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    1 Mueller, Robert (1989). Active Air Force Bases Within the United States of America on 17 September 1982 (PDF). Maxwell AFB, Alabama: Center for Air Force History, USAF. ISBN 0-912799-53-6.
    2 Helms, Richard (15 May 1967). ""OXCART reconnaissance of North Vietnam", Memo to the Deputy
    Secretary of Defense from the office of CIA Director Richard Helms, 15 May 1967". FOIA.CIA.gov. Archived from the original on 15 October 2012.
    3 Rogers, Keith (4 June 2002). "Federal judges to hear case involving Area 51". Las Vegas Review-Journal. Archived from the original on 14 February 2010.
    4 "JEDNA OD NAJVEĆIH TAJNI TITOVE JUGOSLAVIJE: Projekat Alfa- slanje sovjetskih mlaznjaka u SAD".
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  • @fightertales
    @fightertales  Месяц назад +19

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    SOURCES
    1 Mueller, Robert (1989). Active Air Force Bases Within the United States of America on 17 September 1982 (PDF). Maxwell AFB, Alabama: Center for Air Force History, USAF. ISBN 0-912799-53-6.
    2 Helms, Richard (15 May 1967). ""OXCART reconnaissance of North Vietnam", Memo to the Deputy
    Secretary of Defense from the office of CIA Director Richard Helms, 15 May 1967". FOIA.CIA.gov. Archived from the original on 15 October 2012. Retrieved 15 July 2019.
    3 Rogers, Keith (4 June 2002). "Federal judges to hear case involving Area 51". Las Vegas Review-Journal. Archived from the original on 14 February 2010. Retrieved 10 June 2013.
    4 "JEDNA OD NAJVEĆIH TAJNI TITOVE JUGOSLAVIJE: Projekat Alfa- slanje sovjetskih mlaznjaka u SAD".
    5 nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB443/docs/area51_51.PDF
    6: www.10percenttrue.com/post/have-pad-the-cia-s-first-mig-23-flogger
    7: www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/j7.html Cheaper than a BMP
    8: www.10percenttrue.com/post/have-pad-the-cia-s-first-mig-23-flogger
    9:mikoyanmig29.wixsite.com/mig-23flogger/mig-23ml#:~:text=one%20of%20its%20weak%20points,automatic%20guidance%20from%20the%20ground.
    10: medium.com/war-is-boring/its-not-every-day-you-see-an-f-16-and-russian-su-27-dogfight-above-area-51-2074360f31b3

    • @lightningwingdragon973
      @lightningwingdragon973 29 дней назад +1

      Someone needs to make a list video of all the "Have" programs. I've only ever heard of Have Blue, but now there's even more?????

    • @barrybend7189
      @barrybend7189 14 дней назад

      Please look into the A-16 the F-16 with a Gau 8 avenger.

  • @ref692
    @ref692 Месяц назад +585

    The retired USAF vet in the middle of the Nevada seeing a MIG flyover his house:

  • @kirby81755
    @kirby81755 Месяц назад +383

    Fun fact: The federal government owns 85% of Nevada. This fact helps when you accidentally crash your top secret aircraft. Specifically in July of 1947

    • @chasebarber6154
      @chasebarber6154 Месяц назад +42

      That was in New Mexico, though.

    • @usergiodmsilva1983PT
      @usergiodmsilva1983PT Месяц назад

      That's the one that you KNOW of! ;P ​@@chasebarber6154

    • @DisAstra-qx9gq
      @DisAstra-qx9gq Месяц назад +16

      Is it ironic the mafia own the other 15% 🤣

  • @thezate
    @thezate Месяц назад +176

    Fun fact: I am 99% sure that the Mig-17 Have Drill now lives at the Warhawk Air Museum in Idaho.
    I visited a bit ago and they have a Mig-17 painted exactly like the one in the footage and any google images of Have Drill. After speaking to a docent he hinted that technically this plane didn't really exist as the US had used it for secret testing, and that the Museum had acquired it through some clever connections.
    I have no actual proof, but its story lines up with that of Have Drill.

    • @jacobstutzman7591
      @jacobstutzman7591 Месяц назад +4

      I live 20 minutes from that museum, And I can confirm! There's a small binder of documentation and photos that lives on a table in front of the MiG-17, which claims that this MiG was Syrian, captured by Israel, Transferred to the US, and took part in "Project Have Drill". I don't remember anything about how the Warhawk got it though :(

    • @RedTail1-1
      @RedTail1-1 13 дней назад

      Fun fact ensures I'm not going to bother reading the comment

    • @paulm7842
      @paulm7842 3 дня назад

      A number of the Constant Peg MiG-21s have made it into museums as well. The one at the SAC Museum at Offutt even got put on display with the names of an American pilot and crew chief still painted on the sides.

    • @jacobstutzman7591
      @jacobstutzman7591 День назад

      It is not the Have Drill Mig. I found a picture of what it looked like when it showed up at the museum, it was silver with Polish checkerboards. Apparently it was painted to resemble the Have Drill Mig when they restored it. Sorry for the confutation.

  • @ArizonaAstraLLC
    @ArizonaAstraLLC 18 дней назад +8

    What a treasure this channel is. Actually finding relevant footage and making your own scripts, not using an AI voice, and adding a little human touch to it. What a gem of a channel.

  • @BigMoTheBlackDragon
    @BigMoTheBlackDragon Месяц назад +39

    The United States Geologic Survey (USGS) divided the continental U.S. into areas. Groom Lake just happens to be in "Area #51" that the USGS designated.

    • @aaroncabatingan5238
      @aaroncabatingan5238 Месяц назад +1

      Source?
      I'm actually curious by the way. That would explain a lot about the name.

    • @pierremaggi8661
      @pierremaggi8661 27 дней назад

      Maybe search the USGS website ?

  • @nomar5spaulding
    @nomar5spaulding Месяц назад +136

    The MiG-23 is the airplane where I couldn't care less if it's a pile of hot garbage or if it's the most bad ass fighter of all time. It could be either, and I don't care because it looks far too sexy and cool to worry about performance. I want a MiG-23 in Ace Combat XD.

    • @Hyper_1989
      @Hyper_1989 Месяц назад +14

      It's a really cool looking plane.

    • @nomar5spaulding
      @nomar5spaulding Месяц назад +5

      @Hyper_1989 I genuinely love how it looks. I think it's my favorite Soviet aircraft in terms of pure looks and it's probably in my top 10 best looking aircraft of the Cold War, and that lost had STRONG competition.

    • @Hyper_1989
      @Hyper_1989 Месяц назад +6

      @@nomar5spaulding yeah its great, although my favourite plane of all time is the Yak-38.

    • @sealboyy6584
      @sealboyy6584 Месяц назад +2

      Don't worry, it was a good plane, don't let some USAF pilled elitists tell you otherwise just because they captured the worst version, it was comparable to the competition, and was sometimes better
      Also I agree it looks baller as fuck

    • @nomar5spaulding
      @nomar5spaulding Месяц назад +7

      @sealboyy6584 You don't need to explain to me how good or bad something is directly after I comment that I don't care how good or bad that thing is. I wasn't worrying about it. This should have been pretty clear from the fact that I said I didn't care.

  • @AffectionatePitbull-dw9cd
    @AffectionatePitbull-dw9cd Месяц назад +56

    Talking about sneaking into a military base, some years ago 2 people were straped to 2 professional skydivers and when they jumped the high winds pushed them into Kings Bay Ga naval station (they keep nuclear subs there)... all 4 people were held for a month being questioned daily... i found it funny

    • @Yannickille
      @Yannickille Месяц назад

      Tortured?

    • @disorganizedorg
      @disorganizedorg 26 дней назад +3

      Times must change. When I went to tech school at Keesler AFB (1981) jumping the fence was not uncommon for those off-base and returning after the curfew that we as students were subject to.

  • @kubaxwot4629
    @kubaxwot4629 Месяц назад +70

    "There are UFOs at area 51"
    The UFO in question (it's just an advanced plane)

    • @samstarkweather5172
      @samstarkweather5172 Месяц назад +10

      If it's a mass-produced Russian or Chinese aircraft, it's probably not that advanced.

    • @kubaxwot4629
      @kubaxwot4629 Месяц назад +9

      @@samstarkweather5172 I was referring to the U2/SR-71/F-117
      But you do make a good point

    • @PTFM-v9m
      @PTFM-v9m Месяц назад

      Security started "leaking" documents to one particulary anoying UFO nutter back in the 60's, telling him everything he wanted to hear. Better have him spreading his gospel than breaking into the perimiter.

    • @Janus936
      @Janus936 29 дней назад

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C.,_UFO_incident

  • @alfachristomk
    @alfachristomk Месяц назад +29

    Remember about that Chengdu J20 Mock up on some random Airport? I wonder what kind of Video we Will have about Groom Lake in like 30 Years😅

    • @tahko3956
      @tahko3956 20 дней назад

      The americans flying a su 57 would be fucking hilarious

    • @neringalukoseviciute1787
      @neringalukoseviciute1787 4 дня назад

      @@tahko3956 although I don’t know if we’ll be flying aircraft at that point given that the Russians will probably become our friends again again

  • @JMTrof117
    @JMTrof117 Месяц назад +36

    Falcon, been looking forward to this one :) My buddy’s dad was a B-52 pilot with SAC and shared a story that he was out in Nevada while he was still in uniform, and got to sit in the cockpit of a MiG (I don’t recall him mentioning what kind). To which he was promptly told ‘no you didn’t sit in a MiG, there is no MiG’ LOL. The MiGs and other Russian aircraft at Area 51 (BTW really wish the official name was Groom Lake AFB, just rolls off the tongue) have always fascinated me. It's just such a fascinating bit of Cold War history. With the footage you had in this, there’s something a bit unreal seeing a MiG-21 or 23 with a USA roundel. Just makes your brain do a double-take.
    I never knew the ‘Have’ designations were for more than just the Stealth prototypes for the F-117. So, it was cool to learn each of the different MiGs got one. I’m curious where the Su-27 shown came from. Was it something acquired from Ukraine? Though I’d imagine they don’t have aircraft to spare, so maybe it was something acquired from Africa? I believe there were some clashes between Flankers and Fulcrums with Ethiopia and Eritrea?
    Also, as one fun note about Area 51 in fiction. The novelization of Independence Day (which being a nerd I have LOL) actually has a moment in the scene as the President is with General Grey reviewing the troops before the big speech. He notices a pilot sitting in a Russian MiG trying to understand how to get it ready with a translated manual. Always thought that was nice bit of detail thrown in, recognizing the real history of Area 51 and the Red Hat Squadron there.
    Excellent work Falcon, even if it cost you some freedom. I hear there’s some good lawyer called Saul I think :D Also, fun little cameo by Hellion there lol

    • @asherwiggin6456
      @asherwiggin6456 Месяц назад +1

      On Ward Carroll's channel, he claimed that the Constant Peg program was a top secret program simultaneously covering up the other things going on at Tonopah and Groom Lake... the Have Blue project.

    • @morse4989
      @morse4989 Месяц назад

      They were probably from Ukraine before the war.

    • @HalNordmann
      @HalNordmann Месяц назад +1

      There is one more connection between the F-117 and the Have programs - those used "F-1XX" as their designations while in the US. And as such, the F-117 was extra safe - if someone encountered that designation, they would think it was just another MiG

    • @Toury50
      @Toury50 Месяц назад

      strangely that specific flanker was bought by an oil and gas company from ukraine because they were going to use it to find oil/gas deposits from the air somehow, but the company went under and the plane was acquired by the US government.

    • @shooter5678_tw
      @shooter5678_tw 13 дней назад

      2 SU-27s were bought from belarus in 1995 and 2 more were bought from ukraine in 2009

  • @MihzvolWuriar
    @MihzvolWuriar Месяц назад +9

    You could never say the guy isn't dedicated, he used his phone call to thank patrons, that's class right there.

  • @chedrw
    @chedrw Месяц назад +60

    WAKE UP NEW FALCON VID!

  • @shockwavegaming5907
    @shockwavegaming5907 Месяц назад +21

    Amazing video! Glad I could be a part of it!

  • @user-ok2fe6vv4e
    @user-ok2fe6vv4e Месяц назад +8

    the mig 17 that landed in israel made a stupid navigational mistake. he got maps that were outdated and showed israel as still part of the british mandate.

  • @WanderWisley
    @WanderWisley Месяц назад +8

    I live in northern Nevada about 2ish hours north of Area 51, and my take on the base is that there is probably nothing exciting going on in Area 51 at all, there doesn’t have to be. Everyone who lives around the area is batshit crazy, and that’s why they built the base there.

  • @Tigershark_3082
    @Tigershark_3082 Месяц назад +14

    I've been pretty darn excited for a vid like this from you for a long time
    The HAVE and Constant Peg programs have been incredibly fascinating to me, going as far as to influence a lot of my own worldbuilding projects lol

  • @arcticshark1808
    @arcticshark1808 Месяц назад +17

    Can you do a video on the A-4 Skyhawk?

    • @wimdyslim
      @wimdyslim Месяц назад +4

      I too would like a video on the A-4. It was the fighter that my dad flew in the Navy

  • @HardThrasher
    @HardThrasher Месяц назад +11

    Dude awesome vid!

  • @MsZeeZed
    @MsZeeZed Месяц назад +11

    Thanks for not making us wait for Animarchy’s pt2, to know that Russian pilots can paint a center-line too 😹

  • @davidlosey431
    @davidlosey431 Месяц назад +6

    DUDE!!!!using the music and typing sound from the NES Top Gun game was inspired. Brought be back to being 5 years old playing that game in my parents living room, and the nightmares of never being able to land on the aircraft carrier at the end.

  • @mandalorianmanic9525
    @mandalorianmanic9525 24 дня назад +3

    A little quirk I found about Groom Lake/Area 51 is that on aeronautical navigation charts, it... doesn't appear in the same way as normal US military bases.
    Most US bases (Lemoore, for example) still provide general aviation pilots with information for contact. Radio frequencies, elevation information, runway length, that kind of thing. But Groom Lake *only* has a tiny mark that denotes an airport. No radios, no elevations, no name, no contact. It *exists*, but only in the barest sense. Using a virtual platform, you can find information on the airport that is out there and from the charts and specs it gives you, it 100% should be appearing on the map and in a more detailed version. (Airports with runways beyond a certain length will have the runways literally drawn out to help with landing planning, airports like Los Angeles for example. Groom Lake's runways should appear like this, but do not. It even has a runway longer than any of Los Angeles' runways!)
    Couple that with the fact that there's a big ol' Restricted Airspace marker around the whole area. Most US Air Force bases do not restrict their airspace like this. And you might be thinking, oh, they don't have airport information at Groom Lake because it's in restricted airspace, but *no*. There are other Air Force bases in restricted airspace that are properly listed with frequencies and runway lengths, because a pilot may need to use it in an emergency, but Groom Lake is 100% not intended for this, even though all indications show it would make a great airport for an aircraft in distress (Runways above 11,000 feet) it is absolutely restricted in information.
    I just found all this curious, and even up here in 2024, Area 51 is *still* a hush-hush facility, hiding a lot of itself from the public.

  • @8ballentertainment.885
    @8ballentertainment.885 Месяц назад +3

    Just after I watched the ‘Not a pound for air to ground’s video on ‘Have Drill’ and ‘Have Ferry’, perfect timing!

  • @kevintang2605
    @kevintang2605 Месяц назад +6

    FALCON POSTED AGAIN!

  • @Aufderr_256
    @Aufderr_256 Месяц назад +8

    Babe, wake up! Falcons Fighter Tales uploaded!

  • @mrouncervideos2905
    @mrouncervideos2905 Месяц назад +1

    My Unlce was a M.P for the Airforce in the early 80s. He had rotation between Edward's Airforce base and Groom lake. The only thing he could talk about was the jets our C.I.A bought from corrupt soviet Generals that they boxed up and sent to groom lake. He also told me the code word they used for groom lake was "the dome".

  • @scarecrow108productions7
    @scarecrow108productions7 Месяц назад +4

    14:31
    Definitely not an "M48" Patton being unloaded there. 🤭😂😂

  • @thetalesofdaneandco
    @thetalesofdaneandco Месяц назад +3

    The ending earned the video a like. I always appreciate a good comedy audio skit.

  • @harry-John785
    @harry-John785 Месяц назад +4

    Great video like always but the ending was brilliant great job

  • @hourlardnsaver362
    @hourlardnsaver362 Месяц назад +3

    Yoooo, new Falcon video!

  • @andrewschulze3865
    @andrewschulze3865 Месяц назад +1

    So many years ago i read a article of a su34 aircraft squadron that was supposedly "bought" aka "borrowed" and it was stationed at groom lake, o wanna say it was a old school VICE article

  • @egmccann
    @egmccann Месяц назад +3

    So, interestingly, at Airventure Oshkosh this last year (two? weeks ago now?) we had someone talking about the Soviet aircraft in the USAF museum ... one of which was this MiG-23 they got from Egypt. He went into how a good bit they'd learned from it - including just *how* touchy it was, the radar, etc - basically gave a bad impression, because the MiG variants sent to the Arab nations were absolute garbage as opposed to what the Soviets and WarPac countries were *actually* operating. So, basically... yes, *these* -23s were awful, they had to put in AoA limits, they didn't have full equipment (I believe he said they'd even used the MiG-21's radar,) but fully equipped -23s were a good bit better.

  • @Jedi.Toby.M
    @Jedi.Toby.M Месяц назад +1

    loved this upload mate! the single most important thing to take away from this bagger of an episode is that Falcon needs a MiG, and by god, Falcon WILL get a MiG. there are around 37 thousand of us Falcon Fans....lets GET THIS DONE!

  • @Datroflshopper
    @Datroflshopper Месяц назад +1

    You should check out the history of the EE Lightning - there's a surprising amount of interview footage from pilots who used it, and it's a fascinating story about government spending, pilot experience, missile-hype, and export markets

  • @larrysouthern5098
    @larrysouthern5098 28 дней назад +1

    In the movie FIREFOX...I always wondered where Gandz flew the jet to..
    Now I know...
    Great movie...
    FIREFOX..
    Starring Clint Eastwood..

  • @navyreviewer
    @navyreviewer Месяц назад +4

    Fun fact: MiG aircraft were always.... questionable. But when your brother is on the politboro, you're going to get the nod no matter what. Meanwhile, the goodish designers are going get the left overs. That's why SU suddenly became the designer of choice in the 70s. After Artem died.

  • @arsenalxa4421
    @arsenalxa4421 Месяц назад

    I've got an Area 51 sightseers guide from 1998. There was an interview with Bob Lazar, who claimed to have worked there.
    I'd like to mention, I convinced my parents to drive out to Rachael, Nevada, and on the way got to see two A-10s flying over the mountain ridge.

  • @GrummanCatenjoyer
    @GrummanCatenjoyer Месяц назад +4

    11:47 When it comes variable sweep wings pre stealth my idea is this
    It’s useful for a few kinds of aircraft Interceptors interdictors High speed bombers stuff that is not the most produced
    It should not be used as the main fighter or at least make a fixed wing model of it for more general use
    Like if I was in charge of VFX program without any knowledge for the VFAX Project I’m obviously gonna pick the F-14 But but I would ask Grumman to make a fixed wing variant for more general purpose role
    This would result in 2 aircraft The F-14A(VS) and F-14A(F) The Variable sweep wing would due to maitance expectations being high be limited to 1 squadron per carrier
    later with F/A-18 I would have three fighter squadron types 1 F-14(VS) go into VFI for interceptor/interdictor The fixed wing model would go in VF and Hornets in VFA
    Allowing us to fully phase out Attack squadrons by the 80s
    With 2 out of the 3 squadrons being tomcat based it could pressure the navy and congress to continue development for more advance versions of the airframe and trying to figure out methods to make it less macitence intensive
    Yes this is crackpot theory of how we could’ve kept the tomcat in service for longer

    • @pgtmr2713
      @pgtmr2713 28 дней назад +1

      2 aircraft is more expensive. Initially and to supply parts for. Fixed wing are the wings going to be more out, or in? More out, the aircraft is slower to get there, more in, less lift, less it can carry. OR it has a different wing shape... like the F-15. What they should have done... is make the F-14 and F-15 share engines, landing gear, all weapons and radar.

    • @gp33music41
      @gp33music41 12 дней назад +1

      Two fighter aircraft is just not going to fly with any branch, especially the navy. They just don't have the space on carriers for both.

    • @pgtmr2713
      @pgtmr2713 12 дней назад

      @@gp33music41 Nonsense. They have room. They used to have more types of aircraft, larger aircraft. There's probably minimal difference in width between a Tomcat with the wings back and the clipped wings of an F-15. Maybe they could make upward folding tips for an F-15 for the inches

    • @gp33music41
      @gp33music41 12 дней назад

      @@pgtmr2713 I was trying to say that making 2 different planes for 2 things when one could do both just as well if not better is not attractive to a branch, especially the navy. It doesn't matter if a single fighter doesn't take up that much room if you need twice as many of each for full strength operations.

    • @pgtmr2713
      @pgtmr2713 12 дней назад

      @@gp33music41 No they won't need twice as many. A squadron of each and it takes some F-18s off the deck.

  • @danielmaloney128
    @danielmaloney128 Месяц назад +2

    Great video, I am thinking about paying for your Patreon

    • @fightertales
      @fightertales  Месяц назад

      No pressure! The support definitely is appreciated though!

  • @Nobody.exe50
    @Nobody.exe50 27 дней назад +1

    "dont taze me bro" lol legend meme , poor falcon

    • @fightertales
      @fightertales  27 дней назад +1

      I got better

    • @Nobody.exe50
      @Nobody.exe50 27 дней назад

      @@fightertales Glad to hear it , sooooo yo buddy still alive ?👀

    • @user-wv2bq5dw7c
      @user-wv2bq5dw7c 27 дней назад

      @@fightertalesAND you got some new GPS coordinates… would be a shame if something happened 😂

  • @marcusott2973
    @marcusott2973 Месяц назад +1

    Much awaited, much appreciated excellent insights as always from you

  • @FirstDagger
    @FirstDagger Месяц назад +2

    19:01 Secretive Dreamland F-16D with Lockheed Martin Legion Pod

  • @UNYEILDING
    @UNYEILDING 27 дней назад

    If you don't have any homemade Migs, covertly acquired ones work just fine!

  • @heyheyduskyhere
    @heyheyduskyhere Месяц назад +2

    Fellas we need to finance the next ace combat protagonist

  • @danielficke131
    @danielficke131 Месяц назад

    I currently work at the Strategic Air Command and Aerospace Museum in Ashland, Nebraska. We currently display a former Indonesian MiG-21 Fishbed C that was a part of Operation Constant Peg, and a former East German MiG-23ML Flogger G that was brought to Wright-Patterson after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

  • @Hyper_1989
    @Hyper_1989 Месяц назад +7

    Not sure if I have this right but I believe many of the shot down MiG-23s were ground attack variants. Many nations did not purchase the more specialized MiG-27 and instead acquired the MiG-23BN and similar variants which weren't armed with any air to air missiles as far as I know. Not that much of an excuse but imagine if the US sold a stripped down version of an F-16 that could only carry unguided bombs and rockets. I'd assume it'd get shot down quite a bit too. But the MiG-23 was still pretty bad until MLD fixed some issues and most nations didn't use the upgraded ones. Maybe I just feel bad for them since my brain decided my favourite plane is the Yak-38 (great video opportunity there)

    • @jojomaster7675
      @jojomaster7675 Месяц назад +1

      The actual reason for basically all the bad K:D ratios of soviet aircraft is simply becasue the USSR had a habit of selling their outdated equipment to half of the world, most of which were not very advanced countries with very new airforces and thus poor pilot training. Like, of course the MiG-23 won't have good performance statistics when those statistics come from aircraft that were flown by some middle eastern pilot with next to no training against F-15Cs with extremely well trained Isreali pilots.

    • @gotanon9659
      @gotanon9659 22 дня назад

      ​@@jojomaster7675 That an old Bullshit myth.

    • @gotanon9659
      @gotanon9659 22 дня назад

      What? I dont know where you heard that but that complete BS. The Fighter variant generally makes up the majority of the Mig-23 export with the BN variant making up the rest

    • @jojomaster7675
      @jojomaster7675 22 дня назад

      @@gotanon9659 source? Becasue iirc western aircraft have never engaged up to date soviet owned aircraft flown by soviet pilots on a decent scale. Most combat statistics for soviet aircraft come fro mengagemnts with 3rd world countries years after said aircraft have gone out of date. And besides, the soviets always made export variants worse.

    • @pyronuke4768
      @pyronuke4768 15 дней назад

      I believe the MiG-27/MiG-23BN were only equipped with short range IR missiles, not the big SARH ones on the interceptor versions.

  • @CarlVolt
    @CarlVolt Месяц назад +1

    Awww hell yeah, new Falcon AND it's about Area 51 ❤

  • @johnnyzippo7109
    @johnnyzippo7109 29 дней назад +1

    A very good channel ! This offering overall is the best I have viewed here to date . The music score is very good , it just has “Tha Vibe “! Thank you , very well done Sir .

    • @fightertales
      @fightertales  29 дней назад

      @@johnnyzippo7109 your comment made my night

  • @TacticalCoffeeDrinker-tn7ks
    @TacticalCoffeeDrinker-tn7ks 11 дней назад +2

    Imagine being a ret. USAF pilot and settled down in Nevada, In the late 50s, And one day your out in your yard with your wife Maria, And see a MIG-15 flyover your house, 💀

  • @catsfrommars
    @catsfrommars Месяц назад

    I got excited for a second because I thought that the thumbnail said, “The MiGs of Area 88…”

  • @louiscarullo6034
    @louiscarullo6034 Месяц назад +1

    I see a new video. I watch new video. :3 glad to see you coming back and hope all is well man!

  • @pyronuke4768
    @pyronuke4768 2 дня назад

    Well if that last section on the MiG-23 wasn't the most misleading cherrypicking misunderstanding of the Flogger ever...

  • @clairecelestin8437
    @clairecelestin8437 Месяц назад

    I'm new to the channel. Love the content. You've earned a subscription. Thanks for doing what you do!

  • @Dasike
    @Dasike Месяц назад +1

    That was awesome. Like an old school documentary. Love it!

  • @AnimarchyHistory
    @AnimarchyHistory Месяц назад +3

    Heh. Peg

  • @benjaminbatema6963
    @benjaminbatema6963 Месяц назад

    The ending to this video is awesome.

  • @Favk21
    @Favk21 28 дней назад

    I just wanted to say I love that Deep Strike track @ 13:17

    • @fightertales
      @fightertales  28 дней назад +1

      Glad you like it! My boy Chronicler knows his stuff

  • @notactuallyADJ
    @notactuallyADJ Месяц назад +1

    New Falcon vid before GTA 6

  • @PSC4.1
    @PSC4.1 Месяц назад +1

    Im not surprised if they had MiGs, captured aircraft definitely tell you a lot about your piers air power.

  • @cheetosjumboenjoyer6833
    @cheetosjumboenjoyer6833 12 дней назад

    I believe you have confused the range of the RP-23 Sapfir radar with that of the RP-21 sapfir radar, which is the one used in the export MS model, and the same one used in the MiG-21. For the RP-23, the detection range should be 45-50km against a fighter-sized target, with later models having up to ~65km range.

  • @VF5SS
    @VF5SS Месяц назад +1

    "Well, men. I've gathered you all here because you are the best at what you do. It's going to tough, but I know that for the good of our country you will be able to keep up with Constant Peggi-"
    "Constant Peg... I meant to say, Constant Peg."

  • @usergiodmsilva1983PT
    @usergiodmsilva1983PT Месяц назад +1

    Coming for the birds, staying for the beats.

  • @thegamingzilla6269
    @thegamingzilla6269 Месяц назад

    US had been working on Swing Wings since at least the 1950's as a study was done on an aircraft rather similar in design to the Sabre, but has swinging wingtips. It was a hallmark of your typical NASA study

    • @Utubesuperstar
      @Utubesuperstar Месяц назад

      So like the crazy op f15 with canards and thrust vectoring lol

    • @thegamingzilla6269
      @thegamingzilla6269 Месяц назад

      @@Utubesuperstar Yeah. The specific aircraft that was the testbed was the Bell X-5, which was first made in 1951 and was retired in 1958

  • @wiledman2430
    @wiledman2430 Месяц назад +1

    Very informative, i always wondered why we never paraded around enemy jest but that seems obvious now.

  • @HistoryofEverythingChannel
    @HistoryofEverythingChannel Месяц назад +1

    This is brilliant

  • @Mamorufumio
    @Mamorufumio 29 дней назад

    Area 51 is likely also the headquarters for XCOM, I’ll see myself out.

  • @salientdivine
    @salientdivine Месяц назад +1

    First time here. Cool channel dude. You got my sub.

  • @arbysandtehchief5494
    @arbysandtehchief5494 Месяц назад +1

    So... Falcon steals a tomcat out of groom lake? (I mean, with Iran still having some in their inventory you'd think we'd have kept at least one flying in the us inventory..)

    • @samstarkweather5172
      @samstarkweather5172 Месяц назад +1

      We operated the Tomcat for 3 decades, we pretty much have all the data we need to know about it, including enough to operate something like an Eagle or a Super Hornet in a similar manner. Tragic though it may be, there's really no reason for the USN or USAF to continue operating such a a maintenance hog. Hell, the only reason we still operate the Tiger is because it's relatively cheap to maintain and small nations like Switzerland are surplusing airframes and parts all the time, and even then we're passing that training capability to contractors due to the dwindling use of MiG-21s.

  • @johnhill7429
    @johnhill7429 Месяц назад

    At the Pueblo Weisbrod Aircraft museum, we have both the Have Drill Mig-17 and Have Ferry Mig-15. The Mig-15 is paint in North Korean colors and the Mig-17 is in North Vietnamese colors. We have USAF documentation with regards of the association with the Have Drill and Have Ferry programs.

  • @Nmille98
    @Nmille98 Месяц назад +1

    "Tales of UFO's" (Photos of what's either an SR-71 or F-111) 😂

  • @IcyMan143
    @IcyMan143 Месяц назад

    16:52 I believe that one had engine problems forcing the pilots to eject

  • @ivorharden
    @ivorharden 20 дней назад

    Northrop tested flying wings at groom lake. They ultimately became the b2.

    • @pyronuke4768
      @pyronuke4768 15 дней назад

      Actually, the B2 was developed based on classified documents of the Ho-229 that Northrop retreived from the ultra-secret antigrav NaziBase at the south pole's entrance to the hollow earth.😉

  • @jacobstutzman7591
    @jacobstutzman7591 Месяц назад +1

    That's a sneaky A-10 you tried slipping in there at the 14:21 minute mark

  • @timothyroush7589
    @timothyroush7589 Месяц назад +2

    Sacrificial comment to the algorithm gods. Good video.

  • @Irishflyboy255
    @Irishflyboy255 Месяц назад

    Gotta admit, kinda surprised you didn’t make any Coast to Coast AM jokes.

  • @kasperjam
    @kasperjam Месяц назад

    It seems Falcons dream goal is a MiG-21. Mine is similar but I’d love a F4U Corsair yes I know it’s not a turbofan powered aircraft but! Corsairs did take on earlier model MiGs in combat during the Korean War. And the outro, Chefs kiss! Also free our boy Falcon! LOL.

  • @HankyInTheTanky
    @HankyInTheTanky 10 дней назад

    The National Museum of the United States Air Force have one of Constant Pegs MiG-23MS’s

  • @drewm4914
    @drewm4914 29 дней назад

    I would love to see a part 2 for modern russian jets.

  • @Torus2112
    @Torus2112 Месяц назад

    8:50 The flyers call it:

  • @Twhrit14
    @Twhrit14 Месяц назад +1

    New Falcon video!!! LFG!!!

  • @willsikes9718
    @willsikes9718 Месяц назад

    I still want a video on the F106.

  • @josephherman5790
    @josephherman5790 Месяц назад

    You need to do your homework at there are Russian Aircraft in El Paso TX,a full fleet.

  • @laurencehoffelder1579
    @laurencehoffelder1579 Месяц назад +2

    13:06 I think it is illegal to mention the J79 without calling it mighty 🙃

  • @bullpupgaming708
    @bullpupgaming708 Месяц назад

    Area 51 gets it's name because it is literally the 51st Area of the Nevada Test and Training Range.

  • @sortaspicey9278
    @sortaspicey9278 Месяц назад +1

    That moment when America was flying almost the same amount as migs as Russia was 😂

  • @Squizziles
    @Squizziles Месяц назад

    Ahh yes the Migs a plane family that legitimately looks like a ufo at certain angles 😂😂

  • @solarflare623
    @solarflare623 Месяц назад

    I’ve heard someone call the MiG-21 the AK-47 of fighter jets and I don’t think there’s a more fitting term

  • @starkille10r72
    @starkille10r72 Месяц назад

    It would not surprise me at all if Groom Lake had an SU-57 and a J-20 in their inventory. Neither country would ever admit to losing one of their "superior 5th generation fighters."

  • @Ari.Atland
    @Ari.Atland Месяц назад +1

    Hellion spotted! (....moreso heard)

  • @HisDudenessTK421
    @HisDudenessTK421 Месяц назад

    Hmm. Most the strange UFOs I have seen have been around Fallon Naval Air Station TOP GUN. There are things air force and navy are flying that make the Raptor look like the Wright Brothers' plane. Totally insane. I don't know what they're flying but it sure is interesting.

  • @noisyboy-_-1174
    @noisyboy-_-1174 Месяц назад +1

    Bro had no Kum Sok after he defected to the US he had more than a Kum Sok 😂

  • @pleaseexitthepool6517
    @pleaseexitthepool6517 Месяц назад

    My grandfather flew a bf 109 in ww2

  • @whiter6sthesenpai50
    @whiter6sthesenpai50 29 дней назад

    i Saw a Mig 21 here at the Netherland German border on a scrapyard

  • @matposton87
    @matposton87 29 дней назад

    The name "Area 51" comes from a U.S.G.S (United States Geological Survey) that mapped out the U.S. into different Areas, so Area 51 is just that, it's Area #51 on that U.S.G.S. map.

  • @Loli4lyf
    @Loli4lyf 13 дней назад

    i wonder if the soviets also had their own squadron of captured western planes

    • @fightertales
      @fightertales  13 дней назад

      @@Loli4lyf they apparently had a couple F-5s from Vietnam but that's about it

  • @Kay_213_
    @Kay_213_ Месяц назад +1

    So…they trained them with Constant Peg? :3

  • @user-ok2fe6vv4e
    @user-ok2fe6vv4e Месяц назад

    the mig 21 acquired by the mossad, can be seen in the israeli Air force museum, it was returned to israel after it was sent over for evaluation. the 007 tail number was added later, but has nothing to do with james bond. it was just a random tail number put on in israel, instead of the iraqi tail number..

  • @Idahoguy10157
    @Idahoguy10157 Месяц назад

    The F-5 vs MiG 21 the F-5 outperformed. So it wasn’t that an American fighter couldn’t perform

  • @revenvrake7412
    @revenvrake7412 Месяц назад +1

    Falcon, you phrased your story with them testing the MiG-23 and then jumped to the MiG-29 and the Flanker. My question is, did these aggressors ever fly the Foxbat? The MiG-25 was grabbed by a defector and I'm curious if it got the same treatment.

    • @fightertales
      @fightertales  Месяц назад +1

      @@revenvrake7412 To my knowledge, Viktor Bilenko's MiG-25 was not flown by western evaluators before being returned to the Soviets

    • @Tigershark_3082
      @Tigershark_3082 Месяц назад

      @@fightertales To add on to this, I don't believe the US had ever acquired Foxbats or even Foxhounds in flying condition, though this could've potentially changed sometime in more recent years (with a fair number of ex-Warsaw Pact nations being willing to sell old Migs)

    • @godhimself478
      @godhimself478 Месяц назад

      @@Tigershark_3082there is a MIG in storage at the Air Force museum in Dayton but it’s just that there no room to put it currently.(might be Iraqi dunno)

    • @Utubesuperstar
      @Utubesuperstar Месяц назад

      @@godhimself478I believe it’s one of the Iraqi ones that got buried

    • @sealboyy6584
      @sealboyy6584 Месяц назад

      ​@@Tigershark_3082The only plausible MiG interceptor they could have gotten is the MiG-25, the MiG-31 on the other hand was never used in the Warsaw pact countries and was never exported so I doubt they got actually got it

  • @johnbailey614
    @johnbailey614 Месяц назад

    That Mig 15 pilots name lol