Victoria Komova vs Gabrielle Douglas 2012 All Around final(oP 2017-21)
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Gabby had one small step on the vault landing. Vika took a long walk on the beach.
lmaoooooo
AHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You deducted Gabby on vault for out of bounds. She wasn’t deducted for that in the games.
That’s how she won
@@adarshminj2543 did you not see Komova bobbling all over the place on beam?
The oob vault deductions were weird in the 2009-12 code. It was counted as an execution mistake unless your whole foot was out.
@@anthonybaratta6152 I giggled to myself when I saw your first comment about "bobbling all over the place" but here u are again🤣🤣🤣 highlighting the very part that makes me giggle!
@@anthonybaratta6152 Two small wobbles...
Gabby didn’t go over the line on the vault, she never received the penalty
Thank you.
This is what happens when you have upset fans desperately want their favorite gymnast to win even if it means shaming and discrediting their opponent.
Zactly… not for nothing Komova landed OB and then took like 8 steps further OB on vault…. And was bobbling all over the place on Beam… her Bars were awesome but by that point she’d already kinda dig herself in a hole
Flabby was a damn mess
I love komova's gymnastics but the scoring here was clearly biased smh
Gabby won the Gold and Vic won the Silver 9 years ago.🙄 The scoring was fair and appropriate for that time period. Scoring measures have changed throughout the years. Let’s Move on.
You can tell whoever made this RUclips video is bias...
@@MD-722 the scoring was fair Gabby Douglass would have still won if it was today. The guy who did this presentation is obviously not a judge. It’s pretty obvious because he neglected to take points for many of the mistakes the beautiful Vic made. He is a fan of Vic. That’s okay...that’s great. A lot of people loved her gymnastics. The point is: GABBY DOUGLAS WON THE GOLD NINE YEARS AGO...let’s just accept that FACT and move on. Vic would make an excellent coach.
@@MD-722 nah
Say it again for those in the back.
Clearly a Victoria fan made this. Frikin 9 years later 😂 😂. After the rules changed.
They were both extraordinary but Gabbie came on top that day.
Viktoria sealed her fate that day with her vault landing. Please get over it, Vika fans. The gold belongs to Gabby.
Yeah she did… it was really bad and tbh coulda been deducted a lot more… her bars were great but she was bobbling like crazy on beam… I saw maybe one check on beam for Gabby…
Really! It was an amazing final that came down to who had the least deductions. Both incredible gymnasts.
@@anthonybaratta6152 funny how Gabby scored higher than both Aliya and Vika on bars in execution. But again, all Vika had to do was not get off the podium after landing that vault.
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People love to use this talking point but you can see the E score here: Komova's bent arms and bent knees really do her in on execution. Otherwise, she's great on bars. Gabby just doesn't have a lot of those clear deductions that Komova had.
@@joshguthrie7787But Gabby doesn't hit most of her handstands, she also has bent arms in some moves. Some of her handstands had 0.3 deductions but were given only 0.1, some judges were lenient on the Americans in those games. Let's agree that Gabby was better than Vika on that day, Vika's bars weren't up to her usual standards, but Gabby still scored higher than Aliya in execution. Aliya's routine was near flawless that day barring a couple of bent arms and a tiny step on landing.
Y’all rlly pressed abt Gabby’s win this is so biased lmao
she was overscored and Komova would have had a much greater use with the gold medal.
They both are amazing gymnasts, and while I prefer Komovas's style, Gabby still performed better at this event. It's always unfortunate to see a gymnast with such excellent potential in all events never win all-around gold at the Olympics or Worlds, but consistency and mental strength are such essential factors. As you can see on the vault, Komova sometimes takes extra steps and doesn't seem to "fight" to get things back on track once they go off course. But please be nice to her; she was only 17, after all. I'm glad that gymnastics is moving in a direction where competitors are older so they can mature more as athletes and people.
Y’all still really pressed about Gaby’s gold.
No one is pressed about Gabby's gold. I agree that Gabby should have won in 2012 the whole point of this video is to show how the scoring system has changed
@@enchantedella6495 using the phrase “ride the special bus” as an insult makes you look like someone who makes fun of special needs kids just for kicks.
@@enchantedella6495 You try and be polite and the gymtard nerds just won't quit. LMAO.
@@gymstyle5091 No kidding. That's as polite as I get. :) You know the gymternet, weirdo's like Mary lou above who spend their entire lives being the internet police.
@@enchantedella6495 I see. You are that kind of person. Always good to know.
They were both incredible gymnasts and deserve the recognition 😍
FACTS!
Komova lost this competition from the jump with that walk off the mat 🤷🏾♂️
Thank you!
She literally posed off the mat!
Yes she did!@0
Facts.
ITA. I felt horrible for her, but imo it was over for her right out of the gate.
Not sure what the point of these scores are. Its no secret that the athletes chose their routines based on how they can maximize their scores in the current system.
Just to have Fun, that's all
vika is one of my favorite gymnasts. However i think there is no question as to who won this day, even as a former gymnast. gabby was better on this day
Gabby's extremely narrow lead over Viktoria was what made this competition more exciting than others. Viktoria had a slight edge over Gabby in presentation on bars and floor, and Gabby was technically cleaner on vault and beam. I think the deciding factor for Gabby's victory was the landing on vault. Neither of them landed perfectly on this event, but Viktoria hopped off the mat and Gabby didn't.
@@ericaswenson1034 I'd argue Vika was better on beam, too, but the landing on vault was really quite bad. But she also didn't seem to fight to keep the steps to a minimum. I think Vika and Aliya were the most talented gymnasts in that room, but with Aliya's injury and Vika's nerves, the gold medal wasn't meant to be. Gabby definitely deserved that medal, best performance on the day which is what counts.
gabby never went out of bounds on vault she wasn't given the penalty at the games
If Viktoria gets a squat deduction in her standing Arabian on beam, that is just setting unrealistic expectations for execution. Do they expect gymnasts to land it completely straight legged? That’s ridiculous and Viktoria lands hers higher here than most if not everyone performing the skill.
It's really because she was off. And I am more than sure that it will be deducted. The expectations are so unrealistic. In my mind if she does a double tuck at the need and does not wobble she should get a 10.0 E Score. But the sad truth is that it won't happen
I was just saying because you already gave a 0.3 balance check deduction, so the squat deduction is just an excuse to lower the score. Sadly that’s how it seems with almost every routine these days
@@jacksonxu9901 you have to count both things she did wrong so she had a balance check and squated so those were both deductions
@@brooklynzielinski7233 if you are saying that the only way to not incur a squatting deduction is to land it completely straight legged, that is a ridiculous and unrealistic standard. That would mean practically every skill acrobatic comes with a built in squatting deduction if you’re saying even the slightest bend of the knees is considered a squat. I’d think that the squatting deduction only applies if the squat is excessive like around 90 degrees, but I’m not a judge so🤷🏻♂️ For skills like that, gymnasts have to bend their knees a bit to absorb the landing, so that shouldn’t be something considered “wrong”. There’s no way landing as high as Viktoria does on her Arabian should incur a squat deduction
My thoughts exactly
do one of these for nastia and shawn!
Gabby Douglas is and will always be All- Around Gold Medalist. She earned it and deserved it. She was the best gymnast in the world on that day. Victoria Komova is an amazing gymnast and won the Silver, but Gabby deserved the Gold. The judges were very nice to Komova on that horrible vault. Had that been Biles or Gabby stepping off the whole runway, they would've scored them so low that they would've been damn near out of the competition. Komova recovered but Gabby was just too steady. Komova didn't lose the Gold medal. Gabby won it, and that's the most important thing.
Komova deserved the Gold period. Gabby was over scored because of her being American, What did that Gold medal give Gabby? Some tv appearances and followers on instagram? Komova needed that medal way more not only because of her obviously being way better then gabby but also the fact you literally get payed for these medals, And you don't want to know how people live in Russia. this sports so dead to be honest. Always favouring westerners.
@@sanasgirl The gold medal goes to the competitor with the most points, not the one from the poorest country. This is the Olympics, not a charity. Komova still won silver which is plenty to be proud of because she's an amazing gymnast, but no one deserves to win gold just because of where they're from.
@@nic5264 No one said that, She deserved it because she was obviously better and overscored. But what that medal gave Gabby and what that medal wouldve given Komova is a HUGE difference that you're too ignorant to accept. Get well soon in your clear lack of taste though.
The only bad overscoring was in favor of Komova. She should’ve lost at least 0.4 more on that vault than the did. Huge gift from the judges
@@sanasgirl You're trying so hard to convince everyone else in the comments otherwise but the fact is that Gabby is the Gold Medal AA Champion. Komova's vault was horrible and that's what cost her the Gold. If the very clear video footage we have accessible here is not clear enough for your eyes, you need to get them checked or you're clearly in denial. Komova had the talent and skills to beat Gabby, but the matter of fact is, Gabby did better the one day it mattered and it seems that people like you will never accept it and that's okay because Gabby won the Gold which she deserved. No one here needs to be an expert in scoring gymnastics to see how Komova could not beat Gabby.
Gabs performance in the AA was amazing.
Gabby Douglas, you will always be an Olympic Champion 🥇🥇🥇
I feel Komova did not have the will to fight for the gold medal. She could have easily saved some steps on the vault, she just gave up. She could have easily won the gold :)
0.1 for squat in Vika's Arabian? There's no way of doing it better
That’s why no one does the Arabian in the quad
You haven't been on the floor with many elite athletes...with enough height in their talto of any kind they can open up enough to never end an acrobatic skill in a squat unless they open too late.
@@kevinjewell233 mmm so why any olympian or top elite gymnast has done anything like what you are describing in competition?
Gymnasts have to bend their knees slightly to absorb the landing. If they land stiff/straight legged they could really hurt themselves. It’s just ridiculous to deduct such a high landing like Viktorias for squatting. It just seems like a reach pile on deductions to keep the scores low considering her other skills like her back tuck didn’t get the same deduction according to the video. Yes she had a small balance check (I’d even argue that 0.3 is too much for a check like that) but that should have been it.
Her Arabian in qualifications was LITERALLY perfect. Go back and watch her routine.
Tim Dagget in 1996 in Atlanta summed what happened here up very correctly:
"I doubt you'll see an Olympic Champion take a step on their first or more comfortable vault."
Obviously, Gabby took a step too, but the point is an Olympic Champion doesn't make a mistake like that and win. For Komova, it was over the moment she took those steps.
Paul Hamm won after literally almost falling over the judges table....
@@marasepulvedaj17 he also didn't win. He was scored incorrectly. But we digress.
I mean she basically just gave up on that landing and casually walked off the mat.
@@marasepulvedaj17 he didn’t deserve that win
In 1996 your D score was capped at 5.0 and you E score would be chopped away with a step on vault and was very costly. In 2006+ your D score was no longer capped and so people with bigger vault D scores could afford a step, or more. Gabby, Aly, and Viktoria had amanar vaults which was in 2012 0.7 higher than the next power vault performed that day, the double twist yurchenko. So if a step counted 0.1 0.3 or even more, you still had that 0.7 buffer
Gabrielle Douglas won fair and square let’s leave it there! Thanks a long time fan of hers and the gymnastics community! Been watching since 92’ games
The AA Silver medalist is always the better gymnast. Eg; Simona Amanar, Rebecca Andrade, Sventlana Khorkina, Viktoria Komova.
History never remembers the silver medalist- no matter how much "better" you think they are.
@@FreshLemons24 Komova is far more remembered then Douglas, Gabby is literally unknown. I haven't heard about that girl since maybe 2016.
@@FreshLemons24 To say that people don't remember Daniela Silivas, Amanar and Khorkina 💀💀💀
These deductions are largely inaccurate and you absolutely don't know what you're talking about when you give Komova credit for a layout jaeger.
well guess what? gabby beat her in the ACTUAL olympics! keep crying about it. she’s the real winner here ffs.
Gabby earned this victory. Vika took 4 steps after her vault. 3 of those steps weren’t even on the landing mat. Hola was also beaten in 2011. She’s an amazing gymnast but the rules still
Apply to you.
unfortunately gabby was better that day. but komova is a dream gymnast👑
@Dylan Klebold It truly is
At the time komova was the most gracious and greater AAr with beautiful technique and artistry. Such gymnast deserved an olympic gold medal D-wise and E-wise however she messed up on E
@@susustudies855 Gabby has proven to be better which is why she has 3 Olympic Golds compared to Komova's 0.
Gabby is black excellence there is nothing unfortunate about her winnining this shit.
@Leigh L Komova was injured in 2015, and broke her back in 2016 before the Olympics. Gabby never had any major injury, while Komova was marred with injuries after injuries. Gabby's coaches (including her childhood coaches) were better than Komova's who peaked her in the 2010 Olympics and not as a senior. You can't say Komova had better coaches.
unfortunately?
I find it funny, how people keep doing this. It doesn't matter the history books are solidified Gabby won gold in there code of points.
It is nice to watch this video after all these years. Both Gabby and Viktoria are great gymnasts, and Gabby was better on that day, she is an awesome AA Olympic champion !
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Que significa AA?
@@noemyvalenzuela2039 All Around :)
This was unquestionably a very close match between Douglas and Komova. I agree with you that both performed brilliantly overall, but both also made a visible error on vault. Komova stepping off the mat, resulting in a significant deduction of points for her, was most likely what gave Douglas the edge in the end. The Russians have always been esteemed for their fine artistry but lack the technical cleanness of the Americans.
@@ericaswenson1034 Floor part of Victoria was more clean, difficult and artistically.
Beam part was better for Douglas. she was more stable, l think.
People need to realize that being an Olympic gold medalist in gymnastics is all about brining your absolute best, most focused gymnastics on the single day you are competing. You could argue that maybe Komova had some more difficult moves on bars and was a little bit more graceful in some instances, but she didn’t have the mental toughness on the day required, and Gabby did, which is why Gabby is the Olympic All-Around Champion, and in my opinion, one of the greatest gymnasts of all time.
Little more graceful?? are you kidding, gabby has absolutely no grace and artistry in her gymnastics, its all power. вика комова чемпионка 2012 !
the what now?
@@sanasgirl she lost though
Actually, if you look at the scores in the end, Gabby has her beat thanks to the vault. If it wasn't for the vault, Victoria would've won since she has more points on bars, beam, and floor.
It really goes to show how that one instrument can get you out of the gold.
@@irondragonmaiden And how do you know Komova would’ve done as well on the other events as she did had she not messed up on vault? Context and situation matters too. Maybe Komova would’ve relaxed if she scored better on vault in the AA final and not done as well on the other events
Gabby win All around!!! Periodt
You mean Viktoria? Who is "Gabby"?? Local..
I totally forgot Gabby ever did a one-armed pirouette!
They both are amazing athletes. Let's not tarnish what happened 9 years ago. You must also consider level of difficulty. A gymnast can look amazing and land a perfect routine but the level of difficulty is not understood by most people.
У Комовой была на тот период сложная программа , особенно на бревне
Really great performance congratulations to all participants 🙏
A lot of these deductions were most likely not taken, and many deductions were missed as well. Komova’s bent arms on her jaeger, many of the angle deductions, Gabby’s front pike, Gabby’s hop being counted as .3 instead of .1 on beam dismount, taking a “lack of split” deduction on Gabby’s stag jump, the form deduction on Gabby’s dance series, etc
I don't see where did the uploader find a deep squat in Komova's arabian. lol. This was a messed up video
Cause they give it to everyone no matter how upright they are. Gotta stand damn near straight not to get the deduction
Komova is the most elegant gimnast I've ever seen and her exercises are extremly difficult.
Have you seen many gymnasts?
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@@ella_encantada Komova IS the most elegant gymnast out there, she is pure grace and skill that even some of the Soviet gymnasts don't have. Her leaps are perfect and her sheep jump is the best in the world. Also her lines on bars are drop dead gorgeous.
@@fortheloveofcats2462 I agree except most Soviet gymnasts DO have grace because they incorporate dance/ballet training. It's just the culture there. Even Nastia Liukin who was competing on the American team was elegant and graceful as a dancer in her performances as well. But her parents are Russian (father was a gymnast and mother was a rhythmic gymnast). If you trace Soviet gymnastics wayyyy back in time you will be able to see how they were basically professional dancers compared to everyone else. Things have changed a lot since then, but the Soviets have always been the most elegant/graceful in these sports out of anyone else. Great stuff!
@@irinaivanovic9792 Nastia Liukin is Russian. She clearly has Russian Ballet style. Every Russian and ussr gymnast is far more better than America.
komova was beautiful and graceful, yes, but there is such a difference in focus, determination, etc. which is what gymnastics is about. she sealed her silver in the first event. her vault, it seems like she literally just gave up. both gymnasts were incredible, and it was super close. the rest of the apparatus' they had similar performances, both relatively solid with the normal form deductions here and there, both a few bobbles on beam, etc. I feel komova's attitude cost her the gold; douglas was confident, while komova was a little arrogant thinking she had it in the bag, and when she faltered on vault, she just gave up. douglas fought to get everything she could out of that vault once her landing was off.
Komova does not have the muscle that the weightlifting men looking women have from the USA, Its not an easy vault when you have little muscle. Komova was without a doubt better on every other event except vault. She was robbed, point. blank. period !
@@sanasgirl obviously she wasn't better, because she didn't win. gymnastics is equally about strength as it is about grace and fluidity.
@@michellegraff2244 The problem is when you don't have artistry but all you have is strength, which is gabby. She won she qualifications and had the highest program so she definitely was way better.
@Wiktor Rablewski if she had hit her vault she would have won. She didn't hit.
@@Lovememore231 She was underscored everywhere. The USA girl was overscored.
Someone really needs to let things go. Gabby seems to be living rent free in someone’s mind for the last 12 years. As a Disney Princess once told us all, “Let It Go!” Gabby, you are the Olympic Champion fair and square. Let us pray that certain national teams will end their systemic doping of athletes to ensure a fair playing field. Yup, looking at you Russian Federation and China! Cheaters never fair well in the end.
Even with all the additional deductions you found on Gabby and ignored on Vika, you ended up squeezing it out by only 2 tenths of a point. Not correct.
Look, the reality is that Vika walked away from her gold medal on the vault. I love both gymnast and knew it would be close, but after Vika's vault and them giving nearly identical performances on everything else, the judges had to give the gold to Gabby.
The only travesty here is the journey. Vika lost her gold in the all around unfairly in 2011, comes here to win an olympic all around, meets her American counterpart, and then gives it away on the first apparatus of the all around competition.
Komova was better than gabby, If anything Komova was a threat to Gabby. But the judges heavily favoured the American of course.
@@sanasgirl there was no heavy favoritism. Every routine other than vault was consistently scoring right around a 9.00 on execution. So we couldn’t be surprised when Vika pulled a Greta floor routine out of no where, that it was awarded a D score as just. Gabby performed on floor as well as she had in the team final and was rewarded for that. Gabby was slightly better on beam. Vika was slightly better on bars. The scores reflected this. This has them tied. They did the same vault, which Gabby was slightly better at. Vika stumbled, while Gabby nearly stuck. It is what it is. I’m just sad that Vika was not given the 2011 all around title. There was bias at this competition. THERE WAS NOT BIAS BY THESE JUDGES WHEN IT CAME TO SCORING BETWEEN THESE TWO GYMNAST.
@@JetBlueAirways320 There was tho, Viktoria was way better on bars, beam and floor. The favouritism was glass clear. We all know Viktoria is far more superior than Gabby but the judges wanted to play some trick or something.Gabby has no artistry and is like a robot.
@@sanasgirl Okay well with the statement you just made, you are clearly too biased to look at the facts, and therefore have NO argument. I'm glad you firmly believe in your opinions, as they certainly have nothing to back them up factually. Go cry somewhere else about your favorite superior athlete. The results are what they are, and not because any tricks were played. You just can't accept a black girl beat your favorite russian prima. I love Vika, but Gabby won this competition, and it is said that you will never accept it, because you can't argue with facts. We're done here.
@@JetBlueAirways320 Stop bringing up her race like thats her whole personality, It sounds wierd as fuck. nonetheless Viktoria is the real champion and is the quenn while gabby looks like a man and is like a robot, her gymnastics is terrible. your biased because you are american lol
I think Gabby’s switch ring would still be credited. It would likely receive .1 deduction for lack or sufficient upper back arch and .3 for foot at shoulder height but the D panel deductions, according to the CoP, didn’t hit a downgrade. She still put her head back and hit enough of the split. Also, I’m pretty sure Komova didn’t do a switch split 1/1 on floor it was just a regular split leap 1/1 so you gave her .1 higher on her floor d score than she should have received. I think Gabby still should have won if everything else was correct.
😝
I sure hope the switch "ring" wasn't credited, its one of the ugliest things I've ever seen..
Комова сделала прыжок в кольцо одной ногой
@@sanasgirlKomova is ugly so there’s that 🥱
Dude is this video for people to learn the score of Gymnastics or are you still hell bent that the judge didn't mark Gabby down?
They review the clip and she was good, Russia and no other countries at the moment contested to the score and she won fair and square.
He's pressed!!!
Usa is dog shit, Russia is better then them!!
Komova was one of the most stylish gymnasts ever, shame she had to retire, I don't think we got to see the best of her.
You over scored Viktoria’s vault... she took multiple big steps which are a 0.5 deduction (x3)...
One step can only be 0.3 if higher than shoulder length
First step certainly was wider than shoulder lrmgth
@@ChesterfieldHector Yes so they took .3 for the first step and .1 for the next three steps.
Komova was robbed. If she was american she would have won, she was robbed many times in her career. Gaddy scored increased suspiciously from her QF. It was close race but Komova got robbed. Gabby went out of bounds in her second pass as well. Even u take 0.5 komovas vault she was robbed, sad reality.
@@thumon176 ??? Gabby was behind Komova by .4 in QF with a major miss on floor. Couple that with better transitions in bars and Komova giving up on vault, there really should be no question. Gabby didn't actually go out of bounds in AA, and even if she did, she still would've won. You're being ridiculous. Also if you're talking about scores being higher, please don't forget to mention that Komova's score increased by 1.3 in finals as well.
Komova was better by far! However, she never had that Champion mindset, as we see on Biles or Mustafina. On that night, Gabby was focused from vault to floor, and won fair and square.
If Komova was better she would’ve won… Gabby Douglas is one of the greatest all-around gymnasts ever
@@hydroflask8992 she did. In qualifications
Just admit komova is a better gymnast and all arounder than gabby, but not on that day
Oh---I SEE----SO THIS VIDEO is all about putting Gabby down, spitting on her achievement (you probably wish you could spit on her) & stating she should NOT have won the Gold medal? WHO can even say that the points Victoria had deducted were even enough? Perhaps she should have lost more. She lost by .5; maybe she should have lost by MORE points. I'll be honest---I was PISSED for years by how BADLY Dominique Dawes was treated by the gymnastics world. She was robbed time & again of points she should have earned, but were taken to make it so she could NEVER move ahead. Because we can't have Dawes move ahead of any of the popular White gymnasts. It got to the point where I could guess her score BEFORE she even performed!!! * I STOPPED watching gymnastics for many years after Dawes retired. The judges just were NEVER going to give her, her due. Her legacy should have been much greater than it was, but due to RACISM (and these so-called gymnastic professional judges had no problem expressing their racist thoughts about Dawes "back in the day"), she was robbed of what she SHOULD have had. MAYBE Douglass winning was a kind of KARMA. Nothing against Viktoria---but scores aside---I was GLAD that FINALLY a BLACK person TRIUMPHED in the gymnastics world on a GRAND SCALE as the Olympics! Don't kid yourself that this "has nothing to do with Race", because EVERYTHING in this life does!
What's this got to do with her being black? What did Gabby get from that medal? Insta followers and some Tv appearances? Komova would have gotten a lot more like actual money because gymnastics a job there basically!! KOMOVA WAS ROBBED PERIODT
Komova’s laid out jaeger should not have been credited. It’s either downgraded to a pike jaeger with insufficient pike position (-0.1) or credited jaeger with insufficient layout position (-0.3)
I think one thing people aren’t accounting for with this video is that the scoring is coming from the point of view of one “judge”, when in reality the E-scores would be an average of several judges’ scores, so it’s not like these results are set in stone. I definitely think a more lighthearted video was taken too seriously lol.
Both were suppior athletes in their own right and were great to watch.
superior* and ya.
Wow, I forgot about the Balance Breaks Komova had on beam.... It was not her day, that day.. :(
If you do this video, I think you should use the execution they got from the judges, not your own execution score
If you took 3 tenths off for precision on Gabby’s turn on floor, then Viktoria definitely got the same deduction for her memmel, so technically, Gabby still won lmao. Gabby won fair and square, and people need to stop being so pressed about it 😂
Komova era melhor, porém errou feio no salto e Gaby q estava logo atrás não desperdiçou a oportunidade e levou o ouro. Rebeca é muito superior a Sunisa e não ganhou o individual geral em 2021🎉
Viktoria’s front aerial + back tuck on beam shouldn’t have been credited as a connection. It’s super super slow, how is that even a connection
THIS is why I LOVE Simone's entrance into gymnastics. Her wins do no leave ANY room for debate whether it is according to this COP or any COP under which she once competed. From what we could tell, it looks like Simone's AA program from 2016 would still be tops today among other competing gymnasts; AMAZING! As for this Gabby and Viktoria scoring comparison and continued debate, I think people will see what they want to see and NOT SEE what they don't, hence I have to accept what the judges decided then. It makes no sense to compare under this code because EVERY coach prepares their gymnast for the COP that exists at the time. Vik and Gab's coaches would have done the same and we might have had the same result.
I actually kind of miss the high stakes competition like these, where the result is not a given. That said, I'll surely miss Simone whenever she retires.
I agree that the motives for a video like this are... confusing. But still kind of fun to watch, I suppose. I wish Komova had hit perfectly at this meet for her sake, but don't think that any CoP arbitrarily applied to these routines ought to bring her ahead of Douglas based on their respective performances that day.
@@_padfootWell we have had these 'high stakes competitions' for a long time and they still exist except for first place in AA, vault and floor. Everywhere else and for every other medal there is hot competition.
@@aliciamcdonald7105 well.. also add 'team' competition to the list of no competition at this time. So really... just beam and bars are left, no? 2 of the 6 medal events. I was intrigued to see that the strength of Russia's juniors has created a situation where their team scores could truly prove a threat to team USA with the exception of the score gap provided solely by Simone. As much as I hope she does continue on to Paris 2024, I am looking forward to the day when a team competition is fierce again.
@@_padfoot Yes I did not add team competition and yes that is practically a given as well. I don't know about Russia's Juniors team scores really threatening a US team without Simone though because if Simone is not there, then someone else would take her place. If that someone is Jade then you will still have quite a gap and if everyone on the US team compete to their full CAPABILITIES even with a team of Suni, Leanne, Jordan and Grace, the best I imagine the Russian team could do is come within a point.
Note I said FULL CAPABILITIES because none of those that I mentioned have been doing that to date. I am convinced that whenever Simone retires from team competition, all the other US gymnasts will bring all that they have to bear on such event JUST SO to prove that they can get the job done without her and I fully believe they will for a while yet.
@@aliciamcdonald7105 Yep I think The Balance Beam Situation blog did an analysis of this and determined that regardless of who replaced Simone team USA would have probably a point and change edge over Russian -- even so, that's a *relatively* exciting difference because it's within the realm of 1 or 2 disaster routines to change the outcome. Just food for thought.
Yah, sorry but Gabby would still beat Viktoria. You where HEAVILY biased on Viktoria. No hate just saying that Gabby won and there's nothing Viktoria fans can do about it😒😌
No, Gabby is bad. Komova is way better and She's the real champion. Period!
Gabby Douglas and Aly Raisman were both so superior to Viktoria Komova and people are here denigrating the Olympic champion Gabby Douglas for a headcase like Komova who had some balance breaks that weren't listed. It was a decent routine but open to deductions. Douglas was deducted despite her foot injury.
If Gabby's Ring is awarded she would end up beating vika by 0.2. However here back virtually has no arch so it really should not be. If you agree with me pl. Comment down below leave any suggestion you have in the comments;)
For a cop challenge for any event can you do a routine with skills that have not been name after yet
But you know a great coach like Chow would never send an athlete out without a D-score base to beat the competition, so skills would be re-arranged and others changed to give Gabby the advantage before setting foot on the competition floor!!!
Gabbys bar score should’ve been .2 higher especially from her cast to handstand on the low bar she was dead in a handstand when she turned to go to the high bar.
You underscored her uneven bars and vault. Her handstands were grear a d she didnt have bent knees on vault
I need to look at the code of points again so please don’t take this as anything but a genuine question. I feel like Gabby’s last split jump on floor should have had an amplitude deduction as well. It’s just looked really flat compared to even the stag (I realize how hard a connection like that is). Am I being too harsh there?
And the point of this video is moot . Retton would have won silver under “new life” ….Miller would have won in 92 under 84 and 88 carry over scores … so ? 🤷♂️ … destiny …. It was Gabby’s destiny to win gold
I actually think Mustafina was better than Komova overall.
she was
Hell no
Oh Please, let's Not get into this ridiculous race ethnicity between two Great Olympic Gymnast..Gabby Douglas, Showed Up and Showed Out! She was Amazing and Spectacular on the Uneven bars, balance beam, Vault and Floor exercise. Gabby Douglas was Well trained by the Best Gymnastic U.S. Olympic coaches. She also has an Amazing Support system with her Family being there to support Gabby Douglas as well as her Extended Family. So, therefore, Gabby Douglas pretty much performed at her Fullest Olympic Gold Medal potential. She was well prepared mentally to perform under such High Olympic pressure from the Whole Entire World 🌎 watching this Amazing African American Woman, GABBY DOUGLAS make History. It was literally her Olympic Gold Medal Day to Shine, and God gave Gabby Douglas the strength 💪 🙏, the confidence 🙏 and physical ability to perform her Very Best and GABBY DOUGLAS did just that..
The beam scores were WAY to high
These were awesome beam routines they scored 15.500 and 15.441 in London which were amongst the top 3 scores in London. Komova has I believe 0.4 inbuilt deductions which is crazy. Can you try to point out any place where I missed to take a deduction?
This was nine years ago scoring has changed over the years go the owner a break
Get over it! This was one of the best finals for me because Vika was so solid on everything else. We really thought she would make that comeback. I held my breath the entire time because it could have gone any way. But in the end, Gabby won
Squat for arabian? Hmmmm I don’r think, there are other ways to land it cuz the gymnast needs to absorb the impact by bending it a bit. I think if it’s a low squat, maybe YES. Unless they wanna get injured by landing with legs straight.
Komova is very sulky
Is Vika performing to "The Show Must Go On" by Queen??!? Literally my dream FX music😻😻💪🌺
did komova even have a squat on her arabian on beam??
No
Eso fue un robo total
You’re taking points off for flexed feet, arm positions, and .3 for balance checks? You’re wrong.
Вика ты лучшая, надо было подавать апелляцию, ты самая талантливая гимнаст ка мира!!! Золотая девочка!!!
I don’t get the squat deduction on Komova’s arabian. Isn’t a slight bent on knees accepted as landing?
Shes lost the gold because of the vault. Everything else she owned. A true Olympian
You didn’t take any artistry deductions????? Why even make this video just say u think Komova was robbed or whatever and move on
Komova é a verdadeira campeã. É absurda a diferença da beleza, graciosidade e plástica da ginástica dela, aliás, de todas as russas. A ginástica dos EUA é horrível, parece robô!
Komova could have beaten Wieber at Worlds but she didn’t, same with Douglas. Her lack of consistency was what gave the two silvers.
Gabby, Spectacular!
🥇O OURO ERA PRA SER PRA VITÓRIA KOMOVA... ELA FOI MELHOR DO Que a Gabi Douglas 👍
vika's leap at 8:36 is a split leap full/ a tour jete half, not a switch full
Lol why do you deduct leg separation on a 1.5 twist step-out? That’s like the point of it being a step out
The leg separation happened before the step-out. The goal is to get as close to the image in the COP as possible.
Victoria was brilliant, Gabby was 2d to her
Some of this is really wrong
I could watch Komova on beam all day. Her lines are just soooo beautiful 😍
Komova giving up on her vault = deserved the silver medal, did not earn the gold!
Neither Gabby nor Vika would get those beam execution scores with this code...if Simone's perfect routine at 2019 Worlds EF only got 8.666, I could see Vika getting an 8.700 if she hit a perfect routine, but with the checks she had 8.3 is more likely. As for Gabby her ring leap could be deducted even more heavily so maybe 8.1.
Gabby won the 🪙! PERIODT!! Stop hating!!!
she was overscored, that's why she won.
@@sanasgirlSaid the haters 😂
Interesting video. Komova's floor d score should be 5.4 instead of 5.5 because you mistook her regular split leap 1/1 (C) for a switch split leap 1/1 (D). There are some places for both gymnasts where you should have taken deductions but didn't, while others you over deducted, but overall the e scores mostly ended up making sense. VT and UB e scores look spot on based on current code. Both beam and floor e scores would likely be even lower tho cause 8.6-8.7 are simply not happening lol. Tho I'm guessing you just didn't take artistry deductions since they didn't exist yet, but if they did e scores would further lower to like 8.2-8.4.
I don't think the video is biased cause e scores are fairly much lower than they were in London quad and your differences ended up being overall similar. The d score part besides your mistake is very interesting since that's more objective.
2012 quad:
Gabby d scores- 6.5+6.6+6.5+6.1=25.7
Vika d scores- 6.5+7.0+6.4+6.0=25.9
Gabby e scores- 9.466+9.133+9.0+8.933=36.532
Vika e scores- 9.066+8.966+9.041+9.1=36.173
2021 quad:
Gabby d scores- 5.8+5.9+5.5+5.6=22.8 or 23 if you credit switch ring
Vika d scores- 5.8+6.4+5.7+5.4=23.3
Your Gabby e scores- 9.2+8.6+8.6+8.3=34.7
Your Vika e scores- 8.5+8.5+8.7+8.6=34.3
2021 d scores with 2012 e scores has: Vika 59.473 beats Gabby 59.332. If you credit the switch ring Gabby wins with 59.532.
2021 d scores with your 2021 e scores has:
Vika 57.6 beats Gabby 57.5. If you credit the switch ring Gabby wins 57.7.
Tbh there's no way Gabby's switch ring ever gets credit in 2021 code so basically either by your or London judge e scores Komova barely wins by 0.1.
It is interesting that Komova has a bigger d score advantage in 2021 quad since in London she only had 0.2 d score advantage while in 2021 she would have 0.3 d score advantage even if Gabby switch ring got credited and 0.5 d score advantage if it doesn't which is likely. And this is with Komova connections not even getting CV at all even if they were successful (tho lol even if they were eligible for CV they would never get credit cause they're so slow) plus sheep jump sadly being downgraded from D to C. Komova d scores really benefited from layout Jaeger being upgraded to F and Patterson dismount getting 0.3 CV.
So basically in 2012 quad Komova only has 0.2 d score advantage so it isn't enough to make up for vault error and she loses by 0.2, but in 2021 she would have 0.5 d score advantage and is barely able to win by 0.1.
On beam for form it gave Gabby a .3 deduction, but the same mistake from the Russian athlete only got a .1 deducation. That makes no sense to me.
I know this is an older video, but I'm *so* confused by some of these deductions. there are several times on beam you deduct 0.3 for gymnasts landing in a squat where there either was no squat (having *slightly* bent legs to absorb the landing is different than a deep squat that deserves a 0.3 deduction) or where the squat deserved a 0.1 deduction.
now, to be fair, I'm not an expert, and I'm not sure if you're using the deductions that were actually given to the gymnasts. I'm going to go take a brief look at a recording of the AA final just out of curiosity.
but I wonder if maybe it would be better to show the changes in COP just by showing how the DV changed and using the existing execution scores? again, I'm not an expert, so maybe changes were made to certain deductions, so if that's the case, feel free to let me know.
Viktorias routines are a treat to watch
Gabrielle is unbeatable
this is so random
2:33 how can i only deduct 0.1 for the hop when she piked down a lot
3:35 this wouldnt be counted as connectio for too arms swinging
4:52 form of the switch leap and flexed foot on piked
5:16 bent knees
5:49 flexed feet, low chest
floor is even worst
Komova debió ganar
Komova's attitude throughout her gymnastics career has been one of the worst I've ever seen. She treats those around her like servants and acts like a toddler when things don't go her way. I'm thankful karma caught up with her.
Komova perdió por el salto no hubo tal concentración , pero fue muy superior en los otros tres aparatos su viga fue arriesgada sus Barras una belleza si hubiera estado fuerte días después tal vez le quita el oro a Mustafina. Y el piso de Komova lo dice todo Izbasa y Ponor aplaudiendo el público entusiasmado
Exactly. Generally, Komova is classy!!!
1:05 was that Zhang Jin's iconic floor music?
You were very liberal with gabbys deductions and ultra conservative with Victoria. Your point would work best if you kept the execution scores and update your difficulty. As it stans now, your video is off on accuracy. No way was Victoria beam and floor that much better then gabby.
Hey…..Has anybody done these routines under the current code. I feel like Gabby would be ahead again. Or still sorry. Komova did herself in on vault.
Some people are so desperate to rewrite history. 🤦♂️🤦♂️. I love looking at old competition scores and comparing them to today’s COPs. What you can’t do (unless you are trying to grasp at straws) is make up your own deductions. The comparison from one COP era to another can only-y be done if you use the deductions that applied in the original era. Nice try though.
This video was a waste of time
This is based on COP 5 years later from the actual time when the event took place..So yeah this evaluation is irrelevant as to who won the gold..komova has grace and difficulty but lacks mental toughness...at the end of the day it doesn't matter what level of difficulty you are capable of, but how well you perform when it matters the most...gabby performs well on that most important day, while komova on the other hand fails to performs her vault which happens to be the event that gabby has high diffculty..so yeah, gabby won fair and square...2 olympics had passed already so let it rest in the past as well...peace be with us all..
So I thought this was a fantastic video showing side by side comparison but I'm confused. Is the video saying that kamova should have won over Gabby? Komova did an unbelievable floor routine but for some reason it looked like she couldn't compensate by getting extra points. What am I missing here?