Ancient History and the Bible: Listening to the Ancient Chroniclers
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Since february, I'm reading ancient historians, from Moses and Herodote to pre-"rationalist" ones (mainly before 1650,then a few untill 1870,quasi no one since).
That was there I get aware about the rabbinic scam of chronology.
That said, I intend to harmonize all those annals, chronologies, universal histories and "legendary kings" but that's incredibly difficult, not only about dates, but also because there was a use of giving a lot of different names to a single character.
I warmly recommend people to read those old historians. You will see than they weren't stupid propagandist only interested in battles, but were incredibly cultured, cultivated. Reading latin, greek, hebrew, reading all was wrote, they weren't agree between them, and above all, they have a fresh soul, a strong mind. They were so different from sinister actuals universitarians.
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Wow, I was interested by the thematic, but seeing the name of the masoretic larper of Ussher made me stop to listen. No serious chronology could be founded on Ussher. Absolutely. No. One.
Thanks for making this content public Seraphim. It is pure gold
This is one of the coolest hours on all the internet
52:40 I don't even think it's a case of listening to past historians with a scientific modern lens, but rather to **learn how to view history through THEIR lens.** This is why I liked Hancock's special even though Hancock/Carlson shrug off Christianity despite literally shoving proof for massive flood scars across the Northeast US down the throats of gradualists (who are still going straight to freshman-tier floating space teapot analogies because of the obvious implications). If we remember that, say, early Rome or peak Greece thought **they** were on the cutting technological and intellectual age in a world already ancient to **them,** it would be a great start. But we're far from that level of humility.
As a "young mind" not yet set, this was excellent. Where can I access the full list of these papers?
I've just started watching this series. Kenneth has the founding of Eire as 2035 BC, this is about the same time as the first copper mine is opened up in Ireland, apparently the ancient Celts came looking for copper. I can't remember what the dating method was though, it's in the book 'Exploring Celtic Origins: New Ways Forward in Archaeology, Linguistics, and Genetics' by Barry Cunliffe
This is fascinating. I have been hooked ever since I read James b Jordans articles on this subject over at Theopolis.
These are fantastic videos!
Love having this guy on! Keep him comin'!
Thank you. 💖 Brother
Thanks for doing this presentation. There is great apologetic value in a diverse set of ancient world historians and their testimony regarding the historicity of Biblical events that modern historians do not acknowledge. However, I still need to be convinced regarding assertions that these ancient chronologers agree so precisely with the MT against the LXX. If that is indeed the case, then the argument would have great explanatory power. Of course, this presentation was not the place for it, but there is also evidence from other ancient historians (including early Christian fathers) whose work largely agrees with the LXX chronology against the MT. I hope, when Griffith and White finally publish their work, they will be diligent in citing their ancient sources - and that these sources will be realistically available for readers (or, more likely, scholarship) to check. I am not sure, for example, how much of these ancient sources may be primary or secondary, and/or open to interpretive bias. While it is a gift that written traditions have been preserved at all, they are largely preserved in dead languages. So, ideally, skeptical readers will not be left to simply trust interpretive assertions apart from reliable 3rd party verification. In any case, I look forward to hearing and learning more about this subject in the future.
They actually are attempting to get the research content of the book also published as a set of papers. AFAIK they are at 2 out of 12 papers total. Now, that's in a creationist journal as secular scholars prob wouldn't give them the time of day, but that journal still includes a peer review process, citing of sources etc. Griffith has a academia page where you can download these papers. The first one lays out the problem and methodology and the second one does the dates for the flood/founding of Babel/dispersion. I think he even makes his data (ie list of dates from ancient historians) available somewhere but I haven't looked at it.
Unfortunately for me I don't have the requisite knowledge to evaluate any of this. Like I wouldn't be able to tell how complete is the data set of dates, how reasonable is the interpretation or assumption being made (eg. equating historical events or persons with those people in other sources like Semiramis ii, Chinese flood is Noah's flood, years as months when they are in the tens of thousands etc)
Whether they're on right or not, it's definitely a sincere attempt to find an accurate chronology.
I prefer the lxx too based on textual stuff where it seems like the other version has been tampered with to reduce references to Jesus but the difference in chronology doesn't have any bearing on messianic prophecies so there must be some other reason.
@@xxxfairyyxxx Thanks for the nice summary. Regarding the LXX vs MT debate, I'm open to the possibility that the MT was filtered to remove prophesies relevant to Christ. But I'm also certain at this point that the LXX tweaked the chronology. The question is which Hebrew manuscript did Jerome use for the Vulgate. Were there pre-masoretic manuscripts available to him?
51:30 Re: altering history to fit political and religious narratives, I'm amused by the rapid academic revision of every civilizational fall's cause to climate change and immigration. Even glaringly obvious cases like Sea Peoples and Steppe invasions are now set up not as conquering waves of warriors, but rather as a sort of unfortunate traffic accident of people in those areas pressing too close together because of some (mostly human-caused) climate shift or another. The unlucky migrants who end up getting pushed to areas that had recorded history just so happened to also flatten the civilizations they were pushed into. Anyone stepping out of this gets the Graham Hancock treatment.
I wonder when these bearded she-kings are going to be recast as transgender. The more this kind of stuff happens, the more "scientific" history will become, because of the academic Left's now long established and highly dangerous tendency to regard their narrative of the world as widely accepted ideologically neutral scientific fact, so they can shame anyone who objects to rewriting civilizational histories to serve political stances as "science deniers" or whatever. Meanwhile, civilizational histories get obliterated in service of modern materialism's desire to provide whatever "warning" it can for people to accept their overdramatic cures for climate change today. It is chauvinistic presentism at its worst.
Incidentally, this has all served as the Divine slap in the face I needed to knock me out of my vice grip on the myth of scientific neutrality and all of the fallen dominoes this major change in seeing the world implies. Videos like these have served as a breath of fresh air, especially since the Orthodox historical-philosophical-theological worldview is the correct one.,
Ironically, one of our findings, to our horror, is that Semiramis II was almost certainly the person known to history as Tukulti Ninurta I. Bearded she-king indeed. And he/she was only one of 8 such woman-kings in the ANE. Will cover that in paper 5.
@@KennethGriffith_International What would the date of Exodus be, if Abram was born in 1996 B.C (and I seem to be confused with this, as the Genesis narrative says that Abram was given birth by Terah while or before Terah was 70). I remember that you said in the comments of the previous video with Seraphim that Joshua's long day occurred in 1450 B.C.
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I listened more carefully and I realized that you're saying that Exodus happened somewhere in the end of the Early Bronze Age (which (early bronze age) is the period from 2200 to about 1500 BC, so 16th Century B.C. to be precise I think). But I'm still waiting on the answer about Abram, because I think we need to consider Isaac, Jacob and Joseph too and that in the covenant with Abraham, the Lord says unto him that his descendants will be enslaved for 400 years in a country not their own.
@@user-ig3lm4hb7q As with Noah, the age given for all three sons was his age when the oldest was born. Same with Terah age 70.
Exodus 1491 BC. The 400 years of persecution under Mizraim began with the weaning of Isaac aged 5 in 1891 BC, when Abimelech stopped up Abrams wells. Abimelech was Philistine, thus a son of Mizraim.
@@KennethGriffith_International Thank you for sharing this information. Is there more of this from you? Have you written a book or articles?
What about Shammuramat?
Fascinating!!!
This is fascinating
Loved this
Great stuff very interesting
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Hi, one question, a personal one, are you not interested in becoming a monk and aspiring to the grand scheme?
No, I'm not- I'm engaged to be married this June.
Congrats Seraphim! God bless!
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@@Seraphim-Hamilton Congratulations! I wish you both many years!
hey i wrote you an email some days ago, im looking forward for your answer, when you have time for it :)