience out there...
Calling PSYOP dorky, computer nerds is like calling ODA's special education teachers..
Bro that treeline at 3:36 has got to be Bragg with the controlled burns 🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
Over twenty years ago, the guy at MEPS showed me a video of an HMMWV with loudspeakers driving around the woods of Camp McKall. I said I don't get it. He answered, "son you will jump out of airplanes and Fuck with Peoples Minds". Somewhat true, but the guys in the video were absolutely right. But the usual Green Beret haterade was clearly present. A lot has changed in the regiment over the past twenty years, cant say the same about the ODA's.
Well said
Do I get points for recognizing the 23 Hqtrs Special Troops patch? 🙂
Show me where the PSYOP video hurt you. Y'all worried or are your egos just fragile 😂
I mean they're just trying to do others a favour. If you'd joined up because of this ad and found out the hard way, wouldn't you wish someone would've pointed it out sooner?
@@Wile_E._Wolf same can definitely be said about every other SOF unit out there. SF guys aren't DA either. In fact, the two jobs blend together in a lot of ways. Often times, where PSYOP missions and SF missions intertwine.. but these guys aren't ready to talk about none of that.
@@dakotamckinnon5511 I definitely saw many US SOF conduct DA missions in Afghanistan, Special Forces included
The aim of SF isn't DA. It's quite the opposite.
Sure, PSYOP isn't DA, but that doesn't mean there aren't TPT's out there beatin feet with grunts or other SOF units. Cause there definitely are.
I just don't like how condescending they sound talking about an area of unconventional warfare they're obviously not very familiar with. It's nowhere near as "leaflets and nerds" as they make it seem.
What they are doing is trash talking a video that may influence guys who are looking into doing a SOF job.They make money off SOF hopefuls. "Don't do this, pussy! Do our job! We will help get you there! Buy our shit, dude bro!" They do not want you to see this video and go PSYOP, which you may actually be better suited for. They want you to commit to the 18X pipeline, and buy their shit to "get ready" for it.You know, so you can fail spectacularly and end up an 11B, hating life, while the Army shows you how much it loves you. By raping you. Daily. Just like 99.8% of all the other rubes they sell their FNG shit to "get ready" to. You do like rape,right? All the world is a stage. If someone is trying to sell you something, but you can't understand what that product is, then the product is you.
You guys missed all the messages throughout the video. It wasn't a recruiting video. Play, pause, Google search, examine every shot, and search the frame. Happy hunting.
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I was in PSYOPS a long time ago bacj before there was an MOS but an identifier that was tacted to your Mos identifer F. Joinded as a 96B into the army (Intell Analyast) oxymoron if ever there was one. Wanted to enlist as a 19D at 17 but dad being a infantry and combat engineer from WW2 ,Korea and Vietneam (served in WW2 but not oversea) in combat a few years in Korea and 2 tours Vietnam. R.I.P. dad) Would not let me enlist in the army let alone combat arms so had to pick a non combat MOS, hence 96B. Ini Intell school. WO Green in charge of the 96B branch in Huachuca advised us the worst assignment for a 96B was a PSYOP unit. But said there is only one so no need to worry. (he did not tell us Ft Bragg was where they are at which is where I enlisted to go because my sister was there with her husband who was a SF medic in 5th GP, her idea so she can have family around since we are from CA) I got to Ft Bragg in Dec of 80 after basci and AIT. At 19th Replcement got my orders for 6th PSYOP Bn. I was ready to desert at that time with WO Greens tales of PSYOPS. Eventually went to psyop school, got the F designator as well as the Papa for jump school, was a 96B2PF. Evenually INVOLUNATRILY reclassified into a 96FP) 96F,, the first assigned MOS for PSYOP spciallist. And yea,, not what you do on that vid. But bear in mind in 80-88 PSYOPS was treated like a red headed step chld back then by JFKSWC (with very VERY little funding for PSYOPS) before becoming SOC. SOC did'nt want 4th POG or 96th CA but was stuck with them because no one else knew where to put them and SOCOM had the lowest voice to deny wanting them. But all in all, hey it was 8 years to my country I gave ,maybe a bit begrudginly not doing what I wanted to initially but would all over again. Sorry for my long rambling
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thanks man!
Me too. No homo tho. ✊
@@FNGACADEMY thanks for the entertaining content dudeski.
@@jordanfrancisco27 just a little?
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