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Give Me an Answer - Are Men and Women Equal in the Bible?
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Program 3323 ................... - Bible - Faith - Money ..............
Recorded at The University of North Florida - October 2023
Join us in person for a Sunday service at 9:30amET at Grace Community Church located at Grace Farms (365 Lukes Wood Road New Canaan CT, 06840).
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
#Evidence #Christianity #Jesus #apologetics
Cliffe and Stewart need to be on the Joe Rogan Podcast
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100%…. And or William lane Craig
John Lennox.. as a tag team partner
Cliff being 69 & moving & talking the way he does is so awesome ! I hope to be like him when I’m older.
Me to if God will and able
I don’t know why I thought you mean 6’9 as in height 😂
His hair too
Except without the lies and misinformation I hope
Sixty nine isn’t that old , some people run marathons in their seventies , eighties and beyond.
These are the young that were raised in Christian homes but are being persuaded by their professors to leave the faith. That's how important this battle is.
I left the faith at 18 due to personal reasons. But years later I’ve wished to come back
@@medicisounds1384Jesus never leaves you friend just have to ask
@@medicisounds1384 you can always return
@@medicisounds1384John 3.17 my friend in Christ. Jesus did not come to Condemn.
I will pray for you.
Seek forgiveness. Accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour. It’s never too late to come back to Him that saves us from eternal damnation.
I left when I was in 7th grade. Because it was causing me a paranoia and OCD with fearing for my soul. I couldnt function. Im 29 now, about to be 30. Came back a year or so ago with better understanding from doing my own research on Jesus and also because I was at such a low point (still am) that I needed him in order to have the strength to not kill myself. He saved me. I wouldnt have been able to hang on without my faith in him. I didnt have a reason to.
I love how cliffe and stewart are mirror images of eachother in body languages and vocal cadence, its incredible, ive never seen so much likeness in two individuals.
They do the same hand gestures 😂and moves 🕺🕺
It’s almost like they are father and son
@@michaellemmen i know theyre father and son, i was just noting how alike they are in vocal cadence and body language. Im not like my father in vocal cadence and body language. Maybe you should process a little harder and deeper about what someone might be saying before you pop off with sarcasm thinking youre clever.
@@Dantes2888 thats what i was saying ! Haahaha like talk about apple not falling far from the tree indeed ! Lol
He’s training him to continue his legacy after he’s gone
Equal in value, different in purpose. It's simple as that.
Love that… that is exactly spot n
Exactly spot on!
Preach
There’s a reason why men and women are made the way we are
@@dragonmajesty7923 yeah, evolution
I thank Jesus Christ for you both. It makes me so happy to see a father and his son working together for God's glory. Cliff, you are a really blessed person. It is true happiness to have a family loving God and living for God as much as you do. I pray God to have such a family too. God bless you!
Why don't you ever thank Vishnu Krishna or Shiva? At least those Gods never threw a genocidal temper tantrum rage flood drowning all the babies
@@hibbo1351 LoL they don't even exist you won't find khrisna/Buddha when you go to heaven you will only see Jesus Christ of Nazareth
@@hibbo1351 LoL they don't even exist you won't find khrisna/Buddha when you go to heaven you will only see Jesus Christ of Nazareth
@@GLZenitsuAgatsuma I don't believe in Hinduism any more than I believe in christianity. Why don't you go convince a billion Hindu is that they're all wrong and then we can talk about your imaginary friend
@@GLZenitsuAgatsuma I'm guessing shortly after you were born your mommy and daddy labeled you as a Christian and then dragged you to your weekly indoctrination fairytale meetings. You were indoctrinated Junior
I’m so glad he brought up Luke 14 25, I literally walked away from my Bible 3 days ago because I could not understand what it meant. This was needed man thank you🤝
God did
@@jimmymadeit.1992 😂😂 GOD DDIIIID🫡
Historians and academics have argued that the earliest of the gospels was written about 50 years after the death of Christ, with some arguing as early as 10 years after His death. For comparison, what we know about Alexander the Great comes from writings about him that were written at least 300 years after his death. The Bible has the shortest period between event and writing about the event among all the major historical writings of antiquity.
Perhaps sooner given the pre-confessional form seen in Paul's creed in 1 Corinthians. This is perhaps the closest document we have to Jesus's death and resurrection.
@@garrettfish8471There are clues in Acts of the Apostles that it was written as early as 62 AD, Which would make the date of Luke’s Gospel 59-60 AD. We could be looking at mid 40s to early 50s for the dating of the first gospel written, which would be either Matthew or Mark. There’s evidence for both being first.
@@michaelshannon6558 It very well could be. Depends on whether you're a stickler for traditional authorship or a little more lax on the historical-cultural position.
Except for writings in Genesis, some of which literally detail events (e.g., the flood) LONG after the events supposedly occurred.
The difference is that Alexander the great doesn’t affect my personal life like you say jesus does. I won’t be damed if i don’t believe in Alexander is what i mean. I also have a question can you prove that gospel writers were eyewitnesses.
Beautiful father/son ministry
I just want to say that I’ve been watching these videos for a couple of years now and have learned so much. You guys have a wonderful ministry and I love your approach. I love that you say not to put your faith in any religion but to put your faith in Jesus Christ and the gospels.
Like wise😂
Man i want to meet this great father and son duo one day
"Husbands, love your wives". Husbands, lead your wives in righteous humility. Support her spiritually, emotionally and financially. Put her best interest ahead of your own. "Wives, submit to your husbands". Wives, trust and submit your burdens onto your husbands.
Absolutely right.
We each have our place and power. Both need to recognize what role the other is designed to play. More simply, the Bible says, two become one❤🙏🏽
Exactly
Exactly! Men and women are NOT equal...
Not equal anatomically.
Not equal genetically.
Not equal biochemically.
Not equal psychologically.
Not equal emotionally.
Not equal socially.
Not equal relationally.
Not equal intellectually.
Not equal historically.
Men and women were never meant to be "equal." They are supposed be something far more than that...
They are COMPLIMENTARY to each other. Men need women and women need men. They were never meant to compete against each other. That's a madness born from the fault of Relativism/Liberalism.
The decay between the relationships between the genders is the direct fault of the secular relativists and Cultural Marxists. Evolutionism is also to be blamed here, as it strips away the divine nature of humanity, to replace that with a toxic mixture of hedonism and nihilism.
submit mean accept his authority. "submit your burdens" is not what the Bible says in this passage. What burdens are you referring to?
I always have a blast watching Cliffs and Stuart. Blessings from Orpington London
Same. Greetings from another Orpingtonian! 😊
I must point out that in scripture God does call some of his followers to be pastors.
Ephesians 4:11-12 (KJV) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
He calls but He also defines the roles men and women are to play spiritually.
@obedbatchu May God bless you as well my Brother.
We're all called to witness and edify others with God's word, and especially to pray for others and ourselves continuesly.🙏
Also, mention it throughout the book of Jeremiah (KJV)
I’m glad someone else pointed this out!… I’m in the road right now, but I’m going to say something too cause it didn’t sit with me well, but I do nonetheless appreciate the ministry of this dynamic duo!!! 🙏
The bible is shown to be the word of God through prophesy
about half of it is prophecy some which are still waiting to be fufilled. alot of it is history that has already taken place tho
Very true.
Very true
Look into confirmation bias, if there is a prophecy, and you're actively looking for proof of that prophecy, you're going to find something. Im not saying this means the bible is wrong but it's not a good argument for its validity.
@@Utopian1234 I'm very aware of confirmation bias but there are plenty of prophesies that can't be explained away with confirmation bias. Like Daniel 9, Isaiah 53, psalm 22. Anyone who is seriously looking for the truth will find it.
Eph 5:28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; He who loves his wife, loves himself.
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. - 1 Timothy 11-12
I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but I would like to hear how this passage is rationalized
@@MrFartinacanyou should look at Frank Tureks explanation of it!
@@MrFartinacan the whole passage is about modesty.
Apostle Paul is giving to Corinthian church.
@@MrFartinacanthis is what happens when you don’t STUDY the scripture and just read it with your own poor understanding. Consider the context and time, who it was written to at the time and why. What was happening at the time? Study the scripture in depth before you hurt people with it.
@@TamzyPre Oh okay! Please forgive my ignorance. Maybe you can help me interpret the bible better. In the book of Joshua, god orders his people to sack and seize Canaan on account of their child sacrifice practices. Ironically, however, he orders them to slay the women and children as well! There is also Exodus in which God kills the firstborn of all unmarked homes. Can you please give me the contextual rationalization of slaughtering children en masse, the thing we consider most evil?
Also, how does the "of the time" argument work? God is infinite in time, so his actions and doctrine will always be as the bible say. And it happens that many commands, actions, and laws of the bible world be seen horrendous and evil by today's standards. Bit of an oversight for an all-knowing, all-powerful being isn't it?
I truly respect your ability to do what you do, may gods grace forever be with you threw your trials and tribulations.
“Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;” -1 Corinthians 13:4-5 ESV
i love the tag team duo. GOD BLESS YOU BOTH
God Bless everyone❤
Go Cliffe! A God blessed endeavor
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hel
@@JesusisGodandKingofkimgs amen❤❤🙏 you ain't lieing
I love how respectful everyone is in this video...🙏🏼
This is AMAZING & so EDUCATIONAL… ❣️
Genesis 5:2
"He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created."
Genesis 5:2 (KJV) Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Every word is important in order to fully understand the word of God and the hidden spiritual mysteries in the word. This is why man is not to add or take away from the word of God. Every word is important and key, and should never be replaced with another word. Get a KJV Bible.
@@obedbatchu
Amen!
@@NarrowPath7
Amen!
John 3:3🕊
@@NarrowPath7stop being divisive brother
I thank God for y’all I pray you guys continue to the work your doing . God willing
Love when cliffs uploads
CHINESE Christian RIGHT HERE, STUDYING THEOLOGY AND Philosophy
Cliff won't teach you how to demonstrate on a chalk board using logic science 101
Law of contradiction A is B, illogical impossible contradiction. This formula with produce the ABSOLUTE EXISTENCE OF GOD. Lets plug data into formula and critically evaluate result.
A is B will reveal absolute error
A is non conscious non intelligent non being caused the effect of
B conscious intelligent being in the universe
See how simple? Atheists must admit God must logically exist, because it is impossible for non conscious non intelligent non being to a conscious intelligent universe that is alive.🎉😂❤
All the power to you.🙏🇪🇹
I really love what you guys are doing thru your ministry. You take on some of the questions that are difficult to answer as a Christian. I really appreciate your knowledge and compassion, too. Great work!
Have a good one! Awesome Vid!
I’ve seen so many of your guys video recently and this is the best one so far, I had similar questions that I was pondering and looking at the bible. I am a new Christian in 2023, technically I’ve been a Christian since I was born because my mom is a Christian but in 2023 I actually feel like I became a Christian and understanding more of what it means to have a relationship with Jesus and reading more of the bible.
Amen! keep reading 🙏🏽
Find the true story of Nicodemus in the Bible. None of us are born Christians, we are born sinners, in need of saving. Jesus said we must become "born-again". Then look up the verses that make up the Romans Road to Salvation and read those. I think it will help you a lot!
@@lindenpeters2601 I read John and now all the Gospel. I guess I worded it incorrectly. I meant like I grew up as a Christian and always believe in Jesus but in 2023 I really started to deep dive in. Now reading the Bible everyday and Praying and listening to worship music more and knowing more about the crucifxion and reading more of Jesus's message. Sorry.
Amen. I am so happy to hear to both of the. God bless them.
I've always wanted a son for probably selfish reasons, but if my son and I were ever similar to you and Stewart then I'd be so happy in this finite life. You are a great father Cliffe
I love when they post ❤❤❤❤
You guys are doing a Great job God bless you
Watching from Pakistan ❤❤❤❤
I am a woman (just a girl), and I've always felt the calling to the missions, so I've worked towards that all my life, and when I talk about it people say I gotta marry a missionaire so I can do that, I know it isn't like that, but it's really comforting to hear this from other people than me and my parents, I was kind of starting to doubt whether it was even possible for me to be a missionaire being a woman. Thank you so much
God bless you Cliff and Stewart for talking to students about Christ and Gods teachings...🙏🙏🙏
Great episode, thanks
Ephesians 4:11 does mention pastors as a part of the 5 fold ministry.
Cliffe thank you so much for what you do. Listening to you gives me more confidence to defend my faith.
Love the discussion on supposed contradictions. My pastor has shown us some really cool things in passages that appear to not line up. For instance, in the span of the Resurrection morning, a lot of things happen: visits by various disciples, one angel versus two, the women reporting to the men, Jesus telling Mary to tell Peter He's risen, etc. The timeline is intriguing. Now, whenever I come across "contradictions", I get excited because it means there's some neat gem just waiting to be found.
Recent videos about Christian apologetics did get me going about how the Bible really is like a big puzzle mystery novel where while learning good morals you also try to piece things altogether and find something you weren't able to find before.
Great vid 👏🏽👏🏽
Timeline 5:05. WOMEN...
Actually no, the bible does not say Phoebe was a preacher/teacher, it simply says she was a servant.
And no, disciples are not leaders, we as Christ followers are called to be a disciple of Christ.
They state the word "pastor" is not in the bible, correct, however where do we get the word pastor from,
The word "pastor" derives from the Latin noun pastor which means "shepherd" and is derived from the verb pascere - "to lead to pasture, set to grazing, cause to eat".
The term "pastor" also relates to the role of elder within the New Testament and is synonymous with the biblical understanding of minister. The term Pastor, Shepherd, and Elder are all the same position.
They use the term "sexism" as to deflect from having equal positions. By using "being made in his image" and using it as having equal value is correct, however, values for male and female are not the same as the spiritual roles God calls each gender to play. And Cliff and his son will use the secular system "job-wise" as to mediate the roles for men and women spiritually. This is so wrong. While women are capable of handling most male positions, this does not mean she is called to teach and lead the church. Ability does not grant permission. In our modern culture too many twist the word of God in order to satisfy an ability or talent, or even an education.
A woman can participate in prayer, prophecy, testimonies and singing. She is permitted to learn in all submissiveness and quietness. When Paul calls on women to be quiet, it is reference to learning God’s Word under the submission/authority of man and inquiring further at home if there is a spiritually mature husband, if not then biblical spiritual oversight should be sought. Because of specific commands she is not to teach nor pastor men or women, nor carry any authoritative position in church.
She can serve administratively, but not authoritatively. Teaching is an authoritative role in church no matter who’s in attendance. Some may ask then why are women permitted to teach kids Sunday school? Bible stories, arts and crafts/coloring books are not exegetical teaching from scripture, especially in a public domain.
I totally agree with your statements! I’m a 35 year old female and I’m raising 2 young daughters in such a way that will hopefully lead them to hold this same truth. Most people I know say this will someday make them feel less than. I say no- it is empowering. To know where your God given power actually lies means you can learn to use it to better your life. That is empowering.
The only thing I would add to what you said is that even in the workplace there are many jobs that a woman can’t do as well as a man, or simply shouldn’t do for her own safety. (Which I think you eluded to) This is simply because God also physiologically designed us different. Many women I know feel I’m wrong and will point to the rare exception to this rule.
@@saragrace1258 Great to hear.
We are never at fault for staying within the council of scripture.
Too many times others read into the text what is simply not there.
It's by design why Jesus chose men (males) to train up and have the ability to preach/teach,
exegete the Word of God. Even the apostles knew, when it was time to
replace or appoint, it was always men/males.
Now I will say women were used in the ministry in the N.T, and some even died for their faith.
However, their service was never in leadership/authority positions, nor did they teach.
Any service she was involved in, was under the direction of the apostles and male headship.
There is not one example in the N.T of a woman preaching/teaching the Word
publicly to a group whether mixed, all women or all men.
In Titus Paul allows the older women to train the younger in the area of home rearing.
How to honor and love their husbands at home while raising their children in the admonition of the Lord.
This is not popular message in today's culturally driven church.
Many get offended and call you names (misogynist etc) by pointing out the specifics in scripture
on the subject.
I have heard all the excuses others run to in order to find a loophole, dig up an O.T scripture (out of context),
even use God's grace as permission for women to preach and teach the Word.
Trust me, I've heard women preach the Word often times more consistent than a man.
Still, the ability of one to do a task (spiritually speaking) is not cause for one to have the
permissions to do so. Just because you can, does not mean you should.
If you do, you yourself bring God's judgement upon your life.
And it's not just about women on the matter.
Not all men (Christians) are called to teach/preach.
1 Cor 11:3, But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.
Many believe this role of authority stops at the doors of the church. That a woman can lead and minister.
Some will even say, "will as long as the headship is male, and as long as that headship gives the woman permission, she can preach".
This is how the scriptures are so easily corrupted.
Just as the Jews added many rules on top of the already given Mosaic Law, so goes with the
N.T male church leadership, adding new scripture on top of the Word.
Paul states the spiritual roles that men and women exemplify in the body of Christ are “foundational pillars” when it comes to church behavior and truth, 1 Tim 3:14-15. “I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these things to you so that, if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.”
1 Tim 2:11-15 beautifully parallels 1 Cor 14:33-40.
As in both passages the woman should learn under submissiveness of the man.
It's not that the male is any better than the female or have any less faults.
It's only by design. God's design.
However, Junia is an apostle. And Priscilla taught. She also preceded Aquilas her husband in mentions. There is an elder lady that John addresses his epistle to. She was clearly a leader. Women can teach.
Those verses where the women are asked to be quite are not really reliable because early scriptures didn’t have it.
@@nehneh5488 no my friend Junia was not an apostle, Priscilla never taught, and the elder lady you mention was never a leader. Good try though.
@@nehneh5488I agree. Women can teach…other women per Titus 2:3-8:
the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things- 4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
Women can pray and prophesy as well
They make it make sense more than any other online pastor. They both take the time to break down the information and talk it all out with critical thought. If Cliff or Stewart ever come to our universities, I would love to sit in on their conversations.
This was powerful. Especially the part about money. Eye opener
Men and women are both children of God. They’re equal AND not equal. Equal in their role to serve God, but not equal in how they do it. Both have gender-specific roles. Regardless of our biological differences, we are to be in harmony with one another. It’s a sin to undermine your wife. It’s a sin to undermine your husband. God created this system to be a perfect partnership. The Great Fall tainted this system. We are all forgiven. However, we all have a righteous duty to be vigilant of sin so that we don’t fall victim of an already and more sinful and corrupt partnership.
Lord have mercy. ❤️
"Equal in their role to serve God, but not equal in how they do it" love that!
We are absolutely not equal, there are things I can do that she can't and things she can do that I can not-
@@slickbill9488and yet there are things she can do that you cannot. So show me a Bible verse that says we are not equal? Because I have quite a few to show that we are. Men and women are most definitely equal, but not the "same."
@@zzzkomorebi Even from their creation they are unequal. Man formed from dust of Earth, in the like ess of God and woman formed from Man in the like ess of Man.
@@SurR3AL392 Genesis 1:26-27 (KJV) "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:.... male and female created he them."
WARNING to the uninitiated: BEWARE of the resident trolls of this channel!
1. BonnieUK43
2. JasonNoble
3. Theo_Skeptomai
4. John Cashin
5. Mirandahotspring4019
Engage... or rather, attempt to engage them, at your own discretion. But I promise you, endless circles, deflection, obfuscation, and pleading the 5th is all you're gonna get from them. (Proverbs 1:22, 18:2, 29:9) Just FYI.
I second that, they have been trolling for a while now.
Best to just ignore them.
I've been watching AskCliffe videos for many years now. You've hit the nail on the head!
I agree with the sentiment but the only true and complete waste of humanity on that list is bonnie43uk.
The rest are not open to God but are useful as tools of instruction.
Bonnie43uk is only useful to demonstrate what a user of human beings looks like in the wild.
Bonnie43uk is a time vampire.
Thanks for this comment. It's like an offender list to warn the warriors of Christ. (2nd Timothy 2:23)
You are an awesome teacher! I wish I were there in person to hear you both preach. You would be a great mentor for me. God bless you both always!🙏
So Beautiful the way Jesus connected both of you, besides being father and son, the connection you guys have it are admirable.
Well done, God bless you both 🙏🏽
5:12 Stewart says Phoebe was trained to be a teacher, a leader speking to men. That is not true and is by best an assumption.
Phoebe is only mentioned in Romans 16, 1-2, and she is described as a deacon and a sister. A deacon is described as a servant or a minister. So for Stewart to call her a leader and teacher for men is very stretched.
And then he goes in to talk about an "ancient manuscript" describing a disiple being tortured. Again he is stretching, by also pointing to non Biblical texts. I think this is weak.
@@cortexentthe Bible is written about God / Christ. He is the center focus. What happened to the disciples is of lesser importance. If the history of the disciples is taken from secular or external writings, it has little effect on the message of the Bible.
The Bible definitely makes it clear that she was servant to the church, and the scripture makes it clear as well that she was a helper to many- but it never states that she was a teacher to anyone. I know he meant well but this is how scripture can be misinterpreted.
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also. Romans 16:1-2
@@BenReese For sure, there is undoubtedly what is and shall remain the focus of all of our efforts - Christ in the center.
In this particular scenario I feel convinced that man and woman, being valued equally, still have their differences. Even after Jesus coming and fulfilling the law. I am lead to have a thought pattern distinguishing between the two sexes.
Yeah this is were i disagreed with Cliff, but i love what be does as the a brother in Christ.
We are not equal in our callings ❤ Equally loved, not equal in our work.
That was beautiful. Especially the ending ❤
I really do love your videos. I just started watching faithfully. It encourages my faith so much to evangelize. I will say, just as some feedback, the word 'pastor' is in the Bible Ephesians 4:11-13 (KJV)💛
Y'all rock!
Thank you!
What about 1 Timothy 2:11-12 I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man/ is it Not Paul who is describe different role for men and women in the Church
Paul said "I do not permit"! He differentiated it from God's permission.
@@GreatBehoover That's a horrible way to approach scripture. In v9-10 of 1 Timothy 2 Paul uses the same expression to say "I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God." Paul says this as his opinion which is also God's opinion. Everything Paul said in his letters was given to him by the Spirit (Gal. 1:11-12).
@@kristiannorved704
Where exactly does he say it is "God's opinion"?
Why would it be differentiated here if it were God's opinion? Why would Paul feel the need to show us this is NOT OF GOD but rather his own opinion... if it wasn't exactly what God wanted us to understand?
THINK!
What you just said is blasphemous. God never says humans have the opinions of God. Was it also God's will for David to marry multiple women? Was it God's opinion for Abraham to lie to Pharoah about hos wife? Just because they did it does not make it God's Word.
One other problem. God has ZERO "OPINIONS". God doesn't need them. He is 100% TRUTH.
@@GreatBehoover no my friend, when it comes down to gender roles and behavior in the church, Paul received his teaching from Jesus himself, as he states "the things I write to you are commands from the Lord".
@@heymichaelc
Paul is referring to women having conversations (likely even about the prophesies as well) causing a disorderly chatter in the curch. He said to stay silent and ask your husband later about the meanings. This entire passage's section has to do with ORDERLY worship! He even tells certain men to be silent as well here. It is not a ban on Women speaking in church. It is a ban on disorderly chatter or conversations. Remember that church was far more unstructured at this time. Paul had to teach them how to behave to be most beneficial.
Remember that in chapter 11, paul speaks of women prophesying and praying.
Remember he is settling on ORDERED WORSHIP innthese chapters. When you take chapter 14 out of context with the WHOLE of Corinthians, you are in danger 9f imposing YOUR interpretation over the scriptural context.
Careful with that!
God bless this man. Over many years he has challenged the thoughts of many many young people and planted seeds for Christs namesake. I'm certain many youth listening or talking to Cliff have gone away provoked in their spirit to search out the truth and reliability of what Cliff says about God and the ' one in whom he sent', Jesus. Amen brother. ❤😊Praise Jesus
FOUND THE WORD PASTOR IN THE BIBLE: Ephesians 4:10 He, the very one who descended, is also the one who ascended above all the heavens, in order to fill all things. 11 And he himself[l] gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,[m] 12 to equip[n] the saints for the work of ministry, that is, to build up the body of Christ
I dont know what Stuart is referencing ..but Pastors are definitely mentioned in the new testament.. Ephesians 4:11
Yeah, the word is shepherd and has many of words used interchangeably for Pastor including Elder and is clear that woman should not hold that role. But they can hold many others.
Anyone can be a Pastor. God’s gift is not gender based!
e.g I ask, Can a woman pastor women?
Can a woman pastor young boys and girls?
Can a woman Pastor a man who is a young Christian?
Can a woman lead people?
If a woman can lead a Fortune 500 company, raise kids etc?
The can do anything.
Paul’s writing to the church on this regards is a Pastoral injunction to avoid conflict in the church.
I would recommend we consider these issue in it context of time and attempt of Paul to resolve issues.
@@georgeodiana I hear what you are saying. If you use the term "Pastor" as a verb and you are saying it means to spiritually lead someone, care for them, and love them, then yes I would agree with you that is a role woman can and do have in many ways.
But the word is used in the Bible as a specific role of leadership in the church. That role does include the verb "to pastor" it also includes other responsibilities that Paul is clear a woman should not hold.
I also think it's dangerous to say "consider these issue in it's context of time." If you mean by that; Paul was influenced by his culture and therefore we should change what he meant I think that's a dangerous stance to take.
The Bible is clear that is written by God and the authors we "carried along by the Holy Spirit." If we truly believe that we have to say God wrote what He wrote and He meant it to be truth for all times and places regardless of culture. Culture is always going to change, and that change comes largely from Satan because the Bible tells us He is the god of this age. So we should always we careful about reading culture into biblical truth.
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Thank you for the kind response and this is for us to learn. (Not a debate or argument) as this is not a major issue and it does not separate us or divide us or change our faith in Jesus as Lord.
I am curious though, "it also includes other responsibilities that Paul is clear a woman should not hold." what role are those?
I have a couple of questions.
To be clear on my stance.
All gift is given to all "men" (everyone) to profit.
Can a woman can be an evangelist?
Can a woman can be a teacher?
Can a woman can be a prophet (ess)?
Can a woman can be an Apostle?
Can a woman be a Pastor?
Why do we draw the line at being Pastor?
For the record, I am male and understand the life by design and gender.
The MAN is FIRST, then the woman but also male and female made he them (in MAN).
This is not a fight for woman's right or feminism. NO and NEVER!!!
But simply biblical exactitude.
Back to the text,
Secondly, Paul comment was not necessarily cultural but primarily contextual but it will also not be entire to ignore cultural approach in dealing with issues.
For instance, On head covering in worship (1 Cor 11) was primarily about order and honour.
Today, women do not need to cover their head to show honour to her husband.
The major part of the first letter to corinth is a Pastor counsel to resolve lots of issues in the church to promote orderliness.
Lets take a look at the text used by most persons
33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace-as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
This was the "Recommendation" by Paul.
SPEAK does not mean PREACH, it means TOTAL SILENCE. If they have any question.. ASK YOUR HUSBAND when you get home.
This is largely cultural and contextual in those days.
Today, women speak in churches, they teach, they do all these things.
Why did Paul write this and why did he reference "THE LAW" and called it disgraceful.
Historically, we realised that there were disputes in the church, women (and men) speaking and questioning in this church that led to disorderliness in the church. Hence the recommendation, as it was custom in those days.
Secondly, he said let them ask their HUSBAND at home, oops. I guess these women were married.
Does it apply to single women too?
The point is this.
This was Paul's attempt to bring order to the church leveraging the custom at that time by the WISDOM of the LORD. (This does not mean Paul was influenced by culture, it means he used it to resolve an issue. Why, because it produced God's will in that context which is ORDER in his church).
This does not stop women from preaching, teaching, pastoring today.
This is not me saying.. WOMEN MUST BE LEADERS or NOT.
I am saying God is not opposed to it. He has called ALL to do his work and he is anointing everyone irrespective of gender to do his work and be a blessing.
Joel 2,28,29
“And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
29 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
Kindly take a look at this.
If a woman is your boss?
Would you submit to her or would you ask her to be quiet?
We will because it is not about Gender.
It is about AUTHORITY.
But in a marriage, a WIFE (WOMAN) MUST submit to her HUSBAND.
even if she is the US President.
In a church, All must submit to GOD and whoever, he puts in charge of his CHURCH!.
Irrespective of gender.
If for order in a system, we choose to aportion roles and it brings order. THAT IS FINE, as it produces ORDER and not confusion which is the WILL OF GOD.
Finally, God's gift is to EVERYONE (It is not gender based) and LET ALL THINGS BE DONE DECENTLY AND IN ORDER!
THIS IS NOT A GENDER AND WOMAN RIGHTS FIGHT. NEVER!
I AM FOR ORDER, PEACE, AND UNITY.
If you read to this point, you are great person.
Thank you, I hope we learnt from this. You do not have to change your stance or forceful teach it. It is not a deep issue or affect your faith. It is only for UNDERSTANDING.
Rememnber, in heaven, there is not GENDER neither do we marry or given to marriage.
We will have new body and rejoice before GOD ETERNALLY.
@@georgeodiana Thanks for your replay and your careful thought on these passages. It's clear to me you love the Word and Jesus and so while we may disagree on a few points I think we can agree that we are both a part of the Church and that is a beautiful thing. Stay strong in your walk!
Men and women are equal in value but not made in the same way!
Also I love you guys! Thanks so much for what you’re doing. I hope to visit your church one day
I like the ones where the conversation is respectful and there’s no demonic interference.
Man this cliff guys great! He should start a RUclips channel or something
if only, then people could follow his latest videos, watch his public talks, maybe even a debate now & then!
Physicist & Nobel laureate Arno Penzias, in contemplating this amazing design in our universe, came to this conclusion:
“Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe that was created out of nothing, and delicately balanced to provide exactly the conditions required to support life. In the absence of an absurdly improbable accident, the observations of modern science seem to suggest an underlying, one might say, supernatural plan.”
Amen Psstor Cliffe. Mentally challenged people are valuable because they provide, joy, laughter, inquiry, strength, patience, somber and love! They keep us alive with a purpose!!!
The word Pastor is in the bible (Ephesians 4:11)
But no man is perfect
I thank the Lord for you two and your faithful witness of Christ 🙏
It's not looking down on a woman to say a women should not be in the roll of leadership in the church. There are different rolls not less valuable, not more valuable, just different make up, it is obvious woman can lead, and sometimes better than men, but that is not the order God has ordained, thinking of some women in the Bible who where leaders, like Abigail who didn't support her evil husband, or Deborah who told borak that it was his job to lead, and he would not. So there is a time when women should lead, when men refuse to or are to weak to lead. The norm is not a women leaders.
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman
can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
This setting in Deborah's case was under a palm tree.
She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment.
-excerpt Judges 4
Thank you for preaching at UNF Cliffe
Many of our programs try to dismantle the beliefs of young Christians who are new to intellectual independence, but the Holy Spirit will preserve his saints.
Thanks again for your work.
Jer 17: 16 KJV - As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right before thee.
Around 6:00 in the video he says pastor is not in the bible but it does appear 1 time.
I believe fully in the bible and the word of God. Love Jesus, my Christ, my savior.
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If Woman would just act as they should according to the Bible, the World would be a better place!
Which would likely be an easier task if us men would lead and treat women as we should. Amen?
@@jessebryant9233 It's a two way street yes, but you're assuming its men's fault? The way I see it it's women acting inappropriately this day and age what with social media tik tok and only fans. For every 1 inappropriate man there's 100 inappropriate women.
Women aren't allowing men leadership roles.
Instead, They are being combative.
What are you, a Feminist!? Lol
You could say its also Mens fault for not doing their Job as biblicaly written. The Women have made men believe that they babies and men made other women believe they are nothing. So Id say its fault.....................................................................................................I was thinking about something so I kind of forgot the thought i had lol@@rabbithole8592
Both Men and Women fault. If Men would teach their Kids and not leave them and also teach women and if women would Raise men as men and Women as Women. If Women would allow Fathers to be Father then Yes it would be a better place but now Father leave their kids and the Mother raise them as "what they want"@@rabbithole8592
Yeah this is about both men and women. Sin is a problem for both.
I believe men should be the pastors. It shows the role of leadership, a women as a pastor is not the norm. Either way God Bless you all!
Who is a pastor?
Hi Cliffe & Stuart, I wish you where here in the Philippines too so i can meet you guys in person. I'm suppose to say I'm a big fan of you guys but it should be "Like both of you, I'm also a big fan of Jesus". Keep up the good work and God Bless both of you and your families.
Cliff watching Stewart and smiling is the most wonderful wholesome thing ever. He looks so proud.
Cliffe and Stewart rock!
Please come to England
yes indeed, I'll put the kettle on and make Cliffe a nice cup of Yorkshire tea 🙂
At the end you see a group of kids, praying on the background, fantastic!
If you believe that Paul was given the Word from Christ on the road to Damascus then you must believe when he states: 11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
Jesus is king!
a king is a nonsensical human construct.
So in other words the Bible is not a textbook but a historical fact
The perfect explanation of why you should love God more than anything else.
God is able to see our yesterday, today and tomorrow. I like to say "that is none of my business". My business is to accept and believe in Jesus, look to Jesus, and rest in His Grace.
Jesus Chris is lord
Why is it sick that slave masters took their slaves to church? If I really wanted to keep my slaves beneath me, the LAST thing I would do is introduce them to Christ.
Because the pastors made sure to read scriptures they thought would keep the slaves from rebellion. There are certain scriptures that talk about slaves and would twist it. Another reason they didn’t want slaves learning to read….
Immediately means: at once , instantly , straightaway. It does NOT mean later on etc………
It’s beautiful to see a Father and Son working sooo well together.
Its cool too see how proud Cliff is of Stewart when he jumped in.
Love you work as always, but Stuart claiming that the word "pastor" isn't in the NT is technically true, but misleading. Pastor comes from "shepherd" and comes from the word used for "overseer" or "elder" in the Bible. So yes, in our culture a woman can be a "pastor" in a cultural sense that isn't unbiblical (like leading the children or women's ministry). BUT we should not be afraid to talk about how the Bible is extremely clear that women are not to be overseers, elders, or pastors over men in the church. We might not like it and wish it wasn't in there, but that doesn't change the fact that that is how God set up His Church.
Men and women are absolutely equal :)
If that were true then nobody should be able to tell the difference they would be absolutely the same. Most people notice they aren’t in many physiological and psychological ways. They are equal in importance and responsibility to the same cause, in value, and in complimentary parts of a whole. If they are committed to the whole instead of self-interest then love occurs.
If we are equal then why did I always have to pay on the first date?? 😂😂. I’m jk
I could listen to these two talk all day
i love how when stuart talks, you can see cliffe happily and proudly looking at him
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Atheism is also a religion. They have faith in what they believe in too even though they can’t prove their belief to be 100% certain.
I shall pop some popcorn for this one good sir!
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 That’s fine with me. I’m ready for all the smoke lol
@@Theo_Skeptomai The belief in something unseen & worship of it. Atheists believe we just got here by chance & they worship themselves & that idea so much so that they viciously fight, argue & ridicule others online who don’t agree with them.
@@Theo_Skeptomai I would even go as far as to say that Atheism is a cult.
Not believing in something is not a religion
Amen, Brothers, coming from the far East ! Thank you both.
Not anymore, our culture says "if you believe what we believe, you are valuable" "but if you do not believe ___, you are ___."
I respectfully beg to differ with Cliffe when he says the New Testament reads as historical narrative, I've asked this question many times, how would someone historically verify the ascension of Jesus floating up into the sky and sitting at the right hand of God?, it's impossible to verify such an event.
I mean it’s pretty obvious it is if you actually believe the Bible lol
@@notme5205 Yes indeed, it requires a lot of belief.
You cannot historically verify anything to do with the supernatural. It requires some faith.
Right. Special pleading all over the place. Even if one believed ascension after death was possible, why is Jesus the only one who could have achieved this?
@@CJBlake-ym6kyis that a serious comment?
i saw jesus in 2022
Me too I saw the blood of Jesus 2018
Bless you both!
Best of the bestt!!!!❤
you guys are the best
I really love this these kids have a better questions the most I see cliff associate with it's really heartening that maybe these kids want to know truth and I hope that truth leads them. I really pray for these young men and women there they can really search for what's to be true and let the truth lead them.
He didn't answer the question about the female pastors.
There is a difference between equality and responsibility. I agree men and women are equal because we been made in God's image but men and women have different responsibilities.
The role of pastor was only meant for men just like being the head of the household was meant for men, but first lady and helpmeet were meant for women
THE WORD "PASTOR" is literally in the Bible
Jeremiah 3:15 And I will give you PASTORS according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Mr Cliffe, the word PASTOR is in the Bible. With all due respect, please correct that statement