This is my complaint. You didn't actually mistime the Nihilus annihilate, it's just force drain brought down the cooldowns. For this raid I would prefer if force drain had a set number of reductions to the cooldown. That would make it more a game of skill, as it is it's more like you're having to guess and hope for forgiving RNG because sometimes he'll reduce cooldowns enough to use it, sometimes he won't. Basically you're gambling on the outcome instead of strategy and skill mattering more.
It is a set number though, if you have a debuff it drops the cooldown per debuff, if you don’t then it only goes down once like a normal ability. He did mistime it because he could see he had 4 debuffed characters which meant that when nihilus drained it brought annihilate to zero. There’s no gamble involved imo.
I hope other characters can surface as viable. I've seen some Empire teams do fantastic damage along with Imperial Troopers and even Nightsisters. There's other options, but to beat the raid it definitely requires a lot of guild work!
I don't think they'd need to nerf StHan; they'd just have to change Bonds of Weakness so it can kill enemies. Under normal play, once a character got down to the sliver, they're pretty much going to die anyway; I don't think it'd change that much for normal strategies.
This raid is ridiculous. My guild started tier 6 as soon as this dropped and were still only half way through phase 3. We’ve done over 350 million damage 😂
Thanks for the video! You call the StHan team an "exploit" and "loophole", which doesn't seem like an accurate description. It seems like there is no bug or exploit involved at all and is perfectly legitimate. It will be interesting to follow this issue and see a dev response.
It's exploiting the raid mechanics, IMO. Whatever you want to call it, it seems unlikely to me that this is how CG intended the raid to function week one and I'm assuming a nerf will come.
CubsFan Han yeah, funny how an ability thats working as intended suddenly receives a bug fix or something along those line...looking at you, nute "machine" gunray
the ability was WAI, but they did not intend for the raid to be exploited with that ability to solo two entire phases on auto essentially. It's the raid that need to be fixed, not STH.
I have a question, i thought you were unable to retreat from this raid, did they remake it so you can? I haven't retreated because i'm afraid would lose my squad, now i'm a little confused lol
You aren't able to have individual characters retreat to reuse them later (notice there's no character retreat icon near the bottom left). You are still allowed to back out of a battle before all of your characters die though.
It's not retreat, it's Escape they removed.. escape would let you krep whatever points you had gained and keep the character (if successful).. retreat you loose all progress and start over.
A truly not fun raid. This is akin to playing DnD with a vindictive GM. No, I'm not asking for it to be easy or solo-able. It would just be nice to feel relevant in it. My guild started it day one. Tier one. We are still working in it. About to start phase 4 and not looking forward to it at all. A developer fail. Nerf the players and tell the community to screw themselves, is what we got.
Haha, it took us a month alone to chip aways P1 of the normal aat. Then they nerfed it and we had to restart it, haha. In this raid we are already close to finish off P1, so either we got s lot stronger or the tier5 is a big difference to tier6. They already nerfed %based dmg, didn't they? In a previous run I've seen %based dmg-numbers close to double the amount as it was yesterday..
The "loophole" of StHan is very disturbing. It's like using cheat code against raid boss (just saying) The monthly login is purely a coincidence of StHan appearing and I think it's got nothing to do with the raid.
It is a very strong loophole but Palpatine still has one in P3 of the AAT. He can get killed eventually though:) Some fun combos should be allowed, I think:)
Waste of time. Don't post a video without actual results - maybe wait until you can try out different teams and different stages of this phase before posting a video?
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I love how you use characters that are hard to get as a demonstration
Hory shieet...I did not realize we could retreat!!!!!
This is my complaint. You didn't actually mistime the Nihilus annihilate, it's just force drain brought down the cooldowns. For this raid I would prefer if force drain had a set number of reductions to the cooldown. That would make it more a game of skill, as it is it's more like you're having to guess and hope for forgiving RNG because sometimes he'll reduce cooldowns enough to use it, sometimes he won't. Basically you're gambling on the outcome instead of strategy and skill mattering more.
It is a set number though, if you have a debuff it drops the cooldown per debuff, if you don’t then it only goes down once like a normal ability. He did mistime it because he could see he had 4 debuffed characters which meant that when nihilus drained it brought annihilate to zero. There’s no gamble involved imo.
somewhatdamaged1 is correct. The raid Nihilus' force drain only reduces cooldown if your character has debuff. No RNG is involved.
Has anyone attempted Rebel Officer Organa vs the Palpatine lead teams? Is the turn meter and foresight enough to counter?
Cool vid! As always.
It’s basically have 25% of the guild use g12 jtr teams for each phase and you’re good. Smh.
I hope other characters can surface as viable. I've seen some Empire teams do fantastic damage along with Imperial Troopers and even Nightsisters. There's other options, but to beat the raid it definitely requires a lot of guild work!
CubsFan Han hope so man...so far this looks like it may break guilds favoring members that have a g12 jtr
I don't think they'd need to nerf StHan; they'd just have to change Bonds of Weakness so it can kill enemies. Under normal play, once a character got down to the sliver, they're pretty much going to die anyway; I don't think it'd change that much for normal strategies.
great point- or that the damage from BoW can't increase tm or something. They probably don't want to change han's kit- good point.
What about Nihillus lead?
This raid is ridiculous. My guild started tier 6 as soon as this dropped and were still only half way through phase 3. We’ve done over 350 million damage 😂
Thanks for the video!
You call the StHan team an "exploit" and "loophole", which doesn't seem like an accurate description. It seems like there is no bug or exploit involved at all and is perfectly legitimate. It will be interesting to follow this issue and see a dev response.
It's exploiting the raid mechanics, IMO. Whatever you want to call it, it seems unlikely to me that this is how CG intended the raid to function week one and I'm assuming a nerf will come.
CubsFan Han yeah, funny how an ability thats working as intended suddenly receives a bug fix or something along those line...looking at you, nute "machine" gunray
the ability was WAI, but they did not intend for the raid to be exploited with that ability to solo two entire phases on auto essentially. It's the raid that need to be fixed, not STH.
CubsFan Han its at a point where i really have to question the thought process...did no one at any point question whether this might be exploitable?
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is this still only tier 6.....if so heroic is gonna be impossible
I have a question, i thought you were unable to retreat from this raid, did they remake it so you can? I haven't retreated because i'm afraid would lose my squad, now i'm a little confused lol
You aren't able to have individual characters retreat to reuse them later (notice there's no character retreat icon near the bottom left). You are still allowed to back out of a battle before all of your characters die though.
It's not retreat, it's Escape they removed.. escape would let you krep whatever points you had gained and keep the character (if successful).. retreat you loose all progress and start over.
Ohhh, i'm a dummy.. Didn't even think of that, thanks for the reply's guys!
Lemme guess, RJT?
lol watch the video- no RJT :P
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But also not great damage lol
RJT is actually rubbish after p2, and there are better teams for p2 as well imo. P1 is the only phase rjt seems to do the best in
A truly not fun raid. This is akin to playing DnD with a vindictive GM.
No, I'm not asking for it to be easy or solo-able. It would just be nice to feel relevant in it.
My guild started it day one. Tier one. We are still working in it. About to start phase 4 and not looking forward to it at all.
A developer fail.
Nerf the players and tell the community to screw themselves, is what we got.
The Pit is even more annoying.
good job on the "expose" lol
And it’s gone!
They need to nerf Sion and Nihilus, because of basic logic: Droids are not alive nor do they feel any physical pain.
Already been announced by cg that its getting nerfed:/
My guild will finish this in a month, it’s just way to hard
yeah it's a step up for sure. If your guild is taking that long you'll probably want to go ahead and try a lower tier.
CubsFan Han probably not that long but certainly awhile
Haha, it took us a month alone to chip aways P1 of the normal aat. Then they nerfed it and we had to restart it, haha.
In this raid we are already close to finish off P1, so either we got s lot stronger or the tier5 is a big difference to tier6.
They already nerfed %based dmg, didn't they? In a previous run I've seen %based dmg-numbers close to double the amount as it was yesterday..
Eric Lüthi has it been out for a month?
Cosmo Rea nope, I don't think so. I was talking about aat in the beginning, sorry for the confusion!
The "loophole" of StHan is very disturbing. It's like using cheat code against raid boss (just saying) The monthly login is purely a coincidence of StHan appearing and I think it's got nothing to do with the raid.
completely agree. It's good that they're fixing it
It is a very strong loophole but Palpatine still has one in P3 of the AAT. He can get killed eventually though:)
Some fun combos should be allowed, I think:)
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Waste of time. Don't post a video without actual results - maybe wait until you can try out different teams and different stages of this phase before posting a video?