Do you know if they have tried to integrate her into a group, or maybe a situation similar to Geniki and Momotro? Just one couple. Maybe that would put her at ease? Im not an expert. It was just a thought !
The zoo tried to live Laura with Monta or various male gorillas, but she is very afraid of gorillas. She may have thought she was a human because she grew up in artificial childcare.
Maybe if they put her with baby gorillas that were abandoned by their moms, she might relax and be motherly. Get used to being with gorillas. It would be a start. I don’t know ....just wanting her to not be lonely.
So in 2002, Momoko and Momotaro were moved to Chiba Zoological Gardens for about 6 years. I wonder what their relationship was like with either Monta or Laura? It's also strange to me because silverbavks don't often take kindly to children that aren't theirs. I imagine they were also isolated from Monta... I want to try and understand Momotaro's formative years as much as possible before he met Genki.
Michael, hi! Have you found out any more about this? Were they in with Monta? I just watched their Happy Birthday vid. So very sad. Wish the zoo could set up a grate where the two could see and talk to each other, the way the hand-raised babies are reintroduced. Maybe even that would freak out Laura. I can’t find any history on her, or why Monta wouldn’t be with at least one other male. Hope you are well.
@@katewaterbaby Hi, Kate! It's been a while! To be honest, I haven't found out any more about Monta or Laura in these past months. There doesn't seem to have been much documentation or footage of many gorillas in Japan up until recent years, starting with Shabani, so their past is still a total mystery. They're both quite elderly, and care for gorillas wasn't always what it is now, resulting in plenty of psychologically scarred animals that simply cannot adjust to living with others of their own species. This seems to be the case particularly for Laura. It's quite sad to see, but now the only thing for the zookeepers to do is keep them alive and healthy. Forcing them into uncomfortable situations can severely impact their emotional and physical well-being. Another issue I've been reading about is the overpopulation of male gorillas in zoos. Silverbacks don't do well living together, especially not when there are female gorillas in the same enclosure, so they need to be isolated until there's an available mate to be paired with. In many cases, silverbacks are kept "on reserve" in case another silverback dies, leaving his mate or mates alone. Monta seems to be one of these unlucky "reserve" silverbacks, merely awaiting the day he might find some use as a father. Of course, he may already be too old and used to isolation. If only they had never been put in zoos in the first place, but now there's not much to do except wait.
@@michaelmannix1604 I’ve also gotten tuned in to the surplus of males, due only partly to several females living with one silverback but oddly more male babies being born. Seems the only solutions would be lots more zoos or birth control, neither too good. Where will Gentaro and Kiyomasi go, or D’jeeco’s sons? And the bachelor clubs-do they work out better than solitary living? I just suggested-half facetiously-in a different vid on Monta and Laura that someone bring a sleeping bag and camp out with Laura, have afternoon tea, play cards, bring her a kitten. And a friend for Monta. A guinea pig? A turtle?
@@katewaterbaby I found video about Laura on you tube tonight. It's about what happened to her.look for it.if you find it, let me know. If you don't I will tell you the name of the story.. Very Sad, about her.😑😑
@@marieldeguzman6193 There was a third elderly female named Rola. I don't know if she has passed away, but she also lived alone for years. It seems to be zoo policy at this point.
I believe the female was raised by humans in their home or something like that. She looks messed up. I feel bad for her. The silverback appears to be in better condition but she must be afraid of him. How sad…..no interaction or socialization. Trying to make a monkey a pet is one thing….and monkeys make horrible pets, but gorillas and chimps are on a different level. I can’t believe someone tried to make the female a private pet or they did make her a pet and she’s all messed up because of it. It’s hard to figure out even when you go to the video that shows her former home….but it appears that she was a pet gorilla. I didn’t see any zoo in the video….it looked like a private home. That’s messed up to do to a gorilla….a monkey and nobody cares, but a gorilla? It’s just so sad.
私はいつもモモタロウファミリーの動画を毎日見て癒されています。
今日、千葉動物園でモンタとローラを見ましたが、退屈でつまらなそうで淋しそうで胸が傷みました。
室内の別々な部屋にいました。
外にも遊ぶ道具はほとんどなく、モモタロウファミリーとはまるで別世界の環境でした。
日本にいるゴリラの数が少なく、繁殖もなかなか難しい現象らしいですね。
ゴリラにも好きずきがあり、相性もあるようで、、。
大きな身体でじっと何かを我慢している姿が可哀想です。
残念ながらゴリラは日本からいなくなるというのが現実のようです。
血縁ばかりですから、繁殖ができません。
海外からもつれてくることもできません。
モモタロウファミリーも今が最も幸せな時間だと思います。
彼らもいずれ一人暮らしになっていくでしょう。
いつもでも一緒に暮らせないからです。
モンタもローラも未来のモモタロウたちです。
単身を好む生き物なら良いかもしれませんが、群れで生きる動物がずっとひとりぼっちなのは胸が痛みますね
孤独は辛いだろうなぁ…
オラウータンはいいけど、ゴリラとチンパンジーの一人暮らしは、やりきれないですね。とくにローラは寂しがり屋だそうなので・・・。でもゴリラと一緒にするともっとかわいそうになことになってしまうので、それに年齢的にも無理でしょう。
距離はあっても お互いの姿を確認できる位置で一緒にいる感じしますね。 そういう意味で一緒にいるだけでも良いと思いますｗ！💖 ただ 優秀な個体が子孫を残せないのは残念です。元気で長生きしてね！💖💛 モンタはまだ33歳なので 他のメスとペアも試みたらいいかもですね。移動が大変かもですが。。
二人の間には、小さい格子がありのぞけるようになっています。たまにモンタがのぞいていますが、ローラはダメですね。ローラは、残念ですがこれ以上オスと一緒にさせるのは危険なので無理でしょう。モンタの相手の可能性としてメスゴリラは、東山にアニー、上野にコモモがいますが、可能性はあるかもしれません。千葉は、アニーに来てもらいたいようです。
類人猿研究所日本動物園 モンタは野生出身なので本当にもったいないです。なんでSSPが動かないのか不思議です。
シャバーニは今ネネさんしか相手してないのでネネさんがご健在の間 あいちゃんとの同居を試みるのもいいと思いました。もちろん叶わないでしょうが。
あいちゃんは母親と一緒なので母性よりも 娘意識が強いように思います。またはキヨくんに対する姉意識。 人間もそうですがママが一緒だとどうしても甘えたいし 母親になってしっかりしようという意識が薄いような気がします。
モンタには是非沢山の奥様に来てもらいたいですね❤️ ありがとうございます😁😄😃
ローラが土をほじっていたのは
ミミズを探していたんですね
ローラの唯一の楽しみで、友達ですからね。
@@GreatApesZooI feel foolish, but are Laura and Rola the same gorilla with two names? Thank you.
モンタは、とてもイケメン。 本当にどなたか ニシゴリラ 応援してください。
ローラの色々が自分と重なってしまう。
お話できたらいいのに…
イケメンモンタには素敵なお相手が来てくれたらいいのですが…
国内のゴリラのこれからをどうにか応援したいです。
ローラはなんて話してくれるでしょか。
一人で寂しいというのか、一人でのんびり幸せだというのか？
日本ゴリラたちも、血縁ばかりで先行きが不安です。
とても美しいシルバーバック と ノンビリのローラ 可愛いですね~
モンタもローラもいいゴリラですね。
Month's coloring seems different from other Western Lowland gorillas. He's very handsome though.
モンタは子供はできないのでしょうか？
また浜松市動物園のショウくんも一人が多いですね
隣のローラは、ゴリラと暮らせないのでモンタの相手がいないんです。
ショウはトトと交尾したことありますが、もうずっと一人ですね。
So are laura and rolo one in the same gorilla?
Yes
Do you know if they have tried to integrate her into a group, or maybe a situation similar to Geniki and Momotro? Just one couple. Maybe that would put her at ease? Im not an expert. It was just a thought !
The zoo tried to live Laura with Monta or various male gorillas, but she is very afraid of gorillas. She may have thought she was a human because she grew up in artificial childcare.
Thank you for the information!
Maybe if they put her with baby gorillas that were abandoned by their moms, she might relax and be motherly. Get used to being with gorillas. It would be a start. I don’t know ....just wanting her to not be lonely.
Precious precious gorillas🥦🫑🥬💚💙🦍💕🌰🥜
🦍🥦🥒🍅🥬🧅🥜🫑
@@GreatApesZoo was Laura ✋ raised by a rich person in a mansion ?? I heard she was, until he left the mansion????
@@debbiedavis8481 ruclips.net/video/3Ea6sE156U4/видео.html
@@GreatApesZoo thank you for the information.
Thank you for sharing this video but I feel sorry for those two.
🤓🏴☠️🇸🇪
Thank you, too. I am especially sad because it is my favorite gorilla.
類人猿研究所日本動物園
Sorry to hear that. It's always tough to see an animal you like/love live in poor conditions.
🤓🏴☠️🇸🇪
They both had sad stories 😔😔😔
So in 2002, Momoko and Momotaro were moved to Chiba Zoological Gardens for about 6 years. I wonder what their relationship was like with either Monta or Laura?
It's also strange to me because silverbavks don't often take kindly to children that aren't theirs. I imagine they were also isolated from Monta... I want to try and understand Momotaro's formative years as much as possible before he met Genki.
Michael, hi! Have you found out any more about this? Were they in with Monta? I just watched their Happy Birthday vid. So very sad. Wish the zoo could set up a grate where the two could see and talk to each other, the way the hand-raised babies are reintroduced. Maybe even that would freak out Laura. I can’t find any history on her, or why Monta wouldn’t be with at least one other male.
Hope you are well.
I just found some more videos. Looks like there IS a window where he can look into her area. Wondering if she grew up in a real house, with people.
@@katewaterbaby Hi, Kate! It's been a while! To be honest, I haven't found out any more about Monta or Laura in these past months. There doesn't seem to have been much documentation or footage of many gorillas in Japan up until recent years, starting with Shabani, so their past is still a total mystery. They're both quite elderly, and care for gorillas wasn't always what it is now, resulting in plenty of psychologically scarred animals that simply cannot adjust to living with others of their own species. This seems to be the case particularly for Laura. It's quite sad to see, but now the only thing for the zookeepers to do is keep them alive and healthy. Forcing them into uncomfortable situations can severely impact their emotional and physical well-being.
Another issue I've been reading about is the overpopulation of male gorillas in zoos. Silverbacks don't do well living together, especially not when there are female gorillas in the same enclosure, so they need to be isolated until there's an available mate to be paired with. In many cases, silverbacks are kept "on reserve" in case another silverback dies, leaving his mate or mates alone. Monta seems to be one of these unlucky "reserve" silverbacks, merely awaiting the day he might find some use as a father. Of course, he may already be too old and used to isolation.
If only they had never been put in zoos in the first place, but now there's not much to do except wait.
@@michaelmannix1604 I’ve also gotten tuned in to the surplus of males, due only partly to several females living with one silverback but oddly more male babies being born. Seems the only solutions would be lots more zoos or birth control, neither too good. Where will Gentaro and Kiyomasi go, or D’jeeco’s sons? And the bachelor clubs-do they work out better than solitary living? I just suggested-half facetiously-in a different vid on Monta and Laura that someone bring a sleeping bag and camp out with Laura, have afternoon tea, play cards, bring her a kitten. And a friend for Monta. A guinea pig? A turtle?
@@katewaterbaby I found video about Laura on you tube tonight. It's about what happened to her.look for it.if you find it, let me know. If you don't I will tell you the name of the story.. Very Sad, about her.😑😑
How many gorillas does chiba city zoo have?
1 male, 1 female
@@GreatApesZoo oh just manta and Laura, I though there were 3☺☺
@@marieldeguzman6193 There was a third elderly female named Rola. I don't know if she has passed away, but she also lived alone for years. It seems to be zoo policy at this point.
Why are the 2 Gorillas seperated?
Laura is afraid of gorillas because she was raised by humans.
@@GreatApesZoo thank you
This zoo is a dump. Poor animals. why have them if you can't have them enjoy their life to it's fullest.? sad
ローラさんはよくお鼻をホジホジしていますね。平和なのか、自らを癒しているのか？ただ、見ているとつまらなさそう。それに、モンタ君がかわいそうな気がします。
タロウは今は一人ですが、20年一緒に暮らしたことがありますが、モンタは不運にも日本にきてからずっと一人。モンタもかわいそうです。
How sad for her 😥 Is there a reason why the male gorilla is on his own and not with a group? 🦍
Laura is too busy eating boogers
I believe the female was raised by humans in their home or something like that. She looks messed up. I feel bad for her. The silverback appears to be in better condition but she must be afraid of him. How sad…..no interaction or socialization. Trying to make a monkey a pet is one thing….and monkeys make horrible pets, but gorillas and chimps are on a different level. I can’t believe someone tried to make the female a private pet or they did make her a pet and she’s all messed up because of it. It’s hard to figure out even when you go to the video that shows her former home….but it appears that she was a pet gorilla. I didn’t see any zoo in the video….it looked like a private home. That’s messed up to do to a gorilla….a monkey and nobody cares, but a gorilla? It’s just so sad.
ruclips.net/video/3Ea6sE156U4/видео.html
Why can’t they be together?
Laura doesn't know gorillas and was raised by people, so she can't approach them for fear of them.
Thank you for the reply ,that is so sad because they are social animals that’s a loss for both of them.
Sad
Why Can’t they be together
ruclips.net/video/B-XiqPFKYlM/видео.html
This is so sad, so is the music and how cruel !
The 2nd musical piece is Canon in D or Tht GE lightbulb tv ad song. Usually played at weddings (ironic, yes?)