I generally like Joel’s ideas. The only thing I’d like to see is Indianapolis added into the neutral site rotation as the travel cost/time for northern fans can get astronomical in a championship run.
Imagine if they used the 13 and 14 seeds to include two teams that caught fire at the end of the year. Like this year it would’ve been maybe Michigan and Florida. Maybe that’s dumb but the chaos that could cause would be hilarious.
Just giving 4 seeds to the SEC and BIG10? They should have to earn it on the field! Give 2 autobids to each power 4 conference for the champion and runner up. Then on the same weekend as the championship games have interconference play-ins. 3 and 4 seeds from the power 4 play each other for up to 2 more spots in the playoff. SEC vs ACC, BIG10 vs BIG12 3vs4 seeds. That would leave 3 at large and 1 G5 bid.
No more than 4 or 5 have a realistic chance to win it all any given year ? My goodness - 8 teams should be plenty every year for the foreseeable future ? Any more than that makes it all about the $ - for many unable to ever win it all !
With NIL. The big 12 and ACC will eventually get thay elite SEC and Big 10 talent whenever those awesome sophomores or juniors transfer to the big 12 and acc. No 4 auto bids to any conference.
We need to stop with this “4 auto bids” for the SEC and BIG 10. The conferences are not that far apart… Here is a better proposal, that allows it to be settled on the field! 1. Automatic Bids: 2 for each Power 4 conference (SEC, Big Ten, ACC, Big 12). 2 for Group of 5 and Independents. This would lead to a total of 10 automatic bids, which is a good way to ensure a diverse representation across conferences. 2. Cross-Conference Matchups: The idea of having cross-conference matchups to determine the final 4 spots will allow it to be settled on the field. Here’s how that could work: 3rd seed of the ACC vs. 4th seed of the Big Ten 3rd seed of the SEC vs. 4th seed of the Big 12 3rd seed of the Big Ten vs. 4th seed of the SEC 3rd seed of the Big 12 vs. 4th seed of the ACC This provides the possibility of more exciting matchups, which could generate strong fan interest, and it allows for the determination of the best of the "next-tier" teams from each conference to compete for a spot in the final 4.
It should be the top 3 schools from each conference.so the conference will fight harder for the top 3 an the G5 winner an a FCS.school ..so all of college football can have a reason to play ..it sounds like a BCS playoff..
I actually like Klatt's thought process but instead of unfair amount of auto-qualifiers per conference lets make them play for it. Take the "champions week" or "wildcard week" and make it Cross Conference Play-in week. B10 vs Big12 & ACC vs SEC First, start with Conf Champs for each getting in. Plus G5 Championship winner & 1 at large team (decided after play-in games). That gives 8 spots left. Now take the 2nd best B10 team & have them play the 5th best Big12 team. This year would have been - PSU vs Baylor. Winner is in the playoff. Then have the 3rd best B10 team play the 4th best Big 12 team. Then 4th Best B10 vs the 3rd best Big12, Finally the 5th best B10 team plays the 2nd best Big12 team. The games would have been - PSU vs Baylor Indiana vs Colorado Ohio St vs BYU Illinois vs Iowa St You would use this same format for the SEC vs ACC. Under this format each conference has equal amount of teams that have a shot to get into the playoffs. Clemson vs LSU Miami Vs Alabama Syracuse Vs Tennessee Louisville Vs Georgia At the end its possible that the B10 & SEC get 5 teams in each, or they could only get 1 team. It all depends on how good their teams really are. This also creates a fun dynamic of Conference Rivalries.
Then you need to provide actual documentation for what FPI is based on, cuz its extremely shady that ESPN just provides the ranking with no clarification. Furthermore the rankings of FPI have like 5 loss teams over 1-2 loss teams.
Literally all conference winners should be in just like basketball and hell d3 has 30 teams make it its just better. Nobody cares about the sharmen ultra bowl and the viagra bowl
Keep it 12 teams. Reward the conference champs with *either* a home game or a bye (And do not punish teams for playing in their conference championship game). Keep the top 4 as the 4 that would have made the playoff in the 4-team era. We would have had: Oregon, Georgia, Notre Dame, Texas as the top 4 who get byes. No. 4 Texas awaits the winner of 5) Penn St. vs 12) SMU No. 3 Notre Dame awaits the winner of 6) Boise St. vs 11) Indiana No. 2. Georgia awaits the winner of 7) Arizona St. vs 10) Ohio St. No. 1 Oregon awaits the winner of 8) Clemson vs 9) Tennessee What do we think?
Only one error...the committee's final ranking actually had Oregon, Georgia, Texas and Penn St. Texas and Penn St got bumped for the auto byes by AZ St and Boise, which is why Texas was the 5 seed and Penn St was the 6, and I believe Boise was actually ranked #9 by the committee despite being the 3 seed.
@ I was primarily going off my own power rating, mixed with rankings. Even after OSU lost to Michigan, I still had them power rated as a pick em against Oregon.
Ari talking about past Nat champs were held to a higher standard? He conveniently looks past the fact that prior to NIL, those so called superior teams were loaded with 2nd & 3 string players that were capable of being another program's 1st string. All these past schools who were "undefeated" had a monopoly on the entire country's talent pool. The disparity between the "undefeated" teams and the rest was so lopsided being "undefeated" under those circumstances wasnt a real accomplishment. An undefeated season in the NFL is a real accomplishment because the talent is only spread among 32 teams. Ari's fond memories of the past aren't based in reality as he sees it. He's somehow under the impression past undefeated teams had to claw & scrarch their way through a season full of teams as elite as they were.
@@drewp.weiner2473 This new playoff era with 12+ team is brand new. That's why it talked about all the time. In all honesty though, there's really only a pool of maybe 10-12 teams that can win a title in today's football.
5:20 you gotta listen to that whole thing before you get Joel on that’s just basic due diligence. I think it’s weird when host don’t read a their book before coming in but this was less than an hour. Totally get life is busy but you had several days to knock that out knowing you’d be discussing it.
Maybe just 12 teams and have 3 auto bids for SEC and B1G. Those conferences having double the other conferences just seems unrealistic and would never be agreed to. Or do 14 teams and have like 3 play-in games
I love Klatt but I think he's over-thinking it and making it too convoluted. 14 team playoff, fine. Each conferences championship game participants get automatic bids to the playoff, this way each Power4 conference is guaranteed at least 2 teams. I think the ACC and in particular the Big12, should be grateful for that. That takes up 8 spots. One spot for the highest Group of 5 team makes 9 spots. Then you have 5 at-large bids left for whomever is deserving, whether that's ND or a buch of Big10/SEC teams, or whoever else. Boom. Done. Problem solved. I don't really know what they can do about the uneven schedules within the conferences because all the conferences are too big nowadays. Even if you play 9 conference games, you still won't be playing half of the conference. Even if you eliminated non-conference games and played all 12 conference games, it won't necessarily guarantee an accurate assessment of the best teams. Let's say in the Big10 for example....what if an Iowa played 12 conference games but managed to miss playing Ohio St, Penn St, Oregon and Michigan? It doesn't guarantee solving anything because every conference is too big . That being said, I'd love to see more Power4 vs Power4 non-conference games and eliminate the FCS opponents in non-conference games.
I've heard these ideas spouted on Joel's podcast and now on other podcasts and on the end, it's all trending the same sad cash-grab way: reinforce the two major conferences, nerf the regular season, more TV control, less University and Conference autonomy, a safer, easier way in for the big schools on a bad year, and a cut off with the traditional NY6 bowls. It's all about the "inventory", no interest in keeping conference championship games relevant and giving all schools the same chance to get in, which should be the main goal of all sports, promoting and rewarding excellence.
Indiana got horsed! ESPN wanted to show a CFP game in South Bend, so they took away a home game from the Hoosiers… The Hoosiers lost to Ohio State on the road and ND lost to Northern Illinois at home, so the Programmers took an opportunity from the Hoosiers…
First thing I would do is group of 6 have their own league and playoff so p4 team only play against other p4 team no more cupcake game. Each p4 conference have 20 team each and every p4 team play 9 conference and 3 non conference game against 1 each of other p4 conference and 2 byes also ND have to joined a conference For 12 team Playoff conference champions will get automatically byes top4 then next 8 best rank team are in and second round be seeding best vs worst all game will be home game except semi-final and national champions For 24 team playoff top 4 team from each conference get automatically bids (16) then last 8 spot are at large team next best rank team conference champions will get top 4 spot then next best rank 20 team be seedlings also all game be play home to best seedlings expect semi and national championship
Mannn just make it 8 and call it a day cause half the teams that’s complaining about not getting got 3+ losses just win the game at the end of the losing games come with consequences just WIN GAMES YOUR SUPPOSED TO WIN N MOVE TF ON
This is the stupidest thing ive ever heard take the 4 conference champions get in the tournament automatically then the top 4 teams get the byes then you rank them by how good they were
Football playoffs don’t determine ‘best team.’ NBA is an example of best team playoff and championship. Best of 5,7. I like Klatts ideas to maximize the entertainment of the sport. Best point - reduction of neutral site games. Too little notice. Too much money to travel.
This is a much better model than the 12 team...&...if Notre Dame slips up it would open up the path for another higher ranked B1G, SEC, ACC, BIG12 team....it's just better
SEC/Big10 bias forever? no thanks Change the idea to power four all get 3 auto bids... out right champs of each get an auto bid and then 2-5 play in the conference play in games
can we just do the top 14 teams 🤦♂️ idk why people have to complicate it. no byes no byeins just plays 1 plays 14. 2 plays 13 and so on. this way they’re will be more out of conference games which i think people want to see not some in conference bracket.
No way the ACC is as good or better then the SEC or big 10 lets have a fair platform and let's start cleaning out the teams that really don't play anyone. Boise, Arizona, Iowa. really
I generally like Joel’s ideas. The only thing I’d like to see is Indianapolis added into the neutral site rotation as the travel cost/time for northern fans can get astronomical in a championship run.
Love this idea
Only if they use s.e.c officials.
134 team playoff, nobody can cry then. 🤣
Imagine if they used the 13 and 14 seeds to include two teams that caught fire at the end of the year. Like this year it would’ve been maybe Michigan and Florida. Maybe that’s dumb but the chaos that could cause would be hilarious.
Just giving 4 seeds to the SEC and BIG10? They should have to earn it on the field!
Give 2 autobids to each power 4 conference for the champion and runner up.
Then on the same weekend as the championship games have interconference play-ins. 3 and 4 seeds from the power 4 play each other for up to 2 more spots in the playoff. SEC vs ACC, BIG10 vs BIG12 3vs4 seeds. That would leave 3 at large and 1 G5 bid.
The top two G5 champs could play each other the night before the Army/Navy game, with the winner going to the playoff.
No more than 4 or 5 have a realistic chance to win it all any given year ? My goodness - 8 teams should be plenty every year for the foreseeable future ? Any more than that makes it all about the $ - for many unable to ever win it all !
we'll see some teams make runs that really shouldn't...even this year ND wouldn't be there if they didn't have a very lucky path
@@greenwave819 same can be said for Ohio State
With NIL. The big 12 and ACC will eventually get thay elite SEC and Big 10 talent whenever those awesome sophomores or juniors transfer to the big 12 and acc. No 4 auto bids to any conference.
no atuobids/quotas at all, make it 16 and take the best 16
The commercial breaks are brutal
We need to stop with this “4 auto bids” for the SEC and BIG 10. The conferences are not that far apart…
Here is a better proposal, that allows it to be settled on the field!
1. Automatic Bids:
2 for each Power 4 conference (SEC, Big Ten, ACC, Big 12).
2 for Group of 5 and Independents.
This would lead to a total of 10 automatic bids, which is a good way to ensure a diverse representation across conferences.
2. Cross-Conference Matchups:
The idea of having cross-conference matchups to determine the final 4 spots will allow it to be settled on the field. Here’s how that could work:
3rd seed of the ACC vs. 4th seed of the Big Ten
3rd seed of the SEC vs. 4th seed of the Big 12
3rd seed of the Big Ten vs. 4th seed of the SEC
3rd seed of the Big 12 vs. 4th seed of the ACC
This provides the possibility of more exciting matchups, which could generate strong fan interest, and it allows for the determination of the best of the "next-tier" teams from each conference to compete for a spot in the final 4.
It should be the top 3 schools from each conference.so the conference will fight harder for the top 3 an the G5 winner an a FCS.school ..so all of college football can have a reason to play ..it sounds like a BCS playoff..
no it shouldn't. no quotas no DEI, just take the 16 best teams
DII and DIII have a normal playoff. Why is it so hard for DI? Makes zero sense
Uniform scheduling will go a long ways
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Nvm thought this was Jd
I actually like Klatt's thought process but instead of unfair amount of auto-qualifiers per conference lets make them play for it.
Take the "champions week" or "wildcard week" and make it Cross Conference Play-in week. B10 vs Big12 & ACC vs SEC
First, start with Conf Champs for each getting in. Plus G5 Championship winner & 1 at large team (decided after play-in games). That gives 8 spots left.
Now take the 2nd best B10 team & have them play the 5th best Big12 team. This year would have been - PSU vs Baylor. Winner is in the playoff. Then have the 3rd best B10 team play the 4th best Big 12 team. Then 4th Best B10 vs the 3rd best Big12, Finally the 5th best B10 team plays the 2nd best Big12 team. The games would have been -
PSU vs Baylor
Indiana vs Colorado
Ohio St vs BYU
Illinois vs Iowa St
You would use this same format for the SEC vs ACC. Under this format each conference has equal amount of teams that have a shot to get into the playoffs.
Clemson vs LSU
Miami Vs Alabama
Syracuse Vs Tennessee
Louisville Vs Georgia
At the end its possible that the B10 & SEC get 5 teams in each, or they could only get 1 team. It all depends on how good their teams really are. This also creates a fun dynamic of Conference Rivalries.
no autobids/quotas from conferences... that's what is messing this up as it is. 16 teams, take the 16 highest rated in FPI/SoR keep it simple
Then you need to provide actual documentation for what FPI is based on, cuz its extremely shady that ESPN just provides the ranking with no clarification. Furthermore the rankings of FPI have like 5 loss teams over 1-2 loss teams.
Literally all conference winners should be in just like basketball and hell d3 has 30 teams make it its just better. Nobody cares about the sharmen ultra bowl and the viagra bowl
Keep it 12 teams. Reward the conference champs with *either* a home game or a bye (And do not punish teams for playing in their conference championship game). Keep the top 4 as the 4 that would have made the playoff in the 4-team era.
We would have had: Oregon, Georgia, Notre Dame, Texas as the top 4 who get byes.
No. 4 Texas awaits the winner of 5) Penn St. vs 12) SMU
No. 3 Notre Dame awaits the winner of 6) Boise St. vs 11) Indiana
No. 2. Georgia awaits the winner of 7) Arizona St. vs 10) Ohio St.
No. 1 Oregon awaits the winner of 8) Clemson vs 9) Tennessee
What do we think?
This would have been great for TV and casual fans.
keep conference title winners out unless they meet all criteria
Only one error...the committee's final ranking actually had Oregon, Georgia, Texas and Penn St. Texas and Penn St got bumped for the auto byes by AZ St and Boise, which is why Texas was the 5 seed and Penn St was the 6, and I believe Boise was actually ranked #9 by the committee despite being the 3 seed.
@ I was primarily going off my own power rating, mixed with rankings. Even after OSU lost to Michigan, I still had them power rated as a pick em against Oregon.
Ari talking about past Nat champs were held to a higher standard?
He conveniently looks past the fact that prior to NIL, those so called superior teams were loaded with 2nd & 3 string players that were capable of being another program's 1st string.
All these past schools who were "undefeated" had a monopoly on the entire country's talent pool.
The disparity between the "undefeated" teams and the rest was so lopsided being "undefeated" under those circumstances wasnt a real accomplishment.
An undefeated season in the NFL is a real accomplishment because the talent is only spread among 32 teams.
Ari's fond memories of the past aren't based in reality as he sees it.
He's somehow under the impression past undefeated teams had to claw & scrarch their way through a season full of teams as elite as they were.
If college football is turned into the NFL it will lose most of it's appeal and fans.
So tired of cfb being only about the playoff to everyone in media
@@drewp.weiner2473 This new playoff era with 12+ team is brand new. That's why it talked about all the time. In all honesty though, there's really only a pool of maybe 10-12 teams that can win a title in today's football.
So what do you do if there are two undefeated G5 teams? Or if a G5 team beats a P5 selected team, but isnt the highest ranked G5 team?
I like Joel Klatt, but hate this. Please no!
5:20 you gotta listen to that whole thing before you get Joel on that’s just basic due diligence. I think it’s weird when host don’t read a their book before coming in but this was less than an hour. Totally get life is busy but you had several days to knock that out knowing you’d be discussing it.
Maybe just 12 teams and have 3 auto bids for SEC and B1G. Those conferences having double the other conferences just seems unrealistic and would never be agreed to. Or do 14 teams and have like 3 play-in games
I love Klatt but I think he's over-thinking it and making it too convoluted.
14 team playoff, fine. Each conferences championship game participants get automatic bids to the playoff, this way each Power4 conference is guaranteed at least 2 teams. I think the ACC and in particular the Big12, should be grateful for that. That takes up 8 spots. One spot for the highest Group of 5 team makes 9 spots. Then you have 5 at-large bids left for whomever is deserving, whether that's ND or a buch of Big10/SEC teams, or whoever else. Boom. Done. Problem solved. I don't really know what they can do about the uneven schedules within the conferences because all the conferences are too big nowadays. Even if you play 9 conference games, you still won't be playing half of the conference. Even if you eliminated non-conference games and played all 12 conference games, it won't necessarily guarantee an accurate assessment of the best teams. Let's say in the Big10 for example....what if an Iowa played 12 conference games but managed to miss playing Ohio St, Penn St, Oregon and Michigan? It doesn't guarantee solving anything because every conference is too big . That being said, I'd love to see more Power4 vs Power4 non-conference games and eliminate the FCS opponents in non-conference games.
What's the point of even playing your Conf Championship game if you are ACC or Big12?
I've heard these ideas spouted on Joel's podcast and now on other podcasts and on the end, it's all trending the same sad cash-grab way: reinforce the two major conferences, nerf the regular season, more TV control, less University and Conference autonomy, a safer, easier way in for the big schools on a bad year, and a cut off with the traditional NY6 bowls. It's all about the "inventory", no interest in keeping conference championship games relevant and giving all schools the same chance to get in, which should be the main goal of all sports, promoting and rewarding excellence.
Indiana got horsed! ESPN wanted to show a CFP game in South Bend, so they took away a home game from the Hoosiers… The Hoosiers lost to Ohio State on the road and ND lost to Northern Illinois at home, so the Programmers took an opportunity from the Hoosiers…
First thing I would do is group of 6 have their own league and playoff so p4 team only play against other p4 team no more cupcake game.
Each p4 conference have 20 team each and every p4 team play 9 conference and 3 non conference game against 1 each of other p4 conference and 2 byes also ND have to joined a conference
For 12 team Playoff conference champions will get automatically byes top4 then next 8 best rank team are in and second round be seeding best vs worst all game will be home game except semi-final and national champions
For 24 team playoff top 4 team from each conference get automatically bids (16) then last 8 spot are at large team next best rank team conference champions will get top 4 spot then next best rank 20 team be seedlings also all game be play home to best seedlings expect semi and national championship
Mannn just make it 8 and call it a day cause half the teams that’s complaining about not getting got 3+ losses just win the game at the end of the losing games come with consequences just WIN GAMES YOUR SUPPOSED TO WIN N MOVE TF ON
This is the stupidest thing ive ever heard take the 4 conference champions get in the tournament automatically then the top 4 teams get the byes then you rank them by how good they were
Reality is 8 teams would’ve been enough, 12 just lets in teams that are on boat race alert
Football playoffs don’t determine ‘best team.’ NBA is an example of best team playoff and championship. Best of 5,7. I like Klatts ideas to maximize the entertainment of the sport. Best point - reduction of neutral site games. Too little notice. Too much money to travel.
No there’s to many teams now,Should be just 4 teams.
Who is “that guy at Michigan State that does everyone’s non conference scheduling”?? How do they have such a poor program but major influence
8 TEAMS MAX anymore and you get joke games basically just to sell commercials.
with the amount of blowouts it makes no sense to expand the playoffs
This is a much better model than the 12 team...&...if Notre Dame slips up it would open up the path for another higher ranked B1G, SEC, ACC, BIG12 team....it's just better
SEC/Big10 bias forever? no thanks
Change the idea to power four all get 3 auto bids... out right champs of each get an auto bid and then 2-5 play in the conference play in games
Like the Idea of the conference "play in games" tho!
All changes are good.. reseeding will be great.. too bad we have idiots running the sport!
STOP ADDING TEAMS!!!!
Nfl have 32 teams college have more teams why not make the playoffs bracket larger 24 teams 8 get byes
can we just do the top 14 teams 🤦♂️ idk why people have to complicate it. no byes no byeins just plays 1 plays 14. 2 plays 13 and so on. this way they’re will be more out of conference games which i think people want to see not some in conference bracket.
Impossible, with 14 teams you have to do byes 🤦♂️ 😭
Gonna need some kind of bye with 14 teams
No way the ACC is as good or better then the SEC or big 10 lets have a fair platform and let's start cleaning out the teams that really don't play anyone. Boise, Arizona, Iowa. really