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1 Mueller, Robert (1989). Active Air Force Bases Within the United States of America on 17 September 1982 (PDF). Maxwell AFB, Alabama: Center for Air Force History, USAF. ISBN 0-912799-53-6.
2 Helms, Richard (15 May 1967). ""OXCART reconnaissance of North Vietnam", Memo to the Deputy
Secretary of Defense from the office of CIA Director Richard Helms, 15 May 1967". FOIA.CIA.gov. Archived from the original on 15 October 2012.
3 Rogers, Keith (4 June 2002). "Federal judges to hear case involving Area 51". Las Vegas Review-Journal. Archived from the original on 14 February 2010.
4 "JEDNA OD NAJVEĆIH TAJNI TITOVE JUGOSLAVIJE: Projekat Alfa- slanje sovjetskih mlaznjaka u SAD".
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1 Mueller, Robert (1989). Active Air Force Bases Within the United States of America on 17 September 1982 (PDF). Maxwell AFB, Alabama: Center for Air Force History, USAF. ISBN 0-912799-53-6.
2 Helms, Richard (15 May 1967). ""OXCART reconnaissance of North Vietnam", Memo to the Deputy
Secretary of Defense from the office of CIA Director Richard Helms, 15 May 1967". FOIA.CIA.gov. Archived from the original on 15 October 2012. Retrieved 15 July 2019.
3 Rogers, Keith (4 June 2002). "Federal judges to hear case involving Area 51". Las Vegas Review-Journal. Archived from the original on 14 February 2010. Retrieved 10 June 2013.
4 "JEDNA OD NAJVEĆIH TAJNI TITOVE JUGOSLAVIJE: Projekat Alfa- slanje sovjetskih mlaznjaka u SAD".
5 nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB443/docs/area51_51.PDF
6: www.10percenttrue.com/post/have-pad-the-cia-s-first-mig-23-flogger
7: www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/j7.html Cheaper than a BMP
8: www.10percenttrue.com/post/have-pad-the-cia-s-first-mig-23-flogger
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10: medium.com/war-is-boring/its-not-every-day-you-see-an-f-16-and-russian-su-27-dogfight-above-area-51-2074360f31b3
Someone needs to make a list video of all the "Have" programs. I've only ever heard of Have Blue, but now there's even more?????
Please look into the A-16 the F-16 with a Gau 8 avenger.
The retired USAF vet in the middle of the Nevada seeing a MIG flyover his house:
“It’s showtime”
Fun fact: The federal government owns 85% of Nevada. This fact helps when you accidentally crash your top secret aircraft. Specifically in July of 1947
That was in New Mexico, though.
That's the one that you KNOW of! ;P @@chasebarber6154
Is it ironic the mafia own the other 15% 🤣
Fun fact: I am 99% sure that the Mig-17 Have Drill now lives at the Warhawk Air Museum in Idaho.
I visited a bit ago and they have a Mig-17 painted exactly like the one in the footage and any google images of Have Drill. After speaking to a docent he hinted that technically this plane didn't really exist as the US had used it for secret testing, and that the Museum had acquired it through some clever connections.
I have no actual proof, but its story lines up with that of Have Drill.
I live 20 minutes from that museum, And I can confirm! There's a small binder of documentation and photos that lives on a table in front of the MiG-17, which claims that this MiG was Syrian, captured by Israel, Transferred to the US, and took part in "Project Have Drill". I don't remember anything about how the Warhawk got it though :(
Fun fact ensures I'm not going to bother reading the comment
A number of the Constant Peg MiG-21s have made it into museums as well. The one at the SAC Museum at Offutt even got put on display with the names of an American pilot and crew chief still painted on the sides.
It is not the Have Drill Mig. I found a picture of what it looked like when it showed up at the museum, it was silver with Polish checkerboards. Apparently it was painted to resemble the Have Drill Mig when they restored it. Sorry for the confutation.
What a treasure this channel is. Actually finding relevant footage and making your own scripts, not using an AI voice, and adding a little human touch to it. What a gem of a channel.
This comment made my day
The United States Geologic Survey (USGS) divided the continental U.S. into areas. Groom Lake just happens to be in "Area #51" that the USGS designated.
Source?
I'm actually curious by the way. That would explain a lot about the name.
Maybe search the USGS website ?
The MiG-23 is the airplane where I couldn't care less if it's a pile of hot garbage or if it's the most bad ass fighter of all time. It could be either, and I don't care because it looks far too sexy and cool to worry about performance. I want a MiG-23 in Ace Combat XD.
It's a really cool looking plane.
@Hyper_1989 I genuinely love how it looks. I think it's my favorite Soviet aircraft in terms of pure looks and it's probably in my top 10 best looking aircraft of the Cold War, and that lost had STRONG competition.
@@nomar5spaulding yeah its great, although my favourite plane of all time is the Yak-38.
Don't worry, it was a good plane, don't let some USAF pilled elitists tell you otherwise just because they captured the worst version, it was comparable to the competition, and was sometimes better
Also I agree it looks baller as fuck
@sealboyy6584 You don't need to explain to me how good or bad something is directly after I comment that I don't care how good or bad that thing is. I wasn't worrying about it. This should have been pretty clear from the fact that I said I didn't care.
Talking about sneaking into a military base, some years ago 2 people were straped to 2 professional skydivers and when they jumped the high winds pushed them into Kings Bay Ga naval station (they keep nuclear subs there)... all 4 people were held for a month being questioned daily... i found it funny
Tortured?
Times must change. When I went to tech school at Keesler AFB (1981) jumping the fence was not uncommon for those off-base and returning after the curfew that we as students were subject to.
"There are UFOs at area 51"
The UFO in question (it's just an advanced plane)
If it's a mass-produced Russian or Chinese aircraft, it's probably not that advanced.
@@samstarkweather5172 I was referring to the U2/SR-71/F-117
But you do make a good point
Security started "leaking" documents to one particulary anoying UFO nutter back in the 60's, telling him everything he wanted to hear. Better have him spreading his gospel than breaking into the perimiter.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C.,_UFO_incident
Remember about that Chengdu J20 Mock up on some random Airport? I wonder what kind of Video we Will have about Groom Lake in like 30 Years😅
The americans flying a su 57 would be fucking hilarious
@@tahko3956 although I don’t know if we’ll be flying aircraft at that point given that the Russians will probably become our friends again again
Falcon, been looking forward to this one :) My buddy’s dad was a B-52 pilot with SAC and shared a story that he was out in Nevada while he was still in uniform, and got to sit in the cockpit of a MiG (I don’t recall him mentioning what kind). To which he was promptly told ‘no you didn’t sit in a MiG, there is no MiG’ LOL. The MiGs and other Russian aircraft at Area 51 (BTW really wish the official name was Groom Lake AFB, just rolls off the tongue) have always fascinated me. It's just such a fascinating bit of Cold War history. With the footage you had in this, there’s something a bit unreal seeing a MiG-21 or 23 with a USA roundel. Just makes your brain do a double-take.
I never knew the ‘Have’ designations were for more than just the Stealth prototypes for the F-117. So, it was cool to learn each of the different MiGs got one. I’m curious where the Su-27 shown came from. Was it something acquired from Ukraine? Though I’d imagine they don’t have aircraft to spare, so maybe it was something acquired from Africa? I believe there were some clashes between Flankers and Fulcrums with Ethiopia and Eritrea?
Also, as one fun note about Area 51 in fiction. The novelization of Independence Day (which being a nerd I have LOL) actually has a moment in the scene as the President is with General Grey reviewing the troops before the big speech. He notices a pilot sitting in a Russian MiG trying to understand how to get it ready with a translated manual. Always thought that was nice bit of detail thrown in, recognizing the real history of Area 51 and the Red Hat Squadron there.
Excellent work Falcon, even if it cost you some freedom. I hear there’s some good lawyer called Saul I think :D Also, fun little cameo by Hellion there lol
On Ward Carroll's channel, he claimed that the Constant Peg program was a top secret program simultaneously covering up the other things going on at Tonopah and Groom Lake... the Have Blue project.
They were probably from Ukraine before the war.
There is one more connection between the F-117 and the Have programs - those used "F-1XX" as their designations while in the US. And as such, the F-117 was extra safe - if someone encountered that designation, they would think it was just another MiG
strangely that specific flanker was bought by an oil and gas company from ukraine because they were going to use it to find oil/gas deposits from the air somehow, but the company went under and the plane was acquired by the US government.
2 SU-27s were bought from belarus in 1995 and 2 more were bought from ukraine in 2009
You could never say the guy isn't dedicated, he used his phone call to thank patrons, that's class right there.
WAKE UP NEW FALCON VID!
Amazing video! Glad I could be a part of it!
the mig 17 that landed in israel made a stupid navigational mistake. he got maps that were outdated and showed israel as still part of the british mandate.
I live in northern Nevada about 2ish hours north of Area 51, and my take on the base is that there is probably nothing exciting going on in Area 51 at all, there doesn’t have to be. Everyone who lives around the area is batshit crazy, and that’s why they built the base there.
I've been pretty darn excited for a vid like this from you for a long time
The HAVE and Constant Peg programs have been incredibly fascinating to me, going as far as to influence a lot of my own worldbuilding projects lol
Can you do a video on the A-4 Skyhawk?
I too would like a video on the A-4. It was the fighter that my dad flew in the Navy
Dude awesome vid!
Thanks for not making us wait for Animarchy’s pt2, to know that Russian pilots can paint a center-line too 😹
DUDE!!!!using the music and typing sound from the NES Top Gun game was inspired. Brought be back to being 5 years old playing that game in my parents living room, and the nightmares of never being able to land on the aircraft carrier at the end.
A little quirk I found about Groom Lake/Area 51 is that on aeronautical navigation charts, it... doesn't appear in the same way as normal US military bases.
Most US bases (Lemoore, for example) still provide general aviation pilots with information for contact. Radio frequencies, elevation information, runway length, that kind of thing. But Groom Lake *only* has a tiny mark that denotes an airport. No radios, no elevations, no name, no contact. It *exists*, but only in the barest sense. Using a virtual platform, you can find information on the airport that is out there and from the charts and specs it gives you, it 100% should be appearing on the map and in a more detailed version. (Airports with runways beyond a certain length will have the runways literally drawn out to help with landing planning, airports like Los Angeles for example. Groom Lake's runways should appear like this, but do not. It even has a runway longer than any of Los Angeles' runways!)
Couple that with the fact that there's a big ol' Restricted Airspace marker around the whole area. Most US Air Force bases do not restrict their airspace like this. And you might be thinking, oh, they don't have airport information at Groom Lake because it's in restricted airspace, but *no*. There are other Air Force bases in restricted airspace that are properly listed with frequencies and runway lengths, because a pilot may need to use it in an emergency, but Groom Lake is 100% not intended for this, even though all indications show it would make a great airport for an aircraft in distress (Runways above 11,000 feet) it is absolutely restricted in information.
I just found all this curious, and even up here in 2024, Area 51 is *still* a hush-hush facility, hiding a lot of itself from the public.
Just after I watched the ‘Not a pound for air to ground’s video on ‘Have Drill’ and ‘Have Ferry’, perfect timing!
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My Unlce was a M.P for the Airforce in the early 80s. He had rotation between Edward's Airforce base and Groom lake. The only thing he could talk about was the jets our C.I.A bought from corrupt soviet Generals that they boxed up and sent to groom lake. He also told me the code word they used for groom lake was "the dome".
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Definitely not an "M48" Patton being unloaded there. 🤭😂😂
Shush
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And definitely NOT an A-10 being loaded there. 😂🤭
@@scarecrow108productions7 SSHHHHHHH
@@fightertales muwhahahahaha!!!! 😂😂😂
The ending earned the video a like. I always appreciate a good comedy audio skit.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video like always but the ending was brilliant great job
Yoooo, new Falcon video!
So many years ago i read a article of a su34 aircraft squadron that was supposedly "bought" aka "borrowed" and it was stationed at groom lake, o wanna say it was a old school VICE article
So, interestingly, at Airventure Oshkosh this last year (two? weeks ago now?) we had someone talking about the Soviet aircraft in the USAF museum ... one of which was this MiG-23 they got from Egypt. He went into how a good bit they'd learned from it - including just *how* touchy it was, the radar, etc - basically gave a bad impression, because the MiG variants sent to the Arab nations were absolute garbage as opposed to what the Soviets and WarPac countries were *actually* operating. So, basically... yes, *these* -23s were awful, they had to put in AoA limits, they didn't have full equipment (I believe he said they'd even used the MiG-21's radar,) but fully equipped -23s were a good bit better.
loved this upload mate! the single most important thing to take away from this bagger of an episode is that Falcon needs a MiG, and by god, Falcon WILL get a MiG. there are around 37 thousand of us Falcon Fans....lets GET THIS DONE!
You should check out the history of the EE Lightning - there's a surprising amount of interview footage from pilots who used it, and it's a fascinating story about government spending, pilot experience, missile-hype, and export markets
In the movie FIREFOX...I always wondered where Gandz flew the jet to..
Now I know...
Great movie...
FIREFOX..
Starring Clint Eastwood..
Fun fact: MiG aircraft were always.... questionable. But when your brother is on the politboro, you're going to get the nod no matter what. Meanwhile, the goodish designers are going get the left overs. That's why SU suddenly became the designer of choice in the 70s. After Artem died.
I've got an Area 51 sightseers guide from 1998. There was an interview with Bob Lazar, who claimed to have worked there.
I'd like to mention, I convinced my parents to drive out to Rachael, Nevada, and on the way got to see two A-10s flying over the mountain ridge.
11:47 When it comes variable sweep wings pre stealth my idea is this
It’s useful for a few kinds of aircraft Interceptors interdictors High speed bombers stuff that is not the most produced
It should not be used as the main fighter or at least make a fixed wing model of it for more general use
Like if I was in charge of VFX program without any knowledge for the VFAX Project I’m obviously gonna pick the F-14 But but I would ask Grumman to make a fixed wing variant for more general purpose role
This would result in 2 aircraft The F-14A(VS) and F-14A(F) The Variable sweep wing would due to maitance expectations being high be limited to 1 squadron per carrier
later with F/A-18 I would have three fighter squadron types 1 F-14(VS) go into VFI for interceptor/interdictor The fixed wing model would go in VF and Hornets in VFA
Allowing us to fully phase out Attack squadrons by the 80s
With 2 out of the 3 squadrons being tomcat based it could pressure the navy and congress to continue development for more advance versions of the airframe and trying to figure out methods to make it less macitence intensive
Yes this is crackpot theory of how we could’ve kept the tomcat in service for longer
2 aircraft is more expensive. Initially and to supply parts for. Fixed wing are the wings going to be more out, or in? More out, the aircraft is slower to get there, more in, less lift, less it can carry. OR it has a different wing shape... like the F-15. What they should have done... is make the F-14 and F-15 share engines, landing gear, all weapons and radar.
Two fighter aircraft is just not going to fly with any branch, especially the navy. They just don't have the space on carriers for both.
@@gp33music41 Nonsense. They have room. They used to have more types of aircraft, larger aircraft. There's probably minimal difference in width between a Tomcat with the wings back and the clipped wings of an F-15. Maybe they could make upward folding tips for an F-15 for the inches
@@pgtmr2713 I was trying to say that making 2 different planes for 2 things when one could do both just as well if not better is not attractive to a branch, especially the navy. It doesn't matter if a single fighter doesn't take up that much room if you need twice as many of each for full strength operations.
@@gp33music41 No they won't need twice as many. A squadron of each and it takes some F-18s off the deck.
Great video, I am thinking about paying for your Patreon
No pressure! The support definitely is appreciated though!
"dont taze me bro" lol legend meme , poor falcon
I got better
@@fightertales Glad to hear it , sooooo yo buddy still alive ?👀
@@fightertalesAND you got some new GPS coordinates… would be a shame if something happened 😂
Much awaited, much appreciated excellent insights as always from you
19:01 Secretive Dreamland F-16D with Lockheed Martin Legion Pod
If you don't have any homemade Migs, covertly acquired ones work just fine!
Fellas we need to finance the next ace combat protagonist
I currently work at the Strategic Air Command and Aerospace Museum in Ashland, Nebraska. We currently display a former Indonesian MiG-21 Fishbed C that was a part of Operation Constant Peg, and a former East German MiG-23ML Flogger G that was brought to Wright-Patterson after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Not sure if I have this right but I believe many of the shot down MiG-23s were ground attack variants. Many nations did not purchase the more specialized MiG-27 and instead acquired the MiG-23BN and similar variants which weren't armed with any air to air missiles as far as I know. Not that much of an excuse but imagine if the US sold a stripped down version of an F-16 that could only carry unguided bombs and rockets. I'd assume it'd get shot down quite a bit too. But the MiG-23 was still pretty bad until MLD fixed some issues and most nations didn't use the upgraded ones. Maybe I just feel bad for them since my brain decided my favourite plane is the Yak-38 (great video opportunity there)
The actual reason for basically all the bad K:D ratios of soviet aircraft is simply becasue the USSR had a habit of selling their outdated equipment to half of the world, most of which were not very advanced countries with very new airforces and thus poor pilot training. Like, of course the MiG-23 won't have good performance statistics when those statistics come from aircraft that were flown by some middle eastern pilot with next to no training against F-15Cs with extremely well trained Isreali pilots.
@@jojomaster7675 That an old Bullshit myth.
What? I dont know where you heard that but that complete BS. The Fighter variant generally makes up the majority of the Mig-23 export with the BN variant making up the rest
@@gotanon9659 source? Becasue iirc western aircraft have never engaged up to date soviet owned aircraft flown by soviet pilots on a decent scale. Most combat statistics for soviet aircraft come fro mengagemnts with 3rd world countries years after said aircraft have gone out of date. And besides, the soviets always made export variants worse.
I believe the MiG-27/MiG-23BN were only equipped with short range IR missiles, not the big SARH ones on the interceptor versions.
Awww hell yeah, new Falcon AND it's about Area 51 ❤
A very good channel ! This offering overall is the best I have viewed here to date . The music score is very good , it just has “Tha Vibe “! Thank you , very well done Sir .
@@johnnyzippo7109 your comment made my night
Imagine being a ret. USAF pilot and settled down in Nevada, In the late 50s, And one day your out in your yard with your wife Maria, And see a MIG-15 flyover your house, 💀
I got excited for a second because I thought that the thumbnail said, “The MiGs of Area 88…”
I see a new video. I watch new video. :3 glad to see you coming back and hope all is well man!
Well if that last section on the MiG-23 wasn't the most misleading cherrypicking misunderstanding of the Flogger ever...
I'm new to the channel. Love the content. You've earned a subscription. Thanks for doing what you do!
That was awesome. Like an old school documentary. Love it!
Heh. Peg
The ending to this video is awesome.
I just wanted to say I love that Deep Strike track @ 13:17
Glad you like it! My boy Chronicler knows his stuff
New Falcon vid before GTA 6
Im not surprised if they had MiGs, captured aircraft definitely tell you a lot about your piers air power.
I believe you have confused the range of the RP-23 Sapfir radar with that of the RP-21 sapfir radar, which is the one used in the export MS model, and the same one used in the MiG-21. For the RP-23, the detection range should be 45-50km against a fighter-sized target, with later models having up to ~65km range.
"Well, men. I've gathered you all here because you are the best at what you do. It's going to tough, but I know that for the good of our country you will be able to keep up with Constant Peggi-"
"Constant Peg... I meant to say, Constant Peg."
Coming for the birds, staying for the beats.
US had been working on Swing Wings since at least the 1950's as a study was done on an aircraft rather similar in design to the Sabre, but has swinging wingtips. It was a hallmark of your typical NASA study
So like the crazy op f15 with canards and thrust vectoring lol
@@Utubesuperstar Yeah. The specific aircraft that was the testbed was the Bell X-5, which was first made in 1951 and was retired in 1958
Very informative, i always wondered why we never paraded around enemy jest but that seems obvious now.
This is brilliant
Area 51 is likely also the headquarters for XCOM, I’ll see myself out.
First time here. Cool channel dude. You got my sub.
So... Falcon steals a tomcat out of groom lake? (I mean, with Iran still having some in their inventory you'd think we'd have kept at least one flying in the us inventory..)
We operated the Tomcat for 3 decades, we pretty much have all the data we need to know about it, including enough to operate something like an Eagle or a Super Hornet in a similar manner. Tragic though it may be, there's really no reason for the USN or USAF to continue operating such a a maintenance hog. Hell, the only reason we still operate the Tiger is because it's relatively cheap to maintain and small nations like Switzerland are surplusing airframes and parts all the time, and even then we're passing that training capability to contractors due to the dwindling use of MiG-21s.
At the Pueblo Weisbrod Aircraft museum, we have both the Have Drill Mig-17 and Have Ferry Mig-15. The Mig-15 is paint in North Korean colors and the Mig-17 is in North Vietnamese colors. We have USAF documentation with regards of the association with the Have Drill and Have Ferry programs.
"Tales of UFO's" (Photos of what's either an SR-71 or F-111) 😂
16:52 I believe that one had engine problems forcing the pilots to eject
Northrop tested flying wings at groom lake. They ultimately became the b2.
Actually, the B2 was developed based on classified documents of the Ho-229 that Northrop retreived from the ultra-secret antigrav NaziBase at the south pole's entrance to the hollow earth.😉
That's a sneaky A-10 you tried slipping in there at the 14:21 minute mark
You win the prize
And it's a tank in the next censored C-5 pic
@@stevemc6010totally NOT an M48 patton being unloaded. 🤭😂
Sacrificial comment to the algorithm gods. Good video.
Gotta admit, kinda surprised you didn’t make any Coast to Coast AM jokes.
It seems Falcons dream goal is a MiG-21. Mine is similar but I’d love a F4U Corsair yes I know it’s not a turbofan powered aircraft but! Corsairs did take on earlier model MiGs in combat during the Korean War. And the outro, Chefs kiss! Also free our boy Falcon! LOL.
The National Museum of the United States Air Force have one of Constant Pegs MiG-23MS’s
I would love to see a part 2 for modern russian jets.
8:50 The flyers call it:
New Falcon video!!! LFG!!!
I still want a video on the F106.
You need to do your homework at there are Russian Aircraft in El Paso TX,a full fleet.
13:06 I think it is illegal to mention the J79 without calling it mighty 🙃
Area 51 gets it's name because it is literally the 51st Area of the Nevada Test and Training Range.
That moment when America was flying almost the same amount as migs as Russia was 😂
Ahh yes the Migs a plane family that legitimately looks like a ufo at certain angles 😂😂
I’ve heard someone call the MiG-21 the AK-47 of fighter jets and I don’t think there’s a more fitting term
It would not surprise me at all if Groom Lake had an SU-57 and a J-20 in their inventory. Neither country would ever admit to losing one of their "superior 5th generation fighters."
Hellion spotted! (....moreso heard)
Hmm. Most the strange UFOs I have seen have been around Fallon Naval Air Station TOP GUN. There are things air force and navy are flying that make the Raptor look like the Wright Brothers' plane. Totally insane. I don't know what they're flying but it sure is interesting.
Bro had no Kum Sok after he defected to the US he had more than a Kum Sok 😂
My grandfather flew a bf 109 in ww2
i Saw a Mig 21 here at the Netherland German border on a scrapyard
The name "Area 51" comes from a U.S.G.S (United States Geological Survey) that mapped out the U.S. into different Areas, so Area 51 is just that, it's Area #51 on that U.S.G.S. map.
i wonder if the soviets also had their own squadron of captured western planes
@@Loli4lyf they apparently had a couple F-5s from Vietnam but that's about it
So…they trained them with Constant Peg? :3
the mig 21 acquired by the mossad, can be seen in the israeli Air force museum, it was returned to israel after it was sent over for evaluation. the 007 tail number was added later, but has nothing to do with james bond. it was just a random tail number put on in israel, instead of the iraqi tail number..
The F-5 vs MiG 21 the F-5 outperformed. So it wasn’t that an American fighter couldn’t perform
Falcon, you phrased your story with them testing the MiG-23 and then jumped to the MiG-29 and the Flanker. My question is, did these aggressors ever fly the Foxbat? The MiG-25 was grabbed by a defector and I'm curious if it got the same treatment.
@@revenvrake7412 To my knowledge, Viktor Bilenko's MiG-25 was not flown by western evaluators before being returned to the Soviets
@@fightertales To add on to this, I don't believe the US had ever acquired Foxbats or even Foxhounds in flying condition, though this could've potentially changed sometime in more recent years (with a fair number of ex-Warsaw Pact nations being willing to sell old Migs)
@@Tigershark_3082there is a MIG in storage at the Air Force museum in Dayton but it’s just that there no room to put it currently.(might be Iraqi dunno)
@@godhimself478I believe it’s one of the Iraqi ones that got buried
@@Tigershark_3082The only plausible MiG interceptor they could have gotten is the MiG-25, the MiG-31 on the other hand was never used in the Warsaw pact countries and was never exported so I doubt they got actually got it
That Mig 15 pilots name lol