I don't think growing up in the spotlight is going to have as big an impact on the children as their mother manipulation, control. They are going to grow up having an inner strength they will have no choice as their mother's expectations of them is going to be very high. She will have them molded, groomed early in life as to what she expects of them. Her not wanting them to spend time with their dad will effect the at an early age even more when they are teenagers on. Talking about her children as them being friends is insane. You are a mother, father, that is your role. I will admit you can be very close good communication love each other unconditionally you are their parent should be proud of it. If she thinks unloading adult information on children in order for her to think that makes for a good friendship she is wrong. Their father is their father she should show him respect by not bad mouthing him to their children. Mother being a mature adult in mind would talk to a friend, family member about problems never ever against their father to his children. I think if the children want to discuss the father listen to what they have to say be positive, encouraging for them to have a relationship, that is being an adult. The children will benefit from it. Fighting just to be a right fighter doesn't work in your favour in the long run.
@@mildredmorine745does Angelina bad mouth her ex? Who knows. We have to remember that we are mere spectators, and they are both multi millionaire actors with staff to protect both of their reputations. Anything on you tube, anything printed anywhere, anything online should be seriously taken with a grain of salt. No one except whomever lived in that house with them knows anything closely resembling the truth.
@@mildredmorine745Brilliant comment 🙌🙏🌹 I've experienced Gemini people..they are the most selfish of all signs... guarantee the children have been influenced manipulated by Jolie.. very sad 😔 every child needs their fathers love... feel sorry for Brad...
@@Teressa-yn4uh As far as I read she doesn't speak with her father and of course those children doesn't have any relation with their grandparents...only their selfish mother!
It's not manipulation. Leave Angelina alone. Pitt is a drunkard and Yu know what excessive drinking leads to. This guy had become a nuisance and mistreating his kids especially the adopted ones. And these kids were adopted by Angelina. Pitt didn't like these kids and always reminding them that they were adopted
I feel sorry for Maddox & Pax. At least we had our rooms to run to when our father was drunk. But on a plane? Where can you go? You’re trapped. You can eventually forgive these things, but you can’t forget. You can stuff the memories down, but subconsciously this treatment will always affect you.
I don't agree with drunkeness, but what exactly were the children doing? It has always been Angelina's children. Stop being a snowflake. They were in public thinking most likely they could continue to show Brad he was inferior to their mother as she trained them to think
The airplane Szene in court and not in gossip. A heated argument with Jolie. Brad had been drinking and shaking her shoulders. The 15 year old Maddox and Jolie's loyal dog pushed him to the ground and got one from Brad.
They are almost always surrounded by nannies, household helpers, chauffeurs and bodyguards. There is no evidence that Brad Pitt hit the children or her. But the servants spoke of heated arguments on both sides.
Exactly, but is not how this crazy woman thinks. A father or mother should never use a child against one another that is very LOW. She is just a horrible woman, and I don’t buy all the crap this pathetic woman feeds the media. very sad some of those kids playing along with her stupid games. It is great Brad is on his own and hope he finds a real woman soon.
It really be people who dont know sad over kids who dont forgive their abuser???? Just because he might have changed doesnt mean they are supposed to firgive him.
Brad bitt abuser,acussasions,,who knows for real,,who cares ,,,😊😅 from the outside a lot accossasions... They all have a good live,,, what about people poor people sik people , children suffer. Do we really care about them no,ouer problem is about agelinas adopted children, how they feel...🎉🎉🎉😮if that is big problem,,,we don't give sheet..... Wake up people.
@@leiajiang7877 As someone said, If it was not for Brad and Jolie picking them, they may not have grown up into a Billionaire,s house hold, for that they should forgive the Parents, the pressure on both Parents must have been huge,while still filming and other people looking after the welfare of each child, but, still they have had and, still have a life most children would have dreamed of, many over spoilt children, can turn out to be nasty teenagers in many ways. I saw a Documentary about the terrible damage Storm Sandy did, and, although the film was about the people trying to cope with it all, who do we see helping to seriously build the Houses from the Storm, Mr. Pitt, getting stuck into the filth and dirt left by Sandy, he waved to the Camera,s, but said he was too busy to talk,. Bless him, the lady producing this rather sad programme, said he arrived with tools around his waist and hammer at the ready, asking "Where do you need help the most, and, he offered to build as many places on the Beach and by the Beach for free !. I am sure Jolie has also given her Millions for free to help many Charities, bless them both, just so sad that their marriage did not work out, but, there you go, even those humans blessed with outstanding looks and intelligence ,don't always stay happy with each other.😮😢😮😢😮😢😮.
Listen Brad has gotten the help he needed to and yet people still bash him for what happened. He admitted he was wrong. Personally I never thought that they should have been together in the first place. And do we really know what happened in that Marriage ? I don’t think so,
Angelina is a narcissist and way too close to her children, especially Maddox and Pax. She has done that for control and power not love. Brad should be able to see them 1/2 time, at least. He’s the one that has done the work snd taken accountability. She is an abusive parent mentally and emotionally. She admits no wrong. The kids have not had a stable upbringing. She never let them stay in one place long enough to attend school, except for the youngest kids.
lol brad kept denying he was drunk on that private plane.. when he def was. he caused $25k worth of damages. pushed angelina and maddox. threw his beer at angelina. threw wine at 3 of the kids, no wonder the 3 youngest are frighten of him. it's a known fact that brad drinks alottt, i doubt this is the first time its happened, but prob the first its gotten this bad hence the divorce
@@iCynnie Hat er schon vor der Ehe getrunken und gekifft? Dann wusste AJ mit wem sie sich einlässt. Dann ist sie schuld, dass sie Kindern so einen Vater "organisiert" hat. Hat er erst während der Ehe mit dem Suchtproblemen begonnen? Könnte es an AJ liegen?
The reason she keeps the children away from him is they may have been traumatized by his actions. It’s sad very sad that people go deaf, dumb and blind just because he’s an actor and actor is ready does, no, who is . Just because he’s a public figure doesn’t make him entitled to anything. Look at the example he setting for his kids( yes, he’s a grown man and he can do what he wants. & and he most certainly does. He’s a player and he said he has his little play me playing sugar, daddy what you can’t keep a woman within his age range if you’re that insecure.) People need to start holding celebrities accountable, not giving them a pass
It’s been over 7 years now. With all their resources and therapy and doctors, they aren’t yet healed to reconcile with their dad? Maybe it is the mom’s influence.
although Angelina Jolie isn’t a Saint in this situation either, it’s pretty pathetic that people quick jump on brad’s side all because he went through therapy and got sober and better himself and he should automatically be forgiven. It’s a a two way street he got better for himself after his second marriage fell apart. if he really wanted relationship with his kids and Angie how come I don’t hear about him asking them for forgiveness or apologize for the trauma he put them through I mean it was reported that he asked his ex wife Jen for forgiveness and apologized. But guess what Jennifer wasn’t the one who had to put up with his substance abuse for 12 years
Takes me way back to that 1991 movie-film “The Prince of Tides” tells the story of a SC low county 50-60’s family; father a mean abusive alcoholic and this narcissistic mother, who demeans and she’s domineering; their four children in the home all were traumatized (suicidal) and carried into adulthood, struggles to overcome the psychological damage inflicted by a dysfunctional childhood life; based on 1986 book with same title. My hope is that the Jolie-Pitt children, both under age teens and young adult ones if not already done the counseling work, then it’s time for professional counseling, after doing the work, then get on with a productive healthy & happy life! 🙏🏼
You just have to remember B.P. was the one who was drinking and being not nice to their Mom so it's natural the boy stood up to protect her even in reality probably was not strong enough to win. I give him a great credit for trying to protect his Mom it shows he got a good heart and love his Mom.
She's grousing about an incident from 2016 that's been investigated and is over and done with. Or would be if she would move on. Brad sobered up and faced his addictions. Lots of us had parents and partners who weren't perfect but learned to forgive and let things go. When you have children together you have to teach them forgiveness as well. She has used those kids as a weapon.
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
I think this family just needs to pull it together. I am a Korean adopted into a white home. exceedingly abusive, but I learned to forgive what could be that bad. after all they chose you
@@Ed-xw4uoThe Jolie-Pitt kids weren’t abused. Brad was a yeller and the all witnessed one huge fight between their parents none of that means they were abused
@yup_im_tiff it's called emotional abuse you idiot. Also, the report stated that Brad hit one kid and choked another. Also poured red wine on them. There's a reason why all 3 of his daughters dropped his last name and Pax made a Father's Day post last year calling Brad an awful human being.
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
I’m sure Pitt had his problems and may not have been the perfect Dad, but a good Mom teaches the kids to forgive and love unconditionally…NOT forget he’s their Dad! What a sad story. Certainly Pitt is a better man now.
You must know Brad Pitt personally for you to call him a better man now. Lol. Also, a good mom protects her kids from abuse. She filed for divorce the first (and hopefully last) time he started physically assulting the kids during the plane incident. People like you who defend confirmed abusers are sick in the head.
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
Angelina makes every manner to pull the children away from Brad. She tends to favor the adopted ones more than the biological kids. Instead of mending the relationship, Angie pulls them away.
Angelina and the kids moves 5 mins away from him so they can be close to Brad....and now Brad has sold his home and moves 5 hours away. Looks like Brad is the one pulling away
But the blame on mame boy... Always mothers are bad never dad's. Reading and watching too much of white patriarcal and women hating mainstream Media news I guess.
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
What I take from this is all the biological kids, the twins and Shilo have good relationships with Brad Pitt and the adopted children of color do not. the Asian kids have an estranged relationship with him and Zahara drooped his last name. Good for Zahara that she choose Spellman where she could finally come into her own as a black woman among other educated black women. You can see from the clip from her college how happy she is surrounded by women of color. And Maddox is studying in Korea an Asian country.
A great move for Zahara to attend Spelman and become immersed in black culture. Maddox didn’t finish school and is working as a producer on his mom’s current film from what I read.
That’s because Brad never wanted to adopt in the first place he did it because of Angelina so he probably won’t get credit for their accomplishment because evidently Angie was more committed in raising them than he was.
@@smusse091I think she used them against Brad.. where those are his kids too so lawfully he has equal say, the adopted kids arent n she prob filled their heads against him
@@BernadetteSunset well let the adopted kids who are adults now be the judge of that whither he was fully and wholeheartedly committed to raising them like Angelina was, from all the pics of Z as a baby that I saw she was always a happy and smiling child even as a infant but by the pictures Angie looks like she truly really enjoy being with Zahara than brad, Angie once said it was Zahara’s laugh that made her truly happy, from all the pics he always holding her so carelessly whereas Angie was always secure with her, idk he was probably abusive with older adopted boys but neglectful with Zahara, hence for the estrangement
@@BernadetteSunsetshe wanted them to be international kids. Brad likes closer to home staying around Hollywood...It was a big difference in how they saw the children
Angelina really makes it difficult by keeping those children away from their father. She's only hurting the kids. I don't understand why her stability as a parent hasn't been questioned
Why peeople always questions moms instead of dads? We don't know what really happened during their married years. What we know is she was always there for her children and apparently Brad wasn't exactly a model as a father. She is an amazing person and I am sure she is an amazing mother as well.
Forgive someone who hit and verbally abused and poured alcohol on the kids and their mother? People dont have to forgive someone who caused them emotional trauma. Do you tell all abuse victims to forgive their abusers?
Angelina should have never tried to turn the kids against their father. They should have left that between themselves. Angelina always cries if Brad is dating another woman. She is jealous. One incident is not enough to make someone a monster. He has been a good father. It doesn't matter if Angelina tries to make Brad out to be a bad husband. This hurts the kids. Shiloh is smart enough to know her daughter loves him. It is awful to pit these kids against their father. Dropping his name wouldn't seem like a good idea or trying to keep a relationship with him is terrible.
The name they now drop save those kids from starvation and hunger. Even if they re not in good time with him, they should still appreciate what his name did for them.
Are you guys saying that because a kid gets adopted that its OK for them to be abused??? They should just be grateful that they aren't living in a 3rd world country even if their adopted dad hits them and verbally abuses them?? You people are sick.
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
Who ever saying bad things about the Mom I think it's wrong because nobody lives with them 24/7 to know that and just speculating. Nobody knows the truth so just leave it alone and let them live their lifes without extra unnecessary bad comments.
Agree.Speculating so much of what's behind the scene of their lives and giving bad statements especially to Angelina is a big No-No!In the first place it takes two to make a tango.Why only Angelina and not brought along Brad?
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Idk Angelina has been 100% about her kids since she first adopted Pax. Shes made sure they understood their culture helped them cultivate what ever they are passionate in. So if they are mom leaning I guess I understand it.
A loving mother encourages her kids to have a healthy relationship with their father, not use them as weapons to hurt the father. This woman always seems to have a very dark side.
@@drnstjhnbrad was not abusive to the kids. They are ungrateful kids. Will they have survived if not for what Brad and Jolie didn't adopt them. Ungrateful kids
People saying Angelina turned the kids against Brad are so pathetic trust me those kids saw what type of a person Brad was when he was abusing their mother they can make their own thoughts about him
Really? Mistakes do happen though. That’s why they’re mistakes.If a father gets sober and tries to make things right, with time and therapy, he should never be forgiven? For a one time incident, by all accounts, that didn’t even warrant charges? By a mother who the whole time went on about what a great dad he was when they were together. Sexual abuse absolutely not but a one time drunken incident. The family can’t forget but I’d think could eventually come back from that and move one. But everyone is different.
If ALL of your children have problem with you, the problem is YOU. Sad how Brad got away with the blame of the society for being drunk and violent towards his family!!!!
I hope not, because Angelina is revenge! I do not need it! He's already lived his life, now let Brad live. Own children are interesting. What would Brad have to do with those adopted before marriage? Be glad you bought them in your name!
OMG. Brangelina is OVER! Thank God. Time for people to move on from it. They’re both better off without each other. It shouldn’t have been more than a fling anyway.
Angelina Jolie is such a great mother to these kids that she adopted and how she learned as a white race that she didn't know that there is a lot to learn from her adopted kids who come from different races and cultures. She has a big heart and helps a lot of people who are poor and makes a big difference in people's lives all around the world. May God bless her and her children.
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
Angelina, should control her personal traumas to herself. It is an unfortunate behavior. Now, I question: did she went on on an adoption spree to boost her persona image? sympathy? No, no, no. Whatever Brad’s screw-up during the private plane flight, I tend to think she must have pushed him to it. Her acting hurts nit only her adopted children, but totally screwed up her natural daughter with Pitt. I used to think of her as a great woman. Now, an evil, selfish, unconciousnable female. I AM WITH YOU BRAD !!!
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If Angelina truly cared about her children’s well being she wouldn’t make Brad the villain and alienate him. The kids need a father just as much as a mother.
I disagree. Brad seems immature wanting much younger women, drinking drugs. But he was married when Angelina got with him and that never works. No one should break up a marriage
A classic and unique most adorable family. Angelina a woman and mother of great loving charity heart with Bratt similar. What a blessed family and colorful wonderful.wisdom family. They just have the world in them and I just love them so much. From PNG
What I read about her is a total need for control. The anorexia, threats of suicide, ‘no friends anymore’, and love bombing are all very odd. The Brad Pitt situation was all very odd. She ‘stole’ BP and seemed to totally get off on the power of being mean to Jennifer A. Poor kids 😭😭😭
VIVIEN LOOKS AND LEON VERY SIMELARITY LIKE BRAD REALLY PITT .. AND ANGELINA WONT WANT THAT THIER CHILDREN TO CONTACT TO THIER FATHER CRAZY """ ANGELINA 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Why would you tell your child that his father was hesitant in adopting him, if this is true then l disagree with that, that’s just wrong, sounds like they took sides
Jolie admitted she had affairs,and Shiloh was the result. Jolie isthe one who broke up his marriage. Nothing new for Jolie. Her past says it all. Itwas confirmed that she had mental issues. She was a teenaged nightmare. Always in trouble…….taking. Drugs, sleeping with anybody, alcoholic, bully, abusive, etc. looks like her kids are now nepotism babies. Pax needs to grow up. Pax acts like her husband…..she treats him better than the other kids.
Hollywood is something but i give Angelina Jolie the Women Empowerment is all about with women of Color and White women its beautiful i know its tuff sometimes but when you see your kids as your friends its all fine.
I'm not American and I had sympathy for Angelina at first but she is just not moving on! It doesn`t stop with her and it is not normal. I have been 100 percent turned off of that family because of her. They look horrible and they`re weird.
She is a controller, using the children to punish their father turn the children against him she can take all the credit. They will be OK with her as long as she has complete control of them she can keep the children away from Brad. She is cruel what she is doing, what good mother would do this to the children or their father out of spite, control. Eventually it will come back bite her on the ass. She is evil, cruel. What ever happened with her Brad should of been kept between her Brad. The only reason it wasn't she used everything she could against Brad to turn his children against him, no confident, mature woman would do that if she wasn't weak, immature, would never stoop that low. She shouldn't be above the law.
Your perspective and concerns about the actions and behavior of Angelina Jolie are totally understandable. It does seem that there have been some troubling incidents and dynamics within the Jolie-Pitt family 🙁
@@OSSAchannel I think that Brad is suffering from the baggage she brought into the relationship that she didn't take care of before she married. She didn't have a relation ship with her father. She has had several relationships with men that haven't worked out. I think she is punishing the men in her life because of the misunderstanding she had with the relationships she had with her dad, they are innocent. She will screw up the minds of her daughters especially her sons because of her problems she hasn't taken care of. She would be a very difficult person to deal with. She would expect perfection.
@@ирен-ю1т I honestly feel sad that I can't understand your language. I give people credit that speak different languages besides English because they seem to have a special gene at being able to catch on I envy them. Thank you for replying.
Is this woman abusing these kids for good outlook. As far as the adopted ones I personally don't think he should bother. It's Minus one for him. And the biological will remember their father & will weigh things out as they grow will weigh things out. The worst will be when they start blaming the mother for bad influence.
Angelina is clearly a self absorbed narcissist. What a better way to hurt the father of your children by keeping the children away from him by making up false allegations
I'm so glad Brad was able to get out of his marriage with that evil, controlling manipulater & thank God she has not been able to poison their biological kids against him. But unfortunately, as long as she can control & manipulate the adopted kids, they unfortunately won't have a good relationship with Brad because she is also making him suffer because of the strained relationship that she had with her father where she kept the kids away from him for years because of whatever wrong she perceived that he did to her
Now that Brad Pitt is Clean and Sober…..Angelina should be encouraging the children to like their Dad…not drop his name…. I think it’s a case of….if you don’t always give me what I want ….. I will hurt you through the children. Just Saying!!!
The woman is sick; A child should never call their mom by first name - classic sign of Emotional incest. Kudos to family court - we have multiple generations of sick children.
wasnt angie pregnant with shiloh when she did an interview and said she would never be with a married man because of what her father did to her mother??? Yep- pretty sure that was her.
Yes. Maddona. Jolie and Mia Farrow. Although Ange projects her children better than Mia did. But she's always reminded me of Mia. The lack of discipline, moving virtually next door to Brad. Thank Goodness he moved.
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What impact do you think growing up in the spotlight has had on her children? 🤔🤔
I don't think growing up in the spotlight is going to have as big an impact on the children as their mother manipulation, control. They are going to grow up having an inner strength they will have no choice as their mother's expectations of them is going to be very high. She will have them molded, groomed early in life as to what she expects of them. Her not wanting them to spend time with their dad will effect the at an early age even more when they are teenagers on. Talking about her children as them being friends is insane. You are a mother, father, that is your role. I will admit you can be very close good communication love each other unconditionally you are their parent should be proud of it. If she thinks unloading adult information on children in order for her to think that makes for a good friendship she is wrong. Their father is their father she should show him respect by not bad mouthing him to their children. Mother being a mature adult in mind would talk to a friend, family member about problems never ever against their father to his children. I think if the children want to discuss the father listen to what they have to say be positive, encouraging for them to have a relationship, that is being an adult. The children will benefit from it. Fighting just to be a right fighter doesn't work in your favour in the long run.
@@mildredmorine745does Angelina bad mouth her ex? Who knows. We have to remember that we are mere spectators, and they are both multi millionaire actors with staff to protect both of their reputations. Anything on you tube, anything printed anywhere, anything online should be seriously taken with a grain of salt. No one except whomever lived in that house with them knows anything closely resembling the truth.
@@mildredmorine745Brilliant comment 🙌🙏🌹 I've experienced Gemini people..they are the most selfish of all signs... guarantee the children have been influenced manipulated by Jolie.. very sad 😔 every child needs their fathers love... feel sorry for Brad...
@@Teressa-yn4uh As far as I read she doesn't speak with her father and of course those children doesn't have any relation with their grandparents...only their selfish mother!
It's not manipulation. Leave Angelina alone. Pitt is a drunkard and Yu know what excessive drinking leads to. This guy had become a nuisance and mistreating his kids especially the adopted ones. And these kids were adopted by Angelina. Pitt didn't like these kids and always reminding them that they were adopted
You never know what's going on in someone else's home.
I feel sorry for Maddox & Pax. At least we had our rooms to run to when our father was drunk. But on a plane? Where can you go? You’re trapped. You can eventually forgive these things, but you can’t forget. You can stuff the memories down, but subconsciously this treatment will always affect you.
Yes it was considered emotional trauma for them.
I don't agree with drunkeness, but what exactly were the children doing? It has always been Angelina's children. Stop being a snowflake. They were in public thinking most likely they could continue to show Brad he was inferior to their mother as she trained them to think
She did a great job. Go St. Angie
The airplane Szene in court and not in gossip. A heated argument with Jolie. Brad had been drinking and shaking her shoulders. The 15 year old Maddox and Jolie's loyal dog pushed him to the ground and got one from Brad.
They are almost always surrounded by nannies, household helpers, chauffeurs and bodyguards. There is no evidence that Brad Pitt hit the children or her. But the servants spoke of heated arguments on both sides.
This is what alienation looks like.
I know one day this will change for them, it could take time. Children need their father too.
Yes I agree
Actually, children need a father who don't abuse them.
Exactly, but is not how this crazy woman thinks. A father or mother should never use a child against one another that is very LOW. She is just a horrible woman, and I don’t buy all the crap this pathetic woman feeds the media. very sad some of those kids playing along with her stupid games. It is great Brad is on his own and hope he finds a real woman soon.
You all are crazy. He is an abusive father so f that
Sadly I'm Not surprised that maddix and pax are not on good terms with brad
It is unfortunate when families face such difficulties in their relationships 😕😕
It really be people who dont know sad over kids who dont forgive their abuser???? Just because he might have changed doesnt mean they are supposed to firgive him.
Brad bitt abuser,acussasions,,who knows for real,,who cares ,,,😊😅 from the outside a lot accossasions... They all have a good live,,, what about people poor people sik people , children suffer. Do we really care about them no,ouer problem is about agelinas adopted children, how they feel...🎉🎉🎉😮if that is big problem,,,we don't give sheet..... Wake up people.
@@leiajiang7877 As someone said, If it was not for Brad and Jolie picking them, they may not have grown up into a Billionaire,s house hold, for that they should forgive the Parents, the pressure on both Parents must have been huge,while still filming and other people looking after the welfare of each child, but, still they have had and, still have a life most children would have dreamed of, many over spoilt children, can turn out to be nasty teenagers in many ways.
I saw a Documentary about the terrible damage Storm Sandy did, and, although the film was about the people trying to cope with it all, who do we see helping to seriously build the Houses from the Storm, Mr. Pitt, getting stuck into the filth and dirt left by Sandy, he waved to the Camera,s, but said he was too busy to talk,. Bless him, the lady producing this rather sad programme, said he arrived with tools around his waist and hammer at the ready, asking "Where do you need help the most, and, he offered to build as many places on the Beach and by the Beach for free !. I am sure Jolie has also given her Millions for free to help many Charities, bless them both, just so sad that their marriage did not work out, but, there you go, even those humans blessed with outstanding looks and intelligence ,don't always stay happy with each other.😮😢😮😢😮😢😮.
@@leiajiang7877 He hasn't changed and his victims aren't obligated to have a relationship with him
Listen Brad has gotten the help he needed to and yet people still bash him for what happened. He admitted he was wrong. Personally I never thought that they should have been together in the first place. And do we really know what happened in that Marriage ? I don’t think so,
It’s called Karma. They both paid the price for cheating on Jennifer Aniston.
Angelina is a narcissist and way too close to her children, especially Maddox and Pax. She has done that for control and power not love. Brad should be able to see them 1/2 time, at least. He’s the one that has done the work snd taken accountability. She is an abusive parent mentally and emotionally. She admits no wrong. The kids have not had a stable upbringing. She never let them stay in one place long enough to attend school, except for the youngest kids.
lol brad kept denying he was drunk on that private plane.. when he def was. he caused $25k worth of damages. pushed angelina and maddox. threw his beer at angelina. threw wine at 3 of the kids, no wonder the 3 youngest are frighten of him. it's a known fact that brad drinks alottt, i doubt this is the first time its happened, but prob the first its gotten this bad hence the divorce
@@iCynnie Hat er schon vor der Ehe getrunken und gekifft?
Dann wusste AJ mit wem sie sich einlässt. Dann ist sie schuld, dass sie Kindern so einen Vater "organisiert" hat.
Hat er erst während der Ehe mit dem Suchtproblemen begonnen?
Könnte es an AJ liegen?
@@SunnyfisI agree but Angelina did not cheat on Jennifer as they were not in a relationship .
The reason she keeps the children away from him is they may have been traumatized by his actions. It’s sad very sad that people go deaf, dumb and blind just because he’s an actor and actor is ready does, no, who is . Just because he’s a public figure doesn’t make him entitled to anything. Look at the example he setting for his kids( yes, he’s a grown man and he can do what he wants. & and he most certainly does. He’s a player and he said he has his little play me playing sugar, daddy what you can’t keep a woman within his age range if you’re that insecure.) People need to start holding celebrities accountable, not giving them a pass
It’s been over 7 years now. With all their resources and therapy and doctors, they aren’t yet healed to reconcile with their dad? Maybe it is the mom’s influence.
@@OliviaB84 because they don't wanna see him lmao
@@OliviaB84yes...she is not going to give him any slack..I saw that once she is done with some one, that's it.
although Angelina Jolie isn’t a Saint in this situation either, it’s pretty pathetic that people quick jump on brad’s side all because he went through therapy and got sober and better himself and he should automatically be forgiven. It’s a a two way street he got better for himself after his second marriage fell apart. if he really wanted relationship with his kids and Angie how come I don’t hear about him asking them for forgiveness or apologize for the trauma he put them through I mean it was reported that he asked his ex wife Jen for forgiveness and apologized. But guess what Jennifer wasn’t the one who had to put up with his substance abuse for 12 years
Takes me way back to that 1991 movie-film “The Prince of Tides” tells the story of a SC low county 50-60’s family; father a mean abusive alcoholic and this narcissistic mother, who demeans and she’s domineering; their four children in the home all were traumatized (suicidal) and carried into adulthood, struggles to overcome the psychological damage inflicted by a dysfunctional childhood life; based on 1986 book with same title. My hope is that the Jolie-Pitt children, both under age teens and young adult ones if not already done the counseling work, then it’s time for professional counseling, after doing the work, then get on with a productive healthy & happy life! 🙏🏼
I hate they didn’t make it. They were a beautiful couple with a beautiful family.
You just have to remember B.P. was the one who was drinking and being not nice to their Mom so it's natural the boy stood up to protect her even in reality probably was not strong enough to win. I give him a great credit for trying to protect his Mom it shows he got a good heart and love his Mom.
DID YOU SEE THAT!
She's grousing about an incident from 2016 that's been investigated and is over and done with. Or would be if she would move on. Brad sobered up and faced his addictions. Lots of us had parents and partners who weren't perfect but learned to forgive and let things go. When you have children together you have to teach them forgiveness as well. She has used those kids as a weapon.
Never underestimate the power of a woman scorned? You bet.
She wasn’t scorned - she left him.
@@aleanbh3808she was scorned. He was cheating and after the mess on the plane she turned her older kids against him.
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
I think this family just needs to pull it together. I am a Korean adopted into a white home. exceedingly abusive, but I learned to forgive what could be that bad. after all they chose you
Not an excuse to being abused just because they adopted you.
@@Ed-xw4uoThe Jolie-Pitt kids weren’t abused. Brad was a yeller and the all witnessed one huge fight between their parents none of that means they were abused
@yup_im_tiff it's called emotional abuse you idiot. Also, the report stated that Brad hit one kid and choked another. Also poured red wine on them. There's a reason why all 3 of his daughters dropped his last name and Pax made a Father's Day post last year calling Brad an awful human being.
The children will be 40 and Angelina will be suing Brad for Custody 😂
They may hold grudges AGAINST their mother for KEEPING THEM from their father! FACT.
LooooooooooL! LMAO Jackie
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
Angelina is a responsible mother and parent's to them.Salute to her.Proud of her.We love her.
I’m sure Pitt had his problems and may not have been the perfect Dad, but a good Mom teaches the kids to forgive and love unconditionally…NOT forget he’s their Dad! What a sad story. Certainly Pitt is a better man now.
You must know Brad Pitt personally for you to call him a better man now. Lol. Also, a good mom protects her kids from abuse. She filed for divorce the first (and hopefully last) time he started physically assulting the kids during the plane incident. People like you who defend confirmed abusers are sick in the head.
My god what a stupid comment to leave
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
it seems that angie is playing headgames w her children. She should have left Brad with his first wife, in my opinion.
Angelina makes every manner to pull the children away from Brad. She tends to favor the adopted ones more than the biological kids. Instead of mending the relationship, Angie pulls them away.
so at what point do you not allow kids to see an abusive parent? when it's too late?
Angelina and the kids moves 5 mins away from him so they can be close to Brad....and now Brad has sold his home and moves 5 hours away. Looks like Brad is the one pulling away
But the blame on mame boy... Always mothers are bad never dad's. Reading and watching too much of white patriarcal and women hating mainstream Media news I guess.
@@monikav9415good. I hope he never looks back.
Shiloh looks nothing like Ang, she looks exactly like Pitt.
Angie PR team really got her moneys worth
Definitely
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
What is sad is Jolene is using these kids as pawns. They should all kick her to the curb not Brad!
If they are ungrateful let them go free wherever they want to.
What I take from this is all the biological kids, the twins and Shilo have good relationships with Brad Pitt and the adopted children of color do not. the Asian kids have an estranged relationship with him and Zahara drooped his last name. Good for Zahara that she choose Spellman where she could finally come into her own as a black woman among other educated black women. You can see from the clip from her college how happy she is surrounded by women of color. And Maddox is studying in Korea an Asian country.
A great move for Zahara to attend Spelman and become immersed in black culture. Maddox didn’t finish school and is working as a producer on his mom’s current film from what I read.
That’s because Brad never wanted to adopt in the first place he did it because of Angelina so he probably won’t get credit for their accomplishment because evidently Angie was more committed in raising them than he was.
@@smusse091I think she used them against Brad.. where those are his kids too so lawfully he has equal say, the adopted kids arent n she prob filled their heads against him
@@BernadetteSunset well let the adopted kids who are adults now be the judge of that whither he was fully and wholeheartedly committed to raising them like Angelina was, from all the pics of Z as a baby that I saw she was always a happy and smiling child even as a infant but by the pictures Angie looks like she truly really enjoy being with Zahara than brad, Angie once said it was Zahara’s laugh that made her truly happy, from all the pics he always holding her so carelessly whereas Angie was always secure with her, idk he was probably abusive with older adopted boys but neglectful with Zahara, hence for the estrangement
@@BernadetteSunsetshe wanted them to be international kids. Brad likes closer to home staying around Hollywood...It was a big difference in how they saw the children
Messed up children full of rage for their father by Angelina !
These children must be allowed to grow
That came from her, kids don’t think like that on their own , she is Queen Bee
What Pitts did to their children and Jolie’s adopted children? Pitts knows himself.
Angelina really makes it difficult by keeping those children away from their father. She's only hurting the kids. I don't understand why her stability as a parent hasn't been questioned
Maybe he is abusive..Like his children (firsthand observers) say
I believe she is a nice good mom to her kids ❤
Her kids are better off with her imo.
Why peeople always questions moms instead of dads? We don't know what really happened during their married years. What we know is she was always there for her children and apparently Brad wasn't exactly a model as a father. She is an amazing person and I am sure she is an amazing mother as well.
Woman please! She’s doing them a favor, he only loves them in front of the camera. 🤡
Jolie always was talking how wonderful father Bred was ,now he’s not good?Please Jolie is not a good person!
He was drunk and drug iser, how good is that to SMALL children
So sad that they did not teach forgiveness
Forgive someone who hit and verbally abused and poured alcohol on the kids and their mother? People dont have to forgive someone who caused them emotional trauma. Do you tell all abuse victims to forgive their abusers?
Forgiveness is a good trait…but unfortunately Anjolina did not train them that way.
You can't change a cult leader who choose his activities over his children.
Me encantaría verlos también con su papá.♥️
Angelina should have never tried to turn the kids against their father. They should have left that between themselves. Angelina always cries if Brad is dating another woman. She is jealous. One incident is not enough to make someone a monster. He has been a good father. It doesn't matter if Angelina tries to make Brad out to be a bad husband. This hurts the kids. Shiloh is smart enough to know her daughter loves him. It is awful to pit these kids against their father. Dropping his name wouldn't seem like a good idea or trying to keep a relationship with him is terrible.
The name they now drop save those kids from starvation and hunger. Even if they re not in good time with him, they should still appreciate what his name did for them.
Are you guys saying that because a kid gets adopted that its OK for them to be abused??? They should just be grateful that they aren't living in a 3rd world country even if their adopted dad hits them and verbally abuses them?? You people are sick.
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
Who ever saying bad things about the Mom I think it's wrong because nobody lives with them 24/7 to know that and just speculating. Nobody knows the truth so just leave it alone and let them live their lifes without extra unnecessary bad comments.
Agree.Speculating so much of what's behind the scene of their lives and giving bad statements especially to Angelina is a big No-No!In the first place it takes two to make a tango.Why only Angelina and not brought along Brad?
What sort of mother turns around and tells her child that the father wasn't sure he wanted to adopt him..
One who is a manipulator and control freak that who Angelina is.
Only Angelina
It’s like what the hell was she thinking. I definitely feel she turned the older kids against Brad
lol it wasnt her. maxon wants to legally drop pitt from in last name and angelina told him she didnt want him to
@@iCynnie he feels that way because of things she’s told him and the other children.
Dragi moj svete setajuc ulicama filmova koji su deo Bredovih uloga od mladih godina pa do dans covek se pita sta je to u ovom glumcu? Jednostavno glumiti pozitivnilik ili nesto drugo to nemoze da se opise.milioni ljudi su njegovi fanovi sve so jeuradio je toliko dobro iskreno ne mogu vise da koomentarisem jer previse je
Sretno iBB neka te sreca i dalje prati mislim da si meponovljiv.bez reprize❤ ostajem tvoj fan definitno za uvek
Idk Angelina has been 100% about her kids since she first adopted Pax. Shes made sure they understood their culture helped them cultivate what ever they are passionate in. So if they are mom leaning I guess I understand it.
A loving mother encourages her kids to have a healthy relationship with their father, not use them as weapons to hurt the father. This woman always seems to have a very dark side.
so at what point do you not allow kids to see an abusive parent?
A loving father won't choose to be a cult leader over his children, dummy.
Seems a bit much to not sant him as your dad anymore after obe incidebt. What gappened to forgiveness, or working through issues? IDK seens weord
@@BernadetteSunset obviously we don't know why. they're very private celebrities
@@drnstjhnbrad was not abusive to the kids. They are ungrateful kids. Will they have survived if not for what Brad and Jolie didn't adopt them. Ungrateful kids
the 6 children are all cute , beautiful family
People saying Angelina turned the kids against Brad are so pathetic trust me those kids saw what type of a person Brad was when he was abusing their mother they can make their own thoughts about him
Many of them are trolls
Angelina has turned the children against
Brad.
Como poden sentir tanta rabia os nenos cando unha nai coida deles.♥️♥️
Shiloh has the perfect face blend of Brad & Angelina…
Unfortunatly not.
Those teeth...😬
Beautiful family ❤
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Fro me l think that's way she likes to make the children happy , because they what to live there life ❤❤
Angie is an angel, absolutely an amazing mom ❤
But we don't live with her either.
Angie has turned her children against their father
This is the mother’s divorce not the children’s. Lawd This is why Billy Bob ran.
Yes, Billy Bob already had kids of his own.
Billy Bob is a fine man
There are some mistakes that should never happen and never could forgive or forget! NEVER!
Really? Mistakes do happen though. That’s why they’re mistakes.If a father gets sober and tries to make things right, with time and therapy, he should never be forgiven? For a one time incident, by all accounts, that didn’t even warrant charges? By a mother who the whole time went on about what a great dad he was when they were together. Sexual abuse absolutely not but a one time drunken incident. The family can’t forget but I’d think could eventually come back from that and move one. But everyone is different.
U re so sick and don't need to be forgiven for what u just wrote.
He is an abuser, it's not a mistake
When did Angie start having a British accent?
My thoughts exactly
lol it was someone reading the quote
If ALL of your children have problem with you, the problem is YOU. Sad how Brad got away with the blame of the society for being drunk and violent towards his family!!!!
Your children are NOT supposed to be your best friends.
Why not?
@@laupao2595because you're their parent.
Seriously? Took Zahara to Ethiopia but did not let the kid meet her birth mother????? Who had to give up her daughter over poverty? Horrible
Spoiled brats all of them. Shame them for treating their dad that way
It must have been very tough for their whole family. Hope Angie and Brad can still reconcile❤
😐🙄🤦🏾♀️
I hope not, because Angelina is revenge! I do not need it! He's already lived his life, now let Brad live. Own children are interesting. What would Brad have to do with those adopted before marriage? Be glad you bought them in your name!
OMG. Brangelina is OVER! Thank God. Time for people to move on from it. They’re both better off without each other. It shouldn’t have been more than a fling anyway.
However you feel about the other parent you should support the relationship.
Angelina Jolie is the essence of parental alienation
Angelina Jolie is such a great mother to these kids that she adopted and how she learned as a white race that she didn't know that there is a lot to learn from her adopted kids who come from different races and cultures. She has a big heart and helps a lot of people who are poor and makes a big difference in people's lives all around the world. May God bless her and her children.
Stop painting him out to be the bad guy.She needs to grow up
You are a troll that Brad sent to attack Angelina, just like he did with Jennifer. He is an abuser. All the leaked information and FBI reports are on the internet. No matter how many people Brad sends to attack his victims, people know who he is
Angelina, should control her personal traumas to herself. It is an unfortunate behavior. Now, I question: did she went on on an adoption spree to boost her persona image? sympathy? No, no, no. Whatever Brad’s screw-up during the private plane flight, I tend to think she must have pushed him to it. Her acting hurts nit only her adopted children, but totally screwed up her natural daughter with Pitt. I used to think of her as a great woman. Now, an evil, selfish, unconciousnable female. I AM WITH YOU BRAD !!!
Why are people in Hollywood so unhappy?? Money doesn’t buy happiness
It's a complex issue, @precioustendo5167 ✨ 🤔 ✨ Some people in Hollywood find happiness and fulfillment, while others struggle. Just like in any other walk of life. 💫
Jolie is just beautiful overall
Not inside
Disgusting what this woman is doing to Brad.
If Angelina truly cared about her children’s well being she wouldn’t make Brad the villain and alienate him. The kids need a father just as much as a mother.
I love Brad Pitt and Angilinas Children esp. SHILOH & THE TWINS so amazing fam
Brad is more human than Angelina.
I disagree. Brad seems immature wanting much younger women, drinking drugs. But he was married when Angelina got with him and that never works. No one should break up a marriage
I like ❤
I love you Angelina but it seems like you have the adopted kids against brad. Not right !
A classic and unique most adorable family. Angelina a woman and mother of great loving charity heart with Bratt similar.
What a blessed family and colorful wonderful.wisdom family.
They just have the world in them and I just love them so much. From PNG
Good Everybody knows you're angelina's kids... She has full control full control
What I read about her is a total need for control. The anorexia, threats of suicide, ‘no friends anymore’, and love bombing are all very odd. The Brad Pitt situation was all very odd. She ‘stole’ BP and seemed to totally get off on the power of being mean to Jennifer A. Poor kids 😭😭😭
You're right, her behavior is definitely strange 🤔 Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 🤗🤗
АНДЖЕЛИНА е ПРЕКРАСНА ЖЕНА и МАЙКА......!!!!!!!!
Borderline personality disorder masked by her massive or efforts.
VIVIEN LOOKS AND LEON VERY SIMELARITY LIKE BRAD REALLY PITT .. AND ANGELINA WONT WANT THAT THIER CHILDREN TO CONTACT TO THIER FATHER CRAZY """ ANGELINA 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
animo jolie valesmucho como madre,eres admirable, un gran ser.
She is a cool good mother Luck to her!!!!
What decent mother USES her children that hurt the father? None
What decent father hits and verbally abuses the kids and their mother? None.
She is the greatest mom in Hollywood
Why would you tell your child that his father was hesitant in adopting him, if this is true then l disagree with that, that’s just wrong, sounds like they took sides
Who cares if they dropped the Pitt name. This means Jolie will have to support her tribe by herself. Actually good for Pitt.
Angelina was doing that anyway because Brad is an abusive drug and alcohol ridden has-been.
She's been doing that from beginning...
Jolie admitted she had affairs,and Shiloh was the result. Jolie isthe one who broke up his marriage. Nothing new for Jolie. Her past says it all. Itwas confirmed that she had mental issues. She was a teenaged nightmare. Always in trouble…….taking. Drugs, sleeping with anybody, alcoholic, bully, abusive, etc. looks like her kids are now nepotism babies. Pax needs to grow up. Pax acts like her husband…..she treats him better than the other kids.
Hollywood is something but i give Angelina Jolie the Women Empowerment is all about with women of Color and White women its beautiful i know its tuff sometimes but when you see your kids as your friends its all fine.
when did she get a British accent???
Angelina is crazy
Yup .. and there is always 2 sides of the story .
Maddox seems to have bad attitude. He is not polite.
Yes.
Is this an Angelina Jolie haters channel or something? We know Americans hate her but love pittt but it's opposite all around the world.
No. It the we can see the vicious divorce channel, and how people want to win at all costs channel.
I'm not American and I had sympathy for Angelina at first but she is just not moving on! It doesn`t stop with her and it is not normal. I have been 100 percent turned off of that family because of her. They look horrible and they`re weird.
I'm from New Zealand. I'm not a fan of Brad's . Liked 1 of his movies. I think Ange is a brilliant director. . But in this I'm team Brad.
@@nogoodwolfyes they are strange. Especially Maddox. Feel sorry for the other kids.
She is a controller, using the children to punish their father turn the children against him she can take all the credit. They will be OK with her as long as she has complete control of them she can keep the children away from Brad. She is cruel what she is doing, what good mother would do this to the children or their father out of spite, control. Eventually it will come back bite her on the ass. She is evil, cruel. What ever happened with her Brad should of been kept between her Brad. The only reason it wasn't she used everything she could against Brad to turn his children against him, no confident, mature woman would do that if she wasn't weak, immature, would never stoop that low. She shouldn't be above the law.
Your perspective and concerns about the actions and behavior of Angelina Jolie are totally understandable. It does seem that there have been some troubling incidents and dynamics within the Jolie-Pitt family 🙁
@@OSSAchannel I think that Brad is suffering from the baggage she brought into the relationship that she didn't take care of before she married. She didn't have a relation ship with her father. She has had several relationships with men that haven't worked out. I think she is punishing the men in her life because of the misunderstanding she had with the relationships she had with her dad, they are innocent. She will screw up the minds of her daughters especially her sons because of her problems she hasn't taken care of. She would be a very difficult person to deal with. She would expect perfection.
ПИЕШ , ДРУСАШ се , БИЕШ. , а ДЕЦАТА как се ЧУВСТВАТ , това е тяхната МАЙКА.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????
@@mildredmorine745Това не е ВАША работа....!!!!!!!!!
@@ирен-ю1т I honestly feel sad that I can't understand your language. I give people credit that speak different languages besides English because they seem to have a special gene at being able to catch on I envy them. Thank you for replying.
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Is this woman abusing these kids for good outlook. As far as the adopted ones I personally don't think he should bother. It's Minus one for him. And the biological will remember their father & will weigh things out as they grow will weigh things out. The worst will be when they start blaming the mother for bad influence.
She is a FREEK!
Wish zahara will be an icon and dnt lost her path on the way. Because nowadays we all know surrounding fks off!!! Often
Angelina is clearly a self absorbed narcissist. What a better way to hurt the father of your children by keeping the children away from him by making up false allegations
I'm so glad Brad was able to get out of his marriage with that evil, controlling manipulater & thank God she has not been able to poison their biological kids against him. But unfortunately, as long as she can control & manipulate the adopted kids, they unfortunately won't have a good relationship with Brad because she is also making him suffer because of the strained relationship that she had with her father where she kept the kids away from him for years because of whatever wrong she perceived that he did to her
Yes only she is responsible
They should have never been married in the first place
@@gwenmarie7311 brad wanted to get married Angelina didn’t according to Angelina herself
Now that Brad Pitt is Clean and Sober…..Angelina should be encouraging the children to like their Dad…not drop his name…. I think it’s a case of….if you don’t always give me what I want ….. I will hurt you through the children. Just Saying!!!
Doesn't matter if they don't want Brad. They not he's biological children
The woman is sick;
A child should never call their mom by first name - classic sign of Emotional incest.
Kudos to family court - we have multiple generations of sick children.
She's not sick! There are alot of kids that call there mother by there first name! Angelina isn't the first one!
wasnt angie pregnant with shiloh when she did an interview and said she would never be with a married man because of what her father did to her mother??? Yep- pretty sure that was her.
I don't think Jolie is a good mother for these children
Opposite, it s brad who isn’t good.
And you are😂😂😂
She gives then love ...support in their skills...international experience....more than most can do for their kids
@@suemitchel-runow3566I don't like her but yes she does.
Except 4 the biological children, the adoptive kids seem very spoiled & do whatever Angelina wants them to do & say.
Three bio and three adopted.
The bio children will follow the other children. It's inevitable.
Hate Brad Pitt he never deserved Angelina or those kids
Good persons
There is something fundamentally off w ppl who adopt internationally in my opinion.
Yes. Maddona. Jolie and Mia Farrow. Although Ange projects her children better than Mia did. But she's always reminded me of Mia. The lack of discipline, moving virtually next door to Brad. Thank Goodness he moved.
Pax seems mike criminal wild type
You’re sooooooo racist woman!!! God made us all & God is not boring he wouldn’t make everyone white smh 🤦♀️
Jolie is not even a real lastname.