@@MrFreezebook21 I don't think so. Did you see the last Harimoto vs Lebrun match? Felix got destroyed. Even if he has a better world ranking doesn't mean he IS better.
This is just one match. It means something, but not everything. TT viewers have this bad tendency to make conclusions about a player based on just one match. Remember Frankfurt? Lin yunju beat everyone including wcq. But how he performed this time around? If these results indicate anything, it’s that we now are in a time in TT when none of the top players can dominate every time. Everyone has a chance against every one. The rest of the world is slowly catching up to china’s level. It’s a good thing. It makes paris more exciting to look forward to.
Fan Zhendong got destroyed! Unbelievable!😮 Wang played with a very good tactic, to play multiple backhands with variety, and the last to Fan's forehand breaking his rhythim.💯🧠 Unexpected result!
FZD from the start just didn’t look like himself. By the fourth game he almost looked defeated or like he couldn’t play to the best of his ability. Wasn’t moving well. Not taking anything away from WCQ, I just think we got FZD at 60% today.
Fan was not in good health condition, he got a flu a week ago and not fully recovered, that's why he was pale and tired. Wang played very well honestly, but he used illegal services in a few key points which helped him even unbeatable. All these might destroyed Fan's interest in the last game.
@shirleynew3233 Yeah, I figured it had to be something like this. You never see him play that passively or almost give up. Even during the short time he was going through an adjustment on his equipment he would still easily get to the ball. This has to be extremely frustrating because you can prepare 7 or 8 hours a day for months and when the moment comes, something comes up you couldn’t have prepped for.
For a complex sport as table tennis, it's pretty pathetic to have commentators that can't add any sort of value to the match itself. No commentary on tactics whatsoever, just random mumbo jumbo. At least they should try and get a pro player as a guest commentator. But the current state of table tennis commentary is subpar. Bring a local pro player to commentate, like they did for 2021 WTT Worlds when they brought on Jimmy Butler, who provided valuable commentary insight during matches.
A not so quick comment on the tactics used in this game for anyone wondering how this could have happened to the world number one. Perhaps Fan was a bit ill, perhaps he was a bit out of form, but there is no denying that he also got completely outplayed. But, this doesnt mean Wang Chuqin has all of a sudden cemented himself as the new worlds best player. Fan will need to learn and adapt his style a bit, but I still believe he can stay on top for a few years longer (I do have a bias towards Fan, I love his playstyle). Now, for the tactics and mistakes that I noticed while studying this game. On Fan's end, I believe he is having to adjust to the new tendancy of players to rush the table, not give up much distance, and counter what looks like finishing shots. Fan is used to getting more passive, uncontrolled returns from his power loops, which allow him to finish the point. But he is getting that response less and less recently, and is struggling to adapt. His number one mistake in this match is placement. He just hit too many shots without thinking, looping straight into Wangs backhand and allowing him to block and counter as he pleased. Fans main tactic throughout his career has been power power power. Which brings me to Wangs tactic, which obviously worked way better. You can see throughout that Wang seems to be returning shots a bit slower than Fan, giving up a bit of distance from the table and spinning the ball a bit more rather than driving through like Fan loves to do. But by doing this, Wang Chuqin gives himself a fraction more time to react, to think, and to control the match. And he did so not just with power, not just with spin, and not just by targeting the wide corners and killing the ball at every chance. He did it by reading the spin and placing the ball strategically and purposefully, often straight into Fans elbow, forcing Fan to hit a more passive forehand. I honestly had a bit of a revelation from this, and I realized that no matter what tactic you employ, the general rule of thumb and the overarching goal of all these different playstyles and tactics in Table Tennis is to give yourself more TIME! Wang did this with his slightly slower, spinnier shots, and with his perfect placement that forces Fan to play a bit more passive, be that wide corners or the elbow, and just consistently catching Fan out of position. Fans tactic for giving himself more time is to pound the ball as hard as he can and hope the opponent misses the counter or blocks the ball passively, giving Fan time to pound the ball again. Harimoto makes time for himself by blocking a lot, and we also saw that from Waldner and Samsonov. Ma Long does something similar with his backhand as well, giving himself more time for the forehand kill. And choppers obviously make time for themselves by stepping far from the table and floating the ball over the net, although that is an outdated tactic nowadays. But, the more I thought about it, I realized that time is the key to the top players being able to stay on top. I just now realized this, and now I have a general rule and a way to rationalize why I might be losing certain matches. Maybe I could have said all this with less words, but the college writing word count requirement in me has forced my writing style to just blabber on and on. For the one person who makes it this far, thanks I guess. Heres to hoping that Fan can learn for this loss and continue on to win the Olympics!
Fan started well but some how lost the game plan.. Wang played short balls and prevented long rallies and controlled the game interesting strategy! nice match! 😊 Congrates Wang!
It's an eye-opening experience to observe how the Chinese players have dominated the WTT. The impressive ability to handle, the speed and reaction, and execute skill is remarkable.
Not satisfied with commentators want them to tell me the equipment the players are using Not satisfied with a camera angle, am i bird you are showing them from the birds hight
The commentators very likely don’t know the equipment but here’s 90% of the Chinese team: Blade: Viscaria Fh: Hurricane 3 Backhand: Hurricane 3 or Tenergy/Dignics
@@whatevereyewant Fan uses the Fan Zhendong ALC (not super, not ZLC, just regular ALC which is basically a fancy viscaria). Forehand is hard DHS Hurricane 3, and Backhand is Butterfly Dignics 09C. Wang Chuqin uses the DHS Long 5 national version, also called the DHS W968. Forehand and Backhand are DHS Hurricane 3, most likely a 42 degree on forehand and 37 degree on backhand, obviously boosted.
Realmente esse estilo de jogo do Wcq de fazer a recepção muito forte está quebrando os outros jogadores, um estilo de jogo para vencer seria como o de Waldner ou a Mima Ito , controlar o centro da mesa e fazer a recepção apenas com a força do oponente, mas são poucos que jogam assim.
not covering his middle very well this game, and has tactics game has been off lately. His placement just isnt very good lately. He is used to pounding the ball to the same spot and the opponent just getting overwhelmed and hitting it long. That isn't really working anymore, and Fan doesnt know what to do. Wang Chuqin on the other hand has the control and the tactics, with the spin and speeds to capitolize on it. Fan just needs to study this game and watch what Wang did against him, and lean from it. Target the elbow more, take control with the third ball better, control the ralley better not with power but with placement and consistancy.
I just saw Adam at my local club in South Florida! Completely unannounced, although they were having a pretty big event with some pro players who were taking up the corner of the club for a tournament. Super surprising to just see him out of the corner of my eye as they were taking down the equipment, casually playing with some other fans who recognized him. He said something about saving his voice which is why he wasnt even commentating the whole tournament they were having. Anyways, I assume that means he should be back and better than ever sometime soon!
@@alalalala2945 Right, he lost to his teammate. Show gratitude to the teammate for taking his place. That's what teamwork is all about. It's not about I win you lose.
如果你一直关注樊振东你就不会这么说，樊振东目前队内处境很差， 几乎是孤军奋战。在过去的一两年内经历了 七个月无比赛，换教练，封闭训练受伤，队内资源倾斜队友，舆论打压等。所以在他的微博上才有 we all live in the gutter but someone still looking for the star, 并引用了陈奕迅的孤勇者的 谁说站在光里的才是英雄。😭😭
@@bryanwells4063 wang improved no doubt his precision was outstanding but watch the match again fan is just weak, it's not the same like when fan conquered ma long
Wcq was on fire on this tournament ! Incredible ! He lost only one set…
If Felix didn't face wcq in pre quarters, he would have surely made till semis.
@@24ghosh24if he face harimoto is the same result
@@MrFreezebook21 I don't think so. Did you see the last Harimoto vs Lebrun match? Felix got destroyed. Even if he has a better world ranking doesn't mean he IS better.
YEAH.....AND VERY STRANGE CHIOPBLOCKS BY FZD.....NOT TYPICAL OF HIM.....
There was a common phenomenon, all his opponents couldn't handle his serves very well, it is interesting 🤔
This is just one match. It means something, but not everything. TT viewers have this bad tendency to make conclusions about a player based on just one match.
Remember Frankfurt? Lin yunju beat everyone including wcq. But how he performed this time around?
If these results indicate anything, it’s that we now are in a time in TT when none of the top players can dominate every time. Everyone has a chance against every one. The rest of the world is slowly catching up to china’s level.
It’s a good thing. It makes paris more exciting to look forward to.
Fan Zhendong got destroyed! Unbelievable!😮
Wang played with a very good tactic, to play multiple backhands with variety, and the last to Fan's forehand breaking his rhythim.💯🧠
Unexpected result!
Yall gotta give the respect to Wang. He’s a very precise and accurate player. He’s gonna overtake Fan
Never seen a world no. 1 lost 4-0 to someone 😮
"someone" - world no. 2 :)
Never say never, you just witnessed it
Shit happens. And WCQ is not just some European player, he's World no.2
Lost to LGY 4-0 just a few months ago
@@kenji2787few months ago? The records didn't show that, i think it was in 2019 Singapore diamond match and at that time Fan was not world no.1
FZD from the start just didn’t look like himself. By the fourth game he almost looked defeated or like he couldn’t play to the best of his ability. Wasn’t moving well. Not taking anything away from WCQ, I just think we got FZD at 60% today.
Yes, Not every day is a good day. .. At least not to lose to another team. China's dominance in the WTT, worldwide is due to that.
This just shows the transition away for FZD being no 1. It had to happen at some point.
WCQ did have couple of an hour or so more to rest after his SF match.
Fan was not in good health condition, he got a flu a week ago and not fully recovered, that's why he was pale and tired. Wang played very well honestly, but he used illegal services in a few key points which helped him even unbeatable. All these might destroyed Fan's interest in the last game.
@shirleynew3233 Yeah, I figured it had to be something like this. You never see him play that passively or almost give up. Even during the short time he was going through an adjustment on his equipment he would still easily get to the ball. This has to be extremely frustrating because you can prepare 7 or 8 hours a day for months and when the moment comes, something comes up you couldn’t have prepped for.
Crown 👑 the new number one. Big Head! 🇨🇳 🏆🏓
Wang Chuqin took Fan Zhendon to the cleaners in a mind blowing manner. Fan was completely clueless with no answers to Wang's firepower. Great game!
9:52 The cameraman enjoying his job :P
Wheres Bobrow? This Commentary is dreadful. These guys bareley talk about what's going on in the match.
Actually wang will best player for the future
Wang really suffocated FZD there, backhand was especially damaging.
We got the point about the mentality thanks 😅
The score line was 11-8, 11-9, 14-12 and 11-7. Despite the 4-0 score line, two of the four games could have gone either way.
WANG!We love you，just believe in yourself!!!
Happy ending 🏆🏆
For a complex sport as table tennis, it's pretty pathetic to have commentators that can't add any sort of value to the match itself. No commentary on tactics whatsoever, just random mumbo jumbo. At least they should try and get a pro player as a guest commentator. But the current state of table tennis commentary is subpar. Bring a local pro player to commentate, like they did for 2021 WTT Worlds when they brought on Jimmy Butler, who provided valuable commentary insight during matches.
王楚钦打疯了！看出了他对胜利的渴望 注定他们会是一生的宿敌！
Wrong!! Regardless of their win or loss, they should respect each other for their efforts of the team. Not every day is a good day
@@moreless2690I gree 😅
Ван, силён!!! Первая ракетка ничего не могла ему противопоставить.
A not so quick comment on the tactics used in this game for anyone wondering how this could have happened to the world number one. Perhaps Fan was a bit ill, perhaps he was a bit out of form, but there is no denying that he also got completely outplayed. But, this doesnt mean Wang Chuqin has all of a sudden cemented himself as the new worlds best player. Fan will need to learn and adapt his style a bit, but I still believe he can stay on top for a few years longer (I do have a bias towards Fan, I love his playstyle). Now, for the tactics and mistakes that I noticed while studying this game.
On Fan's end, I believe he is having to adjust to the new tendancy of players to rush the table, not give up much distance, and counter what looks like finishing shots. Fan is used to getting more passive, uncontrolled returns from his power loops, which allow him to finish the point. But he is getting that response less and less recently, and is struggling to adapt. His number one mistake in this match is placement. He just hit too many shots without thinking, looping straight into Wangs backhand and allowing him to block and counter as he pleased. Fans main tactic throughout his career has been power power power. Which brings me to Wangs tactic, which obviously worked way better.
You can see throughout that Wang seems to be returning shots a bit slower than Fan, giving up a bit of distance from the table and spinning the ball a bit more rather than driving through like Fan loves to do. But by doing this, Wang Chuqin gives himself a fraction more time to react, to think, and to control the match. And he did so not just with power, not just with spin, and not just by targeting the wide corners and killing the ball at every chance. He did it by reading the spin and placing the ball strategically and purposefully, often straight into Fans elbow, forcing Fan to hit a more passive forehand.
I honestly had a bit of a revelation from this, and I realized that no matter what tactic you employ, the general rule of thumb and the overarching goal of all these different playstyles and tactics in Table Tennis is to give yourself more TIME! Wang did this with his slightly slower, spinnier shots, and with his perfect placement that forces Fan to play a bit more passive, be that wide corners or the elbow, and just consistently catching Fan out of position. Fans tactic for giving himself more time is to pound the ball as hard as he can and hope the opponent misses the counter or blocks the ball passively, giving Fan time to pound the ball again. Harimoto makes time for himself by blocking a lot, and we also saw that from Waldner and Samsonov. Ma Long does something similar with his backhand as well, giving himself more time for the forehand kill. And choppers obviously make time for themselves by stepping far from the table and floating the ball over the net, although that is an outdated tactic nowadays. But, the more I thought about it, I realized that time is the key to the top players being able to stay on top. I just now realized this, and now I have a general rule and a way to rationalize why I might be losing certain matches. Maybe I could have said all this with less words, but the college writing word count requirement in me has forced my writing style to just blabber on and on. For the one person who makes it this far, thanks I guess. Heres to hoping that Fan can learn for this loss and continue on to win the Olympics!
4-0 but it was still close, people do not understand that...
🧂
Fan started well but some how lost the game plan.. Wang played short balls and prevented long rallies and controlled the game interesting strategy! nice match! 😊 Congrates Wang!
I still hope Fan will get the Olympics champions single to achieve grand slam.
The commentary rivals the horrendous camera angle
It's an eye-opening experience to observe how the Chinese players have dominated the WTT. The impressive ability to handle, the speed and reaction, and execute skill is remarkable.
Not satisfied with commentators want them to tell me the equipment the players are using
Not satisfied with a camera angle, am i bird you are showing them from the birds hight
I am also a bird and I agree with you
The commentators very likely don’t know the equipment but here’s 90% of the Chinese team:
Blade: Viscaria
Fh: Hurricane 3
Backhand: Hurricane 3 or Tenergy/Dignics
Google it. You will find it
@@whatevereyewant Fan uses the Fan Zhendong ALC (not super, not ZLC, just regular ALC which is basically a fancy viscaria). Forehand is hard DHS Hurricane 3, and Backhand is Butterfly Dignics 09C. Wang Chuqin uses the DHS Long 5 national version, also called the DHS W968. Forehand and Backhand are DHS Hurricane 3, most likely a 42 degree on forehand and 37 degree on backhand, obviously boosted.
Realmente esse estilo de jogo do Wcq de fazer a recepção muito forte está quebrando os outros jogadores, um estilo de jogo para vencer seria como o de Waldner ou a Mima Ito , controlar o centro da mesa e fazer a recepção apenas com a força do oponente, mas são poucos que jogam assim.
FZD is off track lately. Losing the edge in rally!! Not sure what happened. Go FZD go... Sad to see him lose.
not covering his middle very well this game, and has tactics game has been off lately. His placement just isnt very good lately. He is used to pounding the ball to the same spot and the opponent just getting overwhelmed and hitting it long. That isn't really working anymore, and Fan doesnt know what to do. Wang Chuqin on the other hand has the control and the tactics, with the spin and speeds to capitolize on it. Fan just needs to study this game and watch what Wang did against him, and lean from it. Target the elbow more, take control with the third ball better, control the ralley better not with power but with placement and consistancy.
The match is good, very tactical. But I miss Xu xin and the Japanese magician
Достойная смена в Китае. На шаг впереди Европы.
Fzd NEVER gets dominated like this.
I don’t think Fan Zhendong will achieve a gold medal in the Paris Okympics if he is in this condition right now.
Olympics*
Olympics is a other level.
true, and it worries me a lot because he is my favorite player currently
I like Fan Zhendong, but like honestly Wang Chuqin is unstoppable right now.
Wang is unbearable partly is because his serve, a few of them are in the grey area. Wish he make a clear win next time.
Can we get adam back?? Please? I can't stand these two yapping forever on nothing and over the points
I just saw Adam at my local club in South Florida! Completely unannounced, although they were having a pretty big event with some pro players who were taking up the corner of the club for a tournament. Super surprising to just see him out of the corner of my eye as they were taking down the equipment, casually playing with some other fans who recognized him. He said something about saving his voice which is why he wasnt even commentating the whole tournament they were having. Anyways, I assume that means he should be back and better than ever sometime soon!
王楚钦恭喜你🎉坚定自信继续往前走吧！
遮挡也有舔的？
@@naohgw 那你报警吧 酸🐔
王楚钦未来可期！
I am going to bet that if FZD's life was dependent on this match he would not lose it.
樊振东球风技術全面，但不够硬朗，大头技術也非常好，打法硬朗和凶狠，有马龙的影子，个人认為大头一定是冠軍，而且在末來也一定是世界第一😅
说的非常好👍我也有同感
你说的或许对，王的球技，作风都发挥的很好。 但是他的规则边缘发球，尤其关键分的遮挡都黯淡了冠军荣光
@@shirleynew3233只知道總決賽中被三次發球警告的都是樊振東。
@@mia-mm9bz 樊振东的发球警告是 台内发球，影响远远小于遮挡，而且坐在台侧的裁判容易发现。只要打过球的人都痛恨遮挡，因为这意味着你不能判断旋转，有可能接球直接丢分，或低质量接上台，被一板过，最好的结果是勉强抗过前三板，被动进入相持。樊振东相持堪称第一，但为什麽本次比赛中几乎五五开，部分原因是被动进入相持。发球遮挡或隐秘裁判因为视角不易发现，裁判没坐在球员对面。这也是乒联发球新规的原因。王实力很好，但不至于几乎零封世界前十六。在实力相近的高手之间，樊振东51%左右的发球得分很正常，而王的60-90% 发球胜率就太高了，而且是对多年打球的一众天才。当然我也认可王打得很好，樊技战术，状态欠佳。但王关键分灰色发球影响樊的心态，看看第四局。
@@shirleynew3233 關鍵分自己的發球都沒把握好，還扯什么被影響心態。讓他少看兩場足球 少回幾個娛樂圈明星 多訓練 比什麼都管用。
Bring old camera angle back
:) nice serve must say :)
Yes, Wang's serve nearly unbeatable 🤮🤮,no top players could received it well.
BIG HEAD WCQ 2:22 3:37 5:23 5:44
Ma Long lucky he didn't get to the finals. He would've get destroyed even harder LOL
Regardless of their win or loss, they should respect each other for their efforts of the team. Not every day is a good day
I think we’re seen enough of him got destroyed in the past year…
@@alalalala2945 Right, he lost to his teammate. Show gratitude to the teammate for taking his place. That's what teamwork is all about. It's not about I win you lose.
💪
Poor fan zendong 😅
No, you are poor. The nation's sense of patriotism is greater than one individual. "Teamwork makes the dream work"
I understand Fan Zhendong got injured after the Asian cup last year. He has not been at his best since then. Hopefully he will recover soon!
Wcq played perfectly but Fan was not there this time
New olympic champion ???
side view to watch a table tennis match is the worst view
Wang serves over end of table
Yes, there were a few illegal services during this match from Wang, if you watch closely. it is unfair to his opponent.
Fan hasn’t played as usual lately. Perhaps a slump?
it's me or Fan doesn't seem to be in very good shape at the moment ? I think he's quite pale.
3:31
Hiding serve, unfair 🤬
Actually yaa how is this been fair why is fan not complaining😮@@shirleynew3233
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Calderano is coming
Партия сказала слить)
樊振东最近打球各种失误莫明其妙！似乎自己和队里也无所谓！这种状况已有一段时间，但并没看到有做什么去改进！难道真的是有人说的那样为了赚钱而不得不用不适合自己的底板？
Indeed, The nation's sense of patriotism is greater than one individual. China today is a reflection of that.
刚刚下单买的樊振东al c😂
如果你一直关注樊振东你就不会这么说，樊振东目前队内处境很差， 几乎是孤军奋战。在过去的一两年内经历了 七个月无比赛，换教练，封闭训练受伤，队内资源倾斜队友，舆论打压等。所以在他的微博上才有 we all live in the gutter but someone still looking for the star, 并引用了陈奕迅的孤勇者的 谁说站在光里的才是英雄。😭😭
@@shirleynew3233 他前幾个冠軍ban掉馬龍拿的，是提都不提啊?所有人捧著他可笑的自尊心，升國旗的亞錦亞運都沒有大合照，他贏的話可是連小小的一个球挑都要合照的呢? 別人一年放養沒有主管教練，你也是提都不提啊? 別賣慘了，愈賣愈慘😊😊
@@mia-mm9bz 我看球也有几年了，关于休斯顿世乒赛若我们都公平看待前因后果，你就不会是这麽偏激的结论。据我所知，1 樊振东早已拥有门票，世一+直通。所以樊振东没夺马龙门票。2。马龙门票给了王楚钦，王没有门票，教练组有机动权，周启豪是黑马，林梁是直通。3马龙王楚钦同属北京队不可能同时机动给两张。结果樊振东连赢三外协，三队友，决赛对外协夺得冠军。马龙没去怪不得樊振东，是教练组ban，直接得利的也不是他。 休斯顿樊振东状态极好，其他人也不白给，马龙来也不一定稳赢。我承认马龙没去可能使樊振东夺冠概率大点，但一切都是假设，马龙也可能会输。所以不要把ban马龙，归于樊振东，也没必要无聊的搬山论，数据说话，樊振东是本世纪承担国乒一单最多之人，做扛起了大旗。
terrible camera angle!!!! what are you doing WTT??????
Watching fan zhengdong loose like this is irritating to watch tbvh, it weakened my spirit for the sport
I think it is the opposite, Wang played incredibly and learning from what he did this match has been very enlightening for me.
@@bryanwells4063 wang improved no doubt his precision was outstanding but watch the match again fan is just weak, it's not the same like when fan conquered ma long
Cara pra tagarelar putz
SPOILER BLOCKER
Anti climax finals. Yawn.
樊振东技术上没什么优势，手感又差失误多，唯一优点正手好点，不知道以前怎么赢的王楚钦。以后樊都很难再赢王了。两块世锦赛金牌，成就算比他师傅王皓高一点点吧。。。
一盘的输赢倒在其次。就是觉得樊振东打球技术正规但没有灵气
樊振东四年世界排名第一，十年世界排名前五，公认的天才。 输赢都光明正大不，只是现世王遮功大成，谁能与之争锋？这次王几乎零封所有世界最优秀选手，发球得分率超过60%，邱党竟高达90%，这怎么打？
Wang is serving on the table. Is that legal?
You jsut need to hit the ball behind the table so his serve is totally legal
Yes, but Wang the champion hitting his service on the table.
@@arturasrybakas3812 Could you provide an exact time frame in this video, showing WCQ indisputably serves the ball on the table?
3:39 point 6:5 , wang hiding serve.
there is way more rules for service, I think his serve is legal but it is very close. He almost hides the ball behind his body.@@utopsia9484
也許精彩，但就是少了什麼味道
同意。缺了许昕和马龙打球的味道
半遮挡发球第一版就结束，还有什么观赏性
@@shirleynew3233那樊振東自己的發球為什么也拿不到分啊?對拉也沒拉過呢
WCQ= king of illegal services!
Fan so weak