and it was pointed out the leader is jjy like it's not? he's a part of it, yes but the mastermind of everything is seungri from big bang. given how big the case is and how disgusting the way it was handled I thought everyone knows the perpetrators by now
Exactly. Seungri fans really out there saying the Burning Sun crime is a controversy or drama. There are VICTIMS! Seungri and a bunch of his low life friends are ARRESTED. The fact that they are still live their life normally is beyond disgusting.
No cause it boils my blood hearing Korean netizens saying 'foreigners are more sensitive to these problems' like wasn't the Burning Sun scandal a huge issue in KOREA? What about YOUR PEOPLE in YOUR OWN COUNTRY, nonetheless the idols FROM KOREA who suffered because of it? Crazy.
It’s true though ! That foreigners are more sensitive in the issue than Koreans generally and lawfully . Yes it was a big issue in Korea but nothing has changed the one who have been caught was just a small fry and received just a slap in the wrist and they are all out of prison now .
Why do people take Korean netizens so seriously, atp I am convinced those are just internet trolls, because no sane person will ever say things like these.
Sadly from what I understood, SK is so much more "forgiven" to sexual attacks/rape than to weed and alcohol....When you see for example the difference between Hyuna scandal and Suga with the scooter...
I think she’s fine with it lmao. She’s set for life anyway. Like her bf or not she’ll definitely marry him and probably fall pregnant in the next year or so
Unfortunately HyunA career is seemingly over, she has ruined her good reputation and lost the support of the majority of her fans, it will be hard for her to come back from this, so she will not be as successful again as she once was
Dislike her for choosing this time out of all the men out there but she can change her mind about marriage whenever she wants. It’s her life and just because she didn’t feel ready at that moment and with that person back then, doesn’t me she can’t feel ready now. As I said, I understand that she is disliked because of the guy but stop hating her because it didn’t work out with Dawn or because she changes her opinions like every other human being out there.
She threw her career down the drain. She very well knew what she did and still chose to date him. Even if she breaks up now, there’s no way her career will recover.
Its not just something we can look over. Hes literally admitted to knowing about a disgusting crime. Her feminist image means nothing if shes gonna leave dawn just for some scumbag. For me its deserved and she clearly sees no issue throwing her career out the window.
From what I’ve seen people think that he’s manipulating her and lying to her about his involvement which is a possibility while some people say that he never did anything but was simply guilty by association bc he knew what was happening which he admitted. I honestly don’t care, but you’re right, hope it’s all worth it for her, if this love is real I wish her the best. But her career will never be the same and yk she probably deserves it anyway
WHAT FEMINIST IMAGE STOP IT PLEASE she’s not a feminist icon, she was forced since she was a child to do sexy concept. And I’m disgusted of you and all people (especially women) that screams female solidarity and than if a woman fall in love with a problematic man the first thought you have is “let’s cancel her” wow y’all sure are showing solidarity with women congratulation!!!
How can you say it's deserve, she literally don't know you exist, you maybe in third world country or don't know, hyuna still live better life than you losers 😂
@@lunarialoonaticI thought at the start that maybe he’s manipulating her. But it’s everywhere, and she says she knows what people are saying and what’s going on, but still chooses to do it. At this point even the marriage announcement feels like a stunt to show that they dgaf, but it’s not going well
She never had a feminist image, if you look online she’s literally never said anything feminist or took a stance on anything, unless you think sexual music/image = feminism ….
“Foreigners are more sensitive to these problems”? Knetz are only sensitive to their faves gaining weight or dating. Why is it only international fans that take issue with violence against women and other actual crimes?
The country still has lax laws on pr3dators and a story I learned more about, have continued to blame someone that was a child of their own SA by a group of older males.
The bigger the ring, the more insecurities there are in the relationship. Dawn was a nice guy but it was clear for a long time that he was more into Hyuna than she was into him.
@@yenyen4114 Yeah but it seems like he was more like an accessory/arm candy to her. Dawn was the more serious one in the relationship. Dude's got a good heart -- he seriously wanted to commit to her.
I don’t think Dawn unfollowed hyuna because he was bitter she was getting married it’s because who she was marrying. I understand why he wouldn’t want anything to do with the scandal
Plus like, he was madly in love with her for years, why is he required to see her posts on his feed after they broke up? It's normal to want to stop seeing that even after a cordial breakup
They are not wrong tbh, I've never seen such biased insensitive folks before, my respect for their culture decreases every time I see such people's stereotypes
They held a nationwide hate campaign for a 16-year-old who got written up by her school for swearing at some actual bullies in her middleschool who were s3xually harassing her friends. Yet this is "oh you're so sensitive". FOH with that
Honestly! Boiling it down to "hidden camera footage" and "un-consensual filming" is insane when these women were drugged and raped, then posted and further verbally abused in this chatroom. Really lost a lot of respect for this channel after this one.
@@mogwai247and it's not even a scandal, a crime. a huge crime happened, but the women, the victims had to live through what they suffered like nothing happened while the perpetrators got away, released from jail, and are still trying to open up the same type of club. this channel is a coward to not name the head of burning sun but instead jjy so let me put it here, it's seungri from bigbang. I'm disgusted.
@@blahblahblahblah729That's the government, tho. Even democratic governments aren't all that responsive to citizen's will. Politicians care more about covering for the rich than anything. A lot of people in Korea are getting pretty fed up with the multiple cases unequal justice.
In a country that has very lax laws on predation? Yes. General populace will still blame a victim that’s a child that they seduced an adult. So yeah, they don’t care as much if really at all. The country also has laws on defamation that are stupid as well that play into these things too
SK and Japan culture are generaly don't really care about SA and mysoginistic. Victim blaming is very strong. You got SA-ed? It's your fault for being too sexy - type of situation most of the time.
I always supported Hyuna throughout all the hate she always got. But I have to admit... Hyuna's judgment in regards to this guy is disappointing. Kind of scary that a woman would want to be with a guy like that. I hope she knows what she's doing. Edit: people who commented thinking I said I supported Hyuna's relationship with this guy, please learn to read properly. I have never supported her relationship with this guy. Why are you kpop fans so aggressively stupid? Learn. To. Read. 👏🏽
Happens more often than you think. I just hope it’s worth it to her. From what I’ve seen people think that he’s manipulating her and lying to her about his involvement which is a possibility while some people say that he never did anything but was simply guilty by association bc he knew what was happening which he admitted. I honestly don’t care, but you’re right, hope it’s all worth it for her, if this love is real I wish her the best.
Happens more often than you think. I just hope it’s worth it to her. From what I’ve seen people think that he’s manipulating her and lying to her about his involvement which is a possibility while some people say that he never did anything but was simply guilty by association bc he knew what was happening which he admitted. I honestly don’t care, but you’re right, hope it’s all worth it for her, if this love is real I wish her the best.
@@Nnsjdndks He has admitted to receiving and watching a sexually explicit video of a girl that was recorded and shared without her consent, and admitted to knowing that it wasn't consented. And failing to report this crime (of recording and sharing). In any country that actually takes sexual abuse seriously, he would have been charged with failure to report a crime and of being complicit, but as we know, South Korea isn't known for being harsh on sex offenders.
He's not a criminal though. Teh only thing he's guilty of is not reporting what his friend was doing. He didn't participate. I'm afraid you can't get jailed for inaction in such a case. Sounds to me like everyone in the comments has no idea what he was actually accused of.
@@Godnofreeids People don't care, one day someone said that he was a criminal and everyone picked up on it, people like to bully, they don't need a reason and they won't figure out who the real criminal is and what Jonghyun is guilty of, they just like to hate.
@@Godnofreeids yep he is not a criminal but obviously not a good person, if he sees the vid and think "it's not a big deal" when the vid show how women getting drugged, rap*d and film non consent, yeah that guy is a bad news.
@@batata4427sounds like they’re referencing him also leaving/getting kicked out of Pentagon/Cube. That was a huge sacrifice, Pentagon was on the rise at the time.
@@faeri_ Yeah that was their peak too! Both him and Pentagon got robbed. After he left, I barely heard Pentagon. He was the attention grabber of the group too with his unique voice and charisma.
She shows NO REMORSE from the people HE HURT. Saying that as long as she’s happy basically EXCUSES every disgusting actions he’s done. That is unbelievable and selfish.
She wasn’t involved. It’s one thing to express remorse for the victims and have your own thoughts on The Burning Sun crime/scandal but the interviewer asked about her partner. They are not synonymous. She answered with consideration of her partner and respect of their relationship. Far from selfish tbh.
He was in a horrible scandal (crime to be more appropriate) includes SA and R ape and all kind of disgusting stuff, he went to prison for a while but you know southkorea@@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout
i need you to put a huge emphasis on the fact that it was VIDEOS OF WOMEN BEING RAPED SOMETIMES EVEN GANG RAPED. Disappointing how it seems it was downplayed
Yes, but the only video YJH saw wasn't that type (all the actions in the video were with the consent of the girl, what’s disgusting is that the girl didn’t know that she was being filmed. Videos that you describe were in a chat group, but he wasn't in that chat. Not gonna defend him, but still facts are facts.
@@LanaVaselall these backlash on these two are too much. Like holy sht he wasn’t convicted of committing any of those disgusting acts. The criminals are free and hiding but also trying to come back into the industry. Smh
@@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout Yeah, all that hate are unnecessary, at least hate towards Hyuna, hating a woman on a man’s crime -sounds misogynist for me. I wanted to believe that Junghyun learned a lesson and never did mistake like this in the future, being a bystander and all that.
@@LanaVasel yeah he admitted he was wrong for not doing anything and was already investigated and dismissed. These haters acting like he’s a criminal and shtting on hyuna. I get feeling bad for dawn but they broke up on a good note. these haters shouldn’t act like these two were convicted criminals. This energy should be targeted at the criminals who are now roaming free trying to open another club, hitting on girls, opening a restaurant in another country, getting back into the industry etc. I’m worried for hyunas mental health and I’ll be p*ssed at these people if she offs herself…
Hyuna lead me into KPOP with her song BABE. One of the reasons that made me to unstan Hyuna 2 years ago is a lack of her signature spark. She was so sassy and energetic on stage, then suddenly lost all her charisma on stage. I know about her illnes, and I still remember supportive comments on her SNS, some people suggested her to take a break or do less performances. A lot of fans speculated that considering her experience in the industry, Hyuna should drop her diva lifestyle and become kpop talent producer, directing concepts for idols and idol groups. She already influenced GIDLE a lot, why not continue her career in a more discreet, but profitable and secure way? But it seems to this day, that she wants to keep going, even if it means living by her old fame, performing old songs and popping up in news only when she's involved in controversy. It's honestly sad to see.
I've been into Hyuna since she debuted with 4minute. She has always been immature. But that worked for her because she was young and it fit her music style. Now that she has been in the industry for so long, people expect her to be more mature and to make smarter decisions. As in, they expect her stage persona to be different from her actual personality, and for her to change that as needed. I don't think she is capable of that. She is doing what she has always done, and now it is leading her into a downward spiral. Personally, I'm surprised something like this didn't happen when she first had her health scare years ago. She made a poor choice in dating someone and that's what is destroying her career, but it could have been some other choice. This was her trajectory for a long time. All I'm hoping is that she doesn't end up really sick or unaliving herself. She needs real help, like a therapist.
before handling gidle concept, i remember she successfully handling CLC concept from cutesy - innocent girlgroup to girlcrush - badass type of group. hobgoblin was played everywhere and became news for weeks if i'm not mistaken
His music is great!!! He is super talented, charismatic, he is a great singer and dancer. He writes his own songs. And apart from that, he also seems to be a really kind and genuine guy. He really deserves better ❤😔
He litteraly dated her for his career, not for love or something, he said he left the industry, but when she posted about their relationship, he decided to come back just a few minutes later, it’s like a Britney Spears & Justin Timberlake situation, he will later dump her and accuse her of something to get attention and promotion
@@ontoLovingMyselfright like go after the fuckin men who actually committed the crimes 🤦🏽♀️ she wasn’t the one filming , assaulting , covering up what was happening.
She's always seemed addicted to chaos but in a fun way. Now it seems Dawn was too boring so she went for someone extra chaotic... well, she flew too close to the sun this time.
Huh, that's a take I haven't seen before. Now that you say it out loud, it kinda makes sense. I don't have enough info on her private life to fully confirm or refute it though, and I don't want any more info on her private life so
Your partner of choice is a great representation of who you are if you choose to stay with them after knowing how terrible they are. “Yeah, he unalived about 100 million people but I’m ignoring it because I want to prioritize my happiness”. - probably the wives of dictators
I assume a lot of them are the “I can fix them!” type. Or will try saying that their partners have changed. Sure, it’s been 5 years since TBSS and you can argue that YJH has changed, but even then we as outsiders have not seen anything to support that. Besides, it’s still not wise to make the relationship public when it should be obvious how said public would react. And Hyuna hasn’t bothered to defend YJH himself, she just defends the relationship. Whatever the case-whether he’s changed or not, whether they truly love each other or not, whether it’s a healthy relationship or not-she handled this about as well as a toddler handling a bomb.
@@lumini3172 Also considering that half of her fans are a fan of her and dawn and not her alone. Them seeing her with someone after kinda ruining Dawn image (he looks skinny and unhealthy while they are still dating and after ngl) is part of her down fall especially because the fans knew that she didn't wanna get married to him yet chose to want to marry a new man in less than 1 year. If it had been a normal person people will likely accept it but she chose a person related to TBSS. Honestly disgust me so much, she even has feminist image before all that.
i would say it wasn't wasted if hyuna didnt go out of her way to date her old friend / ex fling and a literal burning sun enabler/ accomplice and then deciding to marry him. it just feels so shitty no wonder dawn deleted images of them together. wishing the best for him.
He even wrote songs about her after the break up saying she was his light and still praising her. She then goes to the same agency Dawn is signed to (why??), starts dating this jerk involved in the burning sun scandal, says she doesn’t care and only cares about her own happiness and now they are getting married (when she wasn’t ready to marry Dawn). What a fucking joke. Dawn deserves so much better. I would be so hurt if I was him
@kimihime9901 so joke I never understood she did not go to marry him, but you go the some label again. just went to show her happiness to him for no reason. The guy that never hurt her it weird and cruel
Nobody forced HyunA to date someone who was involved in one of the most horrific scandals in all of K-Pop. She wasn’t being held hostage by him or anyone related to him. It’s not like she wasn’t aware of what his role was in that scandal because if she had common sense, she would’ve left his ass the moment she found out about it. She knew exactly what she was getting into when she chose to date him. Also, nobody forced her to ruin another idol’s career through ditching him after he pretty much gave most of his life to her.
And where did that lead him? Straight to the dumpster. He needs to be made an example for people. This is what happens when you give your life to someone who cares nothing about you. Sacrificing your career just to be with some h*3.
People defending her need to understand that K-pop isn’t everything, and K-pop idols aren’t all sweet and innocent like fans want them to be. They are people, and like people, they do horrible stuff sometimes (although celebrities do worst stuff than the average criminal), and just like everyone else, we need to recognize that it’s bad
Honestly I don’t listen to this woman nor do I know much about her but to crucify her for the actions of her man is too much , they’re not having this same energy towards the men who actually did the crimes only going after a woman.
You clearly have not actually looked into anything then because the men have been crucified. This man can't go anywhere without people sitting there saying shit to him about how he could have prevented things he's been denied service at places and shit like that like this is something that has been talking about. Like he's not escaping it the other men who are part of it it was so bad they fled the fucking country none of them even live in South Korea anymore because that's how much they've been ostracized and blacklisted. People are mad at her because she did not need to sit there go ahead and decide to date him not only that but. Every interview that she has done if you seen clips of it around she does nothing to talk about how people should be happy for her. How they are so happy together she doesn't say shit about the fact that you know your man could have prevented most of this from happening when he received those pictures and videos he could have literally sat there and turned his friend in it would have definitely put them on a watch list at the very leastif it didn't start an investigation cuz mind you at this point they had already started drugging women and taking advantage of them. They just had it created the club burning Sun yet the club was in a thing until like a year and a half after he had received those messages which he replied to laughing and saying vile things about women in those messages he wasn't trying to defend those women he wasn't trying to tell his friend you shouldn't be taking videos and pictures without consent he said none of that he sat there and laughed along with him. It feels like she's getting more backlash because she's still a public figure he is it. On top of that is because people who have been fans of hers for years myself included have picked up on the fact that she has this habit of playing the victim even when she decided to announce mind you she decided on her own didn't tell her company or her boyfriend to announce that her and Dawn were dating. They have been in a relationship for at least a year and a half or 2 years at that point in time the company was well aware of it but he had also only just stayed you not too long ago. They had no problem with them dating as long as they didn't announce it yet because his career wasn't solid yet hers had 10 years behind it. She almost ruined his entire career because he wasn't going to get signed to p Nation she told them she refused to sign with the company if they didn't sign her boyfriend. Which meant that they didn't want him in the first place and you could tell by the music that they had him come out with with them and how they barely promoted his ass they didn't want him they wanted her he just happened to be a burden. not to mention it doesn't help that for years that had always been rumors that she was obsessed with the man that she's now engaged to and the only reason she dated Dawn is because they had similarities when it came to certain parts of their personality. Meaning that there's a possibility that if there's any truth to that rumor she basically used that poor younger man who also happened to be her subordinate in the industry for 6 years. As she waited for the person she actually wanted to be with to be available. On top of that this man isn't Morrisville whatsoever none of them are but he isn't because people are still fans of his sadly and he does have a paid for service in Japan that is similar to bubble. Where he sat there and talked to them about the announcement which mind you he also had no clue his girlfriend was announcing that they were dating. which he apologized to his fans for and then proceeded to sit there and say that he wished that the things that happened aka the scandal of him not sitting there and turning his friend in didn't happen because it made his life and his fans life so hard not that he felt remorseful or bad about the fact that he could have helped prevent this shit or the fact that he aided in all of those women being taken advantage of know he was being sad and feeling bad because it ruined his career and it ruined his fans experience. @@STAYATINYARMYSIN
@@STAYATINYARMYSIN they did have the same energy tho?? What are u talking about, he and everyone else who were involved, were basically shunned by everyone when it first came out
@@0_02_p6 the man was blamed, he was shunned by everyone. You wanna talk about her being a women??? Her entire image is girl power and being a feminist, this is a slap in the face to the victims. One of the victims in the scandal was her own friend who helped expose these men, and now she’s dating one of them. So don’t use her gender as an excuse to not be called out, it’s weird
I used to support Hyuna so much, as an international fan, her sexy and badass attitude were so different from what the idols image was supposed to be back then, and she gave a refreshing air with her music and dancing. It's just sad to see one of my fav idols lose grace in such a manner, and for such indignant matters. She is a woman, she got fans who are girls too, so I can't wrap around my head how she could date someone who disregards violence towards women... it's just sad and disappointing tbh. Though I come to understand that SA and violence towards women in Korea is such a swept-under-the-rug issue, that usually ends up in impunity, for a first world country their laws are so outdated and just straight up horrible, she as a woman, shouldn't disregard such things as well, that's how you become part of the problem as well. I, personally, am done supporting such a person who "doesn't care" about such important matters. WOMEN SHOULD SUPPORT WOMEN AND STAND UP ONE FOR EACH OTHER COS NO ONE ELSE WILL💪
No he is not. i think Choi Jong-hoon was quilty, cause he was her close friend and also a part of the Chat and the main rapist, Hara helped convince him to confess. Also the most guilty in her death is her ex-boyfriend Choi Jong Beom who was officially found guilty and is obliged to pay money to Hara's family.
Interesting how quickly things can turn on a feminist icon who’s songs like ping pong, nabilera, I’m not cool and even a collab with psy and more were loved by kpop and because of her decision she’s practically ended her career. You get what you get
WHAT FEMINIST IMAGE STOP IT PLEASE she’s not a feminist icon, she was forced since she was a child to do sexy concept. And I’m disgusted of you and all people (especially women) that screams female solidarity and than if a woman fall in love with a problematic man the first thought you have is “let’s cancel her” wow y’all sure are showing solidarity with women congratulation!!!
Meanwhile male k-idols who were actually involved in the crimes, like Seungri, still have a fan base, the balls to open new clubs/restaurants, and parade in the spotlight like nothing happened. Even Chris Wu was still active and uncancelled while his victims struggled for years to bring him down. Hyuna announced her relationship to a bystander of a crime and people react like she served the victims to the perpetrators. Im tired of the double standard. Genuinely can’t blame her for her “idgaf” attitude. Caring as a woman in her industry will stick you 6 ft under.
@@MsAdams1053 unfortunately as long as we have kpop we have double standards. The industry despite what we want it to be(comebacks, promotions, collabs, cool choreography, trends, nice idols) is really built on toxic fanbases, rumors, double standards, payola, lies, hate and crimes. Some examples Btss fandom are hated in the western world cause of how much they love bts and get labeled toxic that’s how the west knows of bts Yg was given 6 months parole but is now taking pics with CL Jisoo is praised for dating, Jennie hated for it double standards KATSEYE on Netflix and GMA within 2 months of their debut, payola without it kpop won’t be Yg claimed 2NE1 wasn’t gonna disband and they did but are now back, lies kept people upset and instantly joyful once they got what they wanted Suili has lost her life cause of people hating on her and now we wish she was back. hate Seurngi does horrible things noticed by bbc. They post about it and kpop is known because of crimes. This industry will chew you up and spit you out I read somewhere and for as long as time we can never change rhat 😢. No hate to any artist I mentioned btw except seurngi.
International fans are ‘sensitive’ to these issues?! We are not sensitive, we are disgusted, it’s not the same thing. Don’t make it seem like we’re hysterical and over-reacting.
@@likhwezititus1-read again. we're talking about the k-netz comments. they are saying that us international fans are sensitive when we are not at all. this involves their OWN people and the women living there but we're the only ones worried? yeah bcs they give no fucks. it's Korea, they never gave an actual fuck about SA and Ràpe cases 2- "international fans never really care about controversies unless law is involved" what is your point again? why shouldn't WE be concerned? it's a huge case that involved multiple women SAed, rAped, filmed without their consent. the victims are living through their lives with trauma. you need to word well before speaking.
I don't understand south korea sometimes. Look, my country also patriarchal, yet most men here at least have enough moral to think that sex scandal and hurting women is disgusting.
International fans are "more sensitive" to these issues because they have a backbone and raise their voices against wrongdoings. SK could learn a thing or two instead of turning a blind eye and/or giving a slap on the wrist to perpetrators.
I feel bad for dawn the love of his life not wanting to marry him yet but when she got with that guy and now they are getting married, dawn deserves better ( edit - he also left he’s group for hyuna which is really sad)
Exactly. I would be devastated!! I truly hope he is well, taking care of himself and finds true love with someone who truly cares about him. I feel so sad when watching the mv of his song “Heart”, you can see how hurt he was after the break up and now so much more stuff happened
Im sorry but she really thought people were just going to let this whole situation slide😭 it's one thing that some fans get mad when idols date a normal person but she literally dated a criminal and played dawn and one of her friends like hello😭😭😭
@@jungkookspurplehair So it's okay for him to be involved in the burning sun because he's not a feminist? Or are you just saying that because he's a man and you're mysogynistic. Zico is still successful, well loved, and LITERALLY collabed with one of the biggest idols which is Jennie. Yet somehow Hyuna, the woman who isn't even related to the scandal is shamed and dragged to hell? Y'all are just being sexist and we can clearly see how you guys hold women on to higher standards.
@@jungkookspurplehair So that justifies and excuses his involvement in the scandal? Because he's not a feminist? Jeez, y'all would rather cancel a woman who wasn't even involved in the scandal than someone who was, that's just embarrassing.
I find it weird that people talk about her not marrying Dawn as part of the reason they are mad; she has no obligation to want to marry him versus the guy she's with now. I will say I still do not like her because she's in a relationship with someone who did some downright criminal things, but that has nothing and will never have anything to do with her decision to marry this guy instead of Dawn. She can change her mind about marriage regardless of how long she and Dawn were together. The continuing bringing up Dawn is missing the real problem of what is happening. I feel like if your first thought is, “why did she leave Dawn for this guy?” instead of what it should be, “Why is she with this guy he’s awful?” you have to reevaluate how invested you are in these idols' lives. This is not drama this is serious.
Excellent comment. Sometimes people are compatible short-term but not long term. It could be something as simple and non-negotiable as "I want kids and they don't"/vice-versa. You can't compromise on having children, you either have them or you don't, and that's one of the questions you have to ask when you're getting married.
The thing is, she said she broke up with dawn because she wasn't ready for marriage even after years of dating. But now with this new man, she announces marriage in less than a year?? She's inconsistent
@@whatismyadjectiveiconfused She might not have been ready to marry anyone back then? It's possible that she was already falling out of love at that point? Or it's possible she rejected the marriage proposal out of fear/insecurity/the implied idea that she should start having a family soon after, but later on, once everything ended with Dawn, realized that she did enjoy the idea of getting married after all, just not with Dawn specifically. That's okay and doesn't inherently make her a bad person. She doesn't owe Dawn anything as there is no proof that she wasn't serious about their relationship as long as it lasted.
@@luskaneseprince I will agree if she didn't indirectly ruin Dawn's future as rookie back then. Pentagon is on the rise but got unnoticed the moment Dawn got kicked out. Hyuna might be fine since she already developed strong fanbase and a veteran but how about Dawn? Even later on he only had been known as Hyuna's bf instead of his own. Even if anyone support them back then, I quietly disagree and flustered at how selfish Hyuna could be. But I decided to support their relationship since Dawn's obviously so in love with her and I want to respect it and prayed for his happiness. Well it aged like milk now
I agree, Pnation changed her into a half of a couple, psy promoted dawn amd her merely as a couple, and when they broke up both of them lost relevance. Bad management
As I heard Cube kicked them out. Pnation kinda saved them ngl coz altho they become the talk of the town for good reason they still made a bad image by being kicked out of the company. Kinda agree with bad management tho, they are mostly promoted as a couple.
It was what kept them in the news in their interim, but you're right that they needed more effort put into creating distinct images and separating their release times. Although, when you're a couple with similar creative directions you may just want to do a song together like Ping Pong. At some level, it's unavoidable that a popular couple will be less popular individually or people will be sad when they break up and actively un-stan.
I like Dawn. He's a good singer. I'm not really his fan. But I like his music. I used to be a fan of Hyuna and I'm ashamed. I always thought they broke up cuz of Hyuna. But I just didn't like her anymore after their breakup. And I felt really good about my decision after I saw her dating a criminal. She played Dawn. She didn't want to start a family with him but now she wants to with a criminal? She maybe found her IDEAL match. Someone on her level. I hope Dawn finds someone who'll love him like he deserves. Their dating rumor really ruined Dawn's career. Meanwhile, she never really suffered that much. She was always more famous than Dawn. He was the one who suffered, while Hyuna enjoyed her fame. She's just a selfish person.
Same here. And now, seeing how the things were when their relationship was discovered, I have the feeling that Hyuna pressured Dawn to assume that their were dating and she didn't even considered if he wanted that or not (but, of course, it's my speculation)
Same 👍🏾 i’m a former K-pop fan Hyuna was one of the first i started listening too back then when she started i got over her long time ago i listened to Dawn a little bit i was kind of a fan of him in Pentagon i feel sorry for him tbh he deserves better ❤️
She totally ruined herself I also liked her for her straightforward behaviour but she forgot that bcz of these fans she become successful and if she not going to have any fans then her career is ruined but fans should have support her it's too much I don't know what going to happen to her she is looking sick bcz she is also human so should had a big impact of hate comments its really a big dream for idols to become singer bcz of her not caring about people's she is done
I heard that dawn even left his group to be with hyunA, but she broke up with him for a guy from the burning sun scandal..dude that is so messed up. She’s going to have to have to apologize
@@jackiescookies598 her not keeping anything a secret really ruin her career now coz she didn't tell her current company about her dating someone and publicly announced it. Unfortunately for them, fans are not taking his controversy lightly.
When you lose most if not all your fan sites (made and maintained by the most hardcore fans) it’s pretty obvious that you don’t have a real following anymore. Why are people so baffled that concerts are being cancelled? And why on earth did she think, she could go on unbothered and people were still going to follow her around. That must have been quite the wake up call. That your fans have been sticking out for you over the years, even through all your controversies are now turning their backs. She probably thought this would blow over naturally. It’s good that she found love that suits her, but people don’t have to abide by it, nor respect it.
I was happy I was not able to buy tickets. I wouldn’t even try to resell had I got them. She wants to be with a bum, it’s her business. She’s a whole ass adult and can lay in the bed she made
As far as I know when Junghyun recived that video he asked if the woman concented to be filmed and that bastard said yes. Then it's when Junghyun made some inappropriate comments and moved on
I don’t wanna jump into conclusions but i personally think hyuna may have been unfaithful to dawn because this makes no sense because she wasn’t ready to marry a man from a 6 year relationship but now she is ready to marry a man she only knew for a couple months? I speculate that Dawn didn’t want her public image to get even more ruined so they came up with these excuses. Again this is just my theory I’m not saying THIS happened.
Not to defend hyuna but they knew each other for many years, did collabs and we’re known to be friends. She just started publicly dating him not long ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if she held a torch for him for a while though
I think she's just tired at this point, she wants to settle with her "chosen" partner and is willing to risk it all. Also the fact that she FULLY acknowledges both the scandal and the chain reaction effect of it, and then decides to ignore them really says a lot about her personality. If she tries to ignore us, then we have the right to do it too. She had her run, it's time to hang up the mic (hope she spends her time building herself to be a "normal" person)
I think her lack of good music is the main problem. When she was in cube she had hits. Then it was a steady decline to whatever it is she's doing right now. If you have good music that's the focus. If you don't, your personal life becomes the focus. But her taste in men is horrible.
Her last release under pnation is nabillera, not im not cool. Even nabillera failed to become a strong hit, so its normal that Q&A, produced by a way smaller company, failed to become a well known songs, though attitude as an album sold a lot of copies for her standars
I have to disagree…everyone around me,including myself stopped supporting her because of her man. There is many idols who have openly stood up to the unfairness of the burning sun scandal and she’s openly ok with it. It’s gross
About the stage performance, I tend to lean on her physical condition. But really, her decision certainly generate backlash and she needs to be prepared. Ofc it's entirely on her about her personal relationship, but living in this world as human. Even for people not to her caliber, some decision in our life will eventually affect others'. Especially after such a huge issue
All I can say is I hope she’s happy. I don’t really care about her or her music/life. But she did it to herself. Hope this love is real. Maybe this guy changed and he really is just guilty by association or she’ll find out in three years what a mistake she made. Either way it’s too late but she’s set for life anyway
Genuine question, too late for what exactly? You said yourself maybe she thinks in three years it was a mistake. Yeah like people can change their opinions. Too late for what? A career? As if that wouldn't be feasible? Assuming, for example everything turns out like people want, she divorces him, she sees what mistakes she made, maybe she even talks about how manipulative people like your loved ones can be and so on and so on. You think she can never have a career after that? Or refers your 'too late' to something different because genuine question because career wise she still has options. Maybe not in the spotlight but options in the media industry.
She has been in the industry for so long to not know that this is going to be your downfall, even if you don't care what people think this is the one you should care if you don't want to end you career. You shouldn't even date someone like him, is she not scared of being filmed without her knowing.
Its so hard to have an opinion bc celebrities are seen as role models and should act accordingly and do good things but at the end of the day theyre humans and they make mistakes. We fans sometimes will never know the full truth of things that happen there is peer pressure presure from the company or even pressure from themselves. But its very uncomfortable to see fans trying to control these idols and celebrities lives. Like either support their music or dont but you have no right to tell them how to live their life
Regardless of her scandal, I hope there won’t be any cyberbullying from the knetz, I don’t want the same case that happened to Sulli nor Goo Hara to happen again
Hyuna had been the face of women's empowerment for quite some time in South Korea so her choice of a man who didn't report the video of the the unsuspecting young women and commenting shows poor judgement. It was like a hypocritical punch in the face to all her fans and everything she stood for. Celebrities often get a sense of I can do no wrong and my fans will always be with me and take them for granted. She has pushed the boundaries for years and it has always worked in her favor, but this time she just pushed her fans too far. As far as the North American tour goes, those of us in North America, aren't even buying tickets for North American artists due to the economics. However, there are many other Kpop groups we would rather spend our hard earned money on. Hyuna hasn't really put out much music or changed her style to warrant a sold out concert truth be told.
Stop spinning stuff. YJH was not directly involved with anything that happened with BS... Get your facts straight, stop lying, and go read all the actual court and police documents and statements. He opened 1 video that he didn't know what it contained and then commented on it. Nothing more. The only thing you can get mad at him for is maybe for not beating up JJY, I guess, to try and maybe convince him that sending it out to people was wrong (the woman in the video consented to being touched, and to it being filmed, but NOT to it being spread), because it certainly was not going to be handled by the police, since they wouldn't even do anything about it when JJY's ex reported him for FAR more serious crimes. I'm not a fan of YJH's either, but its not ok for you all just to keep lying about him in order to just stir up hate and animosity. Go direct that energy to the culptits who were actually doing the real awful things in this case, instead of the female fiancee of one of the bystanders.
@@Sugas_Girr Watching abuse against women being commited and NOT REPORTING IT, is NOT a simple mistake. He didn't need to confront him or beat him up, don't be dumb and obtuse. He could just have taken this evidence and gone to the police. Everyone knows men are taken much more seriously when they call out things like this, and coming from a famous person like him would have hold much more weight. What he did cannot be forgiven. It is said that it was CLEAR in the video that the girl didn't know she was being recorded. He SAW it, made comments, and DIDN'T report. He's a grown ass man and you shouldn't be here defending someone that deserves nothing but to be shunned. HyunA is someone that has been the face of female empowerment in South Korea for YEARS. And for YEARS she accepted it, and profited off her image of a female baddass that confronted SK standards for women. She deservers for people to stop supporting her fake image, as it is clear that it was only a way for her to make money, and that she isn't what she portraits her to be. A girl was violated, and she's dating a man who saw that, humiliated the girl in text and then proceeded to do nothing. He could very well have done what Goo Hara did, but instead he remained silent. Goes to show how much he and his supposed "feminist" fiancee care about women.
@@blahblahblahblah729 There was NO abuse against any women in the video he watched! Who's being dumb and obtuse???!!! 😂😂😂 Get your facts straight and stop lying!!! 🙄
@@HobanProduction It was filmed WITH consent, but she had not specifically consented to JJY sharing it with YJH. So, yes, what JJY did by sharing it is awful and a complete violation of her privacy 100%, but you can not really say from YJH's side, that YJH was "watching abuse", especially when it was a completely unsolicited video, that he had no idea of what it even contained when he received it, and when viewing it, what was filmed did not actually contain any crime (not explicit s acts, not s a, and not even hidden filming).
And by the way, I'm not defending anybody here. I'm just saying to stop lying and making false statements. The facts are bad enough as they are, you don't need to exaggerate them and try to embellish the stories to make them sound even worse than they already are. Just state the truth and real facts, not your made up version to try and rile people up and incite more hate and animosity, in a desperate need for you to seek attention and likes on a false post.
I don't condone her dating this guy but even then you can have empathy with her? The amount of hate she receives can spiral down in the same results other idols ended their lives. You don't want her complain because 'it is her own fault'. She married someone people don't agree on but please that doesn't mean she can't complain over the hate she gets. 'It's her own fault' is such a narrow minded thinking.
I’ve loved Hyuna since 4minute and definitely have nostalgia for her. Look at it this way. She fell in love and stood up for that and was punished by cube (major overreaction in my opinion). She moved on, supported her partner, and struggle with P Nation that would not let her show her full potential. She then falls in love again and yes it’s controversial but we have 0 details of their personal lives and only have knowledge through media. I am not saying that burning sun was not horrifying and they should absolutely all pay, but we have no clue as to their personal lives. As for Dawn, if she didn’t want to marry him and fell in love with someone else, that is better than her marrying him for fans only. Finally, your happiness should not go above her own. It’s her life and she should be happy and not just make herself miserable so her fans are happy. She is literally doing her best as the world falls apart around her. Man fans are entitled these days.
@kookielit I wish there was a way to private message on RUclips, and a way to give emotion through text so as not to misunderstand. I have some advice/ a recommendation, but don't want you to take it the wrong way. I have seen a couple of your videos where you have mispronounced idol's names. I understand maybe Korean isn't your first language, or that maybe you don't speak it at all. But if you're going to have a channel focused solely on Korean news, I think it is important that you research how to pronounce their names. It is common curtesy to try to learn people's names, and in some cases, you may cause confusion between different artists who's names are actually pronounced that way. For example, "Sooyun/Suyoon" There can be someone with the name 수윤 (Su-yoon) or 수연 (Su-y-uh-n). Hyuna is pronounced "H-yuh-na" short "u" sound. This is just a suggestion. No hate, just constructive criticism. Please don't misinterpret or take as hate.
I genuinely wouldve streamed Q&A nonstop if it werent for the dating scandal I think its good. If it werent for that i also think the spng wouldve done much better internationally i can see the song trending on tiktok.
Here's her wedding guest list: Seungri, Jung Jun young, Choi Jong hoon😂😂😂😂 might as well add rapper SanE even tho he's not related to Burning Sun because he belongs to the same crowd🤮
I'm genuinely so confused on WHY she would do this...and WHY she doesn't care. Like I only recently found out about the burning sun crime and omg. How could she just ignore all that and still date this man?? I'm a feminist myself and I could NEVERRRR date a man who engaged in a sex trafficking ring. Like that's disgusting. I hope Hyuna leaves him eventually... I really hope she apologizes too. This is so disappointing. Like... Not Hyuna.. 😞
the general consensus among knets seem to be that they're more disappointed than mad at Hyuna. Like a friend who devolved into an idiot who shamelessly defends her shitty boyfriend, and also having no consideration for her fellow idol ex bf. Which makes sense because she was really such a beloved idol
As someone who used to follow her and enjoy her songs, i unsubscribed & unfollowed her BECAUSE she started dating him. "Foreigners are more sensitive to this topics" AND SO SHOULD YOU! In fact I'm quite surprised why the netizens aren't sensitive enough about SA AND R@PE. When BS wasn't even a controversy but a straight up crime.
6:39 This is a tangent from the main topic, but I saw TripleS on their US tour. I had a great time, but unfortunately only about half of the venue was filled (and the venue capacity was only around 1,500). That meant my friend and I got to move closer to the stage, but it was sad to see. Modhaus really should have worked to popularize the group to the Western market more before sending them on an international tour. But in Hyuna's case, she could have filled a much larger venue but she chose to ruin her career by dating a man involved with Burning Sun. I had been a fan of hers since 2010 but with what has come to light there was no way I was going to continue supporting her.
As a very old and loyal fan of hers, this has been the most upsetting and frustrating kpop scandal ever. I just wish things had gone differently for her and all the supporters she had
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I wouldn't call burning sun a controversy, it was a crime.
THIS.
and it was pointed out the leader is jjy like it's not? he's a part of it, yes but the mastermind of everything is seungri from big bang. given how big the case is and how disgusting the way it was handled I thought everyone knows the perpetrators by now
Exactly. Seungri fans really out there saying the Burning Sun crime is a controversy or drama. There are VICTIMS! Seungri and a bunch of his low life friends are ARRESTED. The fact that they are still live their life normally is beyond disgusting.
Crime and controvery lmao
YES pleeaaassse people need to STOP calling that a controversy
No cause it boils my blood hearing Korean netizens saying 'foreigners are more sensitive to these problems' like wasn't the Burning Sun scandal a huge issue in KOREA? What about YOUR PEOPLE in YOUR OWN COUNTRY, nonetheless the idols FROM KOREA who suffered because of it? Crazy.
It’s true though ! That foreigners are more sensitive in the issue than Koreans generally and lawfully . Yes it was a big issue in Korea but nothing has changed the one who have been caught was just a small fry and received just a slap in the wrist and they are all out of prison now .
@oran_berry I completely agree
Literally!!
Why do people take Korean netizens so seriously, atp I am convinced those are just internet trolls, because no sane person will ever say things like these.
Sadly from what I understood, SK is so much more "forgiven" to sexual attacks/rape than to weed and alcohol....When you see for example the difference between Hyuna scandal and Suga with the scooter...
She made a decision , she has to live with it
Amen
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YES!
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I think she’s fine with it lmao. She’s set for life anyway. Like her bf or not she’ll definitely marry him and probably fall pregnant in the next year or so
Unfortunately HyunA career is seemingly over, she has ruined her good reputation and lost the support of the majority of her fans, it will be hard for her to come back from this, so she will not be as successful again as she once was
they only reason why she got more hate was because she used to be poplar
I agree
It’s her doing. If she wants to be with a guy just let her ig 🤷♀️she’s set for life anyway but she’ll be marrying this guy so
And most importantly she lost a good man
But , why do you care. You have already pathetic life, she doesn't know exist
Hyuna not feeling ready for marriage with Dawn but suddenly ready to tie the knot with Junhyung is giving 500 Days of Summer 😭
And so quickly
Summer did nothing wrong in 500 days of summer. The main character projected his fantasies onto her, she owed him nothing.
Dislike her for choosing this time out of all the men out there but she can change her mind about marriage whenever she wants. It’s her life and just because she didn’t feel ready at that moment and with that person back then, doesn’t me she can’t feel ready now. As I said, I understand that she is disliked because of the guy but stop hating her because it didn’t work out with Dawn or because she changes her opinions like every other human being out there.
@@sugasinfireration5863 💯💯💯💯💯
@@Juniparrrthey weren’t best friends tho
She threw her career down the drain. She very well knew what she did and still chose to date him. Even if she breaks up now, there’s no way her career will recover.
Come on man, how can you judge her life sitting in a basement. Hahaha, come out in real life 😂
@@riteshshrestha6066???
@@riteshshrestha6066 She’s dating someone who watched unconscious women getting raped, we have every right to judge the relationship.
@@riteshshrestha6066 are you incapable of coherent thought
@@riteshshrestha6066 I’m doing this in real life, get out from under your rock
Its not just something we can look over. Hes literally admitted to knowing about a disgusting crime. Her feminist image means nothing if shes gonna leave dawn just for some scumbag. For me its deserved and she clearly sees no issue throwing her career out the window.
From what I’ve seen people think that he’s manipulating her and lying to her about his involvement which is a possibility while some people say that he never did anything but was simply guilty by association bc he knew what was happening which he admitted. I honestly don’t care, but you’re right, hope it’s all worth it for her, if this love is real I wish her the best. But her career will never be the same and yk she probably deserves it anyway
WHAT FEMINIST IMAGE STOP IT PLEASE she’s not a feminist icon, she was forced since she was a child to do sexy concept. And I’m disgusted of you and all people (especially women) that screams female solidarity and than if a woman fall in love with a problematic man the first thought you have is “let’s cancel her” wow y’all sure are showing solidarity with women congratulation!!!
How can you say it's deserve, she literally don't know you exist, you maybe in third world country or don't know, hyuna still live better life than you losers 😂
@@lunarialoonaticI thought at the start that maybe he’s manipulating her. But it’s everywhere, and she says she knows what people are saying and what’s going on, but still chooses to do it. At this point even the marriage announcement feels like a stunt to show that they dgaf, but it’s not going well
She never had a feminist image, if you look online she’s literally never said anything feminist or took a stance on anything, unless you think sexual music/image = feminism ….
“Foreigners are more sensitive to these problems”? Knetz are only sensitive to their faves gaining weight or dating. Why is it only international fans that take issue with violence against women and other actual crimes?
The silence in her shows is proof that it isn't "just foreigners"
The country still has lax laws on pr3dators and a story I learned more about, have continued to blame someone that was a child of their own SA by a group of older males.
Exactly
@@blahblahblahblah729right the original commenter seems so sanctimonious
It just means we are more serious
I do think its a translation thing
I just saw a video of HyunA doing a concert, and everyone was dead silent 😭
Yikes 😬
Oop
I saw that as well I felt second hand embarrassment it seems like the Koreans in 5he. Comment section didn’t like her
But why people even went to her concert? To be silent hmm?
@@mizimashi_artit was a festival so they couldve bought tickets for other artists
Dawn even spent SO MUCH MONEY on their engagement rings for what? This? Poor Dawn.. HyunA never deserved such a nice guy.
He was getting ready to go to the army too
He lost money who know if he ok
The bigger the ring, the more insecurities there are in the relationship.
Dawn was a nice guy but it was clear for a long time that he was more into Hyuna than she was into him.
HyunA is going to regret it later and I hope Dawn finds love by then.
@@maywalker997 hyuna was literally the one who made the first move to dawn as per their interviews
@@yenyen4114 Yeah but it seems like he was more like an accessory/arm candy to her. Dawn was the more serious one in the relationship. Dude's got a good heart -- he seriously wanted to commit to her.
I don’t think Dawn unfollowed hyuna because he was bitter she was getting married it’s because who she was marrying. I understand why he wouldn’t want anything to do with the scandal
Plus like, he was madly in love with her for years, why is he required to see her posts on his feed after they broke up? It's normal to want to stop seeing that even after a cordial breakup
knetz calling international fans sensitive made me chuckle.
Well it’s true though ! If that ‘burning sun scandal ‘ happened in US the perpetrators would get more than 5 years ..
They are not wrong tbh, I've never seen such biased insensitive folks before, my respect for their culture decreases every time I see such people's stereotypes
@@ontoLovingMyselfnah bro knets get so pissy over their favourite idols dating, smoking, and just existing in general. theyre hypocrites to the max
@@vronjiExactly!! They care more about idol's weights and dating rumours than literal crimes and we are the sensitive ones... smh
They held a nationwide hate campaign for a 16-year-old who got written up by her school for swearing at some actual bullies in her middleschool who were s3xually harassing her friends. Yet this is "oh you're so sensitive". FOH with that
The burning sun scandal is way worse than this video makes it to be.
Honestly! Boiling it down to "hidden camera footage" and "un-consensual filming" is insane when these women were drugged and raped, then posted and further verbally abused in this chatroom. Really lost a lot of respect for this channel after this one.
@@mogwai247and it's not even a scandal, a crime. a huge crime happened, but the women, the victims had to live through what they suffered like nothing happened while the perpetrators got away, released from jail, and are still trying to open up the same type of club. this channel is a coward to not name the head of burning sun but instead jjy so let me put it here, it's seungri from bigbang. I'm disgusted.
The Burning Sun crime*
"Foreigners are more sensitive to theese topics"? So, Koreans arent bothered by SA all that much?? 😅
I mean, you can still get a reduced sentence for commiting crimes if you're drunk... You can't really expect much from a country like this
@@blahblahblahblah729That's the government, tho. Even democratic governments aren't all that responsive to citizen's will. Politicians care more about covering for the rich than anything. A lot of people in Korea are getting pretty fed up with the multiple cases unequal justice.
In a country that has very lax laws on predation? Yes. General populace will still blame a victim that’s a child that they seduced an adult. So yeah, they don’t care as much if really at all. The country also has laws on defamation that are stupid as well that play into these things too
SK and Japan culture are generaly don't really care about SA and mysoginistic.
Victim blaming is very strong. You got SA-ed? It's your fault for being too sexy - type of situation most of the time.
Ngl, meaning how it’s very common over there probably not
I always supported Hyuna throughout all the hate she always got. But I have to admit... Hyuna's judgment in regards to this guy is disappointing. Kind of scary that a woman would want to be with a guy like that. I hope she knows what she's doing. Edit: people who commented thinking I said I supported Hyuna's relationship with this guy, please learn to read properly. I have never supported her relationship with this guy. Why are you kpop fans so aggressively stupid? Learn. To. Read. 👏🏽
Happens more often than you think. I just hope it’s worth it to her. From what I’ve seen people think that he’s manipulating her and lying to her about his involvement which is a possibility while some people say that he never did anything but was simply guilty by association bc he knew what was happening which he admitted. I honestly don’t care, but you’re right, hope it’s all worth it for her, if this love is real I wish her the best.
Happens more often than you think. I just hope it’s worth it to her. From what I’ve seen people think that he’s manipulating her and lying to her about his involvement which is a possibility while some people say that he never did anything but was simply guilty by association bc he knew what was happening which he admitted. I honestly don’t care, but you’re right, hope it’s all worth it for her, if this love is real I wish her the best.
@@lunarialoonatic he did what?
@@Nnsjdndks He has admitted to receiving and watching a sexually explicit video of a girl that was recorded and shared without her consent, and admitted to knowing that it wasn't consented. And failing to report this crime (of recording and sharing). In any country that actually takes sexual abuse seriously, he would have been charged with failure to report a crime and of being complicit, but as we know, South Korea isn't known for being harsh on sex offenders.
Obviously she knows what she's doing. She deserves this "hate". It's not hate, it's people holding her accountable for a bad moral judgement she made.
building a "feminist" image and dating a burning sun scandal dude is just too much, yikes.
I felt it was more of a rebellious image. Feminism just happened to align with that.
Its like she sabotaged herself
Her fans just found out she's not who she acts like. Dating a literal criminal? I'd say it'd be concerning if she doesn't go down.
He's not a criminal though. Teh only thing he's guilty of is not reporting what his friend was doing. He didn't participate. I'm afraid you can't get jailed for inaction in such a case.
Sounds to me like everyone in the comments has no idea what he was actually accused of.
@@Godnofreeids People don't care, one day someone said that he was a criminal and everyone picked up on it, people like to bully, they don't need a reason and they won't figure out who the real criminal is and what Jonghyun is guilty of, they just like to hate.
@@Godnofreeids yep he is not a criminal but obviously not a good person, if he sees the vid and think "it's not a big deal" when the vid show how women getting drugged, rap*d and film non consent, yeah that guy is a bad news.
I feel sorry for Dawn, goes to show you can't sacrifice your life for love
Don't, he dodged a bullet lmao
@@batata4427sounds like they’re referencing him also leaving/getting kicked out of Pentagon/Cube. That was a huge sacrifice, Pentagon was on the rise at the time.
Saw his vlog, he looks so thin now. I hope he is getting help, he deserve a way happier life.
@@faeri_ Yeah that was their peak too! Both him and Pentagon got robbed. After he left, I barely heard Pentagon. He was the attention grabber of the group too with his unique voice and charisma.
I don't think it was necessarily his entire fault. Wasn't Hyuna the one who disclosed their relationship first?
"more sensitive to these problems" YOU MEAN CRIMES??
She shows NO REMORSE from the people HE HURT. Saying that as long as she’s happy basically EXCUSES every disgusting actions he’s done. That is unbelievable and selfish.
Who did he hurt?
Right?! Like what do you mean her happiness is more important than the trauma those women still hold from being SA'ed as MINORS
She wasn’t involved. It’s one thing to express remorse for the victims and have your own thoughts on The Burning Sun crime/scandal but the interviewer asked about her partner. They are not synonymous. She answered with consideration of her partner and respect of their relationship. Far from selfish tbh.
He was in a horrible scandal (crime to be more appropriate) includes SA and R ape and all kind of disgusting stuff, he went to prison for a while but you know southkorea@@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout
i need you to put a huge emphasis on the fact that it was VIDEOS OF WOMEN BEING RAPED SOMETIMES EVEN GANG RAPED. Disappointing how it seems it was downplayed
Yes, but the only video YJH saw wasn't that type (all the actions in the video were with the consent of the girl, what’s disgusting is that the girl didn’t know that she was being filmed. Videos that you describe were in a chat group, but he wasn't in that chat. Not gonna defend him, but still facts are facts.
@@LanaVaselall these backlash on these two are too much. Like holy sht he wasn’t convicted of committing any of those disgusting acts. The criminals are free and hiding but also trying to come back into the industry. Smh
@@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout Yeah, all that hate are unnecessary, at least hate towards Hyuna, hating a woman on a man’s crime -sounds misogynist for me. I wanted to believe that Junghyun learned a lesson and never did mistake like this in the future, being a bystander and all that.
@@LanaVasel yeah he admitted he was wrong for not doing anything and was already investigated and dismissed. These haters acting like he’s a criminal and shtting on hyuna. I get feeling bad for dawn but they broke up on a good note. these haters shouldn’t act like these two were convicted criminals. This energy should be targeted at the criminals who are now roaming free trying to open another club, hitting on girls, opening a restaurant in another country, getting back into the industry etc. I’m worried for hyunas mental health and I’ll be p*ssed at these people if she offs herself…
@@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout Totally agree 🩷
I feel so utterly bad for dawn bro so hyuna deserves this and will probs never come back from this im tbh disappointed
Whoever has a worse life after a breakup was most likely the problem, in this case unfortunately, Hyuna
Honestly, I actually feel great for Dawn. He dogded a fucking nuclear bomb.
@@TabeaSerenety issa joke😬
Actually, Dawn would probably be better without her
@@elizabethgrinningson7730 i def agree I’m just saying i feel bad that he lit left his whole group to be with this women for nothing
HyunA 2021: I’m not cool 😎🎶🎶🎸
HyunA 2024: I’m not cool 😔💍💒
Bruh, you just took me out
Lol nothing that surprising. She got old.
Hyuna lead me into KPOP with her song BABE. One of the reasons that made me to unstan Hyuna 2 years ago is a lack of her signature spark. She was so sassy and energetic on stage, then suddenly lost all her charisma on stage. I know about her illnes, and I still remember supportive comments on her SNS, some people suggested her to take a break or do less performances. A lot of fans speculated that considering her experience in the industry, Hyuna should drop her diva lifestyle and become kpop talent producer, directing concepts for idols and idol groups. She already influenced GIDLE a lot, why not continue her career in a more discreet, but profitable and secure way? But it seems to this day, that she wants to keep going, even if it means living by her old fame, performing old songs and popping up in news only when she's involved in controversy. It's honestly sad to see.
I've been into Hyuna since she debuted with 4minute. She has always been immature. But that worked for her because she was young and it fit her music style. Now that she has been in the industry for so long, people expect her to be more mature and to make smarter decisions. As in, they expect her stage persona to be different from her actual personality, and for her to change that as needed. I don't think she is capable of that. She is doing what she has always done, and now it is leading her into a downward spiral. Personally, I'm surprised something like this didn't happen when she first had her health scare years ago. She made a poor choice in dating someone and that's what is destroying her career, but it could have been some other choice. This was her trajectory for a long time. All I'm hoping is that she doesn't end up really sick or unaliving herself. She needs real help, like a therapist.
before handling gidle concept, i remember she successfully handling CLC concept from cutesy - innocent girlgroup to girlcrush - badass type of group. hobgoblin was played everywhere and became news for weeks if i'm not mistaken
@@chocojellys thiss
Anyway, make sure to stream Dawn’s music and support him ❤️
Yesss❤
His music is great!!! He is super talented, charismatic, he is a great singer and dancer. He writes his own songs. And apart from that, he also seems to be a really kind and genuine guy. He really deserves better ❤😔
For real! It gives the weeknd vibe with meaningful lyrics
He litteraly dated her for his career, not for love or something, he said he left the industry, but when she posted about their relationship, he decided to come back just a few minutes later, it’s like a Britney Spears & Justin Timberlake situation, he will later dump her and accuse her of something to get attention and promotion
Good point. Exactly.
Proof? Also, her dating a criminal doesn't justify the situation 💀
@@ontoLovingMyselfright like go after the fuckin men who actually committed the crimes 🤦🏽♀️ she wasn’t the one filming , assaulting , covering up what was happening.
@@STAYATINYARMYSINstill very pick me as hell to date someone who’s involved in men SAing women. Stop defending her just because she’s pretty
I am thinking this too! They probably thought they will get away with it coz she is Hyuna but the public is not liking them at all LOL
I never understood people shooting themselves in the foot more than once lol
She's always seemed addicted to chaos but in a fun way. Now it seems Dawn was too boring so she went for someone extra chaotic... well, she flew too close to the sun this time.
yeah its a burning sun
Huh, that's a take I haven't seen before. Now that you say it out loud, it kinda makes sense. I don't have enough info on her private life to fully confirm or refute it though, and I don't want any more info on her private life so
Too close to the sun and burning
Woah the word play
Hope you'll find someone Dawn. You deserve better
Your partner of choice is a great representation of who you are if you choose to stay with them after knowing how terrible they are.
“Yeah, he unalived about 100 million people but I’m ignoring it because I want to prioritize my happiness”. - probably the wives of dictators
I assume a lot of them are the “I can fix them!” type. Or will try saying that their partners have changed.
Sure, it’s been 5 years since TBSS and you can argue that YJH has changed, but even then we as outsiders have not seen anything to support that. Besides, it’s still not wise to make the relationship public when it should be obvious how said public would react. And Hyuna hasn’t bothered to defend YJH himself, she just defends the relationship. Whatever the case-whether he’s changed or not, whether they truly love each other or not, whether it’s a healthy relationship or not-she handled this about as well as a toddler handling a bomb.
@@lumini3172 Also considering that half of her fans are a fan of her and dawn and not her alone. Them seeing her with someone after kinda ruining Dawn image (he looks skinny and unhealthy while they are still dating and after ngl) is part of her down fall especially because the fans knew that she didn't wanna get married to him yet chose to want to marry a new man in less than 1 year. If it had been a normal person people will likely accept it but she chose a person related to TBSS. Honestly disgust me so much, she even has feminist image before all that.
"I mean, I'm like really rich"
the fact dawn had to leave pentagon to be with hyuna just for her to waste his 6 yrs is wt pisses me most
Mm
Facts cuz he still makes music , pentagon is no more but he probably would have had a solid solo career
i would say it wasn't wasted if hyuna didnt go out of her way to date her old friend / ex fling and a literal burning sun enabler/ accomplice and then deciding to marry him. it just feels so shitty no wonder dawn deleted images of them together. wishing the best for him.
He even wrote songs about her after the break up saying she was his light and still praising her. She then goes to the same agency Dawn is signed to (why??), starts dating this jerk involved in the burning sun scandal, says she doesn’t care and only cares about her own happiness and now they are getting married (when she wasn’t ready to marry Dawn). What a fucking joke. Dawn deserves so much better. I would be so hurt if I was him
@kimihime9901 so joke
I never understood she did not go to marry him, but you go the some label again. just went to show her happiness to him for no reason. The guy that never hurt her it weird and cruel
Nobody forced HyunA to date someone who was involved in one of the most horrific scandals in all of K-Pop. She wasn’t being held hostage by him or anyone related to him. It’s not like she wasn’t aware of what his role was in that scandal because if she had common sense, she would’ve left his ass the moment she found out about it. She knew exactly what she was getting into when she chose to date him. Also, nobody forced her to ruin another idol’s career through ditching him after he pretty much gave most of his life to her.
She made the choces in life she will lived with it
Dawn literally left his career behind for her....
And where did that lead him? Straight to the dumpster. He needs to be made an example for people. This is what happens when you give your life to someone who cares nothing about you. Sacrificing your career just to be with some h*3.
People defending her need to understand that K-pop isn’t everything, and K-pop idols aren’t all sweet and innocent like fans want them to be. They are people, and like people, they do horrible stuff sometimes (although celebrities do worst stuff than the average criminal), and just like everyone else, we need to recognize that it’s bad
Honestly I don’t listen to this woman nor do I know much about her but to crucify her for the actions of her man is too much , they’re not having this same energy towards the men who actually did the crimes only going after a woman.
You clearly have not actually looked into anything then because the men have been crucified. This man can't go anywhere without people sitting there saying shit to him about how he could have prevented things he's been denied service at places and shit like that like this is something that has been talking about. Like he's not escaping it the other men who are part of it it was so bad they fled the fucking country none of them even live in South Korea anymore because that's how much they've been ostracized and blacklisted. People are mad at her because she did not need to sit there go ahead and decide to date him not only that but.
Every interview that she has done if you seen clips of it around she does nothing to talk about how people should be happy for her. How they are so happy together she doesn't say shit about the fact that you know your man could have prevented most of this from happening when he received those pictures and videos he could have literally sat there and turned his friend in it would have definitely put them on a watch list at the very leastif it didn't start an investigation cuz mind you at this point they had already started drugging women and taking advantage of them.
They just had it created the club burning Sun yet the club was in a thing until like a year and a half after he had received those messages which he replied to laughing and saying vile things about women in those messages he wasn't trying to defend those women he wasn't trying to tell his friend you shouldn't be taking videos and pictures without consent he said none of that he sat there and laughed along with him.
It feels like she's getting more backlash because she's still a public figure he is it.
On top of that is because people who have been fans of hers for years myself included have picked up on the fact that she has this habit of playing the victim even when she decided to announce mind you she decided on her own didn't tell her company or her boyfriend to announce that her and Dawn were dating.
They have been in a relationship for at least a year and a half or 2 years at that point in time the company was well aware of it but he had also only just stayed you not too long ago. They had no problem with them dating as long as they didn't announce it yet because his career wasn't solid yet hers had 10 years behind it. She almost ruined his entire career because he wasn't going to get signed to p Nation she told them she refused to sign with the company if they didn't sign her boyfriend. Which meant that they didn't want him in the first place and you could tell by the music that they had him come out with with them and how they barely promoted his ass they didn't want him they wanted her he just happened to be a burden.
not to mention it doesn't help that for years that had always been rumors that she was obsessed with the man that she's now engaged to and the only reason she dated Dawn is because they had similarities when it came to certain parts of their personality. Meaning that there's a possibility that if there's any truth to that rumor she basically used that poor younger man who also happened to be her subordinate in the industry for 6 years. As she waited for the person she actually wanted to be with to be available.
On top of that this man isn't Morrisville whatsoever none of them are but he isn't because people are still fans of his sadly and he does have a paid for service in Japan that is similar to bubble. Where he sat there and talked to them about the announcement which mind you he also had no clue his girlfriend was announcing that they were dating. which he apologized to his fans for and then proceeded to sit there and say that he wished that the things that happened aka the scandal of him not sitting there and turning his friend in didn't happen because it made his life and his fans life so hard not that he felt remorseful or bad about the fact that he could have helped prevent this shit or the fact that he aided in all of those women being taken advantage of know he was being sad and feeling bad because it ruined his career and it ruined his fans experience.
@@STAYATINYARMYSIN
@@STAYATINYARMYSIN exactly BLAME THE MEN THAT RE OUT , she is OUT OF IT
@@STAYATINYARMYSIN they did have the same energy tho?? What are u talking about, he and everyone else who were involved, were basically shunned by everyone when it first came out
@@0_02_p6 the man was blamed, he was shunned by everyone. You wanna talk about her being a women??? Her entire image is girl power and being a feminist, this is a slap in the face to the victims. One of the victims in the scandal was her own friend who helped expose these men, and now she’s dating one of them. So don’t use her gender as an excuse to not be called out, it’s weird
I used to support Hyuna so much, as an international fan, her sexy and badass attitude were so different from what the idols image was supposed to be back then, and she gave a refreshing air with her music and dancing. It's just sad to see one of my fav idols lose grace in such a manner, and for such indignant matters. She is a woman, she got fans who are girls too, so I can't wrap around my head how she could date someone who disregards violence towards women... it's just sad and disappointing tbh. Though I come to understand that SA and violence towards women in Korea is such a swept-under-the-rug issue, that usually ends up in impunity, for a first world country their laws are so outdated and just straight up horrible, she as a woman, shouldn't disregard such things as well, that's how you become part of the problem as well. I, personally, am done supporting such a person who "doesn't care" about such important matters. WOMEN SHOULD SUPPORT WOMEN AND STAND UP ONE FOR EACH OTHER COS NO ONE ELSE WILL💪
Bro her boyfriend is one of the reason why Go Hara died Ppl shouldn't forget that .
No he is not. i think Choi Jong-hoon was quilty, cause he was her close friend and also a part of the Chat and the main rapist, Hara helped convince him to confess. Also the most guilty in her death is her ex-boyfriend Choi Jong Beom who was officially found guilty and is obliged to pay money to Hara's family.
that made my jaw drop
And his crime is so bad that his agency kicked him from his boygroup. The agency and his groupmates don't want him anymore
@@whatismyadjectiveiconfused He wasn’t kicked, he was a CEO, so he withdrew himself
And Go Hara was one of Hyunas closest friends too..
Interesting how quickly things can turn on a feminist icon who’s songs like ping pong, nabilera, I’m not cool and even a collab with psy and more were loved by kpop and because of her decision she’s practically ended her career. You get what you get
WHAT FEMINIST IMAGE STOP IT PLEASE she’s not a feminist icon, she was forced since she was a child to do sexy concept. And I’m disgusted of you and all people (especially women) that screams female solidarity and than if a woman fall in love with a problematic man the first thought you have is “let’s cancel her” wow y’all sure are showing solidarity with women congratulation!!!
Meanwhile male k-idols who were actually involved in the crimes, like Seungri, still have a fan base, the balls to open new clubs/restaurants, and parade in the spotlight like nothing happened. Even Chris Wu was still active and uncancelled while his victims struggled for years to bring him down. Hyuna announced her relationship to a bystander of a crime and people react like she served the victims to the perpetrators.
Im tired of the double standard. Genuinely can’t blame her for her “idgaf” attitude. Caring as a woman in her industry will stick you 6 ft under.
@@MsAdams1053 unfortunately as long as we have kpop we have double standards. The industry despite what we want it to be(comebacks, promotions, collabs, cool choreography, trends, nice idols) is really built on toxic fanbases, rumors, double standards, payola, lies, hate and crimes. Some examples
Btss fandom are hated in the western world cause of how much they love bts and get labeled toxic that’s how the west knows of bts
Yg was given 6 months parole but is now taking pics with CL
Jisoo is praised for dating, Jennie hated for it double standards
KATSEYE on Netflix and GMA within 2 months of their debut, payola without it kpop won’t be
Yg claimed 2NE1 wasn’t gonna disband and they did but are now back, lies kept people upset and instantly joyful once they got what they wanted
Suili has lost her life cause of people hating on her and now we wish she was back. hate
Seurngi does horrible things noticed by bbc. They post about it and kpop is known because of crimes.
This industry will chew you up and spit you out I read somewhere and for as long as time we can never change rhat 😢.
No hate to any artist I mentioned btw except seurngi.
she wasn’t feminist…
@@eduarddaniel6786 k
I left her fandom, she was kinda a unique artist and dawn was so amazing person, she is just a narssacistic person
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I think she's just a dumb person she doesn't basic logic because she's dating that criminal...
WELL SAID!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Facts
International fans are ‘sensitive’ to these issues?! We are not sensitive, we are disgusted, it’s not the same thing. Don’t make it seem like we’re hysterical and over-reacting.
no one said anything about overreacting its evident that us international fans never really care for these controversies unless the law is involved.
@@likhwezititus1-read again. we're talking about the k-netz comments. they are saying that us international fans are sensitive when we are not at all. this involves their OWN people and the women living there but we're the only ones worried? yeah bcs they give no fucks. it's Korea, they never gave an actual fuck about SA and Ràpe cases 2- "international fans never really care about controversies unless law is involved" what is your point again? why shouldn't WE be concerned? it's a huge case that involved multiple women SAed, rAped, filmed without their consent. the victims are living through their lives with trauma. you need to word well before speaking.
I don't understand south korea sometimes. Look, my country also patriarchal, yet most men here at least have enough moral to think that sex scandal and hurting women is disgusting.
International fans are "more sensitive" to these issues because they have a backbone and raise their voices against wrongdoings. SK could learn a thing or two instead of turning a blind eye and/or giving a slap on the wrist to perpetrators.
Im so disappointed, can’t defend her anymore :/
Same
I feel bad for dawn the love of his life not wanting to marry him yet but when she got with that guy and now they are getting married, dawn deserves better ( edit - he also left he’s group for hyuna which is really sad)
Exactly. I would be devastated!! I truly hope he is well, taking care of himself and finds true love with someone who truly cares about him. I feel so sad when watching the mv of his song “Heart”, you can see how hurt he was after the break up and now so much more stuff happened
Im sorry but she really thought people were just going to let this whole situation slide😭 it's one thing that some fans get mad when idols date a normal person but she literally dated a criminal and played dawn and one of her friends like hello😭😭😭
Just wondering. Is Zico still innocent when he publicly said he watched the “golden phone”?
because zico didn't build a "feminist" image for himself and his work
@@jungkookspurplehair So it's okay for him to be involved in the burning sun because he's not a feminist? Or are you just saying that because he's a man and you're mysogynistic. Zico is still successful, well loved, and LITERALLY collabed with one of the biggest idols which is Jennie. Yet somehow Hyuna, the woman who isn't even related to the scandal is shamed and dragged to hell? Y'all are just being sexist and we can clearly see how you guys hold women on to higher standards.
We dk what’s going on
Zico has always been a shitty person, his fanbase just don’t care because they are like him lol
@@jungkookspurplehair So that justifies and excuses his involvement in the scandal? Because he's not a feminist? Jeez, y'all would rather cancel a woman who wasn't even involved in the scandal than someone who was, that's just embarrassing.
I find it weird that people talk about her not marrying Dawn as part of the reason they are mad; she has no obligation to want to marry him versus the guy she's with now. I will say I still do not like her because she's in a relationship with someone who did some downright criminal things, but that has nothing and will never have anything to do with her decision to marry this guy instead of Dawn. She can change her mind about marriage regardless of how long she and Dawn were together. The continuing bringing up Dawn is missing the real problem of what is happening. I feel like if your first thought is, “why did she leave Dawn for this guy?” instead of what it should be, “Why is she with this guy he’s awful?” you have to reevaluate how invested you are in these idols' lives. This is not drama this is serious.
Excellent comment. Sometimes people are compatible short-term but not long term. It could be something as simple and non-negotiable as "I want kids and they don't"/vice-versa. You can't compromise on having children, you either have them or you don't, and that's one of the questions you have to ask when you're getting married.
The thing is, she said she broke up with dawn because she wasn't ready for marriage even after years of dating. But now with this new man, she announces marriage in less than a year?? She's inconsistent
@@whatismyadjectiveiconfused She might not have been ready to marry anyone back then? It's possible that she was already falling out of love at that point? Or it's possible she rejected the marriage proposal out of fear/insecurity/the implied idea that she should start having a family soon after, but later on, once everything ended with Dawn, realized that she did enjoy the idea of getting married after all, just not with Dawn specifically. That's okay and doesn't inherently make her a bad person. She doesn't owe Dawn anything as there is no proof that she wasn't serious about their relationship as long as it lasted.
@@luskaneseprince I will agree if she didn't indirectly ruin Dawn's future as rookie back then. Pentagon is on the rise but got unnoticed the moment Dawn got kicked out. Hyuna might be fine since she already developed strong fanbase and a veteran but how about Dawn? Even later on he only had been known as Hyuna's bf instead of his own. Even if anyone support them back then, I quietly disagree and flustered at how selfish Hyuna could be. But I decided to support their relationship since Dawn's obviously so in love with her and I want to respect it and prayed for his happiness. Well it aged like milk now
I agree, Pnation changed her into a half of a couple, psy promoted dawn amd her merely as a couple, and when they broke up both of them lost relevance. Bad management
As I heard Cube kicked them out. Pnation kinda saved them ngl coz altho they become the talk of the town for good reason they still made a bad image by being kicked out of the company. Kinda agree with bad management tho, they are mostly promoted as a couple.
It was what kept them in the news in their interim, but you're right that they needed more effort put into creating distinct images and separating their release times. Although, when you're a couple with similar creative directions you may just want to do a song together like Ping Pong. At some level, it's unavoidable that a popular couple will be less popular individually or people will be sad when they break up and actively un-stan.
I like Dawn. He's a good singer. I'm not really his fan. But I like his music. I used to be a fan of Hyuna and I'm ashamed. I always thought they broke up cuz of Hyuna. But I just didn't like her anymore after their breakup. And I felt really good about my decision after I saw her dating a criminal. She played Dawn. She didn't want to start a family with him but now she wants to with a criminal? She maybe found her IDEAL match. Someone on her level. I hope Dawn finds someone who'll love him like he deserves. Their dating rumor really ruined Dawn's career. Meanwhile, she never really suffered that much. She was always more famous than Dawn. He was the one who suffered, while Hyuna enjoyed her fame. She's just a selfish person.
Same here. And now, seeing how the things were when their relationship was discovered, I have the feeling that Hyuna pressured Dawn to assume that their were dating and she didn't even considered if he wanted that or not (but, of course, it's my speculation)
Same 👍🏾 i’m a former K-pop fan Hyuna was one of the first i started listening too back then when she started i got over her long time ago i listened to Dawn a little bit i was kind of a fan of him in Pentagon i feel sorry for him tbh he deserves better ❤️
She totally ruined herself I also liked her for her straightforward behaviour but she forgot that bcz of these fans she become successful and if she not going to have any fans then her career is ruined but fans should have support her it's too much I don't know what going to happen to her she is looking sick bcz she is also human so should had a big impact of hate comments its really a big dream for idols to become singer bcz of her not caring about people's she is done
I heard that dawn even left his group to be with hyunA, but she broke up with him for a guy from the burning sun scandal..dude that is so messed up. She’s going to have to have to apologize
Correction they both got booted from Cube after cube denied dating rumors and hyuna decided she didn't want to keep it a secret.
@@jackiescookies598 her not keeping anything a secret really ruin her career now coz she didn't tell her current company about her dating someone and publicly announced it. Unfortunately for them, fans are not taking his controversy lightly.
When you lose most if not all your fan sites (made and maintained by the most hardcore fans) it’s pretty obvious that you don’t have a real following anymore. Why are people so baffled that concerts are being cancelled? And why on earth did she think, she could go on unbothered and people were still going to follow her around. That must have been quite the wake up call. That your fans have been sticking out for you over the years, even through all your controversies are now turning their backs. She probably thought this would blow over naturally. It’s good that she found love that suits her, but people don’t have to abide by it, nor respect it.
I was happy I was not able to buy tickets. I wouldn’t even try to resell had I got them. She wants to be with a bum, it’s her business. She’s a whole ass adult and can lay in the bed she made
Your partner is your reflection. and about Kpop you never knew which is the real them.
13:52 it's also possible that crowd charing is also fake 🙄..
She is such a disappointment to me. I used to love her music and support her so much but after this I don’t know how I could support her.
I used to love hyuna but now bc of actions and dating I can't stand her
same
As far as I know when Junghyun recived that video he asked if the woman concented to be filmed and that bastard said yes. Then it's when Junghyun made some inappropriate comments and moved on
I also have vasovagal syncope and no, at least the last stage was not due to vasovagal syncope.
*i’ve learned many things bout her life but if I had a chance like her I’ll never act like this*
I don’t wanna jump into conclusions but i personally think hyuna may have been unfaithful to dawn because this makes no sense because she wasn’t ready to marry a man from a 6 year relationship but now she is ready to marry a man she only knew for a couple months?
I speculate that Dawn didn’t want her public image to get even more ruined so they came up with these excuses.
Again this is just my theory I’m not saying THIS happened.
Not to defend hyuna but they knew each other for many years, did collabs and we’re known to be friends. She just started publicly dating him not long ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if she held a torch for him for a while though
HyunA and EDawn were my kpop parents It's still traumatic for me to accept, I loved them together 😢
I think she's just tired at this point, she wants to settle with her "chosen" partner and is willing to risk it all. Also the fact that she FULLY acknowledges both the scandal and the chain reaction effect of it, and then decides to ignore them really says a lot about her personality. If she tries to ignore us, then we have the right to do it too. She had her run, it's time to hang up the mic (hope she spends her time building herself to be a "normal" person)
I think her lack of good music is the main problem. When she was in cube she had hits. Then it was a steady decline to whatever it is she's doing right now. If you have good music that's the focus. If you don't, your personal life becomes the focus. But her taste in men is horrible.
Man, poor Dawn. He went through hell for her. I hope he’s in some state of recovery.
"foreigners are more sensitive to these problems " really?!🙄🙂🤨😑
first, love you videos💗
Her last release under pnation is nabillera, not im not cool. Even nabillera failed to become a strong hit, so its normal that Q&A, produced by a way smaller company, failed to become a well known songs, though attitude as an album sold a lot of copies for her standars
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Why is there a picture of Bom? She has nothing to do with Hyuna
i just feel bad for Dawn , i've always loved him
HyunA fell hard from her 4Minute days. She's done
I have to disagree…everyone around me,including myself stopped supporting her because of her man. There is many idols who have openly stood up to the unfairness of the burning sun scandal and she’s openly ok with it. It’s gross
About the stage performance, I tend to lean on her physical condition. But really, her decision certainly generate backlash and she needs to be prepared. Ofc it's entirely on her about her personal relationship, but living in this world as human. Even for people not to her caliber, some decision in our life will eventually affect others'. Especially after such a huge issue
She took her own song "I'm not cool" way to serious
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All I can say is I hope she’s happy. I don’t really care about her or her music/life. But she did it to herself. Hope this love is real. Maybe this guy changed and he really is just guilty by association or she’ll find out in three years what a mistake she made. Either way it’s too late but she’s set for life anyway
Genuine question, too late for what exactly? You said yourself maybe she thinks in three years it was a mistake. Yeah like people can change their opinions. Too late for what? A career? As if that wouldn't be feasible? Assuming, for example everything turns out like people want, she divorces him, she sees what mistakes she made, maybe she even talks about how manipulative people like your loved ones can be and so on and so on. You think she can never have a career after that? Or refers your 'too late' to something different because genuine question because career wise she still has options. Maybe not in the spotlight but options in the media industry.
I am not DEFENFING Hyuna but why you all hate her and not that man.More is fault of that man then Hyuna
She has been in the industry for so long to not know that this is going to be your downfall, even if you don't care what people think this is the one you should care if you don't want to end you career. You shouldn't even date someone like him, is she not scared of being filmed without her knowing.
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days 3, 4, and 5
kinda satisfying ngl
Its so hard to have an opinion bc celebrities are seen as role models and should act accordingly and do good things but at the end of the day theyre humans and they make mistakes. We fans sometimes will never know the full truth of things that happen there is peer pressure presure from the company or even pressure from themselves. But its very uncomfortable to see fans trying to control these idols and celebrities lives. Like either support their music or dont but you have no right to tell them how to live their life
Fans you did well on this some of these idols feel themselves so much, fans put you up so it's easy to take you down
Regardless of her scandal, I hope there won’t be any cyberbullying from the knetz, I don’t want the same case that happened to Sulli nor Goo Hara to happen again
Too late
that’s what im also thinking, specially because people always blame women but men don’t seem to receive same hate
@@lizethrivera5959 honestly reminds me what stephanie said, “one many big mistake of man is equal to one mistake of woman”, (rephrased)
in which vdo did she say this@@miruzasri
Man I really loved hyuna.. 🫤
5:54 is this park bom? Right?!!!
Yes
Hyuna had been the face of women's empowerment for quite some time in South Korea so her choice of a man who didn't report the video of the the unsuspecting young women and commenting shows poor judgement. It was like a hypocritical punch in the face to all her fans and everything she stood for. Celebrities often get a sense of I can do no wrong and my fans will always be with me and take them for granted. She has pushed the boundaries for years and it has always worked in her favor, but this time she just pushed her fans too far. As far as the North American tour goes, those of us in North America, aren't even buying tickets for North American artists due to the economics. However, there are many other Kpop groups we would rather spend our hard earned money on. Hyuna hasn't really put out much music or changed her style to warrant a sold out concert truth be told.
Stop spinning stuff. YJH was not directly involved with anything that happened with BS... Get your facts straight, stop lying, and go read all the actual court and police documents and statements. He opened 1 video that he didn't know what it contained and then commented on it. Nothing more. The only thing you can get mad at him for is maybe for not beating up JJY, I guess, to try and maybe convince him that sending it out to people was wrong (the woman in the video consented to being touched, and to it being filmed, but NOT to it being spread), because it certainly was not going to be handled by the police, since they wouldn't even do anything about it when JJY's ex reported him for FAR more serious crimes. I'm not a fan of YJH's either, but its not ok for you all just to keep lying about him in order to just stir up hate and animosity. Go direct that energy to the culptits who were actually doing the real awful things in this case, instead of the female fiancee of one of the bystanders.
@@Sugas_Girr Watching abuse against women being commited and NOT REPORTING IT, is NOT a simple mistake. He didn't need to confront him or beat him up, don't be dumb and obtuse. He could just have taken this evidence and gone to the police. Everyone knows men are taken much more seriously when they call out things like this, and coming from a famous person like him would have hold much more weight. What he did cannot be forgiven. It is said that it was CLEAR in the video that the girl didn't know she was being recorded. He SAW it, made comments, and DIDN'T report. He's a grown ass man and you shouldn't be here defending someone that deserves nothing but to be shunned. HyunA is someone that has been the face of female empowerment in South Korea for YEARS. And for YEARS she accepted it, and profited off her image of a female baddass that confronted SK standards for women. She deservers for people to stop supporting her fake image, as it is clear that it was only a way for her to make money, and that she isn't what she portraits her to be. A girl was violated, and she's dating a man who saw that, humiliated the girl in text and then proceeded to do nothing. He could very well have done what Goo Hara did, but instead he remained silent. Goes to show how much he and his supposed "feminist" fiancee care about women.
@@blahblahblahblah729 There was NO abuse against any women in the video he watched! Who's being dumb and obtuse???!!! 😂😂😂 Get your facts straight and stop lying!!! 🙄
@@HobanProduction It was filmed WITH consent, but she had not specifically consented to JJY sharing it with YJH. So, yes, what JJY did by sharing it is awful and a complete violation of her privacy 100%, but you can not really say from YJH's side, that YJH was "watching abuse", especially when it was a completely unsolicited video, that he had no idea of what it even contained when he received it, and when viewing it, what was filmed did not actually contain any crime (not explicit s acts, not s a, and not even hidden filming).
And by the way, I'm not defending anybody here. I'm just saying to stop lying and making false statements. The facts are bad enough as they are, you don't need to exaggerate them and try to embellish the stories to make them sound even worse than they already are. Just state the truth and real facts, not your made up version to try and rile people up and incite more hate and animosity, in a desperate need for you to seek attention and likes on a false post.
I want to know whats so special about him? Because she put aside everything for him.
She chosed her way. It is what it is. So I don't want her to complain about her downfall. I'm over with her since this.
I don't condone her dating this guy but even then you can have empathy with her? The amount of hate she receives can spiral down in the same results other idols ended their lives. You don't want her complain because 'it is her own fault'. She married someone people don't agree on but please that doesn't mean she can't complain over the hate she gets. 'It's her own fault' is such a narrow minded thinking.
My religion says that forgive others not because they deserve forgiveness but because you deserve peace
But i think i would just ignore both party
This girl threw Dawn away for that thing. Hell nah....poor Dawn I'm glad he's away from her.
I’ve loved Hyuna since 4minute and definitely have nostalgia for her. Look at it this way. She fell in love and stood up for that and was punished by cube (major overreaction in my opinion). She moved on, supported her partner, and struggle with P Nation that would not let her show her full potential. She then falls in love again and yes it’s controversial but we have 0 details of their personal lives and only have knowledge through media. I am not saying that burning sun was not horrifying and they should absolutely all pay, but we have no clue as to their personal lives. As for Dawn, if she didn’t want to marry him and fell in love with someone else, that is better than her marrying him for fans only. Finally, your happiness should not go above her own. It’s her life and she should be happy and not just make herself miserable so her fans are happy. She is literally doing her best as the world falls apart around her. Man fans are entitled these days.
@kookielit I wish there was a way to private message on RUclips, and a way to give emotion through text so as not to misunderstand. I have some advice/ a recommendation, but don't want you to take it the wrong way. I have seen a couple of your videos where you have mispronounced idol's names. I understand maybe Korean isn't your first language, or that maybe you don't speak it at all. But if you're going to have a channel focused solely on Korean news, I think it is important that you research how to pronounce their names. It is common curtesy to try to learn people's names, and in some cases, you may cause confusion between different artists who's names are actually pronounced that way. For example, "Sooyun/Suyoon" There can be someone with the name 수윤 (Su-yoon) or 수연 (Su-y-uh-n). Hyuna is pronounced "H-yuh-na" short "u" sound. This is just a suggestion. No hate, just constructive criticism. Please don't misinterpret or take as hate.
I genuinely wouldve streamed Q&A nonstop if it werent for the dating scandal I think its good. If it werent for that i also think the spng wouldve done much better internationally i can see the song trending on tiktok.
Here's her wedding guest list: Seungri, Jung Jun young, Choi Jong hoon😂😂😂😂 might as well add rapper SanE even tho he's not related to Burning Sun because he belongs to the same crowd🤮
I'm genuinely so confused on WHY she would do this...and WHY she doesn't care. Like I only recently found out about the burning sun crime and omg. How could she just ignore all that and still date this man?? I'm a feminist myself and I could NEVERRRR date a man who engaged in a sex trafficking ring. Like that's disgusting. I hope Hyuna leaves him eventually... I really hope she apologizes too. This is so disappointing. Like... Not Hyuna.. 😞
Sorry for dawn ,he left pentagon at his prime . Hope he gets bigger
the general consensus among knets seem to be that they're more disappointed than mad at Hyuna. Like a friend who devolved into an idiot who shamelessly defends her shitty boyfriend, and also having no consideration for her fellow idol ex bf. Which makes sense because she was really such a beloved idol
she did it to herself..
As someone who used to follow her and enjoy her songs, i unsubscribed & unfollowed her BECAUSE she started dating him. "Foreigners are more sensitive to this topics" AND SO SHOULD YOU! In fact I'm quite surprised why the netizens aren't sensitive enough about SA AND R@PE. When BS wasn't even a controversy but a straight up crime.
6:39 This is a tangent from the main topic, but I saw TripleS on their US tour. I had a great time, but unfortunately only about half of the venue was filled (and the venue capacity was only around 1,500). That meant my friend and I got to move closer to the stage, but it was sad to see. Modhaus really should have worked to popularize the group to the Western market more before sending them on an international tour. But in Hyuna's case, she could have filled a much larger venue but she chose to ruin her career by dating a man involved with Burning Sun. I had been a fan of hers since 2010 but with what has come to light there was no way I was going to continue supporting her.
As a very old and loyal fan of hers, this has been the most upsetting and frustrating kpop scandal ever. I just wish things had gone differently for her and all the supporters she had
“A scandal” girl we’re talking about the 🍇pe of multiple women. What if that was your mother, sister, your friend
With the censorship of yt im not surprised
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