JOIN our Locals community to hear *Samuel* answer audience questions: triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Trailer 00:29 Identity politics is debasing the arts 04:59 Art should be free from political influence 08:10 Isn’t art just a frivolous accessory? 11:39 Our arts education is bankrupt 14:06 Art should be made not used 15:22 Technology’s effect on music 17:22 American influence on mass entertainment 19:21 SPONSOR: Ketone-IQ 20:37 Is controversial art being censored? 23:30 The age of cultural giants is over 26:08 History of the musical repertoire 29:12 The insane genius of musical legends 30:22 The dangers of artistic ephemerality 32:50 The science of music 33:48 The irresistible compulsion to create 35:47 Why does music move us? 38:22 Mental instability among artists 40:05 SPONSOR: Chuck Norris Defense 41:09 Syd Barrett & Brian Wilson 45:04 Fine artists have disappeared from the mainstream 47:03 It’s now ‘elitist’ to promote technical ability 50:53 We no longer share an objective standard of skill 53:04 Samuel’s YT channel - filling the vacuum 55:55 What’s the one thing we’re not talking about?
Wow, what a surprise to se Samuel Andreyev as your guest! I have been following his youtube channel for a long time and love it. This was an unexpected crossover for me, amazing! So nice!!
What a wonderful interview. He is so eloquent in how he describes art and music. This issue of art being held hostage to identify politics has infected every part of the arts. The Arts Council of England make artists jump through dozens of political and identity hoops that have nothing to do with the work itself if they are to have any hope of receiving funding.
Absolutely, and many high powered individuals at these arts institutions trebled their conversations (during c-vid to protect careers and look busy) about diversity, to the point that post pandemic it’s impossible for straight white males to find work. All done out of a disgustingly shortsighted mindset that existed before, but was ramped up to damage the average person before society realised it was a sham. My industry was destroyed by this, now I have no entry in, and it’s also collapsing with 23 year old women from diverse backgrounds doing jobs that traditionally were done by 40 year olds that spent decades to get there (for the record many were diverse before this). It’s awful.
You also see the identity politics all over competitions and calls for scores. I almost think a person getting started in the arts should just hunker down for the time being, cultivate themselves in isolation, and wait for this nonsense to blow over.
It's the main problem of capitalism, it's a system that forces people to earn money in order to live and eat. Whatever you want to invest your time into, it needs to guarantee you a wage. Any form of art made in this context is kind of a hostage to money and the interest of any institution that can grant the money, being a State, a coorporation, an industry, a Label... You are not completely free to create art if you don't have money beforehand.
@@rodrigocautela.composerMUDDLED thinking on your part! It ISN'T CAPITALISM PER SE but rather PATRONAGE ITSELF that is the problem. Once you accept PATRONAGE you face the risk of losing your artistic FREEDOM! No TRUE CAPITALISM IS FREEDOM - AND NOT THE CORRUPT SOCIALISTIC/FASCISTIC CRONY CAPITALISM WE HAVE TODAY THAT SO MANY LAZILY CALL CAPITALISM WHERE THE STATE AND NOT THE FREE MARKET CHOOSES THE CAPITALIST WINNERS AND CAPITALIST LOSERS! HE WHO PAYS THE PIPER (IE THE STATE) CALLS THE TUNE!
Thank you for this discussion. As a classical musician and former classical music critic who saw the dread omens of identity politics coming for the arts some years ago (one reason I got out of the game), I can vouch for all that Samuel relates here. As a writer I've had to dodge efforts to place me in identity boxes (gay, cancer survivor, etc).
Sounds worse than the worst years of Soviet Union. Shostakovich might have been limited by the state for a few years, but still, the state supported his work and he made some the best musuc.
@@piotrmalewski8178 Sounds like you have NO IDEA what real political terror and repression is like. Artists under Stalin lost their health, sanity, families and lives to the horrors of the regime. It was a nightmare. Even a quick AI search yields this, which only scratches the surface: Stalin's efforts to control Soviet artists began in the 1930s. Tikhon Khrennikov was the head of the Union of Soviet Composers, who imposed "socialist realism" on Soviet music. The Soviet government used the Union to monitor composers' work and hand down official judgment. The penalty for disobedience was harsh, which could include distant imprisonment and torture in the Gulag (concentration and forced labor camps) for many years, if one survived at all. Many classical artists were persecuted under Stalin, including composers, poets, and musicians. To list a few: Dmitri Shostakovich: A composer whose work was denounced as "formalist" and "destructive to the state" by Andrei Zhdanov, a government official. Shostakovich was officially declared an "enemy of the people" and most of his work was banned. Sergei Prokofiev: A composer whose work was criticized for embracing Western ideals. The sounds of his Romeo and Juliet were no longer played in Russian concert halls. Sergei Yesenin: A poet whose work was forbidden to the public. Pyotr Lechshenko: An artist who was branded as a hostile element. Aleksandr Vertinsky: An artist who was branded as a hostile element. And there were many more who suffered, most of whose names the general public will never know.
Congratulations on inviting Samuel Andreyev to speak! It's good news that you've given him a platform. All of us can benefit from his invaluable insights and perspectives. Honest, refreshing and much-needed. The great Jewish-Australian composer and critic once said: 'to understand a piece of art, you must always ask: "who paid for it?"'.'
@@lamel1781 Which would explain scientific "studies" by oil companies like Exxon decades ago that proclaimed there to be no evidence of man-made global warming. Or "studies" by tobacco companies which found smoking actually contributed to good health.
Music is processed by both of our brain's hemispheres at the same time. It stimulates our entire mind, our entire sense of self. It stays with us even when we have dementia and lose memory of almost everything else. Tribal peoples regularly sing together, it's a way of bonding as a group, of preserving memories and emotional experiences, of healing trauma. It does so much, this is why music is so important to humans.
@@tchocky71 I'm glad I could help! I got some of the information from a woman who plays music for nursing home residents. She said it's miraculous how they come alive when she plays music from their youth.💖
I remember when our high-school music teacher took a bunch of us to the opera. This was not something that was familiar to me, and it opened a new world in music to me. I didn't turn out to be an opera fan, but gave me a taste of something lovely.
I'm a professional pop musician in the Netherlands and here they now organize state-funded 'womxn songwriting camps'. Writing camps not for everyone, but only for songwriters who 'identify as a woman'. Last year they flew a whole group of 10+ from here to Brasil and this year they are going to Canada for a week, all expenses paid. That is not cheap I can tell you. Also those camps are mostly just for socializing and the songs that are being written are almost never commercially used in any way.
Sometimes I think I know more of the UK and the US than about my own country. I never knew this. Seems a total waste of my taxpayers money. And it is almost impossible to have music schools in many places.
The latter Doesnt matter; Art is actual matterless; and should fill that space.. easily. For No good reason but art for art sake. Art is a process; Expressing the human condition- and thats it.
10:27 This is why I do busking…I think 🤔 You can see this sometimes spontaneously appearing in people. A smile, a tear or just a moment were they connect to some part they didn’t found time for quite a while. I remember a situation were I was playing a great piece of art composed by a Croatian singer and songwriter Gibonni. The name of the song is “Udica” One day while I was playing the song, a little girl was passing by with her dad and her sister. I was sitting and so I was on the face level of the little one. On the second chorus of the song I managed to struck a note because I could see her lower lip tremble. As soon as I saw that I couldn’t hold my emotions together. It was an exceptional experience bc only I saw it. The huge impact of art and how it connects a beautiful story about lost sailors deep in the see( which for me is the greatest symbol of the unconsciousness of humanity) a random guy, and a small child expressing her understanding with her lower lip. I wrote about it in my diary thinking I will never share it but I think you should know what an amazing phenomenon playing music on the street can be. 🐠 P.S. the three of them returned later and the little girl was very happy. I was too.
Wow, this is such an important issue as a whole. Thanks a lot for covering this. This is exactly why I started Vinyl Culture!! Our mission is to protect ARTISTS & preserve the essence of MUSIC in a rapidly evolving world. 🤝🏼😊
@@ephre Thanks for asking. It's difficult to explain here in the comments. But, basically it's a new, community-driven approach to all aspects of the music industry; which will be free of AI & Algorithmic manipulation. You can find some more info on our New website!! (Link in youtube bio) :)
@@vinylculturemusic sounds cool, i'll have a look. AI is definitely posing a lot of problems, but i'm hoping we will be able to start using it in more artistic ways, rather than "here are some lyrics make it sound like this". I think if anything interesting ever does come out of AI it will be in a more conceptual style than what we are currently doing with it.
@@ephre You're probably right but the main problem is the current structure of the Music Industry. It doesn't allow much creativity in the first place; prioritizing trends, clik-through rates, profit etc. Now with the overwhelming (mediocre) content that is gonna flood the streaming scene & the internet as a whole, Art is going to lose its value & real, full-time artists won't be able to survive. 🤔
This has been going on in UK since the Arts Council was founded in 1946. Arts funding, particularly orchestral music, was then administered by a clique. Favouritism and corruption began to dominate and it has been that way ever since. This man is brave, and speaks the truth. "It has nothing to do with art."
Preach it, Samuel Andreyev! Terrific and reasonable defence of the value of the Arts. Oh my God - how important this message is and how rarely we hear it! The expressions of his interviewers are amusingly ...blank at times, as if they really don't get it!
When music gets you young, it has you for life. I cannot remember a time where it wasn’t the most important thing to me, it’s one of my earliest memories. That description of music as movement and pattern is so right. I never understood when people would say they love all sorts of music, but they meant just popular and maybe some classical. Then they showed no appreciation for salsa or jazz or polka. What I learned over time is that music was my earliest recognitions of pattern. I have Aspbergers and now recognize mathematical logic in music is just as beautiful as the sonic movements. Language is similar to me, Shakespeare wrote like a musician. The English culture is beautiful, sure the food is a let down, but everything else has been great for cultural progress across time, and the focus on art was likely key to its long lasting influence on the world. Whether the Ibiza guy recognizes it or not. I’m not English, I’m Mexican and we also have a love for language and music. What I recognize is that our lands, pre-columbian, had so much art and we are at a moment in time where we are trying to bring back some of those indigenous practices that focus on art and culture. This was a great interview because it shows how many of our issues are prevalent in every corner and we have to get to the point of actions instead of blame or questioning why it’s important. Art is not just important, it’s necessary.
The food is a let down!? Clearly you have never had a good Lancashire hotpot with a slice of homemade bread. Bland, well maybe (plenty of salt and pepper seasoning with a bit of pickled beetroot and good quality meat and potatoes is the key!), but very good and wholesome food nonetheless, especially on these cold winter nights... On a more serious note, I've found exactly the same thing as you with regards to music. People will say "Yeah, I have a rounded taste in music". And when I respond with something like "Oh, what's your favourite Tchaikovsky piece? What about Glenn Miller?" the response is nearly always "Chai-ya... who? Glenn Miller?". As you've said, most people don't have a rounded knowledge of music, even fewer have rounded tastes. Their idea of rounded taste is liking Queen as well as Katy Perry.
All my children love classical music because I've introduced them to it, we all have autism and it so good for downtime and different composers for your mood. Saw James Gallway and the magic flute that my mother took me too, when I played the flute, when younger. Spent hours in museums, my children love them an d my son's communication has greatly improved through music and the arts. Good you have done this. Arts for everyone
As a classical musician this attitude is the bane of my existence. “Wokeness” is not real. I have been performing and enjoying classical music for most of my life and but I ALWAYS hold space for other modes of music and expression. Whether that expression is contemporary pop, jazz, theater, French house music, electronic dance etc etc etc…. Art is communication. Art is an expression of oneself. No art is invalid even if you don’t like it.
I've been following Samuel Andreyev for some years now and just found out he was my countryman!? As a composer myself, I am proud to have that connection to him, be it trivial nevertheless.
Children are no longer taught literacy in the arts. When I was a child in the 50’s and early 60’s, our elementary school class was exposed to a series for children produced by Leonard Bernstein, the composer and conductor of the New York Philharmonic Orchestra. In the series, we learned the sound of each individual instrument and its family (woodwinds, brass) and its part in making up the sound of the whole. These days, I come across innumerable young people on music channels who cannot tell the sound of a saxophone from that of a trumpet. Musically illiterate through no fault of their own
I also think the continual inclusion of classical music in things like Looney Tunes cartoons very much maintained them in the public consciousness, as a shared deposit of cultural awareness.
Benjamin Britten wrote A Young Person's Guide To The Orchestra to introduce children to classical music. In the middle each section is played separately and then they all come back together.
These days Western academics use Schopenhauer's erustics as normal discussion method and Oxford University students can insult guests in discussion. Go see how they treated Ben Shapiro. If any student acted like this in my country, they would be removed from university for disgraceful behavior. Possibly with lifetime ban.
8:30 - Art, is either a guy without arms & legs hanging on your wall, or it’s a creative expression of ideas & concepts, either as representations of what actually is, or as reimaginings of what could be; and also as representations of different perspectives. It really is the essence of vitality and life.
36:00 - Music is energy, rhythm, vibrations, the synchronization of sounds to movements, moods, and feelings. It’s primal, it’s limbic, it’s emotional. It’s also mnemonic, a memory aid, and it can function on a subconscious level. One of the key components is the time signature or beat, so it’s also related to measuring and keeping time. This is important for the functionality and coordination of systems. Music provides regulation.
It is just as important for children to hear music as it is to read books to them. And I don't mean whatever popular stuff their parents listen to all the time (be it top 40, rap, or popular country). As a child, I heard choral music, old 78 rpm boogie woogie records, and classical. Plus what my parents played in the car.
I first became aware of Samuel Andreyev through his appearance on Jordan Peterson's podcast. I think I drew more lessons and value out of that podcast than most others I've listened to in the past ten years. Seeing Sam on this podcast (which I also very much like) brings me great joy. Thank you so much Triggernometry!
This was a true joy to watch and listen to. A most fascinating topic. Great questions and a very eloquent guest. There is something riveting about great conversation! Thanks.
This was great, even though it didn't get the views of more "popular" topics, I hope you realize this was a very important interview! Kudos to Trigonometry!!
Holy crap! What an incredible and surprising guest. A much needed break from the rotating cast of heterodox (can someone please put a fatwa on that word?) podcasters and substackers. Thank you for such a fabulous conversation about a topic that doesn't cause brain damage. We need more music in the world!
@@appsb4537 Agreed. It needed to be talked about. My jaw kind of dropped in the beginning of the conversation when Konatantin said, “in music? In composing?” and he honestly had no idea just how ridiculous things have gotten. They never got into it, but I wish they had, the discussion of how in the beginning of the Ukrainian war people actually were trying to cancel Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Shostakovich, and the like.
I'd never heard of Samuel before this interview, so thank you. Samuel is speaking about so much more than music and culture, he's effectively talking of dreams, of remembering and of forgetting, of creation, beauty, of marking time, of value, spirit, journeying and of truth of course. Woke culture doesn't care for any of those things, but thank God there are those of us who do. As a musician myself, I'm very glad to have been introduced to this man. I've just found and subscribed to his channel.
Wokeness is a zero-sum morality. One can only be privileged at another’s expense, and one can only be virtuous because another is deplorable. Wokeness is the morality of scarcity, and the scarcity of morality. The sublime and the transcendent is anaethema to wokeness because it can’t be quantified and divvied up to those we’re told are without. Beauty elevates us all, and compels us to recognize our shared humanity in a way social justice hectoring never could.
I visited a school where they were banging pots and pans. The teacher said it was "inclusive" and doesn't discriminate against people without musical skills. Great... so her solution is making sure no one learns anything therefore everyone is equal.
That's the leftard way. Just like when they stopped keeping score in kids' sports (1986), so no one would lose and get his feelings hurt. Yes, that's the reason given in the article I read back then, and the quote was from a woman, because of course it was a f& woman.
@@emilyadams3228 lol exactly. great point had forgot about that - I remember doing a teaching placement at school in 2003 where they played soccer but removed the goal posts for that exact reason. Insanity.
This is a perfect example of the essence of COMMUNISM !! Everyone equally on the same low ignorant level in all fields of society and life - except for the “holy” few elites at the top.
No. We do not know why music draws us so much. Or why music affects people in different ways. Musicologist discuss this extensively and there are also neuroscience studying it… and as with most things the more we study it the less we understand it. Music on a physical level engages all parts of the brain and the more senses you use to take the music in the more active your brain is. It also triggers the brain to produce dopamine and oxytocin and, conversely, it can also release cortisol if you are listening to unpleasant sounds. Music is an incredible mysterious medium that is not respected in the way it should be in our current culture. 35:01
as someone who spent a great deal of youth and adulthood in DIY punk communities, it's pretty flabbergasting to learn that the fine arts are essentially being forced to go down the same general paths of DIY although i don't entirely fault the state or the audience (or lack thereof), as some of the blame lies with us; we could've spread a wider appreciation for fine art instead of pretending that it's for snobs or dorks, lames, squares, whatever you want to call them i've been immersed in Japanese music of every kind for well over a decade now, and something that i've noticed is how closely fine art runs alongside the "underground"; sure, their fine art education in school is astronomically superior to most of the west's, but that education is often also directly applied to their lives after schooling. for example, there are plenty of fantastic composers who've worked directly with pop stars, some electronic artists commission full orchestra arrangements for their work. this dynamic is present even outside of music i don't know what the solution is for the west, but my first thought would be for fine art and punk/diy to get together and work toward the same goal: preserving our spaces and keeping them special/valuable, because lord is it necessary
As a “classically trained” composer I can identify with this. We do what we do because we have to, even if there is no recognition or financial reward. Most excellent interview.
The Arts are really important at schools for kids with disabilities and or conditions like Asperges, Autism, and ADHD. As it is where outside the box thinking is welcome, so they can find a way to function to the best of their ability and find direction, even if it is not within the Arts in the end. Some (mainstream) kids also just need something to be passionate about, to be motivated to work on, see themselves improve and then transfer that skill set to working at other skills to get work.
38:58 - Music or art is implicitly creative. Now, creativity can basically be of a synthesis of two forms: chaotic, open, or formless and ordered, bound, or structured. Many artists are unstructured and chaotic, and will be undisciplined and wildly experimental. Such tendencies are at much higher risk for exposure to harm. ANY creativity has an element of risk, but the propensity for exposure to it depends upon the natural tendencies of the artist in terms of methods of approach or lifestyle appropriate to their creative nature.
Samuel Andrey has some really great videos. I studied contemporary music a while ago and the scene is a mystery to me now, if there even is one. Definitely has a marketing problem, but then it's never been a genre welcoming to everyone, it likes being elitist and university focused. Samuel's the only contact I have with it.
@@classicalperformances8777 His music was censored to ensure it reflected "State values", he was deemed to be "anti-people" and he had to write propaganda film music.
@@eds-egg he did much MUCH better than other composers friends of his. He was treading the red carpet of treatment that MUDDLED MUSIC article at Pravda aside, which , if you ask me, matured him more than harmed him. psychologically of course the war did a number on everyone, imagine, nobody knowing whom to trust and whom not to. He helped as much as he could, during the Leningrad siege he was on the train out of Leningrad, the score was helicoptered inside the city for the few remaining players to play it so they can get food( mainly). He is by far not the example of punishment during that war. he was very privileged and he knew it and he was afraid for his family and friends so he, just as others, did compose some shit propaganda music, but much much more he composed brilliant music of his own volition that was celebrated even across the atlantic. he met celebrity, glory, safety at times of zero safety and did his best to help, but sorry, he is not one to feel sorry for or look up to for inspiration the way you mean it. ALSO: it wasnt the government that constantly persecuted the compsoers, it was the composers's union itself. pettiness with no end...what can you do. that exists even today in many countries, including my own
@@classicalperformances8777Stalin made sure he was ‘protected’ in the same way as Pasternak, but of course, neither of them knew that at the time, and they still suffered terribly, seeing their friends murdered and always expect others knock in the door…
@@robkeeleycomposer It seems Soviet filmmakers were given far more license than Soviet musicians or writers, likely because Stalin wanted to give the impression that the Soviet Union was at the vanguard of the arts and sciences. Those engaged in more traditional forms of cultural expression were far more stymied by “Soviet realism”.
Wonderful! A campaign for the fine arts in schools is needed. What ever they do in terms of creativity is so dumbed down that it makes me weep. Yet children always respond to beauty when they are presented with it. Fine arts = beauty of the mind and spirit.
Holy. Fuck! You're right. Now that I've noticed it, I can't unsee it... and it has me _enraged_ ! Lads, I truly had high hopes for you, but you've dashed them.
Speaking of engaging with people in the arts: Has Triggernometry ever tried to interview Salmon Rushdie? Having just finished his Meditations on his attempted murder, called Knife, There would be so much to discuss.
I'm only halfway through, but I hope they'll talk about the influence of mass culture on modern compositions considering that soundtracks have become so popular. I once attended a presentation of Holst's "The Planets" concerto by the San Diego symphony and there were plenty of empty seats, but a short time later John Williams conducted the same orchestra to perform his music from Jurassic Park and the place was packed.
Great answer for the question "why we need music", however there is also a psychological and evolutionary aspect to how we react to sounds and rhythms, to different frequencies as humans in general but also melodies and rhythms in relation gender. Very interesting topic with a vast amount of studies done by various experts
Thanks so much for this interview. Reminded me of the Masterclass scene from Tar. The concept of Art predicated on Identity, it degrades the art itself, in most cases. As if the quality of the art itself or the talent of the artist are secondary.
Great interview! I'm following Samuel for quite some time know. The story about Bach's amazing creative stream is hidden somewhere in the discussion about the technology of today. Try to have a week without looking at a computer or a phone screen on your free time, and see how much free time you will create.
Samuel is absolutely right about education. I thank my lucky stars that I was born early enough to have attended a primary education that included art, art history, music appreciation, drafting, wood shop, metal shop, and auto shop. Most American schools have ditched all of that in favor of critical race theory and gender ideology- plus the latter are cheaper to deliver. So, that's a win for our woke educators, but a loss for the students and our society at large. Within a few more generations that ignorant kid who said that the UK has no culture will be right about that across the western world.
Also grateful for same, as well as having parents and grandparents who had lots of books and encouraged us to read, family who played instruments and loved music and encouraged me to study it.
I'm grateful to have been one of the last to have that education in Australia. With the exception, as a girl I was learning household management, cooking, dressmaking and deportment. Not woodwork etc. From memory it all ended when feminists demanded boys and girls learn the same things.
Classical music will survive. There will always be musicians and listeners who are serious about music. The culture of expensive concerts in concert halls and theaters might dissapear, but that has become more of a social status thing for the upper class then it is about people being really exited about classical music. There will always be opportunities to perform chamber music in smaller venues, even if the days of subsidized experimental opera performances are over.
I disagree with the identity politics thing. For centuries, Italian opera has been known as just that--Italian opera. In music history courses, you learn about Bel Canto style, and which geographical location these styles originated--tradition and culture is important for art! Why shouldn't it be the same for African music, and music from non Western cultures? Should Gyorgy Ligeti be panned just because he drew upon rhythmic influences from West Africa? This is stupid.
My two favourite videos on RUclips of all time: Martin Henson's video about the pinhole camera and how blissfully easy it is to create an artful image without any monetary investment whatsoever and ... this..
There's no rush for Master works to be realised by the present world. There are still believers hidden here and there writing cantata every week for the upcoming generations to enjoy. This pop culture shall pass just like any previous ones...as long as the true elitists stay true to their mission in life, the Arts lives on.
If arts is so vital and so important to have it in the curriculum, how have people coped without arts for hundreds of thousands of years? This form of arts we know today the professional artist a a totally recent phenomenon. In the past (and still in many parts of the world) people just sing, dance together, play some instruments for their own use. I´m saying it as a professional musical theater singer/actor. This is a luxury of our developed societies, and I´m thankful for that.
Amazing interview! I'm so glad he made the distinction of art to entertainment. The art sphere has gotten too commodified and everything ends up revolving around if it makes money or not. It's killing the creative spirit
What he describes with everyone using the phone and feeling like part of the "we", I think that's more urbanization than it is tech. I felt that way in high school back before everyone was on smartphones all the time, and I doubt London lacks for population density.
the BBC commissioned a new work from composer Daniel Kidane called WOKE. It was premiered at the Proms but I wonder how many second performances it has received? (probably none).
I worked for several years in the performing arts in various capacities and eventually worked my way into France. Artists there are paid a salary by the state after a certain amount of hours are worked per year (around 600). I won't write a full description of the ridiculous state of affairs I witnessed there but fair to say the quality of many productions was clearly effected - companies producing ridiculously conceptual pieces that the audience literally walked out of continuing without a hitch - I was paid by that system myself for a couple of years. Point being, after seeing the joke that that created, I left a staunchly capitalist artist. I now live in a van and my work (here) is yet to draw a significant audience so I live on about £50 per week. This is how it should be... it pushes me, one day, if I produce something that strikes a chord, perhaps I will make some money, but until then, I am happy to retain my independence, learn to live on a tiny sum and improve my work... and though lacking capital, proud to call myself one of a very small set of capitalist artists.
Woah - good luck! Fascinating to hear how different we all live our lives. I can spend $50 before i even get to work in the morning some days. More power to you!
I’m pursuing my own personal artistic passions, and have no illusions I’ll ever be able to use them to support myself, for reasons of both the niche appeal of the end-products, and the eccentricity of my own work methods. There’s no shame in being an amateur or a hobbyist… some of the most fascinating art was made by such people!
Compelled to make it, eat it, breathe it and we'll, Live it! Maybe chosen by something to manifest a speck of the universe waiting to land somewhere! It's a great conversation thanks.
Creativity is about getting the balance right between creating somethings completely new and following the rules of a particular art form. Sadly these days BC of the over availability of media we are saturated with conventional art so there is very little room for creativity which is why particularly music hasn't really changed for 20 years.
Bach was a BEAST! Just for the cantatas: conceive the piece, write everthing down (individual parts probably copied out by others), rehearse the instrumentalists, rehearse the singers (soloists and choruses), rehearse everybody together. And do this EVERY WEEK!
It's rife, I've been making and performing my music for over 30 years and it's be ecome a huge thing, this over pre occupation with criteria, with about something, programmatic music. They seem to say it's the only way we can control, monitor public money that goes to the artists, but that is b.s. I would advocate, less arts administrators, jobs for the boys and girls and maybe have stipends for artists and a good network of promoters especially for more challenging musics, like mine. We used to have a wonderful organisation some nearly twenty years ago called Jazz Services, that was axed! Art, creations should be helped to a certain extent, infrastructures, like enough pianos for musicians, enough help to get around and some form of fee for their efforts
What does protecting art look like? Better security at museums, art galleries, and concert halls? Government subsidies? Government censorship? A government art agency with an Arts Czar? A government academy of the arts? Gun safety courses for artists? Less addictive substances for artists? More addictive substances for artists?
I see art as a language. Every anguage inarguably changes the lense in which one views the world. I tell my children, whom I am trying to classically educate, that language is the only magic I have to give them. It takes work and time to learn. It has the ability to make people feel emotion, transend time, create worlds and to stop and start wars. Konstanine once said that having a child made him view his life differently. I can't remember the exact verbage but in essance saying you become the bridge between the past and the future. I also see art is the language that is the thread that ties us to the past and the future, all while forming the present.
What a refreshing talk ! At last! . Its multidimentional. I've seen post grad scientists swapthe lab for the recorded @ uni in mid msc? Sounds are there in the womb at 26 wks the foetus responds to sound .see Occleford . 😊
my orchestra conductor (who is a wonderful conductor) has decided it's her mission to perform works by composers/performers/conductors from underserved communities. So over the last few years, we've performed all the Price symphonies, Colderidge works, lots of Jennifer Higdon...(which are great works, but not works which I want to play multiple times over a short period of time).
True dat. Music is the food of the soul and the stimulus for creativity and invention in other domains. We wouldn't have DaVinci , Galileo, Newton, Einstein without Mozart, Bach, Beethoven Vivaldi, Paganini etc
10:55, the "social cohesion" is, ironically, what a lot of Andreyev's ideas seem to be against, which is internet culture. That social language does exist, and I think many young people would argue it's internet culture. So, the extenuating analogy is, meme culture is 21st century Fine Arts.
It's important to understand the importance of film scoring. I believe there is a strong link between fine art and the film industry still. That is a great example of how it's woven into our daily lives. Imagine lord of the rings without Howard shore.
In literature, this is manifested in the idea that you can only write about what you yourself have experienced. So, more memoirs, less novels. This idea should be repugnant to all people who love literature. The entire POINT of being an outstanding writer is the ability to empathize with those utterly different from yourself. To think that a man cannot fully realize a female character or Vice-versa, stunts our expectations of literature as an art form.
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I don’t think music or art matters so much as it’s a marker for the success of a culture/society. It inspires, but that doesn’t mean anything without wealth.
Bizarre. Every generation of artists seems surprised to learn that there is a cost to taking money, and then instead of owning their own naivety they blame that other (religion, politics, social agendas).
Love all discussions around Art: are my favorite debates. Art is a useless process of expressing the human condition ❤… as a lot of other stuff. But we cant help it. So What to do 🤷🏻♀️
As a professional creative (writer/poet, not musician, but still), I'd like to take a stab at the drug question. Because, frankly, I think you asked the wrong guy. This guy doesn't look like he knows many people who do drugs. So, like Samuel said, there's an open mindedness that is required to be creative. That open mindedness makes one more inclined to participate in questionable activities with novel experiences. This means the door is already open to drugs, before they even become an artist. This much he explained. I wasn't always a professional writer. I used to have a day job. Then one day, I didn't. All of sudden, waking up at 8am was no longer a necessity of life. In fact, waking up at all was no longer a necessity of life. Unless I have a meeting with an editor or an agent, I define my own schedule. That is to say, my creativity does. So life sort of becomes a little whimsy. Now, combine an open door, a free schedule, and a whimsy lifestyle. What do you get? ... I'll let you know after I finish this joint...
There's posters for the African-American Shakespeare Company here in San Francisco. It touts it's performance with the preface: "Envisioning the classics with color". Why put "color" as a selling-point? Why see yourself as colored next to your fellow man? Won't this only emphasizes differences that will continue to divide people? It's disappointing that they can't see that.
I don't see an issue with that, since they're reaching an audience that would otherwise not be drawn to Shakespeare. It's no different than Balinese theater, Puerto Rican folkloric theater, Japanese Butoh, French commedia dell' arte, etc but being performed by groups that aren't usually associated with those art forms, like an all-Morrocan butoh performance, or hip-hop commedia dell'arte, or a Danish troupe doing Balinese theater. That ABSOLUTELY would be a selling point.
The case for fine arts should be that people are willing to pay for it. If people are willing to pay for it, it fills some void in some level of Maslow's pyramid and it is simply part of the wider economy. Some government support is fine if it can be shown that the net "economic" gain for society is positive. Just like it is fine for a government to fund road works and, indeed, education.
Cliff Richard and Elvis Presley were entertainers. The Beatles started as entertainers and evolved into artists. 1967 was the moment when popular music evolved from entertainment into art, where musicians in the popular music genre started to write music themselves, rather than using paid songwriters. This lead to a level of independent creativity that spawned other genres, such as Progressive rock, Jazz rock and metal etc. Entertainers became artists and flourished until the system fought back and created musical " pimps" like Simon Cowell, who fast tracked talentless wannabees into making vacuous drivel, which the shallow minded kids bought, this ending the mainstream creativity that we enjoyed in the 60's, 70's and 80's !!! Britpop fought back, but to no avail 😟
A theater author competes of course with Shakespeare and Camus. A novelist competes with Thomas Mann and Marcel Proust. A film maker competes with Tarantino but also with Buster Keaton. Thats life, I‘d say. Its not only a problem of composers.
a fascinating confrontation (not) of 'let's not acknowledge the elephant'... all art is political... because humans are political and art is a thing humans do... so...
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CHAPTERS👇
00:00 Trailer
00:29 Identity politics is debasing the arts
04:59 Art should be free from political influence
08:10 Isn’t art just a frivolous accessory?
11:39 Our arts education is bankrupt
14:06 Art should be made not used
15:22 Technology’s effect on music
17:22 American influence on mass entertainment
19:21 SPONSOR: Ketone-IQ
20:37 Is controversial art being censored?
23:30 The age of cultural giants is over
26:08 History of the musical repertoire
29:12 The insane genius of musical legends
30:22 The dangers of artistic ephemerality
32:50 The science of music
33:48 The irresistible compulsion to create
35:47 Why does music move us?
38:22 Mental instability among artists
40:05 SPONSOR: Chuck Norris Defense
41:09 Syd Barrett & Brian Wilson
45:04 Fine artists have disappeared from the mainstream
47:03 It’s now ‘elitist’ to promote technical ability
50:53 We no longer share an objective standard of skill
53:04 Samuel’s YT channel - filling the vacuum
55:55 What’s the one thing we’re not talking about?
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Nice interview, really enjoyed
Arts match the smarts 😐
Might his 2 yr old have been attracted to music before he was born.?
36; 21 because hearing & feeling sound vibrations are a pre( natal development; anti?) They precede sight and toutch ?
But Patterns manifest after the initial siunt
Wow, what a surprise to se Samuel Andreyev as your guest! I have been following his youtube channel for a long time and love it. This was an unexpected crossover for me, amazing! So nice!!
More surprise was the interview with him and jordan peterson
Same here
I only found his channel recently, so pretty funny to see him here now.
Found him out through Beefheart analysis too?
What a wonderful interview. He is so eloquent in how he describes art and music. This issue of art being held hostage to identify politics has infected every part of the arts. The Arts Council of England make artists jump through dozens of political and identity hoops that have nothing to do with the work itself if they are to have any hope of receiving funding.
Absolutely, and many high powered individuals at these arts institutions trebled their conversations (during c-vid to protect careers and look busy) about diversity, to the point that post pandemic it’s impossible for straight white males to find work. All done out of a disgustingly shortsighted mindset that existed before, but was ramped up to damage the average person before society realised it was a sham. My industry was destroyed by this, now I have no entry in, and it’s also collapsing with 23 year old women from diverse backgrounds doing jobs that traditionally were done by 40 year olds that spent decades to get there (for the record many were diverse before this). It’s awful.
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You also see the identity politics all over competitions and calls for scores. I almost think a person getting started in the arts should just hunker down for the time being, cultivate themselves in isolation, and wait for this nonsense to blow over.
It's the main problem of capitalism, it's a system that forces people to earn money in order to live and eat. Whatever you want to invest your time into, it needs to guarantee you a wage. Any form of art made in this context is kind of a hostage to money and the interest of any institution that can grant the money, being a State, a coorporation, an industry, a Label... You are not completely free to create art if you don't have money beforehand.
@@rodrigocautela.composerMUDDLED thinking on your part! It ISN'T CAPITALISM PER SE but rather PATRONAGE ITSELF that is the problem. Once you accept PATRONAGE you face the risk of losing your artistic FREEDOM! No TRUE CAPITALISM IS FREEDOM - AND NOT THE CORRUPT SOCIALISTIC/FASCISTIC CRONY CAPITALISM WE HAVE TODAY THAT SO MANY LAZILY CALL CAPITALISM WHERE THE STATE AND NOT THE FREE MARKET CHOOSES THE CAPITALIST WINNERS AND CAPITALIST LOSERS! HE WHO PAYS THE PIPER (IE THE STATE) CALLS THE TUNE!
Thank you for this discussion. As a classical musician and former classical music critic who saw the dread omens of identity politics coming for the arts some years ago (one reason I got out of the game), I can vouch for all that Samuel relates here. As a writer I've had to dodge efforts to place me in identity boxes (gay, cancer survivor, etc).
Sounds like the people with useless jobs destroyed art.
Sounds worse than the worst years of Soviet Union. Shostakovich might have been limited by the state for a few years, but still, the state supported his work and he made some the best musuc.
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Sounds like you have NO IDEA what real political terror and repression is like. Artists under Stalin lost their health, sanity, families and lives to the horrors of the regime. It was a nightmare. Even a quick AI search yields this, which only scratches the surface:
Stalin's efforts to control Soviet artists began in the 1930s. Tikhon Khrennikov was the head of the Union of Soviet Composers, who imposed "socialist realism" on Soviet music. The Soviet government used the Union to monitor composers' work and hand down official judgment. The penalty for disobedience was harsh, which could include distant imprisonment and torture in the Gulag (concentration and forced labor camps) for many years, if one survived at all.
Many classical artists were persecuted under Stalin, including composers, poets, and musicians. To list a few:
Dmitri Shostakovich: A composer whose work was denounced as "formalist" and "destructive to the state" by Andrei Zhdanov, a government official. Shostakovich was officially declared an "enemy of the people" and most of his work was banned.
Sergei Prokofiev: A composer whose work was criticized for embracing Western ideals. The sounds of his Romeo and Juliet were no longer played in Russian concert halls.
Sergei Yesenin: A poet whose work was forbidden to the public.
Pyotr Lechshenko: An artist who was branded as a hostile element.
Aleksandr Vertinsky: An artist who was branded as a hostile element.
And there were many more who suffered, most of whose names the general public will never know.
Congratulations on inviting Samuel Andreyev to speak! It's good news that you've given him a platform. All of us can benefit from his invaluable insights and perspectives. Honest, refreshing and much-needed. The great Jewish-Australian composer and critic once said: 'to understand a piece of art, you must always ask: "who paid for it?"'.'
That last comment might be even more true of the sciences than the arts!
Absolutely! In science - ‘Give me the incentive and I’ll give you the outcome.’
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Which would explain scientific "studies" by oil companies like Exxon decades ago that proclaimed there to be no evidence of man-made global warming. Or "studies" by tobacco companies which found smoking actually contributed to good health.
Music is processed by both of our brain's hemispheres at the same time. It stimulates our entire mind, our entire sense of self. It stays with us even when we have dementia and lose memory of almost everything else. Tribal peoples regularly sing together, it's a way of bonding as a group, of preserving memories and emotional experiences, of healing trauma. It does so much, this is why music is so important to humans.
Your comment just reinstated some hope in my mind and heart. Thank you!
@@tchocky71 I'm glad I could help! I got some of the information from a woman who plays music for nursing home residents. She said it's miraculous how they come alive when she plays music from their youth.💖
New music video! ... wait. Cloaks, candles, horns, pentagram, portal... AGAIN???
@@ChiefGore429fr though, these people are obsessed with their demons
@@ChiefGore429what does that have to do with what the OP wrote?
I remember when our high-school music teacher took a bunch of us to the opera. This was not something that was familiar to me, and it opened a new world in music to me. I didn't turn out to be an opera fan, but gave me a taste of something lovely.
I love Samuel's content! Never expected to see it, but it's great to see him on Trig!
I'm a professional pop musician in the Netherlands and here they now organize state-funded 'womxn songwriting camps'. Writing camps not for everyone, but only for songwriters who 'identify as a woman'. Last year they flew a whole group of 10+ from here to Brasil and this year they are going to Canada for a week, all expenses paid. That is not cheap I can tell you. Also those camps are mostly just for socializing and the songs that are being written are almost never commercially used in any way.
Sometimes I think I know more of the UK and the US than about my own country. I never knew this.
Seems a total waste of my taxpayers money.
And it is almost impossible to have music schools in many places.
Hear me. It is a cult. I know it. Trust me. See it like that. Spread the word that it is a cult.
Oh! Them again.... @@m4inline
I guarantee that this workshop will be “trans” inclusive ie men who call themselves women.
The latter Doesnt matter; Art is actual matterless; and should fill that space.. easily. For No good reason but art for art sake.
Art is a process; Expressing the human condition- and thats it.
10:27 This is why I do busking…I think 🤔
You can see this sometimes spontaneously appearing in people. A smile, a tear or just a moment were they connect to some part they didn’t found time for quite a while.
I remember a situation were I was playing a great piece of art composed by a Croatian singer and songwriter Gibonni. The name of the song is “Udica”
One day while I was playing the song, a little girl was passing by with her dad and her sister. I was sitting and so I was on the face level of the little one.
On the second chorus of the song I managed to struck a note because I could see her lower lip tremble. As soon as I saw that I couldn’t hold my emotions together. It was an exceptional experience bc only I saw it. The huge impact of art and how it connects a beautiful story about lost sailors deep in the see( which for me is the greatest symbol of the unconsciousness of humanity) a random guy, and a small child expressing her understanding with her lower lip. I wrote about it in my diary thinking I will never share it but I think you should know what an amazing phenomenon playing music on the street can be. 🐠
P.S. the three of them returned later and the little girl was very happy. I was too.
It's moments like this that make the training and performing and struggling that makes it all worthwhile. Thanks for sharing.
Wow, this is such an important issue as a whole. Thanks a lot for covering this.
This is exactly why I started Vinyl Culture!! Our mission is to protect ARTISTS & preserve the essence of MUSIC in a rapidly evolving world. 🤝🏼😊
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You have a label called vinyl culture? seems more like a shop name. And if you are a shop how are you protecting artists?
@@ephre Thanks for asking. It's difficult to explain here in the comments. But, basically it's a new, community-driven approach to all aspects of the music industry; which will be free of AI & Algorithmic manipulation.
You can find some more info on our New website!! (Link in youtube bio) :)
@@vinylculturemusic sounds cool, i'll have a look. AI is definitely posing a lot of problems, but i'm hoping we will be able to start using it in more artistic ways, rather than "here are some lyrics make it sound like this". I think if anything interesting ever does come out of AI it will be in a more conceptual style than what we are currently doing with it.
@@ephre You're probably right but the main problem is the current structure of the Music Industry. It doesn't allow much creativity in the first place; prioritizing trends, clik-through rates, profit etc. Now with the overwhelming (mediocre) content that is gonna flood the streaming scene & the internet as a whole, Art is going to lose its value & real, full-time artists won't be able to survive. 🤔
This has been going on in UK since the Arts Council was founded in 1946. Arts funding, particularly orchestral music, was then administered by a clique. Favouritism and corruption began to dominate and it has been that way ever since. This man is brave, and speaks the truth. "It has nothing to do with art."
Preach it, Samuel Andreyev! Terrific and reasonable defence of the value of the Arts. Oh my God - how important this message is and how rarely we hear it! The expressions of his interviewers are amusingly ...blank at times, as if they really don't get it!
When music gets you young, it has you for life. I cannot remember a time where it wasn’t the most important thing to me, it’s one of my earliest memories. That description of music as movement and pattern is so right. I never understood when people would say they love all sorts of music, but they meant just popular and maybe some classical. Then they showed no appreciation for salsa or jazz or polka. What I learned over time is that music was my earliest recognitions of pattern. I have Aspbergers and now recognize mathematical logic in music is just as beautiful as the sonic movements. Language is similar to me, Shakespeare wrote like a musician.
The English culture is beautiful, sure the food is a let down, but everything else has been great for cultural progress across time, and the focus on art was likely key to its long lasting influence on the world. Whether the Ibiza guy recognizes it or not.
I’m not English, I’m Mexican and we also have a love for language and music. What I recognize is that our lands, pre-columbian, had so much art and we are at a moment in time where we are trying to bring back some of those indigenous practices that focus on art and culture. This was a great interview because it shows how many of our issues are prevalent in every corner and we have to get to the point of actions instead of blame or questioning why it’s important. Art is not just important, it’s necessary.
The food is a let down!? Clearly you have never had a good Lancashire hotpot with a slice of homemade bread. Bland, well maybe (plenty of salt and pepper seasoning with a bit of pickled beetroot and good quality meat and potatoes is the key!), but very good and wholesome food nonetheless, especially on these cold winter nights...
On a more serious note, I've found exactly the same thing as you with regards to music. People will say "Yeah, I have a rounded taste in music". And when I respond with something like "Oh, what's your favourite Tchaikovsky piece? What about Glenn Miller?" the response is nearly always "Chai-ya... who? Glenn Miller?". As you've said, most people don't have a rounded knowledge of music, even fewer have rounded tastes. Their idea of rounded taste is liking Queen as well as Katy Perry.
All my children love classical music because I've introduced them to it, we all have autism and it so good for downtime and different composers for your mood.
Saw James Gallway and the magic flute that my mother took me too, when I played the flute, when younger.
Spent hours in museums, my children love them an d my son's communication has greatly improved through music and the arts.
Good you have done this.
Arts for everyone
Love this guy, have been a fan of his channel for a while. So glad you had him on.
As a classical musician this attitude is the bane of my existence. “Wokeness” is not real. I have been performing and enjoying classical music for most of my life and but I ALWAYS hold space for other modes of music and expression. Whether that expression is contemporary pop, jazz, theater, French house music, electronic dance etc etc etc…. Art is communication. Art is an expression of oneself. No art is invalid even if you don’t like it.
Wow!! Thank you so much for this interview! Loved and learned a lot from it! 😊
I've been following Samuel Andreyev for some years now and just found out he was my countryman!? As a composer myself, I am proud to have that connection to him, be it trivial nevertheless.
I’m amazed how similar his speaking style and hand gestures are to Jordan Peterson (they did an interview years ago.) Might be a Toronto thing?
Children are no longer taught literacy in the arts. When I was a child in the 50’s and early 60’s, our elementary school class was exposed to a series for children produced by Leonard Bernstein, the composer and conductor of the New York Philharmonic Orchestra. In the series, we learned the sound of each individual instrument and its family (woodwinds, brass) and its part in making up the sound of the whole.
These days, I come across innumerable young people on music channels who cannot tell the sound of a saxophone from that of a trumpet. Musically illiterate through no fault of their own
You're lucky to get a music video without open worship of Satan nowadays
I also think the continual inclusion of classical music in things like Looney Tunes cartoons very much maintained them in the public consciousness, as a shared deposit of cultural awareness.
Benjamin Britten wrote A Young Person's Guide To The Orchestra to introduce children to classical music. In the middle each section is played separately and then they all come back together.
@@DeflatingAtheism true, that
These days Western academics use Schopenhauer's erustics as normal discussion method and Oxford University students can insult guests in discussion. Go see how they treated Ben Shapiro. If any student acted like this in my country, they would be removed from university for disgraceful behavior. Possibly with lifetime ban.
Great interview. Andreyev has such a way with words.
8:30 - Art, is either a guy without arms & legs hanging on your wall, or it’s a creative expression of ideas & concepts, either as representations of what actually is, or as reimaginings of what could be; and also as representations of different perspectives. It really is the essence of vitality and life.
36:00 - Music is energy, rhythm, vibrations, the synchronization of sounds to movements, moods, and feelings. It’s primal, it’s limbic, it’s emotional. It’s also mnemonic, a memory aid, and it can function on a subconscious level. One of the key components is the time signature or beat, so it’s also related to measuring and keeping time. This is important for the functionality and coordination of systems. Music provides regulation.
Are you a drummer?
@@demonshelby1311 No. I have no sense of timing or rhythm. I’m a mathematician.
And you are a fluent writer 😊
@@amberredish93 Thank you. Of course, that’s why I make Tolkien’s trees sick. 😂 (Ent flu)
@@glenncox9128 drums is maths.
What a fascinating conversation. Hooked from the get go.
It is just as important for children to hear music as it is to read books to them. And I don't mean whatever popular stuff their parents listen to all the time (be it top 40, rap, or popular country). As a child, I heard choral music, old 78 rpm boogie woogie records, and classical. Plus what my parents played in the car.
I've been following Samuel's work for years, never expected this kind of crossover.
I luv Samuel! He’s so articulate, yet kind and humble 🤓🎶🎵.
I just couldn't live without the fine arts. There would be no point.
Reminds me of Trish's line in the film Educating Rita - "Wouldn't you just die without Mahler"!
Really?? You should try playing video games it’ll blow your mind 😉
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OMG, not
I first became aware of Samuel Andreyev through his appearance on Jordan Peterson's podcast. I think I drew more lessons and value out of that podcast than most others I've listened to in the past ten years. Seeing Sam on this podcast (which I also very much like) brings me great joy. Thank you so much Triggernometry!
Super happy to see you got Samuel Andreyev!
This was a true joy to watch and listen to. A most fascinating topic. Great questions and a very eloquent guest. There is something riveting about great conversation! Thanks.
Miles Davis was from a wealthy family and a student of Juliard school of music.
This was great, even though it didn't get the views of more "popular" topics, I hope you realize this was a very important interview! Kudos to Trigonometry!!
Holy crap! What an incredible and surprising guest. A much needed break from the rotating cast of heterodox (can someone please put a fatwa on that word?) podcasters and substackers. Thank you for such a fabulous conversation about a topic that doesn't cause brain damage. We need more music in the world!
Absolutely wonderful hour of thought and ideas.
Andreyev is a treasure for the modern music world.
Thanks Triggernometry dudes.
Konstantin is a fish out of water on this topic. Still, I’m glad that someone convinced him to do it. Nice video.
Both of them are. I appreciate the episode though
@@appsb4537 Agreed. It needed to be talked about. My jaw kind of dropped in the beginning of the conversation when Konatantin said, “in music? In composing?” and he honestly had no idea just how ridiculous things have gotten. They never got into it, but I wish they had, the discussion of how in the beginning of the Ukrainian war people actually were trying to cancel Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Shostakovich, and the like.
all the more appreciation and respect to him for doing this very needed interview.
I'd never heard of Samuel before this interview, so thank you. Samuel is speaking about so much more than music and culture, he's effectively talking of dreams, of remembering and of forgetting, of creation, beauty, of marking time, of value, spirit, journeying and of truth of course. Woke culture doesn't care for any of those things, but thank God there are those of us who do. As a musician myself, I'm very glad to have been introduced to this man. I've just found and subscribed to his channel.
Wokeness is a zero-sum morality. One can only be privileged at another’s expense, and one can only be virtuous because another is deplorable. Wokeness is the morality of scarcity, and the scarcity of morality. The sublime and the transcendent is anaethema to wokeness because it can’t be quantified and divvied up to those we’re told are without. Beauty elevates us all, and compels us to recognize our shared humanity in a way social justice hectoring never could.
I visited a school where they were banging pots and pans. The teacher said it was "inclusive" and doesn't discriminate against people without musical skills. Great... so her solution is making sure no one learns anything therefore everyone is equal.
That's the leftard way. Just like when they stopped keeping score in kids' sports (1986), so no one would lose and get his feelings hurt. Yes, that's the reason given in the article I read back then, and the quote was from a woman, because of course it was a f& woman.
@@emilyadams3228 lol exactly. great point had forgot about that - I remember doing a teaching placement at school in 2003 where they played soccer but removed the goal posts for that exact reason. Insanity.
This is a perfect example of the essence of COMMUNISM !! Everyone equally on the same low ignorant level in all fields of society and life - except for the “holy” few elites at the top.
This sounds like Ralph Wiggum saying he said hi to the baby that was made in the make out session a few seconds previously.
If you don't like that I promise you won't like Andreyev's music
Samuel Andreyev has still one of best Peterson and pageaus podcasts. 6 years on.
God Bless Radio 3! The great composers in your living room!
Bleeding chunks of some great composers, intermingled with utter dross.
@@BiblicalMumblings True, but at least it’s a way in for the beginner.
No. We do not know why music draws us so much. Or why music affects people in different ways. Musicologist discuss this extensively and there are also neuroscience studying it… and as with most things the more we study it the less we understand it. Music on a physical level engages all parts of the brain and the more senses you use to take the music in the more active your brain is. It also triggers the brain to produce dopamine and oxytocin and, conversely, it can also release cortisol if you are listening to unpleasant sounds. Music is an incredible mysterious medium that is not respected in the way it should be in our current culture. 35:01
as someone who spent a great deal of youth and adulthood in DIY punk communities, it's pretty flabbergasting to learn that the fine arts are essentially being forced to go down the same general paths of DIY
although i don't entirely fault the state or the audience (or lack thereof), as some of the blame lies with us; we could've spread a wider appreciation for fine art instead of pretending that it's for snobs or dorks, lames, squares, whatever you want to call them
i've been immersed in Japanese music of every kind for well over a decade now, and something that i've noticed is how closely fine art runs alongside the "underground"; sure, their fine art education in school is astronomically superior to most of the west's, but that education is often also directly applied to their lives after schooling. for example, there are plenty of fantastic composers who've worked directly with pop stars, some electronic artists commission full orchestra arrangements for their work. this dynamic is present even outside of music
i don't know what the solution is for the west, but my first thought would be for fine art and punk/diy to get together and work toward the same goal: preserving our spaces and keeping them special/valuable, because lord is it necessary
As a “classically trained” composer I can identify with this. We do what we do because we have to, even if there is no recognition or financial reward. Most excellent interview.
The Arts are really important at schools for kids with disabilities and or conditions like Asperges, Autism, and ADHD. As it is where outside the box thinking is welcome, so they can find a way to function to the best of their ability and find direction, even if it is not within the Arts in the end.
Some (mainstream) kids also just need something to be passionate about, to be motivated to work on, see themselves improve and then transfer that skill set to working at other skills to get work.
38:58 - Music or art is implicitly creative. Now, creativity can basically be of a synthesis of two forms: chaotic, open, or formless and ordered, bound, or structured.
Many artists are unstructured and chaotic, and will be undisciplined and wildly experimental. Such tendencies are at much higher risk for exposure to harm.
ANY creativity has an element of risk, but the propensity for exposure to it depends upon the natural tendencies of the artist in terms of methods of approach or lifestyle appropriate to their creative nature.
Samuel Andrey has some really great videos. I studied contemporary music a while ago and the scene is a mystery to me now, if there even is one. Definitely has a marketing problem, but then it's never been a genre welcoming to everyone, it likes being elitist and university focused. Samuel's the only contact I have with it.
you guys should venture into arts more and more, it is incredible what has been happening.
We should learn from what happened to Shostakovich.
what happened? what is there to learn?
@@classicalperformances8777 His music was censored to ensure it reflected "State values", he was deemed to be "anti-people" and he had to write propaganda film music.
@@eds-egg he did much MUCH better than other composers friends of his. He was treading the red carpet of treatment that MUDDLED MUSIC article at Pravda aside, which , if you ask me, matured him more than harmed him. psychologically of course the war did a number on everyone, imagine, nobody knowing whom to trust and whom not to. He helped as much as he could, during the Leningrad siege he was on the train out of Leningrad, the score was helicoptered inside the city for the few remaining players to play it so they can get food( mainly). He is by far not the example of punishment during that war. he was very privileged and he knew it and he was afraid for his family and friends so he, just as others, did compose some shit propaganda music, but much much more he composed brilliant music of his own volition that was celebrated even across the atlantic. he met celebrity, glory, safety at times of zero safety and did his best to help, but sorry, he is not one to feel sorry for or look up to for inspiration the way you mean it. ALSO: it wasnt the government that constantly persecuted the compsoers, it was the composers's union itself. pettiness with no end...what can you do. that exists even today in many countries, including my own
@@classicalperformances8777Stalin made sure he was ‘protected’ in the same way as Pasternak, but of course, neither of them knew that at the time, and they still suffered terribly, seeing their friends murdered and always expect others knock in the door…
@@robkeeleycomposer It seems Soviet filmmakers were given far more license than Soviet musicians or writers, likely because Stalin wanted to give the impression that the Soviet Union was at the vanguard of the arts and sciences. Those engaged in more traditional forms of cultural expression were far more stymied by “Soviet realism”.
They got an interview with the medic from team fortress 2
Wonderful! A campaign for the fine arts in schools is needed.
What ever they do in terms of creativity is so dumbed down that it makes me weep. Yet children always respond to beauty when they are presented with it. Fine arts = beauty of the mind and spirit.
Triggered by the lack of table mats for your cups.
Holy. Fuck! You're right. Now that I've noticed it, I can't unsee it... and it has me _enraged_ ! Lads, I truly had high hopes for you, but you've dashed them.
@@poissonpuerile8897 Having triggered people I was expecting to be hit with table top merch.
They don't respect wood.
Damn it, you were first:)
Triggered by "also aswell".
Thoughts and prayers for FF in his battle with the English language.
Speaking of engaging with people in the arts: Has Triggernometry ever tried to interview Salmon Rushdie? Having just finished his Meditations on his attempted murder, called Knife, There would be so much to discuss.
I'm only halfway through, but I hope they'll talk about the influence of mass culture on modern compositions considering that soundtracks have become so popular. I once attended a presentation of Holst's "The Planets" concerto by the San Diego symphony and there were plenty of empty seats, but a short time later John Williams conducted the same orchestra to perform his music from Jurassic Park and the place was packed.
Great answer for the question "why we need music", however there is also a psychological and evolutionary aspect to how we react to sounds and rhythms, to different frequencies as humans in general but also melodies and rhythms in relation gender. Very interesting topic with a vast amount of studies done by various experts
Thanks so much for this interview. Reminded me of the Masterclass scene from Tar. The concept of Art predicated on Identity, it degrades the art itself, in most cases. As if the quality of the art itself or the talent of the artist are secondary.
Great interview! I'm following Samuel for quite some time know. The story about Bach's amazing creative stream is hidden somewhere in the discussion about the technology of today. Try to have a week without looking at a computer or a phone screen on your free time, and see how much free time you will create.
Samuel is absolutely right about education. I thank my lucky stars that I was born early enough to have attended a primary education that included art, art history, music appreciation, drafting, wood shop, metal shop, and auto shop. Most American schools have ditched all of that in favor of critical race theory and gender ideology- plus the latter are cheaper to deliver. So, that's a win for our woke educators, but a loss for the students and our society at large. Within a few more generations that ignorant kid who said that the UK has no culture will be right about that across the western world.
Also grateful for same, as well as having parents and grandparents who had lots of books and encouraged us to read, family who played instruments and loved music and encouraged me to study it.
I'm grateful to have been one of the last to have that education in Australia. With the exception, as a girl I was learning household management, cooking, dressmaking and deportment. Not woodwork etc. From memory it all ended when feminists demanded boys and girls learn the same things.
American universities are DOOMED because of the DEI narratives.
Classical music will survive. There will always be musicians and listeners who are serious about music. The culture of expensive concerts in concert halls and theaters might dissapear, but that has become more of a social status thing for the upper class then it is about people being really exited about classical music. There will always be opportunities to perform chamber music in smaller venues, even if the days of subsidized experimental opera performances are over.
I disagree with the identity politics thing. For centuries, Italian opera has been known as just that--Italian opera. In music history courses, you learn about Bel Canto style, and which geographical location these styles originated--tradition and culture is important for art! Why shouldn't it be the same for African music, and music from non Western cultures? Should Gyorgy Ligeti be panned just because he drew upon rhythmic influences from West Africa? This is stupid.
My two favourite videos on RUclips of all time: Martin Henson's video about the pinhole camera and how blissfully easy it is to create an artful image without any monetary investment whatsoever and ... this..
One of my favorite interviews on the channel
There's no rush for Master works to be realised by the present world. There are still believers hidden here and there writing cantata every week for the upcoming generations to enjoy. This pop culture shall pass just like any previous ones...as long as the true elitists stay true to their mission in life, the Arts lives on.
This is the most eloquent and articulate man on the subject I have ever heard. Hands down.
Great shit here !😅 gives me hope that this creative crisis we find ourselves can and ultimately will be resolved
If arts is so vital and so important to have it in the curriculum, how have people coped without arts for hundreds of thousands of years? This form of arts we know today the professional artist a a totally recent phenomenon. In the past (and still in many parts of the world) people just sing, dance together, play some instruments for their own use. I´m saying it as a professional musical theater singer/actor. This is a luxury of our developed societies, and I´m thankful for that.
Unexpected collabo. Been watching Samuel since he was interviewing the Magic Band members years and years ago.
Amazing interview! I'm so glad he made the distinction of art to entertainment. The art sphere has gotten too commodified and everything ends up revolving around if it makes money or not. It's killing the creative spirit
What he describes with everyone using the phone and feeling like part of the "we", I think that's more urbanization than it is tech. I felt that way in high school back before everyone was on smartphones all the time, and I doubt London lacks for population density.
the BBC commissioned a new work from composer Daniel Kidane called WOKE. It was premiered at the Proms but I wonder how many second performances it has received? (probably none).
I worked for several years in the performing arts in various capacities and eventually worked my way into France. Artists there are paid a salary by the state after a certain amount of hours are worked per year (around 600). I won't write a full description of the ridiculous state of affairs I witnessed there but fair to say the quality of many productions was clearly effected - companies producing ridiculously conceptual pieces that the audience literally walked out of continuing without a hitch - I was paid by that system myself for a couple of years. Point being, after seeing the joke that that created, I left a staunchly capitalist artist. I now live in a van and my work (here) is yet to draw a significant audience so I live on about £50 per week. This is how it should be... it pushes me, one day, if I produce something that strikes a chord, perhaps I will make some money, but until then, I am happy to retain my independence, learn to live on a tiny sum and improve my work... and though lacking capital, proud to call myself one of a very small set of capitalist artists.
Woah - good luck! Fascinating to hear how different we all live our lives. I can spend $50 before i even get to work in the morning some days. More power to you!
I’m pursuing my own personal artistic passions, and have no illusions I’ll ever be able to use them to support myself, for reasons of both the niche appeal of the end-products, and the eccentricity of my own work methods. There’s no shame in being an amateur or a hobbyist… some of the most fascinating art was made by such people!
Compelled to make it, eat it, breathe it and we'll, Live it! Maybe chosen by something to manifest a speck of the universe waiting to land somewhere! It's a great conversation thanks.
In poetry - busting the technical side worked - very well!
If nothing else, big props for acknowledging the Kinks and the songwriting genius of Ray Davies!
We must teach artists the value of commerce, basic business practice. The Arts will be fine...
Yes that is necessary, but it is not sufficient.
I handled this with a theory of musical appreciation and no one pays attention. I can’t help more than this
Creativity is about getting the balance right between creating somethings completely new and following the rules of a particular art form. Sadly these days BC of the over availability of media we are saturated with conventional art so there is very little room for creativity which is why particularly music hasn't really changed for 20 years.
Bach was a BEAST! Just for the cantatas: conceive the piece, write everthing down (individual parts probably copied out by others), rehearse the instrumentalists, rehearse the singers (soloists and choruses), rehearse everybody together. And do this EVERY WEEK!
I imagine his house had to be stacked floor-to-ceiling with scores!
@@DeflatingAtheism well, it was definitely stacked floor to ceiling with children! LOL
Every week for most of the period 1723-26, an incredible stint of about 140 cantatas. But not every week of every year.
A voice of reason! 👏
It's rife, I've been making and performing my music for over 30 years and it's be ecome a huge thing, this over pre occupation with criteria, with about something, programmatic music. They seem to say it's the only way we can control, monitor public money that goes to the artists, but that is b.s. I would advocate, less arts administrators, jobs for the boys and girls and maybe have stipends for artists and a good network of promoters especially for more challenging musics, like mine. We used to have a wonderful organisation some nearly twenty years ago called Jazz Services, that was axed! Art, creations should be helped to a certain extent, infrastructures, like enough pianos for musicians, enough help to get around and some form of fee for their efforts
CONGRATULATIONS ON 1M!
What does protecting art look like? Better security at museums, art galleries, and concert halls? Government subsidies? Government censorship? A government art agency with an Arts Czar? A government academy of the arts? Gun safety courses for artists? Less addictive substances for artists? More addictive substances for artists?
Musician here. We are infested with ideaology.
Oh, again that ilusion of NOT having an ideology.
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Art is about ideas and culture. You're a fucking idiot. Why can't you losers just grow a pair and admit you're bad at art and a massive fucking bigot?
I see art as a language. Every anguage inarguably changes the lense in which one views the world.
I tell my children, whom I am trying to classically educate, that language is the only magic I have to give them. It takes work and time to learn. It has the ability to make people feel emotion, transend time, create worlds and to stop and start wars.
Konstanine once said that having a child made him view his life differently. I can't remember the exact verbage but in essance saying you become the bridge between the past and the future. I also see art is the language that is the thread that ties us to the past and the future, all while forming the present.
What a refreshing talk ! At last! . Its multidimentional. I've seen post grad scientists swapthe lab for the recorded @ uni in mid msc? Sounds are there in the womb at 26 wks the foetus responds to sound .see Occleford . 😊
my orchestra conductor (who is a wonderful conductor) has decided it's her mission to perform works by composers/performers/conductors from underserved communities. So over the last few years, we've performed all the Price symphonies, Colderidge works, lots of Jennifer Higdon...(which are great works, but not works which I want to play multiple times over a short period of time).
True dat. Music is the food of the soul and the stimulus for creativity and invention in other domains. We wouldn't have DaVinci , Galileo, Newton, Einstein without Mozart, Bach, Beethoven Vivaldi, Paganini etc
10:55, the "social cohesion" is, ironically, what a lot of Andreyev's ideas seem to be against, which is internet culture. That social language does exist, and I think many young people would argue it's internet culture. So, the extenuating analogy is, meme culture is 21st century Fine Arts.
It's important to understand the importance of film scoring. I believe there is a strong link between fine art and the film industry still. That is a great example of how it's woven into our daily lives. Imagine lord of the rings without Howard shore.
In literature, this is manifested in the idea that you can only write about what you yourself have experienced. So, more memoirs, less novels. This idea should be repugnant to all people who love literature. The entire POINT of being an outstanding writer is the ability to empathize with those utterly different from yourself. To think that a man cannot fully realize a female character or Vice-versa, stunts our expectations of literature as an art form.
Congrats on over 1 million subscribers! Just please remember people that have watched, liked, commented your uploads for the last years are also your supporters, try not to paywall so much content please
Beautiful, cogent demesne of the necessity of real music.
I don’t think music or art matters so much as it’s a marker for the success of a culture/society. It inspires, but that doesn’t mean anything without wealth.
only IF/when it's done badly.
Bizarre. Every generation of artists seems surprised to learn that there is a cost to taking money, and then instead of owning their own naivety they blame that other (religion, politics, social agendas).
Love all discussions around Art: are my favorite debates. Art is a useless process of expressing the human condition ❤… as a lot of other stuff. But we cant help it. So What to do 🤷🏻♀️
As a professional creative (writer/poet, not musician, but still), I'd like to take a stab at the drug question. Because, frankly, I think you asked the wrong guy. This guy doesn't look like he knows many people who do drugs.
So, like Samuel said, there's an open mindedness that is required to be creative. That open mindedness makes one more inclined to participate in questionable activities with novel experiences. This means the door is already open to drugs, before they even become an artist. This much he explained.
I wasn't always a professional writer. I used to have a day job. Then one day, I didn't. All of sudden, waking up at 8am was no longer a necessity of life. In fact, waking up at all was no longer a necessity of life. Unless I have a meeting with an editor or an agent, I define my own schedule. That is to say, my creativity does. So life sort of becomes a little whimsy.
Now, combine an open door, a free schedule, and a whimsy lifestyle. What do you get?
... I'll let you know after I finish this joint...
There's posters for the African-American Shakespeare Company here in San Francisco. It touts it's performance with the preface: "Envisioning the classics with color". Why put "color" as a selling-point? Why see yourself as colored next to your fellow man? Won't this only emphasizes differences that will continue to divide people? It's disappointing that they can't see that.
I don't see an issue with that, since they're reaching an audience that would otherwise not be drawn to Shakespeare.
It's no different than Balinese theater, Puerto Rican folkloric theater, Japanese Butoh, French commedia dell' arte, etc but being performed by groups that aren't usually associated with those art forms, like an all-Morrocan butoh performance, or hip-hop commedia dell'arte, or a Danish troupe doing Balinese theater.
That ABSOLUTELY would be a selling point.
@@_abracadabra The preface implies that Shakespeare can be re-interpreted with an African-American twist. How would you do that exactly? See my point?
The case for fine arts should be that people are willing to pay for it. If people are willing to pay for it, it fills some void in some level of Maslow's pyramid and it is simply part of the wider economy.
Some government support is fine if it can be shown that the net "economic" gain for society is positive. Just like it is fine for a government to fund road works and, indeed, education.
Cliff Richard and Elvis Presley were entertainers. The Beatles started as entertainers and evolved into artists.
1967 was the moment when popular music evolved from entertainment into art, where musicians in the popular music genre started to write music themselves, rather than using paid songwriters.
This lead to a level of independent creativity that spawned other genres, such as Progressive rock, Jazz rock and metal etc.
Entertainers became artists and flourished until the system fought back and created musical " pimps" like Simon Cowell, who fast tracked talentless wannabees into making vacuous drivel, which the shallow minded kids bought, this ending the mainstream creativity that we enjoyed in the 60's, 70's and 80's !!!
Britpop fought back, but to no avail 😟
A theater author competes of course with Shakespeare and Camus.
A novelist competes with Thomas Mann and Marcel Proust.
A film maker competes with Tarantino but also with Buster Keaton.
Thats life, I‘d say. Its not only a problem of composers.
a fascinating confrontation (not) of 'let's not acknowledge the elephant'...
all art is political... because humans are political and art is a thing humans do... so...