An unusual reason for GO AROUND. Air Canada Airbus A220. REAL ATC
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2023
- 17 March 2023.
An Air Canada Airbus A220-300 registration C-GMZR, performing flight ACA1199 from Miami International Airport (KMIA) to Toronto Pearson International Airport (CYYZ) was in final approach at Toronto when the crew initiated go around.
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The real gold in this video is the wordless exclamations of frustration just before the pilot explains and the controller offers condolences. 😄
Yeah, when you gotta go... you all gotta go around now.
I’m disappointed that he didn’t say “good luck on attempt number 2”
👏
Brilliant. Lol
Missed opportunity!
Crew here, I once had a passenger get up at about 200ft on final to get their phone because they dropped it and was going to retrieve it from under her seat, we touched down pretty hard due to gusty conditions they fell over. We had tried to get them to sit down by shouting sit down and the other crew was telling them also to do the same over the PA.
Once we were clear of the runway the other crew and I left our seats and went to make sure they were ok and we were met by a hail of "WhY dIDnT yOu WArn mE?!" from an entitled 30 odd year old woman. Once we had estabished she was ok she got a stern talk about how this is the exact reason seatbelts should be worn whenever the sign is on and also to why its good to have a general idea of their surroundings instead of looking at their social media.
Even the passengers around her were telling her to sit down. She was lucky she didnt hit her head when she fell but totally her fault in this instance. She was red with embarrasment.
I travel often. My heart goes out to what the stews have to put up with. I see it all the time, always a different story, but the stupid dramas always play out leaving me shake my head.
🙄 I guess she didn’t consider… ‘Prepare for landing. Remain in your seats, and keep your seatbelts on until the seatbelt sign is turned off…’ enough of a warning… 🙄 Good grief 🤪
she felt embarrassed, learned her lesson, won't do it again. And didn't get injured. Let her move on, everyone makes (stupid) mistakes.
@@MegaKikeo That’s beyond whatever you want to call it.
She obviously didn’t pay any attention to the flight attendants throughout the flight.
Nor the announcement about the plane landing, fasten the seatbelts, and REMAIN SEATED until the fasten seatbelt sign is off.
@@MegaKikeo I'm sorry you got up to get your phone and fell over when the plane landed.
Thank you for not spoiling this moment in the title 😅
I was on the jumpseat in a Delta mad dog going into DAB and witnessed the same thing. Captain was a former air force b-52 pilot, and had some choice words on the go around. It was entertaining.
Different generation.
Most modern pilots don’t care. More block time and there’s no shame in a go around for any reason unless you’re Ryan Air.
@@calvinnickel9995 I think you're wrong. Everyone cares because modern air transportation is programmed down to the second. Any delay is a huge hassle in a workspace where there's crews that may have 4 flights a day to catch. It piles up. Fast.
@@Galf506 Good thing that go-arounds never happen ever. Wait...
I mean sure, time is money for an airline, but go-arounds are definitely a thing. Can't stick to a timetable at all if there's an accident.
@@Incommensurabilities Did I ever say they don't happen?
Calvin says he doesn't care. That's like saying office workers don't care about unscheduled overtime...
@@Galf506 what would you rather. Do? Go around when a pax gets up when the cabin is supposed to be secure? Or have to explain to your chief pilot why you continued and injured a pax who’s now suing the airline? Seems a pretty easy choice
Many many years ago, an Army guy and I (Air Force) were both in the back row of a 747 landing in Chicago. It was a bit of a rumble ride the last half hour but nothing serious. Turns out, he didn't fly much. He was looking real green when we touched down and as soon as the wheels started rolling he shot out of his seat and hit the head. The stewardess hollered at him to return to his seat but changed her mind when she heard him losing it in the toilet. He was still in there when we parked at the gate.
I had passenger come down with food poisoning out of Japan. He jumped up before the first cabin service and spent the entire trans-Pacific trip in the lav, including the landing. The flight attendant and a co-worker would check on him but unless we'd hit real turbulence he was way better off in the lav. Ah, that sweet glamour of having to travel globally for work.
I very much dispute this. You don't get food poisoning in Japan. If there's a place where you are least likely to get it, it's there. But what a terrible story, it's a 12 hours flight, I can't believe how terrible this must be on the lav.
@@jemand8462 I'll admit I don't know if he was connecting or originating in Narita for our trans-Pacific flight.
@@jemand8462 I very much dispute you, and suggest you consider that not all food in Japan is consumed within the time-frame intended.
Fresh, at the time-of-serving, does not mean it will be fresh 3 days later, after reaching room temp, and then being refrigerated to be consumed at a later time.
Regardless, the Lav survived to see another day, and it wasn't even the worst experience it had been through that week.
@@oberpenneraffe they eat loads of terrible raw stuff but it'S very safe to eat there because of high hygenic standards and most japanese being very careful in following the rules etc.
Meanwhile, in India you get food poisoning like as a medal for being a tourist there even though they cook everything.
@@jemand8462 I seem to remember President Bush getting a case of acute gastroenteritis and vomiting on the Prime Minister while in Japan
Lol, when you've got to go, you've got to go. Lol. That's an expensive bathroom break, I guess.....
Beat me to it
I had the same thing happen at the same airport on a Delta flight. Someone got up when the plane was a couple hundred feet from landing to go throw up. The flight attendants were yelling at her to sit down, and even over the intercom. The pilots carried on with the landing, probably because the flight attendants didn't want to interrupt them so close to touch down. Ended up waiting on the taxiway for her to finish in the lavatory. Then we unboarded using stairs with the small planes instead of at a proper gate. I'm assuming that was so airport security could have a word with her about not adhering to the flight attendants requests.
Tabarnak!
We cants land like dat
The pilot should have asked the ATC where to expect turbulence, and fly right through it 😂
I wish this tape could be shown to every airline passenger, so they understand the seriousness of suddenly getting up to use the restroom during taxi for takeoff or approach to landing. Some emergencies happen, but it is amazing the number of people who DON'T visit the restroom immediately before boarding, and don't time their fluid consumption, to avoid the need to do this during a landing approach.
we dont know why, but the pax could have had code brown event happen ..... and rushed to the toilet
Ever had that rare moment when you just knew you must literally go now this very second to the toilet and whether you'll make it in time is questionable? That is probably what happened to the pax. The stress from flying and trying to hold everything in till after the plane landed might be the cause.
Sadly, in today's world you will get the idiots who think this is funny and want attention and do this deliberately without any real need for the lav visit.
I'm very sure the pilot didn't use the verb "ran" by chance. Ever thought of that?! No passenger will ever go to the toilet on FINAL APPROACH when it's literally only 200m above ground.
Sometimes you just HAVE to go and can’t wait. Cabin pressure changes can exacerbate gastrointestinal issues. Going around is better than someone defecting in their seat which would almost certainly cause multiple passengers to immediately leave their seats. Now you have multiple unrestrained passengers during landing. Not good.
Captain to passengers - "This is why I told you all to go to the loo before we left."
When you gotta Go...you gotta Go-Around!
when ya gotta go ya gotta go... must admit, last time i was on a flight end of last year, there were no barf bags. so i dont blame them for running into the bathroom if that's why
Food poisoning, stomach bug, inflammatory bowel disease, there's a dozen reasons someone might need to urgently use a bathroom. I'd much rather a 20 minute delay than the guy next to me shitting himself or throwing up all over me. I took a trip when I was 16 and while we were traveling I started to come down with something. Nausea and bathroom problems mainly. Our last flight finally landed, and while we were taxing to the gate I /had/ to use the bathroom. I got up and ran to the bathroom but a flight attended put her hand on the door and told me to go back to my seat. I tried to explain how urgent the situation was, but before I could get two words out she said something like "You can either go back to your seat and hold it like a big boy (yes, she specifically said like a big boy) or I can call the pilot and he will stop the plane and we will all wait for you to finish.' Unfortunately I have problems standing up to authority so I just slumped back to my seat and curled up in the fetal position focusing on trying not to shit myself for however long it took us to taxi to the gate.
Last week we had a passenger desperate for the toilet 5 mins from landing, captain wouldn't delay landing for that so they wet their seat. The joys of airline world.
Why not just pee into the airsick bag in a pinch?
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Not knowing the gender of the passenger, that may or may not be easy to do.
For the vast majority of people, you don't instantly go from not needing to pee to being ready to burst. It builds up over time. They definitely shouldn't have waited until the plane was about to land.
@@TheAutisticTraveller Would you like to know the best bit? It was Isle of Man to Liverpool. A 25 minute flight on an A320.
@@roblancs LOL
Y’all sure do talk funny up there in Canada!😎
The one pilot sounded French Canadian. They’re called accents. We think people in Texas sound pretty funny too.
OMG some Laugh!
Bet the fellow passengers were exstatic about that and going around.
I've never experienced a go around and fly a lot. Pilots will always slam the aircraft down the first time no matter how rough the conditions are :P
2 days ago there was a coyote on the runway on final for 24R and we went round and landed on 23 on the north side
I'm sure Alan Shepard would have loads of understanding for all situations of this kind (although his was a #1 moment).
After cancer surgery, I suffer from chronic IBS. It’s part of my daily life, and for the most part I quietly deal with it and get on with life. I do have pills and aids to try to help avoid critical situations, but they aren’t perfect. I also fly a lot and seeing this triggers my greatest fear when flying. What should I do if I suddenly am faced with an immediate “explosive” situation??? I hate to tell you all, but I’ve given it deep thought, and Im sorry, but I’m going to jump up and run to the bathroom. I’ll do everything I can to avoid this, mind you. However, I think the crew, and my immediate passengers, and the crew that’s going to have to clean up the nasty disgusting mess in and under the seats, would all prefer that the plane spent a couple hundred dollars of extra fuel rather than go through the consequences of my staying seated in my place and letting nature take its course. And yes, I know it means every single person on that plane is going to be a few mins late. But sometimes life hands us really tough decisions where there is no win-win answer.
I don’t know if that’s the situation here. However, looking at some of the comments here, I would hope my fellow passengers would not judge me so harshly had it been me running for that precious toilet.
Fuck I feel for the passenger. That had to suck to feel so close but have to give up. Haha
It's not really that unusual...it's one of the hazards of flying self-loading cargo.
If the choice is between having an "accident" in the seat or some delay I think the choice would be easy since cleaning the seat would cause more of a delay for the next flight.
Of course the passenger should have done the business earlier.
I couldn't find the hourly cost to run an A220 but an A319 is apx $7000 USD / hour so assuming an extra 10 mins in the air thanks to bathroom break would be $1166 USD or $1600 CAD .....
Never mind having to rejig the pattern..
Hence the obvious thing is to just land the plane.
Well no. The setting power back to climb is a full engine cycle and the amount of fuel needed to climb back is the same as say 1 hour cruise.
You can't really think about aviation like that. A go-around is always a reasonable option if there is a safety issue.
$7000 in fuel
Or take the plane out of service to steam clean a poonamie out of 4 rows of seats....
Ya...hard choice that
When you gotta go, you GOTTA go
When you gotta go, you gotta go!
Perhaps they'll design an airline toilet bowl to which a seatbelt could be attached... it might be cheaper than go-arounds in the end?
The 2nd time... ya, #2. I getcha.
A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
I imagine that passenger enjoyed getting thrown around during the missed approach.
When you gotta go, you gotta go. . .
Lol man you’re videos are always uploaded so late. I saw this 12 days ago 😂
It almost sounded like the pilot on the radio started to whisper the reason like he was embarrassed.
It was actually the captain that needed to visit the gents.
It happens more often than one would think
@@ita94spinnaker I hope not. As someone with IBD, sometimes you /have/ to go, and you /have/ to go right now. Don't think we should force people to choose between shitting themselves and paying a fine.
Shit happens....
"Air Canada 1199 you.are #1 for landing."
""Actually, I think it's #2."
Some people are amazingly clueless on airplanes. On one flight I was on a lady got up to go to the bathroom less than 5 seconds after the wheels left the ground on takeoff. The flight attendants and several rows of passengers were immediately yelling at her to sit back down which she finally did. She was struggling to even get anywhere with the nose-up attitude and the acceleration but she still thought that was a good idea somehow...
♫ ♫ When you're landing in a plane, and you really have to drain
If only the customer knew how much $ this cost the company
Would it be offset the a potential mess in the cabin if they don't make it? Really can't win either way lol.
@@kjisnot What if they'd shat themselves - the company would have to burn the seat and compensate the adjacent passengers
this happens more often than most people probably think...
Sounds like Captain Joe.
While I understand the policy, if the passenger remains in their seat and creates a mess, the area will need a thorough cleanup and disinfecting, and that will take the plane out of service, possibly for several hours.
I've seen messed up seats from vomit and baby poo multiple times. They can rip the seats cushions/covers out and replace them in about five minutes. I was impressed. The floor? Yeah, that just sucks.
sacre bleu!!!
When ya gotta go, ya gotta go.
Not the first plane to be threatened by an imminent stool on landing.
I’ve seen Jurassic park more than enough times to know “If you gotta go, you gotta go”
Imagine being *that* passenger...
I was on a delta flight from lax-sea yesterday and we had to stop on the taxi way 3 different times because people just got up to pee after landing. What is going on…?
Hope they send him the bill for the extra fuel consumed.
When you gotta go, you gotta go
They should make the passenger pay for the fuel and air time.
You’ve gotta do what you gotta do do!
Better to go around than to have to clean the seat afterwards.
Lol, now that’s unusual I imagine
I wonder if my dad is the very last person to be locked in an airplane bathroom while the plane landed. He did it in the early 90s and he'll tell you that he had no choice, but....
This is apparently a deleted scene from "Airplane!"
So how much money did it cost for fuel for Air Canada to go around?
Maybe better than having to clean a passenger seat.... 😅
When you gotta go.....
no doubt this is company policy, but there is no safety issue at all here for the rest of the pax and crew as the pax user is now contained inside a tiny box.
@@D.c.0 this is canada so it’s transport canada but yes
@@D.c.0 this is in CANADA, aviation laws here differ in many areas
The airline must ensure safety for all passengers, and a passenger in the toilet during landing is far from safe. The go around isn't because the safety was compromised for the crew or other passengers, it was because of the stupid passenger that rushed to the bathroom. It doesn't matter if it is FAA or CAA guidelines, deciding someone did something stupid and deserves to be in danger is inhuman
The person may not be sitting, but be in another posture, and landings often have wind buffeting and impact bumps. The passenger might choose to suddenly leave the WC at a critical moment in the landing. If the person falls and gets injured, s/he potentially sues the airline, which is not worth the hassle. As is, the airline can now send the passenger a penalty fee.
Best wishes.
@@MrCaiobrz being in a bathroom on short final/landing is NOT inherently unsafe. The tiny space will keep you contained just fine.
When there is always one that SUCKS!
That's not the best reason to go around, but it's a solid number 2.
I had a CRJ900 have to go around for the same reason only a few months ago. Shit happens.
I guess literally
I am curious if it's a Transport Canada policy or a company policy that you must abort landing if there's a passenger not seated.
The passenger was seated...
@@Xanthopteryxbut with their seat belt fastened......
Common sense says that the pilots should just land.
@@EdOeuna No. Years ago there was a differnt video about a plane that gave up taking off (denying the runway for EVERYONE behind them) for the same reason. I think that plane stayed on runway for like 4 minutes. There is a reason for such a policy to exist.
@@borisglevrk - the cost and the risk to the safety of the cabin crew versus some passenger who can’t listen to instructions. Let the passenger go to the toilet.
SOP also says not to contact the pilots so close to landing, so there’s that to consider too.
Had that happen a couple of times. Nope. Not going around because someone has the shits. Try and land smooth and don’t slam on the brakes. Then pull off the runway and wait for them to finish up. But to each their own.
Is there an indication in the cockpit or did the FA let them know?
The FA stupidly let them know no doubt. Probably an inexperienced FA as you don’t break sterile cockpit for something like that.
@@cptnbennett wrong. They absolutely have to tell the flight deck and all passengers must be seated and belted prior to landing
@@cptnbennett Wrong. Keeping things like that from the flight deck crew would be grounds for termination.
@@N1120A What’s your experience level?
@@rebelmusician You sound like you have actual experience with this. What’s your TT?
Talk about a very expensive Porta Potti 😂
We just lock them in the lav and land.
Ain't that some shit.
to know that they wouldve had to answer a call from the back in the approach? wtf?
I was on a Delta flight and a demented lady ran into the toilet on final and crew begged her to get out. Nope, did a go around. Lady stayed inside. The FA opened the door and she screamed and slammed it shut repeatedly. So we landed with her still in the toilet. I figured fuel costs are maybe $5000?
I bet Air Canada were just delighted with all that extra fuel and wasted time just so somebody could go to the loo 😠
Shit happens.
I'm sorry I really had to pee lol.
Just me maybe but when they make the announcement of "We are approaching "X", please return your tray tables to the upright position..." wouldn't that be a better time to say "Hey, I better go now..." or at least wait till you land and get into the terminal? If you can't hold it...wear a diaper!!
That would be… unpleasant. Anyway, just operating costs for the airline.
Those few minutes are very costly. I worked at Toronto airport with WestJet until covid, it doesn’t only delay that plane, it delays the entire operations. Some people most probably missed their connection flights. Some passengers thinks it’s a joke or flight attendants are being mean, no, it is a big deal
If you have to go, *you have to go*
that's one expensive poop!
Chris: How do you know it wasn't to fix her eyeliner?
I wonder what that cost? Maybe add it to their ticket? if it was a real emergency that’s one thing I guess if someone couldn’t hold it till they were at least on the ground and that’s not a good thing.
When you're #1 but then #2.
Should have told the passenger to go around. (lol)
Wow… how much money did that toilet visit cost Air Canada?! 😬
Unusual reason to go around, but good call. A week or so ago, I was sitting on the last row on an A321, and after landing and at the gate, a lady came out from the lavatory, which I never saw going in after landing. There was some yawning after touchdown, so the lady in the lav, I'm sure got shooken up. Obviously the flight attendant didn't see her.
Dont mess with explosive diarrhea
Now that's an expensive poop
😅😂🤣
Performing a go-around and returning to land because someone is in the toilet isn’t really required unless it is specifically in the company SOP. Having spoken to someone about this recently they told me they wouldn’t actually contact the flight deck because this breaches the “no contact” period during landing, and that cabin crew can only provide so much help to passengers. It’s totally up to a passenger if they listen or not, and obey the fasten seat belt sign.
If by “totally up to the passenger” you mean “as long as they are willing to face criminal charges and potential financial liability”, yeah that’s right.
I don't know which airline and from what country you're flying from that gives the passengers "rights" to listen or not.. But in the US, they tell you to listen to all instruction from the air crew and if not... they will escort you off the plane.
@@1fastm322 - listening and following directions from cabin crew is a universal thing. If you don’t listen and follow instructions then you are likely going to get into trouble of some sort.
However, the cabin crew shouldn’t put their own safety at risk to stand up and deal with a passenger. The cabin crew shouldn’t be contacting the pilots either, both for something trivial like this and also during this particular phase of flight.
@@1fastm322 ….and if you are a jerk about it, the “they” that escort you off may have some nice new jewelry for you to wear.
@Ed Oeuna "company SOP" you say? Since when?
shit happens...
Why can't a plane land when a passenger is using the toilet?
Because there are no seatbelts, so if something happens on landing, the person in there has a higher chance of getting injured.
It’s an interesting question but the answer isn’t as simple you would expect.
There is a legal requirement to have everyone seated and belted on landing, except in an emergency. However, there is only so much that the cabin crew can do to force people into their seats. Look how people often stand and collect their belongings before the aircraft has reached the gate. Cabin crew can’t do anything about them.
The other consideration is for the safety of the cabin crew. Their safety is more important than the t passenger, so I wouldn’t expect them to jump out of their seats and risk injury just to force a passenger back their seat after repeated verbal requests.
Finally, during the final phase of approach and landing the cabin crew are forbidden to contact the flight deck so they wouldn’t be in a position to tell the pilots that someone isn’t in their seat, assuming that the “cabin secure” message has already been sent.
@@EdOeuna You keep saying that. So even under any sort of emergency that might arise, they can’t contact the flight deck? Under ANY circumstances? 🤔
@@troyjollimore4100 - think about it. What is more important for the pilots to do at 2000ft on approach. Land the plane or start a conversation and get distracted by the cabin crew? Even if something catastrophic was happening in the cabin (heart attack, fight, fire), delaying by a few minutes so the aircraft is in the ground makes perfect sense. Once the aircraft is on the ground then the pilots can stop the aircraft, set the park brake and use their 100% attention on the matter.
@@EdOeuna These days, on a typical fair weather approach? Not a whole lot. As in this example, the pilots handled it fairly easily. And again, their decision. 🤷♂️
Another reason to take the Seatbelts Signs seriously…
Sit down and don't go to the toilet again
@@alp1130 "you have to go even with the seatbelt sign on" Marginally better than going with the seatbelt on.
When I was a copilot I flew with a couple of Captains who never turned the seat belt sign off.....because their personal lawyers advised them not to. Luckily it was only a couple of these idiots at an airline with thousands of pilots. They're teaching the pax to ignore the seat belt sign.
@Al P It's better to go to the toilet when you can, instead of when you have to
My opinion is they just should have landed. The passenger was experiencing an emergency and was in little danger by being in the toilet for the emergency. The go around cost fuel and time. Hope no one missed their connection.
@@georgeconway4360 Your input is noted.
Don't let GenZ know this. They'll run to the lav on purpose and live stream it to get famous.
Very funny 😒
Flight attendants fault 😠✈️💵
Not necessarily fault, but they definitely shouldn’t be contacting the flight deck at such a critical time.
The $1000 shit. Probably more.
shit happens
A go-around maneuver for a passenger running to the Lou is unnecessary and unwarranted. It’s a trained maneuver, but it can be complex and exposes the crew and aircraft to a significant and surprise threat. I understand when people gotta go - you gotta go. But they are now responsible for themselves, sorry. To put unnecessary risk on the the entire aircraft is the wrong move, IMO.
Yup, they should have just landed.
They should make you pay for the fuel used to do the go around.
That is going to be the next time I fly sadly. Stuck in the toilet.
Zero seat belt in the loo.
You would think Air Canada would be used to shit in the air -- it is what they do best.
That was one expensive poo.
Why was the pilot notified? Flight attendant breaking sterile for someone using the lav is not an emergency. Furthermore why weren’t the lavs locked for landing?
My response would be “Landing”.