DUNE PART 2 Ending: What Will Happen In Dune Messiah?
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- Dune Part 2 ending and what will happen in Dune Messiah? In this video essay, I discuss the ending of Denis Villeneuve's Dune Part 2 and how it sets up Dune Messiah. The ending scene with Paul Atreides as the new Emperor and Chani leaving, sets up a Dune Messiah movie in an interesting way. There are heavy spoilers in this video.
Paul Atreides leads nomadic tribes in a battle to control the desert planet Arrakis. Dune is an upcoming epic science fiction film directed by Denis Villeneuve with a screenplay by Jon Spaihts, Villeneuve, and Eric Roth. The film is an international co-production of Canada, Hungary, the United Kingdom, and the United States. It is the first of a planned two-part adaptation of the 1965 novel of the same name by Frank Herbert, which will cover roughly the first half of the book. The film stars an ensemble cast including Timothée Chalamet, Rebecca Ferguson, Oscar Isaac, Josh Brolin, Stellan Skarsgård, Dave Bautista, Stephen McKinley Henderson, Zendaya, David Dastmalchian, Chang Chen, Sharon Duncan-Brewster, Charlotte Rampling, Jason Momoa, and Javier Bardem.
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1:50 Dune Part 2 Ending Explained: Paul Atreides And Chani
3:59 What Will Happen In Dune Messiah?
5:43 Dune Messiah Chani Story Explained
10:05 How Denis Villeneuve Will Adapt Dune Messiah?
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Here's my video talking about how the ending of Dune Part 2 could lead into Dune Messiah. How do you think Denis Villeneuve will go about it and do you think we'll see the holy war at the start of the next film?
I just watched it yesterday and although I don't think this is the best of Villeneuve's movies or the best Sci fi in years I still can't wrap my head around how they achieved this. Definitely a modern classic.
Thanks for all the hard work you put in covering it. Greetings from Poland!
I do think Villeneuve will spend some time depicting the Holy War. He has shown he is well aware people want to see action, and despite Herbert skipping most of the details, it isn't out of place to show it. I also wonder if the movie will start directly after pt 2 just like this one started directly after pt 1.
Chani has the look on her face and she is angry with her Prince Paul Muad'dib Atreides.!!
Dune's Messiah is a good read, but to make it work on the big screen in a way that pleases movie audiences there will have to be significant changes. This might piss off book purists, but I don't think being mostly faithful to the 2nd novel would produce a satisfactory third film. As written, Messiah doesn't have anything close to the action that Dune has, as it's mostly intrigue and shady plots from unsavory characters against a hero who lost his luster. Making a successful Dune Messiah film faithful to Herbert's themes but adding significant action scenes will be a difficult challenge for Villeneuve, but it sounds like he has a vision for it. I'm looking forward to seeing how he will approach it, and I hope he succeeds in making it work.
Keep in mind that the children of dune miniseries in 2003 did adapt Messiah and Children of Dune quite well.
I get that it's different for the movie format. I think the change is necessary though because if the 3rd Dune movie is the last, then they have to wrap up the story.
There are 6 books written by Frank Herbert. If you tried to adapt them all to a movie, you'd lose the audience. Book 4 becomes weird as hell, and it onky gets worse in 5 and 6.
Definitely will be changed from here on out. I think Denis will try to keep as much as book as possible but he's likely goona have to add some added action set pieces and other aspects for general audiences. I have faith it will still be very enjoyable.
I think that’s why Denis chose to have the great houses go against Paul in the end so we can get a galaxy wide war
I'd imagine the easiest way to have action would be to move the story's events to earlier on in the jihad, so there can be scenes of the fremen genociding/subduing planets etc. One of the aspects of the book I found disappointing was the lack of insight into the events of the jihad, other than the statistics
I think changing is already pregnant when she left Paul to go back to the desert, if the first scene of messiah isnt him stopping her getting on the worm, all bets are off and we will see vast changes to both approach and structure
I think a good approach would be to have the twins talk to her in the womb as she's about to do the jump, stopping her in her tracks.. but that might be a bit wild for some to process,
idek how Aliya gained sentience BEFORE Jessica invested the sandworm sizzurp so who even knows (Jessica could've been lying to/manipulating Paul mind you, as we don't SEE Aliya speaking till AFTER Jessica undergoes spice agonies)
Either way it's gonna be crazy, as well as for logic streamlining reasons I think Denis made things this way so no one would have a clue what direction he would take with Messiah, other than Duncan's gola returning and Paul walking off blind into the desert being the final scene of the movie, we have NO CLUE as to the scope or dynamic of Messiah
Just got done watching it in IMAX. Holy. Shit.
so freaking good in IMAX
Paul Muh haa deeeb!
At the end I wanted to shout out beware charismatic of leaders
I'm still getting headaches (a good headache) after leaving the theatre!
Bro me too that jawn was unbelievable, the sound the picture and all out great movie
It's seeming more likely that Denis won't do the big timeskip. This helps in him getting to actually show some of the holy war and also keeps Paul young so Timmy's youthful looks won't be a big issue.
Also I don't think Chani will go against Paul. As he states that she will come to understand. That would be too big a divergence even for Denis. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if she's pregnant since part 3 will pick up where part 2 leaves off.
Another thought I had is that Chani leaving eliminates the need to have Irulan poison her slowly with contraceptives. There could be a story where Irulan and the BG try to eliminate Paul and Chani's unborn children. Idk. Lots of possibilities. As someone who's read the books it's kinda exciting not knowing exactly what will happen next.
But if theres no timeskip then how will anya taylor joy play alia atreides? Maybe they can say she ages rapidly due to the water of life while in the womb or something like that
@@chrismalinowski654 People who take Spice Melange or are exposed to it regularly don’t age physically for a very very long time. They’ll probably include that aspect from the book as a way to keep the same actors fingers crossed.
I thought the same. I think chani is prob pregnant and the focus is on Irulan administering abortives, not contraceptives. Bc the conspiracy is still very much about eliminating that atreides bloodline (see conversation between Mohaim and Irulan when Mohaim is imprisoned in the book).
Chani is such a central aspect of Paul's fears and motivations in Messiah that I don't see their relationship being substantially altered. I agree that Denis wouldn't diverge that far. Plus he loves Messiah, and he loves that love story.
Yeah but their cartilage keeps growing nose ears
@@chrismalinowski654 Chani's pregnancy of the twin was accelerated by the spice. So accelerated ageing associated with the spice is not unheard of.
I loved dune part 2
Absolute masterpiece
I feel like dune messiah will start with a voice over explaining how the jihad has conquered the galaxy and maybe even show some scenes from it, like scenes as in like a compilation. The voice over will explain how many planets they've subdued and stuff
I'm not sure if they'll save the death toll for later or not
It's simply not as good as Lynch's version. The barron... un threatening, mild mannered, comes across as an office manager. The emperor is like a drunk grampa, no opulance or decedence... zero world building, bland set design its flat boring very bland dreary and dull. sure good cinema and cgi as youd expect from money being thrown at it. No spacing guild or Ix. As a huge Dune fan i have no immediate urge to ever watch it again. villeneuve is a great director, but he missed the mark on this adaptation.
@Floyd1138 did u watch the movies or read the books?
Listen I don't want to start a fight here ok
But come on
The baron is threatening, he is always a presence throughout the movies and is a murdering pedo
Look I legitimately can't talk much rn but while there are some admirable elements in lynch's dune , Denis' is on another level
I'll try and talk more later if you want, but rn just here, lynch's has some admirable elements but it can't really compare to denis' and it doesn't even capture the message of the story
K let's not start a fight here
yes i have read the books, this version of the baron is the worst on screen version, he does nothingl, wasted opportunity.... not menacing in these movies, zero threat, office manager. Feyd a shouty agnty teen, the beast, did nothing.@@whysnjsjej dull dreary and drab
@@Floyd1138bro you got to be trolling only you feel this way about these characters everybody else disagrees but your opinion is your opinion so I respect it anyways. Just know majority of people don’t feel the way you feel about these characters they were menacing.
menacing by doing what, absolutely nothing menacing lol ok cool story@@aurangzaibbutt8904
I'm not sure how many people (especially those who haven't read the books) realize that Dune is an absolute tragedy of a story. Are people still gonna be rooting for the Fremen when they genocide their way across the galaxy?
at least, from viewer pov, its a progress from shear extinction to inhuman rise of the missguided fremen bloody crusade.
Morale relativity is our talent, and in Arrakis, life is beyond cruelty.
nothing wrong with that
Go white boy go
✊️ To Paradise!
Is it actually genocide? What makes u say that? Just cuz its billions of deaths across the universe doesn't meant its genocide. I havnt read the books tho so I'm curious
As long as we get a full Anya Alia performance and a good Bijaz and Scytale and Edric, and the same design and effects teams and Zimmer, he can change whatever he wants to to make it work as a huge epic movie. Messiah is even more unadaptable than the original in some ways. I am concerned he hasn’t even introduced the Navigators or the Tlielaxu at all yet so that’s a lot of exposition to get through quickly during Alia’s opening monologue …. Fingers crossed for one last awesome Dune film. Part Two outdid Part One, and if Messiah outdoes Part Two then Denis is truly the Lisan al-Gaib
I need to re-read Messiah now...
There's a lot there to adapt to be sure, especially when you consider how much time passes by without Frank Herbert telling us much about what happened during that time.
Bring on the full Greek tragedy...
if you read it backwards it has a happy ending.
Can't wait for Duncan to come back
We can expect three things:
Chanis twins
Duncan's return
Paul wandering blind into the desert being the final act/final scene
Everything else inbetween being up for grabs is both exciting and terrifying, whatever the case this will be the most ANTI-star wars trilogy in the history of cinema.
It's rather ironic and perhaps kismet that the film that plagiarised most from DUNE, a dark tragedy of unimaginable scale complexity and nuance, also invented the modern simplistic feel good campbellian blockbuster formula,
Hell the three act sequel where the finale ends on high and triumphant note is intrinsically tied to star wars
So how fitting, especially in these times of filmic uncertainty and box office malaise, that DUNE.. the progenitor herself should be what marks an end to the reign of the formulaic block buster.
Time is but a flat circle indeed
@@o-wolf - I kinda think they may leave out Hayt, as gholas are a pretty weird concept, and give those plot functions to other characters. same with Bijaz 🤷🏻♂️
@@Sam_T2000 That would surprise me. In any event, if they do cast the Hayt character, it will be known fairly quickly since it will be a key marketing point for the film.
I think it'll just be called Dune: Part 3. It'll draw some elements of Messiah (as well as things left out of the second half of the original Dune as well as Children of Dune), but it'll be more of a sequel to Part 2 rather than an adaptation of the Messiah book.
I actually hope it incorporates elements from the rest of the series, and try to give Paul a heroic sacrifice to set humanity on the Golden Path and the Scattering and all that… probably not God-Emperor Leto, though 🤷🏻♂️
Well probably his son but as a child is my guess
Putting Messiah and Children of Dune together in one movie will take a lot of editing of the books' themes. That would be a fitting end to.the fiilm.series..No one in their right mind would try to.make a film out of God Emperor, Heretics or Chapterhouse.
For sure. I trust DV to wrap up his trilogy in a compelling way that uses elements of Messiah and Children of Dune even but doesn't stick to them like they are Scripture. Maybe his trilogy ends with Paul walking off into the desert alone, giving up his throne, Chani (as de facto leader of the fremen) overseeing the terraforming of Arrakis into a true paradise. Alia? Hmm, she could be left as Empress but curious how she and Paul and Chani's children will end up at the end of Part 3, but yes I think DV's trilogy will stay focused mostly on Paul and Chani and the fate of Arrakis, and that's for the best....@@ewarrior9776
I think they’ll make more of a story of the jihad which is skipped entirely in the books
I think Chani is already pregnant with her first son or even the twins. At this point only that would bring her back to Paul. Herbert turned Chani into a brood mare who is obsessed with popping out heirs in Messiah. I like the fact that Chani will remain a warrior.
Praying the Holy War plays out on the big screen… some epic battle scenes before slowing things down to Messiah 🙏🏼
I think we're absolutely going to get that!
Or flashback sections through the narrative of Messiah showing the Jihad and how the decisions he made in the past effects the present/future.
@@Conorp77 fingers crossed 🤞🏼
Hard to make guesses from here but you've done the best so far - can't wait for part 3.
The moment Chani dies will be completely heartbreaking.
I like how everyone else is hyped, praising Villanueve, and all of a sudden interested in all things DUNE.
And we just over here like: "Yeah this will be our gen's Star Wars, except actually this is technically came before Star Wars, Denis is SciFi GOAT'ed we saw this coming, DUNE: Messiah is happening and will be as good if not better, also Chani dies 🗿" 😂
@user-kn6eg5jg7eshe is anything but one dimensional in this film lmao.
@user-kn6eg5jg7e did we watch the same movie?!
@user-kn6eg5jg7egreatest lie of 2024 so far 😂
@user-kn6eg5jg7ewhat are you talking about?
I think for most there’s no doubt that DV will adapt Dune Messiah very well to the big screen. But the questions now are we gonna get the third movie soon or are gonna have to wait if DV wants to take a break?
It's going to be a wait. He has already listed three or four other movies.
Based on what I've seen in the second film I'd say that Messiah will go like this:
Chani and Paul's relationship is fractious and fraught with mistrust and anger.
Irulan still conspires against Paul and Chani as she receives no love or children from Paul and is pushed by Mohiam etc to eliminate the Atriedes bloodline.
Irulan will slip Chani contraceptives etc that Chani will knowingly take to spite Paul, who is ironically allowing this to happen.
These measures will fail as Paul confesses his desire to walk away from the throne thus reconciling the relationship between Chani and Paul.
Chani will stop taking contraceptives and fall pregnant/die in childbirth at the end as Paul walks into the desert.
The ending might be slightly changed though...
Love this and think your predictions make sense.
(Book spoilers below, of course)
I don't think Chani will be an adversary to Paul, as some predict. I read the final scene in Part 2 as Chani not hating Paul, but as her being devastated, angry, anguished, and confused precisely because she loves Paul and hates what is happening. Even when we see the fight scene, Chani is still concerned about Paul. She's overwhelmed that he gets stabbed and might
die. It's a complex thing. They have a nuanced and complicated love, which I think is how things will continue in the next film. I also think her character needs to be close to Paul, not only to sort of track the book, but also to continue serving as the moral center of the film. I also think Film-Messiah will pay off (1)
the fact that Paul said, "She will come to understand. I've seen it." and (2) "I will love you as long as I breathe." And (3) the blue scarf, which in “Art and Soul of Dune: Part Two” is explained to represent love in Fremen culture (it is telling that Chani still wears it at the end, albeit on her arm). Those things can be played in so many ways, but I think Denis will choose to play them in
a way that is close to the text, given his love for it (he has said Messiah is his favorite). So, I think this means we get to see her "come to understand" quite early, and we also get to see some of the love again. (Narrow possibility that she might even be pregnant with the twins as Dune Part 2 ends, and perhaps that is what triggers their reunion). I don't think we are going to have a 12 year time-jump. I like your point about the flash forward putting adult Alia well into the future. I honestly think Alia is going to be approached entirely differently, perhaps as a toddler as she is in the first book. I think Hayt's character's interactions will focus on Paul (not Alia).
I appreciate this.
I hope what Denis does with Dune 3/Messiah is what he did with Part Two and shortens the gap of time and shows us incremental scenes that allows us as viewers to experience the growth/development/degredation of these characters in little snipets, hopefully for the first hour or so. And then, he goes straight into Messiah mode for the rest of the runtime. I thought the pacing of Part 2 was quite exceptional considering the time skipping, and it wasn't jarring at all thanks to how much they showed us in those increments. It wasnt too much information, and it wasnt too little, and you could feel Paul's development with the Fremen very very well for that first hour of the film.
I trust Denis is going to deliver a very satisfying conclusion, even if, at this point, it will most likely really diverge from the second book past this point. But it'll serve the adaptation really well. And he tackled the main themes of the first book so perfectly that I trust he will only continue to keep the story very faithful in spirit. These two movies have given me such a facination and a longing for sci-fi with such depth, so I'm fully on board with whatever he's got. And Part 2 has a wealth of rewatchablity that I think I can hold over for a few years while Part 3/Messiah is being produced.
I do think though that whatever route Villeneuve takes, that Paul and Chani's re-connection will be somewhat driven by Chani having her and Paul's two children.!!
Looking forward on how Denis will leave the agony storyline intact.
Paul becomes blind, has 2 kids, Chani dies, his sister falls in love with the resurrected Duncan that is bought back to kill Paul.
Really how does he go blind only halfway through book 1 read after Children of Dune series does a jump the shark
Just to name a few....
@@RobertK1993 Dune is in the running for my favorite novel. I liked each sequel progressively less, and quit after God Emperor.
Plenty of people feel differently. Book (Dune Messiah) SPOILER below
spoiler : In a plot to kill him, Paul is blinded by a stone-burner, a weapon using atomic fuel (technically not an atomic, however).
Though his eyes are destroyed, he can still see/navigate through life because of his prescience (up to the point of Chani's death).
The woman he was following in the vision was Alia not Jessica. Chani will “come to understand” by pt 3 as Paul specifically said he had foreseen after taking the WOL. My guess is that. Chani will be his love interest again in 3, but her role will be more of the conscience of Paul for the audience rather than leaving it up to internal thoughts and whatnot. I don’t think she will be against him like Korba. I think the end will probably play out mostly the same as the book; with her death being the final catalyst to him to walk away into the desert. I think that, poetically, Villeneuve plans to end each movie with a journey into the deep desert. Paul and Jessica with Stilgar’s troop in pt 1, Chani in pt2, and Paul in pt 3.
Denis' comments on Steven colbert's show is the closest yet that i've seen him suggest Dune Messiah is GOING to happen. He really struggled to have any doubt in his answer. I think he's been swayed 😀
He said they already have wrote most of the script for it in a different interview too
@CortexVideos I love your coverage. I also think you missed the ambiguity in the final scene. Denis suggested that Chani will leave with strong visual language and action, but we don't actually see her get on the worm. Dune Messiah could begin with her walking straight back, angry with herself but beholden to her Fedaykin self.
Everyone seems to be overlooking that Chani doesn't actually go through with her intent. Sure she may, but it's equally possible that she may not.😢
Oh of course it could. I wasnt saying she got on the sandworm or that i think shes completely abandoned paul. I even say in the vid that I think they'll reconnect for the events of messiah cause we know that story. I think primarily its to show that shes leaving the side of him thats unleashing the holy war. She's not abandoning her love for him. But hey we'll see how he handkes that book when he does 😊
@@CortexVideos that's true 👍 i think your analysis of what Denis is trying to say is spot on and not at all what i'm seeing elsewhere. I also think what I'm noticing is that most reviewers/analysts are drawing a conclusion where it's only a possibility ("chani was about to get on the worm, so of course she gets on the worm and this upsets the novel because she spends some amount of time away" yadda yadda). i'm interested in what happens if she doesn't ride away. Fedaykin go where they are led, not for the leader, but for their people. what conflict does it put Chani in if she turns around in the next moment? imagine the emotion of it... i love imagining the "what if" lol it's clear you do too lol
but hey, ya heard me rant and i have no criticisms of your work 😅 keep up the good work, and thanks for the engagement!
I have my doubts about all this, unless Messiah is divided into a DUNE part 4. Dune Messiah (book) starts a decade into the future. Alya is 16 years old in Messiah and we see her in Paul's vision in DUNE 2. One of the things that bugged me about DUNE 2 is that it took place over months instead of 4-5 years. Alya is supposed to be 4 years old by the End of Dune 2, which makes her 16 in Messiah. Paul and Chani had Leto I, who died by an imperial raid on their seiche. I liked that Denise made Chani more skeptical against the prophecy. It more matches her parent Leit Kynes. But making her so rebelious throughout the movie made her too linear and was too much of a cookie-cutter approach to her character. She might believe the prophecy is fake, however, watching paul predict future patterns, watching him survive the water of life (which no man has ever done!), watching him exercise the powers of the Kwisatz Haderach is going to crack a lot of her skepticism on Paul as un-earthy in his capabilities. She might embrace him or fear him. But she is not going to be the same Chani from the start of DUne 2 to the end. Even her father (or mother in this case) Liet Kynes was shifting in belief.
Weird comparison, but Paul reminds me a bit of Jin Kazama from Tekken. Particularly Tekken 5 -6 where he takes the thrown of the Zaibutsu and claims war against the world to conquer a greater evil.
Brilliant thoughts on how Villeneuve will adapt Messiah!
I’ve had a chance to watch Dune Part Two a few times today and in my review noted it was a beautiful movie, it truly is.
As a preamble to my thoughts on the next movie and how it will be adapted, an important note that I gathered on my recent viewing of Part Two is that from the moment Paul drinks the Water of Life, everything he does following this moment is surgical. Now what do I mean by this statement?
In a quick flash scene when Paul is with his mother in front of the little maker in the South, Paul sees his hand with his knife giving the lethal blow to Feyd Rautha.
Also when he explains how he can the see the narrow way through, my interpretation of this is that in order to reach the point of victory he must do certain decisions to do so.
Which is why he accepted the mantle of the Mahdi suddenly after adamantly saying he did not want to travel south because of the fundamentalists. His vision of victory for the Fremen meant that he had to accept the mantle.
Although this does still leave some unanswered questions but one in particular is why did he not explain this to Chani? Why did he leave her hurt and filled with rage as shown at the end of Part Two?
Paul knew Chani would not simply agree with him talking over but says confidently in Part Two that in the end she will understand and come to see. I think in some way Chani is Paul’s hope to try and stop or at least mitigate the wrath of the Holy War.
In the book Paul’s is always trying to stop that horror no matter what, this has not changed so I think Villeneuve will change Chani’s role in Messiah to be essentially Paul’s hope. Paul knew that Chani’s rage at the false prophet would lead her to try and free her people in the end, hence why that ending shot is of Chani’s rage.
Perhaps Chani’s role in Messiah will be a different version of Korba’s role in Messiah - a Fremen who betrayed Muad Dib as he did not agree with the world he was creating. For context to those who have not read the book - Korba was a Fedaykin Fremen soldier who attacked Arrakeen with Paul.
Ultimately Paul and Chani will make up in the end as they have two children: Leto II and Ghanima.
In relation to the conspiracy with the Bene Theilaxu, Reverend Mother and the Guild, I think this will be the major plot point of the story but more so in the middle of the movie.
I agree with with you on the beginning of Messiah, Villeneuve will most likely use the beginning to showcase the invasion of planets by the Fremen: Kaitan, Caladan, Giedi Prime etc, to show the true spread of the holy war across that 12 year period (or whatever time period jump Villeneuve uses). Then it will move to that conspiracy to kill Muad Dib.
Also, I think a few of us have noticed that in Part 1 what Paul foresaw of him fighting amongst the Fedaykin in his vision turned out to be Chani instead. I think with Paul’s vision with Chani being burned I think it’ll be the same case where vision is not correct there because it’s not Chani that will be burned but him.
The reason I mention this is that it is a subtle nod to Paul being blinded by the stone burner in Messiah where Chani in Paul’s vision is burned - this I believe is an indication that Paul’s face will be heavily burned when he is blinded in Messiah. For context to those who have not read Messiah - Paul becomes blinded by a stoneburner explosion - he can still see due to his prescience and the fact he has forseen all the events and where everyone is so through his forsight he can still see.
I suspect the time jump will be longer than 12 years, as it was in the book. My only basis for this Anya Taylor Joy as Alia. In the book Alia is about 14/15 but this was because she was born during the time jump in the Dune book before Paul became Emperor so unless they cast another younger actress as Alia they’d need to have a bigger time jump, like 20 years or something.
In relation to Lady Jessica, her role has somewhat transformed from protagonist slowly to antagonist given that her mission to prepare and protect Paul has transformed to cause the Holy War. In the book (I think at the Cave of Birds) Paul said that his mother was his enemy, even if she didn’t realise she was because she is directing him to the Holy War.
These are my thoughts on Messiah based on deductions from Part Two. Feel free to critique or input what you think what will happen in Messiah!
Thanks for taking the time to read :)
Long live the FIGHTERS
20 year timeskip would be difficult to pull off cause then the returning cast has to age by 20 years each lol
I suspect Paul will spend much of Messiah trying to avoid Chani death. But will ultimately fail. (Wonder if Gurney will say it's inevitable. )
As Paul moves closer to the agony. He will finally accept his alternative fate, with the birth of his children and realize Leto II will undergo the agony.
The open question is will Paul still have children with Chani or maybe change it to Irulan. Switching to Irulan would make the story easier to follow.
@@chrismalinowski654well the spice does slow down aging. While accelerating Alia maturing.
I hope it shows two timeframes, some of the immediate aftermath of part 2 and the actual plot of Messiah itself. Where a lot of the book was just characters discussing how bad everything got, it would be nice to see it happen to really hammer it in
Loved the film. Love your reviews as well. Thank you.
They will add a bit of drama with Chani and Paul (which will be resolved of course) and action from the Jihad to spice up Messiah, and that will work well I think.
I want to see the story of the Golden Path on the big screen, but so much rides on what happens in the next movie
I somewhat feel Villeneuve already set up Alia as the savior meant to take over for Paul. She could rule after Paul decides to go into the desert with Chani and their children. Though it’s a happy ending to a tragic novel it would be a movie trilogy ending.
I grew up reading Herbert, Tolkien, and Jordan. I thought the Tolkien movies were fine. Never was my favorite story anyways, but the movies were good and close enough. Wheel of Time trashed the book world. It's a different story wearing the clothing of Jordan's work. Can barely stand it. Dune is great. The books, and these new movies. Yes, the changes are a little strange, but in the scope it doesn't destroy the story for me. Very much looking forward to more from these guys on the Dune story. It's great to see the Dune world on the big screen.
Another big change in the movie, Paul wasnt poisoned in the fight. He isnt blind.
Id love some feedback.. Some actors appeared in smaller roles in Dune 2 on the understanding that they will be more significant in Dune 3. A sort of early casting decision that Florence Pugh pretty much confirmed at the London Premiere.
What other stars introduced in Dune 2 will be in Dune 3? Florence and Anja are obvious but Im curious about Lea Seydoux to name just one...
I feel like they should add a little bit of material from the Children of Dune to the end of the upcoming Dune Messiah film in order to make the film more fleshed out, as well as many action sequences involving the holy war. He could even end the film with a final scene of an older Paul emerging from the desert as the "Preacher" during his tragic final days of life
Question, is there a book in the Dune series (the offical 6 books, or the followed books by herberts son) that actually go into how the holy war plays out? I've read Dune and saw some videos about Dune Messiah, but for the film trilogy i would say to compensate for the lack of action in dune messiah it would be interesting to actually include scenes from the holy war that follows during the 12 years after part 2. Messiah just skips 12 years if i understood that correctly?
Paul of Dune
I was hoping Paul and Chani would stay together, hopefully they'll reunite in Dune: Messiah
Chani looks very upset with Paul Muad'dib Atreides after she heard for what he said.!!
The way I see it, Dennis is doing what Peter Jackson had to do with Lord of the rings, because those who have read the lotr books will know how much is changed
Dune messiah really in my opinion should be an immediate if not partially immediate continuation. I think it should change most if not the all the chani poisoning plot, but keep her death during childbirth.I think the rest could maintain however I think add a few fight scenes for the casuals (they must still be thought of) and I think a fitting end could be Paul just walking off into the desert. I think it should be left at that.
Saw it today. It was Apocalypse Now meets The Two Towers. Paul is seduced by power and his mother is as controlling as any Reverend Mother. This is a film I will watch again this week and perhaps a third time, it was that incredible.
I think Dennis can now bet money he'll make a third Dune movie.
read the books years ago but if i remember correctly the path that paul took was supposed to be the least bloody
also house or blood lineages are through the fathers line matriarchal lineages are tributary to the patriarchal lineages
Dune Messiah might be a bigger challenge for Dennis Villeneuve to direct than the first two Dune films. It can be done and I have faith in Villeneuve but it's going to be extremely difficult to humanize Paul and make him relatable to a general audience. It would be like trying to make Genghis Khan a relatable human being.
I’m hoping he makes some big changes lol
What i don´t understand is why the great houses refused to accept paul as the new emperor, can someone explain?
I think he will continue to bypass a lot of the politics for the sake of a good movie experience, focusing more on the relationship between Shani and Paul. I think his decision to go full war is related to his fear of loosing her, you can see a vision where she dies in his arms and thats what is going to be the center on his motivations in part 3. that and the fear of the golden path.
I'm all for seeing Dune: The Holy War. We can get Messiah after that
Honestly I want to see him do Messiah then hopefully children of dune and god emperor of dune because at least with those books you get an ending to the story start by Paul and his son Leto II. It would be nice to see how the universe loss freedom of will due to clairvoyant emperors like Paul and given back Freedom of will by Leto when he chooses to die in God Emp of dune.
I hope they depict Farok bathing in the sea of Enfeil as his men men look on in wonder. It is my favorite passage in any Dune book. But then again they cut my two favorite scenes from the two movies, so I shouldn't get my hopes up.
What hook does that happen?
@@RobertK1993 Farok describes it to Scytale in one of the early chapters of Dune Messiah.
I don't think that was the timeline of Dune Messiah unless you think that she looked 15 not 30
I don't think they'll go right into Messiah I think they'll do the book Paul of Dune it does take place between Dune and Dune Messiah.
Please show the holy war pleaseeee!! Show the holy war, I want to see it sooo bad, need action. If you’re going to conclude the story, need more action please!!!
Guild introduced more fully, Tleilaxu ignored because Denis won’t want to introduce too many other factions.
I just want them to make it to God Emperor, I want to see the Tyrant in all his glory!
I want to see heretics and chapter house action packed and force someone to write an ending that is capable someone besides his son. I don't think Brandon Sanderson is good enough though he did get the idea of gem stones from the soothe stones
God Emperor will likely be a separate trilogy from another director. And I don't want anyone but DV to make these movies. When he's done, so should this film series
Short answer, depression. Long answer. Seeing Chani die and seeing a young Leto the 2nd will be painful knowing what fate belies him.
it's not WB who has a say if dune messiah is greenlit or not, it's LEGENDARY, I keep reminding people on twitter lol, WB is only distributing the movie and they paid for 25% of the budget, the IP is owned by legendary and they paid for everything else
I'm sure Warner Bros Pictures owns the IP now major studios always have clauses in contracts.
@@RobertK1993 no legendary owns it, the CEO made an interview today and even talked about a third movie
I just want to find out how they get off the worms. We know how they get on and ride them, how the hell do they get off?
They ride them till they tire out so they can get off them safely. From ehat i have heard
I saw Dune part two yesterday and while I was enthralled with the characters and the development of the story. The ending was like getting kicked in the stomach. I was a little hurt that Denis Villeneuve altered the source material; I'm hoping that it's in order to make a better Dune Messiah. But we see the consequences of the other great houses refusing to allow Paul to ascend to the throne. In effect setting in motion the Jihad at the hands of the Fremen.
I'm hopeful that Denis can navigate the source material and bring Dune Messiah closer to how the events of Messiah are more accurately portrayed.
The other thing that I'm seriously hoping for in Messiah is the reunion between Paul and Chani; the ending of Dune Part 2, left a lot hanging. Does Paul and Chani reconcile? How does the sisterhood adapt to losing control of their Kwisatz Haderach? Will the Jihad bring the Fremen to paradise? So many questions in Villeneuve's adaptation have been left hanging. Honestly, I'm praying that Denis can right the ship and bring the stories ending closer to the one that Frank Herbert truly wanted in the first place?
Spoiler Alert. I really hope they give Alia Atradies some major wins to make up for her moment being stolen. I'm confident that Anya Taylor-Joy will nail it as Alia. Also, we get Duncan Idaho back! 🎉🥳
Great review. I think Chani could already be pregnant.
That wouldn’t make sense unless this is Leto I but that kid is suppose to die.
How does Alia become ‘saint Alia of the knife’?
The prophet/Paul my brain always wondered if it was possible that the prophet laid other plans next to God emperor that he was unaware of like something in the future after chapter house a no planet or new fremen society out there with worms already on it many perhaps
Part 3 then Messiah
Is it me or would Ana de Armas been a great Chani? Take nothing away from Zendaya’s Chani, I enjoyed her character arc in Dune part 2 comparatively speaking from the books. The stakes are much higher now leading into Messiah, it’s a cinematic take of the core ideas of the literature tales we all come to love. Character building through motion pictures fundamentally has to be somewhat different than character building in novels. In addition this is fantastic that we are all discussing these possible outcomes, there’s no intrigue in knowing exactly what’s to come if it’s a straight adaptation from the novels.
i wonder whether he wil adapt messiah and children in one - like the miniseries. because, as a reader, i disagree that messiah is ”the end of paul`s story”. that comes in children of dune
The prophet my brain always wondered if it was possible that the prophet laid other plans next to God emperor that he was unaware of like something in the future after chapter house a no planet or new fremen society out there with worms already on it many perhaps
or... Chani is so pissed she becomes leader of Jakarutu lol.
i hope they change some of the outlandish stuff it must be believable
Arrival and Sicario had depressing endings but they were great movies. I’m sure Messiah will end up the same way.
Chani is going to go back to Spiderman
Who will take over the Harkenons if the Barron and his nephew are ded ?
The ending goes like this. Spider-Mans girl friend calls an uber
The great war against the bloodline
with this direction of Dennis..and people need to know this but Dune Messiah and Children of dune some of it were written during the writing of Dune..so Dennis should really change how Messiah goes and implement some of children of dune into which I can see happening. But with the way the adaptation of DUNE went I can see them having Alia as the main lead going forward and Paul dying instead of going blind into the desert and later on assassinated. I can see them have Alia have a growth change due to her exposure with the water of life and her early abomination abilities. I can see where Alia kills Paul or Paul takes his life due to what he has done with how Dennis sees it, it should be a very controversial movie where its going to create tons of debates. Paul killed his grandfather and not Alia..the Messiah will be "Alia" and not "Paul".
Loved the movie, but to be objective benchmarking impact of both masterpieces: Denis film is just an adaptation of the book, just as Lynch adaptation and Jodorowsky’s attempt… maybe just leaving room for a next generation of filmmakers to maybe nail it… or maybe not.
So spoiler, the book doesn’t end with Paul going into a Holy war, I know some people are saying it does and it’s some big heel turn for Paul but I didn’t see it that way, he definitely changed from taking the water of life but I think it was him being able to foresee more than others not that he was necessarily all bad or all good. So I’m curious how Dune Messiah the movie will go, I don’t remember it too well but it definitely didn’t start off with a holy war.
Dune messiah was a boring read and it occurs after paul have conquered the known galaxy, so villanueve can skip messiah and do a movie about paul conquests and end his trilogy with holy war movie.
@@jemzbundzdobo7310 I would much prefer that I stopped reading messiah after Paul went blind it just felt like a weird and odd direction for the story but I love the first book. TBH I’m perfectly fine with messiah taking a totally different direction and maybe sticking with some of the same themes
@@jemzbundzdobo7310it'd be weird for the movie to put so much emphasis on paul not being recognized as the emperor and having to fight the great houses for it, just to skip over it entirely in the next movie lol
Yea I would say when it comes to Paul’s character it’s not black and white or purely good or bad . Despite what people are saying This is not Star Wars , yes While Paul initially seeks to prevent such violence, his actions and the religious fervor surrounding him ultimately lead to the jihad. My opinion is Whether Paul can be considered a villain due to the consequences of the jihad is a matter of interpretation. In the books You can view him as tragic figure whose intentions were noble but whose actions had unintended and devastating consequences. Others may view him as morally culpable for the deaths caused by the jihad. Anyway Paul is a complex character not a Star Wars villain despite people trying to make him so.
Jessica is the villain in this movie imo. I know I’ll get flak for it but I liked part one more. Don’t get me wrong two was amazing
Keep in mind that in the books, from the time Paul joined the Fremen to the time that he deposed the Emperor, was around 4-5 years. Alia had already been born and was several years old. Part 2 make it look like it only took maybe 5-6 months. What BS.
How do explain the time gap in middle of a movie right in the middle non book readers 4-5 years be asking questions.
Dune part 2 was good , but i think Dune Part 1 was better !!!
it’s not part 2 it’s continuation of part one
Painted themselves into a corner with this version of Chani too…kinda messed up the next book/film.
Everyone who thinks Chani is coming back to be with Paul needs to watch the film again. It's OVER. She is now the anti-Paul character now. She will one day come to understand why Paul did what he did. But she'll never be with him again.
My theory about this divergence from the books is that THIS Paul has made an impossible choice. To give up Chani's love, in order save her from dying in childbirth, at the cost of losing her love for Paul.
This is why he is so sad and defeated. And why he has decided to take the water of life... TWO YEARS EARLY.
The key to this theory is Jamis. Unique to the films, Paul calls to Jamis for guidance, long after his death. Proving that the Paul we see can glimpse into splinters of time which have been completely closed off to his own timeline.
He also sees a future with Chani as his concubine. Which is Chani from the books. Where Paul stays with her in the desert for another two years before taking the water of life. But only after they had a child together, and then lost it. A Chani that would've become faithful to Paul as the Messiah. Radicalized by the death of her son to the Harkonnens.
He also has visions of Chani being burnt to death. He knows this is a no-win situation. And he reluctantly makes his choice to save her life.
We don't need copium to accept that Chani hates Paul now. Like us, this Paul has read the books too! That's what the movie is about.
And now part 3 is a mystery. But the golden path won't be as written.
She'll knowingly take the contraceptives that Irulan is feeding her to spite Paul. She'll reconcile with Paul on her deathbed as he decides to walk away into the desert and give up power. She repeatedly states that she's okay with Paul as long as he doesn't become the Messiah figure. This will be vindicated by the end of Messiah.
@@ethancoster1324Irulan isn't going to feed Chani contraceptives. Because THIS Chani isn't going to be Paul's concubine. She's done with Paul. It's over.
Chani is on a COMPLETELY different path now. The anti-Paul Freman figure. Her last words to Paul are "this isn't over yet!"
Meaning that she plans to expose him as a fraud. And plans to turn her people away from his leadership. The ending isn't just her leaving Paul. She's abandoning her people. Stilgar. Everyone who follows Paul. She is donezo.
It's over. Her timeline has completely splintered from the events of Dune Messiah.
@@ethancoster1324 Irulan won't give Chani contraceptives. Because she won't be his concubine. Because she's gone. She's the anti-Paul character now. Who will most likely become the leader of the Freman rebellion to fight Emperor Paul to keep their sacred desert dry in part 3.
She will come to understand one day, why Paul did what he did. But she won't be with him. That timeline has been sealed shut forever.
@@carpeimodiem Well then they'll be no Children of Dune and any following movies. Don't despair just yet. I can see them reconciling as she dies/Paul walks away.
@@ethancoster1324 DV isn't setting up Children of Dune or God Emperor of Dune. He's completing the Paul arc in three parts and that's it.
The studios prefer it this way. Now they can make whatever they want. HBO already is.
All they care about is a popular IP they can create infinite content for. DV set that up nicely for them by not strictly following the books. We'll see if The Sisterhood/The Prophecy keeps up with the hype.
And I'm not despairing. I think it's great!
Oh and reconciling as she dies doesn't allow the books to happen. She has to become his concubine for all the events to follow the books. They'd have to reconcile. THEN get pregnant. THEN give birth to the twins. And THEN she'd die.
Honestly didn't like Dune 2 compared to the first. The first felt very immersive, and weirdly the 2nd felt very rushed even though it was 2:45 hours..I would guess because the first Dune didnt cover that much of the book yet and saved it all for the 2nd? I didn’t really believe the relationship between Paul and Chani.. theres like two scenes total that show them liking each other… thats not enough character development for me to care about Chani being bummed out. The Baron is barely in the second one which was a bummer.. he was such a big deal for the first. And like where was Pauls super power in display? That he can tell you your past and future? I was hoping for something epic with his powers he acquired besides telling people to shut up.
nice video but denis wont make a new dune sadly
In other universe after the movie premier instead the game Helldivers they got an Atreides Holy War multiplayer game. Hundredths of thousands spreading jihad to all the planets of the great houses.
i think chaauni is already pregnant with twins ...
Leto the second is the most important character in the dune saga if there is no indication that he will be born or cant be born because of events that wont allowed it in this timeline then this whole saga is a wright off.
Chani is already pregnant imo.
messiah is the worst of the books, why would you skip 12 years of interesting story to tell a boring one with zero action and paul acting like a complete idiot, part 3 should take place soon after part 2 otherwise its going to be a snoozefest
Denis Villeneuve nailed dune. Absolutely brilliant. However, I think he should stop here. Dune, as a novel, is a masterpiece. Dune-Messiah as a novel is only okay. Children of Dune is better, but not amazing and God Emperor of Dune is just freaking weird.
Point is, the quality of the source material kind of plummets the farther into the novels you get. I think Denis should be proud of his monumental achievement, but leave the Dune universe now and move on to his next project. I just don’t see more Dune movies going well.
Dune Messiah could be a great movie but some details would need to be changed for the big screen to make it more cinematic
I agree, I don’t want to see Paul become evil.
Movie was heartless and basically looked like choreographed fight scenes trying to be WOW. Blowing up spice harvesters, lame scenes... Lame.
아니 소설책에 이미 내용 다 나와있고, 영화도 있는데 그걸 왜 처묻고있냐? 영화랑 소설책 내용 이야기하면 될텐데?
When Paul was learning about the Fremen in Dune
One , He learned that they are fierce fighters and cannot be trusted !!! She says it’s a Prophecy , he says it’s not a Prophecy !! It’s a story !!! She never liked his ways away !! I think this is why he will
Marry the emperor’s daughter and become The Emperor ✨He is no fool !!!Always a head of the GAME ✨✨✨✨✨🙌
She’s already pregnant.
That wouldn’t make any sense
@@di3486 why not
@@Tdruaepx if it’s Leto I, who is going to kill him? And it cannot be Leto II and Ghanima because she is supposed to not get pregnant for 12 years due to the contraceptives Irulan was administering her.
Dune just reminds me of the middle east and their Jihad against Nato. LOL
THERE IS NO ENDINGS,LOL,THERE ARE SIX BOOKS AND THEY WILL MILK IT TILL YA BURN OUT LIKE STAR WARS,LOL,BE PATIENT AND LET IT COME TO NET FLIX MUCH CHEAPER!!!!!!! Theses Will NEVER stop!!!!!!
Jessica, should of just had a female child. Geezz..
It's simply not as good as Lynch's version. The barron... un threatening, mild mannered, comes across as an office manager. The emperor is like a drunk grampa, no opulance or decedence... zero world building, bland set design its flat boring very bland dreary and dull. sure good cinema and cgi as youd expect from money being thrown at it. No spacing guild or Ix. As a huge Dune fan i have no immediate urge to ever watch it again. villeneuve is a great director, but he missed the mark on this adaptation.
Bro shut up get out of here I just saw the movie and that shi was a masterpiece I don’t say that lightly
no u@@bigsosa3819
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FEYD RAUTHA DID NOTHING WRONG
It will be woke.
Changing the ending is not a "slight change" it fundamentally changes the entire plot for dune messiah. Turning chani into a girl boss just because....ugh I'm so sick of this narrative
If it's the same director, I'm not interested.
These two movies did NOT tell the story well, they changed the ending YET AGAIN, and any sequel is not of any interest to me.
This was a poorly told and boring story, and I want my FIVE hours back.
It sucked. "Lets NUKE the spice FFS!" What? It's a PLANET WIDE thing ffs.
And WHY can't the "spice" just be frickin' BLUE like in the books? !!
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