Berkhoff was wayward on common grace. Common grace is magical pixie dust that people who think they're reformed sprinkle on everything to assuage their consciences.
That confused the heck out of me. By what I understand God’s will is, All creation to be under His orderly arrangement. Thus Grace is given to every obedient soul. God’s atonement through Christ death is over all creation. Thus it’s redeemed in the end. Only those who do not except the free gift and or resist truth become unworthy by their own merit. Grace is Grace?
@@theodoreparillo5090 Arminian/Pelagius, two names for the indoctrinated. Light and dark was separated before humanity was even created. God set the boundaries. It’s a loving God who helps in times of need. We suffer for our own choices. God has made provision for all to enter in. He didn’t make man for hell. Why do you resist God’s goodness? Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
The neo-Calvinist doctrine of common grace is only a step away from the Arminian view of prevenient grace. The irony is that the Arminians got their doctrine of prevenient grace from John Wesley. Wesley, however, redefined the doctrine of prevenient grace as it was laid out by Archbishop Thomas Cranmer in the 42 Articles of Religion and later edited by Archbishop Matthew Parker in the 1662 Book of Common Prayer's edition of the 39 Articles of Religion. Cranmer's view of prevenient grace was that it was an irresistible grace that raised the sinner from spiritual death. Cranmer's view was in line with Calvinism. Augustus Toplady was Wesley's theological opponent who upheld the Calvinist view in the Anglican tradition. Predestination is taught in the Bible. Interestingly, double predestination is also taught in the 39 Articles of Religion.
It seems that grace is all either side speaks on. The teaching of mercy is never spoken of when it comes to salvation. Rom.9 says. 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. As to Grace, it is varied and diverse. Paul was given grace that enabled him to understand and teach the searchable riches of Christ. Grace operates on our hearts to regenerate us. Before Paul says all this. In the previous chapter he tells us we were DEAD in trespasses and sin. But even before he says that, he says, " you He made ALIVE. Because God who is rich in MERCY & great love made us live together with Christ. In chapter one he says, it is because of the exceeding greatness of His power towards us. This is why we believe by the working of His mighty power. The mercy is the why of regeneration, grace is the operation of the power of regeneration, Faith is the gift of God that enables us to understand & believe all this. We have been BROUGHT near by the blood of Christ. He ends chapter 3 by saying, " Now to HIM who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above what we can ask or think according to the power that works in us.
Question (please only answer if you really know!) - I understand that prevenient grace is directed towards our salvation and common grace is not but does the Arminian believe that prevenient grace includes all the kindnesses of God in the world (the sun, the rain etc) that the Calvinist calls common grace (since these kindnesses can be used to lead us to God)?
Common grace cannot lead ANYONE to God even if you accept the neo-Calvinist view. That's because the neo-Calvinist view is that God has a non-saving love for those predestined to reprobation before the creation of the world. I do not believe in common grace because God hates the wicked and He has predestined the wicked reprobate to everlasting punishment in hell. Romans 9:11-13.
@@cranmer1959common grace can lead some to assent to some of the spiritual truths in scripture. Best example would be Jordan Peterson. But common grace cannot lead someone to love God. How can you reject the notion of common grace? Even the reprobate benefits from common grace.
@4jchan The benefits that the reprobate reap from providence are designed by God to harden them in their rebellion and the purpose God has is to damn them to hell for their immorality and wickedness. Roman 1:18-32; Jeremiah 13:23; Ecclesiastes 7:9.
This is now a very old post. I have since concluded that there is no such thing as either common grace or prevenient grace. I'm not saying that God shows no generosity to people who are yet to be saved - I am saying that in the bible the word grace is never used to describe any element of the way that God relates to people before they are united with him (saved). So we shouldn't call any generosity of God prior to conversion grace. What evidence is there then in the bible concerning God's generosity - what revelation of God's character is there - to those yet to be saved? Here is what I have identified: - God is patient, forbearing, and kind to those yet to be saved (Romans 2:4). Since God does not unite with people who are not saved (to be saved is to be united with God) these things are MERCY. - The kindness of God is NOT irresistible - since Romans 2:4 says that it is MEANT to lead people to repentance (it wouldn't say that it is meant to unless it did not always do so - due to free will). - The kindness of God is mercy not grace. In Romans 1 we find out that the result of human beings each rebelling against God in the same way that Adam and Eve did (not due to original sin - nowhere in the bible is the doctrine of original sin established) - with an act of evil doing - free, knowing, and wilful sin - we are objects of wrath (Eph 2:3) who God judges in two ways (both explained in Romans 1) - first God allows us to become inclined towards sin - and second he allows us to become ignorant. The kindness of God is that God ensures that neither of these two things prevent us from making an aware and free choice in respect of the gospel.
@@ThomasCranmer1959yes but one cannot deny the fact it is common grace because reprobate's enjoy the benefits of common grace. So I believe it has a dual purpose. To judge and to bless.
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Berkhoff was wayward on common grace. Common grace is magical pixie dust that people who think they're reformed sprinkle on everything to assuage their consciences.
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That confused the heck out of me. By what I understand God’s will is, All creation to be under His orderly arrangement. Thus Grace is given to every obedient soul. God’s atonement through Christ death is over all creation. Thus it’s redeemed in the end. Only those who do not except the free gift and or resist truth become unworthy by their own merit. Grace is Grace?
@@theodoreparillo5090 Arminian/Pelagius, two names for the indoctrinated. Light and dark was separated before humanity was even created. God set the boundaries. It’s a loving God who helps in times of need. We suffer for our own choices. God has made provision for all to enter in. He didn’t make man for hell. Why do you resist God’s goodness?
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
The neo-Calvinist doctrine of common grace is only a step away from the Arminian view of prevenient grace. The irony is that the Arminians got their doctrine of prevenient grace from John Wesley. Wesley, however, redefined the doctrine of prevenient grace as it was laid out by Archbishop Thomas Cranmer in the 42 Articles of Religion and later edited by Archbishop Matthew Parker in the 1662 Book of Common Prayer's edition of the 39 Articles of Religion. Cranmer's view of prevenient grace was that it was an irresistible grace that raised the sinner from spiritual death. Cranmer's view was in line with Calvinism. Augustus Toplady was Wesley's theological opponent who upheld the Calvinist view in the Anglican tradition. Predestination is taught in the Bible. Interestingly, double predestination is also taught in the 39 Articles of Religion.
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It seems that grace is all either side speaks on. The teaching of mercy is never spoken of when it comes to salvation. Rom.9 says. 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
As to Grace, it is varied and diverse. Paul was given grace that enabled him to understand and teach the searchable riches of Christ. Grace operates on our hearts to regenerate us. Before Paul says all this. In the previous chapter he tells us we were DEAD in trespasses and sin. But even before he says that, he says, " you He made ALIVE. Because God who is rich in MERCY & great love made us live together with Christ. In chapter one he says, it is because of the exceeding greatness of His power towards us. This is why we believe by the working of His mighty power. The mercy is the why of regeneration, grace is the operation of the power of regeneration, Faith is the gift of God that enables us to understand & believe all this. We have been BROUGHT near by the blood of Christ. He ends chapter 3 by saying, " Now to HIM who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above what we can ask or think according to the power that works in us.
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Question (please only answer if you really know!) - I understand that prevenient grace is directed towards our salvation and common grace is not but does the Arminian believe that prevenient grace includes all the kindnesses of God in the world (the sun, the rain etc) that the Calvinist calls common grace (since these kindnesses can be used to lead us to God)?
Common grace cannot lead ANYONE to God even if you accept the neo-Calvinist view. That's because the neo-Calvinist view is that God has a non-saving love for those predestined to reprobation before the creation of the world. I do not believe in common grace because God hates the wicked and He has predestined the wicked reprobate to everlasting punishment in hell. Romans 9:11-13.
@@cranmer1959common grace can lead some to assent to some of the spiritual truths in scripture. Best example would be Jordan Peterson. But common grace cannot lead someone to love God. How can you reject the notion of common grace? Even the reprobate benefits from common grace.
@4jchan The benefits that the reprobate reap from providence are designed by God to harden them in their rebellion and the purpose God has is to damn them to hell for their immorality and wickedness. Roman 1:18-32; Jeremiah 13:23; Ecclesiastes 7:9.
This is now a very old post. I have since concluded that there is no such thing as either common grace or prevenient grace. I'm not saying that God shows no generosity to people who are yet to be saved - I am saying that in the bible the word grace is never used to describe any element of the way that God relates to people before they are united with him (saved). So we shouldn't call any generosity of God prior to conversion grace.
What evidence is there then in the bible concerning God's generosity - what revelation of God's character is there - to those yet to be saved? Here is what I have identified:
- God is patient, forbearing, and kind to those yet to be saved (Romans 2:4). Since God does not unite with people who are not saved (to be saved is to be united with God) these things are MERCY.
- The kindness of God is NOT irresistible - since Romans 2:4 says that it is MEANT to lead people to repentance (it wouldn't say that it is meant to unless it did not always do so - due to free will).
- The kindness of God is mercy not grace. In Romans 1 we find out that the result of human beings each rebelling against God in the same way that Adam and Eve did (not due to original sin - nowhere in the bible is the doctrine of original sin established) - with an act of evil doing - free, knowing, and wilful sin - we are objects of wrath (Eph 2:3) who God judges in two ways (both explained in Romans 1) - first God allows us to become inclined towards sin - and second he allows us to become ignorant. The kindness of God is that God ensures that neither of these two things prevent us from making an aware and free choice in respect of the gospel.
@@ThomasCranmer1959yes but one cannot deny the fact it is common grace because reprobate's enjoy the benefits of common grace. So I believe it has a dual purpose. To judge and to bless.
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The difference is common grace isn’t real
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Welll. Kuyper was wrong about prevenient grace. A dishonest calvinist, what a shocker... Not!