Very informative! Wow, I never knew there were so many different types of symbols, let alone so many different tonal qualities. It's nice to know these things as I am married to a serious and talented drummer. If I may say so, he really is quite talented. My being in love with him really hasn't skewed or biased my opinion in any way. ;) Either way, he loves Dale's drum shop and keeps promising to take me there someday to see your impressive 2 story showroom, I can hardly wait!
Unbelievable usefull vídeo. I've played drums for years and had tried Zildjian and Paiste (also Sabian a bit) most of the time but I didn't know what make them different, only know how they sound and what to expect from each one. This information cleared all my doubts
Man, let's get you guys some subs. You just taught me some things that I can't believe I didn't know already. I've heard the whole Turkish cymbal thing, but I never really questioned it. I always just thought of cymbals as cast and sheet, more or less. Paiste cymbals are very nice. For me though, the casting process is so much sexier than stamped sheet metal. Similarly why I like cast drum parts like diecast bass drum claws versus stamped steel ones
The shield has always been my theory of where gongs/cymbals came from. Early bronze age weapons makers came upon the fact that you could make a lot of sound with certain designs...and gong/cymbals were born!
After watching this I had to look up ufip. The sound is so interesting to me, that they only have one tone each. It's almost unsettlingly consistent to me. My favourite style is the"swiss" method. The shimmer of paiste and meinl are sweet music to my ears
@@TheSentinel909 They do with all their Byzance lines, but the Classics lines/ anything below B20 are what I mean. I think the B20 lines are fantastic too
very enjoyable watching!! thanks for posting! filled w/info i've learned myself over many yr's (& money spent!) beg to differ on one point regarding italian made variety, though... can't comment on newer ink stamped UFIP's, but some older zanchie vibra's i've known aren't linear sounding at all! in fact, quite opposite & depending on HOW hit 'em. can be "complex". (love when this word used describing cymbals -but this time meaning GOOD!) they're "rich", & if you can imagine, sound dark and bright at SAME TIME!!
Some cool info but seems like subtle plug for UFIP to me. And seems like a dissing of the Turkish style cymbals which have been the standard for a century and continue to be the top selling cymbals
I use a mix of Paiste Signature,2002,and Ufip for my crash cymbals..Ufips are amazing and very Musical..The roto casting gets rid of weakness in the alloy,so they say...Class Series Fast Crashes,Natural Series which are like the "K"Zildjians of the 60s and 70s...Blast Crash,and The Newer "Vibra"series....My hats are 14' and have a 2002 Sound Edge Bottom and a Signature Dark Crisp Top...2002 22" Power Ride...
Siempre se martilla antes de tornear. Luego se retoca, si hiciera falta, con un martillado luego de tornear. UFIP suele tornear y después martillar con martillo neumático y retoques de martillado a mano.
I had been using the expense China's my whole life and kind of avoided the Wuhans thinking they were "underclassers" or something. I found a 12" used one for like 20 bucks, so I took it home. Wuhan may be the only China cymbals I ever buy again, I absolutely love those things!. I like it a lot, but I do wish it was a 14" instead of at 12". It's still awesome though
@@eastbaymauiboy I had the exact same assumption about Wuhan "hey, it's a cheepy $70 Chinese made 14inch. What could go wrong?" Well... absolutely NOTHING! Loved it ever since. It has a quick and trashy but huge cutting tone. I think some other China are lathered too much. And actually, just leave it to the Chinese to make China cymbals duuuuuhh!
5:19 - difficult to understand!! "There have been a number of other Italian manufacturers that, um, could still be using it / [who] can do it this way ..." ... that sounds like reasoning in support of calling it the Italian Method, instead of just the UFIP Method. An example I know of (and I'm a noob to drums) would be vintage Tosco cymbals. I know there's not a lot of info around re Tosco, and that UFIP don't seem to like talking about them/other old Italian manufacturers. Your reasoning would support the opposite of your conclusion! Are you afraid of the UFIP Mafia, or something? Lol. I'm calling it the Italian Method ...
Tosco los fabricaba la misma fabrica UFIP, el nombre viene de Toscana, la provincia o región italiana donde esta la fábrica en la ciudad de Pistoia. En la época de los Tosco trabajaba en la fábrica UFIP el considerado mejor cimbalista de la historia, Roberto Spizzichino, ya fallecido, que luego fundaria muy cerca y en la misma ciudad su propia fabrica de platillos.
Los platillos Tosco fueron dejados de fabricar por UFIP. Ahora son objetos de colección. Pero no eran platillos superiores a cualquier UFIP., sencillamente porque los fabricaban los mismos cimbalistas.
Italia solo fabrica platillos UFIP. Spizzichino, que proviene de su creador, Roberto Spizzichino (un ex trabajador artesano de UFIP), continua fabricando y vendiendo platillos a cargo de su hijo. No se si habrán otros fabricantes actualmente pero, si los hubiera, difilmente podrían competir con semejante empresa tan prestigiosa.
True that, but one of my best random scores was a 10" UFIP splash that I found and a Goodwill for $10!!. They're like $170 new!, for a splash!. It was a big deal, because I had been using A Zildjian splashes for years. Well I sold those A's and kept the UFIP one, because it sounds like pure bliss instead of a baby gong. I'll never ever let it go, unless it breaks, which would break my heart
Why I like Zildjian/Sabian. You can choose the sound you want...not what everyone else's sound. I at one time had 6 18 inch Zildjians that were 1 thin, 2 medium thin, 2 mediums. None sounded the same. I still choose my cymbals and it may take a hundred cymbals to find the sound I like...or just a few. But it is what I want not what everyone else plays.
Can't beat Paiste's B8's to my ear. 15 2002 SE hats, 2002 24 inch ride, Giant Beat 20 multi, 18 2002's, and than there's everything else. 602's, if you insist on B20
Zildjian K.. UFIP and Wuhan are B-20 cymbals (80% copper & 20% tin w traces of silver).. Paiste 2002 are B-8 (92 copper and 8% tin). Cymbals made of the same elements.... different tones, etc have to do with hammering and lathing. B-8 cymbals with most brands represent the lower scaled cymbals. Paiste's 2002 line are used by big-named drummers.... yet, they're B=-8 cymbals. It all has to do with manufacturing... how cymbals are made. Not necessarily, about the materials.
El incomparable maestro del Jazz, Tom Rainey, usa un ride de 20" Paiste 2002 Black Label de los 70s, aleación B8 y le saca sonidos maravillosos. La lógica diría que un baterísta de jazz no debiera usar esa aleación, pero no es el instrumento, es el músico y su talento el que puede hacer que su instrumento genere música.
No es la formula porque todos conocen como se hace un B20, es la artesanía lo que crea un buen plato y de esto los turcos son los segundos en el mundo, porque primero fueron los chinos los que comenzaron haviendo platillos. Pero la propaganda yanqui hace qué parezca todo mucho más grande de lo que es.
Go with Paiste 2002', Signatures, 602's, and ya can't go wrong! Sabian have an awful overtone to my ear (even the HH's) Zildjians aren't terrible, but they just don't have that musical tone of Paiste.
Los UFIP Natural Series son espectaculares. Charlie Watts de The Rolling Stones usaba un China Natural Series de 18" (como crash) y tenía un UFIP vintage flat ride de 18" y un UFIP Experience Series China con rivets de 18" además de un hi hat Zildjian de 14", un crash Zildjian de 16" y un Zildjian Oriental Crash of Doom de 20", pero amaba sus UFIP.
Ufip are goddamn terrible at promoting their cymbals!! The rotocast patent is massive!! On top of that you're getting hand hammered and lathed cymbals by a company that has been doing it for 400 years!! Look how much extra Sabian charge for their hand hammered lines!! With a decent promotion team, they'd be up there with Ziljian, Sabian!!
nice he kept the language clean, no bad words like camber,cb700 or worst cymbal abomination ever,sabian rocktagon!or ug! lame zildjian a custom rock crash(projection also bad omen of stages)zbt makes beginners get kicked out of bands,ruins drum tracks.meinl sounds like hubcaps german pimps put on their lowered bmw whips and cops arrest for bad taste.wuhan chinas cannot be given away to make huge party ashtrays.the ping ride haunts craigs list and is shunned,and any splash cymbal is created to identify bad taste with terrible judgement,and always a piccolo snare with triggered bass drum disease,incurable and fatal if not ignored.blast beats with chinas and cowbell seem even worse if possible.
"that shield sounds pretty good . . . let's play some jazz"
OMG. Wow! The video every drummer should watch!
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Mr. Jaime: I appreciate your knowledge and your ability to articulate it. Great job! Thank you!
Damn that dude knows hit shiot
Best video for cymbals on RUclips
Very informative! Wow, I never knew there were so many different types of symbols, let alone so many different tonal qualities. It's nice to know these things as I am married to a serious and talented drummer. If I may say so, he really is quite talented. My being in love with him really hasn't skewed or biased my opinion in any way. ;)
Either way, he loves Dale's drum shop and keeps promising to take me there someday to see your impressive 2 story showroom, I can hardly wait!
*cymbals
Dont stop making videos. Thanks for this very educational lesson
Unbelievable usefull vídeo. I've played drums for years and had tried Zildjian and Paiste (also Sabian a bit) most of the time but I didn't know what make them different, only know how they sound and what to expect from each one. This information cleared all my doubts
This is very informative. I’ll have to check your store out soon. In the meantime, however, you got yourself a subscriber.
I soo appreciate this. Well done!
WOW!!! I had no idea.... thank you very much.... this is really interesting...
Brilliant video, learnt so much from this. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I think UFIP makes the most beautiful sounding cymbals - from a Paiste Lover and a Zildjian seller
Man, let's get you guys some subs. You just taught me some things that I can't believe I didn't know already. I've heard the whole Turkish cymbal thing, but I never really questioned it. I always just thought of cymbals as cast and sheet, more or less. Paiste cymbals are very nice. For me though, the casting process is so much sexier than stamped sheet metal. Similarly why I like cast drum parts like diecast bass drum claws versus stamped steel ones
Great video, very interesting explanation of the various manufacturing methods.
The shield has always been my theory of where gongs/cymbals came from. Early bronze age weapons makers came upon the fact that you could make a lot of sound with certain designs...and gong/cymbals were born!
After watching this I had to look up ufip. The sound is so interesting to me, that they only have one tone each. It's almost unsettlingly consistent to me. My favourite style is the"swiss" method. The shimmer of paiste and meinl are sweet music to my ears
I think meinl makes turkish style cymbals, no?
@@TheSentinel909 They do with all their Byzance lines, but the Classics lines/ anything below B20 are what I mean. I think the B20 lines are fantastic too
@@ReecePlaysDrums_ Ah I see, good to know!
But do they sound better than rubber cymbals during a power failure?
Holy shit! This dude should be getting royalties from this video!
very enjoyable watching!! thanks for posting! filled w/info i've learned myself over many yr's (& money spent!)
beg to differ on one point regarding italian made variety, though... can't comment on newer ink stamped UFIP's, but some older zanchie vibra's i've known aren't linear sounding at all! in fact, quite opposite & depending on HOW hit 'em. can be "complex". (love when this word used describing cymbals -but this time meaning GOOD!) they're "rich", & if you can imagine, sound dark and bright at SAME TIME!!
Brilliant. Great info. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome video! Thanks. All the subtleties make me sad for only owning a v-drum kit.
Excellent information thank you!
“Shield sounds pretty good, let’s play some jazz.”
Sounds like my kind of crazy people
Some cool info but seems like subtle plug for UFIP to me. And seems like a dissing of the Turkish style cymbals which have been the standard for a century and continue to be the top selling cymbals
Good content. You might want to consider some baffle to control the echo.
Paiste = "Pie Stee"??
Very cool. Thanks!
I use a mix of Paiste Signature,2002,and Ufip for my crash cymbals..Ufips are amazing and very Musical..The roto casting gets rid of weakness in the alloy,so they say...Class Series Fast Crashes,Natural Series which are like the "K"Zildjians of the 60s and 70s...Blast Crash,and The Newer "Vibra"series....My hats are 14' and have a 2002 Sound Edge Bottom and a Signature Dark Crisp Top...2002 22" Power Ride...
I thought zildjian hammered before lathing?
Siempre se martilla antes de tornear. Luego se retoca, si hiciera falta, con un martillado luego de tornear. UFIP suele tornear y después martillar con martillo neumático y retoques de martillado a mano.
Wuhans are great for the price. B20 cast bronze for less than half the price. I have Wuhan crashes and I love the sound.
I had been using the expense China's my whole life and kind of avoided the Wuhans thinking they were "underclassers" or something. I found a 12" used one for like 20 bucks, so I took it home. Wuhan may be the only China cymbals I ever buy again, I absolutely love those things!. I like it a lot, but I do wish it was a 14" instead of at 12". It's still awesome though
@@eastbaymauiboy I had the exact same assumption about Wuhan "hey, it's a cheepy $70 Chinese made 14inch. What could go wrong?" Well... absolutely NOTHING! Loved it ever since. It has a quick and trashy but huge cutting tone.
I think some other China are lathered too much. And actually, just leave it to the Chinese to make China cymbals duuuuuhh!
PREACH!!!!
5:19 - difficult to understand!! "There have been a number of other Italian manufacturers that, um, could still be using it / [who] can do it this way ..." ... that sounds like reasoning in support of calling it the Italian Method, instead of just the UFIP Method. An example I know of (and I'm a noob to drums) would be vintage Tosco cymbals. I know there's not a lot of info around re Tosco, and that UFIP don't seem to like talking about them/other old Italian manufacturers. Your reasoning would support the opposite of your conclusion! Are you afraid of the UFIP Mafia, or something? Lol. I'm calling it the Italian Method ...
Tosco los fabricaba la misma fabrica UFIP, el nombre viene de Toscana, la provincia o región italiana donde esta la fábrica en la ciudad de Pistoia. En la época de los Tosco trabajaba en la fábrica UFIP el considerado mejor cimbalista de la historia, Roberto Spizzichino, ya fallecido, que luego fundaria muy cerca y en la misma ciudad su propia fabrica de platillos.
Los platillos Tosco fueron dejados de fabricar por UFIP. Ahora son objetos de colección. Pero no eran platillos superiores a cualquier UFIP., sencillamente porque los fabricaban los mismos cimbalistas.
Italia solo fabrica platillos UFIP. Spizzichino, que proviene de su creador, Roberto Spizzichino (un ex trabajador artesano de UFIP), continua fabricando y vendiendo platillos a cargo de su hijo. No se si habrán otros fabricantes actualmente pero, si los hubiera, difilmente podrían competir con semejante empresa tan prestigiosa.
UFIP fue creada en 1931, es decir que tiene 92 años de historia desde su fundación en Pistoia, Toscana, Italia.
UFIP =Expensive
True that, but one of my best random scores was a 10" UFIP splash that I found and a Goodwill for $10!!. They're like $170 new!, for a splash!. It was a big deal, because I had been using A Zildjian splashes for years. Well I sold those A's and kept the UFIP one, because it sounds like pure bliss instead of a baby gong. I'll never ever let it go, unless it breaks, which would break my heart
@@eastbaymauiboy just like my cheepy little Wuhan China.
I have a ufip 8" brilliant that retails for $200! It soothes my soul.
Son mucho más caros los Zildjian, Meinl, Paiste, Bosphorus y Sabian. UFIP es sinónimo de calidad a buen precio.
Paiste RUDEs. Love em.
Why I like Zildjian/Sabian. You can choose the sound you want...not what everyone else's sound. I at one time had 6 18 inch Zildjians that were 1 thin, 2 medium thin, 2 mediums. None sounded the same. I still choose my cymbals and it may take a hundred cymbals to find the sound I like...or just a few. But it is what I want not what everyone else plays.
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I found the wuhans to be trashy sounding. Good deal for the price.
Can't beat Paiste's B8's to my ear. 15 2002 SE hats, 2002 24 inch ride, Giant Beat 20 multi, 18 2002's, and than there's everything else. 602's, if you insist on B20
O los Masters qué son B20.
Such an insightful video to help drummers, but you really needed to mic yourself and not the the store.
nice video
Paiste: sheet bronze.
Zildjian, Sabian, Turkish, Istanbul, Bosphorus, Wuhan, etc: Cast bronze.
UFIP: rotocasting bronze.
Hammerax as a 5th type
Zildjian K.. UFIP and Wuhan are B-20 cymbals (80% copper & 20% tin w traces of silver).. Paiste 2002 are B-8 (92 copper and 8% tin). Cymbals made of the same elements.... different tones, etc have to do with hammering and lathing. B-8 cymbals with most brands represent the lower scaled cymbals. Paiste's 2002 line are used by big-named drummers.... yet, they're B=-8 cymbals. It all has to do with manufacturing... how cymbals are made. Not necessarily, about the materials.
El incomparable maestro del Jazz, Tom Rainey, usa un ride de 20" Paiste 2002 Black Label de los 70s, aleación B8 y le saca sonidos maravillosos. La lógica diría que un baterísta de jazz no debiera usar esa aleación, pero no es el instrumento, es el músico y su talento el que puede hacer que su instrumento genere música.
why showing the China cymbals backside People want to look at the playing side
Let’s play some jazz!
Zildjian is not Turkish, the Zildjian formula was invented by an Armenian not a Turk. He lived in turkey but he was Armenian.
No es la formula porque todos conocen como se hace un B20, es la artesanía lo que crea un buen plato y de esto los turcos son los segundos en el mundo, porque primero fueron los chinos los que comenzaron haviendo platillos. Pero la propaganda yanqui hace qué parezca todo mucho más grande de lo que es.
Good job ...thanks
Go with Paiste 2002', Signatures, 602's, and ya can't go wrong! Sabian have an awful overtone to my ear (even the HH's) Zildjians aren't terrible, but they just don't have that musical tone of Paiste.
Paiste hi-hat, turkish crashes and ride, chinese china.. thats how I roll.. I have played all cymbals there is... all but the ufip´s never have.
Los UFIP Natural Series son espectaculares. Charlie Watts de The Rolling Stones usaba un China Natural Series de 18" (como crash) y tenía un UFIP vintage flat ride de 18" y un UFIP Experience Series China con rivets de 18" además de un hi hat Zildjian de 14", un crash Zildjian de 16" y un Zildjian Oriental Crash of Doom de 20", pero amaba sus UFIP.
@@alejandrobustos2268 20"!!! 8) wow! now thats a cymbal you need to use with moderation :) and earplugs.
Don’t buy at this place. Horrible customer service, and the owner Dale, never calls you back resolves any problems.
Nothing as loud as a Wuhan China!
Ufip are goddamn terrible at promoting their cymbals!!
The rotocast patent is massive!!
On top of that you're getting hand hammered and lathed cymbals by a company that has been doing it for 400 years!!
Look how much extra Sabian charge for their hand hammered lines!!
With a decent promotion team, they'd be up there with Ziljian, Sabian!!
UFIP solo tiene 92 años de vida.
nice he kept the language clean, no bad words like camber,cb700 or worst cymbal abomination ever,sabian rocktagon!or ug! lame zildjian a custom rock crash(projection also bad omen of stages)zbt makes beginners get kicked out of bands,ruins drum tracks.meinl sounds like hubcaps german pimps put on their lowered bmw whips and cops arrest for bad taste.wuhan chinas cannot be given away to make huge party ashtrays.the ping ride haunts craigs list and is shunned,and any splash cymbal is created to identify bad taste with terrible judgement,and always a piccolo snare with triggered bass drum disease,incurable and fatal if not ignored.blast beats with chinas and cowbell seem even worse if possible.
Yes, good video. Make another while not behind a busy cash register. And consider actually playing one. Yes, I am a hater.
I got very little from this "authority". I suggest viewing brands manufacturing videos.