yeah that's why I don't like working on other people's cars because then you’re forced to deal with this kinda bullshit! They always get the last word and then it's like you're not even doing them a favor because they refuse to address the underlying issues which in this case is ultimately that they need all new fuel injectors. If it were my car, then I wouldn't even have to deal wtih this kinda nonsense in the first place and I could do everything my way. At least that's the way I feel.
My wife always asked why I didn't open a shop since I like working on cars. Well first I don't always enjoy it. Second, I don't like people. They're the problem.
That’s amazing to me. When i take my BMWs to Johnny, I’m always suggesting replacing more of everything (than he wants to do) because to me it’s ALL about the labor and hassle factor of RE opening up these things, any car for that matter, Japanese American Korean etc.
Actually this time the customer might be right. The fact that those working injectors are of different revision than the failed ones means, that they were already replaced in the past. And even though they do suffer from the same problem they might still have several more years before failing as well, so it might be a right call to keep them there especially if the customer don't plan to keep the car for long. These injectors are not some cheap part costing twenty bucks that you replace just for precaution and don't care, injectors are expensive to replace and keeping them for little longer might actually make sense.
Just a note for anyone DIYing this: When you pull the cap off the seal is some sort of polymer that expands over 5-10 minutes. Make sure to wait to remove the cap until right before you install the injector and they'll go in much easier...should also seal better.
If only people learned basic maintenance. I could do a single injector in about 5 minutes. It's extremely simple. A 5 year old could do it. Buy an Autel Maxi and you can code it too.
@@Tracked350Z I asked my 11 year son to do the injectors, coils and spark plugs on the family Toyota corolla while I was running new fuel and brake lines under the car. I not mad at all about having to do it. 473,890 miles. The car has just been a beast and haven't had any major failure. Just age related problems and maintenance stuff. My oldest who is 15 now will be getting it when he starts to learn how to drive.
At higher cost. People forget that you not only have to pay parts price twice but labor also. So for this job, that customer paid roughly $1,160 for parts and labor. ( Injectors $300 each X3 and about $160 in labor roughly an hour and a half.) Then a month or two later the other three start acting up requiring replacement so this dude gets to pay another $1,160. So if I did my math right that's about $2,320 versus $1,960 parts and labor to just replace them all at one go. But what's an extra $360 in today's economy right?
Just found the channel. How does this have only 66k subscribers? What a gem! I'm just binging this now. And, I just got my first N54 in an E82, aaaand it's a single turbo application using index 12.
Chuckling at Johnny's Slide Hammer Vice grips, I used to do a bit of Bosch K and KE-jet work, usually Mercedes and I made one of those to pull stuck and corroded K jet injectors ohhhh maybe 20 years ago. I broke a few of the vice grips but the slide hammer bit lives on still today. Must find a Mac Tool vice grip and see how they go
Wrong , he mixed index 12 injectors with old injectors , that’s a big no no !! Each bank should have the same index , so cylinders 1-3 should all be same , and cylinders 4-6 should be same , if customer didn’t want to replace all 6 then he should have removed older (good) injectors and put them into same bank and kept all new index 12 injectors in same bank , the car will have issues as it sees the injectors as a bank of 3 and adjusts to suit , but there will be an I balance in both banks now as injectors are mixed , ask me how I know !!
That’s why he takes the specific numbers down to avoid said mixture issue… the computer compensates dependent upon the index and numbers from each injector
@@debraclancy2652 That's a different process that has to be done with any bmw injector replacement. An index below 10 is a different injector from the newest 12 being used. Shouldn't mix and match. At min one bank needs to be replaced. Since injectors on both banks are required, should have all 6. The customer made the call on this for economic reasons. Jonny was right to recommend all 6 and was overruled.
I bought an N54 engine on offerup for $250, guy said it was running rough, it was the belt that got pulled in to the engine, but it came with a new HPFP and index 12 injectors, I was happy AF.
I remember in my youth that the used early 80’s BMW’s were well liked and didn’t have failures like they do today. Back then were a solid car. Late 80’s even the little Fords were fast on the Autobahn. In fact almost everything was faster than at home. Mercedes with ground effects and hood ornament flat on the hood. Something you didn’t see in NA. 300kmh was no problem with Eurospec Mercedes.
I grew up in Europe in the 80's. People didn't accept lower quality and expected to keep cars for a long time. When Mercedes had a little hiccup in quality (W201 I believe since it slightly less reliable than the W123 and W124), the taxi drivers went to the head office to protest and raise shit. But the quality only went down much later and BMW managed to still be less reliable. The cars went from the Engineers and builders setting the bar, to the accountants. As of the 2000's, even late 90's, you have to do your research. But the Germans have always been better at building driver's cars.
@@pfsantos007 very true they don't accept junk. The food was better too. They have pride in who they are and what they do. I truly enjoyed my time there.
Ninja: "Make sure not to forget your washer- I did..." Me, looking in the rearview of my pickup on the way home from Home Depot and only seeing my new dryer: "Ah, hell..." 😆
Interesting. I know little about BMW. To register codes so the ECM varies voltage based on the specific manufacturing parameters is something new to me but makes sense. Do others do this as well (Honda, Nissan, Toyota)? Anything that requires more attention than my child, makes me think twice as to what I'm doing. Good stuff, thanks.
Wondering why you started the car and ran the engine and then reprogrammed the system with the new injector codes? I was taught you needed to program the new injector codes before starting the engine. When I did my wife’s E70 injectors earlier this year, did it that way. Come out fine. Runs great. Hanks and love the videos.
The coding of the injectors is because they all vary slightly in flow rate, so the ECU needs to know the flow rate of each injector to deliver fuel precisely. However the variation is small in the scheme of things, so it wouldn't hurt to start and make sure everything is running OK before coding them.
Replaced a battery in a Renault using a voltage backup via the OBD port. Still had to enter the security code on the sound system and the windows got “lost “. Didn’t know if they were up or down and would stop halfway. Fuel pump in the sump of the tank have not needed bleeding. Have replaced a couple (latest in a BMW 1300 bike) without issues. I might be lucky but I wouldn’t bet on it.👍
This is why these cars end up on Facebook market place for $5000 because owners don’t care. Someone’s gonna buy this and have more issues to deal with later. Yes injectors are expensive - $250 a pop but you pay to play.
@@mattmalenda6585 well the answer is, it depends. “ reliability “ is debatable - the e90 328xi is extremely reliable and can easily go 200,000km without any major work but it’s not a sports car. A Honda Civic is a simple 4 banger without any turbos and they are extremely reliable but super boring. Typically for a car, you get cost, speed and reliability. Pick 2. Based on my experience, the more complex they get, the less reliable they are, especially cars with two turbos. Germans were always pushing the boundaries with speed… as long as it’s reliable over 100,000km, they have succeeded. But I will say, some of the cars they’ve made and some choices, like in the Audi’s were the timing chain is located on the back of the engine, is just dumb. I also think BMW had some questionable choice of Plastics suppliers were many hoses and gaskets are failing sooner then they should have (I.E. cooling hoses, valve covers, etc.)
@@mattmalenda6585 Could be because this engine is using high pressure direct injectors. port injectors last a lot longer because they are under a lot less stress. I have a 2008 Lexus GS460 with 80,000km it has 2 sets of injectors, one set for port, one set for direct - I expect the direct injectors will give up long before the port injectors ever do.
In my experience the sale of #12 injectors is pushed too much as the cause of misfires. The injectors really don't fail as much as people think. #9's etc are sold all the time on websites ebay etc still and I'm running them on my tuned N54. Many cars still have #1 2 3 4 etc injectors with little to no problems. The main cause of misfires is Either plugs and/or coils. If you have a tune especially. The N54 is an extremely strong engine but goes through plugs more than other cars. Replace plugs around 30,000 miles or even less.
@@E46M54, you are correct. As big of a POS this thing was I still want a 135i N54. Once sorted, updraded turbos, FBO+JB4 guys are running like 21-23psi making over 600whp on stock internals SAFELY
@@crazyman8472 couldn’t agree more. But...I would rather spend money on an old BMW, than buy something that doesn’t need any money spent on it of the same age and mileage, because that reliability suggests a dull car that was owned by someone who doesn’t care for driving.....
I got to be honest this channel is like relaxation for me I like the silence but at the same time you think you'd have a radio on low in the background or something
I'm always interested in the costs associated with these repairs. I was a bit shocked that these injectors are almost $400. each! Hell, six injectors for my E46 are only $540 for the set. I'll stick with mine.
These injectors are in the combustion chamber and run very high pressures and over complicated for intended purpose vs port injectors ,on your E46, they should have been replaced as a set.
@@AJGreen-cn8kk I jumped in Head first and sank into the endless maintenance money pit🤣😂😂 , have not changed my injectors yet, but I have changed both low and high pressure fuel pumps and fuel pressure sensors.
@@TwentytenS4B8 I tried to reply not sure if it posted. port injectors depending on flow rate and impedance style ~$70-100 a piece on the N54 engines $300+ each on the later N55 engines the were redesigned and now cost ~100 - 120 each 🤷♂️
Hi Johnny. Question without notice. Is it dusty around your area because it seems that nobody brings a car in with a clean engine. At times some are putrid. Keep up the great work.
2:01 Would like to have been a fly on the wall at the meeting where Horst or Dieter convinced all the other guys that the fuel pump should run as soon as somebody opens one of the doors.
Probably was to prime the engine for starting in case the fuel pressure had gotten low. That way it starts up quicker because it’s already primed before you even turn the key and you dont have a “long” crank time. Yea in this one case it is an inconvenience, but also i al sure you are supposed to at least pull the battery cable to stop that from happening when are servicing fuel injectors or lines. But Johnny is the only one touching the car so he doesn’t need to if he doesn’t mind a little gas squirting out from the couple ones he changed.
Quick question... Couldn't you remove the fuel pump fuse or relay before starting the job? You could avoid spraying fuel everywhere if someone else opens the door or something accidentally and lower the risk of a fire.
I have an Audi S4. And before I do anything with the fuel system I pull the fuel pump fuse and let the car run until the fuel lines are empty and the car shuts off. Obviously, leaving the fuse out and not opening the door until the job is done.
Hi Jonny there are special puller and installer for BMW injectors I haven't used them yet was just wondering why you don't use them they are not that expensive especially for someone that is in the BMW repair specialist . I'm not criticizing just curious maybe they don't work well ?
It works just fine. His tool is actually better because he can use it on a lot more than just the injectors. The injector tool threads on to the end of the injector and lifts the injector out of the port. His tool, a handy-dandy vice grip with the slide hammer literally does the exact same thing. It doesn't take much force to remove the injectors.
Hi Jonny is was curious how did you know that the injector was bad and not a coil or a spark plug I assume that you swap coils and the problem was still at the same cylinder and is there any BMW engine that has a live misfire count like what I'm use to in the VAG world ? .
Another fantastic show, extreamly interesting. Have ypu guys seen the led light bars ypu vsn get that hook onto the hood of the car and it gives your fantastic light without it catching your eyes and they have protective hooks on them so as they don't mark the paintwork. My only request for you guys if could you please make the shows a little longer, some things you may think are boring would be fantastic content for us. Your editing and composition are spot on, easily tv quality so thank you so much for sharing your time with us. Belated happy thanksgiving from over here in Scotland.
Hey Johnny, as an ameture I have never seen a Vice Grip slide hammer. If that's a thing you should sell it. Or if maybe you welded a new tool together let us know. Cheers from Australia.
I remember what the Car Wizard said about BMW owners, most of them can’t afford to pay the repair costs on cars of this age when they go wrong. They simply buy a BMW because they wanna be seen driving a BMW. I suspect this particular 135i owner falls into that category, better to replace them all while you’re there. Save money on labour than coming back a second time to replace the other 3 fuel injectors that would fail eventually anyway.
Injectors should always be replaced as a set. If several go bad, the rest are not far behind. This customer will be sorry he did not take Jonny's advice and change them all. He'll be back within a month or two to get the other three replaced. Pay now or pay later.
Hi, FYI on the 135i: you’re not suppose to replace one or two injectors if the current versions are not all equal to index 11 or higher in one bank. Mechanical difference in the workings of the injectors, so it’s not the way it should be done. The lifespan of the old injectors is not worth the hassle anyway. Keep it up! 👌🏼👌🏼
Johnny, i always wondered will it throw a fault?? I’ve never tried to to mix the indexes. It’s an expensive job to replace all of them so i understand why he doesn’t want to do all of them, but luckily my clients generally take our suggestions on how to do this job. The ones that don’t, seem to get fired quick lol
@@powayimports4175 it doesn't throw a fault. What I found, is that, if you use an injector with numbers close to the injector you are removing, but a higher index; there's no issues. Between logging fuel data, af/r, and timing corrections. No issues.
I wanted to add though while this is true and there is a TSB on this by BMW, some members on forums have reported *zero* issues after over 8 months+ . These also molded cars. In fact I'm also going to do it myself as only my 1 injector is leaking all the others are fine. And sure it's not worth the hassle at a shop since you pay for labor but from DIY perspective it 100% yes. A very easy job to do unless some are really frozen in there but the puller tool llike Johny has works well. And tobehonenst the only reason why it's considered is because these are 300$ a piece. I hate replacing a part that ain't broke and that's expensive. I get preventative maintenance and I do like cooling hoses/waterpump, things that'll leave you stranded but for 2000$ ehhh maybe I'll give it some luck. Some members have some old indexes still running so.
Hey ninja if a person comes with a BMW with the N54 and they say they want to convert the direct injection to port injection will you do that for them.
Yeah that's an insane amount of re engineering. Direct injectors go into the cylinder whereas port injectors are generally located in the intake and fire at the back of the intake valve versus straight into the cylinder. You'd have a hole in the block where the injectors were in a GDI engine. If you're going that route just swap the engine for a port injected one. But don't forget to change out the ECU and associated modules and wiring. Hope you're good with coding as well.
you cannot mix them on same bank, you can use lets say index 12 on 123 and index 01 in 456 but from experience, I seen ton of N54 cars with injectors mixed all around and it seems to work just fine as long as they are properly coded, probably not optimal tho to mix em
Not much different. Depending on which 3 though. The first 3 or 4, you can access without removing anything. So, it's like a 10-15 minute process. The back 3, require you to remove the cabin air filter, which adds 1-2 minutes. Its 2 connectors, 4 bolts, the cabin air filter, and after that it slides out giving you access. If they are charging anything more than an hour for this work, something isnt right. Coding the injector takes 30 seconds. 1 minute if you forgot where you put your paper with the numbers on it lol.
@@vw5056 I bought a new F150 in 2005...and went to a nice hotel for he night to somewhat celebrate (quad cab Lariat)...and the valet had his ink pen in his hand and marked up the visor. That was the last time I used any valet service...
I would of made my customer either do all or move all the 9s to the same bank. Mixing other indexs with index 11 and 12 will cause mixture control codes in a couple hundred miles.
@BM VA he made that tool and I guess if they are shot they are shot but it has a slide hammer so it will work and that slide hammer prevents damage to the injector bore so thays what is really important
My dad got oil poisoning from never using gloves, and if he gets any oil on his hands, his skin breaks out with huge sores. He is 68, and uses gloves, because his hands cracking open looks like it would be painful.
The index number means the revision/remodel of the injector. BMW went through 12 revisions of the part. The -XX after the part number is the index number written on the injector. Then on the left hand side there is 2 rows of three numbers. Those are the calibration numbers needed to input in ISTA/Whatever scan tool
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Rule of Thumb in Auto Repair.
The Customer almost ALWAYS WRONG.
Keep up the great work Ninja
yeah that's why I don't like working on other people's cars because then you’re forced to deal with this kinda bullshit! They always get the last word and then it's like you're not even doing them a favor because they refuse to address the underlying issues which in this case is ultimately that they need all new fuel injectors. If it were my car, then I wouldn't even have to deal wtih this kinda nonsense in the first place and I could do everything my way. At least that's the way I feel.
My wife always asked why I didn't open a shop since I like working on cars. Well first I don't always enjoy it. Second, I don't like people. They're the problem.
@@pkt1213 exactly!
That’s amazing to me. When i take my BMWs to Johnny, I’m always suggesting replacing more of everything (than he wants to do) because to me it’s ALL about the labor and hassle factor of RE opening up these things, any car for that matter, Japanese American Korean etc.
Actually this time the customer might be right. The fact that those working injectors are of different revision than the failed ones means, that they were already replaced in the past. And even though they do suffer from the same problem they might still have several more years before failing as well, so it might be a right call to keep them there especially if the customer don't plan to keep the car for long. These injectors are not some cheap part costing twenty bucks that you replace just for precaution and don't care, injectors are expensive to replace and keeping them for little longer might actually make sense.
Just a note for anyone DIYing this: When you pull the cap off the seal is some sort of polymer that expands over 5-10 minutes. Make sure to wait to remove the cap until right before you install the injector and they'll go in much easier...should also seal better.
Customer: No do not replace all the injectors.
Ninja: See you in a few weeks to replace the injectors you didn’t want to replace now.
😵💫😷🤧
And it will cost you more in labor cost :P
If only people learned basic maintenance. I could do a single injector in about 5 minutes. It's extremely simple. A 5 year old could do it. Buy an Autel Maxi and you can code it too.
@@Tracked350Z I asked my 11 year son to do the injectors, coils and spark plugs on the family Toyota corolla while I was running new fuel and brake lines under the car.
I not mad at all about having to do it. 473,890 miles. The car has just been a beast and haven't had any major failure. Just age related problems and maintenance stuff.
My oldest who is 15 now will be getting it when he starts to learn how to drive.
@@Tracked350Z 100% agree. That's how I started learning mechanic work, with BMWs. There's plenty of ressources online and videos.
At higher cost. People forget that you not only have to pay parts price twice but labor also. So for this job, that customer paid roughly $1,160 for parts and labor. ( Injectors $300 each X3 and about $160 in labor roughly an hour and a half.) Then a month or two later the other three start acting up requiring replacement so this dude gets to pay another $1,160. So if I did my math right that's about $2,320 versus $1,960 parts and labor to just replace them all at one go. But what's an extra $360 in today's economy right?
If this guy recommends to change them all, I'd listen. This customer is so lucky to have this guy.
Just found the channel. How does this have only 66k subscribers? What a gem! I'm just binging this now. And, I just got my first N54 in an E82, aaaand it's a single turbo application using index 12.
Chuckling at Johnny's Slide Hammer Vice grips, I used to do a bit of Bosch K and KE-jet work, usually Mercedes and I made one of those to pull stuck and corroded K jet injectors ohhhh maybe 20 years ago.
I broke a few of the vice grips but the slide hammer bit lives on still today.
Must find a Mac Tool vice grip and see how they go
Snap, when i used to work on SAAB 8v's with K Jet. Sometimes they would fall out, others would put up a 30min fight.
@@dj_paultuk7052 Volvo's were the same although more fight than fall out.
Love the attention to detail, writing everything down, washing up before driving the customer's car
Johnny is the most meticulous mechanic on you tube
You are correct. And what’s amazing is how seamlessly he moves and without hesitancy. I’ve gone there several times snd never leave disappointed.
Wrong , he mixed index 12 injectors with old injectors , that’s a big no no !! Each bank should have the same index , so cylinders 1-3 should all be same , and cylinders 4-6 should be same , if customer didn’t want to replace all 6 then he should have removed older (good) injectors and put them into same bank and kept all new index 12 injectors in same bank , the car will have issues as it sees the injectors as a bank of 3 and adjusts to suit , but there will be an I balance in both banks now as injectors are mixed , ask me how I know !!
A slide hammer vise grip - patent pending.
BMW special tool.
That's a really smart idea.
Gotta love the tools that are made out of necessity 👍
What a joy to wake and see Johnny as posted yet another brilliant video! Thank you Sir :)
Repost when he comes back with mixture faults due to different indexes on both banks.
That’s why he takes the specific numbers down to avoid said mixture issue… the computer compensates dependent upon the index and numbers from each injector
@@debraclancy2652 That's a different process that has to be done with any bmw injector replacement. An index below 10 is a different injector from the newest 12 being used. Shouldn't mix and match. At min one bank needs to be replaced. Since injectors on both banks are required, should have all 6. The customer made the call on this for economic reasons. Jonny was right to recommend all 6 and was overruled.
Nailed it.
I bought an N54 engine on offerup for $250, guy said it was running rough, it was the belt that got pulled in to the engine, but it came with a new HPFP and index 12 injectors, I was happy AF.
Slide hammer locking pliers is a brilliant innovation
I love it, doesn’t go in all the way because they didn’t remove the caps. They must be used to wearing protection and always capping it
I love watching your videos. I have to work on my sister's mini cooper, and the Ninja makes it easy with his tech tricks. Keep up the good content.
I remember in my youth that the used early 80’s BMW’s were well liked and didn’t have failures like they do today. Back then were a solid car. Late 80’s even the little Fords were fast on the Autobahn. In fact almost everything was faster than at home. Mercedes with ground effects and hood ornament flat on the hood. Something you didn’t see in NA. 300kmh was no problem with Eurospec Mercedes.
I grew up in Europe in the 80's. People didn't accept lower quality and expected to keep cars for a long time. When Mercedes had a little hiccup in quality (W201 I believe since it slightly less reliable than the W123 and W124), the taxi drivers went to the head office to protest and raise shit. But the quality only went down much later and BMW managed to still be less reliable. The cars went from the Engineers and builders setting the bar, to the accountants. As of the 2000's, even late 90's, you have to do your research. But the Germans have always been better at building driver's cars.
@@pfsantos007 very true they don't accept junk. The food was better too. They have pride in who they are and what they do. I truly enjoyed my time there.
Good work it's hard to find a good European mechanic around these days.
It is always a treat to watch a Pro working!
What a tidy and cool looking shop, an impressive first impression.....
Ninja: "Make sure not to forget your washer- I did..."
Me, looking in the rearview of my pickup on the way home from Home Depot and only seeing my new dryer: "Ah, hell..."
😆
Glad you showed the vice grip mod at the end.
Interesting. I know little about BMW. To register codes so the ECM varies voltage based on the specific manufacturing parameters is something new to me but makes sense. Do others do this as well (Honda, Nissan, Toyota)? Anything that requires more attention than my child, makes me think twice as to what I'm doing. Good stuff, thanks.
I love it. Ninja not working on a Hooptie. Good seeing you Johnny
Quality 👍
Greetings from Poland 🖐
My kind of shop - Jonny picking up those napkins when he exited the car. The shop usually reflects the quality of the work.
Wondering why you started the car and ran the engine and then reprogrammed the system with the new injector codes? I was taught you needed to program the new injector codes before starting the engine. When I did my wife’s E70 injectors earlier this year, did it that way. Come out fine. Runs great. Hanks and love the videos.
The coding of the injectors is because they all vary slightly in flow rate, so the ECU needs to know the flow rate of each injector to deliver fuel precisely. However the variation is small in the scheme of things, so it wouldn't hurt to start and make sure everything is running OK before coding them.
Hi Ninja, really enjoy your channel. Can I ask, why not pull the fuel pump fuse and depressurize the system to avoid all that flammable mess?
I always disconnect the battery...
All you have to do is reset the clock after. Why risk the fuel pump priming?
Replaced a battery in a Renault using a voltage backup via the OBD port. Still had to enter the security code on the sound system and the windows got “lost “. Didn’t know if they were up or down and would stop halfway. Fuel pump in the sump of the tank have not needed bleeding. Have replaced a couple (latest in a BMW 1300 bike) without issues. I might be lucky but I wouldn’t bet on it.👍
Love the plug popper.
This is why these cars end up on Facebook market place for $5000 because owners don’t care. Someone’s gonna buy this and have more issues to deal with later. Yes injectors are expensive - $250 a pop but you pay to play.
Still, why can't the German automakers make cars that are more reliable? My JDM cars arn't as fast, but they've never had major parts fail.
@@mattmalenda6585 well the answer is, it depends. “ reliability “ is debatable - the e90 328xi is extremely reliable and can easily go 200,000km without any major work but it’s not a sports car. A Honda Civic is a simple 4 banger without any turbos and they are extremely reliable but super boring. Typically for a car, you get cost, speed and reliability. Pick 2.
Based on my experience, the more complex they get, the less reliable they are, especially cars with two turbos. Germans were always pushing the boundaries with speed… as long as it’s reliable over 100,000km, they have succeeded. But I will say, some of the cars they’ve made and some choices, like in the Audi’s were the timing chain is located on the back of the engine, is just dumb. I also think BMW had some questionable choice of Plastics suppliers were many hoses and gaskets are failing sooner then they should have (I.E. cooling hoses, valve covers, etc.)
@@mattmalenda6585 Could be because this engine is using high pressure direct injectors. port injectors last a lot longer because they are under a lot less stress. I have a 2008 Lexus GS460 with 80,000km it has 2 sets of injectors, one set for port, one set for direct - I expect the direct injectors will give up long before the port injectors ever do.
I hope the Ninja trademarked his tool invention, that's a kool smart device.
In my experience the sale of #12 injectors is pushed too much as the cause of misfires. The injectors really don't fail as much as people think. #9's etc are sold all the time on websites ebay etc still and I'm running them on my tuned N54. Many cars still have #1 2 3 4 etc injectors with little to no problems. The main cause of misfires is Either plugs and/or coils. If you have a tune especially. The N54 is an extremely strong engine but goes through plugs more than other cars. Replace plugs around 30,000 miles or even less.
I agree with #9 being fine but the oem are definetely to weak
Good, now do the water pump, all charge pipes, both turbos, coils and fuel pumps and you should almost be okay, LOL
not to mention water cooled alternator, if i’m correct?
@@E46M54, you are correct. As big of a POS this thing was I still want a 135i N54. Once sorted, updraded turbos, FBO+JB4 guys are running like 21-23psi making over 600whp on stock internals SAFELY
Ah, the endless money pit that is the BMW... 🤑
@@crazyman8472, most, but not all. N55 was a lot better and now the 3rd edition of the turbo I6 in the B58 is like epic.
@@crazyman8472 couldn’t agree more. But...I would rather spend money on an old BMW, than buy something that doesn’t need any money spent on it of the same age and mileage, because that reliability suggests a dull car that was owned by someone who doesn’t care for driving.....
I love the look of the E60 5 series.
I got to be honest this channel is like relaxation for me I like the silence but at the same time you think you'd have a radio on low in the background or something
You’re the best. You make everything look easy.
I'm always interested in the costs associated with these repairs. I was a bit shocked that these injectors are almost $400. each! Hell, six injectors for my E46 are only $540 for the set. I'll stick with mine.
These injectors are in the combustion chamber and run very high pressures and over complicated for intended purpose vs port injectors ,on your E46, they should have been replaced as a set.
@@copperlocks1 Another reason to stay away from direct injection.
That's the cost difference between direct versus port injectors.
@@AJGreen-cn8kk I jumped in Head first and sank into the endless maintenance money pit🤣😂😂 , have not changed my injectors yet, but I have changed both low and high pressure fuel pumps and fuel pressure sensors.
@@TwentytenS4B8 I tried to reply not sure if it posted.
port injectors depending on flow rate and impedance style ~$70-100 a piece
on the N54 engines $300+ each
on the later N55 engines the were redesigned and now cost ~100 - 120 each 🤷♂️
Hi Johnny. Question without notice. Is it dusty around your area because it seems that nobody brings a car in with a clean engine. At times some are putrid. Keep up the great work.
I rarely ever see a clean engine on any car repair YT channel. I would say this one was slightly above average clean.
They're based in Wichita, Kansas so yes.
2:01 Would like to have been a fly on the wall at the meeting where Horst or Dieter convinced all the other guys that the fuel pump should run as soon as somebody opens one of the doors.
Probably was to prime the engine for starting in case the fuel pressure had gotten low. That way it starts up quicker because it’s already primed before you even turn the key and you dont have a “long” crank time.
Yea in this one case it is an inconvenience, but also i al sure you are supposed to at least pull the battery cable to stop that from happening when are servicing fuel injectors or lines. But Johnny is the only one touching the car so he doesn’t need to if he doesn’t mind a little gas squirting out from the couple ones he changed.
Quick question... Couldn't you remove the fuel pump fuse or relay before starting the job? You could avoid spraying fuel everywhere if someone else opens the door or something accidentally and lower the risk of a fire.
I have an Audi S4. And before I do anything with the fuel system I pull the fuel pump fuse and let the car run until the fuel lines are empty and the car shuts off. Obviously, leaving the fuse out and not opening the door until the job is done.
I’m guessing you haven’t tried to access the fuses on a 1 series before ?
Or even more simple: just disconnect the battery so fuel pump doesn't start at all.
Hi do the programmed injector numbers coincide with the physical position from the front of the engine or the firing order? Thanks.
I recall the N54 winning Engine of the Year…so happy to no longer be in my Break My Wallet phase.
Hi Jonny there are special puller and installer for BMW injectors I haven't used them yet was just wondering why you don't use them they are not that expensive especially for someone that is in the BMW repair specialist . I'm not criticizing just curious maybe they don't work well ?
It works just fine. His tool is actually better because he can use it on a lot more than just the injectors. The injector tool threads on to the end of the injector and lifts the injector out of the port. His tool, a handy-dandy vice grip with the slide hammer literally does the exact same thing. It doesn't take much force to remove the injectors.
No tech at a bmw dealership uses those special tools to remove them. Only the new guys. I used a small slide hammer also
I’ve been waiting for one of the Kansas Car Clan to post a video wondering who would be next.
What a treat on a Saturday night! Almost… makes me want to buy a BMW
Hi Jonny is was curious how did you know that the injector was bad and not a coil or a spark plug I assume that you swap coils and the problem was still at the same cylinder and is there any BMW engine that has a live misfire count like what I'm use to in the VAG world ? .
Usually the bad injectors leak, and after sitting for awhile the spark plugs get wet with fuel, that’s what usually causes rough cold starts too
The ECU will tell you.
@@TwentytenS4B8 yeah usually through inpa, was it through the rough running program ?
@@gdw29 Jonny has a Maxi sys. Scanning the faults and probably running the injector test routine pinpointed the problem areas.
@@TwentytenS4B8 oh that’s cool
Clever tool at the end of video Johnny. Show more tricks like that.
Nice work ninja
Ok...the slide hammer vice grip tool is cool. I think l must make one!
Great video!
Another fantastic show, extreamly interesting. Have ypu guys seen the led light bars ypu vsn get that hook onto the hood of the car and it gives your fantastic light without it catching your eyes and they have protective hooks on them so as they don't mark the paintwork. My only request for you guys if could you please make the shows a little longer, some things you may think are boring would be fantastic content for us. Your editing and composition are spot on, easily tv quality so thank you so much for sharing your time with us. Belated happy thanksgiving from over here in Scotland.
Thank you. Yes we use such lights from Snap-On. We've used them in several videos.
@@realcarninja sorry buddy I have not seen the earlier videos yet so I guess I've got to do some catching up now 👍
Jonny, What brand and model tool do you use to register the injectors. I have an Autel 880 and it doesn't have that option.
This may be a silly question to ask, but out of the German Brands, which brand overall is the easiest to work on? Or are all of them a PITA?
Why have I never seen a slide hammer vice grip before today? Great now I need to find one…
Good idea with the vice grips.
If I bought some used -09 injectors from ebay that claim to be resealed but have no caps on them, can I still use these ?
Hey Johnny, as an ameture I have never seen a Vice Grip slide hammer. If that's a thing you should sell it. Or if maybe you welded a new tool together let us know. Cheers from Australia.
Well I could have edited my post. That's what happens when you open your mouth too early. Hahaha. That's why you're the Ninja. Thanks Johnny. Respect
How do you know it’s the fuel injectors and not the SparkPlugs or coils?
I remember what the Car Wizard said about BMW owners, most of them can’t afford to pay the repair costs on cars of this age when they go wrong. They simply buy a BMW because they wanna be seen driving a BMW. I suspect this particular 135i owner falls into that category, better to replace them all while you’re there. Save money on labour than coming back a second time to replace the other 3 fuel injectors that would fail eventually anyway.
That look on Johnny's face when saw that rubbish on the ground after he got out of the 135
astro pneumatic makes the vise grip puller great tool. Astro Pneumatic Tool 78415.
can you not r and r any bmw part without reprograming it? wiper fuild..or have they gotten to that yet?
See you tomorrow for my lowering springs……
You should show us what scan tools you use on all these European cars in one of your future videos.
Autel Maxi Sys is what most use these days. And Abrites for coding\programming new modules.
The only issue I had with my 135i was the fuel injectors. They were covered under warranty. It was a $1600 job.
How well does that Autel scan tool do on diagnosing and looking at live data on BMW's?
Injectors should always be replaced as a set. If several go bad, the rest are not far behind. This customer will be sorry he did not take Jonny's advice and change them all. He'll be back within a month or two to get the other three replaced. Pay now or pay later.
Or, you know, they're selling the car. Come on kiddo, use that brain.
Impossible to tell when next will fail.
Hope those came with decoupling elements 🤷🏻♂️
So trunk snake is better than trunk monkey ?
What camera do you use for the videos, Jonny? Amazing content!
The videos are shot with a Canon R6 and various Canon L lenses.
How did you come up with the conclusion 3 injectors failed at the same time ?
It's a reoccurring habit many shops do the replace all.
Why not disconnect the battery first or pull the fuel pump fuse?
Hi,
FYI on the 135i: you’re not suppose to replace one or two injectors if the current versions are not all equal to index 11 or higher in one bank. Mechanical difference in the workings of the injectors, so it’s not the way it should be done. The lifespan of the old injectors is not worth the hassle anyway.
Keep it up! 👌🏼👌🏼
I know, but this customer is a cheap gigantic pain in my ass.
Johnny Karaj legit😂👍🏻
Johnny, i always wondered will it throw a fault?? I’ve never tried to to mix the indexes. It’s an expensive job to replace all of them so i understand why he doesn’t want to do all of them, but luckily my clients generally take our suggestions on how to do this job. The ones that don’t, seem to get fired quick lol
@@powayimports4175 it doesn't throw a fault. What I found, is that, if you use an injector with numbers close to the injector you are removing, but a higher index; there's no issues. Between logging fuel data, af/r, and timing corrections. No issues.
I wanted to add though while this is true and there is a TSB on this by BMW, some members on forums have reported *zero* issues after over 8 months+ . These also molded cars. In fact I'm also going to do it myself as only my 1 injector is leaking all the others are fine. And sure it's not worth the hassle at a shop since you pay for labor but from DIY perspective it 100% yes. A very easy job to do unless some are really frozen in there but the puller tool llike Johny has works well. And tobehonenst the only reason why it's considered is because these are 300$ a piece. I hate replacing a part that ain't broke and that's expensive. I get preventative maintenance and I do like cooling hoses/waterpump, things that'll leave you stranded but for 2000$ ehhh maybe I'll give it some luck. Some members have some old indexes still running so.
Got quoted $761 Aud per injector from BMW the other day and I thought FCPeuro prices were high 😬
Why not disconnect the battery so the pump never primes if you open the door?
Hey ninja if a person comes with a BMW with the N54 and they say they want to convert the direct injection to port injection will you do that for them.
Why would anyone want to do that? Lmao
Yeah that's an insane amount of re engineering. Direct injectors go into the cylinder whereas port injectors are generally located in the intake and fire at the back of the intake valve versus straight into the cylinder. You'd have a hole in the block where the injectors were in a GDI engine. If you're going that route just swap the engine for a port injected one. But don't forget to change out the ECU and associated modules and wiring. Hope you're good with coding as well.
I thought it would be bad to mix injectors like that. The more you know!
I hope he did not forget those washers
Happy independence day Johnny 🇦🇱
Could injectors cause rod knock?
That moment of “now what was that???” at 9:06 😂😂😂😂
Car Ninja for the WIN
Wastegate rattle too lol, just go with a single turbo kit and that’ll eliminate a lot of the issues the N54 has aside from the water pump bs
You cannot mix 09 with 12. Factory manual says you can only mix 10 with 11 and 12.
you cannot mix them on same bank,
you can use lets say index 12 on 123 and index 01 in 456 but from experience, I seen ton of N54 cars with injectors mixed all around and it seems to work just fine as long as they are properly coded, probably not optimal tho to mix em
Owner refused to swap all injectors so he decided to mix index 9s with index 12s, he'll be back soon.
Why do injectors need to be coded? Calibration? How come the calibration known before-hand and not done through software when installed on the car?
hey Ninja, what would the cost in labor be to do the other 3 injectors later, vs now while doing the other 3 ?
Not much different. Depending on which 3 though. The first 3 or 4, you can access without removing anything. So, it's like a 10-15 minute process. The back 3, require you to remove the cabin air filter, which adds 1-2 minutes. Its 2 connectors, 4 bolts, the cabin air filter, and after that it slides out giving you access.
If they are charging anything more than an hour for this work, something isnt right. Coding the injector takes 30 seconds. 1 minute if you forgot where you put your paper with the numbers on it lol.
About $1,160 parts and labor X2.
If only I could get Discount Tire to have their techs wash their hands after replacing tires and getting in my near white interior.
@@vw5056 I bought a new F150 in 2005...and went to a nice hotel for he night to somewhat celebrate (quad cab Lariat)...and the valet had his ink pen in his hand and marked up the visor. That was the last time I used any valet service...
i have index 03 and 09 on my n53 engine and no misfire
7:11 - Omg...look at all of those dash lights....
@Oskar DirlewangerLol yes indeed...but some self respect to your vehicle would go a long way here.
New slogan for a shirt: wash my hands and go for a ride
never been so early in my life
That what she said...
Why not disconnect the negative terminal first ?
I JUST did this on a N63 X5 like 2 weeks ago.
I would of made my customer either do all or move all the 9s to the same bank. Mixing other indexs with index 11 and 12 will cause mixture control codes in a couple hundred miles.
@BM VA he made that tool and I guess if they are shot they are shot but it has a slide hammer so it will work and that slide hammer prevents damage to the injector bore so thays what is really important
With a good maintenance, this N54 are epic engines but not everyone can afford it.
You shouldn't mix index =10, mainly in the same bank.
Why doesnt Johny use rubber gloves? Saves the hasle of washing the hands afterwards, also car chemicals is pretty harsh on the skin.
My dad got oil poisoning from never using gloves, and if he gets any oil on his hands, his skin breaks out with huge sores. He is 68, and uses gloves, because his hands cracking open looks like it would be painful.
I use them on and off. My main probably is within a minute I have sweat pouring out of them and down my arms.
I didn’t think you could mix 9’s and 11’s?
135 i , cool car , good work .
So what do the indexes do? Are they just needed for reprogramming?
Yes.
Calibration values for the piezoelectric element inside and how much fuel it flows. Not coding it can cause premature failure.
@@JackRR15 well aware, thanks.
The index number means the revision/remodel of the injector. BMW went through 12 revisions of the part. The -XX after the part number is the index number written on the injector. Then on the left hand side there is 2 rows of three numbers. Those are the calibration numbers needed to input in ISTA/Whatever scan tool
@@Tracked350Z My bad didn't mean to tag you there.
I wish Audi injectors are this easy to replace